So according to Andrew Einstein Dillon, if a player's action causes another to be concussed it IS a reportable offence. I wonder how the AFL would deal with such a situation if the concussion resulted from a knee to the head while the "offending" player was in the process of taking Mark of the Year.
Kane Cornes using Fremantles loss to Hawthorn as an argument against Darcy & Jackson is hilarious. They lost in the midfield BECAUSE Darcy & Jackson weren’t both playing.
How many weeks in a row can David King call Sean Darcy Sam Darcy. They can't even remember names yet they're so opinionated. Always gets names wrong it's ridiculous
@@danieljoyce4015 some do yeah, nick could go back to half back. The issue is more he doesnt play differently from those positions. Like he cant shake a tag by beating them in the air and on the lead for example. He'd be going to halfback to basically play the same roll, just starting in a different spot
Callum Mills was only meant to play 60-70 minutes but with Justin McInerney getting injured had to play the whole game. This is the reason he experienced soreness.
Kingy is making sense, Lachie Neale doesn't get moved when tagged. They back him in and keep the magnets in place and cop his 20-25 disposals instead of 35. Kane is also right in that Nick has 2-3 positions he can impact in so why have him struggling on ball. Both points make sense.
I think Kings was a bit off - the best players do get help. Look at Gary Ablett jnr - one of the greats but his whole midfield used to block for him. Cameron Ling even mentioned it in an interview back in the day. If the pies midfield would help him out Daicos would be unstoppable
@@AT-tz6jzUnfortunately pies midfield have hardly fired a shot all season. Losing Adams and having Mitchell injured most of the season means Daicos has had to do all the contested stuff.and he's Also trying to run it out. Usually you can't do both, Degoey injured also hurts as he can pick up the slack but hasn't been fit enough to do that. Not to mention a constant changing forward line which is also struggling for structure and presence. Whatever could go wrong has gone wrong.
Issue for daicos is their entire midfield as a group look for him in every single contest. Idk if you've watch much of their center bounce work but literally every single tap if one of them get it they're already looking for him. That is why him struggling with tags is so much worse for them. Because it foils their entire midfield plan. Tagging bont doesnt matter because he'll go forward and play like a key forward. Neale will still get 25 and one of the other A tier mids will run a riot. Like the saints game where clug absolutely smashed them whilst they were too busy keeping neale to 20.
@@Tosicc567 pies haven't had a fit Degoey Pendlebury Mitchell ECT so they haven't had anyone to stand up and help Nick out. As you said they always look for him and that's because I think he's tried to take on the midfield on his own because he's kinda had to. He's only just recently become a more permanent mid aswell you cannot succeed in such a manner will be interesting to see how they switch things up for the rest of this year and how they set up next year. It's been bad this year but I think they would have learnt a lot.
im not a collingwood fan but the daicos call was a bit off target, lachie neil cant shake a tag and is next to useless when he is being tagged same thing for oliver and both of those have far better mids around them
Neale gets tagged in some way literally every game. He got hard tagged against the crows lmao had his best game this year. Look up the last time Neale got tagged to under 7 touches and moved off ball...
I don't know Jason McCartney's son's situation. Whether he grew up supporting North or GWS. He is in the GWS Academy but that is all I know. But to say if John Blakey came back to North a couple of years earlier Nick would have been a very good chance to play for North is naïve. Nick grew up supporting the Swans. He was in the last years of his high schooling in the time they are talking about & even if John had gone at that time Nick probably would have stayed in Sydney as a boarder.as to move schools would have disrupted his last two to three years. The reality is Nick was never going to North. There is another reason he would not go to North. What did they have to offer at the time in the way of chances of success?
Every time they call Sean Sam, it makes me sad. He is the main talking point and they constantly call him Sam. It's not just these guys, it's all AFL media
The problem with outcome over action is the history of the player doesn't play a role, Bedford's tackle on a player that's never suffered a concussion probably has a different outcome
McCartney's son may be not be even be eligible for the GWS academy depending on what part of Sydney the family lives in. I doubt very many AFL players and high level staff actually live in the GWS zone in western sydney. The Giants home ground itself is right on the eastern boundary of their academy zone
The problem for Nick is he really is our only centre clearance player at the moment. We need Pendles, De Goey (and Mitchell when he returns) to ease the burden so opposition teams are competing against more than one dangerous mid.
lol Kingy, there is no way Daicos wins the brownlow this year , won't even come close unless by some miracle the Pies win the next 6 and he gets 3 every game !
Kane doesn't seem to 100% grasp why the two players got off on appeal. The appeals board made no judgement on whether the tackles were legal, they simply were not convinced that the AFL were able to satisfy all components of what constitutes a dangerous tackle in their arguments
Adelaide's issues is the midfield and ruck especially when laird at centre bounces and O'brian in infective at best. Smith is our only liability down back and massive at that.
So if the MRO adjudicates on concussion as the outcome and not the action, does that mean that Marshall, who legitimately jostled for the ball with Paddy McCartin, should have been reported. What would happen with a similar incident with today's interpretation?
sorry kingy but which hall of famers consistently beat the tag? ablett always got beaten by crowley. whenever bont gets tagged he goes forward. tagging is easy and nearly impossible to beat. moving him to a different position to challenge the tagger is the best way out of it
@@CL-gd3igevery team had tagged back in the day. Gary regularly beat them. Isaac smith said they put two taggers in him once at Hawthorn and he had 44 and a few goals
Why would Freo trade and A grade defender for draft picks when we already have a great hand this year and are trying to push for a flag? That's the opposite of what we are trying to do. We wanna trade out the picks for ready made A graders to come in. Usually Kane is pretty smart but that's an odd idea.
Kane : 'I am worried this game is getting less physical and going to become non contact' Next minute 'How can we expect Nick Dacious to cope with how physical the game is, were being to hard on him!' Okay Kane...
Let's do the maths: there are around 120 tackles a match; 9 matches a round; 18 rounds = 19440. 6 players before this weekend had done time for dangerous tackles. 6/19440 = it is entirely IRRATIONAL to pretend this is the start of a slippery slope
I dont believe Macrae is saying Daicos + the team will spend all their energy trying to eleviate the tag, he's saying bring it on, so I don't know what Kingy means by saying Naicos needs to prove himself by playing better than the tagger, he most certainly will play through his skin tagger or not. Hawks can worry about Daicos and the pies can worry about winning the game With Kane on this one
I think everybody is forgetting the responsibilities that the AFL have in terms of Occupational Health and Safety law. We know we cannot eliminate concussion as a risk in its entirety, but the responsibility and duty of care as an organisation is something the AFL and clubs cannot neglect of ignore. The litigation has already started and will get worse. I do believe that three weeks is an excessive penalty for what is in all other scenarios, a pretty fair tackle, but the reality is that a player will now miss atleast a week under concussion protocols as a result of this tackle, a fair and reasonable consequence would be a week suspension. I do not believe this sort of incident should be taking out a player for multiple weeks. It just feels a bit unfair when one of our players is forced out with concussion, and another received two weeks for a tackle where the player wasn't even concussed. The entire tribunal system does need urgent reform.
@@samantha-jane4424yes exactly, waivers won't hold up if the player eventually choose to sue. I agree with your original comment too - Dangerfield gets off for a pretty dangerous tackle, Harrison Jones gets a week for a similar tackle. Toby Bedford gets 3 weeks for a textbook tackle and Issac Heeny gets a week for punching someone in the face. What?!
Nah I understood it. When pittonet plays, he racks ups so many hitouts, contested possessions and clearances but carlton tend to lose. So champion data's metrics froth the numbers he's getting, but the impact he has on games is inaccurately measured
@@robsonbennett-cochrane2004 thats the thing though, it has nothing to do with pittonet as he cant control his midfielders not knowing how to defend stoppage situations
The game is on the brink of its death bed. Things are progressively getting worse at a rate I never expected to see. If it doesn't change it's course within 5 years it'll be completely unwatchable.
Kingy has won 2 premierships as a player and knows the game better than you who obviously has NEVER tasted success in a professional sport now WHO is the Muppet genius comment maker 😊😊😊
Why don't we just make AFL players sign a waiver staying that they cannot sue the afl for any concussion related injuries cause by playing the game. Easy
@@Franz08088 There's obviously inheritant risk with playing a contact sport. The game has already mate extensive concessions on the way it's played in order to reduce the risk however its impossible, in a contact sport, to eliminate all risk. The players know this and accept this when they put their hand up for the draft.
They don't prevent concussion. What we do desperately need is diagnostic medical imaging available at the venues for club and independent medical staff. This has been in place in the United States for many years now as standard.
The question is who is a smater coach sam or pies coach? Pies coach playing games saying we hope they play finn as we can just move nick forward! But your problem pies is no nick dominating no pies! Just because finn has been named does not mean he plays! Pies wont no till 1 hour before game starts! Hope pies have a better plan b moving nick forward as if that does happen it means hawks are winning the midfield battle and that will be game over! The smartest coach wins this game! See if im wrong!!!
So according to Andrew Einstein Dillon, if a player's action causes another to be concussed it IS a reportable offence. I wonder how the AFL would deal with such a situation if the concussion resulted from a knee to the head while the "offending" player was in the process of taking Mark of the Year.
Kane Cornes using Fremantles loss to Hawthorn as an argument against Darcy & Jackson is hilarious.
They lost in the midfield BECAUSE Darcy & Jackson weren’t both playing.
How many weeks in a row can David King call Sean Darcy Sam Darcy. They can't even remember names yet they're so opinionated. Always gets names wrong it's ridiculous
The Bont got tagged two weeks ago and moved forward. What are you talking about!
If Nick moved forward and kicked 3-4 goals they'll straight away forget their take and act like it was an amazing move😂
Bont is actually a good forward though, he has size and can take contested marks. Nick is unironically yet to take a contested mark in his career
@@Tosicc567 gun forward. I’m just saying good players get moved all the time from a tag
@@danieljoyce4015 some do yeah, nick could go back to half back. The issue is more he doesnt play differently from those positions. Like he cant shake a tag by beating them in the air and on the lead for example. He'd be going to halfback to basically play the same roll, just starting in a different spot
Callum Mills was only meant to play 60-70 minutes but with Justin McInerney getting injured had to play the whole game. This is the reason he experienced soreness.
Kingy is making sense, Lachie Neale doesn't get moved when tagged. They back him in and keep the magnets in place and cop his 20-25 disposals instead of 35.
Kane is also right in that Nick has 2-3 positions he can impact in so why have him struggling on ball.
Both points make sense.
I think Kings was a bit off - the best players do get help. Look at Gary Ablett jnr - one of the greats but his whole midfield used to block for him. Cameron Ling even mentioned it in an interview back in the day. If the pies midfield would help him out Daicos would be unstoppable
@@AT-tz6jzUnfortunately pies midfield have hardly fired a shot all season. Losing Adams and having Mitchell injured most of the season means Daicos has had to do all the contested stuff.and he's Also trying to run it out. Usually you can't do both, Degoey injured also hurts as he can pick up the slack but hasn't been fit enough to do that. Not to mention a constant changing forward line which is also struggling for structure and presence. Whatever could go wrong has gone wrong.
Issue for daicos is their entire midfield as a group look for him in every single contest. Idk if you've watch much of their center bounce work but literally every single tap if one of them get it they're already looking for him. That is why him struggling with tags is so much worse for them. Because it foils their entire midfield plan. Tagging bont doesnt matter because he'll go forward and play like a key forward. Neale will still get 25 and one of the other A tier mids will run a riot. Like the saints game where clug absolutely smashed them whilst they were too busy keeping neale to 20.
@@Tosicc567 pies haven't had a fit Degoey Pendlebury Mitchell ECT so they haven't had anyone to stand up and help Nick out. As you said they always look for him and that's because I think he's tried to take on the midfield on his own because he's kinda had to. He's only just recently become a more permanent mid aswell you cannot succeed in such a manner will be interesting to see how they switch things up for the rest of this year and how they set up next year. It's been bad this year but I think they would have learnt a lot.
I love these two when they disagree, so respectful to each other while in totally disagreement. But it's actually kinda funny 🤣
im not a collingwood fan but the daicos call was a bit off target, lachie neil cant shake a tag and is next to useless when he is being tagged same thing for oliver and both of those have far better mids around them
Neale gets tagged in some way literally every game. He got hard tagged against the crows lmao had his best game this year. Look up the last time Neale got tagged to under 7 touches and moved off ball...
Nick has only played 60 games he has done a lot so far what were kingy his first 60 games like games first 60 games like
I don't know Jason McCartney's son's situation. Whether he grew up supporting North or GWS. He is in the GWS Academy but that is all I know. But to say if John Blakey came back to North a couple of years earlier Nick would have been a very good chance to play for North is naïve. Nick grew up supporting the Swans. He was in the last years of his high schooling in the time they are talking about & even if John had gone at that time Nick probably would have stayed in Sydney as a boarder.as to move schools would have disrupted his last two to three years. The reality is Nick was never going to North. There is another reason he would not go to North. What did they have to offer at the time in the way of chances of success?
He is in the Sydney Academy, not GWS.
@@tb7667 Well then that is a huge conundrum isn't it
@@wolftone57 He is a North supporter and seems more likely to go there than Blakey was.
Dillon is a disaster, has been since day 1.. AFL media needs to call him out..
David King makes Kane look like the best AFL pundit going around . Kane must have got the short straw having to put up with this flog
Every time they call Sean Sam, it makes me sad. He is the main talking point and they constantly call him Sam. It's not just these guys, it's all AFL media
My god. You have to be miserable to make Kane Cornes look cheerful and reasonable.
The problem with outcome over action is the history of the player doesn't play a role, Bedford's tackle on a player that's never suffered a concussion probably has a different outcome
McCartney's son may be not be even be eligible for the GWS academy depending on what part of Sydney the family lives in. I doubt very many AFL players and high level staff actually live in the GWS zone in western sydney. The Giants home ground itself is right on the eastern boundary of their academy zone
The problem for Nick is he really is our only centre clearance player at the moment. We need Pendles, De Goey (and Mitchell when he returns) to ease the burden so opposition teams are competing against more than one dangerous mid.
lol Kingy, there is no way Daicos wins the brownlow this year , won't even come close unless by some miracle the Pies win the next 6 and he gets 3 every game !
Kane doesn't seem to 100% grasp why the two players got off on appeal. The appeals board made no judgement on whether the tackles were legal, they simply were not convinced that the AFL were able to satisfy all components of what constitutes a dangerous tackle in their arguments
Adelaide's issues is the midfield and ruck especially when laird at centre bounces and O'brian in infective at best. Smith is our only liability down back and massive at that.
So if the MRO adjudicates on concussion as the outcome and not the action, does that mean that Marshall, who legitimately jostled for the ball with Paddy McCartin, should have been reported. What would happen with a similar incident with today's interpretation?
"imagine cox" ~ Kane Cornes 2024.
sorry kingy but which hall of famers consistently beat the tag? ablett always got beaten by crowley. whenever bont gets tagged he goes forward. tagging is easy and nearly impossible to beat. moving him to a different position to challenge the tagger is the best way out of it
If Ablett only got beaten by Crowley then he beat tags regularly don't you think🤦
@@stevelozevski8151 wasn't as many hard taggers back then. macaffer also beat him. this is off the top of my head. there's more
@@CL-gd3ig the most laughable comment I've seen in a while. We had players that were taggers every week. There is hardly a tag now🤦
@@CL-gd3igevery team had tagged back in the day. Gary regularly beat them. Isaac smith said they put two taggers in him once at Hawthorn and he had 44 and a few goals
@@itsWAHOO2012who was Hawthorns taggers bet you can't name them.
Laura "helicopter mum" Kane has been trying to destroy the fabric of Aussie Rules since she was promoted to her position last year
Maybe she was a netballer.
Frizzy. You got it in ONE. See my comment above.
Why would Freo trade and A grade defender for draft picks when we already have a great hand this year and are trying to push for a flag? That's the opposite of what we are trying to do. We wanna trade out the picks for ready made A graders to come in. Usually Kane is pretty smart but that's an odd idea.
Kane : 'I am worried this game is getting less physical and going to become non contact'
Next minute
'How can we expect Nick Dacious to cope with how physical the game is, were being to hard on him!'
Okay Kane...
Swimming Kane actually said something funny 😂
Let's do the maths: there are around 120 tackles a match; 9 matches a round; 18 rounds = 19440. 6 players before this weekend had done time for dangerous tackles.
6/19440 = it is entirely IRRATIONAL to pretend this is the start of a slippery slope
I dont believe Macrae is saying Daicos + the team will spend all their energy trying to eleviate the tag, he's saying bring it on, so I don't know what Kingy means by saying Naicos needs to prove himself by playing better than the tagger, he most certainly will play through his skin tagger or not. Hawks can worry about Daicos and the pies can worry about winning the game
With Kane on this one
Pendlebury on Cripps is a stupid comparison for the Daicos tag
I think everybody is forgetting the responsibilities that the AFL have in terms of Occupational Health and Safety law. We know we cannot eliminate concussion as a risk in its entirety, but the responsibility and duty of care as an organisation is something the AFL and clubs cannot neglect of ignore. The litigation has already started and will get worse. I do believe that three weeks is an excessive penalty for what is in all other scenarios, a pretty fair tackle, but the reality is that a player will now miss atleast a week under concussion protocols as a result of this tackle, a fair and reasonable consequence would be a week suspension. I do not believe this sort of incident should be taking out a player for multiple weeks. It just feels a bit unfair when one of our players is forced out with concussion, and another received two weeks for a tackle where the player wasn't even concussed. The entire tribunal system does need urgent reform.
Simple, Get the players to sign a waiver. You want 400k- 1.2mill a year, these are the risks - you in or you out?
@@npd6225 which won't hold up in court, as a waiver doesn't exempt you from your obligations under the law. So no, not simple.
@@samantha-jane4424yes exactly, waivers won't hold up if the player eventually choose to sue.
I agree with your original comment too - Dangerfield gets off for a pretty dangerous tackle, Harrison Jones gets a week for a similar tackle.
Toby Bedford gets 3 weeks for a textbook tackle and Issac Heeny gets a week for punching someone in the face.
What?!
@@samantha-jane4424 Simple, they’re out. Football isn’t for everyone. Especially professional football.
So in your opinion they were pretty fair tackles but give them a week anyway. Weird logic
kane made no sense with that pittonet point
Nah I understood it. When pittonet plays, he racks ups so many hitouts, contested possessions and clearances but carlton tend to lose. So champion data's metrics froth the numbers he's getting, but the impact he has on games is inaccurately measured
@@robsonbennett-cochrane2004 thats the thing though, it has nothing to do with pittonet as he cant control his midfielders not knowing how to defend stoppage situations
As one of us who have watched and loved the game since the 70s, I’m starting to panic over where our game is heading.
Panic lol. Go outside and touch some grass. Youll be fine buddy.
@@thetraveldrunksoon just touching the grass will be a reportable offence too
The game is on the brink of its death bed. Things are progressively getting worse at a rate I never expected to see. If it doesn't change it's course within 5 years it'll be completely unwatchable.
cajones or kahuna?
Kane still upset power lost to gold coast Noah Anderson was to good for them hahaha
David King is a footy muppet. Every player can have a bad game . Thats why its called a game . Some times you win , sometimes you lose !
Kingy has won 2 premierships as a player and knows the game better than you who obviously has NEVER tasted success in a professional sport now WHO is the Muppet genius comment maker 😊😊😊
Why don't we just make AFL players sign a waiver staying that they cannot sue the afl for any concussion related injuries cause by playing the game. Easy
If I sign a waiver that says "I allow Rudimental13 to own me as a slave for eternity." That doesn't make it legal for you to own me as a slave.
@@shramo No because slavery is illegal. Playing AFL and accidentally getting injured isn't. People sign injury waivers all the time
Waivers generally don't survive court if it's made out to be a workplace safety issue.
@@Franz08088 There's obviously inheritant risk with playing a contact sport. The game has already mate extensive concessions on the way it's played in order to reduce the risk however its impossible, in a contact sport, to eliminate all risk. The players know this and accept this when they put their hand up for the draft.
@@shramothat wasn't the example you thought it was
Would we see helmets / head gear being mandated in the game
They don't prevent concussion. What we do desperately need is diagnostic medical imaging available at the venues for club and independent medical staff. This has been in place in the United States for many years now as standard.
If they invent one that works...
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO KEN BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO KANE
The question is who is a smater coach sam or pies coach? Pies coach playing games saying we hope they play finn as we can just move nick forward! But your problem pies is no nick dominating no pies! Just because finn has been named does not mean he plays! Pies wont no till 1 hour before game starts! Hope pies have a better plan b moving nick forward as if that does happen it means hawks are winning the midfield battle and that will be game over! The smartest coach wins this game! See if im wrong!!!
Another load of gossip. Really no insight. What about some research, or an interview with an expert, something, instead of the same rehash.
Daicos overated player
Would you have him in your side though?