Why F1's 2022 Wheels are Slower but Better
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
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If you have been keeping up with the new regulations coming to F1 in 2022, one of the most visually obvious changes is in the wheels. What's with those slim sidewalls? Or that convex hub? And what the hell are those little wings over the tires???
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Us Americans really appreciated the kg to small animals conversion. Thank you
@hv a happy day thanks for sharing, reported both your channels for spam and mass advertising...
@hv a happy day report
@@Poatatero what did this person say i think they deleted the comment
1.3kg is 0.000000735 jumbo jet, your welcome
@@qweam229 Probably just posted a link. It's self-promotion spamming of the lowest form hoping for a positive effect.
After checking in other comment chains, I was right except on the fact it was 100% the poster's video. Turns out it's on a different channel, but for all I know it's the same person behind the poster and the channel behind the link. The channel in question also has more than 30k subs, which is weird, most self-promoters I've seen rarely go above 5k subs.
Thank you for enlightening us with the weight of various animals
Love your vids man
Aka yo mama
A slight departure from our "Nolan weight scale"
Americans hate metric lmao
That’s donut for ya
"no more tyre warmers"
F1 becomes tokyo drift
You do know how they do in Toky-O
The current fat tire gives a huge amount of grip, but when it goes over that line it just snaps loose and it is pretty much impossible to correct. I think the smaller sidewall lets the car slide just a bit more, but it will be easier for the drivers to correct it. Less tire deformation makes the car more predictable.
Most of the snappiness of an F1 car comes from the yaw sensitivity of the aero package. They downforce drops off rapidly when the car isn't going straight through the air.
@@xeigen2 also considering how long these cars are it would be harder to correct a large snap
Is it, though? If a sidewall is larger, it takes more time for it to break traction and unload the tire, shorter sidewall would take longer to snap out of grip since it is not preloaded so much, but when it does, it has less momentum to realign to the rim therefore becoming more snappy in a way.
@@Arnechk Yeah exactly. There will be more spin outs with less sidewall ! The sport will become dangerous like in the 70-80s again.
but the suspension will be much more temperamental, potentially cancelling out any benefits
The 13 in wheels were a signature f1 look though, I’m going to miss them
Same, but change is needed, plus new wheels look sick af
@@shiiiiiiiiime and less dirty air
@@shiiiiiiiiime They look a bit tacky to me, but the wheel covers will probably look really awful doesnt matter the size.
@@shiiiiiiiiime I mean do want the do you want the team to win or do you want the car to look sick
@@donut_3370 If all f1 cars use big wheels than it can be both
As a Civic hatchback with a big ass wing owner, you're welcome.
What?
@@AndrewKidd14145 Watch the video - specifically where they talk about Civics with big wings cleaning up the dirty air.
SWEET FN SPOILER DUDE!
@@TheEpicSponge oh, marginally air filters in the induction system may actually do something.
Thank you
I really like and appreciate y'all doing more F1 content. For years I have loved F1, but I've also been the only one I know of that does. I'm hoping that with all the added coverage F1 is getting state side here lately will get more people in to it.
loving the F1 videos man, massive fan of you guys and of F1 and honestly there are a LOT of things you guys are covering that I didnt know about. great job guys! You guys ROCK
if we change f1's wheels to shopping cart wheel's the speed is gonna be like -3 hours of lap time
No they are smaller so that means more speed right
@@kaboom1077 nah its really gonna be slow man cuz the wheels are just way too small. not enough tire is sticking onto the ground. the car is just gonna slide around everytime it reaches a corner.
@@joshuapeligrino Tires won't even last 1 lap,
Lewis 69s into Lap 1,: bono my tyres are gone
I know I was joking
😂😂😂
FIA once said “Faster = safety issue”
I think it's the same thing that Ayrton Senna & Jackie Steward pointed out
@@ivanbima5877 rather than reduce the speed they better increase the technology for safety
@@Michaellllllllllllllll but still, new safety technology on cars = more weight wich more weight = car go slow
it is really good for the drivers because there will be less and less chances of one dying but we all know its sad
@@Michaellllllllllllllll theres only so much safety modern tech can provide at 200+ mph
@@nickowen7406 I was just about to say that :D
I recently "upgraded" my wheels from 13 to 15" and the acceleration loss is definately noticable, but the wider surfice area makes that it handles better, and i have way less wheel spin when exiting a corner with some speed. I think i should go 14", best of both worlds :)
It's probably the width affect more than the wheel size having the effect. Tyre isn't light either if it's a small wheel and a huge tyre.
Bigger or smaller wheels will change the final ratio. You would need shorter gears or something like that to compensate bigger wheels.
@@HugoEscudeiro not if you change the tyre to also to match the original outer diameter.
@@chrishart8548 in that case ues.
You were running 13" wheels??? What are you driving a Honda fit?
As always, big thanks for the f1 content. Absolutely loving it.
I like the idea of Nascar using a more "street styled" tire, since... ya know.... "STOCK CAR"
I support the idea of NASCAR teams having to buy a car from a dealership, slapping a tune, roll cage, suspension and exhaust on that bitch, stripping everything else(or not) and taking it to the race. Then we could just have a bunch of hellcats and gt500s and whatever else(even supercars or japanese cars for that matter) going around an oval. Or imagine the homologation special editions that would come out of this, slippery, low drag, high power versions of current cars.
Weird they still use that term now though, didn't it used to be true stock muscle cars (or lightly modified)?
I like the idea ot Nascar taking all the money they make and producing tracks that aren't boring.
Template cars.....
@@Vincetagram The problem is cost but boy would you just love to see it.
Thumbs up to the proper usage of "wheel" vs "rim" vs "tire"
10:46 as a Dutchie: amazed by the near perfect pronunciation of Max's surname, Jeremiah! Thanks!
Great explanation, thanks. First time watching your videos. Entertaining and informative. Well done.
"Bigger isn't always better"
You hear that Johnny
Johnny sins would like to know your location
That's what she said
but biggest is most often best.
Lmao best fact is that Johnny Sins hasnt a big D and doesnt consider a big size „better“😂
Your mom is in danger
I am really digging how B2bB went from featuring cool cars to becoming a more engineering focused show. I love it
Yes agreed 100%
Especially since we lost science garage :(
Really great video. Great explanation. And this should make next season more interesting
Had no clue I needed this, definitely enjoyed it! great content!
This man had become such a good presenter on this channel. His progress is very apparent and I’m glad they kept him on and allowed him to grow
I really like this chap too
Yeah he's not cringe unlike some other ones I've seen here
@@toccandocreacanaleulterior176 His first couple episodes were really shit (he was like that one blonde guy) but its nice seeing a calm adult on this channel lmao. Best one for sure
Up to speed has also gone a long way since it`s very beginning. Much more entertaining now. Of course, just a matter of personal opinion.
You could simply identically scale up your current suspension settings to match the scale of tire that went up. Simple physics boy
We need a "SWEET F*%CKIN' SPOILER DUDE!" t-shirt with a Civic on it.
@@pinneddonutmedia3620 ok donut media i will
+
Genius
just wanna give a huge shoutout to the guys that do the infographics on donut media.
these guys make the videos so much easier to understand and it's such a hard job to do properly. would love a background video on all the staff that goes into the making of your videos.
Just found this channel, and I love it man the spoiler quip had me dying.
"Bigger isn't always better"
~Jeremiah
Bruh
you're watching too much blacked
@@GlatzeMetzger yo, esssplain🌚
that's what she said ;)
“No it is”
~Jeremiah’s girlfriend
Yes, but as a great philosopher said: when everyone is slower, noone is
The point is to prevent tyres blowing out to increase safety. Cars today have too much downforce and thus have incredible cornering speed thus putting immense forces into the tyres therefore the tyres blow.
@@matej7793 nah pirelli can’t make a good enough tire because of the fia.
@@kodakwhite1696 that is also one part of the equation
But not everyone is slower. Road cars are getting faster, while F1 cars are getting slower.
@@cinegraphics preach that. I’m worried for the next 20 years of Motorsport’s. We have to enjoy these years lol
Mate, What a video.You've just explained everything i needed to know. what a channel!!!! liked and subscribed!!!
Very informative, thanks!
Im gonna miss that big'ol f1 tires
Me to
I kinda like the idea of bigger wheels from a aesthetic stand point, but those old tires are really iconic
Gonna miss that wiggle
@@turtle_fiesta5965 what do mean by wiggle
@@donut_3370 go watch slow motion shots of the tire while going through corners.
We need a up to speed on Brawn GP. The best Cinderella story in sports.
There's already a past gas podcast on it
They have a one hour podcast on it, you can check it out on Spotify.
Super Aguri gets my vote
Brawn GP´s story was great, but OG e-sports arguably had a better Cinderella story tho
@@nadimasfari9694 who?
Perfect explanation, well earned sub, looking forward to more F1 related stuff :D
Very informative and easy to understand for a no tech nurd like me! Thank you! :D
"Friendship ended with Valvoline, Pennzoil is our friend now." - James at a company meeting probably, idk, I'm not his dad.
Past gas listener I see…..
@@TheJacksmith500 ...maybe... :")
Fuck Shell tho. Scummy company.
Thought wtf happened to Valvoline during that ad read
@@djuanboone4830 It threw me for an absolute loop. Lmao
Not gonna lie, i liked them thick round tires
Watch drag racing. Them tires is dummie thicc.
me too
It just looks so juicy
Not the thick square ones?
@@MrVook LOL you mean tires for going up stairs?
Thank you for explaining this, so well. I'll show this to my apprentice...thank you Sir.
Duuuude, the amount of work this guy puts in his videos... Mindblowin! Keep it up Donut, subbed.
Being into mountain biking and hearing about this is kinda funny to me just because of how modern bikes use wheel sizes at 27.5" and 29". The bigger wheels are harder to maneuver, accelerate, and decelerate, but have faster roll speeds once they do finally get up to speed. Of course, the bikes are all designed around bigger wheels and stuff, which are also, crucially, directly underneath the rider. Basically, what I'm thinking (and probably wrong about given the differences between a bike and a freaking F1 car) is that as FIA regulations change and billions of dollars go into R&D, the "finished product" could see some benefits as well. After all, top fuel dragsters, supercars, and some mountain bikes/motorcycles run mixed wheel sizes and are designed around that idea, so there's that to consider
I was thinking the same thing
Yeah, plus the bigger wheels/tires help you roll over rocks more easily than the smaller ones, which of course doesn’t help at all in F1 - unless your name is Mazepin 😆
I would really like if some bike manufacturer designed and produced 26" bike that had modern 27.5" or 29" bike's geometry. And then racing those against each other.
26" bikes, in comparison to modern designs, were short, tall framed, got steep steering geometry, and non ideal seattube angle for dropper post.
29ers are better in every way. Once you ride one for a few weeks then try to switch back, you’ll see.
@@stevenjalopnik1342 Egh. when I was choosing a bike I tested both 27,5 and a 29er. I didn't like the 29er. It handled like a tank compared to the 27,5 at technical parts of the track.
If it ain’t broke, F1 will fix it.
The not being able to pass during a turn is going to even the playing field a little.
@@Longbowgun how will not being able to pass even the field?
it was broke
@@notyourtypicalwatchreview2563 did you even watch the video before typing this? Why can't people keep their mouths to themselves when they don't know what they're talking about
@@thatguy1806 yes, I did. You should listen to yourself.
very well explained and done! kudos! 👏👏
super great video, well explained. really informational too. great job
2022: the year of the RGB gamer wheels
YEP, RGB Helmets will soon follow thereafter
@@justsomeguywithoutamustang6436 Why do I want an RGB helmet? That sounds sick
ill be back to see if you predicted the future.
What will make people watch F1?
I know! Let's make the cars slower again and make the rims RGB!
Brilliant! You are promoted...
this man went out of his way to properly pronounce "Verstappen" we like that
I think it's pronounced (ass-hole)
@@user-cu9kp5or5d :D nice
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I like that you guys played both sides and not just one angle
You make a very cool physics teacher. This has been one of the most captivating classes ever!
Glad to see donut covering more content on formula one.
FD > F1
@@downwithtrudeau Rallye > FD > F1
Sponsored content most likely
It's too much these days😒...I'm starting to hate this channel
@@downwithtrudeau fd is a gayest form of motorsport
Spoilers make dirty air. That's why they're called spoilers. They literally SPOIL the air flow.
U right but there is more
Wrong
Woah spoilers dude. I was still watching season 6!
@@Gniggaaa He's right. Spoilers increase the size of the low pressure zone whereas the winglets described in the video are to decrease the size of the low pressure zone... (as in, they push air down instead of up)... they're the opposite of a spoiler.
i think the engineers at f1 know what they’re doing lol. if they say it cleans up the air, it cleans up the air
It'll be interesting to see how the F1 teams figure out some sneaky way to get the positive effects of the (banned) suspension inerters weaseled into the suspension systems. New wheel & tyre combos will significantly increase all manner of detrimental motion throughout the driveline & axles.
Absolutely love your guy’s channel!! So funny and super detailed! Keep up the good work you lot!!
@wnnalis cioov how can you hate phrases like hursepurse and turrrks
As a dutch person, I appreciate the effort you put into pronouncing verstappen`s name!
Another UA-camr that does a great job with name pronunciation is Josh Revell. He uses the Dutch pronunciation of Verstappen, the Brazilian of Ayrton, the Finnish of Bottas... he even correctly pronounces Mazepin as "asshole." He really puts in the effort.
@@freeski919 haha that's good. I'll look into in 't
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Donut officially has a crippling F1 addiction
Crippling addiction to advanced technology?
the best kind of addiction
Yea I really wish they made some rally and other motorsport videos
Who wouldn't if you're a car enthusiast? After all, F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport.
And i think only F1 fans are happy about it
Excellent, informative and entertaining.
Cheers from South Africa.
Very good explanation there my friend. Enjoy next season. Go Max!
I heard bigger isn't better. Thanks for bringing my hopes up ;)
*thats what she said!*
sry...had to...
@@theasian5496 LOL
@hv a happy day hes back
With wheels, getting rims?
FIA: Regulation for slower pitstop.
Fans: What's next? Slower race?
FIA: Welp!
@JOSHUA CSINCSA bigfoot happens to be a fanatic F1 fan
It’s the same thing that NASCAR did with the restrictor plate and I hate restrictor plates on cars if you’re going to have horsepower going to have horsepower don’t restricted
I don't care if it's slower. I want to hear sub-12,000RPM non-turbo V motors.
FIA ruining the sport
Calm down yall f1 will still be fast as fxxx and faster in the corners i dont think the word slow is a great word to talk about g1
Good isht! Like the technical details.
No matter what anyone tells me, I love the 13s and I will miss them dearly.
They could have gone up to 15 or even 17 and that wouldn't be too big of a problem, but 18's I don't like at all.
@@blasrouan2554 me neither, brother. The new car looks amazing but the 13s make the current cars look so much more aggressive
I don't understand this change either. Looks so bad now, nothing like big rims with a yellow text on it...
@@Tobiasliese it’s much better
@@Tobiasliese they made the change to make racing better easier to overtake
Jeremiah is Engineering Explained's cool cousin that partied.
🤘🏻
Love this comment lol, so true
Man …..that is an awesome explanation kudos……🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Great job in explanation. Loved the graphics
-stamped professional engineer
3:44 Americans will literally use anything but the metric system to measure
He actually used more metric measurements, verbally, than he did imperial. He used the animal comparisons for humor.
that is 100% correct we'll use grams or oz before using metric measurements
cry more
Why is this channel becoming mainly F1? Now days I only look forward to money pit.
@@jessierobbins9745 whats wrong with f1 themed tuesday?
As a 13 year old fanboy, I can confirm that everything said here is true.
Which 350z would you want to buy?
*Oh no*
@@Randarrradara NFSU2
@@rafapereira129 good taste of a chad gentleman
As a 13 year old fan boy everting said here is false, I like the old tyres vs the new tyres same with the car
"Because the tyres are the first point of contact with the road surface..." Well, they're the ONLY point of contact, unless you're scrubbing the floor/front wing... =)
Or if you're upside down. 😳
The prairie dog comparison really opened my eyes. Thank you Jeremiah.
Day 74 of asking James to do an uptospeed on Top Gear
Yeeeees please!!!
Yessssss
I feel like he'll offend *alot* of people if he doesn't do a perfect job.
You know you want to. Just do it. Make it a special edition
it was a perfect moto show
then Jeremy was hungry
then it stopped being a perfect moto show
Let's appreciate Jeremiah trying to pronounce Max's last name right, and doing a better job than most F1 figures.
Great videos, smart presentation, excellent production.... Subscribed. 👍
Seen the channel before. but a couple videos with this guy and I subscribed.
Jerry trying not to laugh after saying "Allen swamp monkey" 😂😂😂
That's his name?
3:42 you can see him trying not laugh after that lmao
Your F1 videos are absolute joy.
Thanks for going with more and more metric units!
And small animals
hearing that “ew” sound effect reminded me of science garage…nostalgia
Bert was my favourite
Bart
@@JimShorts10 Brent
@@Meekmillan, B R U N T .
@@SharikhKhan138 BURNT🔥
B2B on 24 hours of le mans cars and how they edure such a long time
Speaking of B2B on Le Man Prototypes, need a B2B episode about the new Peugeot 9X8 and why it doesn't have a rear wing compared to other LMPs
@@bezee5313 Because WEC is heavily regulating downforce for the hypercar class. Can run with just a diffuser and meet the downforce limit.
bruh I been driving my Renault clio for 20 years. 24hrs ain't shit.
Yess
Additionally a video on the dakar rally or baja 1000 and how those machines survive
Hey Donut, thanks for all the F1 content.
Hoping to see more of these
Thanks for the excellent explanation. Do you think brake size and brake cooling are also factors ?
The pit crews are gonna need to get buff
The rubber was probably heavier
Slower pit stops will be a thing too
@@CalgarGTX give them a year to adjust, they will be right back at ~2.5s
The best F1 seasons where 84-94
Remember Senna
Senna was F1 !! When he died so did F1. R.I.P
@@edhsanatorium7167 that doesn't make sense but ok i guess
Lonely Sandwich why am I seeing you everywhere and why are you so lonely
@@edhsanatorium7167 no he wasn’t lmao stop fanboying lol, he wasn’t f1. He was just a good driver
@@edhsanatorium7167 senna is reborn
Awesome content guys!
Pennzoil platinum full synthetic Euro L is the best oil I’ve ever used. It’s eliminated a lot of low speed engine knock in my direct injection cars.
It's also due to the break through in rubber technology allowing for thinner, lighter stronger tires capable of reaching higher top speeds, should be implemented in 5 to 10 years.
@Bob Watters the rubber is limited for racing. They can make a tire that would last pretty much a whole race but that would get rid of pit stops making racing less entertaining. I believe they did a b2b on this.
@Bob Watters the governing racing bodies make it so the best technology isn't used. For the fans.
Nice try at pronouncing “Verstappen” like a Dutch person would hahaha, you were close!
Lance Troll
8/10 🇳🇱
Yes good try! Keep it up 👍🏻
I was about to say that as well! Don't think i've heard any other English speaker attempt that before.
V E R S T A P P E N I NG
Donuts is really only one of a few content creator that i really looking forward to, they got all the technical and comical balance just right
That was unequivocally the most superb oil pour I’ve ever seen
"Your mom is so heavy that we decided to use her to hold our W12 during engine torque tests" Allisson, James
The measurement using animals killed me 😂😂🤣🤣
As an American F1 fan I really appreciate these videos you guys have been putting out lately. They are funny and informative. I hope F1 comes to the states more
Also it will affect the way the car changes direction, they're going to want to keep going straight so they'll have to slow more to turn
HOW DO YOU NOT TALK ABOUT BRAKES?! One of the largest reasons production sports cars are getting bigger wheels is so they can fit bigger brakes. That's also the reason big luxury cars are getting big wheels too, they need to stop those gigantic land barges. Now f1 teams will be able to put larger brakes on their cars to make them stop on a dime even more... or at least stop as quickly as the tires will allow before sliding. Idk how y'all can forget about this crucial factor considering brakes are the usual reason for people like time attack teams get bigger wheels.
F1 cars use inboard brakes so they are completely independent of the wheel diameter. This is a big part of the reason why street car wheels keep getting bigger though.
I’m really diggin’ all the F1 content!
Great content! This is just the kind of nerdy stuff I love. An additional note to why F1 is switching to the larger wheel size is because the tire manufacturers don't want to make the small tires anymore. A few years back when this started coming up in the articles and videos the manufacturers didn't want to make the small wheel size anymore because it didn't provide any technical information for the majority of their business which is road cars. This was part of the larger discussion about bringing other tire manufacturers into the sport and they did not want to provide tires for such a small wheel size. So, in essentially, they were stuck with Pirelli because Pirelli was Already doing it.
How do F1 tires provide any useful info to the road car market anyhow? Road cars do not use high grip/high wear rate tires no matter what the rim diameter is. F1 is already decades behind road car tech in tires. Pirelli is not in F1 to learn about tires, they are in F1 to advertise. I think that the low aspect ratio tires will slow the cars tremendously. Besides, the giant wheels with what looks like rubber bands wrapped around them are hideous.
I really wish they'd come out with an A.I. driven super hot lap series where the engineers can just go balls to the wall to crank out a car that can do 200 km around a track as fast as possible with little thought to the things holding F1 back.
I'd also make it a time attack race as well.
Porsche did something like that a while back where they went ham on a 911 and broke the all-time lap record at Spa (before F1 raced there again and Hamilton reclaimed the record).
And i want speed racer style racing but aint happenen anytime soon
Bro that pour shot was literally perfect in the Pennzoil “partnership”😂 I watched it about 6 times honestly🤷🏼♂️you know they sat after watching that and said damn, I want to go get some Pennzoil now😂🤣😂🤣😂
I also want to say, I appreciate you guys. I am a car salesman and you guys really make my time pass and I love the donut community #mopowabebeh
I feel like more people watch videos ABOUT F1 than F1 itself.
The tech is much more interesting than the racing itself these days. Hopefully this new rule actually creates more passing opportunity's.
that’s because my kayo free trial expired
You HAVE to do an episode about ground effect, rake and the difference between high rake and low rake
Please do more videos on wheel upgrades. I’m curious how much power light weight wheels can free up. Plus it’s one of the most common car upgrades!
These cars are going to look insane next year
Have they ever not looked insane I wonder.
And are going to be insanely slow woohoo
I've been trying to explain this concept to so many people who can't seem to grasp it. Now I have something I can use as a reference :D Thanks.
Even if the 18" wheel is the exact same weight as the 13", it will still be more difficult to spin and stop because the barrel is farther away from the center.
This also means your brakes work more to slow down the wheels, so they heat up more.
HOWEVER, with far, FAR larger brake rotors available, airflow and heat dissipation on brakes is dramatically increased. Heat control leads to greater modulation ability and consistency (remember no ABS in F1.)
Porsche pioneered 19" rear wheels on their 935's and tried to put 19" wheels on ultra-low-profile tires on the front, so truly gigantic brake rotors could be used, but the sidewall was too short and the tires slipped off of the rims during cornering due to the slow sloping nose of the 911-variant race cars, of which the 935 was one.
Because of the brand new car for 2022. The cars should be in highspeed corners faster but because of the tyres there are slower in slow corners, but the cars should be a fast at this year, and the big problem with dirty air is by the wings, but they doesn't have leds, that's just in assetto corsa (game) or in some fan concepts
Great informative video
props to the editors/animators, the animations were so good and the mirror to point to the corner was funny as