Betrayal at Istvaan III (Sons of Horus vs Emperor's Children) - Horus Heresy Battle Report Ep 1
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
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Our first every Horus Heresy battle report! Dave takes control of the traitor Sons of Horus sent down to hunt the remaining loyalist Emperor's Children.
"My history's a little hazy, Cassius, but aren't the Loyalists meant to lose the battle of Istvaan III?"
"Yes sire. Uh... forgive me, sire."
"Not at all. I rather like surprises."
"ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?"
"ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?"
"IS THIS NOT WHY YOU ARE HERE?"
I want a video game set during the Great Crusade/Horus Heresy.
There is betrayal at calth on steam if you want to play that.
Get on it, GW
I love the paint job on those Emperor's Children, great job Lee.
Just as an FYI - if you're using 7th edition rules in general and want to use the general purpose HH Age of Darkness missions the current missions are in HH5: Tempest [pg 164-169] and the Taghmata Army List book. The mission table that's in Betrayal was written with 6th edition in mind and a few of the missions have been replaced or reworked both to work with 7th edition rules and to reflect general playtesting feedback the FW team has gotten over the past couple of years.
The missions in Betrayal still mostly work but the updated table is a lot more interesting in the context of HH armies and has quite a lot of variety. Granted, since you're doing an Isstvan III narrative it does make sense to use Betrayal missions, but, y'know, just sayin'.
All that said - great to see you guys finally getting the 30k batreps out! With so many people picking it up after the Calth box this seems like it's going to be a great year for Horus Heresy games!
This batrep is the first one in ages that made me watch it til the end, great job!
Hahaha, around 44:00 mark, those devastators falling back AND shooting their missile launchers...missiles wildly flung in the streets. Great stuff!
Great Batrep! Been waiting for this and it was awesome.
Couple of big rule things for me was firstly you guys forgot the rending on the accelerator autocannons; there were definitely three dead marines that you rolled armour saves on, it didn't change the game but good to know. The second thing was the Paragon Blade; everyone is talking about the strength increase but don't forget Murderous Strike causing instant death.
Tactics wise I think the Sons of Horus could have been way more aggressive. None of the units were supporting each other apart from the Vets and Terminators who then split up. It looked like Dave focussed too much on the wrecked vehicle weapons. Sure the first volley killed a bunch of EC missile launchers but then a fury of the legion attack killed 5 marines later. Imagine both of your squads moving up the field together doing that. There are plenty of bodies there so I think you can afford to put them front and centre.
A good win from the EC. Great use of your squads in rhinos!
There's not a scratch on those bikes they are Fantastic , Thanks guys
This is how battlefield should look like! damn!
I, for one, appreciate the disclaimer/notice/update that Dave took the time to include in the video (the one regarding the rules and being new to them). Can only get better guys and I'm really excited to see the rest of this series - I may even resub to the vault! Either way, FOR THE EMPEROR AND DORN! FOR THE IMPERIUM!
The Sons of Horus have a greenish blue color to their armor... these guys look like Salamanders
I remember how excited I was when this video came out. HH on MWG! I miss it
Personally I like it when they forget the rules, it adds a humerous stupidity to the battle (love the banter)
It's finally here! Keep it up! This rocks my socks.
At last. Thank you miniwargaming! We need more Horus heresy. For Sanguinius and the Emperor!
+Mihail Krevskiy And you'll get it! We have two more coming out on Monday, and two more next Friday, with more Path to Glory on Wednesday.
+miniwargaming Loving the Horus Heresy game but so stoked for Path To Glory! Keep up the good work MWG team
Horus Heresy!!! Nice..
Thanks for the play thru guys, really been waiting for this. I do not have the chance to play 40k much so watching you guys is quite a nice substitute.
This was my first battle report ever, and i have to say i really enjoyed you guys playing. Maybe maybe i will sign up for the vault. Have a nice day :)
Couldn't be more pleased to see this. Thanks guys :-D
Big fan of you guys, glad im a vault member and helping you folks make these videos and enjoy yourselves :)
Emperor's Children deserved to win just for getting the color scheme more correct on models.
+ydin9 ¿Purple with gold?
+ydin9, you are so right.the moment I saw the "green Sons of Horus" I thought "what is this crap, they are not salamanders they should be painted sea green".
+greekrailfan Ocean green.
greekrailfan
They were too busy trying to find the MWG chapter rules from their codex to concentrate on fighting properly
+ydin9 totally agree. Apparently this is the Dark Angels secret all along. They ripped off the Sons of Horus color scheme.
Awesomely painted armies. The sons of Horus almost look like salamanders. Lees army looks amazing. I can't wait for more 30k battle reports.
The Sons of Horus look like Salamanders. Need a more jade green.
+Megad00mer Wait til you see the Salamanders! But in all honesty, none of them are perfect. We just do the best we can.
They look phenomenal! I would be proud to own that army. I just immediately thought Salamanders when I saw em. No disrespect intended. Much respectings (word?) for the armies and what you guys do.
+Megad00mer I think I would suggest more of a "Rotting Flesh" green - something more putrid or dull, to resemble seaweed. Perhaps then it will contrast better against the more vibrant and vivid greens used by the Salamanders. Still, they look badass.
yeah i thought they where a paler shade of green. still look the nuts tho
Yeah, I think its the same problem as with Alpha Legion. They both look great, but Lunar Wolves should have a bluer (non english speaker, has bo real idea of the real term.) color. While Alpha Legion should have more green on them.
Awesome looking models! Love to see more of them! Keep up the good work:)
Hey guys, just wanted to say here before checking if anyone said it on the main site, but as of last week or so Veterans do in fact have implacable Advance! The New FAQ gave it to them! Thankfully, as you said, kill points make this somewhat of a non-issue, but thought you guys would like to know!
+relloz6 Yup, which is great! They thankfully know that by the second game that is in the Vault. -Matthew
+miniwargaming Ah, sorry, got called away before I could finish watching, guess that's my fault for jumping the gun!
That emperors children praetor makes me want to start an army! It looks amazing! Also anyone know where to get those wing bits that are on the front of the model!
I’m watching this again in May 2020. It seems fitting that MWG’s first 30k game would feature the two armies most affected by power inflation. All Legiones were pretty much balanced - UNTIL Book 7.
I miss the excitement of 30k. MWG did a great job getting people into the setting. I wish they would play 30k more nowadays.
30k>40k
Both armies are so beautiful...That Emperor's Children dude is a true son of the Pheonicean!
"It's green vs purple and it will look pretty..." -Matthew 2016
Anyone else kind of want some voice over during the turn title cards? Like having Dave or Lee shouting orders or pleas of terror as their marines as the camera flies overs? Would love to hear Dave shouting, "Death to the Corpse King and his Scions!" with a mic filter on as we sweep over.
Yes! Mycaelis jetbikes are my favourite variant of jetbikes, i love the sleek design of them. glory to the 3rd death to the emperor’s foes!
nice batrep. I didn't mind the errors so much thus time because they made the game a lot closer than it should have been. loved the painted armies as well. The freehand on the Emperor's Children rhinos were pretty cool and Dave's Son's of Horus (that in no way look exactly like salamanders)also look nice, especially those reavers. Hope to see more 30k soon.
Dave channeled his inner Tarzan when that dread got dunked on.
finally, love HH reports, please continue!
This was a very enjoyable battle report for me .
I hope to face off against Dave's Sons of Horus in the Future !
Great game guys!
"The Emperor protects,"
-the Lectitio Divinitatus
I love your battle reports. You guys are so much fun to watch (especially Dave's banter batreps). I've been wanting to know what kind of camera you guys use to film your batreps.
Just a note, Javelins have AV11 on front/side. [Edit #1]: I like that you guys started with 30k, really nice batrep! [Edit #2]: Another note, the Accelerator Autocannon on the Sicaran has rending. :)
If I remember correctly the Emperors Children were traitors as well on Istvaan......very few of the Emperors Children stayed loyalist. Still love watching and learning from you guys!
A little bit shake rulewise, but like you said you are new so that's ok. A few things for you to learn. The Praetor got a Paragon Blade which gives +1S, the Contemptor has BS5, the orbital strike is an ordonance weapon, so no moving and shooting. In addition it counts as a shooting weapon so the whole unit shoult have shot at the HSS. But besides of that it was a nice batrep. I enjoyed it and hope you gonna make more.
Awesome :-) have been waiting for 30k bat reps. And it doesn't dissappoint :-)
Uh, please do more of these! So damn cool
Those Emperor's Children are gorgeous!
*SO*, we got Luchadors vs. Third Street Saints (color scheme wise, that is).
Or Grove Street vs Ballas
Pepe Longoria *???*
+Brettbren Gangs from GTA
Ezel Barroso Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
i demand a johnny gat primarch model
Great job and awesome looking figs!
Matt is so awesome. Just this big wargame loving nerd :D
And he plays all my armies too!
you guys should redo the whole Horus Heresy, and use a campaign map.
meybe add prettty marines and angry marines to loyalist side
Great video guys, I would really like to see an alternate history.
Oh shit like I said still new to the world. I'm on book 3 galaxy in flames and emperors children and deathguard just took istavvan extremis. Just caught my first glimpse of garro and I really like tarvitz. I hope he doesn't die in the assault your talking about:(
so im sittin here watching. lovin it btw thanks guys always great content my fav channel besides avgn on youtube... anywhoooo, i realised i just spent 30 mins here zoned out not actually watching but just trying to figure out why in the 31st millenium people stack barrels on rooftops.
Awesome batrep! Question: Who makes the game mat you are using?
Just wanted to note:
When talking about the Cataphractii, its pronounced at the end "ee eye", not just "ee". This is the traditional Roman Latin way to say "ii".
Those Emperors Children look magnificent. The Sons of Horus green is a little to bright for me, but that is just preference and they are masterfully done aswell
Bloody Horus, why can’t he just chill and not get tempted by chaos
So damn pretty... Great bat rep, very exciting!
Lee is pretty awesome I would love to see him in more battle reports
aaaaaat last, now we can say "have a good year" lol
thanx for the upload mat
Havnt watched yet, SO HYPED!
Amazing game, Can't wait to see more.
Wow, 31min untill the actual fight starts xD I like the Armys. Great BatRep too. :)
I can't believe Horus Heresy has been out almost 6 years already.
Both of these armies are gorgeous to look at; these 30K models are very nice. I know the SoH have an orbital bombardment strike and the ability to fire twice but even just going on appearance I think it looks like the Emperor's Children are going to win; the SoH seem out-gunned; I'll have to wait and see. Are they more than they appear; is it a case of not judging a Codex by its covers?!? Be good to see them bring Horus and Fulgrim (+any other Primarchs/armies they use in the campaign) in to battle!
+TheEyez187 Nope, I was right, Out-gunned!!!
Meanwhile on the Sargent's "phone"...
Sargent: Uuuugh...gotta go fight gtg
Emperor: K
Are you guys playing on a Kraken mat?? I missed the Kickstarter for these, but can't wait til they're available in the US - best looking gaming mats I've seen so far, hands down!
dang you guys did most of the painting right? it looks really good
Hey Dave, in the seventh edition rules there is a new centurion that can take rites of war, so you can still have your centurion and a rite of war
Excellent video! What do you guys use to film your games? I would like to do my own one day :)
yay HH, finally, good video :)
Really liking this map as well.
If only SM were this good in 40k.
Such a glorious day indeed! For Horus that is', well fluffwise.
Also Dave, Loken was a Luna Wolf at first so he wouldn't be a Grey Knight unless you are thinking of Knight's Errant :)!
+Rabart he was a Luna Wolf, before being taken in as a Knight Errant. The suggestion is that the Knights Errant were the precursor to the Grey Knights :-)
Even though them being exactly like Deathwatch.
Oh I wish I had my World Eaters ready. I also wish I could go. lol
hmm.... i never see anyone using mk3 armor...
Are those FW Marines or did you get them from Betrayal at Calth?
While I can't fault the paint job on Dave's models, it's weird seeing Sons of Horus looking so green. Isn't their official colour scheme more teal?
Yeah, wonder what happened there...
Yeah, in this video they look more like salamanders
I like the Children bringing tons and tons of anti-tank-power and the Sons not bringing any tanks :D
BUT: Major Rules Issues
for example:
1) Master of Signals and the squad he is with fire on different units? Don't see that happening...
2) They keep forgetting pile-in-moves
3) they rolled for 6 Heavy Bolters on the Jetbikes all the time (2 with BS 5, 4 with BS 4), but there are only 5...
Yeah I wondered about the pile-in moves too.
Regarding the missile heavy weapons squad, image all the frag missile shots that might have gone up
Loken is not grey knights, do not say that, it isn't true...... Hes luna wolves, true awesomness luna wolves. Will always be luna wolves!
Luna*
+Harry Caley He was one of the marines that founded the Grey Knights dude.
+Harry Caley Right, like Garro is Death Guard, Varran is World Eaters, and Rubio is Ultramarines. They're Grey Knights, and if that bothers you then you need to get over it.
+Connor Dallmann Although not actually stated verbatim. I know, this is just banter. You are on miniwargaming's youtube channel, banter heavy.
+MLP ShadyOakMinistries Its just banter dude. No need to have a cow.
So far I'm liking the balance I've seen in 30k matches. If only they could find a way to bring that element to 40k.
Dooders? This isn't Gaming with the Mountain!
those armies are gorgeous!
personally I have a preference for brighter purples on the emperors children but good job on both armies other than my personal grievances
I know this is late buuuut the Javelins has the Grav backlash rule
man the imperium lost alot of good shit... those jetpacks look SO much better then those grossly bulky ones... and the bikes... o.o we need now!
might be wrong since I am also still no expert at Horus Heresy, but I believe the guy wearing a Legion Vexilla cannot carry a Nuncio Vox as well. They should be 2 seperate Marines within the unit.
Smoke clouds are awesome !!!
Isn't the accelerator autocannon rending? I think they forgot when it fired at the tacticals at around 1:00:00 and the reavers at about 1:16:20
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GODS!!!
loyalist Emperors Children didn't have any modifications (Sonic implants), thats what got them stuck on Istvaan in the first place
Well it's about dayum time boyzzzz
Also Dave contemptors ate bs 5. They also have 3 attacks base now too.
at this time, the term 'The False Emperor' had not been created. The phrase would first be used in the traitor briefing before the Istvaan V dropsite massacre
are you guys planning to demonstrate any of the Primarch models in this series?
Really good emperor's children
Dave should commentate all of these
I SO wanna play table top, but the figures are so expensive and you need plenty too. I guess I'm stuck playing Dawn of War XD
Feels like a lot of the basic marines don't have a lot of colour or detail on them. Now I understand that they generally receive less attention than smaller groups, special characters and vehicles... but still. A lot of Dave's guys just seem to have lots of green without much colour on anything but the shoulders.
You had artificer armour in the Reaver Chieftain son!
Watched the battle reports for months, where do you get you terrain and if your ever in the UK come see me at GW Burton would be great to see you all, wish I could get over there
AMAZING !
great battle report
Does Dave have any plans to try running the Black Reaving rite of war?