Why The Shining Flopped at the Oscars
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2024
- Jack Nicholson and Stanley Kubrick at the time had more than a dozen Oscar nominations between them, and their 1980 masterpiece The Shining is considered by many one of the greatest horror movies ever made. So why wasn't this landmark film nominated at the Oscars? In this video, I explore why The Shining crashed and burned at the 53rd Academy Awards. #academyawards #oscars #theshining #horror #jacknicholson #stanleykubrick #shelleyduvall #oscarfiasco #horrormovies #horrorfilms #theawardscontender
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As a teenager and huge fan of the novel at the time of the movie's release, I held its departures from the original against it. It took me years to recognize and reconcile the differences between the different media and concede Mr. Kubrick's right to his own vision of Mr. King's story. It has since become among my favorite movies, and I, too, regularly revisit it.
I didn't see it upon release, as I wasn't allowed to go to R-rated movies yet, but I remember a lot of critiquing concerning what you mention (that it wasn't a faithful adaptation of the book). I was already following the Oscars every year, and it definitely wasn't considered a factor in that year's Academy Award race, even with the previous Oscar love shown to Kubrick and Nicholson Brian mentions.
I’m sorry while I understand how good the movie is, but it would’ve been so much better if it stayed more true to the book. It probably would’ve got nominated if it had…
@@brite1217I think its one of those instances where the book is brilliant and the movie is also brilliant despite differences
Great retrospective on a horror classic that's deservedly gotten more love over the years compared to 1980. I would think the Academy would be kinder to it compared to 1980 but then I remember how Hereditary got annoyingly snubbed in every category. I hope that's one of your next videos in the horror series. Thanks for another great video, I also can't wait for you to cover the domination of The Silence Of The Lambs in 1992.🎉
I don't even watch the Oscars. How did this become my favourite channel? Keep it up love your stuff.
My favourite film of all time. It still shocks me to think that Stanley Kubrick never won a best director Oscar. The academy don’t seem to rate horror at all, I think the Exorcist was only nominated because of a big studio campaign.
Neither did Hitchcock.
@@jamesinbaltimore5487 there’s a huge list but off the top of my head Kubrick, Hitchcock, Godard, Bergman, Tarkovsky, Hawks, Welles, Sturges, Bunuel etc. Yet they found a way to award Kevin Costner 😬a best director Oscar
@@TheNathanj2009 i wasn't aware of so many directors ignored by the Oscars.
Hitchcock along with Anthony Perkins as Norman Bates being left out shows how lame the Academy could be with their choices.
Federico Fellini, Sidney Lumet and Akira Kurasawa never won either. David Fincher and Quentin Tarantino are still waiting to win an Oscar for director. David Fincher was very close to winning for The Social Network but lost to Tom Hooper for The King’s Speech.
@@haintedhouse2990 Kubrick, Hitchcock, Bergman, Hawks, Welles, Sturges (both Preston and John) and Bunuel have all been nominated or have won Oscars in other categories. So, that's not really being "ignored by the Oscars".
The Here’s Johnny -line in the shinning was improvised .
Here's Johnny was so stupid
@@shannonb082905Whatever you say Shannon...
Brian I am so grateful for this video … Kubrick was almost always so far ahead of his time , another one of those greats who was doomed to be appreciated only once the world caught up, even by myself!! So funny as just today I was at Auvers-sur-Oise where Vincent van Gogh painted many of his most famous paintings and where he died , and I can’t help but compare the two men!! I blame my youth but I absolutely HATED The Shining when it came out, until I finally opened my eyes many years later and it became not only my favourite horror film but one of my all-time favourite films of any genre!!
Yes, I agree with you, Brian. "The Shining" was unfairly snubbed. Thanks again for your highly professional reviews. You're always polite even if you don't agree with a critic. You're the best reviewer online, I would say. Keep up the excellent work!
Salem's Lot was scary as hell. I had nightmares for months after seeing it. Exceptional TV series.
The Shining is definitely in my top 5 favorite horror films. There's so many layers and thought provoking details. And it's genuinely haunting.
i remember people not liking Jack Nicholson as Jack Torrance - thought he was too big of a star and his quirkiness made it hard to take him seriously as the heavy, but time has been kind to The Shining - works better today than on it's release.
All of the actors (at least the main four) deserved nominations, though I don’t know if they should’ve won. 1980 was a strong year in the acting categories (Raging Bill, The Elephant Man, and Ordinary People all having been that year).
A movie that aged better over time - now it’s considered a timeless masterpiece more memorable than any 1980 nominated film.
In Defense of Steven King authors don’t always like their film adaptations . Alice Walker didn’t like the Color Purple . She hated the choices that Steven Spielberg made.
I've seen The Shining now 3 times, and I still agree with the critics of that time. It's a perfectly fine movie, but not Kubrick's best, not Jack's best, and not Horror's best. I recently watched Psycho, The Exorcist, and Carrie all for the 1st time, and totally see why those were Oscar nominated. I also totally see why The Shining wasn't.
Then you're as much of a braindead moron as the average Oscar voter. What a feat. 🖕 #Ihyd
I respect King for being the only person to maintain his view on this film. Watching critics walk back their opinions to be more in line with the broader cultural hindsight is funny and very telling of the scam that is art criticism.
Least annoying child performance ever? Danny is genuinely so vulnerable it melts my cold heart.
Pleasantly surprised that one of the few accolades went to Scatman Crothers. He's such a warm presence in this film - very underrated.
My favorite horror film is 1968's underrated, THE NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD!!! Terror, suspense, diversity, the undead, taking majr risks--who could ask for anything more from a horror movie??? I just don't know why critics and people in general don't laud this movie more!
Love the videos, man. Keep it up!!!
Such an interesting video. I was 13 years old when this was released and saw it on opening day and returned to see it again the next day. I had read the book, which to this day remains the only book that ever truly terrified me, so much so that I had to close it and stop reading it late one night. The film terrified me too yet I bought the soundtrack album and when I played it, it was terrifying too. Well, it disturbed me.
I saw the film again throughout the summer - despite its wintry climate, it will always be a summer film to me - and I remember it played in 2nd run houses late into the year (even after the late summer release of DePalma’s Dressed To Kill). That was how I scored the large format Saul Bass poster which was like 2.5x the size of a regular one sheet and it was printed on premium card stock, the big yellow one (there was also one in red) - I got it from the cinema at the end of the run and I wish I still had it today.
Though I’d enjoyed films as a child throughout the ‘70s, a time when in the 6th grade other kids would tell me about A Clockwork Orange which their parent had somehow taken them to see or maybe they’d seen it on premium broadcast movie channel like ON TV, and a lot of us had already seen Saturday Night Fever, which back then and even now is considered a “hard R”, I think The Shining was really my introduction to auteur cinema and really cinema as an art form. I’d certainly enjoyed stories at the cinema but I don’t think I’d ever been so innately mesmerised by the formal composition of a film like Kubrick’s; the lighting, the monotonous dread of the pacing, the incredible framing, the horror of these people’s lives and the way they were depicted as kind of deluded, the domestic violence and addiction they suffered. There was a coolness and darkness of tone, and a daring, darkly comic portrayal of a very weak man at the centre of it, a vessel for evil, a terrible husband and a terrible father. Perhaps that was what was missed the most from King’s novel - any sympathy for Jack Torrance, who in print was a man possessed and in celluloid was arguably a man who sold out his family to gain favour with the Overlook.
I don’t think The Shining even made that many Top 10 lists that year and the few critics that did include it (I remember Jack Matthews was one) did so apologetically. When it was first released there was some chatter as to whether the Academy would nominate Nicholson, I think as part of a larger conversation about how to take his performance - was it a success or a failure? I think this was largely due to laughs he garnered in the ax-wielding scene. (“Here’s Johnny!”) People really didn’t know how to take it. For the most part, the performance was considered over the top and by the time the Oscars rolled around, he wasn’t even considered a contender. It became the “Ordinary People” Oscars, Redford the Golden Boy done good, and there was no room for The Shining, though John Hurt and David Lynch received nominations for The Elephant Man.
What’s changed about The Shining? Nothing really. To me, it’s still the same film it’s always been, “a masterpiece of modern horror” as touted on the poster. I think you nail it at the end of the video: time. Ironically, given the shifting nature of time at Kubrick’s Overlook Hotel, it’s really just time that has solidified the position of this singularly horrifying, affecting film. It was incredibly modern in 1980, when the preceding years had brought us Halloween and Alien which, along with King’s novel had possibly primed audiences’ expectations for Kubrick’s film. But the horror he located wasn’t behind a mask or in space, it was right there in our psyche. And in time, Kubrick’s film made audiences yield to its pleasures I think because, as you say in your video, it is such a unique film. While upon its release that was seen as a bad thing, over time it has earned its rightful reputation and is the very definition of a masterpiece, an indelible masterpiece of modern horror that even in the context of so-called “elevated horror,” stands apart from all the rest.
Forrest Gump also came out in the summer and managed to win best picture early the next year Brian
I’ve watched this movie more than a dozen times throughout my life. And even when you know what is going to happen in this movie, it’s still suspenseful, it’s still thrilling, and it’s still shocking. It is beautifully shot. It is perfectly acted. I will never understand how this movie didn’t get praise.
Great video, Brian. It’s truly one of the greatest horror films made. Easily stays in my top 5 horror films.
One nomination you mentioned could not happen. Even though it is one of the greatest uses of music of any film, it’s almost entirely music that was not originally written for this film (Ligeti, Penderecki, Bartok compositions).
It’s the same reason There Will Be Blood didn’t get a best score nomination (a travesty!).
Yes, it should have been nominated! It's an outstanding film on many levels.
I agree with you Brian, nothing beats TIME. And it has favor the shinning over the years as a masterpiece of a film. Which is why I feel Ebert as great as he is as a critic got it wrong and then try to backtrack so many years later. I just don't think the critics or the oscars were really for film like that at that time imo.
Okay so… there’s this little gem 💎 of a movie 🍿 titled, Darling. It’s black and white. Came out in the last 5-7 years, I think. That movie, imo, has a little bit of that The Shining vibe. I highly recommend it.
Just watched this for the first time a few days ago in theaters. Never been more scared but I was thoroughly impressed by the film. 5/5 all the way.
Also, I love that you used this beautiful clip of Sigourney ❤ 1:52
The opening helicopter shots are the only parts filmed outside england. The hotel interiors and exteriors are sets. The snow is fake. At the very least it should have been up for production design.
Incredible analysis! I have not seen EWS in many years but I hope to revisit it again after watching this video, and re-evaluate my opinion of the film. It’s funny you mentioned that the sexual content might have turned off voter and today opinions have changed, especially with Poor Things this year.
Not a fan of the movie, but the Redrum reveal still gives me the chills. The editing is amazing and the sound design flawless. And the axe scene with Scatman Crothers took me completely off-guard. Maybe I should revisit this movie soon.
I've never seen The Shining and after seeing the clips here, I can guarantee I never will. Not for me. But I enjoyed this video as I have all the others of yours I've seen.
glad you mention ordinary people (a great movie) and Timothy Hutton and his incredible performance. He was a teen and did a masterpiece. He should have won for lead instead of supporting. The other 3 actors were great, but he carried that movie
I love ❤ your content.
Still don't get the love for this movie. Saw it when it was first released and it just left myself and my friends cold. To us it was not even remotely scary and I found the film was overlit in too many scenes. Will try again someday to see why it has gained so many enthusiastic followers, but there are far, far better underappreciated horror films.
The Academy did Kubrick so dirty, the fact that his sole win was for the effects in 2001 (though that one was richly deserved). They should really honor him with a posthumous award.
I was a kid at the time and wasnt thinking in Oscar terms, but I caught the critical hate for the movie. That it didn't get any noms was never even commented on.
I bet it has a LOT more rewatches than the Oscar-nominated Best Picture/Director/etc winners.
(It would never have gotten a Best Score nom, too much tracked music.)
Shelly life was ruined by this movie and mr kubrick. I feel back for her
the shining was too good for the oscars and they knew it.
One of my top 10s. S-tier!
I think it's a mess. I'm mostly with Stephen King on the reasons why it's a mess. Story and characters mostly. But what Kubrick did with the Overlook itself is stunning and magical. It's a living, breathing monstrosity, one of the most incredible horror creations in cinema history. You already mentioned the cinematography and sound, but it's art direction where the movie takes classic status. I think only a handful of people realized the Overlook isn't a real place. I've talked to actual film professionals, people who should know better, who didn't realize the movie is filmed entirely on sets. So I do agree the movie was snubbed in the cinematography, art direction and sound categories. "The Shining" is more of a horror MOOD then a horror MOVIE, IMO.
Script-wise it is a bit frustrating. It seemed too obscure in its metaphors for viewers and critics. But time has revealed some of those metaphors and so people are able to watch it from perspectives beyond the surface narrative now. And of course there is the visuals and the moods they create. That was always going to make it a classic.
One of my all time favourite movies
My #2 of all time (The Exorcist is #1; The Thing #3) how mistaken could everyone have been? Ha!
It was a crime against humanity not a fiasco
Jack and Shelley both should have both been nominated, Shelley over Jack honestly to me, she's the backbone of the movie to me. It also should have been nominated for cinematography, sound, adapted screen play, and more.
I love The Shining and I love Kubrick. I'm glad this film is getting the recognition it deserves. Time is the best determinate of a great film. Oscars are about the films that year. On a side note, I showed the Shining to my teenage daughter. It didn't have the same effect on her that it had on me. I guess it's a generation thing. But she did like it, though but it didn't scare her like it scared me. I don't like horror films because most of them don't scare me, but Shining and Exorcist did.
Its not my go to come halloween time. I usually watch it in the winter because of the maze chase
And then Came a Sequal to the shinning called Doctor sleep
Jack Nicholson is amazing in it. Shame he wasn't nominated
I read the book, then saw the movie when it was released. I wasn't impressed with the movie. I'm still not. I didn't find it scary at all, just weird.
because It sucked. It's departure from the brilliance of the book was criminal. Kubrick took the horror of a normal family meltdown from occult forces and turned it into a weird family going psycho.
Having read the book and seen the film many times, I would argue that Kubrick's version does wonders for the screen. If you want to see what would happen if the book was adapted verbatum, look at King's attempt and see how they compare.
Yeah Simply Stephen king hated the movie cause it has nothing to do with the novel, and change the ending.
And then years later in 1998 King did a mini series that is faithful to the book and the one element was The jack Charecter.
Film bros and their obsession with this film. Yawn
I don't mean at all to be contrarian or what not, but I do not get the intense love for The Shining. If someone wants to help me here, please feel free. I mean, as much as I love Shelley Duvall, when Shelley Duvall is playing the most grounded, "normal" person in the entire movie...it seems almost campy.
That clip of young Stephen King is so scary. Why does he look like that
More proof that genius is only recognized in it's time when it is 1) accessible, and 2) exploitable. There's no way that Industry professionals *didn't* see what we all did in any of Kubrick's films, but only STRANGELOVE was topical enough to milk for posterity; everything else was above and beyond. They knew then that they couldn't match Kubrick's vision, and that competition was a lost cause. So they boxed & froze him out while paying public lip service to gaslight the audience into thinking the emperor had no clothes. This kept them at the top with Kubrick below enough to not threaten them.
Everybody loves geniuses when they're attractive and popular, and they can revel in and profit from their work (Albert Einstein, Pink Floyd, Ernest Hemingway, Wes Anderson, etc.). But as soon as a singular genius does something that can't be gamed because it changes the very game itself (Kubrick, Tolkien, Tesla, Coltrane, etc.), everybody gets scared, and refuses to acknowledge them (beyond academic courtesy) until they're dead...and then their work can be used by anyone and everyone for themselves without the pesky solon around to get in the way and remind them who they *aren't.*
Few things in cinema are as fascinating to me as the critical reassessment of The Shining. Half of the movie is brilliant, no doubt, and really scary. The other half is Jack Nicholson, who is just terrible. I saw this movie when it first came out, I was a kid, and even then, I thought he was just way too over the top. When he was on the floor telling Wendy about the terrible dream he had, that felt/feels totally forced. All the "Heeerree's Johnny!" crap took everybody out of the movie. How do I know? Bcuz the entire audience cracked up. And we all did again on, "Wendy. I'm home." Nicholson, being Nicholson, also seemed crazy right at the beginning of the movie. When they're driving in the car and Danny's asking him questions he already looks dangerous. Now, when he is coming up the stairs at Shelly Duvall and she's got the bat -- very scary moment. But for the most part, Nicholson's Jack Torrance is a hammy, silly caricature.
Still surprising Nicholson didn’t get nominated for Best Actor for this film.
I think like you said it was too much of everything. It was more than supernatural and scene after scene totally crazy. But it was a crime not nomination best actor and actress.
It's sacrilegious to say but I liked Doctor Sleep more than The Shining
Old Vintage clips always give me serial killer vibes, why?
I cringe every time I hear Roger Ebert's name mentioned. Worst Critic Ever. He HATED horror movies and only gave them low ratings and/or thumbs down, regardless of quality. Not just The Shining. All the following received 2 or fewer stars: Clive Barker's original Hellraiser (1987), Day of the Dead (1985), An American Werewolf in London (1981), and Army of Darkness (1992). I can't find what he gave the original Alien (1979), but like a lot of other films (including The Shining, as you mentioned), he went back and tweaked the rating so that his website now has it (and The Shining) at 4 stars. Horror-adjacent directors like Tim Burton didn't fare well either (e.g., Edward Scissorhands (1990), Beetlejuice (1988), Batman (1989)), the aforementioned Lynch (e.g., they both hated Lost Highway (1997) and Fire Walk With Me (1992), neither review of which is on Ebert's site, but Blue Velvet, Dune, and Elephant Man are, all of which are panned. Also Ebert said Lynch demeaned Diane Ladd by directing her performance in Wild At Heart... which went on to earn her a Best Supporting Actress nomination!), and he seemed to hate John Carpenter in particular: In the Mouth of Madness (1994), The Fog (1980), and Big Trouble in Little China (1986), and while Siskel liked The Thing (1982) and Escape from New York (1981), Ebert hated them. Yes, every one of these titles received 2 or fewer stars and/or thumbs down. (As far as I can tell, S&E never reviewed They Live (1988); Carpenter parodied the critics in that film as aliens, so I guess they recused themselves.) He could not, WOULD NOT get over his personal hangups to DO HIS JOB and objectively review films.
Wasn’t Shelley Duvall nominated for best supporting actress that year?
There are much more reasons for me and all negatives for Kubrick but only one I say the way he treated shelley Duvall
Stephen king(The writer of the book The shining)hate the movie and everything that Stanley kubrick did since the movie pulls out a lot of context from the book and many things that were important to Stephen king. Despite all that, the movie worked thanks to the fact that Stanley kubrick is a genius. Many Critics and member of the Academy were fans of Stephen king and they did not like these huge changes to the book either. The Razzies took advantage of the Critics and members the Academy low acceptance of The Shining and gave it two nominations. Nominating Stanley kubrick for Worst Director did seem stupid to me, nominating Shelley duvall for Worst Actress I just let it go. The only Oscar nomination I was asking for for The shining was for Jack nicholson.
The Shining, overall is a slow, slow burn.. I saw it in the theater, and fell asleep..waiting for the payoff after 2 hours.. should give it another shot someday..and I thought that Here’s Johnny, the movie’s most famous moment was corny..😅
Oh I so agree. Here's Johnny was so stupid.
@@shannonb082905 It got a few chuckles in the theater, so I think many agreed.. I remember cringing when I first heard it..
It's one of the most famous lines in movie history.
@@dylanthompson8511 Still corny and overdramatic..maybe because I've heard it parodied thousands of times over the years..
Masterpiece
No one remembers the film ordinary people. That was boring. Jack Nicholson should’ve won best actor best director best picture 😅
Kubrick made the movies for art reasons, not for awards !
The 1980 best picture lineup was in general pretty weak, the only nominee I’d have a problem with The Shining replacing would be Raging Bull. If it were up to me the best picture 5 would be those 2, Coal Miner’s Daughter, The Empire Strikes Back, and Airplane! So it’s pretty clear my opinions and the academy’s don’t line up much, at least regarding the 80’s.
Stephen King really needs to grow up and just take the loss. History has spoken, Kubrick’s vision won.
If you want to see Stephen King‘s vision, come to life, watch the 1997 miniseries.
Here's Johnny was the dumbest improv! I read where Steven King did not like it! The remake of The Shinning in 1997 was so much better. It followed the book
That miniseries is absolutely awful. The kid is terrible, the Overlook looks like a nursing home, the whole thing is just cheezy and dull.
I rarely watch the Oscars anyone because they ignore the movies that the public love in favor of “message” films that shove a cause down our throats. I don’t know how many films I’ve watched because they won Best Picture or Best performance etc, only to sit there afterwards shaking my head, wondering WTF? For instance, Moonlight. Or Everything Everywhere yada yada. That thing was just a mess. It wasn’t good. I’m sorry. Crash wasn’t that great. I could go on. In the end they just want us to feel bad about a group of people who they think we didn’t feel bad about already. OR, they give best picture to Shakespeare In Love instead of Saving Private Ryan, which was clearly the actual best picture. WTF Hollywood! The “Academy” has completely lost its mind. Sorry for the rant. I love your videos. It’s not you. And since the topic is The Shining, I agree with Stephen King. Kubrick f’d his book up. It’s too bad Rob Reiner didn’t do this one too. Or Frank Darabont.
The shining really isnt that good of a movie. Its not one of the greatest horror movies. It just a lot of credentials that allow it to get overhyoed. But shelley and jack are just unrealistic. You dont really feel then breaking down mentakly because there really isnt a feel of isolation. Its obvious that its just a haunted house movie that ppl overanaylze. Its shot well, thats it. The fact that it even gets put in the same sentence as the exorcist is insulting
The Shining is beautiful and BORING!
This got no nominations but that horrible movie Schindler's List got praise? No one cares about them Jews or that experience. The academy is racist
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