Hello I'm looking to get into the pigeon breeding world this spring. I'm new to it so i will be learning as I go. Im doing a lot of reading and studying. I am wandering what breeds do you recommend for beginners like myself? Also how many birds should i start with and how big do you think the coop should be? Thanks..
Yo amazing work with your birds im very impressed an am determined 2train my russians like that thanks 4inspiring me an keep posting your vids they the holy grail of great pigeon trainning
Hello Danny, The majority are NYC Flying Flights, the whites with crests, but there are four or five small plain headed Figuritas and Hungarians mixed in.
@@jase123111 most people that train their birds to fly feed them once a day, as soon as they stop eating take it away. They are eager to return home if they are hungry. I feed them around 4:00 pm
Hello dogan, Lots of Europeans fly their Dewlaps "portable". Here's a link to my Wutas and Doneks field flying to a Portable pigeon crate. Doneks and Greek Nose Divers (Wutas)
ive tried it on my old birds and they dint go into the portable box. ive wistled and threw food from the hole. i havent even feed them they were hungry. i might leave them hungry for 2 days and try ?
Mert Sahbaz Try putting some sort of feed tray on top of the box first, get them feeding on top of the box, once they are comfortable feeding on top of the box from the tray, put less food in the tray and more in the box, when they finish the food in the tray, they should drop into the box. Be patient with them and they should learn it in a week.
Hello Jason, I've flown Fireball Rollers, BR's, Oriental Rollers, and Iraqi tumblers to the portable. The only advise I'd give would be; Fly close to "Sunset" if your Rollers fly high, or you could be waiting a long time for them to come down, have fun! Robert
They are conditioned through repetition, fed and flown at the same time. I have birds, that are fat as pumpkins, that rush to load into the box, because they are "CONDITIONED", to do that. Like humans are conditioned to believe they need 3 meals a day, when the sun rises, where's my "Coffee", 12:00noon where's my lunch? etc. I feel a little bad that I've "conditioned " them in a similar manner that the "Powers that be" have conditioned the human race to be addicted to "Technology" and material goods. Who would pay $800.00 for a Phone? an conditioned addict! Do they like paying that phone bill every month? NO, but they jump into the box just like pigeons, lol.
Hey Robert sorry to bother you again,this is Danny,just wanted to ask you what you think of NYC flying flights as far as flying performance,loft flying.do they stay close to the loft?are they athletic in the air?
Danny, You are no bother. Here's a video which shows the same NYC Flights athletic abilities as well as stamina and smarts. First they're flying in 50 mph winds, attacked by a Peregrine, drift 1 mile downwind to a different bluff, then obedient enough to battle their way back, WOW! When I've flown them from home they are usually in sight but will range/route some. NYC Flying Flights Field Flying from top of bluffs in 50+ mph winds The real athletes are the Vieshian's; VIESHIAN BLACKS / Typical day flying in light winds
Hi Robert, I have been flying rollers for a while, my rollers don't trap well into the portable loft. Any idea where I may be able to find some good quality birds like the ones you had? I'm in southrern California. Thank you for your time!
Hello Jason, Yes, if trained as young birds, but you would have to fly them from a different location ever time, so they wouldn't become wedded to any one location, and you could never fly them from a "Home Loft", or else every time you flew Portable they'd just head home. In WWI the "Pigeon Corps" would haul a portable loft/wagon to a location, train the young birds, soldiers would take them across enemy lines, and the birds would return to the wagon/loft parked on a hill top, with only one week of training! There was also a system I believe in N. Africa, where the "Pigeon Corps" trained Homers, to roost in one loft (A) at night, fly 100 miles in the morning to another loft (B) to feed and water, then fly back to loft (A) to roost for the night, to cool! Also some great pigeon history, is the pigeon lofts on old clipper ships, where the homers would be released when the ship was still two days out of port, to inform the port as to what goods they had procured, and how many mates would be required at docking. Pigeons are amazing!
+Arbaz Shah Yes, "BUT" you'd either have to fly from the same exact location all the time, or change to a different location "every" time, and you could never fly them from a home loft. I've flown pigeons from the exact same spot in a parking lot for 2 weeks in a row, the next time I flew there, someone parked in my space. The pigeons went to that space instead of my truck, and landed on a very nice "Sports" car, not good.
Hey I was wondering if you ever have a problem with young babies getting these huge lumps right by their anus which start to bleed? I have just been treating them with neosporin which seems to work a little. But do you have any idea how i can stop them from getting them. I even had one get it right next to its eye. It is kinda sad. And i feel like a bad owner because the babies keep getting them.
Hello Nathan, Sounds like parasites, probably pigeon fly "maggots". Find a local Pet Store, that carries lice/mite/internal worm "drops", you place 2 or 3 drops on the skin, on the back of the pigeons neck, kills all internal and external parasites. Hope this helps.
Roberts5l Thank you I have been searching for some at the pet store and feed store but no luck. ill just order some. I was thinking it had something to do with poop being stuck on them or something like that, but that makes a lot more sense. thanks again I appreciate it. Oh and if you get them time do you think you could get a video of your loft set up. On more thing :) how did you come about tamming that Egyptian swift?
Well, don't stop there, tell us specifically what the cruelty is you are complaining about. There's always some holier-than-thou-I'm-the-only-person-who-knows-how-to-treat-animals-right. Like the people who reported the chicken show for abuse because the Turkens didn't have any feathers on their necks.
Hello Lap Hong, If I'm flying Portable; Basically wheat, milo and Austrian peas. Loft flying; Wheat, milo, Austrian peas, Canadian peas, millet, safflower, buckwheat and hemp. Wheat is the highest at 50%, hemp the lowest 5%. I also use barley; If they leave the barley they're to chubby, if they eat all of it, they're to thin.
Hello 680ecks, I've trained a lot of older pigeons to the Portable, to find out their level of performance, intelligence,shyness, etc., before wasting my time breeding them. They're not as stable as young birds, but they can be trained Portable with out much more trouble. I believe if I'm going to get the best out of a pigeon, it needs to learn what I expect of it at a young age.
Hey! I love your videos is there any way you could do a loft update. Even if it’s just letting the birds graze. I can’t have pigeons again until I get out of school, 4 years .... hhhh... I don’t know why but I’ve probably watched this video 5 times now.
Hello Jim, I only feed corn during the colder winter months, mid December, January and February, when the temperatures drop below 10 or 15 degrees F. Corn has the highest caloric value of all the grain, my pigeons wouldn't look at it, unless it's cold. I only feed popcorn. More videos coming this Winter.
Great Video Robert. I was curious abt how the portable training works but this video really helped. U definitely have trained them well.Keep up the good work.Cant thank you enough.
Do they live in the portable box all thr time ? Is it really hard to train them to fly from portable ? I got two baby pigeons im going to try and fly them from portable
Hello Mert, They only go into the portable for their meals, not as a loft, as it is to small. Easy to train to portable, put the portable "box" in the loft with food, that's the only place they eat. Good luck with your babies
I know it would be kinda a pain but if you train some young ones if you could vid it all that would be great. It would give a timeline . Can you train older birds have you tried ? Like all your videos ,love watching them fly thank you
Hello Will, If a Cooper's hawk comes in and busts up the flock early in training, it might cause difficulty rounding them up, otherwise losses are rare if trained properly.
Wow this is amazing 🧐😳, I can’t believe my eyes but I get it now !!!! God bless you and you are good to your birds , keep training and keep them flying ! , Middletown, Delaware 🇺🇸
Hi Robert, I am not sure if you are active over here....anyway, is there anyway to have some help from you while chossing pigeon breeds to start off a free flying like yours? Do you have a e-mail or any other media to get in contact? thank you!
Thank you much Robert for the info,and yeah those blacks are something else,like you said WOW!!!! ¿Do you know where I can look to get some nyc flying flights,somebody that can do shipping?
Hello Danny, I would try Dan Capps at bxunderdogoptonline.net He knows all the people with quality "Flying" NYC Flights. He got me started with the best flying NYC Baldies I ever had.
Hey Robert God bless.how do you deal with Falcons or any bird of prey.is there a time a year you fly more or less depending on falcon migration or something like that.i have rollers and yesterday a falcon killed my best hen.i flew in the summertime and had no problem,but tempetures went up hear in rock creek Ohio for a couple days and I let the birds out and this happend.any advice on how to deal with birds of pray attacking my flock.i know that they will always be around but is there a time of year that's better to fly?
Hello Danny, Sorry you lost your best hen, it can be frustrating when raptors hit your kit. Cooper's hawks are the toughest on captive pigeons, where I live they show up about October (Immature birds), most migrate South by January, including adults. I've had to "Lock-down" my Galati Rollers. If your "positive" it was a falcon, it would have been a Peregrine or Merlin, on migration and unlikely to hang around for future meals. Falcons like to take their prey in the sky. If it was a Cooper's hawk, which take their prey at "Treetop" level or lower, they may hang around the "Restaurant" if the pickings are good, until a hard cold front pushes them South. If it was a falcon (high speed dive) high in the air, I would continue flying the kit, and assume it left the area. If it was a Cooper's hawk, I'd "Lock-down" the kit for a few days, and be aware of the local wildbird activities, look carefully through the tree limbs for hawk silhouettes. The months of the year that "I" fly without raptor attacks are January until late September, I'd think it would be similar at your longitude.
+George Bush All breeds can be trained this way, the longer and the higher a breed flies, the longer you'll have to wait for them to come down. Here are to videos for an example of breeds that might make you wait for them, of course "Droppers" will really help get them down sooner. ua-cam.com/video/JLOxcqcc7k8/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/E-Bl9uXS2lg/v-deo.html
Roberts5l I have watched this video before but it still amazes me how active and how disciplined your birds are GREAT JOB!! Im starting to breed Birmingham rollers and i have a few videos posted if you wouldnt mind check them out and tell me what you think. Thank you
I've watched this video several times and never cease to wonder at the patience needed to train these birds, and how quickly they react
What breed are the white pigeons
Amazing the way they pretty much load themselves I see that the feed plays a major part of training such a great idea keep the helpful videos 👍🏼
This Will Help Me so Much with my Dove Release Business! Thanks Rob!
Me too! Thanks So much
Thank you for sharing. I have 67 trips around the sun. It is nice to still learn a trick or two.
This is the very best video !!! Respect from Serbia
Very beautiful pigeons
Hello I'm looking to get into the pigeon breeding world this spring. I'm new to it so i will be learning as I go. Im doing a lot of reading and studying. I am wandering what breeds do you recommend for beginners like myself? Also how many birds should i start with and how big do you think the coop should be? Thanks..
Yo amazing work with your birds im very impressed an am determined 2train my russians like that thanks 4inspiring me an keep posting your vids they the holy grail of great pigeon trainning
Great video. Wow your birds are well trained.
OMG this is awesome! Thank you for showing and sharing!
you are my new hero
That’s spot on mate! 👍🏼💯
Very very very nice video nice pigeon nice bakat very nice
Well done.
Ok I'll look him up thanks Robert,god bless!!
That is amassing grate work
Hello Danny,
The majority are NYC Flying Flights, the whites with crests, but there are four or five small plain headed Figuritas and Hungarians mixed in.
how did you manage to get them to go for the food? my pigeons never have that kind of motivation to eat. Do you skip a meal so that they be hungry?
I want to know this too... I worry if I cut the feed down they will be starving. I know I feed too much now.. they are fat and lazy!
all they want is food.......yes give them food for 15 minutes two times a day for a week
....and they will start to trust you .... and food is the key
@@jase123111 most people that train their birds to fly feed them once a day, as soon as they stop eating take it away. They are eager to return home if they are hungry. I feed them around 4:00 pm
Hey mate awesome video. I'm hoping to train my Adana dewlaps using this method
Clean work
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Thank you for the fast reply. I also have adult adana dewlaps can i train them ? Thry are trained to fly from my loft at home
Hello dogan,
Lots of Europeans fly their Dewlaps "portable". Here's a link to my Wutas and Doneks field flying to a Portable pigeon crate.
Doneks and Greek Nose Divers (Wutas)
How do you teach old birds ? Can i teach my old dewlaps ? 6-7 month old
Train the old birds same as young birds in the video.
ive tried it on my old birds and they dint go into the portable box. ive wistled and threw food from the hole. i havent even feed them they were hungry. i might leave them hungry for 2 days and try ?
Mert Sahbaz
Try putting some sort of feed tray on top of the box first, get them feeding on top of the box, once they are comfortable feeding on top of the box from the tray, put less food in the tray and more in the box, when they finish the food in the tray, they should drop into the box.
Be patient with them and they should learn it in a week.
How many times do you feed your bird per day ?. What kind of food do you feed them ?. Thanks
What size are your lofts
Robert51
Can you please do a video on how you build your portable.
Very nice mate. Do u think I could do that sort of training with my rollers tar mate
Hello Jason,
I've flown Fireball Rollers, BR's, Oriental Rollers, and Iraqi tumblers to the portable.
The only advise I'd give would be; Fly close to "Sunset" if your Rollers fly high, or you could be waiting a long time for them to come down, have fun!
Robert
Thanks mate ill give it a go : )
Also why don't you use corn in your mix. Cheers. Hope you do more videos of your birds! :)
How many times you feed them and what is the food that your using ??
Awesome... pigeons
how hungry are the birds as they seem to be very very hungry
They are conditioned through repetition, fed and flown at the same time.
I have birds, that are fat as pumpkins, that rush to load into the box, because they are "CONDITIONED", to do that.
Like humans are conditioned to believe they need 3 meals a day, when the sun rises, where's my "Coffee", 12:00noon where's my lunch? etc.
I feel a little bad that I've "conditioned " them in a similar manner that the
"Powers that be" have conditioned the human race to be addicted to "Technology" and material goods.
Who would pay $800.00 for a Phone? an conditioned addict!
Do they like paying that phone bill every month? NO, but they jump into the box just like pigeons, lol.
Hey Robert sorry to bother you again,this is Danny,just wanted to ask you what you think of NYC flying flights as far as flying performance,loft flying.do they stay close to the loft?are they athletic in the air?
Danny,
You are no bother.
Here's a video which shows the same NYC Flights athletic abilities as well as stamina and smarts. First they're flying in 50 mph winds, attacked by a Peregrine, drift 1 mile downwind to a different bluff, then obedient enough to battle their way back, WOW! When I've flown them from home they are usually in sight but will range/route some. NYC Flying Flights Field Flying from top of bluffs in 50+ mph winds
The real athletes are the Vieshian's; VIESHIAN BLACKS / Typical day flying in light winds
Hi Robert, I have been flying rollers for a while, my rollers don't trap well into the portable loft. Any idea where I may be able to find some good quality birds like the ones you had? I'm in southrern California. Thank you for your time!
Fernando Ruelas There are plenty of Rollers fanciers in California. Do a search on UA-cam.
Love the vid mate wood this work with racing homers
Hello Jason,
Yes, if trained as young birds, but you would have to fly them from a different location ever time, so they wouldn't become wedded to any one location, and you could never fly them from a "Home Loft", or else every time you flew Portable they'd just head home.
In WWI the "Pigeon Corps" would haul a portable loft/wagon to a location, train the young birds, soldiers would take them across enemy lines, and the birds would return to the wagon/loft parked on a hill top, with only one week of training!
There was also a system I believe in N. Africa, where the "Pigeon Corps" trained Homers, to roost in one loft (A) at night, fly 100 miles in the morning to another loft (B) to feed and water, then fly back to loft (A) to roost for the night, to cool!
Also some great pigeon history, is the pigeon lofts on old clipper ships, where the homers would be released when the ship was still two days out of port, to inform the port as to what goods they had procured, and how many mates would be required at docking.
Pigeons are amazing!
will it work with two racing pigeon
+Arbaz Shah
Yes,
"BUT" you'd either have to fly from the same exact location all the time, or change to a different location "every" time, and you could never fly them from a home loft.
I've flown pigeons from the exact same spot in a parking lot for 2 weeks in a row, the next time I flew there, someone parked in my space.
The pigeons went to that space instead of my truck, and landed on a very nice "Sports" car, not good.
I feed twice a day.
z tydzien nie jadly. Wielka mi sztuka - glodem mozyc...
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Hey I was wondering if you ever have a problem with young babies getting these huge lumps right by their anus which start to bleed? I have just been treating them with neosporin which seems to work a little. But do you have any idea how i can stop them from getting them. I even had one get it right next to its eye. It is kinda sad. And i feel like a bad owner because the babies keep getting them.
Hello Nathan,
Sounds like parasites, probably pigeon fly "maggots".
Find a local Pet Store, that carries lice/mite/internal worm "drops", you place 2 or 3 drops on the skin, on the back of the pigeons neck, kills all internal and external parasites.
Hope this helps.
Roberts5l
Thank you I have been searching for some at the pet store and feed store but no luck. ill just order some. I was thinking it had something to do with poop being stuck on them or something like that, but that makes a lot more sense. thanks again I appreciate it. Oh and if you get them time do you think you could get a video of your loft set up. On more thing :) how did you come about tamming that Egyptian swift?
REPORTED FOR ANIMAL CRUELTY.
Well, don't stop there, tell us specifically what the cruelty is you are complaining about. There's always some holier-than-thou-I'm-the-only-person-who-knows-how-to-treat-animals-right. Like the people who reported the chicken show for abuse because the Turkens didn't have any feathers on their necks.
Hello Lap Hong,
If I'm flying Portable; Basically wheat, milo and Austrian peas.
Loft flying; Wheat, milo, Austrian peas, Canadian peas, millet, safflower, buckwheat and hemp. Wheat is the highest at 50%, hemp the lowest 5%.
I also use barley; If they leave the barley they're to chubby, if they eat all of it, they're to thin.
Hello 680ecks,
I've trained a lot of older pigeons to the Portable, to find out their level of performance, intelligence,shyness, etc., before wasting my time breeding them. They're not as stable as young birds, but they can be trained Portable with out much more trouble.
I believe if I'm going to get the best out of a pigeon, it needs to learn what I expect of it at a young age.
Hey! I love your videos is there any way you could do a loft update. Even if it’s just letting the birds graze. I can’t have pigeons again until I get out of school, 4 years .... hhhh... I don’t know why but I’ve probably watched this video 5 times now.
Hello Jim,
I only feed corn during the colder winter months, mid December, January and February, when the temperatures drop below 10 or 15 degrees F.
Corn has the highest caloric value of all the grain, my pigeons wouldn't look at it, unless it's cold.
I only feed popcorn.
More videos coming this Winter.
Your amazing rob.. I have some of alberts old birds I have like 30 right now
love my blacks thx
Great Video Robert. I was curious abt how the portable training works but this video really helped. U definitely have trained them well.Keep up the good work.Cant thank you enough.
I love it man .. You are a GOD in the PIGEON WORLD
Really smart idea
Good information thank you
Was watching it again... awesome....
I like your way to train them, how lovely pigeons .. awesome! ❤
Great job Thank you
Would you be interested in selling a few mated pairs or some new borns
Reason I ask I got a small driveway
Do they live in the portable box all thr time ? Is it really hard to train them to fly from portable ? I got two baby pigeons im going to try and fly them from portable
Hello Mert,
They only go into the portable for their meals, not as a loft, as it is to small.
Easy to train to portable, put the portable "box" in the loft with food, that's the only place they eat.
Good luck with your babies
Amazing!!! Brilliant!!!
I know it would be kinda a pain but if you train some young ones if you could vid it all that would be great. It would give a timeline . Can you train older birds have you tried ? Like all your videos ,love watching them fly thank you
How can I make a pigeon trap
They are smart then my dog
That's amazing
Thanks
Cool way to keep them. I guess you lost quite a few birds before getting the right flock to always only return to the portable?
Hello Will,
If a Cooper's hawk comes in and busts up the flock early in training, it might cause difficulty rounding them up, otherwise
losses are rare if trained properly.
One bird didn't come out from back of the ute. Hope you found it
Wow this is amazing 🧐😳, I can’t believe my eyes but I get it now !!!! God bless you and you are good to your birds , keep training and keep them flying ! , Middletown, Delaware 🇺🇸
wow thoes are very well behaved pigeons!
I love the way you painted a Ukrainian Skycutter on the landing board in the back of your truck. Awesome Video. I Loved watching it.
Hi Robert, I am not sure if you are active over here....anyway, is there anyway to have some help from you while chossing pigeon breeds to start off a free flying like yours? Do you have a e-mail or any other media to get in contact? thank you!
they must be hungry!! lol
Only way you get that level of control is through strarving them and ultimately this means you won't be a very successful racer
Hello Robert,I'm really impressed with h your birds do you have any available?Fernando
Thanks for the reply mate I'm getting some rollers soon so I mite do that with the rollers rather homers :)
pretty cool system.
So Mr. Robert
How long do you go with not feeding them before they learn to come where the food is.
Do you think this would work with tipplers? Or do they have too much of an instinct to fly off?
Amazing Good Job Danny you think I can traine my birds like that?
woooooow!!!! Man that is so cool. im going to try this on my birds.
Hey Robert god bless,what kind of pigeons are theese?
Hey do u know how can I get the wild pigeons to come in my loft
Great video.. I am going to start doing this.
There was one more bird in your truck dum
Oh ok,thank you,god bless you!!
Hi Robert. What breed are theses?
Thank you so much for this video!
Thanks mate for your reply! :)
Thank you this is very cool
Thanks for sharing..
Very interesting!
Thank you much Robert for the info,and yeah those blacks are something else,like you said WOW!!!! ¿Do you know where I can look to get some nyc flying flights,somebody that can do shipping?
Hello Danny,
I would try Dan Capps at bxunderdogoptonline.net
He knows all the people with quality "Flying" NYC Flights.
He got me started with the best flying NYC Baldies I ever had.
Hey Robert God bless.how do you deal with Falcons or any bird of prey.is there a time a year you fly more or less depending on falcon migration or something like that.i have rollers and yesterday a falcon killed my best hen.i flew in the summertime and had no problem,but tempetures went up hear in rock creek Ohio for a couple days and I let the birds out and this happend.any advice on how to deal with birds of pray attacking my flock.i know that they will always be around but is there a time of year that's better to fly?
Hello Danny,
Sorry you lost your best hen, it can be frustrating when raptors hit your kit.
Cooper's hawks are the toughest on captive pigeons, where I live they show up about October (Immature birds), most migrate South by January, including adults.
I've had to "Lock-down" my Galati Rollers.
If your "positive" it was a falcon, it would have been a Peregrine or Merlin, on migration and unlikely to hang around for future meals.
Falcons like to take their prey in the sky.
If it was a Cooper's hawk, which take their prey at "Treetop" level or lower, they may hang around the "Restaurant" if the pickings are good, until a hard cold front pushes them South.
If it was a falcon (high speed dive) high in the air, I would continue flying the kit, and assume it left the area.
If it was a Cooper's hawk, I'd "Lock-down" the kit for a few days, and be aware of the local wildbird activities, look carefully through the tree limbs for hawk silhouettes.
The months of the year that "I" fly without raptor attacks are January until late September, I'd think it would be similar at your longitude.
Great vid mate
Great friend.
cool method.
Love it
Thanks
way do you yous
can you drive to a park let them out, then call them back to the truck?... would it work with tipplers?
+George Bush
All breeds can be trained this way, the longer and the higher a breed flies, the longer you'll have to wait for them to come down.
Here are to videos for an example of breeds that might make you wait for them, of course "Droppers" will really help get them down sooner.
ua-cam.com/video/JLOxcqcc7k8/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/E-Bl9uXS2lg/v-deo.html
Roberts5l I have watched this video before but it still amazes me how active and how disciplined your birds are GREAT JOB!! Im starting to breed Birmingham rollers and i have a few videos posted if you wouldnt mind check them out and tell me what you think. Thank you