Growing up in a Welsh, working class, consciously Socialist, home in the 60's I was made aware of the situation in Ireland and Northern Ireland through conversations I overheard. The consensus across family and neighbours was always that the English had "no bloody business over there anyway, they've done nothing but create death and hell". There was anger expressed at how the Irish people were treated, both historically when they were at home and when they had to come here looking for work. They also talked about the famine, the cause of the famine, the food that was "stolen" and how children were reduced to eating grass. I distinctly remember my Mother talking about Queen Victoria "graciously sent £5. To feed the whole of Ireland!" in sneering tones more than once. (It was actually £2000 but that myth persists). All of that before The Troubles became a regular part of the tea time news! My family didn't dislike English *people*, but they despised the English ruling class. The kid's party for the 1977 Jubilee was an odd affair 😂😂😂 Yes to jelly & ice cream, no to waving flags. A United Ireland would serve these Tories right! In the event that happens, I have asked a couple of friends in NI to adopt me as their Granny.
I went to a grammar school in the 1970s, and wasn't very good at Latin, so during the 3rd year had extra history and geography instead. Our history teacher Dai Joseph, gave us a very interesting take on the 'Troubles' and the appalling treatment of the Catholic community in Northern Ireland. I doubt the curriculum these days is as enlightened.
But is wasn't the 'English' over there. It was the British. Very prominently, that included settlers from England and Scotland, but also Wales. No-one in Britain can legitimately distance themselves from British colonialism, every home nation played a part in it, often with gusto.
@Shep Raynham we are your neighbour and brothers and sisters, the past is the past. It is none of our business but for everyone’s Benefit, for all of us to prosper, your ruling class,Eton and the tories, the royals, they have to be removed. Thank you for your words and honesty, I wish you all the love in the world.x
When you listen to the UK Attorney General you can see why the Irish are so fed up with British rule. How can you discuss anything with someone so sure of themselves that they don't realise their own stupidity?
I'm an english person in my 30's, and I was never taught about ireland whatsoever. None of the history, not the troubles, not the IRA, absolutely nothing at all. And I think it is worth me sharing this because I cannot be the only one who is largely ignorant on this subject, so this is a context which is very important
Why would someone English spend their time in history learning specifically about Ireland? Do you understand the length and significance of English and British history? It would be impossible to cover the entirety in a school curriculum. What makes Ireland so special? Indians say the same thing. So do Jamaicans. So do Nigerians. So do Australians. So do Germans, French and Russians.
@shreddherring... Ireland was invaded, colonised and partitioned by Britain. Simply put. First invasion in the 1100s called the Norman Invasion which wasn't entirely successful. Then we has the Scottish and English Planters who arrived as per The Plantations in 16th- and 17th-century. This involved the *confiscation of Irish-owned land* by the English Crown and the colonisation of land with settlers from Britain. The following is a snapshot of how we fought back: The two Desmond Rebellions took place in 1569-1573 and 1579-1583 to *fight against the threat of the extension of the English government* over the province. The successful Battle of Clontibret was *fought against the British* in County Monaghan in 1595. The successful Battle of the Yellow Ford was *fought against the British* in County Armagh in 1598. The Nine Years' War, sometimes called Tyrone's Rebellion took place in Ireland from 1593 to 1603. It was fought between an Irish alliance to *fight against English rule in Ireland.* The Rebellion of 1641 took place when Irish Catholics were being threatened by expansion of the anti-Catholic English Parliament and Scottish Planters and they *rebelled against English and Protestant domination.* The Irish Rebellion of 1798 was a major uprising *against British rule in Ireland.* (The Society of United Irishmen was led primarily by liberal Protestants). The Irish wanted an end to anti-Catholic discrimination, greater Irish self-governance, and to roll back the Plantations of Ireland. The Irish rebellion of 1803 was launched by Irish republicans *against British rule in Ireland* The Easter Rising of 1916 was piloted by Irish republicans *against British rule in Ireland* with the aim of establishing an independent Irish Republic. The civil rights movement in the early 1960s challenged the inequality and discrimination against ethnic Irish Catholics that was perpetrated by the Ulster Protestant community. Derry activists' marched on the 5 October 1968 in Derry, but were *attacked by the RUC and loyalists*
@@jrton1366 My first year in Government at Sydney University involved the government and governance of the Commonwealth of Australia, Australian states and the United Kingdom.. Even though New South Welshmen and women think of themselves as special
Protestant and Catholic actually has very little to do with it, the British Government narrative is the " two tribes " locked in perpetual conflic narrativet. Catholic and Protestant were just the most convenient labels upon which to divide the people in order to maintain British hegemony in Ireland and protect their interests here. Ireland the first and last colony as always was collateral in a bigger game.
I mean there were plenty of english prostesants who wanted to separate from the empire in the past. It was actually something that scared the shit out of the Aristocracy and led to things like the Penal Laws. People were united by class so they had to be divided by the magic sky beard.
My best friend is from the midlands in England and he had never even heard of the Great Famine before he moved over here. The English have no idea about the damage England has done to Ireland historically.
I find a lot of Irish have delusions about the Orange Mob. And they are the problem. I can't remember the number of times I've been told that they will go home to Britain when their whole culture is about not leaving and No Surrender.
I'm from Dudley, smack bang in the midlands, went to school through the entire 90s and yeah I was never taught anything about that, I never got taught anything about Ireland, Colonialism or the Empire, in history we learned about US slavery, Waterloo and WW1 and 2, which was mainly shown via video on the old huge wheel in teles
@@TableTopWolf1984 I didn't turn up to my last 3 years of high school (my final year was in '97). Yet I remember reading, in class, about the famine and about colonialism and Englands' raping and pillaging the majority of the world in order to make the "British empire"... how stoned were you guys??
@@7dtdfil730 school in special measures where only 18% passed with a gcse grade c or above, a completely failing school who basically put films on for us most of the time, sometimes we bought our own stuff in like Braindead or Ali G, they really didn't care, in year 11 you didn't even have to turn up if you didn't want too, we were failed massively, and people wonder why the vast majority of people I went to school with are now jobless and have been for many years, the class clown hasn't ever had a job and is proud of it. Few years later the headteacher got done for falsifying attendance numbers and grades, it's still in special measures and has an attrocious ofsted report, but the others round here ain't any better either, no wonder 1/3 of our total population is economically inactive.
There's ignorance towards Ireland in the UK because in history classes we're taught more about American history than we are about our own. If we were taught our own history maybe we could dump this ridiculous "Britain is the best" mindset
Speaking as someone born in 1952, the older gentleman who didn't understand the difference in composition of Great Britain as compared to the United Kingdom clearly wasn't paying attention in either history or geography classes as the ones I attended in my inner city Secondary School covered the difference comprehensively. So don't give idiots like him a let, he doesn't know because doesn't want to know, as the facts don't fit his petty view of the world.
I too was born in 1952 educated (if you can call it that) in a Catholic secondary modern school and I am well aware of the difference between Great Britain and the United Kingdom. It just goes to show that some ignorance is wilful!
I grew up with the threat of nuclear war at any moment but I also grew up with the threat of an IRA car bomb going off at any moment (London). The news was full of sectarian violence, IRA hunger strikes, Gerry Adams de‐ voiced. We even read Across the Barricades at school. How can people my age and over that grew up in the UK be so unaware of the NI issue!? The GFA was such a moment of pure hope in humanity. I despaired at the thought of brexit destroying it and ALL parties knew the consequences ‐ the gaslighting was on another level. The DUP may truly be stupid though.
You must be the same generation as me,I agree with you how can people who saw the troubles & lived through all the bomb threats not be terrified at the idea of the GFA being broken??
I remember a member of the Question Time audience once said something like "if the northern ireland want out then tell them to go, and same goes for Scotland and Wales". It is such an English person mindset
It's always been the mindset. English independence would never be framed as that, it would be achieved by Scotland Wales and NI leaving THEM. Many English think England *is* the UK. The rest of us are just lucky "members" of the union. Union my arse.
In ENGLAND 'particularly' there is a centuaries-old IGNORANCE/ARROGANCE attitude around issues pertaining to IRELAND. The fact that it still exists to this day is truely shameful but when used as a political tool it is unambiguously WILLFUL!
You couldn’t be more wrong. Most English people scratch their heads when the subject of Ireland comes up. They don’t understand the violence and hatred the Catholics and Protestants have for each other, as this has never happened in England. Some Irish, Scots and Welsh nationalists seem to be always trying to beat the English with the Arrogance stick. Maybe it’s because England is so much bigger, population-wise and economically.
Tine for a Thank You to all the participants at Novara. Would love to see the day you take over what passes for journalism nowadays. ( soon!) All the Best, you Young Gods! 😌👑
I served in Crossmaglen, South Armagh, Northern Ireland in 1979. So I think I have a good grasp of the N.I. problem. I think reunification will ultimately resolve this political dilemma. The DUP are holding back the rest of Northern Ireland. We live in a split country where there is a minority group that are still of the imperialist mentality and can’t accept change. Great Britain is no longer Great! We have failed as a nation and a people, BREXIT proved that.
english still know 0 about Scotland. my own cousin shower her english arrogance when arguing with me re Scottish tax system. she was not going to amit she was wrong. i, a born and bred Scot, in her eyes, knew less than her, english born and bed and public school taught, about the Scotzish govmt than she. their arrogance combined with arrogance knows no bounds. at secondary i was tauggt about the war, ww2 and russian revolution. i do however feel Scots r more politically aware than english. always have been. we r also totally different pple, u can see this by the way we vote and how our govmt functions. i can no longer take being subjected to the qualms of an english electorate. Scotland's choice, Scotland's decision.
We mustn't forget that Sue-Ellen Braverman was a kind of glorified conveyancing lawyer before being elevated to Attorney General. He QC is an honorary on that the AG is entitled to.Obviously, she's not out of the top drawer intellectually or she wouldn't be in the cabinet. Questions of Northern Ireland are well above her competence level.
My family is all Irish, but I grew up in the UK, so all my family would talk about Irish unification, the good friday agreement, etc. I was always told about the UK's colonisation, and my family were/still are very pro united Ireland, so I was always told this. I couldnt believe that so many people didnt know about any of this!
Very like my family. From Liverpool of Irish decent on both sides and my granddad was a Dubliner. Lots of history and rebel songs at family get togethers! 😄
Got lots of northern Irish folk near me, they all voted brexit, there thinking was it would draw back Northern Ireland back into the uk, instead it’s done the opposite. Loving it. If I’d known I would have voted brexit, one aim for me, a united ireland, and it feels like my foes are doing the job for me.. hehe
Not an ignorance among "English people", but among "South East Protestant English people". Most people around The North West - Manchester, Liverpool, Cheshire, Merseyside, etc. - have a pretty good grasp of Irish politics. And most Catholics across the UK are well informed on the subject.
Thanks for posting this guys. I have been brought up in Scotland and studied Edinburgh which seems to have a larger amount of English applicants to its top schools. I’ve been on the receiving end of a lot of really interesting/patronising comments about peoples voting intentions regarding an independence referendum in Scotland. My Irish comrades have had much the same (as well as much more micro aggressions and downright xenophobia). Ignorance is really the only way of putting it. Really great having a media which actually attempts to inform the wider electorate about these issues.
maybe it's a little naive on my part but i'm still fascinated as a non-caucasian person who lives in a predominantly white society (australia) by white-on-white racism and discrimination. of course it's conceivable that these things can happen - one need only look at human history and world wars II and III to realise that europeans didn't get along at different points in time and for varying reasons. when i first learnt of irish people (white and no-one blinks an eyelid them at these days. "fully assimilated" , the phrase would be) being discriminated against when they first immigrated to australia as catholics in the face of a protestant majority, i was actually shocked. i get now that it was because of the religion (another thing to be at odds with other groups for) but to me, they're still white. it just goes to show that different human groups who even have a similar appearance will also potentially squabble and in the absence of more different-looking people from other ethnic groups who appear more 'foreign' to you to send your negativity to and blame everything on, you'd start to go after each other. it's like the existence of non-white immigrants has given all the 'white' people (interesting that over time, the definition of who gets to be called "white" has changed over time) a reason to band together and go after non-caucasians but then i'm reminded of such situations with the irish, etc...
@@lowkeyconvert8971 How can I put this? All those depictions of African people as monkeys? The British media of the 18th and 19th centuries applied them to Irish people. Even some members of the Irish Protestant Ascendancy, like Charles Stewart Parnell, were so depicted. And he was the leader of the Irish Parliamentary Party, frequently the kingmaker in British parliamentary politics of the day.... Brixit has normalised a deep-rooted strain of anti-Irish bigotry in British, especially English, society. We thought it had ended, but it had merely gone underground, where it festered until Brixit, and the general xenophobia associated with it, released it once again. We are not at the level of the signs on boarding houses in the UK which specified 'No Blacks, No Dogs and No Irish' yet, but then the Irish community on Britain is ageing, shrinking and dying, and has no need of boarding houses.
There's no such place as "Southern Ireland". The name of the country is Ireland. The most northerly part of our Ireland is in the Republic so exactly where is Southern Ireland? Wexford, Cork? Seriously! 🙄
@Tom Walsh As an Irish person, I'd maybe use 'southern Ireland' to refer to Munster, or Cork. "Southern Ireland' was a British state construct which had a very short lifespan. It vanished into the dustbin of history around a century ago....
As a Dubliner who has visited England over the years I was warmly welcomed, in so far as warm as the English are ( they’re very reserved.) what most had thought is a paternalistic view of Ireland. “ welcome to the mainland” was a common greeting, and “ your really British though aren’t you? Different passport , different government, different country. Different culture in the main, but the peoples of the islands have a huge amount in common. But ireland must be viewed by England as separate and equal, not a black sheep of the family
I actually really love English culture, but big empathy with what you're saying, I've sometimes been shocked by how casually otherwise friendly English people write off Ireland as basically not being a real country.
@@FabianMacGintyONeill I have met very few English people who have written off Ireland as "not being a real country"... I always remind them of how we fought them for centuries to retain our Irish identity and with it our culture, language, etc. I always say "Do you think we fought British rule for centuries for the laugh of it or something? When people fight, they fight for a good reason and when a nation fights it's because something was taken away from them" We fought Britain back: The two Desmond Rebellions took place in 1569-1573 and 1579-1583 to *fight against the threat of the extension of the English government* over the province. The successful Battle of Clontibret was *fought against the British* in County Monaghan in 1595. The successful Battle of the Yellow Ford was *fought against the British* in County Armagh in 1598. The Nine Years' War, sometimes called Tyrone's Rebellion took place in Ireland from 1593 to 1603. It was fought between an Irish alliance to *fight against English rule in Ireland.* The Rebellion of 1641 took place when Irish Catholics were being threatened by expansion of the anti-Catholic English Parliament and Scottish Planters and they *rebelled against English and Protestant domination.* The Irish Rebellion of 1798 was a major uprising *against British rule in Ireland.* (The Society of United Irishmen was led primarily by liberal Protestants). The Irish wanted an end to anti-Catholic discrimination, greater Irish self-governance, and to roll back the Plantations of Ireland. The Irish rebellion of 1803 was launched by Irish republicans *against British rule in Ireland* The Easter Rising of 1916 was piloted by Irish republicans *against British rule in Ireland* with the aim of establishing an independent Irish Republic. The civil rights movement in the early 1960s challenged the inequality and discrimination against ethnic Irish Catholics that was perpetrated by the Ulster Protestant community. Derry activists' marched on the 5 October 1968 in Derry, but were attacked by the RUC and loyalists. THAT IS A SNAPSHOT OF HOW WE HAVE FOUGHT AND RESISTED BOTH BRITISH RULE AND DISCRIMINATION BY THE UNIONIST COMMUNITY!
@@imastaycool To be fair, all the early rebellions you listed, up to the 1641 Rebellion, were actually fought against the English government. The Kingdom of Great Britain did not exist until 1707. There were also the Williamite Wars in Ireland, which ended in the 1690s, and the Young Irelanders' Rebellion of 1848. As a recent article in 'The Guardian' pointed out, the Irish NEVER accepted Union with Britain. Our basic problem is geographic. Like Finland, we are far too close to a much larger, and historically aggressive, neighbour.
I don't think many English realise or accept that Ireland was occupied by the British Empire for over 300 years. Ireland is always looked upon as friendly country neighbour country which it is, but the history is either ignored or overlooked. Northern Ireland was created to allow the Unionist population to have and maintain power for near on 100 years. 30 years after the troubles people are seeing the benefits of the GFA-Belfast agreement, open border to the Republic. Now thanks to Brexit the peace and stability is under threat, especially with thicko Johnson at the helm.
@@markthompson4178 "That is directly down to 2 years of Theresa May who wanted to remain. The agreement was a last minute fudge"? Horse manure! The ability of the average Brixiteer to shift responsibility onto everyone and everything else is truly awesome.... The Northern Ireland Protocol(NIP) was the direct suggestion of Alexander Boris de Pffefel Johnson, the UK's current Crime Minister, hereinafter referred to as 'BloJo'..... The details were negotiated for the UK by the UK's very own UNELECTED Bureaucrat, Lord Frosty the Not Responsible for the NIP At ALL.. The NIP was signed by BloJo, and enthusiastically and overwhemingly ratified by the UK's parliament. It was then used by BloJo, as his 'Oven-Ready Deal, as the main gimmick to win a General Election. Ms May had fuck all to do with it. The Brixiteers need to grow up, and accept responsibility for the inevitable consequences of their own idiocy.....
@@gloin10 The back stop was draft since December 2017 with Mays government. Boris wasn't elected till 2019 when he could do little about it. His thoughts was to go through with things and change later. It's a bit like we voted to join the EEC and things changed. Lets face it the Republic has had more referendum than most when it comes to various agreements with the EU and the sure thing with the EU is things change and drift to the idealistic utopia of a united states of Europe by unelected officials. If we dont like it we have the opportunity to get rid of leaders and that has just happened. It will take 20 years to divorce from the EU. Lets face it decisions make 300 years ago in Scotland and NI are still a wrangle. I suggest the future is the best focus. Europe has become extremely unstable in the last few months. Forever, a play thing between Russia and USA for domination it isnt going to be a quick fix. However, fuel stresses can be great in the long run. Especially when you can follow your own ideas.
@@markthompson4178 Oh FFS! Have you finished trying to rewrite history" Obviously not. "It's a bit like we voted to join the EEC and things changed"? Things changed because the EEC's member statres' governments.the UK'sd among them, saw the need for change. The UK's government agreed the changes, ad those changes were debated and ratified by the UK's Parliament.... "Lets face it the Republic has had more referendum than most when it comes to various agreements with the EU..."? Yes, it has because the Irish PEOPLE are sovereign. There can be NO change in our EEC/EC/EU relationship unless;ess that change is ratified by the SOVEREIGN Irish people. "...the idealistic utopia of a united states of Europe by unelected officials"? The only place that exists is in the hard vacuum that prevents your two ears bruising each other... Not a single member state government, Member of the European Parliament(MEP), or senior EU official has EVER suggested any such thing. "Europe has become extremely unstable in the last few months"? You obviously live in a very strange, fact-free, universe. Thankfully, we no longer have the slightest obligation to even pretend to listen to the nonsensical drivel coming from the likes of yourself and your ilk...
This first guy , when I was at school. Did he go to a special school. I'm not blaming him for his stupidity, but he has been given a platform to display his stupidity.
@@Paul-eb4jp Their everyday lives are entwined in politics. Leave it to others? That's how we ended up with Brexit and Bozo. Please don't makes excuses for ignorance and crass stupidity.
The people in the north of Ireland, comprehensively rejected Brexit . So that is a lot of unionists, nationalists and centrists together . It was forced on them anyway so the protocol was produced and agreed to protect them all and allow the best of both worlds. DUP rejected the Good Friday Agreement, They supported Brexit even though they knew it could be a disaster for NI. They don’t care about the economy, peace , or integration, just power and money , exactly like their buddy’s in The Conservative party and unionist party, which is a joke in itself. More or less 60 % support the protocol, yet their views mean nothing, so not a lot has changed .
"Northern Ireland" is a manufactured statelet established by parliament in 1921 as a protestant fiefdom, wherein the Catholic minority were literally second class citizens; discrimination in employment, housing, voting rights etc was institutionalised; discussion of the oppression of the minority was verboten in the English parliament until the NI civil rights movement organised, and were battered off the streets by the all-protestant RUC and "B specials", an armed protestant militia created to enforce the "special powers act" that was the envy of the South African government at the time. Michelle O'Neill is the first ever Catholic to get elected to the senior position in stormont, which is why the DUP walked out. It's got nothing to do with the protocol. They just can't have a fenian (Catholic) as "First minister". But the dinosaurs have had their day thank Christ. I wish the English took a little time to research the history of NI, it would save us all the embarrassment of know-nothings on QT making fools of themselves.
I agree with you ,if your not taught history from both sides you won't have a balanced view ,then again winners of a war yet to write history as they see it .
Interesting , your a nationalist, the majority of Protestants will not vote for a united Ireland and the first and second minister post have exactly the same power.Sein Fein vote went up 1%, the alliance party has changed the landscape.
@@barrierousePerhaps if the unionist establishment had heeded Edward Carson's parting words to treat the minority "fairly and equitably" in employment, housing and the rest, catholics would have felt they had a stake in society here, and aspirations for a "United Ireland" would have faded over time. Of course the minority were not allowed to prosper under the Unionist regime, and the rest is history, as the saying goes. I'm sure you will find this goes against your belief that the "Orange state" acted honourably at all times, and the "upstarts" in the civil rights movement had no cause to agitate for equality. The emergence of SF and the inevitability of a border poll sometime in the future could have been averted, but unionism doesn't do foresight. "No surrender" as an idealology is politically and morally bankrupt. If you fail to see that, why even debate the point?
My english nephew asked me why my surname is scottish but I live in Ireland? It turns out he was never taught any irish/british history. Nothing about Cromwell Nothing about the Plantation Nothing about the Great Irish famine Nothing about the brutal british rule of Ireland Nothing about partition! Is that standard in english education system? Mind you, I learnt most of my irish history after leaving state school in Belfast.
I was taught that stuff pre 1994 - I didn't turn up to my last 3 years of school. The only thing I can think of is that your nephew wasn't listening in class... 😬
@@7dtdfil730 So, you remember the English Civil War, and the footnote that was Cromwell in Ireland. And of course the Potato Famine, when potato blight wiped out the crop and a million Paddies starved to death? One thing I know for absolute certainty is the word Genocide was never mentioned in your education system. You're taught an English triumphallist version of the past.
@@bernardpearce3478 😅🤣😂😆😅🤣😂😆 Absolute certain, eh???? Really???? I guess my history teacher was best bar none because she did say it was genocide. She didn't last very long at our school though, obviously. Yes, all of those were mentioned - whilst we were being taught history in the "Cromwell building" of all sodding buildings. I will not be celebrating the queen's jubilee, as I don't celebrate raping and sodomising the world in pursuance of the "British empire".
Went to school in 80s-90s. Never taught any Scottish history in Scotland. Was just lucky to have some teachers who enthusiastically taught us some snippets of their own knowledge & referencing additional studies we could participate in outside school. More time was spent on the great plague in London, then WWII London bombings. I never knew anything about Scotlands history from schooling. History was dull. Defo no Irish history, I really wanted to know how my gran originally from Donegal, managed to end up in Glasgow. West of Scotland had a large influx of Irish immigrants & the heritage of that still lives to modern day. But nobody in school knows how this happened 🤔 School really isn’t about making children with a thirst for knowledge smarter and intelligent for a brighter future. They want to make the next generation of shelf stackers with a stack of debt to last 25-30 years
I come from Glasgow. In school wee groups of guys came up to me asking if I was protestant or catholic. 55 years ago. I could not understand the sense of the question. Nothing seems to have changed. I live in France now. It's better here.
People misunderstand the purpose of the NIP, it is principally there to protect a sovereign nation in the EU (Republic of Ireland) from non-conforming goods and services from UK. So you make NI a buffer that has to meet standards and laws of the EU, but also has frictionless trade with RoI. So the first thing that is missing is how fortunate NI is, as a gateway to frictionless trade to the EU.. Companies should be flooding into NI to keep the EU trade going, with no friction and checks; but the government and DUP are so down on the principles of trading with the EU they cannot admit that NI is poised to be a powerhouse of trade in the UK. They would rather have a boarder on the Island of Ireland and go back to sectarianism than look at the remarkable potential for NI.
Can I give a slightly different take on it, as an outsider? I think you misunderstand the EU's position. The NIP is there to protect the whole of the EU from non-conforming goods from GB. As there can never again be a land border in Ireland, NI got the favourable position of being part of both the UK, and the single market (for free). There was no other way to solve the situation. To protect the GFA, the EU did the only thing possible. But it's not out of principles the morons object to the protocol. For the Tories the economic success sets a dangerous example, it shows how useless they are, and how bad Brexit really is. For DUP it's even worse, it takes away their whole reason for being.
When you say "flooding the market", you are repeating a spoon fed colloquialism that has been fed to you by your favourite pro EU media. What goods do you see likely to be flooded illegally into Ireland that will have any significant impact on the European economy, given these goods will obviously be ILLEGAL to buy or sell in the EU once they cross the border? How big do you see this black market being, given the relative similarity between Ireland and the UK? Did you know there is already a black market between Ireland and the UK, mostly relating to duty and VAT differences? Do you find it interesting that this was never considered a big enough issue to erect a hard border and "jeopordise peace" previously?
@@jrton1366 I don't get your point at all... you seem ignorant on Irish affairs. There will never be a hard border on my island ever again no matter what... I don't care what you find interesting or otherwise because the aforementioned fact will never change. And when you put 'jeopardise peace' in inverted commas, again, shows your lack of understanding on the entire subject. The border in the Irish Sea is the doing of the Brits and the unionists in the occupied counties of Ireland - their ignorance on the geography, politics and legal agreements of the island got them the border in the Irish Sea. It can go nowhere else.
@@jrton1366 It's not up to you, you're not in it anymore. There will never be a border on the Island of Ireland, or a border between the RI and the EU. The single market and the customs union guarantee free movement of goods and people. But the EU have standards, that every country have to follow. GB doesn't, and it's up to you. As is your decision to not pay the members fee, or take in refugees. Then you threw out all the people that carried you. Real clever, that. Every country in the world have customs checks, except between nations inside a trade block. And you can't have a back door into the SM. Just think of all the VAT on exported goods, that would end up in the wrong country. It's both lazy and convenient to forget that part. That's why there are checks between NI and GB. Diverging standards, lack of fees that cover the common overhead, and import-taxes. Do you get it now?
@@eskileriksson4457 for the DUP it is both ideological and practical. Ideolgicaly they frame the protocol as setting NI as more aligned with ROI than GB, a grave sin in their opinion and something easy to hide the practicalities behind. In a practical sense the protocol calls for checks on goods moving between GB and NI which has disrupted the drug trafficking of the loyalist paramilitaries/gangs that support the DUP and control many protestant/unionist/loyalist communities.
Given that the former Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab at no time took the time to read the GFA (Good Friday Agreement), I suppose we shouldn't really be surprised that Braverman has real issues with getting certain facts straight. To be perfectly honest as soon as we are shot of this Conservative government the better for all concerned.
I really do wish the people of England would demand independence from the other four “nations”, to be continuously told that the other three “nations” are more costly to support through that old “Barnett or Gers” nonsense, why wouldn’t you. Only then would it be possible to hold these Westminster jokers to account and get rid of the divide and conquer, in my opinion, distractions. 🏴🏴🏴🇮🇪 totally agree with all you say 👍🏻
You are right too many Brits are ignorant about the situation in the North and are ignorant of Irish history. When the GFA was signed, I cried because for the first time it seemed Ireland could start being at peace. It was not perfect, but from 2010 onwards there has been no movement forward with the peace process and since Johnson took over it has been steadily going backwards. This Government signed up to the NI Protocol they cannot unilaterally change it because it is an International Treaty. The alternative is a hard border and we should all know that went very badly. Lastly I cannot understand the DUP trusting Johnson, he has thrown them under the bus time and time again. There will be a United Ireland in the near to medium future, the unionists would be better off trying to get the best deal they can in that context.
I cried laughing when absolutely no one responded to his outdated comment. He clearly isn’t aware of what took place in Northern Ireland leading up to the 1920’s. Or the fact that the region has been disputed since the 12th century.
Disputed since the 12th century? Ireland was first invaded in the 1100s ie the Norman Invasion, but that wasn't entirely successful. It was in the 1600s that we had the Scottish and English Planters arrive and truly colonise the north.
@@patrickyoung3503 colonisation was never truly successful otherwise we'd have way more dinosaur denying loyalists in other parts of the island... In fact, colonisation failed for the most part. The fact that England makes claim to the likes of the DUP nut balls is just funny.
@@marvinsamuels1237 You might mean 1169, which refers to the landing of the Cambro-Normans under Robert FitzStephen and Maurice de Prendergast at Bannow Bay, in County Wexford? They married into the Gaelic aristocracy and, famously, became "More Irish Than The Irish Themselves", marrying Irish women, speaking Irish, dressing as the Irish of the period did, and adopting Irish laws and customs. The statelet currently called 'Northern Ireland'(NI) became an object of serious dispute after 1609. James VI of Scotland/First of England decided that it made sense to indulge in some ethnic cleansing, and promoted the 'Plantation of Ulster' as an exercise in nation-building. He was trying to build a 'British' identity, and participation in the Plantation was to be 50% Scottish, 50% English. The project did not attract enough participants, the native Irish were allowed to stay because the planters needed labour, and the ethnic cleansing aspect was a failure.
What's even worse than him thinking that Northern Ireland is part of great Britain its that he thinks there is a country called Southern Ireland, and even the experts on here laughing at the clown in the turtle neck are as ignorant as him for not calling it out
Andrew Murphy 0 seconds ago My parents were Scots with Irish background. I was brought up in Manchester. I think not seeing blatant religious persecution firsthand (which is a good thing), the English live in a bit of a bubble when it comes to Irish history & the overall tension between Catholic & Protestant communities.
There's a history of Catholic and protestant clashes in Liverpool too. The orange lodge always had a presence there and still does though they aren't allowed to march there now and have to do it in Southport.
Northern Irish people are suffering, they voted two weeks ago and should have their democratic process respected - it is the DUP and the Tories that should ‘grow a pair’ and honour their commitments - Bojo/Tories signed a contract, as part of Brexit, this legal treaty should be respected. 💪 What next, can we go around ripping up our mortgage agreements because we have changed our minds… Tories need to get some intelligence into their party and stop with the lying and bs!
I feel the last guy kind of knew what he was talking about but he was a bit scared to say it directly. You can hear how everyone flipped out as soon as they realised what he was saying
Chinese Government: "Taiwan is part of China." Russian Government: "Ukraine part of Russia." British Unionists: "North Ireland is part of Great Britain."
@Alfred Wedmore You're missing the point. Northern Ireland can never be part of Great Britain, unless you change the geography. It's on the island of Ireland, not in Great Britain.
@Alfred Wedmore " Taiwan and Ukraine historically were part of the larger countries" So Northern Ireland wasn't part of a larger country? Absolute turnip head.
Considering , UK parliament , consists of two Tory Parties .? We have Keir Stammer , who does not have a socialist hair ,on his head .. He is a by product of Tory Bliar . and his spin doctors ... On the other side of the House we have JoBo ... always game for a party .. Downing Street , will do nicely ..
I bring my perspective to this as a Scot who spent a year living in the English Midlands for work reasons. I think general ignorance on the part of the English population is one way to explain what's happening here but I feel it goes a bit further and comes from a manifestation in the minds of a lot of English people that there is no functional difference between England, the UK and Great Britain. In the runup to the 2014 Scottish independence referendum, there was a quite widespread asking of "why" from many English people, like they were completely unable to wrap their heads around the idea that Scotland might be a different country with slightly different people and a different culture. I guess it makes it even worse when it comes to Northern Ireland as there is actually a complex politician issue and historical issue to understand before you can even begin to engage in that kind of discourse.
Yeah I agree, I'm English and to be honest even if English people in general know there is a difference it is only a flicker of knowledge compared to an overall concept that they are all the same thing. It's weird to think about but really most English people don't comprehend that England and Britain and UK are different things. Also I've known a fair few English people that don't even realise Northern and Southern Ireland have different governments. I remember a lot of English people got really quite angry that anyone in Scotland would want independence and were saying how Scotland is part of England (sic) / Britain and completely appalled or confused as to why that should be an issue at all. Another factor I find odd is that to the English Ireland may as well not even exist, I was never told anything about it at school or university and only ever heard about the country due to the IRA in the 1980s. I remember a friend's mum even banning Clannad records because it was in Gaelic and they could be singing about the IRA. There is something seriously amiss in education for both children and adults in England. But then also tbh they are even seriously ignorant about England; the geography etc.
Johnson and the far right wanted power so badly they pushed Brexit as a way to get it. However NI was insoluble but they went ahead anyway. The protocol is the only answer.
I always felt history class was lacking in secondary school. Way too much damn focus on the tudors and ww1 & 2. It's just propaganda. And I was an art student in the late 2000's to 2010's
There's a distinct lack of ignorance and care towards anything in England, I personally was never taught anything about the difference between the UK and GB in geography, I learned that thanks to UA-cam years later, we just tended to learn about more about global warming, and the populations of other countries 21 year ago, we never got taught about Colonialism or the British Empire either, if anything growing up we were being conditioned by parents and family, to somewhat hate our neighbours like the Scots, Welsh, Irish, French, even Southerners, in Dudley we grew up with a massive hatred towards West Brom and Brum a few mile down the road. This is why I couldn't care less if we all went our separate ways, good luck to them I say.
Spot on right. History when I went to school was bit on Romans, Tudors, Spanish Armada, Great Fire of London then WW2. Nothing that was really useful to know and nothing about Britain's mishaps. I, like you learn more from UA-cam years later, for example after the Spanish Armada, England sent their own armada....which failed, that always seems to get left out of the history lesson.
Fascinating. Do you not think people in Scotland or Ireland, countries that have suffered MASSIVELY with sectarian conflict have also been "conditioned" to hate their neighbours, far more so than England? Bizarre you would single out England and then mention Ireland and Scotland, two countries that have a far worse record for the crimes you list.
@@jrton1366 Specking for myself who took History for GCSE and A-level. The first was on WW1 and Louis XIV of France the latter was on the English civil war and the Stewarts. My other comment was what we were taught before GCSE (so the basic history EVERYONE at my school was taught). We never NEVER learnt anything about the British Empire or colonialism. I finished school (A-levels) in 2002.
@@jrton1366 Do we indeed...ever hear of English civilians getting massacred in the thousands by Irish? How about starved to death in their millions? How about just kicked off their lands and told they weren't welcome in England anymore? Any of that happen? No? Weird
English attitude is what comes under English rule should shut up and do as they are told, this goes way back to colonial times, and we know how that is turning out !
I'm Irish, work for a British company and I can say this isn't true for me. The English always tell I'm Irish, but never quite know whether north or south of Ireland even though I'm from Dublin. The English get too much of a bad rep.
Such ignorance is astounding...From the audience member and Suella who also hasn't a clue! The young man in fairness was too young to remember the bombing every week! I was born in 1951 in Wales but I have a full grasp of the situation! It's not an excuse. It's lack of education!
Eve we are presented to the wotld as brexit voting tory supporters , but this of course is not true , keep in mind always our media has an agenda to present to the world , cheers
Majority of english Eve B, c’mon, you’re nearly as bad as the wurzel supporter in the first clip. Most of the english population have no idea of the social and political differences of Scotland with regards england, no idea at all....
I think the schools should of done some sort of lessons on the Empire then the Commonwealth. Not to white wash and make the English superior, but to give an understanding of the impact it has had on this nation and others. I think it would make us more tolerant when citizens from the Commonwealth come to the UK to work and live and in rich our society .
@@Nice0n3 That's not correct. It was one edition and QT were clear about it in advance. A lie is still a lie no matter whether you're on the side of the angels or not.
@@peteryoungpeteryoung965 Me voting for Brexit was the best thing that I did that year. Just because we have an incompetent political elite who are using Brexit for their own agenda changes nothing.
"Who could forget the case of “Orange jacket Man”, alias failed Ukip candidate Billy Mitchell, who managed to notch up four appearances in the Question Time audience - more than most SNP politicians?" Turned out the BBC sent him invitations and "randomly " picked him out of the audience to ask a question and have an ill informed rant. Then there was the Scottish audience with Zero SNP supporters in the audience. A whole audience of unionists. No one told Fiona Bruce who appealed to the audience saying "there use be someone" but she was greeted with silence.
One thing's for sure, British schools should teach about Ireland and our interconnected history in schools, everything I know (and I know I could know more) is what I sought out myself. But I think school would take an extra 10 years to teach about everything the British Enpire did
I am English, stop blaming me for the arrogant and indifferent ruling classes that have oppressed us all. The average ordinary person in England have been treated no differently.I say again, stop blaming me.
@@paulroberts7561 Was this reply to me or a deleted comment? If it was to me... huh? How am I blaming you? I don't even know who you are. I too also live under this arrogant, indifferent ruling class but I own up to the fact that there is a huge amount of people in this country (maybe not the majority but enough to shape the course of this country) that support and... well pretty much bow down to these people. Unfortunately as long as nationalities and nationalism exist, as long as countries and imaginary borders exist, as long as leaders exist, as long as there are people who believe that their opinions are the same as facts exist, then I'm afraid we'll get dragged down with them whether you like it or not.
I have to admit, I am woefully ignorant of the history between England and Ireland. I was born in 1985, nothing on the subject was ever covered at school at any level, even though I did both GCSE History and Geography. I even took A-level politics! To this day I am throughly confused by the whole thing.
@@elipa3 Would do if I had the time. Given the crisis I find myself in with a family to feed, researching the entire history of Northern island on youtube is somewhere near the bottom of my massive list of things to do. It's enough just trying to find the time to watch Novara and keep up with current events....
Question time audiences are a picture of poor health in so many ways. Provides credence to the thought that the English education system is primarily a child care facility to allow parents to go to work for poor wages.
Unfortunately the ignorance about Northern Ireland, is very common in the Irish Republic also... But is a fact that the Tories don't give a "toss" about the welfare of the people of Northern Ireland. Or the welfare of the peoples of the UK for that matter. We Irish and those who identify as being British don't need this ignorance and political indifference too lead to another prolonged sectarian bloodbath.
I'm with Peter Hitchens, I think England should leave and Scotland Wales and NI can do what they like with their union. There is no British empire and the English should keep their noses out. I'm sure they'll all be far better off without us.
Yes please! The rest of us get on quite well together and have similar attitudes to government. More socially-minded and similar perhaps to certain Scandinavian countries. If you want to come and join our project to escape never-ending tory govt's, please feel free.
This video will probably go down badly for the british audiences considering we are very arrogant and hate absolutely being called out, but thanks for doing the good work!
Living in London, I was shocked by how little or nothing English people know about anything. My friend and I could not understand that is even possible. Not even the basic knowledge of anything. Total ignorance, zero knowledge, we were laughing at English stupidity.
Please realise that British troops are still invading ireland, the island of ireland belongs to the irish people at a whole as 32 county's, And did for thousands of years until an invading in 1600s ,
There has always been confusion about the situation in Northern Ireland. Most people see great Britain and UK as one and the same thing. Most people are not aware of the geography of the country. Not many people know the names of counties or rivers or towns.
Braverman said "the majority of the MLAs who are unionists.....". This is poorly worded and ambiguous. It could mean "the majority of MLAs are unionists". This is not true. It could also mean "the majority of unionist MLAs..." this is true. Normally in these circumstances you would apply the principle of charity and assume the speaker ment the second interpretation. While i completely understand why a tory minister should be assumed to be lying I don't think it is sensible to make that accusation when it could be refuted by a simple clarification of wording.
No minister from this current government should be broadcast without there lies being corrected, at time of broadcast. This ould be done simple banner saying this information is incorrect, then giving the true details. I can't see why anyone would have a problem with that 😀.
One ignorant guy in the audience does not speak for the English or the British more widely. Note the complete lack of recognition and acknowledgement he received from other audience members.
I was lucky to study political history in the 70s at school. We had a great teacher, who clearly rejected the flag waving colonial attitudes our parents had been brainwashed into. Funny how the BBC fails to report that most of this debacle is one lot of ignorant would be collaborators or other is having a tantrum.
The bloke also referred to 'Southern Ireland ' . We all know he meant the Irish Republic . The most northern part of the island of Ireland is actually in County Donegal , which is in the Irish Republic .
The English do not care about Ireland. in the slightest , you are correct on that. Interesting you never mention the UUP, who are to the right of the DUP. Sf voting percentage, went up 1%,. The good Friday agreement was about the Orange and the Green the alliance party has changed things, with the power balance. The next election will be interesting at some point SF , will have to mention unification and there are some catholics who don’t want this and the majority of Protestants will not vote for a united Ireland. They are never going to let SF FLA become first minister. But then again ,I’m a Brit married to a ulster girl, so what would I know.
I just hope that the people who are rightly furious with Johnson and his government's behaviour remember why and exactly what he is like when it comes the time of the next General Election in 2024 and don't just conveniently forget because Sir Keir Starmer isn't really a media personality or a celebrity who oozes charisma. I have heard all too many people saying that there's something that they don't like about Starmer and yet they would rather have someone who doesn't really care about them or their families, who actually believes that the rules and legislation shouldn't really apply to them or their cabinet members, who will stand up in the House of Commons and blatantly lie, who will accept no real form of responsibility for their actions or words and will instead seek to blame everyone else they can think of. Even his own adviser has spoken out against him, Dominic Cummings has said that he feels Lisa Nandy would make a good Labour leader and possibly even a worthy PM.
Heard this too. My theory is the English love of the quintessential posh "cad" with the loose morals and the complete antipathy towards seriousness, is a cultural phenomenon that turbo charged Brexit. Brexit is like a perfect storm of English exceptionalism. You've got the nostalgia for old empire, the "We stood alone" myth about WW2, the anti German/anti EU vibe, and the class system which allows otherwise rational people to believe a type of over privileged old etonian twit is just naturally the right material to lead the plebs.
I am from Belfast and I lived in London for a number of years. To be brutal, most English I knew barely knew or cared what happened north of Watford Gap and it was rarely worth discussing NI politics such was the level of ignorance (Not that I much wanted to). Tellingly it was an ex Green Jacket who had served here who had a reasonable appreciation of the situation, if not the complexities. Unfortunately the current cabinet are both slipshod and cavalier in their approach to every aspect of their duties so their ignorance of even the basics on Northern Ireland is totally unsurprising. The stupidity of the DUP is the reason why they got a kicking in the local elections and now they want to bugger things up so they do not have to sit with a Sinn Fein 1st Minister, at least not without extracting some sort of 'victory' over something. The fact that there are the same number of unionist MLAs as nationalist but split three ways is totally down to the DUP who have been more interested in screwing the UUP for the last 45 years than actually achieving anything. By the way, Sinn Fein did not actually gain any seats, rather the DUP, UUP and the nationalist SDLP lost seats, which were, effectively, 'picked up' by the non-sectarian Alliance Party (Yay!).
Ignorance is what feeds the power of the Tories...its their life force. They need people to be angry, ignorant and ill informed with a belief that everything that is wrong in this country or isn't working out is the fault of foreign elements.
Indeed. Saying that from day 1. How can you have a referendum thar seeks to change your constitutional status vis a vis the EU, when your citizens in N.Ireland are entitled to Irish/EU citizenship via the Good Friday Agreement. Let's be honest, any serious govt with honest intentions wouldn't have called that ref. But it was David Cameron, so there you go.
It’s not how little they know about Northern Ireland it’s how little they know about ireland period.
Growing up in a Welsh, working class, consciously Socialist, home in the 60's I was made aware of the situation in Ireland and Northern Ireland through conversations I overheard. The consensus across family and neighbours was always that the English had "no bloody business over there anyway, they've done nothing but create death and hell". There was anger expressed at how the Irish people were treated, both historically when they were at home and when they had to come here looking for work. They also talked about the famine, the cause of the famine, the food that was "stolen" and how children were reduced to eating grass. I distinctly remember my Mother talking about Queen Victoria "graciously sent £5. To feed the whole of Ireland!" in sneering tones more than once. (It was actually £2000 but that myth persists). All of that before The Troubles became a regular part of the tea time news! My family didn't dislike English *people*, but they despised the English ruling class. The kid's party for the 1977 Jubilee was an odd affair 😂😂😂 Yes to jelly & ice cream, no to waving flags.
A United Ireland would serve these Tories right! In the event that happens, I have asked a couple of friends in NI to adopt me as their Granny.
I went to a grammar school in the 1970s, and wasn't very good at Latin, so during the 3rd year had extra history and geography instead. Our history teacher Dai Joseph, gave us a very interesting take on the 'Troubles' and the appalling treatment of the Catholic community in Northern Ireland. I doubt the curriculum these days is as enlightened.
But is wasn't the 'English' over there. It was the British. Very prominently, that included settlers from England and Scotland, but also Wales. No-one in Britain can legitimately distance themselves from British colonialism, every home nation played a part in it, often with gusto.
I totally agree . British Empire mentality . Devide and Rule . Diolch yn fawr ..
@Shep Raynham Keep strong my friend, and thanks for understanding.
@Shep Raynham we are your neighbour and brothers and sisters, the past is the past. It is none of our business but for everyone’s Benefit, for all of us to prosper, your ruling class,Eton and the tories, the royals, they have to be removed.
Thank you for your words and honesty, I wish you all the love in the world.x
When you listen to the UK Attorney General you can see why the Irish are so fed up with British rule.
How can you discuss anything with someone so sure of themselves that they don't realise their own stupidity?
Classic Dunning Krueger. Rampant in the Tory Party.
Who t.f. placed ms. Braverman in such an exalted position in the first place? My mate's pet cat has more legal bearing, ffs!
@@davidripley2916 shes a boris yes person tho. sycophants only pls
I mean the millions dead because of Westminster policy are what really comes at the top of the list but sure, this is annoying today.
She is an absolute nobody in legal circles
I'm an english person in my 30's, and I was never taught about ireland whatsoever. None of the history, not the troubles, not the IRA, absolutely nothing at all. And I think it is worth me sharing this because I cannot be the only one who is largely ignorant on this subject, so this is a context which is very important
stay on youtube and watch irish history
Why would someone English spend their time in history learning specifically about Ireland? Do you understand the length and significance of English and British history? It would be impossible to cover the entirety in a school curriculum. What makes Ireland so special? Indians say the same thing. So do Jamaicans. So do Nigerians. So do Australians. So do Germans, French and Russians.
@shreddherring...
Ireland was invaded, colonised and partitioned by Britain. Simply put.
First invasion in the 1100s called the Norman Invasion which wasn't entirely successful.
Then we has the Scottish and English Planters who arrived as per The Plantations in 16th- and 17th-century. This involved the *confiscation of Irish-owned land* by the English Crown and the colonisation of land with settlers from Britain.
The following is a snapshot of how we fought back:
The two Desmond Rebellions took place in 1569-1573 and 1579-1583 to *fight against the threat of the extension of the English government* over the province.
The successful Battle of Clontibret was *fought against the British* in County Monaghan in 1595.
The successful Battle of the Yellow Ford was *fought against the British* in County Armagh in 1598.
The Nine Years' War, sometimes called Tyrone's Rebellion took place in Ireland from 1593 to 1603. It was fought between an Irish alliance to *fight against English rule in Ireland.*
The Rebellion of 1641 took place when Irish Catholics were being threatened by expansion of the anti-Catholic English Parliament and Scottish Planters and they *rebelled against English and Protestant domination.*
The Irish Rebellion of 1798 was a major uprising *against British rule in Ireland.* (The Society of United Irishmen was led primarily by liberal Protestants).
The Irish wanted an end to anti-Catholic discrimination, greater Irish self-governance, and to roll back the Plantations of Ireland.
The Irish rebellion of 1803 was launched by Irish republicans *against British rule in Ireland*
The Easter Rising of 1916 was piloted by Irish republicans *against British rule in Ireland* with the aim of establishing an independent Irish Republic.
The civil rights movement in the early 1960s challenged the inequality and discrimination against ethnic Irish Catholics that was perpetrated by the Ulster Protestant community.
Derry activists' marched on the 5 October 1968 in Derry, but were *attacked by the RUC and loyalists*
@@jrton1366 My first year in Government at Sydney University involved the government and governance of the Commonwealth of Australia, Australian states and the United Kingdom.. Even though New South Welshmen and women think of themselves as special
An honest answer ,fair play to you .
The DUP's support of Theresa May made me even more in favour of a united Ireland. Even though I'm an English protestant.
Protestant and Catholic actually has very little to do with it, the British Government narrative is the " two tribes " locked in perpetual conflic narrativet. Catholic and Protestant were just the most convenient labels upon which to divide the people in order to maintain British hegemony in Ireland and protect their interests here. Ireland the first and last colony as always was collateral in a bigger game.
I mean there were plenty of english prostesants who wanted to separate from the empire in the past. It was actually something that scared the shit out of the Aristocracy and led to things like the Penal Laws. People were united by class so they had to be divided by the magic sky beard.
Ditto myself. I started believing in a united Ireland after 'Bloody Sunday' happened in 1972.
Let someone come out of this debacle better.
It going tobe the hole of Ireland!
My best friend is from the midlands in England and he had never even heard of the Great Famine before he moved over here. The English have no idea about the damage England has done to Ireland historically.
I never joined the regular British Army because I did not want to be part of an occupation army. So I joined the TA instead.
I find a lot of Irish have delusions about the Orange Mob.
And they are the problem.
I can't remember the number of times I've been told that they will go home to Britain when their whole culture is about not leaving and No Surrender.
I'm from Dudley, smack bang in the midlands, went to school through the entire 90s and yeah I was never taught anything about that, I never got taught anything about Ireland, Colonialism or the Empire, in history we learned about US slavery, Waterloo and WW1 and 2, which was mainly shown via video on the old huge wheel in teles
@@TableTopWolf1984 I didn't turn up to my last 3 years of high school (my final year was in '97).
Yet I remember reading, in class, about the famine and about colonialism and Englands' raping and pillaging the majority of the world in order to make the "British empire"... how stoned were you guys??
@@7dtdfil730 school in special measures where only 18% passed with a gcse grade c or above, a completely failing school who basically put films on for us most of the time, sometimes we bought our own stuff in like Braindead or Ali G, they really didn't care, in year 11 you didn't even have to turn up if you didn't want too, we were failed massively, and people wonder why the vast majority of people I went to school with are now jobless and have been for many years, the class clown hasn't ever had a job and is proud of it.
Few years later the headteacher got done for falsifying attendance numbers and grades, it's still in special measures and has an attrocious ofsted report, but the others round here ain't any better either, no wonder 1/3 of our total population is economically inactive.
There's ignorance towards Ireland in the UK because in history classes we're taught more about American history than we are about our own.
If we were taught our own history maybe we could dump this ridiculous "Britain is the best" mindset
Speaking as someone born in 1952, the older gentleman who didn't understand the difference in composition of Great Britain as compared to the United Kingdom clearly wasn't paying attention in either history or geography classes as the ones I attended in my inner city Secondary School covered the difference comprehensively. So don't give idiots like him a let, he doesn't know because doesn't want to know, as the facts don't fit his petty view of the world.
Yep some people are just thick.
The way history is taught in the uk till this day is biased regardless.
I don’t know how he doesn’t understand U.K. history…..I mean he looks like he just walked here from 1900’s London guv’ner!
Totally agree Trevor, I too was born and in 52 and we were taught about this in detail. No excuse for this ignorant man.
I too was born in 1952 educated (if you can call it that) in a Catholic secondary modern school and I am well aware of the difference between Great Britain and the United Kingdom. It just goes to show that some ignorance is wilful!
I grew up with the threat of nuclear war at any moment but I also grew up with the threat of an IRA car bomb going off at any moment (London).
The news was full of sectarian violence, IRA hunger strikes, Gerry Adams de‐ voiced. We even read Across the Barricades at school.
How can people my age and over that grew up in the UK be so unaware of the NI issue!?
The GFA was such a moment of pure hope in humanity.
I despaired at the thought of brexit destroying it and ALL parties knew the consequences ‐ the gaslighting was on another level. The DUP may truly be stupid though.
You must be the same generation as me,I agree with you how can people who saw the troubles & lived through all the bomb threats not be terrified at the idea of the GFA being broken??
Ignorance in Britain! Excuse me but I believe the people of Scotland are not ignorant about the situation in Ireland.
I remember a member of the Question Time audience once said something like "if the northern ireland want out then tell them to go, and same goes for Scotland and Wales". It is such an English person mindset
It's always been the mindset. English independence would never be framed as that, it would be achieved by Scotland Wales and NI leaving THEM. Many English think England *is* the UK. The rest of us are just lucky "members" of the union. Union my arse.
I am totally fine with Wales being independent from your a-hole politicians and thieving establishment.
GAMMONS !!
**Right wing English** mindset the rest of us know our union is utter b.s and that we don't deserve this (now)miniscule "empire".
English people don’t realise how volatile and tentative everything is. They don’t realise they need other countries more than they need them.
The English never remember, The Irish never forget
And the Americans think they're Irish
In ENGLAND 'particularly' there is a centuaries-old IGNORANCE/ARROGANCE attitude around issues pertaining to IRELAND.
The fact that it still exists to this day is truely shameful but when used as a political tool it is unambiguously WILLFUL!
You couldn’t be more wrong. Most English people scratch their heads when the subject of Ireland comes up. They don’t understand the violence and hatred the Catholics and Protestants have for each other, as this has never happened in England. Some Irish, Scots and Welsh nationalists seem to be always trying to beat the English with the Arrogance stick. Maybe it’s because England is so much bigger, population-wise and economically.
exists towards Scotland too.
Exists towards the world world to be precise
Tine for a Thank You to all the participants at Novara.
Would love to see the day you take over what passes for journalism nowadays.
( soon!) All the Best, you Young Gods! 😌👑
Totally agree.
Give Ireland back to the Irish ✊
John Lennon🤔
@@gregorysheppard6968 didn't the beeb ban it?
I served in Crossmaglen, South Armagh, Northern Ireland in 1979. So I think I have a good grasp of the N.I. problem. I think reunification will ultimately resolve this political dilemma. The DUP are holding back the rest of Northern Ireland.
We live in a split country where there is a minority group that are still of the imperialist mentality and can’t accept change. Great Britain is no longer Great! We have failed as a nation and a people, BREXIT proved that.
too true, it's absurd how little we get taught in school about literally the only country the UK shares a border with!
english still know 0 about Scotland. my own cousin shower her english arrogance when arguing with me re Scottish tax system. she was not going to amit she was wrong. i, a born and bred Scot, in her eyes, knew less than her, english born and bed and public school taught, about the Scotzish govmt than she. their arrogance combined with arrogance knows no bounds. at secondary i was tauggt about the war, ww2 and russian revolution. i do however feel Scots r more politically aware than english. always have been. we r also totally different pple, u can see this by the way we vote and how our govmt functions. i can no longer take being subjected to the qualms of an english electorate. Scotland's choice, Scotland's decision.
Spain ?
@@FlushGorgon ah good catch haha 😅
We mustn't forget that Sue-Ellen Braverman was a kind of glorified conveyancing lawyer before being elevated to Attorney General. He QC is an honorary on that the AG is entitled to.Obviously, she's not out of the top drawer intellectually or she wouldn't be in the cabinet. Questions of Northern Ireland are well above her competence level.
My family is all Irish, but I grew up in the UK, so all my family would talk about Irish unification, the good friday agreement, etc. I was always told about the UK's colonisation, and my family were/still are very pro united Ireland, so I was always told this. I couldnt believe that so many people didnt know about any of this!
Very like my family. From Liverpool of Irish decent on both sides and my granddad was a Dubliner. Lots of history and rebel songs at family get togethers! 😄
Got lots of northern Irish folk near me, they all voted brexit, there thinking was it would draw back Northern Ireland back into the uk, instead it’s done the opposite. Loving it. If I’d known I would have voted brexit, one aim for me, a united ireland, and it feels like my foes are doing the job for me.. hehe
Not an ignorance among "English people", but among "South East Protestant English people". Most people around The North West - Manchester, Liverpool, Cheshire, Merseyside, etc. - have a pretty good grasp of Irish politics. And most Catholics across the UK are well informed on the subject.
Thanks for posting this guys. I have been brought up in Scotland and studied Edinburgh which seems to have a larger amount of English applicants to its top schools. I’ve been on the receiving end of a lot of really interesting/patronising comments about peoples voting intentions regarding an independence referendum in Scotland. My Irish comrades have had much the same (as well as much more micro aggressions and downright xenophobia). Ignorance is really the only way of putting it. Really great having a media which actually attempts to inform the wider electorate about these issues.
maybe it's a little naive on my part but i'm still fascinated as a non-caucasian person who lives in a predominantly white society (australia) by white-on-white racism and discrimination.
of course it's conceivable that these things can happen - one need only look at human history and world wars II and III to realise that europeans didn't get along at different points in time and for varying reasons. when i first learnt of irish people (white and no-one blinks an eyelid them at these days. "fully assimilated" , the phrase would be) being discriminated against when they first immigrated to australia as catholics in the face of a protestant majority, i was actually shocked. i get now that it was because of the religion (another thing to be at odds with other groups for) but to me, they're still white.
it just goes to show that different human groups who even have a similar appearance will also potentially squabble and in the absence of more different-looking people from other ethnic groups who appear more 'foreign' to you to send your negativity to and blame everything on, you'd start to go after each other.
it's like the existence of non-white immigrants has given all the 'white' people (interesting that over time, the definition of who gets to be called "white" has changed over time) a reason to band together and go after non-caucasians but then i'm reminded of such situations with the irish, etc...
@@lowkeyconvert8971
How can I put this?
All those depictions of African people as monkeys?
The British media of the 18th and 19th centuries applied them to Irish people. Even some members of the Irish Protestant Ascendancy, like Charles Stewart Parnell, were so depicted.
And he was the leader of the Irish Parliamentary Party, frequently the kingmaker in British parliamentary politics of the day....
Brixit has normalised a deep-rooted strain of anti-Irish bigotry in British, especially English, society.
We thought it had ended, but it had merely gone underground, where it festered until Brixit, and the general xenophobia associated with it, released it once again.
We are not at the level of the signs on boarding houses in the UK which specified 'No Blacks, No Dogs and No Irish' yet, but then the Irish community on Britain is ageing, shrinking and dying, and has no need of boarding houses.
There's no such place as "Southern Ireland". The name of the country is Ireland. The most northerly part of our Ireland is in the Republic so exactly where is Southern Ireland? Wexford, Cork? Seriously! 🙄
@Tom Walsh
As an Irish person, I'd maybe use 'southern Ireland' to refer to Munster, or Cork.
"Southern Ireland' was a British state construct which had a very short lifespan. It vanished into the dustbin of history around a century ago....
Well put,
As a Dubliner who has visited England over the years I was warmly welcomed, in so far as warm as the English are ( they’re very reserved.) what most had thought is a paternalistic view of Ireland. “ welcome to the mainland” was a common greeting, and “ your really British though aren’t you?
Different passport , different government, different country. Different culture in the main, but the peoples of the islands have a huge amount in common. But ireland must be viewed by England as separate and equal, not a black sheep of the family
I actually really love English culture, but big empathy with what you're saying, I've sometimes been shocked by how casually otherwise friendly English people write off Ireland as basically not being a real country.
@@FabianMacGintyONeill I have met very few English people who have written off Ireland as "not being a real country"...
I always remind them of how we fought them for centuries to retain our Irish identity and with it our culture, language, etc.
I always say "Do you think we fought British rule for centuries for the laugh of it or something? When people fight, they fight for a good reason and when a nation fights it's because something was taken away from them"
We fought Britain back:
The two Desmond Rebellions took place in 1569-1573 and 1579-1583 to *fight against the threat of the extension of the English government* over the province.
The successful Battle of Clontibret was *fought against the British* in County Monaghan in 1595.
The successful Battle of the Yellow Ford was *fought against the British* in County Armagh in 1598.
The Nine Years' War, sometimes called Tyrone's Rebellion took place in Ireland from 1593 to 1603. It was fought between an Irish alliance to *fight against English rule in Ireland.*
The Rebellion of 1641 took place when Irish Catholics were being threatened by expansion of the anti-Catholic English Parliament and Scottish Planters and they *rebelled against English and Protestant domination.*
The Irish Rebellion of 1798 was a major uprising *against British rule in Ireland.* (The Society of United Irishmen was led primarily by liberal Protestants).
The Irish wanted an end to anti-Catholic discrimination, greater Irish self-governance, and to roll back the Plantations of Ireland.
The Irish rebellion of 1803 was launched by Irish republicans *against British rule in Ireland*
The Easter Rising of 1916 was piloted by Irish republicans *against British rule in Ireland* with the aim of establishing an independent Irish Republic.
The civil rights movement in the early 1960s challenged the inequality and discrimination against ethnic Irish Catholics that was perpetrated by the Ulster Protestant community.
Derry activists' marched on the 5 October 1968 in Derry, but were attacked by the RUC and loyalists.
THAT IS A SNAPSHOT OF HOW WE HAVE FOUGHT AND RESISTED BOTH BRITISH RULE AND DISCRIMINATION BY THE UNIONIST COMMUNITY!
@@imastaycool
To be fair, all the early rebellions you listed, up to the 1641 Rebellion, were actually fought against the English government.
The Kingdom of Great Britain did not exist until 1707.
There were also the Williamite Wars in Ireland, which ended in the 1690s, and the Young Irelanders' Rebellion of 1848.
As a recent article in 'The Guardian' pointed out, the Irish NEVER accepted Union with Britain.
Our basic problem is geographic. Like Finland, we are far too close to a much larger, and historically aggressive, neighbour.
I don't think many English realise or accept that Ireland was occupied by the British Empire for over 300 years. Ireland is always looked upon as friendly country neighbour country which it is, but the history is either ignored or overlooked. Northern Ireland was created to allow the Unionist population to have and maintain power for near on 100 years. 30 years after the troubles people are seeing the benefits of the GFA-Belfast agreement, open border to the Republic. Now thanks to Brexit the peace and stability is under threat, especially with thicko Johnson at the helm.
That is directly down to 2 years of Theresa May who wanted to remain. The agreement was a last minute fudge
800 years actually. First invasion of Ireland occurred in the 12th century by Anglo-Normans, Irish independence achieved in the 20th.
@@markthompson4178
"That is directly down to 2 years of Theresa May who wanted to remain. The agreement was a last minute fudge"?
Horse manure!
The ability of the average Brixiteer to shift responsibility onto everyone and everything else is truly awesome....
The Northern Ireland Protocol(NIP) was the direct suggestion of Alexander Boris de Pffefel Johnson, the UK's current Crime Minister, hereinafter referred to as 'BloJo'.....
The details were negotiated for the UK by the UK's very own UNELECTED Bureaucrat, Lord Frosty the Not Responsible for the NIP At ALL..
The NIP was signed by BloJo, and enthusiastically and overwhemingly ratified by the UK's parliament.
It was then used by BloJo, as his 'Oven-Ready Deal, as the main gimmick to win a General Election.
Ms May had fuck all to do with it.
The Brixiteers need to grow up, and accept responsibility for the inevitable consequences of their own idiocy.....
@@gloin10 The back stop was draft since December 2017 with Mays government. Boris wasn't elected till 2019 when he could do little about it. His thoughts was to go through with things and change later. It's a bit like we voted to join the EEC and things changed. Lets face it the Republic has had more referendum than most when it comes to various agreements with the EU and the sure thing with the EU is things change and drift to the idealistic utopia of a united states of Europe by unelected officials. If we dont like it we have the opportunity to get rid of leaders and that has just happened. It will take 20 years to divorce from the EU. Lets face it decisions make 300 years ago in Scotland and NI are still a wrangle. I suggest the future is the best focus. Europe has become extremely unstable in the last few months. Forever, a play thing between Russia and USA for domination it isnt going to be a quick fix. However, fuel stresses can be great in the long run. Especially when you can follow your own ideas.
@@markthompson4178
Oh FFS!
Have you finished trying to rewrite history"
Obviously not.
"It's a bit like we voted to join the EEC and things changed"?
Things changed because the EEC's member statres' governments.the UK'sd among them, saw the need for change.
The UK's government agreed the changes, ad those changes were debated and ratified by the UK's Parliament....
"Lets face it the Republic has had more referendum than most when it comes to various agreements with the EU..."?
Yes, it has because the Irish PEOPLE are sovereign. There can be NO change in our EEC/EC/EU relationship unless;ess that change is ratified by the SOVEREIGN Irish people.
"...the idealistic utopia of a united states of Europe by unelected officials"?
The only place that exists is in the hard vacuum that prevents your two ears bruising each other...
Not a single member state government, Member of the European Parliament(MEP), or senior EU official has EVER suggested any such thing.
"Europe has become extremely unstable in the last few months"?
You obviously live in a very strange, fact-free, universe.
Thankfully, we no longer have the slightest obligation to even pretend to listen to the nonsensical drivel coming from the likes of yourself and your ilk...
This first guy , when I was at school. Did he go to a special school. I'm not blaming him for his stupidity, but he has been given a platform to display his stupidity.
Typical of the british public . Truth be known , there is so much apathy in UK .
Soon voting @ polical elections , will be a non event ..
@@Paul-eb4jp Their everyday lives are entwined in politics. Leave it to others? That's how we ended up with Brexit and Bozo. Please don't makes excuses for ignorance and crass stupidity.
We are ignorant about the English.
We are British when a Scott wins, we are English when a Essex boy, girl, wins.🤔
The people in the north of Ireland, comprehensively rejected Brexit .
So that is a lot of unionists, nationalists and centrists together .
It was forced on them anyway so the protocol was produced and agreed to protect them all and allow the best of both worlds.
DUP rejected the Good Friday Agreement,
They supported Brexit even though they knew it could be a disaster for NI.
They don’t care about the economy, peace , or integration, just power and money , exactly like their buddy’s in The Conservative party and unionist party, which is a joke in itself. More or less 60 % support the protocol, yet their views mean nothing, so not a lot has changed .
"Northern Ireland" is a manufactured statelet established by parliament in 1921 as a protestant fiefdom, wherein the Catholic minority were literally second class citizens; discrimination in employment, housing, voting rights etc was institutionalised; discussion of the oppression of the minority was verboten in the English parliament until the NI civil rights movement organised, and were battered off the streets by the all-protestant RUC and "B specials", an armed protestant militia created to enforce the "special powers act" that was the envy of the South African government at the time. Michelle O'Neill is the first ever Catholic to get elected to the senior position in stormont, which is why the DUP walked out. It's got nothing to do with the protocol. They just can't have a fenian (Catholic) as "First minister". But the dinosaurs have had their day thank Christ. I wish the English took a little time to research the history of NI, it would save us all the embarrassment of know-nothings on QT making fools of themselves.
I agree with you ,if your not taught history from both sides you won't have a balanced view ,then again winners of a war yet to write history as they see it .
Interesting , your a nationalist, the majority of Protestants will not vote for a united Ireland and the first and second minister post have exactly the same power.Sein Fein vote went up 1%, the alliance party has changed the landscape.
@@barrierousePerhaps if the unionist establishment had heeded Edward Carson's parting words to treat the minority "fairly and equitably" in employment, housing and the rest, catholics would have felt they had a stake in society here, and aspirations for a "United Ireland" would have faded over time. Of course the minority were not allowed to prosper under the Unionist regime, and the rest is history, as the saying goes. I'm sure you will find this goes against your belief that the "Orange state" acted honourably at all times, and the "upstarts" in the civil rights movement had no cause to agitate for equality. The emergence of SF and the inevitability of a border poll sometime in the future could have been averted, but unionism doesn't do foresight. "No surrender" as an idealology is politically and morally bankrupt. If you fail to see that, why even debate the point?
My english nephew asked me why my surname is scottish but I live in Ireland?
It turns out he was never taught any irish/british history.
Nothing about Cromwell
Nothing about the Plantation
Nothing about the Great Irish famine
Nothing about the brutal british rule of Ireland
Nothing about partition!
Is that standard in english education system?
Mind you, I learnt most of my irish history after leaving state school in Belfast.
I was taught that stuff pre 1994 - I didn't turn up to my last 3 years of school. The only thing I can think of is that your nephew wasn't listening in class... 😬
@@7dtdfil730 So, you remember the English Civil War, and the footnote that was Cromwell in Ireland. And of course the Potato Famine, when potato blight wiped out the crop and a million Paddies starved to death?
One thing I know for absolute certainty is the word Genocide was never mentioned in your education system. You're taught an English triumphallist version of the past.
@@bernardpearce3478 😅🤣😂😆😅🤣😂😆
Absolute certain, eh???? Really????
I guess my history teacher was best bar none because she did say it was genocide. She didn't last very long at our school though, obviously.
Yes, all of those were mentioned - whilst we were being taught history in the "Cromwell building" of all sodding buildings.
I will not be celebrating the queen's jubilee, as I don't celebrate raping and sodomising the world in pursuance of the "British empire".
@@Paul-eb4jp yes, our schools are an improvement on 1980s' schools, you're right.
Went to school in 80s-90s. Never taught any Scottish history in Scotland. Was just lucky to have some teachers who enthusiastically taught us some snippets of their own knowledge & referencing additional studies we could participate in outside school. More time was spent on the great plague in London, then WWII London bombings. I never knew anything about Scotlands history from schooling. History was dull. Defo no Irish history, I really wanted to know how my gran originally from Donegal, managed to end up in Glasgow. West of Scotland had a large influx of Irish immigrants & the heritage of that still lives to modern day. But nobody in school knows how this happened 🤔
School really isn’t about making children with a thirst for knowledge smarter and intelligent for a brighter future. They want to make the next generation of shelf stackers with a stack of debt to last 25-30 years
I come from Glasgow. In school wee groups of guys came up to me asking if I was protestant or catholic. 55 years ago. I could not understand the sense of the question. Nothing seems to have changed. I live in France now. It's better here.
People misunderstand the purpose of the NIP, it is principally there to protect a sovereign nation in the EU (Republic of Ireland) from non-conforming goods and services from UK. So you make NI a buffer that has to meet standards and laws of the EU, but also has frictionless trade with RoI. So the first thing that is missing is how fortunate NI is, as a gateway to frictionless trade to the EU.. Companies should be flooding into NI to keep the EU trade going, with no friction and checks; but the government and DUP are so down on the principles of trading with the EU they cannot admit that NI is poised to be a powerhouse of trade in the UK. They would rather have a boarder on the Island of Ireland and go back to sectarianism than look at the remarkable potential for NI.
Can I give a slightly different take on it, as an outsider?
I think you misunderstand the EU's position. The NIP is there to protect the whole of the EU from non-conforming goods from GB. As there can never again be a land border in Ireland, NI got the favourable position of being part of both the UK, and the single market (for free).
There was no other way to solve the situation. To protect the GFA, the EU did the only thing possible.
But it's not out of principles the morons object to the protocol. For the Tories the economic success sets a dangerous example, it shows how useless they are, and how bad Brexit really is.
For DUP it's even worse, it takes away their whole reason for being.
When you say "flooding the market", you are repeating a spoon fed colloquialism that has been fed to you by your favourite pro EU media.
What goods do you see likely to be flooded illegally into Ireland that will have any significant impact on the European economy, given these goods will obviously be ILLEGAL to buy or sell in the EU once they cross the border? How big do you see this black market being, given the relative similarity between Ireland and the UK?
Did you know there is already a black market between Ireland and the UK, mostly relating to duty and VAT differences? Do you find it interesting that this was never considered a big enough issue to erect a hard border and "jeopordise peace" previously?
@@jrton1366 I don't get your point at all... you seem ignorant on Irish affairs.
There will never be a hard border on my island ever again no matter what... I don't care what you find interesting or otherwise because the aforementioned fact will never change.
And when you put 'jeopardise peace' in inverted commas, again, shows your lack of understanding on the entire subject.
The border in the Irish Sea is the doing of the Brits and the unionists in the occupied counties of Ireland - their ignorance on the geography, politics and legal agreements of the island got them the border in the Irish Sea.
It can go nowhere else.
@@jrton1366 It's not up to you, you're not in it anymore. There will never be a border on the Island of Ireland, or a border between the RI and the EU. The single market and the customs union guarantee free movement of goods and people.
But the EU have standards, that every country have to follow. GB doesn't, and it's up to you. As is your decision to not pay the members fee, or take in refugees.
Then you threw out all the people that carried you. Real clever, that.
Every country in the world have customs checks, except between nations inside a trade block. And you can't have a back door into the SM. Just think of all the VAT on exported goods, that would end up in the wrong country. It's both lazy and convenient to forget that part.
That's why there are checks between NI and GB. Diverging standards, lack of fees that cover the common overhead, and import-taxes. Do you get it now?
@@eskileriksson4457 for the DUP it is both ideological and practical. Ideolgicaly they frame the protocol as setting NI as more aligned with ROI than GB, a grave sin in their opinion and something easy to hide the practicalities behind.
In a practical sense the protocol calls for checks on goods moving between GB and NI which has disrupted the drug trafficking of the loyalist paramilitaries/gangs that support the DUP and control many protestant/unionist/loyalist communities.
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Given that the former Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab at no time took the time to read the GFA (Good Friday Agreement), I suppose we shouldn't really be surprised that Braverman has real issues with getting certain facts straight.
To be perfectly honest as soon as we are shot of this Conservative government the better for all concerned.
I really do wish the people of England would demand independence from the other four “nations”, to be continuously told that the other three “nations” are more costly to support through that old “Barnett or Gers” nonsense, why wouldn’t you. Only then would it be possible to hold these Westminster jokers to account and get rid of the divide and conquer, in my opinion, distractions. 🏴🏴🏴🇮🇪 totally agree with all you say 👍🏻
The Conservative willfull blindness is staggering tell a lie enough times and it becomes the new truth
You are right too many Brits are ignorant about the situation in the North and are ignorant of Irish history. When the GFA was signed, I cried because for the first time it seemed Ireland could start being at peace. It was not perfect, but from 2010 onwards there has been no movement forward with the peace process and since Johnson took over it has been steadily going backwards. This Government signed up to the NI Protocol they cannot unilaterally change it because it is an International Treaty. The alternative is a hard border and we should all know that went very badly. Lastly I cannot understand the DUP trusting Johnson, he has thrown them under the bus time and time again. There will be a United Ireland in the near to medium future, the unionists would be better off trying to get the best deal they can in that context.
We tend not to teach Irish history in England, probably because we don't come out of it looking great
Yeah i lived and worked in England for a few years and "opinions" and knowledge of Northern Ireland range from total ignorance to outright bigotry.
I cried laughing when absolutely no one responded to his outdated comment. He clearly isn’t aware of what took place in Northern Ireland leading up to the 1920’s. Or the fact that the region has been disputed since the 12th century.
Disputed since the 12th century?
Ireland was first invaded in the 1100s ie the Norman Invasion, but that wasn't entirely successful.
It was in the 1600s that we had the Scottish and English Planters arrive and truly colonise the north.
@@imastaycool I read that the first record of trouble was around 1171, that’s the 12th century/1100’s.
England did conquer the Island of Ireland not just the North East .
@@patrickyoung3503 colonisation was never truly successful otherwise we'd have way more dinosaur denying loyalists in other parts of the island...
In fact, colonisation failed for the most part.
The fact that England makes claim to the likes of the DUP nut balls is just funny.
@@marvinsamuels1237
You might mean 1169, which refers to the landing of the Cambro-Normans under Robert FitzStephen and Maurice de Prendergast at Bannow Bay, in County Wexford?
They married into the Gaelic aristocracy and, famously, became "More Irish Than The Irish Themselves", marrying Irish women, speaking Irish, dressing as the Irish of the period did, and adopting Irish laws and customs.
The statelet currently called 'Northern Ireland'(NI) became an object of serious dispute after 1609.
James VI of Scotland/First of England decided that it made sense to indulge in some ethnic cleansing, and promoted the 'Plantation of Ulster' as an exercise in nation-building. He was trying to build a 'British' identity, and participation in the Plantation was to be 50% Scottish, 50% English.
The project did not attract enough participants, the native Irish were allowed to stay because the planters needed labour, and the ethnic cleansing aspect was a failure.
What's even worse than him thinking that Northern Ireland is part of great Britain its that he thinks there is a country called Southern Ireland, and even the experts on here laughing at the clown in the turtle neck are as ignorant as him for not calling it out
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My parents were Scots with Irish background. I was brought up in Manchester. I think not seeing blatant religious persecution firsthand (which is a good thing), the English live in a bit of a bubble when it comes to Irish history & the overall tension between Catholic & Protestant communities.
There's a history of Catholic and protestant clashes in Liverpool too. The orange lodge always had a presence there and still does though they aren't allowed to march there now and have to do it in Southport.
Of course she is lying she's a Conservative from someone from North of Ireland
Northern Irish people are suffering, they voted two weeks ago and should have their democratic process respected - it is the DUP and the Tories that should ‘grow a pair’ and honour their commitments - Bojo/Tories signed a contract, as part of Brexit, this legal treaty should be respected. 💪
What next, can we go around ripping up our mortgage agreements because we have changed our minds…
Tories need to get some intelligence into their party and stop with the lying and bs!
I feel the last guy kind of knew what he was talking about but he was a bit scared to say it directly. You can hear how everyone flipped out as soon as they realised what he was saying
Chinese Government: "Taiwan is part of China."
Russian Government: "Ukraine part of Russia."
British Unionists: "North Ireland is part of Great Britain."
@Alfred Wedmore Alfred's got the facts
@Alfred Wedmore You're missing the point. Northern Ireland can never be part of Great Britain, unless you change the geography. It's on the island of Ireland, not in Great Britain.
@Alfred Wedmore " Taiwan and Ukraine historically were part of the larger countries" So Northern Ireland wasn't part of a larger country? Absolute turnip head.
Alfred’s history books only go back a hundred years ✌️
i think you'll find things go much further back and that a great deal of people in NI think that James II was supported by the Pope ! lol lol
It’s almost is of giving people a vote on something they can’t comprehend and aren’t informed properly wasn’t a great idea…
Considering , UK parliament , consists of two Tory Parties .? We have Keir Stammer , who does not have a socialist hair ,on his head .. He is a by product of Tory Bliar . and his spin doctors ... On the other side of the House we have JoBo ... always game for a party .. Downing Street , will do nicely ..
I bring my perspective to this as a Scot who spent a year living in the English Midlands for work reasons. I think general ignorance on the part of the English population is one way to explain what's happening here but I feel it goes a bit further and comes from a manifestation in the minds of a lot of English people that there is no functional difference between England, the UK and Great Britain. In the runup to the 2014 Scottish independence referendum, there was a quite widespread asking of "why" from many English people, like they were completely unable to wrap their heads around the idea that Scotland might be a different country with slightly different people and a different culture.
I guess it makes it even worse when it comes to Northern Ireland as there is actually a complex politician issue and historical issue to understand before you can even begin to engage in that kind of discourse.
Yeah I agree, I'm English and to be honest even if English people in general know there is a difference it is only a flicker of knowledge compared to an overall concept that they are all the same thing. It's weird to think about but really most English people don't comprehend that England and Britain and UK are different things. Also I've known a fair few English people that don't even realise Northern and Southern Ireland have different governments. I remember a lot of English people got really quite angry that anyone in Scotland would want independence and were saying how Scotland is part of England (sic) / Britain and completely appalled or confused as to why that should be an issue at all. Another factor I find odd is that to the English Ireland may as well not even exist, I was never told anything about it at school or university and only ever heard about the country due to the IRA in the 1980s. I remember a friend's mum even banning Clannad records because it was in Gaelic and they could be singing about the IRA. There is something seriously amiss in education for both children and adults in England. But then also tbh they are even seriously ignorant about England; the geography etc.
Johnson and the far right wanted power so badly they pushed Brexit as a way to get it. However NI was insoluble but they went ahead anyway. The protocol is the only answer.
That guy asking the question about Northern Ireland, just by his voice me you can tell he's a brexiteer.
The first guy was channeling Alf Garnett, not realising he's a parody character, as is Alf Garnett.
It was a gag just waiting...
I always felt history class was lacking in secondary school. Way too much damn focus on the tudors and ww1 & 2. It's just propaganda. And I was an art student in the late 2000's to 2010's
That has only got worse over the years too!
When the English say Britain they mean England
There's a distinct lack of ignorance and care towards anything in England, I personally was never taught anything about the difference between the UK and GB in geography, I learned that thanks to UA-cam years later, we just tended to learn about more about global warming, and the populations of other countries 21 year ago, we never got taught about Colonialism or the British Empire either, if anything growing up we were being conditioned by parents and family, to somewhat hate our neighbours like the Scots, Welsh, Irish, French, even Southerners, in Dudley we grew up with a massive hatred towards West Brom and Brum a few mile down the road. This is why I couldn't care less if we all went our separate ways, good luck to them I say.
Spot on right. History when I went to school was bit on Romans, Tudors, Spanish Armada, Great Fire of London then WW2. Nothing that was really useful to know and nothing about Britain's mishaps.
I, like you learn more from UA-cam years later, for example after the Spanish Armada, England sent their own armada....which failed, that always seems to get left out of the history lesson.
You never learned about colonialism in history? Are you sure you just weren't listening mate?
Fascinating. Do you not think people in Scotland or Ireland, countries that have suffered MASSIVELY with sectarian conflict have also been "conditioned" to hate their neighbours, far more so than England? Bizarre you would single out England and then mention Ireland and Scotland, two countries that have a far worse record for the crimes you list.
@@jrton1366 Specking for myself who took History for GCSE and A-level. The first was on WW1 and Louis XIV of France the latter was on the English civil war and the Stewarts.
My other comment was what we were taught before GCSE (so the basic history EVERYONE at my school was taught).
We never NEVER learnt anything about the British Empire or colonialism. I finished school (A-levels) in 2002.
@@jrton1366 Do we indeed...ever hear of English civilians getting massacred in the thousands by Irish? How about starved to death in their millions? How about just kicked off their lands and told they weren't welcome in England anymore? Any of that happen? No? Weird
I’ve watched this and thought why are people not laughing out loud?
A South Asian Unionist? Somebody should open a history book...
English attitude is what comes under English rule should shut up and do as they are told, this goes way back to colonial times, and we know how that is turning out !
Half of England can't tell the Scots from the Irish never mind understand someone with an Irish accent is a Brit.
I'm Irish, work for a British company and I can say this isn't true for me.
The English always tell I'm Irish, but never quite know whether north or south of Ireland even though I'm from Dublin.
The English get too much of a bad rep.
This headline could have been on almost any topic. The general British population have shown themselves ingnorant on most things.
The UK have a rightwing media like no other.
Once again a minister not knowing what’s going on
Such ignorance is astounding...From the audience member and Suella who also hasn't a clue! The young man in fairness was too young to remember the bombing every week! I was born in 1951 in Wales but I have a full grasp of the situation! It's not an excuse. It's lack of education!
We are only taught in schools , what the establishment want us to know . Diolch yn fawr .
This guy in the audience, unfortunately, reflects the majority of Brits...... :(
No he does not. When pushed most people will admit to not knowing anything about it & do not have a view on it.
Which is a big problem in itself.
Eve we are presented to the wotld as brexit voting tory supporters , but this of course is not true , keep in mind always our media has an agenda to present to the world , cheers
Majority of english Eve B, c’mon, you’re nearly as bad as the wurzel supporter in the first clip. Most of the english population have no idea of the social and political differences of Scotland with regards england, no idea at all....
I think the schools should of done some sort of lessons on the Empire then the Commonwealth. Not to white wash and make the English superior, but to give an understanding of the impact it has had on this nation and others. I think it would make us more tolerant when citizens from the Commonwealth come to the UK to work and live and in rich our society .
Ahh Mr Yellow shirt the classic Question Time Tory plant !!!
@@Nice0n3 That's not correct. It was one edition and QT were clear about it in advance. A lie is still a lie no matter whether you're on the side of the angels or not.
All Tories are plants.
@@tommohawksaxe2609 Oh, was it? I am sorry then. I got the impression its a constant thing.
Thank you for the correction.
@@peteryoungpeteryoung965 Me voting for Brexit was the best thing that I did that year. Just because we have an incompetent political elite who are using Brexit for their own agenda changes nothing.
"Who could forget the case of “Orange jacket Man”, alias failed Ukip candidate Billy Mitchell, who managed to notch up four appearances in the Question Time audience - more than most SNP politicians?"
Turned out the BBC sent him invitations and "randomly " picked him out of the audience to ask a question and have an ill informed rant.
Then there was the Scottish audience with Zero SNP supporters in the audience. A whole audience of unionists. No one told Fiona Bruce who appealed to the audience saying "there use be someone" but she was greeted with silence.
Ireland has been suffering Unionists for decades.
Centuries. They've been there centuries.
Well hardly it is just 100 years since the Irish won independence from the UK and subsequently Northern Ireland was formed to house the unionists
One thing's for sure, British schools should teach about Ireland and our interconnected history in schools, everything I know (and I know I could know more) is what I sought out myself.
But I think school would take an extra 10 years to teach about everything the British Enpire did
English schools matey
They have no concept of the UK, it's just England.
No wonder you raise hackles..
10? Nah. 50 more likely but I maybe wrongly short! 🤨
@@jikamos you're not wrong!
4:08: that laughing response just sums up the whole thing.👏
I always tend to find the more 'patriotic' someone claims to be, the less they know about history.
I am English, stop blaming me for the arrogant and indifferent ruling classes that have oppressed us all. The average ordinary person in England have been treated no differently.I say again, stop blaming me.
@@paulroberts7561 Was this reply to me or a deleted comment?
If it was to me... huh? How am I blaming you? I don't even know who you are.
I too also live under this arrogant, indifferent ruling class but I own up to the fact that there is a huge amount of people in this country (maybe not the majority but enough to shape the course of this country) that support and... well pretty much bow down to these people.
Unfortunately as long as nationalities and nationalism exist, as long as countries and imaginary borders exist, as long as leaders exist, as long as there are people who believe that their opinions are the same as facts exist, then I'm afraid we'll get dragged down with them whether you like it or not.
I have to admit, I am woefully ignorant of the history between England and Ireland. I was born in 1985, nothing on the subject was ever covered at school at any level, even though I did both GCSE History and Geography. I even took A-level politics! To this day I am throughly confused by the whole thing.
Then inform yourself. There are documentaries about that on UA-cam.
@@elipa3 Would do if I had the time. Given the crisis I find myself in with a family to feed, researching the entire history of Northern island on youtube is somewhere near the bottom of my massive list of things to do. It's enough just trying to find the time to watch Novara and keep up with current events....
@@elipa3 Plus, it seems unlikely that the first documentary I come across is going to be reliable or trustworthy.
Not your fault so. Cirrocum issues
@@blueleafstudio Watch one of the funny ones so, that way it's part of leisure time which you deserve 👍
Question time audiences are a picture of poor health in so many ways. Provides credence to the thought that the English education system is primarily a child care facility to allow parents to go to work for poor wages.
Also a picture of pro Tory propaganda
Braverman is lying, and if she were to shovel that barnload in court, she would be subject to sanctions and discipline.
Why is it called Ireland? Its on its own and should be Ireland Irish not British grow up..
Well, all i can say on behalf of millions of Irish is : welcome , where have you been?
Unfortunately the ignorance about Northern Ireland, is very common in the Irish Republic also... But is a fact that the Tories don't give a "toss" about the welfare of the people of Northern Ireland. Or the welfare of the peoples of the UK for that matter.
We Irish and those who identify as being British don't need this ignorance and political indifference too lead to another prolonged sectarian bloodbath.
Correct ..
@@liamkelly1312 Hes talking out of his ring Liam, or hes a Tory in disguise...
@@davidjohn64 wrong
paul cotter.. That's a proper Irish name you got there..🤥🤥🤥
@@liamkelly1312
You...😉
I'm with Peter Hitchens, I think England should leave and Scotland Wales and NI can do what they like with their union. There is no British empire and the English should keep their noses out. I'm sure they'll all be far better off without us.
Yes please! The rest of us get on quite well together and have similar attitudes to government. More socially-minded and similar perhaps to certain Scandinavian countries. If you want to come and join our project to escape never-ending tory govt's, please feel free.
@@awtistiaeth4699 Exactly. You're welcome 👍
Aaron...spot on in your analysis
This video will probably go down badly for the british audiences considering we are very arrogant and hate absolutely being called out, but thanks for doing the good work!
No, the English are very ignorant, I was born in Scotland and was told in England,I wasn't British,I rest my case!
They aren’t tell the whole truth on this except for the fact the English generally don’t care.Look at the seats and parties.
Here in England we hear VERY little about Ireland, Scotland or Wales.
Surely Ireland should belong to the Irish, completely independent of influence from England.
Living in London, I was shocked by how little or nothing English people know about anything. My friend and I could not understand that is even possible. Not even the basic knowledge of anything. Total ignorance, zero knowledge, we were laughing at English stupidity.
Living in London is there anything north of the Watford gap lol
@@markthompson4178 Can you please explain it? Can't quite get it.
The real question is when will England have independence.
Asap ..
@@btosi No that's still a British government with Scotland. Ireland and Wales having a vote not England.
@@btosi Hi. Did you listen to the video?
Please realise that British troops are still invading ireland, the island of ireland belongs to the irish people at a whole as 32 county's, And did for thousands of years until an invading in 1600s ,
Michael Walker, I so agree with you ,
Thank you Novara Media, terrific analysis, spot on.
There has always been confusion about the situation in Northern Ireland. Most people see great Britain and UK as one and the same thing. Most people are not aware of the geography of the country. Not many people know the names of counties or rivers or towns.
Most english people in my experience see england and the uk as the same thing. People love to live in bubbles.
Braverman said "the majority of the MLAs who are unionists.....". This is poorly worded and ambiguous. It could mean "the majority of MLAs are unionists". This is not true. It could also mean "the majority of unionist MLAs..." this is true. Normally in these circumstances you would apply the principle of charity and assume the speaker ment the second interpretation. While i completely understand why a tory minister should be assumed to be lying I don't think it is sensible to make that accusation when it could be refuted by a simple clarification of wording.
Keep it up! It is needed.
No minister from this current government should be broadcast without there lies being corrected, at time of broadcast. This ould be done simple banner saying this information is incorrect, then giving the true details. I can't see why anyone would have a problem with that 😀.
One ignorant guy in the audience does not speak for the English or the British more widely. Note the complete lack of recognition and acknowledgement he received from other audience members.
I was lucky to study political history in the 70s at school. We had a great teacher, who clearly rejected the flag waving colonial attitudes our parents had been brainwashed into.
Funny how the BBC fails to report that most of this debacle is one lot of ignorant would be collaborators or other is having a tantrum.
Braverman is a joke of a lawyer even though she has attended the best law schools and is also a Kennedy Scholar.
The bloke also referred to 'Southern Ireland ' . We all know he meant the Irish Republic . The most northern part of the island of Ireland is actually in County Donegal , which is in the Irish Republic .
The English do not care about Ireland. in the slightest , you are correct on that.
Interesting you never mention the UUP, who are to the right of the DUP. Sf voting percentage, went up 1%,.
The good Friday agreement was about the Orange and the Green the alliance party has changed things, with the power balance.
The next election will be interesting at some point SF , will have to mention unification and there are some catholics who don’t want this and the majority of Protestants will not vote for a united Ireland.
They are never going to let SF FLA become first minister.
But then again ,I’m a Brit married to a ulster girl, so what would I know.
Absolutely correct guys 👍
I just hope that the people who are rightly furious with Johnson and his government's behaviour remember why and exactly what he is like when it comes the time of the next General Election in 2024 and don't just conveniently forget because Sir Keir Starmer isn't really a media personality or a celebrity who oozes charisma.
I have heard all too many people saying that there's something that they don't like about Starmer and yet they would rather have someone who doesn't really care about them or their families, who actually believes that the rules and legislation shouldn't really apply to them or their cabinet members, who will stand up in the House of Commons and blatantly lie, who will accept no real form of responsibility for their actions or words and will instead seek to blame everyone else they can think of.
Even his own adviser has spoken out against him, Dominic Cummings has said that he feels Lisa Nandy would make a good Labour leader and possibly even a worthy PM.
Heard this too. My theory is the English love of the quintessential posh "cad" with the loose morals and the complete antipathy towards seriousness, is a cultural phenomenon that turbo charged Brexit.
Brexit is like a perfect storm of English exceptionalism. You've got the nostalgia for old empire, the "We stood alone" myth about WW2, the anti German/anti EU vibe, and the class system which allows otherwise rational people to believe a type of over privileged old etonian twit is just naturally the right material to lead the plebs.
I am from Belfast and I lived in London for a number of years. To be brutal, most English I knew barely knew or cared what happened north of Watford Gap and it was rarely worth discussing NI politics such was the level of ignorance (Not that I much wanted to). Tellingly it was an ex Green Jacket who had served here who had a reasonable appreciation of the situation, if not the complexities. Unfortunately the current cabinet are both slipshod and cavalier in their approach to every aspect of their duties so their ignorance of even the basics on Northern Ireland is totally unsurprising.
The stupidity of the DUP is the reason why they got a kicking in the local elections and now they want to bugger things up so they do not have to sit with a Sinn Fein 1st Minister, at least not without extracting some sort of 'victory' over something. The fact that there are the same number of unionist MLAs as nationalist but split three ways is totally down to the DUP who have been more interested in screwing the UUP for the last 45 years than actually achieving anything.
By the way, Sinn Fein did not actually gain any seats, rather the DUP, UUP and the nationalist SDLP lost seats, which were, effectively, 'picked up' by the non-sectarian Alliance Party (Yay!).
couldn't Scotland charge us for the Trident ports use? Make up for some of the shortfall in funding a spiteful Tory Govt would want to push through?
Ignorance is what feeds the power of the Tories...its their life force. They need people to be angry, ignorant and ill informed with a belief that everything that is wrong in this country or isn't working out is the fault of foreign elements.
My thought was that brexit should have been illegal because of the good Friday agreement
Indeed. Saying that from day 1. How can you have a referendum thar seeks to change your constitutional status vis a vis the EU, when your citizens in N.Ireland are entitled to Irish/EU citizenship via the Good Friday Agreement.
Let's be honest, any serious govt with honest intentions wouldn't have called that ref. But it was David Cameron, so there you go.
Thanks for educating us. Keep it up.