Yeah, he seems to not realize that having three wives divorce him at the same time, really says IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT KODY! He just can't get that through his thick skull and tiny brain.
Maybe Christine doesn’t let that bother her……but that wears on a person. Think of someone doing that to you constantly…how would you feel. I’m sure Katie joy gets some of that too. People need to stop being so mean/critical towards Christine. It’s taxing on people whether you’re famous or not. We are all just people deep down.
The shy thing is them thing to explain why Robyn don't want to be on camera anymore. 😊Not that she is hated by fans and is tired of the blowback to her actions.
Exactly. Funny how Kody didn’t want to hear anything about his sacred cow Robyn especially from his daughter. “You take that back!” Oh but it’s true papa!
Maddie has always been my favorite,as far as the kids are concerned. She is sma rt and tells you how it is. She pulls no punches. Wish the adults were like that.
I really like Maddie! I am able to understand her point of view. I think she is very respectful but is able to talk freely! I really like her and her point of view!
I found Maddie very credible; there was no hint of anger, bitterness, or vengeance in her voice. She is calmly stating facts. Narcissists NEVER want to face that mirror of truth. 💜
Robyn is sickening how she inserts herself when it really doesn't have anything to do with her. Can you imagine if Christine or Janelle spoke to her children like that? Her head would explode.
If Robyn would have said that to my kid she would have been shut down. Robyn hadn't known these kids long enough to have earned any respect from them. This and the purity speech is beyond creepy.
that picture putting her kids in kodys kid's place was the worst and most disturbing!! It was quite telling that she wanted her kids to replace his bio kids. she put the adoption idea in his head 100%. Robem always planned to take over.
Maddie is an incredibly strong, kind, intelligent young woman! I'm glad that she is standing her ground when it comes to Kody, Robyn, and their church. Good for you Maddie! Caleb is great too!
Robyn went into the family and went on to dictate what the teens should think, do and believe in. Maddie was the loudest against Robyn’s view of what a teen should do. That’s the reason Robyn doesn’t want her kids to blend with Kodys 13 oldest biological kids because Robyn doesn’t want her own kids to think for themself.
I am not Mormon, but I had to go to church as I was told until I was 18. At 18 I moved away for college and then made up my own mind as to what I believed. I just didn't want to rock the boat. One of my brothers was very argumentative and just didn't care. There were a lot of arguments between he and my parents.
I'm so glad to hear Maddie speaking out. I think she sees the family from all sides, the good, the bad, the ugly. She has taken the good from it and is not scared to give a voice to the bad and ugly of it all.
A lot of grownup child stars do not let their children act. There is a reason. I have heard that it is very difficult to keep everything in check, unless the parent is really on top of things. Reality TV being filmed in your house all the time must be just miserable.
Children should not have to follow their parents religion. When they become adults they have the right to choose whatever religion or no religion of their choice. It is called making decisions for yourself. A child has their own brain.
I don't even think he should rightfully even be called "dad" by these Very intelligent adult children who have figured it out finally. Stand your ground, Madison, and firmly set your boundaries.
One thing that got me so angry with Robyn was when she asked all the rest of the children what they thought of maddie not going to church. That was so out of line and uncomfortable to watch!
@@sabrinanormand8781 she probably to know to then use it as ammunition with Kody against her. If I were around Robyn I wouldn’t answer anything, she is evil.
So proud of Madi for speaking about her experience with maturity and objectivity. She didn’t throw anyone under the bus, take sides, or frame it in a way to villainise anyone. She sounds like she’s there to help and advocate as well as inform. Good for her. I also suspect that Garrison leaving us spurred this for her.
Well, Robyn knows she’s the reason her kids don’t have a relationship with their own father (besides Dayton), so it makes sense to her that Christine would do the same.
Everything you said in this video was very enlightening and closed a few gaps I had about these adults blaming kids! And don’t get me started on Robyn blaming Christine leaving for blowing up Kodys relationships with his kids! That just makes my blood boil!
@@WithoutACrystalBallThanks so much Katie for being such a good investigator and so intelligent and also for watching the show so we don’t have to. Also for speaking from the heart and showing the damage that has been done to these kids None of these older adults are innocent in my opinion but Kody and Robin are the lowest of the low
Oh the irony of Robyn…mad that Maddie didn’t want to follow the polygamy lifestyle but then switches religions when HER daughters are of an age to marry. What Robyn, you don’t want your precious daughters to become the 3rd or 4th wife of some slimy and controlling old guy who follows the AUB doctrine? But how will they enter into the celestial kingdom now?🙄🙄
Kody expectations: Agree with me even when I am wrong; I am never wrong; My way of seeing things is the only way; I am to be reverend and worshipped; Allow me to gaslight you.
Well in their cult and family and even as a plain old narcissist he had been a god for way too long. Christine shocked his system of control by leaving him. I hate it when they say divorced in the show by the way because they were never legally married.
Really, it sure wasn’t a trait of either of her parents. Can you imagine what Kody would be like, if all the kids had lived within a mile or two, from his place in Flagstaff??? He must have been planning a new ‘SHORT CREEK’. KODY JEFFS!!! No wonder his plans tanked. Too many smart, independent kids.
Maddie is very up front and a very strong young lady. And brave enough to speak her feelings no matter who doesn’t like it She will make sure that her kids are never around this kind of toxic people She and Caleb are to be praised for being the people and parents they are What a wonderful and beautiful young lady she is. And I so admire her
A lot of toxic families have that person. It's a very painful and difficult position to be in, from experience, because it makes you a target and can be isolating. I'm glad Maddie has an outside support system.
Finally the children have a found their voice. Well done Maddie for being real. Robyn blaming Christine leaving? What planet is she on? He told her she repulsed him! What woman in their right mind would stay in that situation? He was absolutely VILE to his children with Christine & especially Janelle, how could anyone forget that convo with Gabe when he tried to talk to him & was more of an adult that Kody, throwing out Gabe & Garrison over covid then their Nanny who was equally coming & going gives it to them! KARMA right there.
Thank you for also holding the women accountable for their actions in all this. I can empathize because of their upbringings but at some point, bad behavior is bad behavior and it deserves to be called out
Remember, Kody and Robyn smeared Robyn's first husband, Preston, all over national TV. Kody said "I vetted Robyn hard--(I bet you did, Kody.)--to make sure she wasn't leaving a 'good man'." Then forward to when Christine starts dating David. Kody says "Christine will have to shit-talk me because David can't think she left a 'good man'." See, the SAME thing Robyn and Kody did to Preston (and Kody just told on himself as to why), Kody flips in his case with Christine and writes it off as "Yeah, she has to trash me to the kids and David and that's why I don't have a relationship with my kids." Instead of just taking accountability and growing! 🤯😡
Oh please. Narcs have to tell them selves delusion bull crap so they can live in their skin. They’ll keep telling that story until if feels true. That’s their survival skills
I will forever side eye Janelle for how she handled (or didn’t handle) her son’s breakdown over the move to Flagstaff. I’ll never forget how broken he was over losing the progress he’d made in school and his social life by being told to be quiet and stop causing trouble for the family. 😢ugh
@jacquelinem6609 Janelle should have stayed in LV 1 more year so Gabe and Gwen could have graduated and as it turned out one of the cul de sac houses took over a year to sell
Good for Maddie! Kody is a liar and she knows it! She doesn't have to show her dad respect when he hasn't respected his OG 3 wives or their 13 children! I say this every post, I refuse to watch this show after Garrison's passing. The only way this show will end is if people stop watching and they're not profitable any longer to TLC. The oldest daughter of Ruby Franke is speaking out about the damage that happens when you put your children on social media to make money. There needs to be laws protecting children that have no say.
It's wonderful that Maddie felt strong enough to speak her mind at such a young age, particularly when she was getting so much backlash from the adults in her family. That's very difficult to do.
For some reason, setting healthy boundaries is kind of a new phenomenon, which is really great. So many of us gen-xers were raised with the expectations of obeying our parents unquestioningly as well - and that typically continued through college. Once out and on our own (i.e. financially independent) we started to realize how we differed from our parents, and as we had our own kids we started to question our parents actual parenting and looked at how WE wanted to parent. I’m glad that my kids are looking more critically at the world, even if it is kind of painful when they look more critically at myself and my husband. I’m glad that they are recognizing toxic relationships and where to draw lines. Our goals as parents were always to raise kids who did life better than we did, and for now I think they are on that path. ❤❤❤
I’m a boomer. I raised my kids to have their own opinion. Their own thoughts and beliefs. Bc we didn’t have that Privilage. We got beat. I remember my son saying when he was older, why didn’t you stop me from doing “that”, why didn’t you force me?” I had to laugh. No matter what you do as a parent, something will be wrong. But I never took my kid’s personally. They were their own master and I love them no matter what🤗
Thank you for this video Katie! It’s always nice to hear Maddie’s voice. She is articulate and says what is on her mind unapologetically. I appreciate that. You are so spot on about Kody and just how abusive and narcissistic he is. I grew up with the same father figure in my household (he was a stepfather but still traumatizing). You are also right in saying that Janelle plays a part in all of this, yet won’t admit it. Maddie is far easier on Janelle than I am on my mother for keeping my sister an I in the abusive situation until I was 15 years old and finally escaped to my Dad’s. The thing is, my mother always has justification for her actions and doesn’t ever take responsibility for anything. She was also abusive to us. I know you KNOW. I’m glad the older kids are making their own way and doing things for themselves that are healthy. My hope is that they all can work through their traumas and find peace. I know they do talk more about mental health awareness as well and I think that is great. I was very scared for all of them! I hope you have a great rest of your week! Hugs! 💖
I made mistakes that hurt my children I take full responsibility for my stupid decisions. My blessing is I have three adult children that love me and want to still be around me. They are amazing humans in spite of me.❤
Ikr, it's nuts how much these wealthy networks get away with, out-n-out child and financial abuse, and the crushing of First Amendment rights with NDAs I'm betting!
The crews are protected by bystander laws and under the law they are not mandatory reporters. This is morally corrupt and the network may even have the crews sign an NDA and an agreement not to interfere. Now I have no clue how legal these are but few members of the crew have the money to risk their jobs or possibly future jobs to speak up.
@@thehomeschoolinglibrarian I've always wondered why they didn't intervene when Truly got so sick. And I've also wondered if they were there when Dayton had his bad accident and then didn't use the footage.
Maddie has a good head on her shoulders. She is right on the mark with her reasons for her decisions. Kody has an anger management problem and he is not safe around her children.
No child escapes childhood without going thru some trauma. No parent escapes parenthood without inflicting some level of trauma on their children. This is 1 thing i have learned as an adult and parent.
Wow! You did an amazing job breaking down all the possible traumatic scenarios and consequences of the lifestyle choices of this family!! The “breaking the will” statement really made an impact. We need our will to survive as adults. I never understood patients that have a goal to break a child’s will and spirit. This video is a wild summery after watching this family from the start. What a real time social experiment that went so wrong. I feel bad for Truly! Hopefully David is the good guy he seems to be
Robyn blaming Christine for Kody not having a relationship is an evil lie and she knows exactly why they don’t have a relationship. She’s so infuriating and even more than that, she’s also partly RESPONSIBLE FOR GARRISON’S DEATH
Because she made Kody chose her over his children by being too vocal about herself rather then considering Kody and his relationship with B his kids. She forced Kody to choose and that DEVASTATED the children!
If Kody doesn't have a good relationship with his kids it's no one else's fault but his own. I have kids of my own and if one of those relationships was in bad shape I would move heaven and earth to fix it.
@@WithoutACrystalBalloh no! Don't be sorry, I found it utterly hilarious !!! This is your livelihood, and you work mega hard at it, I have ZERO complaints and I love your channel!! I'm always here🩷🩷🩷
@@WithoutACrystalBalloh no! Don't be sorry, I found it utterly hilarious !!! This is your livelihood, and you work mega hard at it, I have ZERO complaints and I love your channel!! I'm always here🩷🩷🩷
I actually feel for Robyn's kids ( never thought I would lol) They must watch how Kody treats his biological kids and live in fear of saying the wrong thing or having different views. A very abusive household that Kody runs so it's no wonder the adult kids have said no thanks.
Those kids are definitely scared - they have no life skills and really are needy, in no small part because of how they were raised. They need to be set free to discover themselves and how to live in the real world so that some day they can move out without having to get married just to get away from Robyn and Kody.
Agree , they are victims of this religious cult , their parents and TLC . They just like the other kids had no control what the adults did to them . With that amount of kids your going to have some that break away and find a better and fairly stable life and some are going to come out all kinds of messed up or worse as we saw with Janell’s Son .
@@MeeMawCumminsI agree. Robins kids were taken away from their father and lied to and brainwashed and imprisoned They are not prepared mentally to be out on their own. They rely totally on Robin and kody for everything. They are snotty and entitled but also mentally underdeveloped. They are children in adult bodies Not at all ready for the outside world
True about Janelle, Katie, on Janelle and her lack of accountability and self-reflection. I think Janelle used to feel smug about feeling emotionally connected to Kody. I am sure Janelle and Kody would brutally disparage Meri and Christine. I honestly think Christine sacrificed the most for that family. Janelle takes pride in having a career. Christine has a lot of traits that could have made her a successful career person.
Janelle left the family for a few years because of conflicts with Meri, so I kind of doubt she had this smugness and huge connection with Kody. Not to mention that Meri was the favorite wife for a while, that is also in the book.
Its no coincidence that kody disliked Maddie first and liked Mykelti the most and the longest. Robbin being the common dominator. Like Robin? Ill like you. Dislike Robbin? Ill disown you.
I know John Gosselin very well! We live in the same town!! As a matter of fact just seen him at the polls!! He is doing well…so are the 2 kids he has! He is a wonderful man believe it or not! Now Kate!! I don’t even want to go there. I will just say how you seen her on the show times that by 10!!!
The conversation between her and Maddie driving was like watching a role reversal. Janelle seemed more as a child asking her mom for advice. Maddie seemed the adult.
Perhaps *all* the "children of TLC" would be interested in a class action lawsuit? TLC being held responsible for *ALL* the lives of the children of multiple families, that were destroyed because the TLC didn't place any importance on the health and wellbeing of the unprotected minors they forced to perform on TV.
She should sue them all....and sue Kody for slander and defamation. He should not be allowed to say her name publicly. All these kids should seek justice for themselves. As for the moms, I have no sympathy for them. Janelle isn't a saint. She is petty just like the other wives. I've seen it.
Another thing : they vere strict that the young girls should dress sooo decent. Not showing anything. And then Christine go wild overboard dressing for Her nev man. It must have beenna bitter feeling for some of the girls
Robyn claiming to be so shy now is such bs! She was so loud and aggressive at the beginning. So what has silenced her? Kody? The fact that the OG3, their Kids, and the audience see how manipulative she is?! She was NEVER shy before!
In the earlier seasons when Robyn, perhaps thought she was going to be an international reality sensation, she would be the first to pipe up and the one who pipes up the most on all topics. Now that she knows we know the real Robyn, now she is "shy."
Jenelle has been a deadbeat parent for years. She didn’t put her kids first. She once admitted to not coming home after work so she could relax and get dinner and see a movie. She kept the books, she was Kody’s right hand man. She let Kody’s wishes override the well-being of her kids. Jenelle won’t speak too badly about Kody, she was very much complicit in all his fraud schemes.
Yup guilty kootles has something on her for sure...always has something good to say about him at the end ....don't want to get him mad and take her down with him..but he will.
@@Jat-j7zI agree yet, I do believe she is still very much brainwashed and cannot or will not see the light of day. It takes a long time to get out from under an abuser.
Definitely agree! I think all the moms are neglectful, terrible mothers! It is a learned behavior straight from the cult. Christine just jumped from one man to another, not caring one bit what her children thought or felt.
If nothing good has come of this polygamous family, at LEAST it's shown all these kids how they DO NOT wish to live, & ensured they don't stay in that religious cult!🤷♀️
My take on Janelle is her inability to be the "independent" woman she claims she is. She can not do anything on her own without having to cling to someone else to catch her. For example, she probably married right out of high school to get away from her parents. She moves in with Kody and Mari after her first divorce. And when Christine left the family, it appeared to me in the beginning she was trying to ride on her coat-tail and maybe become a sister-wife with Christine and David. NOW, in trying to get away from Kody, she is latching on to Maddy.
I have watched Maddie’s podcast and really enjoyed it. She is incredibly honest and mature. Amazing this young woman is so intelligent and articulate about what she has experienced and what she will tolerate and what she absolutely won’t tolerate. She is her mother’s daughter but frankly, smarter than her Mom. My two cents. Thanks for listening.
@@BestCoastLifewell she’s definitely smart to keep her mouth shut about Kody. Let’s not forget, Jenelle was the family bookkeeper she knows all about the fraud and schemes… she was a willing participant.
@@BestCoastLife I don't think Janelle is smart or emotionally intelligent. I think Janelle played the "smart wife" but Christine is the one that walked away with money and legal rights to sue Kody. Janelle and Kody consistently made Christine believe she was a princess and not smart.
I’m so impressed that Maddie at such a young age spoke up to Robyn. I fear for Aurora and Brianna if she refuses to let her kids have any thoughts of their own. I think Ari is going to be a good kick in the pants to Kody and Robyn. She seems to be a very headstrong young lady who has a mind of her own.
@ agreed. They’ve said a few things about her that have me wondering - she’s a wild kid who doesn’t sleep, she still uses a pacifier at age 7, she hangs on to Kody’s legs and won’t let him leave - to me it sounds like there was no discipline from Kody and Robyn. Maybe the nanny wasn’t available?
0:43 He misspoke here and its an interesting Freudian slip. Yes, you are trying (and for a while succeeded) at downplaying those stereotypes.... But what you MEANT to say, Kodey, is that you're trying to DISSPELL those stereotypes.
More power to maddison brown she seems so well put together she articulates her own feelings and opinions with no malice or vindication and its really admirable.
It's abhorrent that parents say they love their children and then physically abuse them. The Black Baptist Church believes that if you "spare the rod you spoil the child." I do not believe in corporal punishment. Parents who practice corporal punishment are bullies, in my opinion.
Where I live ANY kind of corporal punishment is criminalised. Why should you be allowed to hit kids any more than other adults? They need even more protection, not less.
If they don't love you, Kody, that's YOUR fault.
Yeah, he seems to not realize that having three wives divorce him at the same time, really says IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT KODY! He just can't get that through his thick skull and tiny brain.
YES!!!! 😂yes!!!!
From the horses mouth
100%
Yes!!!!!! Yes!!!!!!
Soooo tired of them blaming Christine for everything!!!!!!!!!!
Ditto
💯 percent sick of it’s all Christine’s fault.
Christine could care less and I’m glad for that!
Maybe Christine doesn’t let that bother her……but that wears on a person. Think of someone doing that to you constantly…how would you feel. I’m sure Katie joy gets some of that too. People need to stop being so mean/critical towards Christine. It’s taxing on people whether you’re famous or not. We are all just people deep down.
“Thank you Christine!!”
That clip of Robyn getting mad at Maddie shows how Robyn isn’t this ‘shy demure lady’ she now wants people to think she is.
The shy thing is them thing to explain why Robyn don't want to be on camera anymore. 😊Not that she is hated by fans and is tired of the blowback to her actions.
Exactly. Funny how Kody didn’t want to hear anything about his sacred cow Robyn especially from his daughter. “You take that back!” Oh but it’s true papa!
🎯 and she wasn’t shy when she was kicking the dog in seasion 2! King and Queen of Delusion!
There are way too many examples of why we KNOW she is not shy. It’s so fake, their PR team sucks ass.
Did you notice Robyn wasn’t getting her way and she started to whimper like she was about to cry?
I have always loved Maddie's direct, open honesty over the years!
EVEN AS A KID. i remember they asked her if she wanted to be polygamous. She was like hell no!
Maddie has always been my favorite,as far as the kids are concerned. She is sma rt and tells you how it is. She pulls no punches. Wish the adults were like that.
She has many of Janelle's good traits. Luckily, Maddie is a much better Mother who puts her children first
I really like Maddie! I am able to understand her point of view. I think she is very respectful but is able to talk freely! I really like her and her point of view!
🎉me too!
I found Maddie very credible; there was no hint of anger, bitterness, or vengeance in her voice. She is calmly stating facts.
Narcissists NEVER want to face that mirror of truth. 💜
@@bwannahuntress finally someone said the Narc word ...
Robyn is sickening how she inserts herself when it really doesn't have anything to do with her. Can you imagine if Christine or Janelle spoke to her children like that? Her head would explode.
EXACTLY!!!
Robyn is the proverbial wicked Step mother in stories like Hanzel and Gretal.
That must be Kody's shy and pretty wife sticking her nose where it doesn't belong.
@@becky9103she’s not shy and she is too evil looking to be considered pretty.
But she’s so shy!🤮
Maddy is honest about her feelings . she is amazing.
she is respectable based on her character, kody could learn a lot from his daughter
@@gimppy411 i agree
Kody, blame yourself if your kids don't love you. 🙄
Could you imagine if people started blasting him with his own snarky remarks in public? Lol 🤣 Not sure if Robyn and Kody get out that much though.
@Hennermint I would relish the opportunity to yell this at him from across the street😂
Omg YES 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
You win best comment! 👏🏼👏🏼
Or blame the wives if they don't love you or aren't loyal to you your not loyal to anyone including yourself
If Robyn would have said that to my kid she would have been shut down. Robyn hadn't known these kids long enough to have earned any respect from them. This and the purity speech is beyond creepy.
She would get her version of what she did to the dog x10.
And the picture!
right? who asked for her opinion anyways?!
@@Jat-j7zwhat? What did she do to a dog?
that picture putting her kids in kodys kid's place was the worst and most disturbing!! It was quite telling that she wanted her kids to replace his bio kids. she put the adoption idea in his head 100%. Robem always planned to take over.
Maddie is an incredibly strong, kind, intelligent young woman! I'm glad that she is standing her ground when it comes to Kody, Robyn, and their church. Good for you Maddie! Caleb is great too!
right? it should be robyn learning something from maddie not the other way around
Robyn shut your face when another woman’s child is answering her fathers question. It’s none of your business.
If it had been my child, I couldn't keep my mouth shut! I'd have told Robin to take care of her own kids and I'll take care of mine!
Robyn went into the family and went on to dictate what the teens should think, do and believe in. Maddie was the loudest against Robyn’s view of what a teen should do.
That’s the reason Robyn doesn’t want her kids to blend with Kodys 13 oldest biological kids because Robyn doesn’t want her own kids to think for themself.
I feel for those kids. They will rebel. Shes just shoving this cult down their throat
@ yes! Robyn loves the power as an adult over these teens
I am not Mormon, but I had to go to church as I was told until I was 18. At 18 I moved away for college and then made up my own mind as to what I believed. I just didn't want to rock the boat. One of my brothers was very argumentative and just didn't care. There were a lot of arguments between he and my parents.
Robyn was the most conservative in her belief in the faith. She wanted the kids to be in the faith
I'm so glad to hear Maddie speaking out. I think she sees the family from all sides, the good, the bad, the ugly. She has taken the good from it and is not scared to give a voice to the bad and ugly of it all.
Thank God Madison and some of the other kids were wise enough to realize this way of life is wrong and to draw great boundaries.
Is there even ONE kid that believes in it? I don't think so.
@@Lunarisa1971- None of the OG kids, but I don’t know about what will be the case for Kody & Robyn’s kids.
@liseklerekoper2441 very true. I think those poor girls have been HEAVILY indoctrinated by Sobbin.
Robyn is nuts.
That's what I keep saying! I feel she is legitimately unstable.
@@Suzywellness. She appears to have some type of developmental disability.
Robyn is a covert narcissist.
@canadianalien370 i agree! She seems emotionally stunted. She's also not capable of seeing her faults, so I thinks she's also a covert narcissist.
@@Lady.Scorpio7 💯% yes I agree!
TLC sure doesn't care about the children
TLC is a very bad production company. 😢
I so agree. We should all stop watching.
A lot of grownup child stars do not let their children act. There is a reason. I have heard that it is very difficult to keep everything in check, unless the parent is really on top of things. Reality TV being filmed in your house all the time must be just miserable.
Only Robyn's
And that was the shy pretty wife Robyn getting upset at Maddie for not wanting the same religion or church 🙄🥴
Sly and petty, but, to be fair, she IS work shy.....
@@lynnebarnes3840 😂😂😂😂😂
Children should not have to follow their parents religion. When they become adults they have the right to choose whatever religion or no religion of their choice. It is called making decisions for yourself. A child has their own brain.
Good for Madison for rejecting Mormonism at such a young age.
Maddie later tried to join the mainstream Mormon church and was rejected bc she would have had to dissociate from her family.
@amandap8215 I think that was Mykelti, when she moved out to work in Utah. I think she worked at a pawn shop. That's when she met Tony.
@@gamma3198 It was Maddie too.
@@gamma3198When Maddie was at Utah State she also tried to join LDS. They gave her the same answer as Mykelti. No.
I don't even think he should rightfully even be called "dad" by these Very intelligent adult children who have figured it out finally. Stand your ground, Madison, and firmly set your boundaries.
One thing that got me so angry with Robyn was when she asked all the rest of the children what they thought of maddie not going to church. That was so out of line and uncomfortable to watch!
@@sabrinanormand8781 she probably to know to then use it as ammunition with Kody against her. If I were around Robyn I wouldn’t answer anything, she is evil.
Robin in that scene with Madison did not seem "shy"
To be fair, she IS work shy.
@lynnebarnes3840 🤣 That she is
Don’t forget “pretty” too🙄
Robyn is only shy about cleaning her house and treating the OG3’s fairly.
TY!
TLC are abusive, they have a huge part in Garrison's demise.
I’d rather put the blame on the parents who didn’t give any child a choice. All the various families.
Yes.
@@anon6116I cannot disagree.
@@anon6116they get PART of the blame too
So proud of Madi for speaking about her experience with maturity and objectivity. She didn’t throw anyone under the bus, take sides, or frame it in a way to villainise anyone. She sounds like she’s there to help and advocate as well as inform. Good for her. I also suspect that Garrison leaving us spurred this for her.
So Robyn is blaming Christine for many of the kids not having a relationship with their father?? That's so sad and unfair to say!!😞
Well, Robyn knows she’s the reason her kids don’t have a relationship with their own father (besides Dayton), so it makes sense to her that Christine would do the same.
@@canadianalien370BINGO!!! 🎯
Obviously it happened before christine left during covid,lol
Robyn's blames everyone else, except herself. She's the perpetual victim in every situation.
@@canadianalien370True. I believe Robyn to have a histrionic personality disorder so she will project things on to others.
Thank you Maddie sometimes you have to making the right move you have to protect your family.
Everything you said in this video was very enlightening and closed a few gaps I had about these adults blaming kids! And don’t get me started on Robyn blaming Christine leaving for blowing up Kodys relationships with his kids! That just makes my blood boil!
I know. It's infuriating.
@@WithoutACrystalBallThanks so much Katie for being such a good investigator and so intelligent and also for watching the show so we don’t have to. Also for speaking from the heart and showing the damage that has been done to these kids None of these older adults are innocent in my opinion but Kody and Robin are the lowest of the low
Oh the irony of Robyn…mad that Maddie didn’t want to follow the polygamy lifestyle but then switches religions when HER daughters are of an age to marry.
What Robyn, you don’t want your precious daughters to become the 3rd or 4th wife of some slimy and controlling old guy who follows the AUB doctrine?
But how will they enter into the celestial kingdom now?🙄🙄
Oh now she’s changing the rules to fit her narrative! Right…
WORD
Has she? I thought she was still all about wanting sister wives?
Sounds like Kodylocks is having fun rewriting history. Doesn’t he remember we can go back and re-watch episodes that show he’s lying?
‘Kodylocks’ I actually laughed out loud at that! Love it ❤
@@67fantasticaI like Baldylocks too, lol
Bwaaahaaahaaa
You said “Kodylocks!” You win the internet today!!!
Not Kodylocks!!
Kodylocks is a self-absorbed idiot.
Kody expectations:
Agree with me even when I am wrong;
I am never wrong;
My way of seeing things is the only way;
I am to be reverend and worshipped;
Allow me to gaslight you.
Literally 💯 He's so delusional, & has zero self awareness!🤦♀️🤮
Well in their cult and family and even as a plain old narcissist he had been a god for way too long. Christine shocked his system of control by leaving him. I hate it when they say divorced in the show by the way because they were never legally married.
Literally said by a top LDS church leader. Don’t speak against the leaders even if they’re wrong.
@@pernilladomander7648, yep.
Me too
Maddie is amazing. How did she manage to cut through all the bull in that family at such a young age?
Some have balls. I’m sure others felt that way. Just afraid to voice it. Even the wives.
Really, it sure wasn’t a trait of either of her parents. Can you imagine what Kody would be like, if all the kids had lived within a mile or two, from his place in Flagstaff??? He must have been planning a new ‘SHORT CREEK’. KODY JEFFS!!! No wonder his plans tanked. Too many smart, independent kids.
Maddie is very up front and a very strong young lady. And brave enough to speak her feelings no matter who doesn’t like it She will make sure that her kids are never around this kind of toxic people She and Caleb are to be praised for being the people and parents they are What a wonderful and beautiful young lady she is. And I so admire her
A lot of toxic families have that person. It's a very painful and difficult position to be in, from experience, because it makes you a target and can be isolating. I'm glad Maddie has an outside support system.
No Janelle, YOU chose it. Your children didn't choose it, and they paid the price for YOUR choice. Grow up now Janelle.
Well said and completely true!
Shaddup Robyn..
@@debkauble Nope. Don't even get me started on Robber.
The fact kody called Robyn shy recently and yet there she was attacking Maddie over religion 🤔
Finally the children have a found their voice. Well done Maddie for being real. Robyn blaming Christine leaving? What planet is she on? He told her she repulsed him! What woman in their right mind would stay in that situation? He was absolutely VILE to his children with Christine & especially Janelle, how could anyone forget that convo with Gabe when he tried to talk to him & was more of an adult that Kody, throwing out Gabe & Garrison over covid then their Nanny who was equally coming & going gives it to them! KARMA right there.
I am really enjoying their podcast! Proud that Maddie is speaking out on her own terms. She is a bright and strong young woman
What podcast is it? I want to watch it!
It’s called The Authentic Society. Multi topics. More than just sister wives
“There’s no repairing relationships with people like Kody” 🎯
Cody went from 'head of a plural family' to 'king of Robyn's basement"
Lol Good one!
THATS NOT NORMAL!! Maddie said it all right there. Keep Speaking 🗣️Out.
The kids not speaking to Kody is because he mentally abused their mothers and abandoned his kids and was more invested in Robyn’s kids🤦♀️
Thank you for also holding the women accountable for their actions in all this. I can empathize because of their upbringings but at some point, bad behavior is bad behavior and it deserves to be called out
Kudos to Maddie!! 😎👍 She's a wise woman! 🩷
Respect is a 2-way street. Good job cutting him off, Maddie!
Maddie is Janelle’s mini-me, only smarter, wiser, and courageous.
Absolutely to all three. Much smarter than her mom and much more courageous
How does Kody even know how MADDIE raises her kids? He never goes to see her
That network is responsible for so much pain!
Remember, Kody and Robyn smeared Robyn's first husband, Preston, all over national TV. Kody said "I vetted Robyn hard--(I bet you did, Kody.)--to make sure she wasn't leaving a 'good man'." Then forward to when Christine starts dating David. Kody says "Christine will have to shit-talk me because David can't think she left a 'good man'."
See, the SAME thing Robyn and Kody did to Preston (and Kody just told on himself as to why), Kody flips in his case with Christine and writes it off as "Yeah, she has to trash me to the kids and David and that's why I don't have a relationship with my kids." Instead of just taking accountability and growing! 🤯😡
Kody: vetted and pounded do not mean the same thing
@loriboyce942 she was on her knees, PREYing. Hat in hand. She's got customers and he's her best!
Oh please. Narcs have to tell them selves delusion bull crap so they can live in their skin. They’ll keep telling that story until if feels true. That’s their survival skills
He didn't vet her very well!
This comment is so true and very insightful…
I will forever side eye Janelle for how she handled (or didn’t handle) her son’s breakdown over the move to Flagstaff. I’ll never forget how broken he was over losing the progress he’d made in school and his social life by being told to be quiet and stop causing trouble for the family. 😢ugh
I agree..she could have stayed in LV one more year but chose kody over her son Gabriel and Gwen. Who also did not want to leave HS in her senior year
That episode was heartbreaking.
@jacquelinem6609 Janelle should have stayed in LV 1 more year so Gabe and Gwen could have graduated and as it turned out one of the cul de sac houses took over a year to sell
Good for Maddie! Kody is a liar and she knows it! She doesn't have to show her dad respect when he hasn't respected his OG 3 wives or their 13 children! I say this every post, I refuse to watch this show after Garrison's passing. The only way this show will end is if people stop watching and they're not profitable any longer to TLC. The oldest daughter of Ruby Franke is speaking out about the damage that happens when you put your children on social media to make money. There needs to be laws protecting children that have no say.
It's wonderful that Maddie felt strong enough to speak her mind at such a young age, particularly when she was getting so much backlash from the adults in her family. That's very difficult to do.
Go Maddie!! Keep calling them out
For some reason, setting healthy boundaries is kind of a new phenomenon, which is really great. So many of us gen-xers were raised with the expectations of obeying our parents unquestioningly as well - and that typically continued through college. Once out and on our own (i.e. financially independent) we started to realize how we differed from our parents, and as we had our own kids we started to question our parents actual parenting and looked at how WE wanted to parent. I’m glad that my kids are looking more critically at the world, even if it is kind of painful when they look more critically at myself and my husband. I’m glad that they are recognizing toxic relationships and where to draw lines. Our goals as parents were always to raise kids who did life better than we did, and for now I think they are on that path. ❤❤❤
I’m a boomer. I raised my kids to have their own opinion. Their own thoughts and beliefs. Bc we didn’t have that Privilage. We got beat. I remember my son saying when he was older, why didn’t you stop me from doing “that”, why didn’t you force me?” I had to laugh. No matter what you do as a parent, something will be wrong. But I never took my kid’s personally. They were their own master and I love them no matter what🤗
Well said, I couldn't agree more!
Thank you for this video Katie! It’s always nice to hear Maddie’s voice. She is articulate and says what is on her mind unapologetically. I appreciate that. You are so spot on about Kody and just how abusive and narcissistic he is. I grew up with the same father figure in my household (he was a stepfather but still traumatizing). You are also right in saying that Janelle plays a part in all of this, yet won’t admit it. Maddie is far easier on Janelle than I am on my mother for keeping my sister an I in the abusive situation until I was 15 years old and finally escaped to my Dad’s. The thing is, my mother always has justification for her actions and doesn’t ever take responsibility for anything. She was also abusive to us. I know you KNOW. I’m glad the older kids are making their own way and doing things for themselves that are healthy. My hope is that they all can work through their traumas and find peace. I know they do talk more about mental health awareness as well and I think that is great. I was very scared for all of them! I hope you have a great rest of your week! Hugs! 💖
Oh there's "SHY" Robyn again keeping her opinions to herself, not trying to control anyone or decisions or situations at all....
Shy Robyn,she seems more demanding if you ask me
@PatriciaDawson-w3v she never hid her opinions or was ever afraid to assert herself.
I made mistakes that hurt my children I take full responsibility for my stupid decisions. My blessing is I have three adult children that love me and want to still be around me. They are amazing humans in spite of me.❤
Where is child protective services when it’s clear what’s going on during these shows on TLC.
Ikr, it's nuts how much these wealthy networks get away with, out-n-out child and financial abuse, and the crushing of First Amendment rights with NDAs I'm betting!
I can't imagine that the camera crews, film crews, didn't see some questionable behaviours throughout the years.
The crews are protected by bystander laws and under the law they are not mandatory reporters. This is morally corrupt and the network may even have the crews sign an NDA and an agreement not to interfere. Now I have no clue how legal these are but few members of the crew have the money to risk their jobs or possibly future jobs to speak up.
@@thehomeschoolinglibrarian I've always wondered why they didn't intervene when Truly got so sick. And I've also wondered if they were there when Dayton had his bad accident and then didn't use the footage.
Robyn makes me sick. Horrible.
Maddie has a good head on her shoulders. She is right on the mark with her reasons for her decisions. Kody has an anger management problem and he is not safe around her children.
Janelle is silent at best when confronted with the troubled past she participated in.
No child escapes childhood without going thru some trauma. No parent escapes parenthood without inflicting some level of trauma on their children. This is 1 thing i have learned as an adult and parent.
I didn't have the guts to do and say what Madison did until I was in my 40's. I look up to her and I am on my late 50's.
Wow! You did an amazing job breaking down all the possible traumatic scenarios and consequences of the lifestyle choices of this family!! The “breaking the will” statement really made an impact. We need our will to survive as adults. I never understood patients that have a goal to break a child’s will and spirit. This video is a wild summery after watching this family from the start. What a real time social experiment that went so wrong. I feel bad for Truly! Hopefully David is the good guy he seems to be
Hurray for Maddie speaking the truth, and her truth.
Good on you Maddie,you keep thinking for yourself✌️
Frontal lobe not developed 🤣🤣 Robyn’s was and still made horrible decisions by racking up credit card bills TWICE!!
Well, obviously, Robyn’s frontal lobe never developed… so maybe she knows what she’s talking about. Real life seems so difficult for Robyn.
Robyn had a kid - at least one - before 23 (aka frontal lobe development). So she’s one to talk. 🙄
And making other people pay for her excesses! Twice.
Robyn blaming Christine for Kody not having a relationship is an evil lie and she knows exactly why they don’t have a relationship. She’s so infuriating and even more than that, she’s also partly RESPONSIBLE FOR GARRISON’S DEATH
Because she made Kody chose her over his children by being too vocal about herself rather then considering Kody and his relationship with B his kids. She forced Kody to choose and that DEVASTATED the children!
So well-expressed and accurate.
If Kody doesn't have a good relationship with his kids it's no one else's fault but his own. I have kids of my own and if one of those relationships was in bad shape I would move heaven and earth to fix it.
At the very beginning of this video, it cut and went to an ad for bad debt relief. Knowing kody, I found that absolutely hilariously ironic😂😂😂
Sorry!
@@WithoutACrystalBalloh no! Don't be sorry, I found it utterly hilarious !!! This is your livelihood, and you work mega hard at it, I have ZERO complaints and I love your channel!! I'm always here🩷🩷🩷
@@WithoutACrystalBalloh no! Don't be sorry, I found it utterly hilarious !!! This is your livelihood, and you work mega hard at it, I have ZERO complaints and I love your channel!! I'm always here🩷🩷🩷
The fact that these were not just a swat or 2 gives these physical abuse claims crediblity. Thanks Katie
Kootie is a has been. He needs to go away.
Far, far away......and he needs to stop talking.
Jail would be ideal!
A lot of parents would be happy that their kids wanted to go to church! Why did Robyn even have anything to say over it??
I actually feel for Robyn's kids ( never thought I would lol) They must watch how Kody treats his biological kids and live in fear of saying the wrong thing or having different views.
A very abusive household that Kody runs so it's no wonder the adult kids have said no thanks.
Those kids are definitely scared - they have no life skills and really are needy, in no small part because of how they were raised. They need to be set free to discover themselves and how to live in the real world so that some day they can move out without having to get married just to get away from Robyn and Kody.
I don’t think Robyn’s kids are fearful at al. I think they are entitled and snotty….especially the older 2 girls.
Agree , they are victims of this religious cult , their parents and TLC . They just like the other kids had no control what the adults did to them . With that amount of kids your going to have some that break away and find a better and fairly stable life and some are going to come out all kinds of messed up or worse as we saw with Janell’s Son .
@@MeeMawCumminsI agree. Robins kids were taken away from their father and lied to and brainwashed and imprisoned They are not prepared mentally to be out on their own. They rely totally on Robin and kody for everything. They are snotty and entitled but also mentally underdeveloped. They are children in adult bodies Not at all ready for the outside world
@@BestCoastLiferight Breanna was a bully towards Savanna.
SO GLAD you put that first part in there; someone asked about TLC, "what laws did they break". To that person:THIS. This isn't what I'd want for mine!
Maddie has always portrayed herself as a strong minded person
True about Janelle, Katie, on Janelle and her lack of accountability and self-reflection. I think Janelle used to feel smug about feeling emotionally connected to Kody. I am sure Janelle and Kody would brutally disparage Meri and Christine. I honestly think Christine sacrificed the most for that family. Janelle takes pride in having a career. Christine has a lot of traits that could have made her a successful career person.
Janelle left the family for a few years because of conflicts with Meri, so I kind of doubt she had this smugness and huge connection with Kody. Not to mention that Meri was the favorite wife for a while, that is also in the book.
Its no coincidence that kody disliked Maddie first and liked Mykelti the most and the longest. Robbin being the common dominator. Like Robin? Ill like you. Dislike Robbin? Ill disown you.
I know John Gosselin very well! We live in the same town!! As a matter of fact just seen him at the polls!! He is doing well…so are the 2 kids he has! He is a wonderful man believe it or not! Now Kate!! I don’t even want to go there. I will just say how you seen her on the show times that by 10!!!
The conversation between her and Maddie driving was like watching a role reversal. Janelle seemed more as a child asking her mom for advice. Maddie seemed the adult.
yes, Janelle puts too much pressure on her adult kids. Even Christine has had her daughters complain about this too.
Perhaps *all* the "children of TLC" would be interested in a class action lawsuit? TLC being held responsible for *ALL* the lives of the children of multiple families, that were destroyed because the TLC didn't place any importance on the health and wellbeing of the unprotected minors they forced to perform on TV.
And we all watched it happening. As entertainment.
It's time.
Robyn had no place to step in and tell Maddie what she should or shouldn’t do. They barely knew her.
I understand the wives were brainwashed, but a mother knows deep down what’s wrong and they allowed those awful things happen to their kids
She should sue them all....and sue Kody for slander and defamation. He should not be allowed to say her name publicly. All these kids should seek justice for themselves. As for the moms, I have no sympathy for them. Janelle isn't a saint. She is petty just like the other wives. I've seen it.
None of these women are without guilt. They had no regard for what they were doing to their kids Andthey all had a hand in fraudulent activities
Another thing : they vere strict that the young girls should dress sooo decent. Not showing anything. And then Christine go wild overboard dressing for Her nev man. It must have beenna bitter feeling for some of the girls
Robyn claiming to be so shy now is such bs! She was so loud and aggressive at the beginning. So what has silenced her? Kody? The fact that the OG3, their Kids, and the audience see how manipulative she is?! She was NEVER shy before!
I really like Maddie! She’s able to speak her mind and talk freely while still being respectful! I really like her and understand her point of view.
She has passion yet manages to be well spoken and precise in her point. Well done girl, you go girl!😊
In the earlier seasons when Robyn, perhaps thought she was going to be an international reality sensation, she would be the first to pipe up and the one who pipes up the most on all topics. Now that she knows we know the real Robyn, now she is "shy."
If polygamy was put on full display to the world and it's illegal how come these people aren't arrested???
You'd have to arrest every baby momma and baby daddy too.
Jenelle has been a deadbeat parent for years. She didn’t put her kids first. She once admitted to not coming home after work so she could relax and get dinner and see a movie. She kept the books, she was Kody’s right hand man. She let Kody’s wishes override the well-being of her kids. Jenelle won’t speak too badly about Kody, she was very much complicit in all his fraud schemes.
Yup guilty kootles has something on her for sure...always has something good to say about him at the end ....don't want to get him mad and take her down with him..but he will.
Exactly what I see, too.
@@Jat-j7z🎯!!!
@@Jat-j7zI agree yet, I do believe she is still very much brainwashed and cannot or will not see the light of day. It takes a long time to get out from under an abuser.
Definitely agree! I think all the moms are neglectful, terrible mothers! It is a learned behavior straight from the cult. Christine just jumped from one man to another, not caring one bit what her children thought or felt.
If nothing good has come of this polygamous family, at LEAST it's shown all these kids how they DO NOT wish to live, & ensured they don't stay in that religious cult!🤷♀️
My take on Janelle is her inability to be the "independent" woman she claims she is. She can not do anything on her own without having to cling to someone else to catch her. For example, she probably married right out of high school to get away from her parents. She moves in with Kody and Mari after her first divorce. And when Christine left the family, it appeared to me in the beginning she was trying to ride on her coat-tail and maybe become a sister-wife with Christine and David. NOW, in trying to get away from Kody, she is latching on to Maddy.
I have watched Maddie’s podcast and really enjoyed it. She is incredibly honest and mature. Amazing this young woman is so intelligent and articulate about what she has experienced and what she will tolerate and what she absolutely won’t tolerate. She is her mother’s daughter but frankly, smarter than her Mom. My two cents. Thanks for listening.
She's her mother's daughter? that's not true. Janelle put up with horrific behavior for decades and still praises Kody.
I think Janelle is smart.
It’s unfortunate the religion and lifestyle she chose.
@@BestCoastLifewell she’s definitely smart to keep her mouth shut about Kody. Let’s not forget, Jenelle was the family bookkeeper she knows all about the fraud and schemes… she was a willing participant.
@@BestCoastLife I don't think Janelle is smart or emotionally intelligent. I think Janelle played the "smart wife" but Christine is the one that walked away with money and legal rights to sue Kody. Janelle and Kody consistently made Christine believe she was a princess and not smart.
@@WithoutACrystalBallI think You are correct
I’m so impressed that Maddie at such a young age spoke up to Robyn. I fear for Aurora and Brianna if she refuses to let her kids have any thoughts of their own. I think Ari is going to be a good kick in the pants to Kody and Robyn. She seems to be a very headstrong young lady who has a mind of her own.
Ari seems developmentally delayed. Something is not right with that child
@ agreed. They’ve said a few things about her that have me wondering - she’s a wild kid who doesn’t sleep, she still uses a pacifier at age 7, she hangs on to Kody’s legs and won’t let him leave - to me it sounds like there was no discipline from Kody and Robyn. Maybe the nanny wasn’t available?
@ Something seems off about that child 🤬
It's hard to have a conversation with a narcissist. I know first hand. My dad was a narcissist & there is no reasoning with one.
Kody says exactly what he thinks, but he doesn’t want anyone else to do that. He should adopt PARROTS!!
0:43 He misspoke here and its an interesting Freudian slip. Yes, you are trying (and for a while succeeded) at downplaying those stereotypes.... But what you MEANT to say, Kodey, is that you're trying to DISSPELL those stereotypes.
More power to maddison brown she seems so well put together she articulates her own feelings and opinions with no malice or vindication and its really admirable.
It's abhorrent that parents say they love their children and then physically abuse them. The Black Baptist Church believes that if you "spare the rod you spoil the child." I do not believe in corporal punishment. Parents who practice corporal punishment are bullies, in my opinion.
Kody doesn’t seem to support his kids both emotionally or financially. Why isn’t this be spoken about? Kody is just a peacock.
Im so glad you are bringing up the accountability of the OG 3. They are very much as responsible for the exploitation of their children as Kody.
Serious question - what tlc families have not imploded? I can’t think of one!
The Litle Couple. But they were smart and only did TLC for a little bit.
That's why I say the kids should sue TLC!
They are divorced
Where I live ANY kind of corporal punishment is criminalised. Why should you be allowed to hit kids any more than other adults? They need even more protection, not less.
Robyn didn't look shy in that clip, her and Kody both make my skin crawl.
MALIGNANT NARCISSIST. What an accurate term. Kody is like a cancer to the family unit.