Smithsonian Part One - Christianity’s Most Important Convert
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- Professor Bart D. Ehrman joins the Smithsonian Associates at the S. Dillon Ripley Center in Washington, DC on Saturday, February 10, 2018 - 9:30 a.m. to 4:15 p.m. The conversion of the Roman Empire to Christianity set in motion a transformation with little equal in the history of Western civilization. A movement that began within a small group of illiterate day-laborers in a remote corner of the empire took fire, and within four hundred years half the population of the empire had converted. Christianity became the official religion of Rome and, eventually, the most significant political, cultural, and social force in history. The lecture is immersed with content from Bart's book "The Triumph of Christianity: How A Forbidden Religion Swept the World."
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Bart D. Ehrman is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He came to UNC in 1988, after four years of teaching at Rutgers University. At UNC he has served as both the Director of Graduate Studies and the Chair of the Department of Religious Studies. A graduate of Wheaton College (Illinois), Professor Ehrman received both his Masters of Divinity and Ph.D. from Princeton Theological Seminary, where his 1985 doctoral dissertation was awarded magna cum laude.
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Best way of spending a Saturday - 3 lectures from Bart Ehrman.
he is a great lecture whether you agree with is assertions or not
Dont you mean the sabbath?
@@westerncivilsation7514 about the only way you wouldn't agree with him is if you can't or won't let go of your delusion...
@@JesusLordOfLords455 ain't nobody trying to argue the sabbath.. I did that for 15 years... 😊
I am a big fan of Dr. Ehrman. In the era of universal deceit, it is hard to find a person with Intellectual Integrity.
Three years ago, I woke up one morning and said to myself "I have been in USA for the last 32 years & have heard a lot about Jesus & Bible, but I do not know anything about them”. I started my reading and study, on the 2nd week I saw Bart in UA-cam. I have read three of his books and I think I have seen all Bart’s UA-cam videos. Thank you for posting this new video.
See JErald dirks passion of christ. they were jewish christians who thought he was a human Prophet like Adam. "son of God" was figurative like with Adam and David! luke 3,22 says he was adapted in baptism in new revised standard version! They thought he's blessed miracle worker like Moses. crucifiction had a switch. mahtew 27,17 also said there were 2 Jesus and the real one got away. coptics made Pilot a saint for letting him go! Jesus is a Muslim!
paul taught lawless man worship to give organized judeo usury elitists and advantage by making their adversaries lawless pagans!
I can’t sleep without at least one hour of Ehrman a night. But I am so used to his voice after I listened to this talk I had to back to and older lecture just to relax. I’m going to start a Go Fund Me to pay for a Carrier v. Ehrman debate on Mythic v. Human Jesus. I live for that one.
LoL
that is really weird...i do exactly the same...when i cant sleep, his voice puts me out in under 5 minutes
Subversion, maybe 1 debate with Carrier, but only to get it over with. To even pose 1 debate is to give Carrier more legitimacy, in my opinion, than he deserves. Just my thought on the guy who is riding a dead horse to death.
The verse that began trinity and idolatry I have explained, and take my explanation, BEfore Hell Fire BEfalls on you, while you are heedless O! Christians. You changed the (WORD) (BE) with Jesus, and the result of that Christians BEcame idol worshippers.
Deuteronomy 4:22 You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
In the beginning was the (WORD) i.e (BE), meaning the (WORD) (BE) GoD uses in the beginning of every creation. And the (WORD) i.e (BE) was with GoD, meaning (BE) is an attribute of GoD. And the (WORD) i.e (BE) was GoD, meaning every attribute of GoD is GoD. In Genesis 1:3 And God said, "Let there (BE) light," and there was light. Jesus was NOT the (WORD) (BE), but GoD created him with the (WORD) (BE). When they say Jesus proceeded from the father, it really means GoD said Jesus (Be) and Jesus became.
I do that too!
I literally fast forward the video thinking that the speaker is not Bart !
But then it sounds like Bart from the way he talks, the tone, the high and the low hit. The phrases and the statement then I realised it was Bart !
Outstanding scholarship, and brilliant, accessible, exposition. Bravo Professor Ehrman!
So much insight in this episode. It’s becoming one of my favourites from Mr Ehrman.
I will deff be watching this! I’ve recently read this book and thoroughly enjoyed it. Bart is well studied. Great historian of early Christianity.
Is this negative towards Christianity in any way? I'm under the impression that through his studies he became an unbeliever.
@@mastersplinter3901 He specialises on the origins of the Bible/Christianity this can be uncomfortable for believers if they only know the sanitised version of their religion.
@@mastersplinter3901 Not so much negative more just factual and accurate information which may differ from what some Christians have been taught.
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I am a Christian and, although he has changed my mind on some things, I’m still a Christian. His mentor, Bruce Metzger, never left the faith.
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Maybe he just needed some more time to realize and accept that he was wrong.
Thanks for sharing, much appreciated.
Professor I thoroughly enjoyed it and enjoy your videos I’m a70 year old former Christian. I respect people’s beliefs until they become dogmatic in their views. I would love to sit down and talk with you. Again thanks
If he not claimed to be a god then he exist as a prophet
He wouldnt exist for no reason
Very logic and reasonable
I'd say they are running this at about 120% speed. Bart's actual voice is a good half-octave lower, if not more. We're bordering Alvin and the Chipmunks territory here.
Wow I always thought that Saul changed his name to Paul after converting. I thought that was like common knowledge. Super interesting talk as always by Bart. Thanks.
Carl, That's what we were taught!
I concur. I also was under the impression that it was due to the conversion.
Yup. That myth is just so prevalent.
Paul seemed like an ancient joseph smith. 🤣
Oh man, I was thinking the exact same thing! For some reason I was reading in Galatians where Paul says "11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ."
Substitute Jesus Christ with the Angel Moroni and this could have come from Joseph Smith!
OK, I guess I'll say it, what's up with his voice?
Laryngitis, addressed first part of part two.
Sorry to hear that, get better soon, keep up the good work.
@@bartdehrman You are a hero! Let us know if you ever visit Rice university in TX anytime soon!
@@bartdehrman sorry to hear that. You literally sound like a different person.
@@bartdehrman It is barely noticeable. Your will and professionalism are remarkable!
"Lost in transmission"? In my country the book was called "The Monks That Betrayed Jesus"
Which country are you from?
I always wondered why Christians aren’t just Jewish! Thanks for explaining!!
As I've said before, Christians think a crucified Messiah is a fantastic plot twist, the kind of plot twist only the God of Plot Twists could have orchestrated, whereas Jews think a crucified Messiah is a ridiculous plot twist, the kind of plot twist you'd only come up with if your lead actor died in the middle of filming and you had to hastily rewrite the script for the finale.
If the resurrection of the dead means you can't escape judgement by dying, and yet those who side with the forces of evil are destroyed, what is gained? How is being destroyed any different from remaining dead? (There is an obvious answer if destruction is not instantaneous, but I'm asking what apocalypticists such as Paul would have thought.)
The sacrificing of a human being is not valid sin sacrifice. So could Paul relate the killing of Jesus to a sin offering sacrifice.
How many Christians were there in the area of the world, within that year or two when Paul was persecuting them?
The vocabulary and style is that of Bart Ehrman but what have they done with his voice.... but love his lectures..
Ha! Bart sounds like he has a radio voice like Casey Kasem when he’s sick! His “sexy/sick” voice like Phoebe on Friends. LOL
(Great lecture series, by the way. As always.)
glad somebody else noticed.
Wow... Casey Kasem. He’d have a lower pitched voice. But by God, that’s a name I’ve not heard in years.
All are born chosen, good, connected to God, in God's image, to do good on earth. Likewise, all can reconnect (rise again) and have eternal life with God. Best to do it while on earth. Faith and good works (good choices resulting from good beliefs. Start praying, reading, listening, attending, and do good works.
But praying to which god? Attending what? Any way you look at it, there are a lot of people in trouble because they just happened to be born in the wrong community, in the wrong country, in the wrong part of the world, that worships the wrong god(s), or no god(s) at all. If the Christian god were omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, and loving and MERCIFUL as Christians claim, then he would have known to send his Messiah to every country on earth to save its people from eternal suffering.
Or does everyone get to have eternal life with god in spite of what they believe here on earth?
And why was Israel Yahweh’s chosen people? If god created all of mankind, why did he not reveal himself to every nation, village, and individual at some point in history? Why does he rely on fallible sinners and humans with limited memory and knowledge to spread the word through third-person accounts? Why have there been thousands of religions over multiple millennia that worship other gods? Why did Yahweh not choose EVERYONE? Because Israel adopted Yahweh, the Canaanite war god, as their primary god millennia ago, and they taught that Yahweh has selected THEM - that THEY were special, and he would protect them and see them prosper? Which, by the way, is a great morale booster and nationalistic tactic to unite a nation.
I think it’s great for people to do good works, to help others, to better communities for generations to come. And the best part about it is you don’t need to subscribe to any sort of religion or religious practices to do so! Every person in existence is capable of being a kind and considerate human being, and you don’t need to pray, read ancient texts, or attend a church, temple, synagogue, or mosque to do so, if that sort of thing isn’t for you.
The only possible explanation is that he was abducted by Richard Carrier and then modified Bart's vocal chords, nose cavities and chest. We miss you Bart!
Listening to lies, delusions, errors and fakes doesn’t alter truth. But no-one likes to be ignored
This is awesome, thank you very much for this.
who turned his voice down an octave?
Could be a medication side effect ?
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We appreciated your interview prior to the debate with Dr. Price in Milwaukee! What, if any, did the impact of inclusiveness and ease of access cause Christianity to explode? Was there another religion or culture of that time that would offer spiritual equality to women and slaves?
I have deep respect for Dr. Ehrman and his work has helped me sort out my religious faith. My ultimate quest was/is to understand the real Jesus of Nazareth.
I wonder if Dr. Ehrman has worked too hard to negate the empty tomb scenario. IMO, history that is remembered is remembered many times because what happened at a given point in time was unusual. The gospels, having women first find/view the empty tomb, indicates there is a basis in truth since women and the testimony of women were not valued in that patriarchal society.
Keeping the discussion at the historical level, a number of researchers have detailed things that were unusual or extremely unusual concerning the arrest, trial and execution of Jesus of Nazareth. I think therefore, burial in a tomb following crucifixion which was sometimes done according to other research, is possible.
From there, the experiences people had with the resurrected Jesus, may indeed be the driving force behind the continuation of Jesus´ ministry, rather than the empty tomb on Sunday morning. That said, I see no reason why, anecdotally, there could not have been an empty tomb and memories of such relayed by women who were present.
If the ministry, arrest, trial, execution and disposition of remains was mundane in the case of Jesus of Nazareth, I think we would know far less. Many men at the time were crucified, etc. I think there were enough unusual happenings in relation to Jesus that the pure historical events would have been remembered, at least locally, for some time afterward.
I'm not sure that 'working too hard' to negate the empty tomb makes much sense. Plenty of mainstream historians don't hold with the whole trial and crucifixion narrative. And the idea if an empty tomb doesn't concur with what is known about Roman crucifixion practice. It's simply historically improbable. I think Ehrman agrees with you that what was important to the early followers was their experience, or perceived experience, of the resurrection, and he deals with that in some depth. To the extent that those experiences were unusual forms the basis of their consequent belief system. I think Ehrman's analysis is into to what extent that resurrection experience is historically versimil and to what extent it was a result of the psychological shock of their leader being inexplicably removed and killed. And that is something Ehrman has addressed in depth
What do we really know about the ministry, arrest, trial and execution that isn't mundane? Certainly nothing in Josephus, Philo or any other source suggests that they were in any way remarkable. There are only the gospel narratives which are contradictory, riddled with inconsistencies and embellishments and do not correspond with what else is known or reality. So from the Nativity, works, trial, execution, empty tomb, resurrection there is almost nothing or substance that can be substantiated and we are left with an apocalyptic, messianic preacher who was executed by the Romans - carbon copies of which exist n abundance - around whom a whole religion grew, for idiosyncratic reasons.
The verse that began trinity and idolatry I have explained, and take my explanation, BEfore Hell Fire BEfalls on you, while you are heedless O! Christians. You changed the (WORD) (BE) with Jesus, and the result of that Christians BEcame idol worshippers.
Deuteronomy 4:22 You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
In the beginning was the (WORD) i.e (BE), meaning the (WORD) (BE) GoD uses in the beginning of every creation. And the (WORD) i.e (BE) was with GoD, meaning (BE) is an attribute of GoD. And the (WORD) i.e (BE) was GoD, meaning every attribute of GoD is GoD. In Genesis 1:3 And God said, "Let there (BE) light," and there was light. Jesus was NOT the (WORD) (BE), but GoD created him with the (WORD) (BE). When they say Jesus proceeded from the father, it really means GoD said Jesus (Be) and Jesus became.
Me too! What's with his voice? Why did you mess with his pitch? And I find it incredibility dishonest to mess with such stuff! I can't imagine that Bart Ehrman would allow such an alteration. I plan to ask him!
I think it’s 1. He was recently ill. 2. The quality is more professional. Probably a better mic, sound board, and possibly some professional equalization applied than usual. If you ever have listened to a familiar radio talk show host call into their station on another show, they typically sound like different over the phone compared to the way their “in studio” voices sound. They probably also do what’s called “mastering” on the final product so it sounds “better” on more kinds of speakers. Sorry 😄Probably way more than you wanted know. Edit: oops just noticed your comment was from a year ago. My bad 🙄
Roman state of Judea existed until about 120 CE, when the Romans convert the state of Judea into the province of Palestine.
Fantastic view on the West history. Understandable though if you limit your view of the West by forth century AD. Otherwise you cannot explain what Christianity has even been doing in the West at all. Much easy to understand what Christian churches were doing. For an overall motive for the history of the West and its churches the greed is the best candidate. As long so history itself is about the things what have been happening. Otherwise let's talk about Rembrandt.
What the hell, this is not Ehrman's voice
He had Laryngitis.
Definitely not Bart's voice. Had to check other comments after listening for some minutes. The speaker uses some of Bart's intonation and phrasing, but it is not close to Bart's voice. It was really distracting. Bart, where are you?
The recording, the compression or some other factor might have altered how he sounds. Or maybe his voice voice has changed for some reason.
He was crucified ... and will be resurrected soon. Or he had laryngitis. You decide.
There were no Jewish jails? Google says there were Jewish jails. Bible references point to placing transgressors in custody - Lev 24:12. Also, there are a lot more similarities in Paul's letters and Acts than there are differences, with the main point being, the Gospel of Salvation is also for the Gentiles as well.
THIS ISN'T BART ERHMAN'S VOICE.
Yes it is , don’t worry 😎👍
Paulianity ? People see what they want to see weather conscious or unconscious. Many ancient societies practiced circumcision 1. Egyptians
How would Dr. Erhman account for the alleged 500 witnesses of the resurrection? In Romans 16, Paul says some were Christians before him. How did they come to believe in Jesus?
Fraser Daniel, he would say what any scholar or reasonable believer says of that claim - the “500 witnesses” are never identified or referred to in any way again. This makes the claim different from those of named and available disciples. Unnamed witnesses can not verify or testify to anything, by definition.
Eye witness testimony is some of the worst testimony in the history of mankind. The miracle of the sun is a good example. 30,000 to 40,000 people claimed the Sun to have careened towards the Earth before zig-zagging back to its normal position. We know this isn't true because it's impossible according to the present physics we know and also no one else reported this over the whole world. So eye witness testimony isn't good and then on top of it, we have no idea who any of these people were.
@@noaheinstein2369 Oh yeah?!?
As to the 500 eyewitnesses, we have:
A Aaron Aadvart of Sussex
A. Ahab Andersen of Vesterålen Norway
Abe Simpson of Springfield
Ahab (Captain) of New Bedford Massachusetts...
Kidding. I laugh anytime I hear someone claim there were 500 witnesses. Paul could have claimed there 1,000,000 and that still doesn’t answer who they were, why there are not other sources, etc. I mean really? The Romans, Greeks, Egyptians and other Jewish scholars that could read and write never mentions any of the 500 witnesses? This “evidence” is very weak.
3:21 That's *nothing* like what I was taught in (conservative, fundamentalist) Southern Baptist and AoG churches in the 1970s and 1980s. INRI. The Jews and Romans *mocked* him because he *wasn't* the great conquering king of the Jews.
This is not Bart. Someone is impersonating him. If it was not for the mannerisms it would be impossible to recognize his voice.
Paul's conversion to christianity . . . christianity always made pagan's and pagan god's "convert" to christianity. Paul must have been someone else, whom the church felt the need to absorb. How about Josephus?
the impractical transhumanist Paul is sol and is Josephus who was a diplomatic priest for the 4th sect called NAZARIAN Jews who where a Monarchy of ODDESA and King ESUS Mano Pezos of GAMORA lead the first Jewish Revolt with an aim to take Rome while Rome was without emperors called the time of 4 emperors before Titus and Vespasian FLAVIONS took over Rome via military revolt after they where sent to crush Jewish revolt which destroyed Israel and then rewrote the warrior king in to a TURN THE OTHER CHEEK AND GIVE CEASER WHAT IS HIS.
this was a tax dispute amongst the royals and prior to this Magdalena paid what amounts to 2 billion to grant Esus the high priest position aka grandmaster mason ( Carpenter).
Paul is a trader that went to any side that was cushier and easier for him creating an example template for modern Elites , Black Nobility , Popes pretending to be the IDOL of god who may put crowns on Kings creating the “ RULE OF DIVINE KINGS” by appointment instead of Popular ELECTION.. now we have Vatican which made sure ROME never fell by instigating a race war between people trying to follow 1 way but finding them selves with 40,000 types of ways which is IDOLATRY that is now falling because we as humanity finally woke up and realized that all forbidden books of truth have always been a light to Jews that lead them as they awaited this prophetic time spoken of in Torah a holy book against which many nations fought and now coming back to it for clarity and proof of how badly the word of god was corrupted by traders and conquered minds of amazing humanity which deserves more then Elite Mind Control Propaganda of Black Nobility Elites.
I’m a survivor of Russian slavery which never went away but we escaped in the night leaving all behind but family and lived in many countries with hope of freedom which was enough when food was not and took us to heaven we call USA and would die for this country because we know how privileged we truly are after god showed us the way and lead us out of our Babylon.
This Holy Man Prof. Ehrman is what we call a “TZSADIK” who becomes Anointed aka CHRIST which is a holy king of spirit leading in service to others as service to self which is the #1 rule for Hebrew Kings, True Royals who Greeks called CHRISTOS which is a title made in to a last name which is IDOLATRY IN ITS PUREST FORM.
the key is comparing Esus of GAMORA to Jesus Christ and knowing that these events where pushed back 40 years by the FLAVION - HEROD - ALEXANDERS VIA SOL AKA PAUL AKA JOSEPHUS the master propaganda minister of FLAVION Dynasty which lead us to Today, the age of knowing VS believing .. I hope it was not too confusing. Bless your heart.
I am a Jewish Survivor lead by love of all 🙏🔥🦚. Shalom , Baruch HaShem.
41:33 *very important* ( 39:50 - 44:12 )
According to Josephus, Poppea the wife of Nero was attracted to Judaism
Can anyone help me with something? What is the evidence which is used to date the compilation/authorship of the Gospel of Mark to about 40 years after the death of Jesus?
His texts know about the destruction of the temple
The verse that began trinity and idolatry I have explained, and take my explanation, BEfore Hell Fire BEfalls on you, while you are heedless O! Christians. You changed the (WORD) (BE) with Jesus, and the result of that Christians BEcame idol worshippers.
Deuteronomy 4:22 You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
In the beginning was the (WORD) i.e (BE), meaning the (WORD) (BE) GoD uses in the beginning of every creation. And the (WORD) i.e (BE) was with GoD, meaning (BE) is an attribute of GoD. And the (WORD) i.e (BE) was GoD, meaning every attribute of GoD is GoD. In Genesis 1:3 And God said, "Let there (BE) light," and there was light. Jesus was NOT the (WORD) (BE), but GoD created him with the (WORD) (BE). When they say Jesus proceeded from the father, it really means GoD said Jesus (Be) and Jesus became.
It's even said in the bible that the authors of the Gospels are unknown.
Mark notes temple destruction ....must be post 70
The Jewish Law had a social part, slaves have some rights
Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel, not to the gentiles.
"Not jew or greek"
What's wrong with his voice???
I’m sorry that Bart thinks so Highly of Paul. The People of the Way who were his Contemporaries did not think Highly about him at all.
The People of the Way were the same Jewish group that hid the Dead Sea Scrolls. In the Scrolls Paul is mentioned as being an extremely bad person, probably based on how Paul persecuted them and how Paul preached a totally different message of the Christ. Paul was looked upon as a Liar and Deceiver.
In the Scriptures one can glean that there was a great animosity between Paul and the Leaders of the Church, James, Peter and John. That was because Paul preached a totally different message than what the Christ taught. If you bother to read Paul’s Epistles not once does he refer to any of the Christ’s teachings.
James gave all of the Apostles a Certificate authorizing them to Preach the Word. Paul was never given one of those and he was questioned about that which infuriated him. Paul was never Voted to being an Apostle but was self appointed.
No idea why his voice has been modulated a pitch lower.
Gbu. Today is the Day of penticost yes after the Resurrection of lord the seven Sabbath day plus one day is penticost day On this day lord gave the EARLY rain of holy spirit to the Apostals in the Mark s upper room they all filled with the HOLY spirit plz ref Acts2:1_4. And strated preaching boldly even they were mocked rediculed punished but they proclaimed the lord boldly they prayed deligently they preached the truth what lord taught them now in the day of penticost in this age of holy spirit the lord calls us in the name of father and mother plz ref Rev 22:17. To receive the water of Life and they are teaching Thier children the truth and calling us to their dwelling place Zion ref in Isaiah 33;20_22. Where the lord holy and appointed feasts are celebrated what are feasts plz ref Leviticus 23 chapter tells us these last days it's already prophesized people will rushes to Zion plz ref.Mica 4:1_2. And Jeremiah 4:5_6. Why to rush to Zion because lord has chosen his dwelling place in Zion plz ref Palms 133:1_3. And Palms. 132:13_14. So let's listin to the spirit and the bride accepting Thier invitation to go to the kingdom of heaven. Amen
Does Bart Ehrman live his life according to The Gospel message of The Lord Jesus Christ?
He's not a Christian
There are all sorts of things that God never does.
He's never used a mobile phone, played a computer game, driven a BMW nor walked a dog.
He doesn't breath, eat, sleep, swim nor take any exercise.
Lazy.
no See JErald dirks passion of christ. they were jewish christians who thought he was a human Prophet like Adam. "son of God" was figurative like with Adam and David! luke 3,22 says he was adapted in baptism in new revised standard version! They thought he's blessed miracle worker like Moses. crucifiction had a switch. mahtew 27,17 also said there were 2 Jesus and the real one got away. coptics made Pilot a saint for letting him go! Jesus is a Muslim!
Please can anyone explain when Bart says Jesus died in the year 30ish (at 17 mins) is this the death on the cross death or did he die again somehow!? Forgive me for the question, I’m not a Christian and interested to learn about the history. Really don’t know what happened after the ‘resurrection’ if indeed that happened. Thanks.
He means his death on the cross. He doesn't believe in the resurrection. Good question!! ❤️
There's a reason why Ehrman went from being a fundamental Christian, to an agnostic atheist after reading and studying the bible deeply.
Yes....death on cross
My theory is the "Jesus" never existed as people imagined. Instead, he got confused in history with this guy: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_the_High_Priest
Bart still does not understand Christianity or the reason for religion. The reason for this is he does not understand "transcendent consciousness" or the knowing of that which goes beyond birth and death. He does not believe that such understanding is even possible though the ancient and some of the modern world have reference to this experience in many many places. He keeps trying to reduce all to mythical literature of that which he does not understand. It is not possible to understand the success of Christianity with out understanding it's mystical context and that context is not just going to heaven it is also the experience of heaven in ones life. The Bliss is real and not a product of a collection of people at some church but an internal experience often deemed a form of madness by the world and an experience had by some saints in their caves, as has been reported. He does not understand the unspeakable name of God or why it would be unspeakable in fact as opposed to some rule.
Bart is a Moody Bible literalist and always will be so. He sees conversion and baptism as a social "belief" structure as do most evangelicals.
I am interested in this subject very much so. My only source of information is the Bible. I am a “lamb” still, and therefore have many questions. I would like to see if you have any literature/authors you would suggest that speak on the history of Christianity, and the church. First, beginning with Paul to now where we are. So saturated with information, “religion”, denominational disunity, and ambiguity in the Church.
Thank You
Bart Ehrman needs to dive into more Robert Eisenman than the bible belt scholars.
Perhaps but I think he's better served finding a tailor.
The verse that began trinity and idolatry I have explained, and take my explanation, BEfore Hell Fire BEfalls on you, while you are heedless O! Christians. You changed the (WORD) (BE) with Jesus, and the result of that Christians BEcame idol worshippers.
Deuteronomy 4:22 You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
In the beginning was the (WORD) i.e (BE), meaning the (WORD) (BE) GoD uses in the beginning of every creation. And the (WORD) i.e (BE) was with GoD, meaning (BE) is an attribute of GoD. And the (WORD) i.e (BE) was GoD, meaning every attribute of GoD is GoD. In Genesis 1:3 And God said, "Let there (BE) light," and there was light. Jesus was NOT the (WORD) (BE), but GoD created him with the (WORD) (BE). When they say Jesus proceeded from the father, it really means GoD said Jesus (Be) and Jesus became.
Paul wasn't teaching actual descendants of heathens. He was teaching the scattered Israelites, who became as heathens and were scattered among the nations as a punishment. Has anyone ever even read the prophecies? Everyone thinks they know so much when they know so little.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
It says all Israel shall be saved, not all nations and all manner of heathens. Turn away ungodliness from Jacob, not Esau and Canaan.
Logical nonbeliever
The way he talk about christianity and the inconsistency on the new testament, it does sound like he really fully believes in christianity. May be if he wants a consistent and reliable religion, he should convert to Judaism. The Dead Sea scrolls prove that the Torah has come down to today uncorrupted, but the new testament changes at each major copy
If it were just a matter of consistency and reliability of the written word, he should go forward, not backward, and convert to Mormonism. Nary a change from God's word to the Book of LDS. Interesting, isn't it, how close LDS is to LSD? I wonder....
He’s an agnostic-atheist
ah, um,... ah, um...ad nauseum
I PREFER THIS “ALTERNATIVE” VOICE OF BART. SOUNDS MORE FORCEFUL AND DEEPER THAN HIS “ORIGINAL” VOICE.
Sounds like a Jewsih Rabbi/son of a Rabbi that made an effort to become a new testament scholar and masquerade as an athiest/agnostic to divert people away from Christianity because of all the evil that has been done in the name of Christianity. True Apostolic Christianity hasnt existed for atleast over 1500 years from what we know. Paul wasnt the only one who agreed about the delineation between the old covenant law and new covenant law pf the spirit. They all were in consensus Acts 15. Most scholars just dont understand what the Apostles all knew about where the delineation is and why. Almost every Christian Church in the world doesnt umderstand wat the law of the spirit means in practice Romans 8:2.
The problem with you Bart you do not believe that the gospel is the power of God for those who believe. There are folks whose lives has been transformed through out centuries by hearing receiving and believing the simple message of the gospel . The gospel message is simple . God the creator in Christ Jesus his blessed Son has come in to the world to give life. The life which Adam our precursor lost in the Garden These doesn't make sense to you probably because you don't believe that you're in need of this life. You're just a scholar . You don't have any experience of the saving transforming power of the message of the cross. You may joke about it because you've not been touched by the saving power of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Paul Stephens having listened to his testimony several times I’d say he was as “dyed in the wool” as you are and I was. I likewise came out of Christianity but found my home in Judaism rather than Atheism. He never comments negatively on belief but instead presents the history. You probably will not like the Jesus program on the History Channel either as they likewise have a historian on board who points out some of the problems with the Greek Scriptures. The Bible warns us against following after our eyes or hearts which lead us astray. I respect Bart and thoroughly enjoy his videos. I dare say you won’t find his level of respect for Christianity in many other atheists
It's probably because he's an objective scholar and you've had a subjective experience not unlike those who have claim to have been abducted by aliens. So yeah, kinda hard to take anal probing by aliens seriously.....unless of course it happened to you.
Paul Stephens changed lives also occur in every other religion, AA, and even when people become humanists/atheists.
@@theunapologeticjew Does Bart consider himself an Atheist or an Agnostic?
The verse that began trinity and idolatry I have explained, and take my explanation, BEfore Hell Fire BEfalls on you, while you are heedless O! Christians. You changed the (WORD) (BE) with Jesus, and the result of that Christians BEcame idol worshippers.
Deuteronomy 4:22 You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
In the beginning was the (WORD) i.e (BE), meaning the (WORD) (BE) GoD uses in the beginning of every creation. And the (WORD) i.e (BE) was with GoD, meaning (BE) is an attribute of GoD. And the (WORD) i.e (BE) was GoD, meaning every attribute of GoD is GoD. In Genesis 1:3 And God said, "Let there (BE) light," and there was light. Jesus was NOT the (WORD) (BE), but GoD created him with the (WORD) (BE). When they say Jesus proceeded from the father, it really means GoD said Jesus (Be) and Jesus became.
I usually really like what Bart has to say but the amount of ums and ahs render this episode unlistenable. It comes off as being super unprepared.
The Writers of the Gospels and Paul`s letters are putting the belief in your head ~~~its a very clever literature technique
I listened till the end with satisfaction..
Who in the world does that voice belong to?? It's not Dr. Ehrman's -- not even close.
Just started. I'm happy to have a couple days of listening!! Thanks
I always marvel at how Christian scholars treat Jesus and God as separate entities. If that's so, can Jesus disagree with or disobey God?
Supposedly he did disobey 'gods' word. How many times did Jesus say, "It has been said (by god)....but I say...."
Just ask Muslims that question
From its inception, Christianity claimed it would never end (Matthew 16:18, Jude 1:3). So far, everything that it has said it will do, it has done.
From the beginning, Christianity said the opposite: the end is near. Just like every other apocalyptic cult, it has been wrong all along.