I think she honestly just wanted him to say I love you instead of a proposal. He wouldn’t even say that so why bother spending more time with him when he wasn’t committed to Angela either
I don’t think there is a certain general time frame for someone to fall in love. One doesn’t necessarily choose when to fall in love. It just happens. The world has created this standard that it is not “normal” to fall in love in 4 weeks, but love naturally doesn’t have a set time.
@@kallie1963 , I agree, but I also, think Nicole should want to just date him and see how it pans out, I can see why he doesn't want to full ahead jump into anything....he probably did that with Angela and he just is not ready for engagement....dating...and that's it, nothing wrong with that given the time limit....2 months is not really long enough...Hannah and Dylan have that young high school/puppy love today....and hopefully, they can keep it....but we shall see, in the real world you give it a little time....at least more that 6 weeks...
@@kallie1963 Actually he did tell her he was in love w/ her before the proposal. There is something in his brain that triggers off leading to a proposal. He is not a bad guy, but he will end up lonely if he doesn't get help. It's not ok to lead two girls on then break their hearts.
Then he has no business being on Paradise. Love is a feeling, you either have it or you don't. Earlier on than later on. Clay and Chris seem like men who string women along and are okay with keeping them off-the-market to find anyone else that could be better for them, using them, living with them until they find someone to replace them and then they start the cycle all over again. In other words, they've never been in love.
He didn't love her or wanted to move in and they live very far apart. He also never told her how he was feeling and led her on how she said in the episode. She just wanted more and didnt want to settle with a maybe. Now shes with someone great 🤷🏻♀️
@@amilehonstein1671 honestly the part with the I'm not ready to move in together made me feel like he's afraid he would have to spend money on her, what's holding his back is probably because he is broke.
@@motherspiders3913 did you not see the show ? All he was thinking about was angela lol like he never mentioned nicole was his gf or that he was talking to anyone. He just never was ready. The fact that he stayed behind at the wedding instead of leaving with nicole when she wasn't invited said it all.
Honestly, after spending such a short time together, I honestly don’t see what’s wrong with what Clay did. The dude wanted to keep dating her after the show. He just wasn’t ready to propose and get married right on the spot. He wanted to date her on a natural dating timeline
MOTHER SPIDERS he’s worth $8 million dollars from playing 9 years in the NFL. The dude isn’t broke. He has more to lose than most paradise guys if he rushes into a marriage
Lol I hate Nicole! She is so dramatic and really, she is in love with the idea of marriage rather than Clay. It literally can be anyone and she will say yes to.
Why is it all or nothing with her? You can't force someone to get to the same level as you, in the same time frame as you! If you love him why not give him a chance to get to where you are?! I don't think he's the greatest but for some reason she does and if it was true love it'd be worth giving him time to get on her level in the real world outside of the show!
He didn't love her or want to move in. It would have been a LOOOOONG distance relationship and theres also that he never told her he wasn't sure or wanted to take things slower so she was upset he led her on. But he did that to Angela as well where he talked about the future and all of a sudden he needs time to think and then just changes his mind. She didn't want to settle for a maybe and wanted more. I think thats fine. I would have left too.
Clay DOESN'T know what he wants, he has commitment issues. Even with his last girlfriend, who he's in love with still, he couldn't commit to her. Nicole is really not the brightest lol.
umm not fair. It was Clay who was all over her like a puppy dog in the beggining. She literally asked him multiple times if he was ready to start a new relationship fresh from rough break up and reassured he has moved on.
Hopsin Hopsa um, ever heard of relationship addiction??? Who in their sane brain says “I want love that makes the ocean jealous?” Right someone delusional, usually an addict.
@@ThatGmoney lol i think she was trying to make a point. The fact was she wanted to be engaged with him. She was soo confident they had something so strong. Plus she was hurt when she made the ocean phrase don't take it literally
Clay literally said he wants to leave paradise together. To me that’s the same as getting engaged. People be getting engaged on the show the break up just after. Nicole is trippin
I’m with Nicole on this only bc he’s giving her false hope about where they stand with his actions, but when she asked him how he feels he seems unsure. Also like who skips the fantasy suite (when ur coupled up) if ur confused wouldn’t u want more alone time to talk things through? Side note: clay seemed confused 24/7 on this show I don’t think he knows what he wants so it’s best that she broke things off. He would’ve strung her along for months like he did Angela 🤷🏽♀️
Not conceited! Love is very special and you can't stay with someone who doesn't love you especially for a girl, it is very hurtful, and Clay has issues
Both of them sound, feel and look like monotone. No feelings. No passion. About anything. The words feel empty. All the time, not just together. Maybe depression. I've never seen big smiles, laughter, fun. I can be serious. But not every minute.
it's actually only 2 weeks. I don't think it's realistic to expect anyone to say "I love" you so quickly, but he never even said these words to his ex girlfriend when they were looking to BUY a house and he even talked about babies with her! Clay has commitment issues and he really isn't interested in Nicole. Nicole was just someone to pass the time with, nothing more.
People aren’t obligated to get engage at the end of this. People say Clay doesn’t know want, I think it’s pretty clear what he wants, he does want to be with Nicole, but wants to take it slow, there’s nothing wrong with that, everyone moves at a different pace because for 1, being together in Paradise vs being together in the outside world are completely different as some couples actually do break up after paradise (while engaged), so taking it slow makes a lot of sense especially since you guys have only know each other for a short amount of time. Honestly, if Nicole did love Clay then she would take things slow too.
Yeah, if you REALLY love someone you don't run away that easily. I feel like some people get engaged on the show just because they feel like they have to if they want to continue dating, which is stupid, I feel like it is much more normal to want to take time to continue dating off screen
I agree with Nikole. If you know you know. I knew right away when I met my now husband, that he was the one. It was the same way for him. He just knew. Maybe not everyone is like that, but I just can’t imagine not having any idea like Clay says....
Although my heart aches for Nicole, I can understand how Clay was not ready to take commitment to that level yet. Not only were they seeing each other for less than a month, but sometimes it takes a while for a person to develop those feelings. I don’t necessarily believe in “when you know you know”. I took me about a year to know if I saw a long term future with my boyfriend. Everyone is different!
I don’t understand why people people go to the show knowing the fundamental of the show at the end to say I need more time. Everybody knows this is a couple weeks show. You have to have the mindset you only have a couple weeks to form a great connection. It really doesn’t matter from bachelor in paradise or bachelor period. DON’T go to the show knowing this is the way it is. Leave the spot for someone that could form great connections with somebody in shorter time then you. You need months to know if care enough for someone THIS SHOW IS NOT FOR YOU PERIOD.
All the people here judging Clay or Nicole dont seem to understand that they basically meet n go on dates in a short span of time, for some people it takes more time to fall in LOVE. I dont blame Clay or Nicole, i hope he gets the closure he needs with Angela and can work through things with Nicole outside of this.❤️
Everyone seems to forget how she had carried on with that other dude in the beginning, yet now she is claiming she loved Clay all along. Sorry chicka, if you love someone, you don't stick your tongue down some other dudes throat.
This was ridiculous. Paradise lasts 6 weeks tops and she was just making out with another guy a few of those weeks ago. In the real world people usually date for at least a few months before they say they love each other. So if he needs more time then I think that’s fair. Like I said just a few weeks ago she was on another date with another guy! He seems level headed and for her to end the whole relationship just because he wasn’t in love with her is stupid! Look at Colton and Cassie, it’s not always gonna end in a head over heels in love relationship!
when a guy says "having those feelings is not easy for me & it's scary" run, you don't have to move in together or get engaged, but you should love the person you're in a relationship with
Nicole I'm so proud of you for dumping Clay. He doesn't know if he's coming or going. His personality sucks. You are such beautiful and talented woman and you deserve someone worthy. It's better this way.
While I think it is ridiculous to expect anyone to say "I love you" after two weeks of "dating," Nicole was right to dump him because he was not into her and never will be. I think he likes her on a superficial level, but that's as far as it will ever go. Clay is never going to love her; the has commitment issues. The way he treated his ex should have been a huge clue to Nicole.
Maybe Clay was still thinking about how she had embarrassed him with Kristian; and Angela came to BIP and brought back memories; things changed with Clay the moment Angela arrived.
Honestly, while I think asking for more time in a relationship is reasonable. Clay did lead her on a bit. He waited till the night of the fantasy suite to express his doubts knowing how the show works. The point of the conversations before the fantasy suite is to be brutally honest. It's weird. It makes you feel like he is the type of guy to blindside a girl with a break up... Which is basically what happened with his ex I guess
Nicole has been struggling with Angela on the brain for the longest so she needed something definitive now before wasting time off camera. Or maybe she's got piñata guy on the brain and was waiting for a reason to dump Clay pronto.
LOL, I have no doubt. Truthfully all of the contestants can easily contact and hook up with each other. So there really is no need to come to BIP but if only to get paid and have the exposure.
When Nicole watches BIP and see that Clay went after his ex at the wedding and see the conversations they had, she'll realize that he wasn't over his ex. This whole time she thought his ex was the one wanting to get back with him but it was the other way around.
Love is a decision Clay, I agree about not moving in together, and getting engaged, if you need more time in those regards, but as to whether or not you love her, and want to be in a committed relationship, make a decision, yes or no. Yes, I know, love takes times to develop, and to see if two people are compatible over a period of time, but it all starts with a decision (they've spend the 2 or 3 weeks together everyday which is like 2 or 3 months in the real world when people are seeing each other equating to 2 days a week) He's not there yet, but I'm sure he would be there for the intimacy, right? Exactly
She is not for Him. A wife who doesn't let her husband speak his mind and explain himself is a monster. I would break up with a girl like that immediately without second thoughts. It's not worth my time and it's all about her. How is that a union? NO NO NO.
Clay didn’t commit or move in with Angela and they dated for 8 months, what made Nicole think he was gonna confess his love and propose to her? He didn’t do anything wrong, but be reasonable and she broke up with him like he was disrespectful.
I never thought they wpuld last. Clay still wants to be with Angela. Nicole wants this more than he does obviously. I think he was using her as a rebound.
He told Angela he was not in love w/ her. I hope she shuts that chapter closed as things will come back full circle again if she were to reconnect with him post paradise. He has issues...
I think Clay is wrong he plays with girls hearts he should be ashamed of hisself if he knew he couldn't love Nicole he should of been let her go and find some happeness somewhere not be selfish
Love is a feeling. Surely he must have felt something or not by the end. He led her on. I think once her two other love interests got themselves eliminated, she should not have run back to Clay. She abandoned her principles in that she told Clay she wanted a man to pursue her, know what he wants, be assertive. That is the last thing Clay is. I think Clay, even years from now, will be questioning and re-questioning any choice he manages to make. I wouldn’t want to be that girl. Nicole needs to wake-up and forget Clay.
Dude is just afraid of commitment. Nicole probably dodged a bullet on this one - he probably would have run out on her like he did on his previous relationship.
Clays constipated look hasn't changed since he saw Angela at the wedding...he's really trying to run from his real feelings that he still has for Angela 😂.
Clay is guy who takes love slow and there is nothing wrong with that in this case with Nicole but with his ex Angela 8 months together that is too long. Clay and Nicole both still need to grow and not ready for a committed relationship. Nicole cannot expect men to really be in love after a few weeks cause if she does then the guy is telling her what she wants to hear. Clay needs therapy cause he has trust issues.
I don't agree with Nicole leaving Clay like that. Clay wanted to keep exploring their relationship and stated he was starting to fall in love with her, which is a step in the right direction and shows the potential of growth. I think I even remember him mentioning that him saying he's starting to fall in love with Nicole went deeper than anything he said in his past relationship. Just because one person is in love, doesn't mean the other person has to be. Everyone falls in love at different speeds, and Nicole should have been more patient, especially since Clay wanted to stay with her. Nicole should have given Clay more time for his feelings to develop deeper. Look at Tayshia and JPJ. He's in love with her, but she wasn't there yet with him. Sure, they broke up in paradise, but she went after him afterwards and they ended up together. JPJ still wanted to be with her even though he's in love with her and she wasn't there yet. If Nicole really loved Clay, she wouldn't have given up on him so easily.
I don’t know what happens with a few woman’s in bachelor paradise. They are find marriage very fast. And always forget the marriage is a sacrament of God not TV SHOW.
Clay Harbor has $8 million in the bank from his NFL playing days. Unlike other contestants, he has a lot of money. Other contestants are chasing the clout to make the kind of money he already has. It’s understandable that Clay wants to be careful and not rush things. When he gets married, and gets divorced, he’ll lose a chunk of that cash
Nicole is so unrealistic. Nicole looks like an addict, she is an addict! Addict to love! Delusional, like get therapy and stop attracting broken people like Clay into your life! This was entertaining. I’m sure Nicole will look back and tell herself “damn, I was hella needy!”
I don’t get Nicole, she needs a damn reality check. Things could’ve turned out differently if Christian didn’t get kicked off. She seemed more interested in Christian than clay in the beginning. Clay was just a rebound because Nicole couldn’t get with anyone else on the beach and we all know that Clay is still secretly in love the Angela .
Without make harsh judgement calls and dramatic assumptions, I think clay simply wasn’t ready for a relationship. His previous relationship was proof of that. I think he is afraid of commitment. Back when he and his ex sat down to have that talk, he sounded a little ridiculous. It’s like he was trying to defend why his ex wasn’t right for him. With the short time span between his breakup and the show, it seems fair to assume clay was just looking for a good time and an escape from reality and probably even the hurt. I don’t think he was ready for anything serious though. I think he was looking for a distraction and maybe along the way developed feelings for Nicole. But because of everything he had been through and everything that he’d be dealing with,, time showed that he wasn’t ready for anything. Plus he needed time to get there. If I were her, I would have given him more time. She was being very h realistic. However, Nicole walking way may have been necessary to show clay they weren’t compatible.
You meet a guy at a beach who has been with his ex for 8 months and can't say "I love you" to her, nor was he ready to move in with her...then breaks up with her....what makes you think he can say "I love you" to you in weeks of being secluded on a beach? I could've told you that Nicole. And Clay moves like a turtle when it comes to relationships. Why is he even on this show? I predicted this was going to happen as soon as he entered the beach. This guy is not ready for anything. Should've been smarter.
She’s so dramatic lol this is like some telanovela shit 😂😂 like why does she have to be so extra? She seemed very dramatic hiring her entire experience on the bachelor shows
I just wanna know WHAT is so wrong with falling in love, is there a contract that says “you have to be engaged by the end of this season or you’re no longer relevant” initially I dead ass thought Nicole was just doing this for clout, she had this energy about her where it seemed like she just wanted a damn ring from anyone who would give it to her. “You know or you don’t” sis you need TIME real authentic time when the cameras aren’t up your ass and there isn’t a narrative hanging over you head.
She comes off like a desperate idiot and he's backing off because he sees how pushy she is. She's literally trying to manipulate this guy end up putting a ring on her finger! She was pushy with the show before and would not stop that silly fight with the other girl. She seems like a hot tempered mess.
Funny how he was sweating her when the other guys came in, now she’s all his and he’s hesitating. I do agree with him not rushing things though I’m just saying. I think he’s not fully over his ex
Nicole’s dramatic exit was overshadowed by her inability to run through the sand in heels
🤣🤣🤣
If he doesn’t tell his ex girlfriend of a year he loves her what makes her think he’s gonna tell her after what 4 weeks in paradise? That he loves her
16 days not 4 wks
The show is recorded totally in 2 months. You're absolutely right, he couldn't find love with his hot ex for 12 months, why he would find it in weeks?
ClairRedfeild exactly. How much you know about this person? Love is a strong word. You can‘t sell it cheap.
Hint, Nicole is a relationship addict. She went crazy in the end. Clay was like “whew” dodged a bullet
Karen Z riiiiiiight! Only relationship addicts mistaken intensity for love. I still cringe hearing Nicole sing. Ugh
Nicole is so extra and annoying like girl it takes more than 4 weeks to love someone and more than 4 weeks to propose
She was really looking forward to getting proposed to too lol. Shes a beautiful girl but she needs to mature and grow more.
I think she honestly just wanted him to say I love you instead of a proposal. He wouldn’t even say that so why bother spending more time with him when he wasn’t committed to Angela either
@@tulsipatel1594 👏👏👏
I don’t think there is a certain general time frame for someone to fall in love. One doesn’t necessarily choose when to fall in love. It just happens. The world has created this standard that it is not “normal” to fall in love in 4 weeks, but love naturally doesn’t have a set time.
I feel like she wanted a really dramatic break up...but this was like watching me relive the time I broke up with my 7th grade boyfriend after 2 weeks
A Will lol ikr 😂
Loooool, 7th grade. You didn’t know better. Nicole is relationship addict who carried this behaviour into her 30s!
OMG, I don't think Clay was wrong. He takes things slowly. It was unnecessary to make a scene, Nicole. It is a marathon, not a sprint.
he shouldn’t have gone a show about love that’s only 16 days if he knew he couldn’t get there and likes to take things slow then 🤷🏻♀️
@@kallie1963 , I agree, but I also, think Nicole should want to just date him and see how it pans out, I can see why he doesn't want to full ahead jump into anything....he probably did that with Angela and he just is not ready for engagement....dating...and that's it, nothing wrong with that given the time limit....2 months is not really long enough...Hannah and Dylan have that young high school/puppy love today....and hopefully, they can keep it....but we shall see, in the real world you give it a little time....at least more that 6 weeks...
Perla Serrano obsoletely! How do you know you “ love” this person in less than 2 month? 🤷🏻♀️
@@kallie1963 Actually he did tell her he was in love w/ her before the proposal. There is something in his brain that triggers off leading to a proposal. He is not a bad guy, but he will end up lonely if he doesn't get help. It's not ok to lead two girls on then break their hearts.
Then he has no business being on Paradise. Love is a feeling, you either have it or you don't. Earlier on than later on. Clay and Chris seem like men who string women along and are okay with keeping them off-the-market to find anyone else that could be better for them, using them, living with them until they find someone to replace them and then they start the cycle all over again. In other words, they've never been in love.
The way she leaves looks like a scene from a tv show
.....it is a tv show😂
Sorry I know what you mean just felt like making that joke.
@@grayk7455 haha.. Same thought 😂
Avery 😂😂😂😂💀💀💀
She wanted him to chase after her i think 😂
Daaaang what a bummer that Nicole didn't give Clay more time. What she says to him sounds a bit selfish...
Clay is probably still in love with his ex girlfriend🙄
Angela, Clay and Nicole are all addicts man. Look at them... well, more entertainment for us.
yuk
Off course he still loves her
“ i want someone to love me, like the ocean would be jealous” 😂😂😂😂
Kloe Kardashian posted that
I died when she said that 🤣💀
She gave up on him easily, it's his win.
He didn't love her or wanted to move in and they live very far apart. He also never told her how he was feeling and led her on how she said in the episode. She just wanted more and didnt want to settle with a maybe. Now shes with someone great 🤷🏻♀️
@@amilehonstein1671 honestly the part with the I'm not ready to move in together made me feel like he's afraid he would have to spend money on her, what's holding his back is probably because he is broke.
@@motherspiders3913 did you not see the show ? All he was thinking about was angela lol like he never mentioned nicole was his gf or that he was talking to anyone. He just never was ready. The fact that he stayed behind at the wedding instead of leaving with nicole when she wasn't invited said it all.
Honestly, after spending such a short time together, I honestly don’t see what’s wrong with what Clay did. The dude wanted to keep dating her after the show. He just wasn’t ready to propose and get married right on the spot. He wanted to date her on a natural dating timeline
MOTHER SPIDERS he’s worth $8 million dollars from playing 9 years in the NFL. The dude isn’t broke. He has more to lose than most paradise guys if he rushes into a marriage
The ocean would be jealous LOL. She's overdramatic.
Lol I hate Nicole! She is so dramatic and really, she is in love with the idea of marriage rather than Clay. It literally can be anyone and she will say yes to.
Maivlias Xiong I know I felt that same way and I'm not seeing anything they have in common.
Hate ?
Why is it all or nothing with her? You can't force someone to get to the same level as you, in the same time frame as you!
If you love him why not give him a chance to get to where you are?!
I don't think he's the greatest but for some reason she does and if it was true love it'd be worth giving him time to get on her level in the real world outside of the show!
Bingo!
@@MsDesiree39 The way she dumped him sorry i just laughed sooo hard. She was not having it damn just like that gone.
she haring on Angels so much and the woman wasw just doing her thing that I can't feel sorry for her. she made fun of Angela's size. bye Nicole
He didn't love her or want to move in. It would have been a LOOOOONG distance relationship and theres also that he never told her he wasn't sure or wanted to take things slower so she was upset he led her on. But he did that to Angela as well where he talked about the future and all of a sudden he needs time to think and then just changes his mind. She didn't want to settle for a maybe and wanted more. I think thats fine. I would have left too.
Clay's face bothers me at this point
Clay DOESN'T know what he wants, he has commitment issues. Even with his last girlfriend, who he's in love with still, he couldn't commit to her. Nicole is really not the brightest lol.
umm not fair. It was Clay who was all over her like a puppy dog in the beggining. She literally asked him multiple times if he was ready to start a new relationship fresh from rough break up and reassured he has moved on.
Hopsin Hopsa um, ever heard of relationship addiction??? Who in their sane brain says “I want love that makes the ocean jealous?” Right someone delusional, usually an addict.
Liveforothers Clay dodged a bullet on this one. How does it take three weeks to make a life partner. Nicole is love addict. I shudder.
@@ThatGmoney lol i think she was trying to make a point. The fact was she wanted to be engaged with him. She was soo confident they had something so strong. Plus she was hurt when she made the ocean phrase don't take it literally
@@ThatGmoney bye felicia!
Clay literally said he wants to leave paradise together. To me that’s the same as getting engaged. People be getting engaged on the show the break up just after. Nicole is trippin
He is so not into her not because he refuses to say "I love you" at this point but because his body language and actions say he is not interested.
I’m with Nicole on this only bc he’s giving her false hope about where they stand with his actions, but when she asked him how he feels he seems unsure. Also like who skips the fantasy suite (when ur coupled up) if ur confused wouldn’t u want more alone time to talk things through?
Side note: clay seemed confused 24/7 on this show I don’t think he knows what he wants so it’s best that she broke things off. He would’ve strung her along for months like he did Angela 🤷🏽♀️
This.
All he was doing was asking for more time!!!??? I dont get it!!!
Yes Nicole, you deserve someone who loves you the ocean would be jelous
Not conceited! Love is very special and you can't stay with someone who doesn't love you especially for a girl, it is very hurtful, and Clay has issues
“I deserve a love that is so deep, the ocean would be jealous” WHEN I SAY I DIED..😂
She's a good BSer! Lol.
Both of them sound, feel and look like monotone. No feelings. No passion. About anything. The words feel empty. All the time, not just together. Maybe depression. I've never seen big smiles, laughter, fun. I can be serious. But not every minute.
She expected him to know if he was in love with her after only one month?!! She's crazy!
it's actually only 2 weeks. I don't think it's realistic to expect anyone to say "I love" you so quickly, but he never even said these words to his ex girlfriend when they were looking to BUY a house and he even talked about babies with her! Clay has commitment issues and he really isn't interested in Nicole. Nicole was just someone to pass the time with, nothing more.
@@23magneta Well, Nicole said One Month the night before! That's where I got the info.
Is she 16???? He is the mature realist here
Bro clay really is something if he wasn’t ready why come on the show knowing how it ends ...
So true
I thought you didn’t have to get engaged if you didn’t want to tho
Crissy San bc he’s a confused dude smh 😂
People aren’t obligated to get engage at the end of this. People say Clay doesn’t know want, I think it’s pretty clear what he wants, he does want to be with Nicole, but wants to take it slow, there’s nothing wrong with that, everyone moves at a different pace because for 1, being together in Paradise vs being together in the outside world are completely different as some couples actually do break up after paradise (while engaged), so taking it slow makes a lot of sense especially since you guys have only know each other for a short amount of time. Honestly, if Nicole did love Clay then she would take things slow too.
Clay doesnt seem ready for a relationship. He always seems indecisive to me...he would drive me crazy. lol
Nicole forget that guy ... you deserve so much more than this insecure one !!!!
Yeah, if you REALLY love someone you don't run away that easily. I feel like some people get engaged on the show just because they feel like they have to if they want to continue dating, which is stupid, I feel like it is much more normal to want to take time to continue dating off screen
She’s cheesy af
most girls are straight u idiot
Brian P I said cheesy you dumbfuck
Lmao
Kali Lane wth why u going off damn chill *smh*
AJ's Baddies lmaoooo why are you commenting you’re irrelevant
they've only known each other for a month, realistically how can someone love someone in a few weeks? lol
16 days not a month
it's just not right at all.i rushed in and now am praying to God to give me the strength to crawl out of it.
I guess when you spend all day with someone everyday for that amount of time, it’s not hard....
I agree with Nikole. If you know you know. I knew right away when I met my now husband, that he was the one. It was the same way for him. He just knew. Maybe not everyone is like that, but I just can’t imagine not having any idea like Clay says....
Your experience is rare.
Why were they not on the final ep tell all?
Although my heart aches for Nicole, I can understand how Clay was not ready to take commitment to that level yet. Not only were they seeing each other for less than a month, but sometimes it takes a while for a person to develop those feelings. I don’t necessarily believe in “when you know you know”. I took me about a year to know if I saw a long term future with my boyfriend. Everyone is different!
I don’t understand why people people go to the show knowing the fundamental of the show at the end to say I need more time. Everybody knows this is a couple weeks show. You have to have the mindset you only have a couple weeks to form a great connection. It really doesn’t matter from bachelor in paradise or bachelor period. DON’T go to the show knowing this is the way it is. Leave the spot for someone that could form great connections with somebody in shorter time then you. You need months to know if care enough for someone THIS SHOW IS NOT FOR YOU PERIOD.
Everyone goes on for the money and experience nobody goes on there to actually get engaged!
All the people here judging Clay or Nicole dont seem to understand that they basically meet n go on dates in a short span of time, for some people it takes more time to fall in LOVE. I dont blame Clay or Nicole, i hope he gets the closure he needs with Angela and can work through things with Nicole outside of this.❤️
Everyone seems to forget how she had carried on with that other dude in the beginning, yet now she is claiming she loved Clay all along. Sorry chicka, if you love someone, you don't stick your tongue down some other dudes throat.
a. she was never secure
b. he is not into her
WSR WeeklyPicks straight up
This was ridiculous. Paradise lasts 6 weeks tops and she was just making out with another guy a few of those weeks ago. In the real world people usually date for at least a few months before they say they love each other. So if he needs more time then I think that’s fair. Like I said just a few weeks ago she was on another date with another guy! He seems level headed and for her to end the whole relationship just because he wasn’t in love with her is stupid! Look at Colton and Cassie, it’s not always gonna end in a head over heels in love relationship!
Y’all she said “I want a love so deep the ocean would be jealous” get it right... like the way y’all say it doesn’t make sense
I think she wants an engagement just for the sake of being able to say "HEY LOOK EVERYBODY!! IM ENGAGED!" Pass.
Nicole was like “ight imma head out” 😂😂😂😂
Nicole: "I see the future"
Me: "oh do you now"
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when a guy says "having those feelings is not easy for me & it's scary" run, you don't have to move in together or get engaged, but you should love the person you're in a relationship with
Nicole I'm so proud of you for dumping Clay. He doesn't know if he's coming or going. His personality sucks. You are such beautiful and talented woman and you deserve someone worthy. It's better this way.
While I think it is ridiculous to expect anyone to say "I love you" after two weeks of "dating," Nicole was right to dump him because he was not into her and never will be. I think he likes her on a superficial level, but that's as far as it will ever go. Clay is never going to love her; the has commitment issues. The way he treated his ex should have been a huge clue to Nicole.
Maybe Clay was still thinking about how she had embarrassed him with Kristian; and Angela came to BIP and brought back memories; things changed with Clay the moment Angela arrived.
Honestly, while I think asking for more time in a relationship is reasonable. Clay did lead her on a bit. He waited till the night of the fantasy suite to express his doubts knowing how the show works. The point of the conversations before the fantasy suite is to be brutally honest. It's weird. It makes you feel like he is the type of guy to blindside a girl with a break up... Which is basically what happened with his ex I guess
Nicole has been struggling with Angela on the brain for the longest so she needed something definitive now before wasting time off camera. Or maybe she's got piñata guy on the brain and was waiting for a reason to dump Clay pronto.
I got a surprise for u lol. Both mr pinyata lol and her are from same city. Am sure by now they linked up
LOL, I have no doubt. Truthfully all of the contestants can easily contact and hook up with each other. So there really is no need to come to BIP but if only to get paid and have the exposure.
That was so embarrassing for her soul
I see Nicole and Peter together....she should go on the bachelor and find Peter
Clay loves his ex still.He played her this entire time.Clay is lame.
Oh girl, stop. He's just not that intro you!!!
Is he supposed to marry her after 4 weeks lol
Good on u Clay
When Nicole watches BIP and see that Clay went after his ex at the wedding and see the conversations they had, she'll realize that he wasn't over his ex. This whole time she thought his ex was the one wanting to get back with him but it was the other way around.
That's no surprise the guy is not over his xx at least he was honest about!
Love is a decision Clay, I agree about not moving in together, and getting engaged, if you need more time in those regards, but as to whether or not you love her, and want to be in a committed relationship, make a decision, yes or no. Yes, I know, love takes times to develop, and to see if two people are compatible over a period of time, but it all starts with a decision (they've spend the 2 or 3 weeks together everyday which is like 2 or 3 months in the real world when people are seeing each other equating to 2 days a week) He's not there yet, but I'm sure he would be there for the intimacy, right? Exactly
She is not for Him. A wife who doesn't let her husband speak his mind and explain himself is a monster. I would break up with a girl like that immediately without second thoughts. It's not worth my time and it's all about her. How is that a union? NO NO NO.
Clay didn’t commit or move in with Angela and they dated for 8 months, what made Nicole think he was gonna confess his love and propose to her? He didn’t do anything wrong, but be reasonable and she broke up with him like he was disrespectful.
Nicole saw the bull$hit... happy she saved herself
I said "Run girl" the whole time. I'm glad she did.
I never thought they wpuld last. Clay still wants to be with Angela. Nicole wants this more than he does obviously. I think he was using her as a rebound.
He told Angela he was not in love w/ her. I hope she shuts that chapter closed as things will come back full circle again if she were to reconnect with him post paradise. He has issues...
I think Clay is wrong he plays with girls hearts he should be ashamed of hisself if he knew he couldn't love Nicole he should of been let her go and find some happeness somewhere not be selfish
Well said.
sometimes you just want to head to the local pub
Love is a feeling. Surely he must have felt something or not by the end. He led her on. I think once her two other love interests got themselves eliminated, she should not have run back to Clay. She abandoned her principles in that she told Clay she wanted a man to pursue her, know what he wants, be assertive. That is the last thing Clay is. I think Clay, even years from now, will be questioning and re-questioning any choice he manages to make. I wouldn’t want to be that girl. Nicole needs to wake-up and forget Clay.
She wants what she wants... that tells me it's not love.
Dude is just afraid of commitment. Nicole probably dodged a bullet on this one - he probably would have run out on her like he did on his previous relationship.
Clays constipated look hasn't changed since he saw Angela at the wedding...he's really trying to run from his real feelings that he still has for Angela 😂.
Yeah even a blind person can see him He still loves his ex"
@@yolandamontalvo3557 Lmaooo 😭😭😭😭
Clay is guy who takes love slow and there is nothing wrong with that in this case with Nicole but with his ex Angela 8 months together that is too long. Clay and Nicole both still need to grow and not ready for a committed relationship. Nicole cannot expect men to really be in love after a few weeks cause if she does then the guy is telling her what she wants to hear. Clay needs therapy cause he has trust issues.
I don't agree with Nicole leaving Clay like that. Clay wanted to keep exploring their relationship and stated he was starting to fall in love with her, which is a step in the right direction and shows the potential of growth. I think I even remember him mentioning that him saying he's starting to fall in love with Nicole went deeper than anything he said in his past relationship. Just because one person is in love, doesn't mean the other person has to be. Everyone falls in love at different speeds, and Nicole should have been more patient, especially since Clay wanted to stay with her. Nicole should have given Clay more time for his feelings to develop deeper. Look at Tayshia and JPJ. He's in love with her, but she wasn't there yet with him. Sure, they broke up in paradise, but she went after him afterwards and they ended up together. JPJ still wanted to be with her even though he's in love with her and she wasn't there yet. If Nicole really loved Clay, she wouldn't have given up on him so easily.
I don’t know what happens with a few woman’s in bachelor paradise. They are find marriage very fast. And always forget the marriage is a sacrament of God not TV SHOW.
This guy is not ready for a relationship . He is wasting everyone’s time
NICOLE YOU ARE SO BEAUTIFULL YOU NOT NEED INSECURY MAN .YOU DESERVE MORE GO GO FLYER
Clay Harbor has $8 million in the bank from his NFL playing days. Unlike other contestants, he has a lot of money. Other contestants are chasing the clout to make the kind of money he already has. It’s understandable that Clay wants to be careful and not rush things. When he gets married, and gets divorced, he’ll lose a chunk of that cash
I laughed a little too hard at this.
This is the fakest crap I've seen.
Nicole is so unrealistic. Nicole looks like an addict, she is an addict! Addict to love! Delusional, like get therapy and stop attracting broken people like Clay into your life! This was entertaining. I’m sure Nicole will look back and tell herself “damn, I was hella needy!”
Smh go for prices and Amazon
I don’t get Nicole, she needs a damn reality check. Things could’ve turned out differently if Christian didn’t get kicked off. She seemed more interested in Christian than clay in the beginning. Clay was just a rebound because Nicole couldn’t get with anyone else on the beach and we all know that Clay is still secretly in love the Angela .
He is probably gay undercover, afraid to come out.
@JournalingThrough literally 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Personally I think Clay is hiding something? Like maybe he isn’t into women and he struggles with that🤔
This show is Fake man! It is all about having camera time. Clay all season loves Nicole and when it comes to the big question he chokes. Bruh.
Nicole is dramatic but Clay plays games. He needs to not date until he figures it out. People go to that show to find Love not just a fling.
Without make harsh judgement calls and dramatic assumptions, I think clay simply wasn’t ready for a relationship. His previous relationship was proof of that. I think he is afraid of commitment. Back when he and his ex sat down to have that talk, he sounded a little ridiculous. It’s like he was trying to defend why his ex wasn’t right for him. With the short time span between his breakup and the show, it seems fair to assume clay was just looking for a good time and an escape from reality and probably even the hurt. I don’t think he was ready for anything serious though.
I think he was looking for a distraction and maybe along the way developed feelings for Nicole. But because of everything he had been through and everything that he’d be dealing with,, time showed that he wasn’t ready for anything. Plus he needed time to get there. If I were her, I would have given him more time. She was being very h realistic. However, Nicole walking way may have been necessary to show clay they weren’t compatible.
He is glistening a lot.
That's sweat bro
Her proposal sounded like a whole load of bs
lol they're only out there for 3 weeks. If I was Clay I wouldn't even feel bad, dodged a bullet
This girl is so extra, is it really that much of a deal breaker if he doesn’t love her after a month?
You meet a guy at a beach who has been with his ex for 8 months and can't say "I love you" to her, nor was he ready to move in with her...then breaks up with her....what makes you think he can say "I love you" to you in weeks of being secluded on a beach? I could've told you that Nicole. And Clay moves like a turtle when it comes to relationships. Why is he even on this show?
I predicted this was going to happen as soon as he entered the beach. This guy is not ready for anything. Should've been smarter.
Ouch
She’s so dramatic lol this is like some telanovela shit 😂😂 like why does she have to be so extra? She seemed very dramatic hiring her entire experience on the bachelor shows
So happy she broke things up!!! It’s true what she said when u know U FUCKING KNOW!!!
This is why you dont share youre body without being married. This feels shit
I just wanna know WHAT is so wrong with falling in love, is there a contract that says “you have to be engaged by the end of this season or you’re no longer relevant” initially I dead ass thought Nicole was just doing this for clout, she had this energy about her where it seemed like she just wanted a damn ring from anyone who would give it to her. “You know or you don’t” sis you need TIME real authentic time when the cameras aren’t up your ass and there isn’t a narrative hanging over you head.
Clay only loves himself
She comes off like a desperate idiot and he's backing off because he sees how pushy she is. She's literally trying to manipulate this guy end up putting a ring on her finger! She was pushy with the show before and would not stop that silly fight with the other girl. She seems like a hot tempered mess.
She made such a fool of herself unfortunately
Funny how he was sweating her when the other guys came in, now she’s all his and he’s hesitating. I do agree with him not rushing things though I’m just saying. I think he’s not fully over his ex
Clay has major commitment issues
she thinks this is high school musical
“A love that the ocean would be so jealous.” Fucking love addict right there! Nicole, get therapy!!! Loooool
someone get him a goddamn paper towel or something so he can wipe off his sweat
They weren't on the show.
I was wondering why?
Gili R I saw on Sara and Michael show they cut that part of reunion because it was still same as proposal
Nicole pliiiiz
The way she ditched him lol i can't deal!!! like a scene from a soap opera. She is so dramatic!
i can’t stand how overdramatic she can be i’m sorry but it’s too much