Riven is an absolute masterpiece of story telling, the new version looks to be even better (apart from the CGI characters which have never gone down well with fans).
The game looks amazing, I’m not fully sold on the cgi but will love to see what they have added. The cameos and extra bits in journals will be super interesting
@@cursedblake I do agree its still a bit of a weakness for the studio because full motion CGI is a hard thing to get "right", especially for a small studio like Cyan. So far, its better than the MYST Remake.
yay happy to see a new video from ya again Blake. I am really loving what cyan is doing on expanding the Riven we all grew up loving, on expanding the backstory with new puzzles and lore. Also the updated audio and visuals are looking amazing. i am hyped to hop back into Riven again soon. :)
Thanks so much, I’m glad I can be making video I really want again. I’m super excited about the remake cos I t means I probs will play the remake and the old game again! Which is super cool
@@cursedblake I'm so hoping that this Riven Expansion gets as popular as I hope it will. It will Motivate Rand to update Exile next. One can only hope. i'd be happy to support a Kickstarter if they ever wanna do that route again on a Exile expansion big time.
@@CreativeSteve69 I believe there is some rights issues they have to work out with Ubisoft first before proceeding on remaking Exile. I think most likely before we get that remake is anothe original IP from the studio before that comes out. There probably going to leapfrog the Myst Sequels over the brand new IPs in the pipeline going back and forth between each one.
I'm not the biggest fan of the cartoonish appearance of CGI Gehn, but I understand the limitations. Maybe at some point, they can use the more current machine learning models (like Sora) to take what they have of John Keston, clean it up, and create a close-enough photoreal facsimile. But admittedly, I should reserve judgment for experiencing the gameplay in context.
@@cursedblake Me too! I am excited to delve in regardless-especially considering the newer content. I can hardly wait to introduce this world to my nephews, who are approaching the age where they will be able to appreciate Myst.
The actor 'Charles Dance' would have been perfect for Gehn as a FMV performance, even his voice would work so well... Katran (Sheila Goold)? That would be difficult even though the voice was by Rengin Altay, so sad that Sheila passed away so young... Very difficult to replace her...
i don't see how FMV could be possible in a full 3d/VR environment. they would have to somehow record full 3d volumes of live actors. does that even exist yet? and if it does, is it production ready? and if it is, is it feasible for a scrappy indie studio to implement? if they recorded traditional footage, or used old footage, it would just be a flat video of a character in a 3d world. I just don't understand how people aren't realizing this and are mad/sad about lack of FMV
I think this why they went down the path of Motion capture for actors. However there are ways of working in fmv into 3d environments without it seeming disjointed. Most of the ways I have seen it done are similar to the way it was done in the myst remake when they put the old fmv back in the game. The way I have seen it done is it’s always a flat image, like in a linking / prison book or holoprojector. Admittedly it doesn’t look as coherent as it did in the old 2d worlds but I just like to have it for nostalgia
@@cursedblake for sure those cases work (sorta... picture CW in Obduction, the idea was good but the "footage on flat card" was a bit too apparent), but in riven all the characters are right there in the same space as you, so the only way it could work is if they lock the player in a very specific spot, film an actor, and if there's a camera move on the actor, that camera move would have to be matched with the game camera, and both cameras would have to have matching FOVs ideally. It would be a very restrictive and finnicky way to go, not to mention the unpleasantness experienced by the player of being locked in place or on rails whenever an NPC is on screen. I suppose if the live-action flat card NPC is sufficiently far away enough, you could get away with it. In my view there are just too many pitfalls of trying to make that work, and it would be a huge undertaking to try to make FMV work with he old footage (if they even have it) for just a secondary nostalgic option. I'm not pointing this at you, but soooo many commenters are like pissed at Cyan for "ruining the game with cg characters" when if you think about it, it's the only logical way forward. I think the model and animation of Gehn is actually quite good when you compare it to other games, and I think it will look almost real once raytracing comes into the picture (hopefully it does). Check out the overdrive raytracing in cyberpunk 2077. The lighting/shadows/reflections make all the character models look 10x as real as without raytracing. Also, The nice thing about the characters in Riven is they will probably be completely mocapped and I don't think there will ever have to be awkward transitions between different animations, so that should also help with groundedness and suspension of disbelief. Thanks for bringing attention to the game, I really hope it gets a lot of love to fund Cyan's next one!!!
I actually think the remakes is a good opportunity to work on improving full motion CGI through better techniques through each remake of the sequels of MYST, eventually hopefully by the third game, they hopefully will nail down the natural feel of the characters through the acted scenes. So far in the trailers they do look better than in the MYST remake, but when I played the Demo, they did still feel like the performances were a little awkward still. At this point, even with the MYST remake and in Riven, they hands down already nailed down the environments.
Awesome reaction! Looking forward to more Riven videos from you. I remade the trailer using original Riven footage: ua-cam.com/video/o6tY0HTn42k/v-deo.htmlsi=i9Vg7Q_LjgsDtYR6
Gehn is watching you, waiting for you to make him a steak.
:O
I will never un hear this
a huge missed steak
Riven is an absolute masterpiece of story telling, the new version looks to be even better (apart from the CGI characters which have never gone down well with fans).
The game looks amazing, I’m not fully sold on the cgi but will love to see what they have added. The cameos and extra bits in journals will be super interesting
@@cursedblake I do agree its still a bit of a weakness for the studio because full motion CGI is a hard thing to get "right", especially for a small studio like Cyan. So far, its better than the MYST Remake.
yay happy to see a new video from ya again Blake. I am really loving what cyan is doing on expanding the Riven we all grew up loving, on expanding the backstory with new puzzles and lore. Also the updated audio and visuals are looking amazing. i am hyped to hop back into Riven again soon. :)
Thanks so much, I’m glad I can be making video I really want again. I’m super excited about the remake cos I t means I probs will play the remake and the old game again! Which is super cool
@@cursedblake I'm so hoping that this Riven Expansion gets as popular as I hope it will. It will Motivate Rand to update Exile next. One can only hope. i'd be happy to support a Kickstarter if they ever wanna do that route again on a Exile expansion big time.
@@CreativeSteve69 I believe there is some rights issues they have to work out with Ubisoft first before proceeding on remaking Exile. I think most likely before we get that remake is anothe original IP from the studio before that comes out. There probably going to leapfrog the Myst Sequels over the brand new IPs in the pipeline going back and forth between each one.
I'm not the biggest fan of the cartoonish appearance of CGI Gehn, but I understand the limitations. Maybe at some point, they can use the more current machine learning models (like Sora) to take what they have of John Keston, clean it up, and create a close-enough photoreal facsimile. But admittedly, I should reserve judgment for experiencing the gameplay in context.
I recommend using reshade with this game. You can add more detail to everything that way
I’m interested to see how it works out. I’m cautiously optimistic for it
@@cursedblake Me too! I am excited to delve in regardless-especially considering the newer content. I can hardly wait to introduce this world to my nephews, who are approaching the age where they will be able to appreciate Myst.
The actor 'Charles Dance' would have been perfect for Gehn as a FMV performance, even his voice would work so well... Katran (Sheila Goold)? That would be difficult even though the voice was by Rengin Altay, so sad that Sheila passed away so young... Very difficult to replace her...
Charles dance would be a perfect replacement if they wanted to do the fmv again
Love the Myst content
Thanks! More coming soon
i don't see how FMV could be possible in a full 3d/VR environment. they would have to somehow record full 3d volumes of live actors. does that even exist yet? and if it does, is it production ready? and if it is, is it feasible for a scrappy indie studio to implement? if they recorded traditional footage, or used old footage, it would just be a flat video of a character in a 3d world.
I just don't understand how people aren't realizing this and are mad/sad about lack of FMV
I think this why they went down the path of Motion capture for actors. However there are ways of working in fmv into 3d environments without it seeming disjointed. Most of the ways I have seen it done are similar to the way it was done in the myst remake when they put the old fmv back in the game. The way I have seen it done is it’s always a flat image, like in a linking / prison book or holoprojector. Admittedly it doesn’t look as coherent as it did in the old 2d worlds but I just like to have it for nostalgia
@@cursedblake for sure those cases work (sorta... picture CW in Obduction, the idea was good but the "footage on flat card" was a bit too apparent), but in riven all the characters are right there in the same space as you, so the only way it could work is if they lock the player in a very specific spot, film an actor, and if there's a camera move on the actor, that camera move would have to be matched with the game camera, and both cameras would have to have matching FOVs ideally. It would be a very restrictive and finnicky way to go, not to mention the unpleasantness experienced by the player of being locked in place or on rails whenever an NPC is on screen. I suppose if the live-action flat card NPC is sufficiently far away enough, you could get away with it.
In my view there are just too many pitfalls of trying to make that work, and it would be a huge undertaking to try to make FMV work with he old footage (if they even have it) for just a secondary nostalgic option.
I'm not pointing this at you, but soooo many commenters are like pissed at Cyan for "ruining the game with cg characters" when if you think about it, it's the only logical way forward.
I think the model and animation of Gehn is actually quite good when you compare it to other games, and I think it will look almost real once raytracing comes into the picture (hopefully it does). Check out the overdrive raytracing in cyberpunk 2077. The lighting/shadows/reflections make all the character models look 10x as real as without raytracing. Also, The nice thing about the characters in Riven is they will probably be completely mocapped and I don't think there will ever have to be awkward transitions between different animations, so that should also help with groundedness and suspension of disbelief.
Thanks for bringing attention to the game, I really hope it gets a lot of love to fund Cyan's next one!!!
I actually think the remakes is a good opportunity to work on improving full motion CGI through better techniques through each remake of the sequels of MYST, eventually hopefully by the third game, they hopefully will nail down the natural feel of the characters through the acted scenes. So far in the trailers they do look better than in the MYST remake, but when I played the Demo, they did still feel like the performances were a little awkward still. At this point, even with the MYST remake and in Riven, they hands down already nailed down the environments.
Looks awesomeee
Im super excited!
Did you know they just released a demo as well?
Oh damn I didn’t know! I should check it out asap!
Awesome reaction! Looking forward to more Riven videos from you. I remade the trailer using original Riven footage: ua-cam.com/video/o6tY0HTn42k/v-deo.htmlsi=i9Vg7Q_LjgsDtYR6
oh thats awesome, i might have react to this video next time if you are cool with that! Thanks for the comment im glad you have enjoyed it!
@@cursedblake Absolutely! I'd be honoured. Also love to see you're a Gundam fan too by the looks of it.
@@fuzzyjuzzy yeah I’m a massive gundam fan, and very lazy at gunpla😅 that gundam box has been in my pile of shame for too long😅😅😅.
@@cursedblake You're not a Gunpla fan unless you have a backlog!