I was actually surprised!! Which one of these kits was better??
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- Опубліковано 11 тра 2024
- We all have preferences but sometimes one is just better.
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I have always preferred Monogram/Revell kits over AMT. Each manufacturer has their good and bad points. But, personally, I have always had better results from Monogram:Revell kits. Thanks for sharing.
Love the video. The 28/29 Model A has a different cowl/ gas tank than the 30/31 Model A. You actually compared the difference. Many Hot Rodders in the day preferred the 30/31 as it fit 32 frames better and had the clean lines of a 32 and other reasons. The Model A Ford is the best American-built automobile ever produced IMHO.
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Great video Matthew! It wasn't a failure. You had me laughing when you starting figuring out parts were missing. The confusion in your voice was priceless. That's why I kinda shy away from buying open kits at shows. You never know until you get home to find out a main part is missing. Growing up I always preferred whatever kit caught my eye. And, loved seeing the Pumpkin Wagon getting recognition again. 👍👍
Lol! Thanks Tom
Nice kits Matthew. I'm going to have to build one of those soon
From what I can see on Google Images, the different front hood latches is accurate. 28/29 was different than the 30/31.
Cool!!
AMT released a 2 door sedan in the sixties, had opening doors and a Chrysler wedge with cross-ram option. The frame and fenders were molded together, but made a nice stock version. I've never found another set of A fenders that fit well with that body. The AMT roadster does have that small hemi, though, works well for '50s fuel cars.
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I did the old Revell 30 Model A woody wagon about a year and a half ago and actually enjoyed the build..
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The roadster has a minimal canvas top and the best weather-proofing you get is with snap-in side curtains that don't do a very good job of keeping wind and rain out of the interior while the car is going down the road.
The cabriolet has an insulated top with roll-up side windows that is kind of halfway between a coupe and a roadster. It does a much better job of keeping the weather outside than the roadster but gives open-air motoring when wanted.
There were a lot of differences incorporated in the change between 1929 and 1930, including in the body, the engine and the chassis. 1928 & 1929 were almost identical to each other, whereas 1930 and 1931 had some visible differences that make them fairly easy to tell apart. The 1930 re-design had a higher cowl, a slightly longer hood with the radiator being moved forward slightly, a taller radiator with wheels and tires that were 2 inches smaller in diameter but a little bit wider. the 1930 / '31 wheels also incorporated larger hub caps. The shape of the front fenders was also altered with a longer, shallower slope from the top of the fender to the running board.
Wow! I had no idea there were so many differences
Make a 60s hotrod out of the monogram kit
The amt kit is a gem! The monogram is good.
Usually as a rule Revell/Monogram kits fit together better than AMT/MPC kits..Sometimes Lindberg kits can be a handful to build as well,but What few Moebius and Johan kits I have built thus far have been super to build!!
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I know the owner of the pro Street/drag Javelin!😁 He is out of Illinois and his name is Tim Kasper.. really Kool guy
Too cool!!
Great comparison video Matt and I've started a video before and parts be missing lol 😆 😂 ❤😊
Lol!! 🤦🏻♂️
My own preference is 1/24th scale. I build kits from all over the world, so the Monogram kits are the choice for me. Especially the classics they did, and I'd love some.
It's ironic that the U.S. car kit industry is mostly 1/25th scale, which is metric, yet Europe and Asia chose 1/24th scale for most car kits, which is inch.
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Thanks Joseph!
Not a failure a opportunity 💯 👌
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Great idea for a video. The AMT ERTL kit includes some parts of the Ala-Kart by George Barris which was based on a1929 Ford Model A roadster pickup. I suspect you may also have a mismatch as the Roadster and Cabriolet are different body styles. All that aside I still enjoy the video. 👍
Yeah I'm seeing that there were more differences from the comments.
Good to know since my folks just found the A la kart at an Ollies in Florida for me to build..
As far as one manufacturer over another, my feeling is that it depends on the subject matter. Where several make kits of the same 1:1 it may go one way with one subject and the other way on the next. @modelcarvideos5829
The custom parts are for the "ala kart", which was actual award winning custom. It was destroyed in a fire. The amt kit has so many parts for the 29 roadster. Built a lot of those kits. Just love them! The original kit in the 60's had the ala kart and the 29 roadster. Even has hop up parts for the model A engine.
Back in the 60's amt made a 1928 Ford sedan. Was issued only once? Great kit. Very rare!
The Ford A is a decent car. The 1928-9 version had 21” wheels, while the 30-31 version used 19” wheels. The larger 1/24 scale 1930 might have smaller wheels in the larger scale due to
smaller real wheel size.
Monogram’s version is a re-hash of the coupe / Pheaton kit of the early 60’s. The slightly slanted windshield is actually a 1931 body detail. I like the Monogram kits to get past a “builder’s block”.
The amt Ford roadster kit is an old double kit - the Ala Kart and Roadster. Built stock, the A roadster is very nice, but can be fiddly.
The Revell Ford A pickup 1929 - can be combined with the amt Roadster to build a stock A pickup.
For a Fordor Ford A- the Hubley / Gabriel / JLE Scale models did a Town Sedan (4 door).
Keep up the good work.
Thanks Andrew!
It's not unusual on the instruction sheet. It is two separate sheets. This video sparked my curiousity, got up to check the '29 kit that I got in 02. Got it down off the shelf, and took a good look at the whole thing. The Y-block is a Dodge Red Ram engine. I think I might put that in one of my '40 Ford sedan builds.. It's crazy that they didn't make that all one instruction sheet.
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What you found is the reason I won't buy old kits at shows even if I really want the model. Missing parts make it impossible for me to build the kit, so I'd be wasting my money.
Next time I go to a 1:1 antique auto show, I'm going to take a closer look at the height of Model A roadster and cabriolet versions, to see if that body height difference is true to life.
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I learned my lesson about buying an already opened kit not too long ago... I purchased an already opened AMT 57 Chrysler 300C kit,got the body all painted up until I realized I had no engine and the incorrect tires... I attempted to then build it as a curbside but the incorrect tires made the body impossible to fit and the kit went to the landfill!!... I believe I have corrected the situation by buying the exact same kit still in the plastic at a show a week ago ..
This video makes a great case for doing a little research before doing a comparison. I can tackle both fronts (real car and kits) here. First off, there were two generations of the Model A - the 28-29, and the 30-31. They had different cowls, hoods and radiators, and the 30-31s had smaller diameter wheels and tires. Roadster vs cabriolet also comes into play. A roadster has a folding windshield, and has side curtains that snap into place, rather than roll-up windows. A cabriolet has a fixed windshield frame, and the aforementioned roll-up side windows. With regards the AMT kit, it was originally released as a kit that built two complete cars; the 29 Roadster, and the Ala Kart show car. That frame you were holding up is for the Ala Kart. The stock frame, along with a number of other parts, is missing from your kit. The first set of fenders was likewise for the Ala Kart. None of those parts are mentioned in your instructions, but they are in your Mod Rod flat box kit you mentioned. I did a complete history of the AMT Model A kit in my Vintage Workbench column in Model Cars Magazine issue 216. I think both the AMT and the Monogram Model As are great kits, so your choice really depends on the direction you want to take them. The Monogram kit is likely the simpler build.
The roof on the Cabriolet did not fold down. It was a faux convert, just like the vinyl top Cadillacs and such in the 70s with phony landau bars on the C pillars.
I feel the AMT got the body shape a little more correct than the recent Revell 29 roadster kits. The Revell seems to have too flat of a rear deck from side to side across the rear cowl, while the AMT has a more correct very slight arch to it. An old friend of mine had a 1/1 Cabrio. His 1st car in the 1940s. Kept it the rest of his life. Mostly stock except 15" '34 wires.
You got 2 stock seats. But that 29 Roadster did come in the 1960s as a double kit with the George Barris Ala Kart wild custom 29 Roadster pickup. That's what the hood with the scoop is for. AMT redid the Ala Kart as a separate kit around 2010 or so. There was another version of the double kit called the Mod Rod with the pseudo Edsel grille of the Ala Kart replaced with a Deuce grille shell.
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The Cabriolet roof DID fold down. The Sports Coupe like my friend's had wood structure under the faux convertible top.
The chrome strip around the firewall was a 1930/31 option that mounted a pair of driving lights as shown on the boxtop. It was not and should not be represented as an entire chrome firewall.
Cool!! Thanks
Use the detailed AMT engine in the Monogram build. Best parts of either kit, in the Cabriolet build. Scales are so closed may not matter too much.
Great video Matt. I like the AMT kit over the Monogram. Although Monogram makes good kits. I just prefer 1/25th scale. But that's me. Enjoy your week.
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That AMT kit is weird. Box says you can build it as custom version. I think they are referring to a Hot Rod version and the instructions support it. The old Hemi, meaty tyres etc.
But they also included lots of parts for the Ala Kart. Fenders, interior, body, hood, chassis, roof and rear axle. Not enough to build the whole car, but lots of good spares.
I noticed that too.
Believe it or not... The last MPC kit was an absolute joy to build and if I wasn't too apprehensive to take one of my builds to a show I would definitely take this one since it came out so awesome!!.. the 71 Dodge Demon 340 MPC just came out with is a beautiful kit!!
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I believe the AMT original 62 issue included all the parts and decals to bud a nice Ala Cart replica. I think it was a better model of that custom than the newer verson from 2002.both are nice . The decals are off in color and the hood too square in the newer issue.
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Thru the 70's and 80's I was always an AMT and Monogram fan. I hated Revell in general, and MPC was sometimes pretty...spotty...
hey the amt is spot on and the frame is steal on the parts tree.
The 30 & 31 Model As had taller radiators than 28 and 29... that might account for the difference in cowl height. The shape of the radiator on the AMT model looks more like 28 or 29 than 1930.
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The 28 to 29 Model A had 21" rims. The 30/31 had 19" rims. You are seeing the difference between the two kits. The Monogram does have a great set of tires and the wheel spokes look a bit finer.
them old kits have nice detail.
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There's actually a lot of different between the '29, and '30 ford's.
A friend produces Fiberglass bodies. Sitting side by side the 30 is about 9 inches taller than the 29.
Yeah I'm finding out there's a lot of differences!
A roadsters is a rag top and cabriolet is a semi hard top
Hubley models made a 4 door Model A
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back in the 90's I had a AMT model A kit at one stace,very detailed,heaps of parts,abit confusing with that chassis though but,I don't remember it having a stock & a custom chassis?,there is a Ukrainian model company that goes buy the name IMC,they have relocated to Poland now because of the war there apparently,I have about 3 of their 1/24 Model T ford kits,highly detailed,crisply moulded with no real flash to speak of,no chrome though,just all bare styrene,abit fiddly,anyhow they are now releasing a series of the model A fords,not sure if they will be all 2 doors like the AMT,Revell 7 Monogram kits are,or 4 doors,keep an eye out on YT matt,coz they are being released soon?,cheers
P.s.,Oops you already have reviewed the ICM 1913 model T Speedster,I have that kit too,that car always kinda reminds me of a TV show back in the 70's when I was a kid called The Bearcats'?,which featured obviously a Stutz Bearcat car,lol,just had another look & ICM are releasing 4 door versions of their upcoming model A ford kits,cheers
Thanks Malcolm!
Interesting video. You never know what you will find in kits🤔
Ertl must have mistakenly opened the Ala Cart chassis in the mold and closed the gate for the stock.Im sure someone has a spair they can send you. I'll check my stash.
Thanks Howard!
David R Lentz, USA
You discuss your two kits: the Ford Model A Roadster, AMT 1:25th-scale, and the Ford Model A Cabriolet, Monogram 1:24th-scale, asking which is of better quality. I have a strong preference for 1:25th-scale. I am poor at maths, and all this plethora (utter madness!) of scales exasperate me no end! Has nobody over the past two centuries heard of standardisation?
The ratio (which is what a “scale” is) most basic to the mind is one-half, then one-tenth. In the topic of miniatures-if you enjoy scale-model dioramas, go have a long, close look at the works of the miniaturists since the Renaissance-are too unwieldy, and most start with 1:100 for buildings, the larger ships, etc. Many of the folks of past generations borrowed from and adapted the older measurements: one-quarter scale refers to a quarter of an inch equalling one foot, or 1:48th-scale, which for the past fifty years or so may be the most common for aircraft, especially the military kinds (before that, 1:72nd-scale had been; this meant that one [inch] equals seventy-two of the same unit-generally held to be the ideal height of a man; however, many model-builders, keen for ever-greater detail and accuracy, increasingly came to find this as far too small for single-seat aircraft). Architects also used quarter-scale to build good-quality (in the sense of recognising key details in a moderate volume) representations of single-family homes, medium-sized office buildings, and similar structures.
Double 1:48th-scale gives 1:24th-scale, which is one inch equals two feet. This proportion quickly proved too large for aeroplanes for most, though it became a good ratio for replicas of automobiles. Kit makers later made larger tractor-trailer rigs in that scale, evidently to fit alongside the cars they offered. For their complexity of assembly, these drew a bit of a niche market (if an avid demographic), for the difficulty of designing and manufacturing the molds. However, 3-D printing, laser cutting, mold-making, and other relatively new technologies-already have these created massive, eclectic surges in innovations all throughout the business world, especially in CAD/CAM, making it far easier to develop new items in vast arrays beyond our present imagining, manufacturing them with amazing ease, exacting precision, remarkable fidelity, and with unprecedented versatility and promptness, and using all these methods to create wholly new articles of genuine utility-will add to model kit design, development, production, etc., these same advantages, with flexibility targeting specific aspirations! Imagine your favourite vehicle-a kit of a sports car in 1:25th-scale with the parts count matching that of the actual car; a replica of the USS Enterprise (CV-6) U.S, Navy Yorktown-class fleet aircraft carrier in 1:72nd-scale (nearly 11 feet 7 inches in length o.a.), of such fineness of detail that even the planes’ propellers will spin; a model of a Boeing 747-8 commercial aircraft in 1:25th-scale of similar exactitude, with a length of just under 10 feet 1 inch; your brother picks the same thing-in 1:24th-scale: 10 ft 5 inches long!-that you each make at home.
You note at 0:40 your uncertainty of car make terminology, e.g., “cabriolet”, “roadster”, etc. My knowledge of cars, per se is quite modest; however, I am quite adept with words. A roadster is a two-seat automobile the focus of which is excellent road handling and good speed, though short of a race car. A cabriolet is an early term for a convertible from a French design. At 28:55, you mention a preference for “a sedan”, and especially “a four-door”. They are the same: a sedan is a car intended for a comfortable ride with four doors. (That sounds like a touring car, if you ask me.) By contrast, a coupe is a smaller two-door (with a shorter wheelbase?), designed for better road handling.
When it comes to car models, I have come to find interesting the automobiles of the 1920s and into the early 1940s. High amongst these are the mid- and late Ford Model T series (AMT), the Ford Model A series (AMT, Monogram, Revell)-they are the vehicles of the people, sturdy, functional, practical-the Duesenberg CJ (Revell), the Lincoln (MPC), the Packard (Monogram), the Cord (Lindberg), the Auburn (Lindberg), among others.
ICM in Ukraine recently began a series of earlier Ford Model T kits. I have yet to have the opportunity to look upon any of them in person, though from what I have seen of them in these UA-cam videos, the detailing is excellent, complex, and finely molded, with a far more intricate parts breakdown and assembly. They are far more expensive, too.
Looks like the AMT kit is a 2 and 1 kit you can build as stock or as a street rod??
Apples to oranges Matt. 28/29 is one body style 30/31 is the other. Also the AMT is 1/25 the Monogram is 1/24. The Cabriolet has a fixed windshield frame and roll up windows in the doors. The Roadster doesn't have any of that.
Yeah I mentioned at the beginning of the video that I knew it wasn't apples to apples.
It seems like every kit manufacturer has some great kits and some not so great....
For sure!
You're missing the stock chassis
Yep
Monogram kits are better than AMT models
I'm sorry sir but when you said "MOREBETTER" you lost me