I'm working with the local civil protection director to make a prototype of a torpedo style rescue floatation device to be donated and mounted on natural wood posts at our most historically dangerous beaches. These torpedoes are abusively priced ($150 USD), not available locally here in México and not available in all-natural materials but I'm working to change that. We need a local bioplastics supplier with materials well suited for this purpose with sheet plastic that can be manually heat-formed over a mold. And for a much larger scale impact, we need an estimate of the cost of mold that could be used with recycled plastics, bioplastics and biodegradable plastics also to injection mold them for us. If we can raise the funds to pay for the mold ourselves, the devices can be relatively very inexpensive which will make them very accessible and help save lives everywhere they're used.
The Aoki system can look good on paper, but can be incredibly unstable. To get around the lack of conditioning (heating pot) their startup engineers often have to hand file the injection cores to get acceptable container quality - very primitive. The 4 station method by Nissei ASB is far more versatile and stable.
@@poruatokin it really depends on what mold your trying to run. 3 station has its advantages. Some mold designs benefit with conditioning though. Most round style molds, simple oval containers are fine with without conditioning. Aoki’s really shine when in a good facility with good water quality, and climate control. A lot of fluctuating atmosphere conditions can make 3 stage unstable. 4 station can be easier to control when in a sub prime processing environment. You can use the conditioning to combat day to day atmosphere fluctuations. Process windows on Aoki’s are generally very narrow due to the fact there is no conditioning. Advantages with Aoki is faster cycle times. More complex molds designs sometimes require shaving injection cores. This is due to how hot runners flow which is always problematic in single stage processes. In 4 station this usually accomplished by using conditioning to create even wall distribution before blowing. So tooling design is not as critical. Aoki believes if the preform is prefect there is no need for conditioning. The downside to not using conditioning high attention to tooling design. Aoki has a long history, and skill available to R+D in house to accomplish this. It is also easier to train technical staff, especially junior technicians to run 3 station. 90% of time with a Aoki it’s never a process problem.
@@andrewvisiko5250 I agree with some of your comments but the Zero Cooling upgrade in the last couple of years on ASB's molds has completely negated any practical cycle time advantage that Aoki might have had for a while. Back in the day when there were trade exhibitions - remember those days? - Aoki was very famous for demonstrating ultra fast cycle times of containers that had absolutely no practical application. Their tactic was aimed solely at beguiling newcomers in the industry, but those in the know are not fooled so easily. As for molds - a huge disadvantage for users of Aoki is the first time you damage an injection core. The replacement "blank" then has to be hand profiled to the original - a skilled and time consuming job that dents profits. As an engineer I have always found it laughable that they still hand shape injection tooling. It also means you can't simply swap positions of injection tooling as each one is specifically shaped for its specific cavity - as you rightly point out, their simple hot runner has flow issues that means every cavity fills and cools not quite evenly. By comparison, ASB molds are plug-and-play, a spare core can be inserted and production is back up in minutes with no special attention. You are perfectly correct about the Aoki instability in real world conditions. Unfortunately, the perfect factory does not exist, which is why I stated previously that "3-station may look good on paper". In all the converters I have visited, I have spent many hours with their technicians all over the world that have experience of both systems and without exception they always favor the ASB 4-station approach because it makes their lives much easier resulting in far greater long-term efficiency. Aoki's main marketing tool is aggressive financing deals in a desperate attempt to undercut competitors, a tactic that has bitten them in the ass more than once. Meanwhile ASB is listed on the first section of the TSE so has to strictly follow financing compliance regulations. By your knowledge, I guess you know that the two companies are linked by family and are based only 20km from each other. On the surface, the relationship has been bitter, but I suspect that in the background there is something of mutual benefit.
The advantages of 1-step ISBM are many and varied (compared to 2-step and other processes). 1-step is vastly more versatile for container shapes (by the 4-station method of Nissei ASB), and is often used to make high value premium products. 2-step is okay for high volume low value products Horses for courses
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I'm working with the local civil protection director to make a prototype of a torpedo style rescue floatation device to be donated and mounted on natural wood posts at our most historically dangerous beaches.
These torpedoes are abusively priced ($150 USD), not available locally here in México and not available in all-natural materials but I'm working to change that.
We need a local bioplastics supplier with materials well suited for this purpose with sheet plastic that can be manually heat-formed over a mold. And for a much larger scale impact, we need an estimate of the cost of mold that could be used with recycled plastics, bioplastics and biodegradable plastics also to injection mold them for us. If we can raise the funds to pay for the mold ourselves, the devices can be relatively very inexpensive which will make them very accessible and help save lives everywhere they're used.
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conclusion: These machines are used to make the thinnest bottles possible, which lead to lowered production costs.
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This is AOKI Machine
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Actually ISBm machine 4stages process 1.. injection mold 2..heating pot. 3.. blowing. 4..ejject. But this video 3 stage how
The Aoki system can look good on paper, but can be incredibly unstable. To get around the lack of conditioning (heating pot) their startup engineers often have to hand file the injection cores to get acceptable container quality - very primitive.
The 4 station method by Nissei ASB is far more versatile and stable.
@@poruatokin it really depends on what mold your trying to run. 3 station has its advantages. Some mold designs benefit with conditioning though. Most round style molds, simple oval containers are fine with without conditioning. Aoki’s really shine when in a good facility with good water quality, and climate control. A lot of fluctuating atmosphere conditions can make 3 stage unstable. 4 station can be easier to control when in a sub prime processing environment. You can use the conditioning to combat day to day atmosphere fluctuations. Process windows on Aoki’s are generally very narrow due to the fact there is no conditioning. Advantages with Aoki is faster cycle times. More complex molds designs sometimes require shaving injection cores. This is due to how hot runners flow which is always problematic in single stage processes. In 4 station this usually accomplished by using conditioning to create even wall distribution before blowing. So tooling design is not as critical. Aoki believes if the preform is prefect there is no need for conditioning. The downside to not using conditioning high attention to tooling design. Aoki has a long history, and skill available to R+D in house to accomplish this. It is also easier to train technical staff, especially junior technicians to run 3 station. 90% of time with a Aoki it’s never a process problem.
@@andrewvisiko5250 I agree with some of your comments but the Zero Cooling upgrade in the last couple of years on ASB's molds has completely negated any practical cycle time advantage that Aoki might have had for a while.
Back in the day when there were trade exhibitions - remember those days? - Aoki was very famous for demonstrating ultra fast cycle times of containers that had absolutely no practical application. Their tactic was aimed solely at beguiling newcomers in the industry, but those in the know are not fooled so easily.
As for molds - a huge disadvantage for users of Aoki is the first time you damage an injection core. The replacement "blank" then has to be hand profiled to the original - a skilled and time consuming job that dents profits. As an engineer I have always found it laughable that they still hand shape injection tooling. It also means you can't simply swap positions of injection tooling as each one is specifically shaped for its specific cavity - as you rightly point out, their simple hot runner has flow issues that means every cavity fills and cools not quite evenly.
By comparison, ASB molds are plug-and-play, a spare core can be inserted and production is back up in minutes with no special attention.
You are perfectly correct about the Aoki instability in real world conditions. Unfortunately, the perfect factory does not exist, which is why I stated previously that "3-station may look good on paper". In all the converters I have visited, I have spent many hours with their technicians all over the world that have experience of both systems and without exception they always favor the ASB 4-station approach because it makes their lives much easier resulting in far greater long-term efficiency.
Aoki's main marketing tool is aggressive financing deals in a desperate attempt to undercut competitors, a tactic that has bitten them in the ass more than once. Meanwhile ASB is listed on the first section of the TSE so has to strictly follow financing compliance regulations.
By your knowledge, I guess you know that the two companies are linked by family and are based only 20km from each other. On the surface, the relationship has been bitter, but I suspect that in the background there is something of mutual benefit.
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it is good idea but is not fast
The advantages of 1-step ISBM are many and varied (compared to 2-step and other processes). 1-step is vastly more versatile for container shapes (by the 4-station method of Nissei ASB), and is often used to make high value premium products.
2-step is okay for high volume low value products
Horses for courses
Nice going.... Just copying the original from Aoki
interesting
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