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- What have Fluke been up to since the infamous GSM mobile phone bricking incident back in Oct?
Not only have they fixed it, but they are giving an unprecedented exclusive look at their new pre-production board! - Наука та технологія
Respect to Fluke!
Fluke has always been very serious. Back in the 1990s one of their model 74, or 77 meter production runs had an error where the unit would read zero at 480 VAC mains. Ouch! We all got recall notices, and our labor unions, and companies got notices and anyone with the bad units got a new meter. One of the copper mines had some medium voltage test point in an electrical vault. Probably once a year some poor bastard would start trying to probe it with some form of voltage tester. The old Wiggy solenoid testers would become like a zip gun and fly apart (usually right in someone's face). Cheap meters would blow up and the user was usually off the the hospital to have bits of his meter removed from his face & chest. The Fluke had all its caps under a fiber reinforced piece and they just produced smoke, and started to melt. I think the voltage was in the 34,000 volt range. I recently picked up a data logging Fluke 89 V. I LOVE IT! I buy used components and will test them en masse, and I will do time over voltage or current tests, so it is just great!
Nice one Dave, your power of influence never ceases to amaze me! - Great work, well done to Fluke too, always great to see a big company listening to its customers :)
Good to know Fluke is still a good company, more companies can learn from that.
Back in the days when Fluke was still based in Holland, I lived near the development location.
It already had a good reputation back then.
I was more impressed with those new Fluke CAT III/IV probes than the modifications of the meter itself.
How so? Curious what it is about them
Fluke and Tek are just awesome products. Great review Dave!
Just unbelievable how much it affects the audio on the camera.
I knew Fluke would come through with a fix for the GSM problem. Can't wait to get one of these newly revised meters!
I'll bet it was indeed a JTAG reprogramming problem, probably a pull-up or pull-down not spec'd right, or not spec'd at all, on the processor. It could have just been one resistor needed for this fix, the others might be from on-going notes for other minor fixes, noise reduction, etc. Often companies keep running notes for "if we rev this again we will add that change" sort of thing and wait until a rev becomes necessary for a big problem. Cheers, thanks.
Yes, it's been on the shelves for quite some time now.
@Vlakpage Oh, and I was told, but forgot to test, the new probes are supposed to have a different colour rubber under the outer skin of the lead, so you can easily see if the wire has been nicked!
@pieznice29 Hmm, possibly. I don't know the exact mechanisms at play there. But I suspect it's more likely to b a new supplier and/or a improved design.
I try this GSM test on my 87-V and it did not show any alteration or turn off at all.
The new LCD´s segments look brighter with and without ilumination. I love it
Fluke do great job!
@emactan I've used those soft plastic pp3 connectors before and I agree- they're pants, after a while they become all bendy and can easily fail. I'd recommend using the hard plastic connectors they last a lot longer and are easier to clip and unclip from the battery.
Looking forward to the Soldering Tutorial Part 3 - SMD Video.
I like the new probes even if they are longer. I have experience with grey rubber ones which came with Fluke 117: after two years of daily use just at the bench the cables break right at the end of the probe. And it wasn't only on my meter. Anyway I reused them and put small hook clips at the end. The cable is quite thick for that but it works and looks professional :)
TÜV = Technischer Überwachungsverein = technical verify company. It's a german company who tests devices in many test ranges. GS = Geprüfte Sicherheit = verified security. This means that the device fullfies security aspects, for example if it overheats or gets wet. If these symbols are missing, that those companies did not check this device.
Usually they are very reliable. (The Ü is not pronounced like "yoo" but like french u, somewhere between u and e) :)
When I learned German, my stepdad told me to pronounce the umlauts by putting my mouth in an 'o' shape and say 'e'. try it.
@Nadrealis I agree, the previous build was much nicer to look at!
You can easily compare boards (or any two similar items) by crossing your eyes but maintaining focus, like you're viewing a stereogram. Line up the two images and the differences will immediately become obvious.
It seems like the oscillator frequency is a bit lower in the new one. Probably due to slightly different component values. That's if there is even an analog audio generator. For all I know, it could be a digital signal from the micro.
thanks dave and fluke
i am getting a fluke soon. a 117C to be exact. looks to be a good meter and i have heard good things from them.
A comparison with the 87V Max would be interesting too.
@DanFrederiksen Stop being a fool, this meter costs much more than $10 to produce.
If you don't like Fluke prices, don't pay them, vote with your feet.
Now I'm worried. I bought a used 87-V, hasn't arrived yet but once it does I shall check which revision it is at.
I repair mostly household electronics, but also plenty of cellphones, it'll be quite aggravating if I can't use the meter around cellphones.
@kekejojo1212 No, not at all. It is very common to have unpopulated parts in designs. The new board has all new parts that did not have footprints before.
Nice to see a responsible company. That's too rare nowadays.
yeah it is. fluke are awesome.
@hitachi088 Because they give you a "lifetime" warranty. And they actually keep spare parts, and provide an excellent repair and support service, even for 20 year old outdated models. Those things cost money.
My ears are bleeding, thanks Dave.
Let's see how good the new camera setup is.
Just being a little redundant ... Any updated flukes out in the markets yet ?
Dave- nice Adam Savage quote on your T- Shirt.
@DanFrederiksen bottom part of the square wave will turn upward when measuring at lower resolutions.
Also, it has terrible noise filtering and even when on it's default V/div setting you will see noise on it's measurements.
It also has a .4%+/- accuracy. The fluke 179 has a .09%+/- accuracy. IIRC the 87-5 has a .025%+/- accuracy, even better than the 179.
You're comparing an oscilloscope to a multimeter, two different tools that have different abilities. It's like comparing apples to
I like that they fixed the problem but I think I like the old PCB look better (^:! I like the crispness and contrast of the design and the traces look great. I guess you can never have it all!
Oh well, at least they revised the damn thing! When was the last revision of it?!
@DanFrederiksen I do both. But in this case I never had any problem with paying good money for good quality precision and well supported tools. Quality components do not come cheap, quality service does not come cheap, precision does not come cheap.
Companies are in business for the sole purpose of making money. They will charge what the market fior that product is willing to pay. Show me the price for the next nearest meter to a Fluke 87V in terms of quality and precision...
Wow!
They just send you 500$ multimeter :O
Im jelaous!
Its your second or third 87V? :o
@Bushougoma I am lead to believe that if you are not happy with your GSM afflicted unit, Fluke will take care of you. But, officially, yes, I believe it's going to be a "silent" revision.
Dave, are there any differences in backlight color tone between the old 87V and the new one?
Like one is cold white and the other is warmer or something like that?
It's looks like the new version not have the 'Ultra sonic data output' and all the other mode printet on the back anymore.
You should send your camera/mic to Fluke as well :D
@pieznice29 Most of the deterioration I've seen in later model Flukes (not the really old 80xx series) has been deterioration of the polarizing film on the front.
I thought only phones in the UK used the noisy GSM system. I thought in different countries they used other systems that don't interfere, as up until now I've only heard that phone noise in UK videos. I think maybe wrapping the microphone in tinfoil and grounding it would stop the interference, I had to to that with a stereo I had because there was nearly ALWAYS a GSM phone being used near it.
Where the hell can I find schematics of Fluke 87V rev 10?
Is there a way how to know which unit is fixed? Like after sertain SN etc..??
nice one sir
Is revised version released yet?
TUV is a certified internal auditor or audit. I guess that gave up an external audit company. Can u make a vid rev/teardown of an UPS units some day
Hi
any homemade fix for this issue?
greetings
Can I replace lcd with newer on fluke 28II? This LCD has a low viewing angle.
Maybe time to repeat this experiment with 4G or 5G ?
Another idea Dave, how about opening the meters up to take a look at how the various meters employ RF shielding !! One word "Tempest".
It looked like you were using FRS Family Radio Service radios which are limited to around 500mW UHF at least that's the restriction in the USA.
I wonder what my 1KW HF amp would do to your fluke ?? lol
I have fluke 87-V, i not opened, but external is identical to second in video, also have the new probes, but is affected of gsm issue, is there any metod to resolve this problem without to send it to Fluke?
I need the green lcd for my Fluke 28II !!!
Just block Dan from ever commenting again - all he ever does is spew nonsense and disrespect you Dave. Cheers for the new video - nice to see another Nokia fan ;)
Dave did you forget that the camera's mic is sensetif to GSM
one track under switch connected to pad is different, its curved now
So what is Flukes fix for the rest of us? I bought an 87V five months ago!
@626hunters Yeah, I like anything that bucks the "made in china/asia" trend.
hi,what means "non of u.s parts"? which one do you prefer? i would like to buy one. both costs the same price?.
Ako to je s pripojením motora Y / D okolo 23 minúty ? Ako si som to nepochopil .
I've got a very technical question for any electronics engineers out there: looking @6:51 freeze frame in the video, I notice 2 capacitors marked 223KZS (upside down) in the lower right part of the picture. In my 87V which has a Rev 13 PCB, those are replaced by minuscule SMT ones presumably of the same capacity and tolerance. How can this be ? How is it that they can shrink capacitors this much, whilst maintaining the exact same values ? How is this physically possible ? Thanks for any educated reply.
That's very interesting, in joe smith's videos I saw that the new board still retained the large contact pads despite having the smaller components.
Caps with different chemical composition can have different cap value and thus different sizes
@DanFrederiksen
Yes, I think you are wrong comparing the price of a Fluke meter to a Rigol scope, they are different beasts in different markets, you cannot and should not compare the two. Sure, if you think Fluke's are too expensive say so, tell your dealer, tell Fluke directly, tell the world. Heck, I think Flukes regional pricing is insane. But don't use silly comparison to a Rigol scope.
Hi Fluke lovers. I bought a new Fluke 87 V on Ebay and was made in 2005 and i tried my GSM phone round it and it just killed it !!!!!!!!! if i`d seen this video before i wouldnt buy it ,i would think first about the GSM however i still like Fluke and their products but I have a question. on my new Fluke under the nap and over the probes holes there is "INTEL HIT" typed in red , why and what that means ? any one knows any about it,,I`ll really appreciate it.thanx
You bricked my computer!
hmm its kind of interesting that the holes for those parts were actually there already. it makes me wonder if fluke knew about this problem and decided not to use the extra parts to save money, but left the holes there just in case it became a problem. just seems a little suspicious.
@EEVblog
the pcb is blacker
@DanFrederiksen oranges.
Also, I've never seen a Rigol under 394.99. An 87-5 goes on ebay for 200. Either way, I'd never buy a Rigol. If I'm going to buy an oscilloscope I'd get an SDS6062 on the low end and if i'm feeling rich I'd delve into Agilent's new line. Either way, I support Fluke and if I have to pay a little more, I'd rather give it to a company in the USA.
Do you sell the LCD for Fluke 87 Multimeter or do you know of any stores you can sell?
If the LCD is missing segments, the zebra strip may be the cause. Cleaning its contact area with pure ethanol or isopropanol may fix it.
@DanFrederiksen ng voltages when set to 10V/div even when calibrated. So there will always be a +/- 1bit error.
Rigol uses cheap ADC's and the resolution is terrible. They also do calculations based on the display..not the measured voltage. Although it's JUST above an 8 bit resolution..it's really not that much. The quality is JUST enough to get you by.
I'm not even going to go into the problem with it's 'infamous' 200mv/div problem. You can give the damn thing a perfect square wave and the
Oh shit now I have to open my 87 to check the revision...... :-(
It is not a V version, so that must be why.
Whoa, deinterlacing problems.
Hello fellas, I have a question, Has anyone by mistake or have done it to just test meter. Can the Fluke 87V survive if set it in ohm range and test high voltage AC/DC?
mine burnt. Fluke wanted $290 to repair it. Why by a Fluke if you cannot repair it.
happens all the time :D
@megasmart1337 Stop being so eager! :->
@DanFrederiksen Oscilloscope prices? Hardly. An entry level agilent is going to cost you well over a grand in USD. Anyway, I'll HAPPILY pay fluke 200+ for a multimeter. It's made in the USA, engineer run, and they CARE about QUALITY! One of the last good companies around. I hope Fluke stays around for a long, long time.
Blink, man! Blink!
lol "wear protection" :D
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Just a thought, could the difference in LCD be due to age of your old meter? Such as bleaching of the colour from light and the contrast reduction caused by decay of the actual crystals in the display.
Even ossies like stuff made in the U.S.
LOL up to this vid i used to think FLUKE is German company :D
@DanFrederiksen You brought it up though. If you didn't mean to compare them, why bring them up in the first place? You obviously know that a multimeter and an oscilloscopes are two different tools used for different situations. Try comparing a Rigol to an Owon SDS6062. Try comparing it to another oscilloscope. You berate Fluke by saying you can get an oscilloscope for that price? If you're not comparing, what are you doing?
The interference is technically called RFI
The I in RFI stands for interference.
@avalon449 Three words: transparent aluminum foil.
I really hate the 87's flimsy battery clip. Very disappointed in Fluke. I start worrying every time I have to change the battery.
@DanFrederiksen Well, if you REALLY want to get into it. We can. Here we go. Since you've used a Rigol as an example, I'm hoping you'll stick behind them once I get on them about certain things, but I'm sure you'll abandon them as soon as you realize you shouldn't be comparing a company like Fluke to Rigol (Not saying Rigol is a terrible company, just in terms of quality it's really a no-brainer.)
Anyway, here we go. Since the DS1052E only uses an 8bit resolution, it has a terrible time measuri
@DanFrederiksen to a multimeter.
Dave gets so pissed up at absolutely nothing, it's hilarious
nice
Fluke is not doing a good job of testing their products if they let something like this slip by...
240 p we meat again
keep cilcking 6
@DanFrederiksen I'm really not going to get into it with you because I can see there's no point. You complained about the price of a Fluke then Brought up a Rigol as an example. If you understood what I'm saying you would realize why you're not making any sense.
If you would've complained about Fluke then named a company that makes multimeters at the quality of Fluke for a decent price THEN you'd have a decent argument. For example, THIS would be a decent argument: "I can't believe that Fluke
so they sold us a broken product, then released a new version with a very tiny difference and expect us to buy it again and thank them while they screw us.
This isn't planned obsolescence here, this is some abstract bug that someone on a forum found by just stumbling on it. The 87-V also has a lifetime warranty, so if you damage it by fiercely rubbing your GSM phone all over your meter for 20 minutes until it fails, Fluke will probably send you a new one. Relax.
Fluke released a production run of the cheaper 74 77 & 79 series that had an error where they were reading zero at it was either 480AC volts or 277VAC. I am pretty sure it was 480 volts. I know it AC. They recalled all the bad batches, but imagine if you had seen a reading of "0.001" on your meter and then tangled with 480 volts AC! This was back in the 1990s, and Fluke recalled the bad meters and sent out new ones.
@DanFrederiksen are charging these ridiculous prices for multimeters, __________ charges half the price for the same quality products! Ridiculous!"
But no, you complained about a multimeter then brought up the fact that you can buy an oscilloscope. Congratulations. You're one of THOSE people. "Psh, 400 dollars? For that price I can buy myself a laptop!"
Sure, you can buy the oscilloscope, but this isn't about oscilloscopes. I don't see how you don't understand. You're comparing an oscilloscope
i think you're smarter than recording interlaced video.
(just a joke :p)
WTF is wrong with UA-cam, Ive been getting "New Video uploaded messages" all day. They are all old !!
@DanFrederiksen Yes you did, because you are a troll and a fool. You wouldn't know quality if it bit you on the arse. Go troll somewhere else.