He looked into the current Jedi order of his time. He should have gone back further to when they were the Jed'aii. In that time where the users were just users of the Force and didn't view it as just light and dark. Only the Force.
@@gurun8071 I think they viewed it as more of a spectrum than like an on/off switch though, like if you were a bit too dark sidey they sent you onto a light side aligned moon or some shit to recalibrate to the center. You can't serve the greater force if you lean heavily into only one aspect of it.
@James Webb I don't think they would, at least in the pre clone wars area. Maybe in Skywalkers jedi in legends they would seek to understand this. But the sith and jedi were too stubborn in their ways to see this with some probably outright resenting such notion. Easy to believe a lie rather than the truth.
You say the Sith only were evil. Here is their creed: Peace is a lie. There is only Passion. Through Passion, I gain Strength. Through Strength, I gain Power. Through Power, I gain Victory. Through Victory my chains are Broken. The Force shall free me. The path to power is Passion. Not necessarily evil. Being passionate in your pursuits as well as your protection of those you cared for. So I take issue with your assertation that evil was the only path to power for the Sith. They draw upon the dark side and the light if they follow this philosophy, but many just chose the easy way of the Dark Side and used pain, suffering and anger to get power.
"Their Order might have already been decimated had it not been for the setback Darth Gravid dealt the Sith." - Darth Plagueis to Darth Sidious, regarding Darth Gravid's role in hindering the grand plan against the jedi order
She was still alive the apprentice and the Twilek Master of Darth Tenebrous, the Sith hid not from Jedi but a Sith Lord with inate Sith Sorcery Powers... She was the Twilek on Hunters Moon selling Slaves Bith have no gender, and obviously his master had to have been female to initiate castration on beings with sex
@No Data Stored Bith have gender, their reproductive organs atrophied from a lack of use because they used machines to determine genetics and whatnot. Not even gonna try to figure out that last sentence.
This is a Legends subject, and thus Revan is another sith lord who wasn't evil. at least not in the way most sith are. Also, not sure if the Sith Code is canon to the movies, but I know it is in Legends, "Peace is a lie, there is only passion. From passion, strength, from strength, power, from power, victory, with victory my chains are broken. The force will set me free.". This in and of itself cannot be interpreted as "you must do evil, impose your will on others, be greedy" etc. It only emphasizes strength and power and tells you how to gain them - through passion. You can be passionate about anything, and while yes, the stronger the feelings, such as hate and anger, the stronger you get, strictly speaking the code does not say "more strength is more power, more power is more victory, more victory is more free". Adhering to the code while drawing your strength from love, or a passion for helping others, could theoretically be done, and you would still be a sith, since you draw your power from passion.
You have a snippet of Jedi Master Mace Windu. Windu managed to incorporate light and dark sides of the force in the fighting style Form VII-Vaapad. Perhaps the Sith Lord could have recognized that light and dark are flips of the same coin to find the balance not just the exploit.
There was also a Sith in the SWTOR era you missed. He actually adopted the Jedi code and was shortly thereafter killed by the Sith emperor.Emperor. You have the option of destroying or preserving his holocron in SWTOR.
@@user-nm1lx8qb3u Not talking about Darth Marr. I'm talking about the dead Sith that you have the option of destroying or retrieving his holocron in the Dromund Kaas dark temple.
I guess it can be interpreted in different way, but if you look at the Sith code it doesn't demand evil deeds, it's more about passion and being proactive and prepared. Or at least that's one interpretation. Peace is a lie. There is only Passion. Through Passion, I gain Strength. Through Strength, I gain Power. Through Power, I gain Victory. Through Victory my chains are Broken. The Force shall free me. There is constantly strife and conflict in the Star wars galaxy, one way or another. Passion would draw you to these conflict for one reason or another, it doesn't specify the reason. With tha the rest follows, unless you die immediately that is :D Your passion for your cause or whatever gives you strength and motivation. That empowers you and helps you achieve your goals when persuing that passion. The dangerous thing about it I guess is that it pulls you towards conflict and that could surely lead you to the dark side with all the bad things that conflict brings. Personally I think what both the Jedi and Sith lacked depth in character building and personal convictions and morals, some brought their own or very generalized ones. The Jedi code or Sith code blinded them as it became the big centerpiece. With so much power you would have to have very strong and evolved personal beliefs and convictions to stay on the "right" track or would would just get pulled on by the flow of events. Jedi would often seem to think that if they followed the code the force would take care of the rest of the mess they leave in their wake.
i was just fixing to write what you did. the code is about power. getting, keeping, and using power doesnt require evil deeds. you can do good things to get power. but eventually you will have to go to extremes, if you want to keep amassing that power.
There is also the point of the seductive ability of the Dark Side and it's inherent addicting and corrupting nature. Compare it to that of a highly addicting drug that actually gives you tremendous power. The Sith doctrine is about complete indulgence while the Jedi teaching is about an enlightened way of complete abstinence. The inherent issue with the Force itself is that those who are sensible to it do not choose to be so or not. When dealing with an addiction that always pushes you more into it's embrace until you are a parody of the person you once were, there is no real leeway about it: ignoring it only delays it, partial indulgence (like the Black Guard) is a constant strife against your own corruption; while complete indulgence, well, results in cruel monsters who only see what gives them power and the obstacles to it. As detestable as the Jedi way in it's most dogmatic form is, it is the surest way to be proactive against the corruption of the Force itself (resulting in a state of toxic forced selflessness that does not allow one to have their own life). The Force by it's fundamental nature sucks, for it literally forces a cycle of sapient life warring against itself (in very alike ways too) and does not allows life forms a real choice in the matter. A gift, more like a curse in disguise.
As much as ive always loved star wars, that's one of thr biggest values in it 8 could never vibe with. The idea that selflessness is good. When it is really self destructive, therefore bad. And their clamour to be selfless turned the jedi into a death cult.
True power in the Force comes from a Force-user centering themselves in the Force and allowing both the light and the dark to flow through them. But, this is incredibly difficult to do and even more difficult to maintain, which is why nearly all Force-users end up committing to one side of the Force or the other.
It's so difficult to achieve that only one person is truly capable of doing it, Kyle Katarn. But he's the Chuck Norris of Star Wars, after all. ;) This is why the Je'daii order ditched the dark side and became the Jedi Order.
No they end up on the Jedi or Sith because the Jedi kidnap them when they're young children and the Sith claim them when they are made to see the Jedi for what they are. There aren't natural reasons for why most join the Jedi or the Sith. That's not even mentioning the Jedi and Sith doing their bests to destroy any opposing force orders.
@Wilhuff Tarkin There's a reason the force used Anakin to destroy both the corrupt Jedi and Sith and then used Luke to rebuild the Jedi in the exact same fashion as the original Je'Daii. The Jedi that we see from the old republic onwards are an abomination that cared nothing for balance of the force. Besides there are tons of Grey Jedi here just off the top of my head: Revan, Jolee Bindo, Mace Windu, Ahsoka, Anakin, Luke, Mara Jade, Kreia, Qui-Gon Jin, Count Dooku, etc.
I think Darth Gravid should have mixed the light and dark side into Rule of Two and not mix Jedi and Sith for ideals were the problem. If it is possible for original Jedi order can be the good guys while walking inbetween the both side so can the Sith be evil inbetween them as well
To be Sith means you must sacrifice everything you take and take because it is yours through conquest or torture power is yours to take there is no light Sith Lord. To be a Sith Lord you must suffer or have others suffer in the gain of knowledge and power remember peace is a lie
From a certain point of view, Sidious could be an example of this concept being used successfully. His Empire brought "law, order & peace" to the masses, but it was all to indulge himself. This could even be the hidden point to the original Star Wars movies; "Beware the smiling government people!" How would this hypothesis affect the plot of Sidious bringing Rey and Ben together?
From what I'm hearing about balance of light and dark instead of Sith and Jedi, is it possible for an unaffiliated force user to obtain great power through the balance of both, or would the balance prevent them from achieving the best of both sides?
Excellent explanation of the contrast in powers and the differentiation of how their dynamics work and play off of each other and how they dont. Thank you.
Lana Beniko would like a word... And Praven (though he ended up becoming a Jedi). And arguably Darth Marr. Seriously, before the rule of two there was a lot more variety in Sith.
I think that because of the Rule of Two only one type of Sith was created, in the legacy of Bane, which actually leads to them being increasingly more limited in their abilities.
I mean, TECHNICALLY Revan was a 'good' sith lorn. He used the dark side, corrupted Jedi, but never let it consume him. Everything he did was to save the galaxy.
I feel like the Sith Lord should’ve followed the teachings of Darth Revan and the original Jeudi order (not sure if that’s spelled right) The sis and the Jedi are both fanatical of their perspective and in many cases cause irreparable damage to both the force and the galaxy because they’re short sightedness they believe their way is the only way when in reality when you ignore a fundamental force that is a part of you it just serves a cost more damage and harm basically to “the whole Chinese thing of Yin and yang that darkness and light will exist within all things regardless of one’s personal allegiance The sooner anyone except set in fines balance between the two the greater the clarity one can achieve and effectively find a type of spiritual enlightenment. For the average chill that may not mean much but considering how the four sensitives of the Stars universe are more pronch of psychological illness perhaps they should consider spiritual and psychological well-being it’s a sham that the Star Wars counselor doesn’t have mental healthcare i mean just look at Darth Vader he clearly needed some therapy.
Darth Revan wasn't about balance. Revan was, but not his dark form. Revan believed in the supremacy of the light, but the only way to achieve that was to destroy all current evil, and the only way to do that was to build his own sith army to destroy the current sith
The Sith did not want balance because they figure out the more evil they where more powerful they were in the dark side. The Sith value gaining power above all else.
I don’t think all Sith or Jedi are evil, I think they just have different ideals. I believe that there could be light side users that are evil and dark side users that are good, it all depends on how you choose to use those powers.
Sith murdering and enslaving people for fun: "jUsT A DiFfErEnT PoInT Of vIeW, bRo". No, you aren't going to immerse yourself in dark side corruption and still be "good". That's stupid.
I loved playing a light sided Sith Warrior in SWTOR. Pretty much will still murder you if you get in their way and still seeks power, but they are honorable and generally wont kill innocents or unarmed. Real funny that you actually skip a few boss fights if you go that path, as one is also a honorable Sith, and the other you can get a Jedi to just assist and pretty much just let them take the fight down letting you sit back and just assist with damage.
Creating harmony within one self is often never easily done especially once choosing fully the ways of the Sith, for such teachings bound in negative emotions are but a too often a long tightly etch habit that is not easily broken.
So he was hung up on the two extremes to the point that he was pulled apart but to find balance you cannot grasp both ends you must let go and navigate the flow to find your Center but to navigate it you have to understand both extremes
So when the force strives for balance it's not really between Jedi and sith teachings/power it wants perfect balance Within the force itself. I used to think that the key to perfect balance between Sith and Jedi was what the force thrived too, but I guess not... due to the so-called good Sith Lord deteriorating to that belief....
Ahhh this reminds me of people who hear meditation is about attaining a state of nothingness so they try to be nothing or think about nothing but in really they need to just sit down and be present.
"Flowing through all, there is balance There is no peace without a passion to create There is no passion without peace to guide Knowledge fades without the strength to act Power blinds without the serenity to see There is freedom in life There is purpose in death The Force is all things and I am the Force" GRAY JEDI CODE
Yes and no. The Gray Jedi are more in touch with their emotions and will follow the will of the force more so than the Jedi. Qui-Gon is the best example of this, yet they do not use the dark side
He is not the only one, on the old republic there was a sith that embraced the jedi philosophy and created a holocron with his teachings, in fact he has his tomb on dromund kass, in the mmo old republic you can give the holocron to a sith lord to study those teachings so they could understand better his enemies, thou possibly that holocron got destroyed since that storyline has no impact overall.
That Darth Plagueis novel was incredibly awesome. It was such a good read that I had to read it a second time, and even scheduled a third. My father actually DID read it three times. We had always thought it to be sad that it was never canon, and remained a Legend. However, it was interesting for us to learn that the novelization of the Rise of Skywalker storyline actually canonized the novel with Palpatine commenting on him in internal dialogue. Some of the old Legends stuff is fantastic, but the canon is great too. I think fans could stand to find some balance in the light and dark and just realize that Star Wars' differing continuities don't limit enjoyment, but expand the possibilities.
@@damaskholdings9140 they didn't fail if you read the history outside influences came along and cause a division between them which led to them fracturing into what we now know as jedi and sith before that they definitely had it all figured out!💯😘😁😉👍
@@damaskholdings9140 vectivus didn't get training from a sith lord he taught himself and named himself a lord of the sith and stayed out of conflict with the jedi for he had no desire to destroy them only to learn and he even tried to teach a jedi the importance of sacrifice and doing what needed to be done to stop evil by trying to get her to kill a illusion of darth sidious in order to save the republic and the jedi order; revan was able to perfectly wield the light and dark sides of the force its when his rage for his unjust imprisonment for over 300 years that got the best of him did he lose control and split in two for his emotional stability was thrown off balance from being in Suspended animation for so long!
This adds weight to the argument that the Jedi and Sith philosophies are inherently flawed. Or at least mutually exclusive. Being Dark and Light is possible but not when you keep in mind the philosophy of both. That’s why Grey Jedi or Sith tend to be so powerful. They walk the line between light and dark, indulging in one or the other if the occasion calls for it because they follow their own philosophy of what it means to be light and dark.
I'm sure this guy was popular... Just imagine if Gravid ACTUALLY managed to somehow...kinda.. turn the Sith into a bit more badass less nice Jedi Order... IF he ACTUALLY did this he'd basically turn the Sith into less a Darkside order and more a Grey Force User order.
I think you misunderstand what grey jedies or grey sith are. But there is no "grey" force, there is the light, which is the purest form of the force and then there is corruption, which is the dark side. Using the dark side leads to corruption, no matter what.
Great video, thank you! I'm just wondering about the Grey Jedi, and is it an inevitable road they'll slip to the dark side, or are they weak in either because of their dichotomy?
Amazing video of a Sith Lord that went mad trying to bring the sith theory and Jedi theory together,instead of bring the light & dark side of force in balance harmony. That’s why he fail too.
what I liked about the prequel, especially the story of Ahsoka, is that it showed the jedi order to be just as evil as the sith, which is quite realistic. the jedi and sith codes are philosophies on the force, not representation of good or evil.
Or...another possibility that's more grounded in Sith lore is the whole story is propaganda created by Jean and later affirmed by Plaguies? Maybe Gravid destroyed Sith knowledge and artifacts cause he wanted to keep the power for himself? Sith apprentices have to kill their master and take their place, right? So she kills her master, nearly dies, and then creates the whole story to justify her actions and wounds? Then Plagueis hating the Jedi so much couldn't stand a Sith doing this, so to protect Sith purity and explain the lack of Sith knowledge just goes with the story as truth? Just saying in all of Sith history only two? How can this be? Maybe Yoda explained this when he said that once you go down the dark path, there's no turning or coming back from it. And since we just said that there's no coming back from the dark and Sith can be light sided....what's more likely...that Gravid was an anomaly? Or that another Sith, told another lie, to gain power and position?
Peace is a lie. There is only Passion. Through Passion, I gain Strength. Through Strength, I gain Power. Through Power, I gain Victory. Through Victory my chains are Broken. The Force shall free me. Nothing about the very Sith Code itself, doesn't state anything about the dark side or the notion of being violent or cruel. In a different point of view, the Sith code is about conquering onself and defeating one's own inner demons to attain absolute freedom, to be no longer mentally shackled by old programs/paradigma/ideologies. As for the first sentence, It can mean that peace for a living being is never to be a permanent constant, because life is all about experiences and thus it can be disrupted. Though one could assume that the peace promised by the old programs/paradigma/ideologies is the lie.
Insanity is a word we give to people that have crossed the line and failed to return. In that we go insane every day. The thing about Star Wars is that no perspective seems to have it all figured out. I think plenty of humans reflect this desire to be better than what they truly know they are thus taking up compassion(or something else), it's why psychopaths do so well. They might not think a certain way but they understand the need to at least appear to. While Darth Gravid developed under the Sith modus of absolute power absolutely. It's not entirely contradictive to seek it by admitting to ones self something drastic needs to be done in order to achieve more. It sounds to me like Darth Gravid was the Dionysus type character. As he gets older he gets more "Crazy" to the point it appears like he's stepped over a line that cannot be stepped back from. Or like the Ubermench goes up to his little mountain cave to improve himself until he, every now and then, comes down from that cave to show everyone what he has achieved by improving himself. What I mean is while we can say the Sith are self serving by nature, I've had enough time to think about this and I don't think any person isn't. Even being compassionate is to a degree can be self serving. Also I wonder what Darth Gravid had with regards to the effects on the sith order, ie "Dealing in absolutes" because they kept looking back on his experience as a cautionary tale to avoid not experience. For a similar reason I feel like the Jedi Sentinels are very interesting, I am rather fond of characters that take the long difficult and even pointless time wasting paths that yield interestingly unique self developed individuals. As an existentialist myself I feel like I can relate to them and Darth Gravid in regards to paths being blocked simply because of what we are or have been born into.
"You can't use the Light Side for Power" yet that is what the Jedi do as well. The Jedi also forsake the one emotion that you would draw upon the Light Side of the Force the most for... Love. Because they believe that Love leads to the Dark side.. when Love is the strongest emotion of the Light Side. So the Jedi have it just as confused as the Sith, and they also seek power just as the Sith do, but on opposite spectrums. The difference is they tell and try to convince themselves they are selfless, whereas the Sith do not.
As Anakin explained to Padmé, Jedi are required to love. Possession is what's forbidden. What he said to Padmé was completely true, but of course he only said it to manipulate her, which is the part that was forbidden. Anakin didn't truly love Padmé, he wanted to possess her. If he had loved her, then he wouldn't have done what he did, because she would have rather died than let Anakin commit his evil deeds.
I gotta say this Sith lord was correct but incorrect at the same time. He was correct in that being able to tap both the Light and Dark side he would become more powerful, but, like the video stated, he went about trying to achieve his goal all wrong. He needed to retrain himself to feel empathy, then he could have slowly trained himself in the light, finally he would end up in shoes similar to that of Revan. Doing "vile" acts for the greater good. We all know Revan was one of the most dangerous Jedi/Sith that ever lived, although in the end, nowhere as string as a Sith with the Dark side, nor as strong as a Jedi in the light, but still stronger than both.
I was honestly always a little confused as to WHY the Sith wanted to dominate other sapient beings. I mean, I get that domination and strength was their whole "thing," but once you have dominance over the Force, why would you give a shit about lording over a bunch of rando sapients? That would be like devoting your life to screwing around with ants out of boredom. That's why Darth Tenebrous' ideas make so much sense from a Sith perspective. When you can command the Force to such a degree as to use it to power your technology like a fucking car battery, why would ruling over others hold any appeal to you? You've basically bested a god, are you really going to go back to playing chess with morons?
I think he could have been successful but for one thing: he was trying to add 1 to 2 and have it become a much stronger 2, but that’s not right. If you add the light and the dark, you are left with neither, but rather something entirely new. So, him trying to make a more powerful Sith doctrine by adding to it the Jedi doctrine was always going to fail. He should have been trying to write a whole new Force Sensitive school’s doctrine that uses both Sith and Jedi knowledge, ie, both light and dark.
I think, he simply looked at wrong part of Jedi teaching. He should focus more about logic behind Jedi teachings, that way they practice them. This could be much more fitting for Sith. I am thinking about their views on force, how it's omnipresent energy that is made by all living things and reason why Jedi pursue peace, is because wars bring massive deaths that "hurts" force. They see life as something precious, that shouldn't be wasted in conflict. (That's just logic, not praxe or dogma) As Sith and Dark side user, his powers are in changes, be it destruction or creation. So he should try to use dark side to "help" life in galaxy. Sith alchemy could be good, in creating and modifying lifeforms for survival and prosperity (from creating new types of food sources to teraforming planets) He could also simply focusing on destroying treats to life. There is more way, it could go, but this is core of it.
you CAN have you cake and eat it to. its YOUR cake. do you make dinner and then decide you CANT eat it? no, you make it and eat it. what you CANT do is eat you cake and HAVE it too. cuz you ate it and its gone. period.
What if there is no light or dark side of the force, only the user and his temperament and propensities. I've noticed that when a person converts to a religion he more or less highjacks the religion for his own purposes, he curtails it to fit his views or justify them. This also depends on how much the person differs from the religion, as some are less of a match than others, take Obi Wan and Anakin, with the former matching the Jedi order like a glove. Whereas there are those who teeter between the two sides creating an inner tension and conflict favoring either the "Light" Mace Windu or the "Dark" Count Dooku.
Omg I thought you were telling the same story awesome. He wasn't a Grey Jedi he was more like a demented dreamer. Sad he was on to something just started wrong. And my humble opinion a gray Jedi follows the code of always leaning to the light so the light comes first and using the dark pretty much for self-defense to protecting those who need help or must beating someone's ass that was evil.
Gravid dealt in absolutes. Sith and Jedi deal in absolutes. Therein is a severe blindness for both orders. Aing-Tee regard the Force as a spectrum rather than gradients of light and dark. As a philosophy, it has a poise much easier to sustain than light or dark. Circumstances shape the color appropriate to the occasion. Time and again Jedi and Sith fall on easily avoided hubris, but they cannot see any other way. Darth Bane, while cunning, intelligent, and resourceful, imparted to his line dire personal dilemmas: the Sith after him had to be Sithean whether by inclination or not
If the force actively fights mixing of the light and dark then how is anyone supposed to find balance between the two? How come the force didn't turn against Revan or Mace Windu?
I know this is no longer canon, but the lost tribe of the Sith that is heavily involved in the Fait of the Jedi series of novels isn't as evil as the regular sith. Luke and his son team up with them to fight Abeloth.
To be sith, is to embrace all emotions as a part of who you are. To not deny or sacrifice what you feel and what you want. Unlike the jedi who deny emotions, and attachments. Sith also embrace love, commitment, the joy and pain of love and loss. They truly live.
@@robpettigrew3308 hate, pain, and fear isn't the main focus for all of them. Some in the old story have been noted focusing on love, greed, and the sheer hunger for knowledge as well.
@@jamesgolden7317 Sith gain knowledge via power. So thier quest for knowledge is simply being power hungry. Greed is a negative drive as well. Ok. I'll bite. Which Sith were driven (as Sith) by love for another?
@@robpettigrew3308 Darth Malgus had a love relationship. It wasn't till later that many claimed it was a weakness to him, so to avoid being seen as weak. He killed his lover. There was also a sith species that didn't belong to the sith order. They all believed in having relationships, and even intimate relations. This was more known and common, before Bane started the rule of 2. Later after the rule had been made. It was a lot less common to see any sith openly show if they had relationships, or the fact that they loved another. Since the sith and jedi both by that point controlled how others lived. Still in many cases, sith allowed other sith to do more of what they wanted, than the jedi.
@@damaskholdings9140 yet there's been good sith. Sith labeled as bad, cause they were force sensitive, and wouldn't follow the jedi. They chose to follow their own personal rules and life, while not even joining the sith order.
Can someone explain why it is impossible? The sith code and practice do derive power from pain and suffering, which is manipulated within ones self and others. However I never see anything within their actual texts that say they must inflict it, or are not allowed to act in kindness to better their power. Only in the Sith themselves do I see that, not in their code. As if one interpreted it this way and that was that. Reasoning and intent is a very iffy line I'd argue because so much of it is based within perception. To a sepritist civillian, it is possible the Jedi were evil and wielding power to enslave them. To an Imperial born civillian it is possible the Sith were protecting them from a galaxy ravaged by war. A sith might offer mercy to gain power and standing but still feel compassion. Sparing this person because of their connections but also because of their child.
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He looked into the current Jedi order of his time. He should have gone back further to when they were the Jed'aii. In that time where the users were just users of the Force and didn't view it as just light and dark. Only the Force.
Well this is an easily likeable comment.
They saw light and dark as seperate still
@@gurun8071 I think they viewed it as more of a spectrum than like an on/off switch though, like if you were a bit too dark sidey they sent you onto a light side aligned moon or some shit to recalibrate to the center. You can't serve the greater force if you lean heavily into only one aspect of it.
@@deadseven3474 well..yeah. nevee said it was an off on.
@James Webb I don't think they would, at least in the pre clone wars area. Maybe in Skywalkers jedi in legends they would seek to understand this. But the sith and jedi were too stubborn in their ways to see this with some probably outright resenting such notion. Easy to believe a lie rather than the truth.
You say the Sith only were evil. Here is their creed:
Peace is a lie. There is only Passion.
Through Passion, I gain Strength.
Through Strength, I gain Power.
Through Power, I gain Victory.
Through Victory my chains are Broken.
The Force shall free me.
The path to power is Passion. Not necessarily evil. Being passionate in your pursuits as well as your protection of those you cared for. So I take issue with your assertation that evil was the only path to power for the Sith. They draw upon the dark side and the light if they follow this philosophy, but many just chose the easy way of the Dark Side and used pain, suffering and anger to get power.
This is one of the best perspectives on the Sith that I’ve seen in a while.
They just became power hungry from their masters
Dog the sith saw love and other living creatures as under them they only used hate and anger as a tool for power sith we're evil
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The Sith are evil stop
"Their Order might have already been decimated had it not been for the setback Darth Gravid dealt the Sith."
- Darth Plagueis to Darth Sidious, regarding Darth Gravid's role in hindering the grand plan against the jedi order
She was still alive the apprentice
and the Twilek Master of Darth Tenebrous, the Sith hid not from Jedi but a Sith Lord with inate Sith Sorcery Powers...
She was the Twilek on Hunters Moon selling Slaves
Bith have no gender, and obviously his master had to have been female to initiate castration on beings with sex
If only the Jedi and the Sith knew of the forces plot of destroying both corrupt orders and refoundind the Je'Daii. Ironic, isn't it.
@No Data Stored Bith have gender, their reproductive organs atrophied from a lack of use because they used machines to determine genetics and whatnot. Not even gonna try to figure out that last sentence.
This is a Legends subject, and thus Revan is another sith lord who wasn't evil. at least not in the way most sith are.
Also, not sure if the Sith Code is canon to the movies, but I know it is in Legends, "Peace is a lie, there is only passion. From passion, strength, from strength, power, from power, victory, with victory my chains are broken. The force will set me free.". This in and of itself cannot be interpreted as "you must do evil, impose your will on others, be greedy" etc. It only emphasizes strength and power and tells you how to gain them - through passion. You can be passionate about anything, and while yes, the stronger the feelings, such as hate and anger, the stronger you get, strictly speaking the code does not say "more strength is more power, more power is more victory, more victory is more free". Adhering to the code while drawing your strength from love, or a passion for helping others, could theoretically be done, and you would still be a sith, since you draw your power from passion.
I wouldn't say that it's impossible for a sith to be good. The dark side requires passion and anger and you can use those emotions to do good things
Precisely. The Son, and the Nightsisters are examples of this (till the Son fell to the Dark Side, that is)
Before I watch - Darth Vectivus wasn't it?
You have a snippet of Jedi Master Mace Windu. Windu managed to incorporate light and dark sides of the force in the fighting style Form VII-Vaapad. Perhaps the Sith Lord could have recognized that light and dark are flips of the same coin to find the balance not just the exploit.
There was also a Sith in the SWTOR era you missed. He actually adopted the Jedi code and was shortly thereafter killed by the Sith emperor.Emperor.
You have the option of destroying or preserving his holocron in SWTOR.
His name is darth Marr. He was the best sith our empire ever had.
@@user-nm1lx8qb3u Not talking about Darth Marr. I'm talking about the dead Sith that you have the option of destroying or retrieving his holocron in the Dromund Kaas dark temple.
@@karlrovey OH yea! It was-
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I guess it can be interpreted in different way, but if you look at the Sith code it doesn't demand evil deeds, it's more about passion and being proactive and prepared. Or at least that's one interpretation.
Peace is a lie. There is only Passion.
Through Passion, I gain Strength.
Through Strength, I gain Power.
Through Power, I gain Victory.
Through Victory my chains are Broken.
The Force shall free me.
There is constantly strife and conflict in the Star wars galaxy, one way or another. Passion would draw you to these conflict for one reason or another, it doesn't specify the reason. With tha the rest follows, unless you die immediately that is :D Your passion for your cause or whatever gives you strength and motivation. That empowers you and helps you achieve your goals when persuing that passion. The dangerous thing about it I guess is that it pulls you towards conflict and that could surely lead you to the dark side with all the bad things that conflict brings.
Personally I think what both the Jedi and Sith lacked depth in character building and personal convictions and morals, some brought their own or very generalized ones. The Jedi code or Sith code blinded them as it became the big centerpiece. With so much power you would have to have very strong and evolved personal beliefs and convictions to stay on the "right" track or would would just get pulled on by the flow of events. Jedi would often seem to think that if they followed the code the force would take care of the rest of the mess they leave in their wake.
i was just fixing to write what you did. the code is about power. getting, keeping, and using power doesnt require evil deeds. you can do good things to get power. but eventually you
will have to go to extremes, if you want to keep amassing that power.
There is also the point of the seductive ability of the Dark Side and it's inherent addicting and corrupting nature. Compare it to that of a highly addicting drug that actually gives you tremendous power. The Sith doctrine is about complete indulgence while the Jedi teaching is about an enlightened way of complete abstinence. The inherent issue with the Force itself is that those who are sensible to it do not choose to be so or not. When dealing with an addiction that always pushes you more into it's embrace until you are a parody of the person you once were, there is no real leeway about it: ignoring it only delays it, partial indulgence (like the Black Guard) is a constant strife against your own corruption; while complete indulgence, well, results in cruel monsters who only see what gives them power and the obstacles to it. As detestable as the Jedi way in it's most dogmatic form is, it is the surest way to be proactive against the corruption of the Force itself (resulting in a state of toxic forced selflessness that does not allow one to have their own life).
The Force by it's fundamental nature sucks, for it literally forces a cycle of sapient life warring against itself (in very alike ways too) and does not allows life forms a real choice in the matter.
A gift, more like a curse in disguise.
As much as ive always loved star wars, that's one of thr biggest values in it 8 could never vibe with. The idea that selflessness is good. When it is really self destructive, therefore bad. And their clamour to be selfless turned the jedi into a death cult.
True power in the Force comes from a Force-user centering themselves in the Force and allowing both the light and the dark to flow through them. But, this is incredibly difficult to do and even more difficult to maintain, which is why nearly all Force-users end up committing to one side of the Force or the other.
It's so difficult to achieve that only one person is truly capable of doing it, Kyle Katarn. But he's the Chuck Norris of Star Wars, after all. ;) This is why the Je'daii order ditched the dark side and became the Jedi Order.
No they end up on the Jedi or Sith because the Jedi kidnap them when they're young children and the Sith claim them when they are made to see the Jedi for what they are. There aren't natural reasons for why most join the Jedi or the Sith. That's not even mentioning the Jedi and Sith doing their bests to destroy any opposing force orders.
@Wilhuff Tarkin There's a reason the force used Anakin to destroy both the corrupt Jedi and Sith and then used Luke to rebuild the Jedi in the exact same fashion as the original Je'Daii. The Jedi that we see from the old republic onwards are an abomination that cared nothing for balance of the force. Besides there are tons of Grey Jedi here just off the top of my head: Revan, Jolee Bindo, Mace Windu, Ahsoka, Anakin, Luke, Mara Jade, Kreia, Qui-Gon Jin, Count Dooku, etc.
I think Darth Gravid should have mixed the light and dark side into Rule of Two and not mix Jedi and Sith for ideals were the problem. If it is possible for original Jedi order can be the good guys while walking inbetween the both side so can the Sith be evil inbetween them as well
To be Sith means you must sacrifice everything you take and take because it is yours through conquest or torture power is yours to take there is no light Sith Lord. To be a Sith Lord you must suffer or have others suffer in the gain of knowledge and power remember peace is a lie
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*peace although it’s probably a typo 👍
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@@cameron7498 make me
Actually “Sith” were originally a race on Korriban……. 🤔🫣
From a certain point of view, Sidious could be an example of this concept being used successfully. His Empire brought "law, order & peace" to the masses, but it was all to indulge himself. This could even be the hidden point to the original Star Wars movies; "Beware the smiling government people!"
How would this hypothesis affect the plot of Sidious bringing Rey and Ben together?
Mandalorian War = Ukraine invasion?? "I was promised victory"
From what I'm hearing about balance of light and dark instead of Sith and Jedi, is it possible for an unaffiliated force user to obtain great power through the balance of both, or would the balance prevent them from achieving the best of both sides?
Ummm, the Bendu
Excellent explanation of the contrast in powers and the differentiation of how their dynamics work and play off of each other and how they dont. Thank you.
Lana Beniko would like a word... And Praven (though he ended up becoming a Jedi). And arguably Darth Marr. Seriously, before the rule of two there was a lot more variety in Sith.
I think that because of the Rule of Two only one type of Sith was created, in the legacy of Bane, which actually leads to them being increasingly more limited in their abilities.
I mean, TECHNICALLY Revan was a 'good' sith lorn. He used the dark side, corrupted Jedi, but never let it consume him. Everything he did was to save the galaxy.
Sounds like Caedus
I feel like the Sith Lord should’ve followed the teachings of Darth Revan and the original Jeudi order (not sure if that’s spelled right) The sis and the Jedi are both fanatical of their perspective and in many cases cause irreparable damage to both the force and the galaxy because they’re short sightedness they believe their way is the only way when in reality when you ignore a fundamental force that is a part of you it just serves a cost more damage and harm basically to “the whole Chinese thing of Yin and yang that darkness and light will exist within all things regardless of one’s personal allegiance The sooner anyone except set in fines balance between the two the greater the clarity one can achieve and effectively find a type of spiritual enlightenment. For the average chill that may not mean much but considering how the four sensitives of the Stars universe are more pronch of psychological illness perhaps they should consider spiritual and psychological well-being it’s a sham that the Star Wars counselor doesn’t have mental healthcare i mean just look at Darth Vader he clearly needed some therapy.
It's Je'daii order
Darth Revan wasn't about balance. Revan was, but not his dark form. Revan believed in the supremacy of the light, but the only way to achieve that was to destroy all current evil, and the only way to do that was to build his own sith army to destroy the current sith
The Sith did not want balance because they figure out the more evil they where more powerful they were in the dark side. The Sith value gaining power above all else.
@@spark300c yeah?
So close to understanding the force , so close to giving it up.---Kreia.
I want to know why some some Sith lords were chosen to be redeemed to the light side and why weren't ALL Sith weren't so chosen
Maybe because they couldn’t fully devote themselves or a spark of light was still in them to begin with.
Because some people write them to be redeemed 🤦♂️
"Do you know the story of Darth Gravid the Nice?"
I don’t think all Sith or Jedi are evil, I think they just have different ideals. I believe that there could be light side users that are evil and dark side users that are good, it all depends on how you choose to use those powers.
That is a very grey way of thinking about it. Good and evil is a POV way thinking in the long run.
Cringe
Sith murdering and enslaving people for fun: "jUsT A DiFfErEnT PoInT Of vIeW, bRo".
No, you aren't going to immerse yourself in dark side corruption and still be "good". That's stupid.
Literally "nice guy" energy
I loved playing a light sided Sith Warrior in SWTOR. Pretty much will still murder you if you get in their way and still seeks power, but they are honorable and generally wont kill innocents or unarmed. Real funny that you actually skip a few boss fights if you go that path, as one is also a honorable Sith, and the other you can get a Jedi to just assist and pretty much just let them take the fight down letting you sit back and just assist with damage.
Creating harmony within one self is often never easily done especially once choosing fully the ways of the Sith, for such teachings bound in negative emotions are but a too often a long tightly etch habit that is not easily broken.
So he was hung up on the two extremes to the point that he was pulled apart but to find balance you cannot grasp both ends you must let go and navigate the flow to find your Center but to navigate it you have to understand both extremes
So when the force strives for balance it's not really between Jedi and sith teachings/power it wants perfect balance Within the force itself.
I used to think that the key to perfect balance between Sith and Jedi was what the force thrived too, but I guess not... due to the so-called good Sith Lord deteriorating to that belief....
Ahhh this reminds me of people who hear meditation is about attaining a state of nothingness so they try to be nothing or think about nothing but in really they need to just sit down and be present.
"Flowing through all, there is balance
There is no peace without a passion to create
There is no passion without peace to guide
Knowledge fades without the strength to act
Power blinds without the serenity to see
There is freedom in life
There is purpose in death
The Force is all things and I am the Force"
GRAY JEDI CODE
Is this actually true?
Yes and no. The Gray Jedi are more in touch with their emotions and will follow the will of the force more so than the Jedi. Qui-Gon is the best example of this, yet they do not use the dark side
Grey Jedi are fan fiction.
No such thing as "Grey Jedi".
It's just a slippery slope to the dark side or madness.
You need to pick a side.
Some still class people such as Ahsoka and Qui-Gon as Grey Jedi
Can you do videos of Jedi during these time periods as well?
i find it funny how politicians haven’t went mad yet by doing this.
He is not the only one, on the old republic there was a sith that embraced the jedi philosophy and created a holocron with his teachings, in fact he has his tomb on dromund kass, in the mmo old republic you can give the holocron to a sith lord to study those teachings so they could understand better his enemies, thou possibly that holocron got destroyed since that storyline has no impact overall.
My group made a show based on Darth Gravid. His time in Banite Sith Order was interesting!
That Darth Plagueis novel was incredibly awesome. It was such a good read that I had to read it a second time, and even scheduled a third. My father actually DID read it three times. We had always thought it to be sad that it was never canon, and remained a Legend. However, it was interesting for us to learn that the novelization of the Rise of Skywalker storyline actually canonized the novel with Palpatine commenting on him in internal dialogue. Some of the old Legends stuff is fantastic, but the canon is great too. I think fans could stand to find some balance in the light and dark and just realize that Star Wars' differing continuities don't limit enjoyment, but expand the possibilities.
They need to bring back the ‘Infinities’ brand.
He should of just built a new order without destroying the Sith stuff.
If He had done a little more research he would have found teachings of the ancient je'daii order or the blackguard order!
@@damaskholdings9140 they didn't fail if you read the history outside influences came along and cause a division between them which led to them fracturing into what we now know as jedi and sith before that they definitely had it all figured out!💯😘😁😉👍
@@vmaninc.761 the darkside is a infection on the force
@@damaskholdings9140 vectivus didn't get training from a sith lord he taught himself and named himself a lord of the sith and stayed out of conflict with the jedi for he had no desire to destroy them only to learn and he even tried to teach a jedi the importance of sacrifice and doing what needed to be done to stop evil by trying to get her to kill a illusion of darth sidious in order to save the republic and the jedi order; revan was able to perfectly wield the light and dark sides of the force its when his rage for his unjust imprisonment for over 300 years that got the best of him did he lose control and split in two for his emotional stability was thrown off balance from being in Suspended animation for so long!
@@lyricflowergaming432 Not if you follow the teachings of the blackguard order, the je'daii order, the nightsisters, starkiller and mace windu!
This adds weight to the argument that the Jedi and Sith philosophies are inherently flawed. Or at least mutually exclusive. Being Dark and Light is possible but not when you keep in mind the philosophy of both. That’s why Grey Jedi or Sith tend to be so powerful. They walk the line between light and dark, indulging in one or the other if the occasion calls for it because they follow their own philosophy of what it means to be light and dark.
Dog it's impossible for sith to be good as you have to fully give yourself to the darkside if you want to use stronger darkside powers
What about Darth Vectivus?
I'm sure this guy was popular... Just imagine if Gravid ACTUALLY managed to somehow...kinda.. turn the Sith into a bit more badass less nice Jedi Order...
IF he ACTUALLY did this he'd basically turn the Sith into less a Darkside order and more a Grey Force User order.
I think you misunderstand what grey jedies or grey sith are. But there is no "grey" force, there is the light, which is the purest form of the force and then there is corruption, which is the dark side. Using the dark side leads to corruption, no matter what.
This makes sense. So at the end he was abandoned by both the dark side an light side because they could sense each other in him.
Who is that white haired sith I saw holding a holicron? That image looks cool I would like to find it!
Great video, thank you! I'm just wondering about the Grey Jedi, and is it an inevitable road they'll slip to the dark side, or are they weak in either because of their dichotomy?
He saw what happened to the past sith lords and didn't want to repeat their failures even if it means bucking ancient dogma.
Amazing video of a Sith Lord that went mad trying to bring the sith theory and Jedi theory together,instead of bring the light & dark side of force in balance harmony. That’s why he fail too.
Great video!
I don't think Gravid was actually a Sith. ... I think he was a "Force Adept, trained as a Sith"
there was a sith lord that only ever used the light side and then there was one that used love as the source of his power.
Are you a sith? Guy: yesnt
what I liked about the prequel, especially the story of Ahsoka, is that it showed the jedi order to be just as evil as the sith, which is quite realistic. the jedi and sith codes are philosophies on the force, not representation of good or evil.
Or...another possibility that's more grounded in Sith lore is the whole story is propaganda created by Jean and later affirmed by Plaguies? Maybe Gravid destroyed Sith knowledge and artifacts cause he wanted to keep the power for himself? Sith apprentices have to kill their master and take their place, right? So she kills her master, nearly dies, and then creates the whole story to justify her actions and wounds? Then Plagueis hating the Jedi so much couldn't stand a Sith doing this, so to protect Sith purity and explain the lack of Sith knowledge just goes with the story as truth? Just saying in all of Sith history only two? How can this be? Maybe Yoda explained this when he said that once you go down the dark path, there's no turning or coming back from it. And since we just said that there's no coming back from the dark and Sith can be light sided....what's more likely...that Gravid was an anomaly? Or that another Sith, told another lie, to gain power and position?
Peace is a lie. There is only Passion.
Through Passion, I gain Strength.
Through Strength, I gain Power.
Through Power, I gain Victory.
Through Victory my chains are Broken.
The Force shall free me.
Nothing about the very Sith Code itself, doesn't state anything about the dark side or the notion of being violent or cruel.
In a different point of view, the Sith code is about conquering onself and defeating one's own inner demons to attain absolute freedom, to be no longer mentally shackled by old programs/paradigma/ideologies.
As for the first sentence, It can mean that peace for a living being is never to be a permanent constant, because life is all about experiences and thus it can be disrupted.
Though one could assume that the peace promised by the old programs/paradigma/ideologies is the lie.
And that's why Star Wars is Fiction, because in real life, pretending to be good to gain Power works out pretty well for many
I felt like I've been called out he describe him as Selfless uet selfish, Chaotic yet peaceful, altruist yet greedy
Why did you say bastion like that??
"Basteeyon" 😂
Insanity is a word we give to people that have crossed the line and failed to return. In that we go insane every day.
The thing about Star Wars is that no perspective seems to have it all figured out.
I think plenty of humans reflect this desire to be better than what they truly know they are thus taking up compassion(or something else), it's why psychopaths do so well. They might not think a certain way but they understand the need to at least appear to.
While Darth Gravid developed under the Sith modus of absolute power absolutely. It's not entirely contradictive to seek it by admitting to ones self something drastic needs to be done in order to achieve more.
It sounds to me like Darth Gravid was the Dionysus type character. As he gets older he gets more "Crazy" to the point it appears like he's stepped over a line that cannot be stepped back from. Or like the Ubermench goes up to his little mountain cave to improve himself until he, every now and then, comes down from that cave to show everyone what he has achieved by improving himself.
What I mean is while we can say the Sith are self serving by nature, I've had enough time to think about this and I don't think any person isn't. Even being compassionate is to a degree can be self serving.
Also I wonder what Darth Gravid had with regards to the effects on the sith order, ie "Dealing in absolutes" because they kept looking back on his experience as a cautionary tale to avoid not experience.
For a similar reason I feel like the Jedi Sentinels are very interesting, I am rather fond of characters that take the long difficult and even pointless time wasting paths that yield interestingly unique self developed individuals. As an existentialist myself I feel like I can relate to them and Darth Gravid in regards to paths being blocked simply because of what we are or have been born into.
No man can serve two masters.
Pragmatic Sith Lords tend to be the scariest, because you can never know when they do something unpredictable knowing they are Sith.
It's about balance or Grey mindset. Walking a razor edge.
What about Vectivious?
That's why there's no such thing as a "Grey Jedi".
It's just a slippery slope to the dark side.
"You can't use the Light Side for Power" yet that is what the Jedi do as well. The Jedi also forsake the one emotion that you would draw upon the Light Side of the Force the most for... Love. Because they believe that Love leads to the Dark side.. when Love is the strongest emotion of the Light Side. So the Jedi have it just as confused as the Sith, and they also seek power just as the Sith do, but on opposite spectrums. The difference is they tell and try to convince themselves they are selfless, whereas the Sith do not.
As Anakin explained to Padmé, Jedi are required to love. Possession is what's forbidden. What he said to Padmé was completely true, but of course he only said it to manipulate her, which is the part that was forbidden. Anakin didn't truly love Padmé, he wanted to possess her. If he had loved her, then he wouldn't have done what he did, because she would have rather died than let Anakin commit his evil deeds.
The fact that there can't be good darksiders depresses me. It just makes the force feel so shallow
No one knows for certain who Yoda was.
I wish he'd've tried to turn to the light side...
I gotta say this Sith lord was correct but incorrect at the same time. He was correct in that being able to tap both the Light and Dark side he would become more powerful, but, like the video stated, he went about trying to achieve his goal all wrong. He needed to retrain himself to feel empathy, then he could have slowly trained himself in the light, finally he would end up in shoes similar to that of Revan. Doing "vile" acts for the greater good. We all know Revan was one of the most dangerous Jedi/Sith that ever lived, although in the end, nowhere as string as a Sith with the Dark side, nor as strong as a Jedi in the light, but still stronger than both.
I was honestly always a little confused as to WHY the Sith wanted to dominate other sapient beings. I mean, I get that domination and strength was their whole "thing," but once you have dominance over the Force, why would you give a shit about lording over a bunch of rando sapients? That would be like devoting your life to screwing around with ants out of boredom. That's why Darth Tenebrous' ideas make so much sense from a Sith perspective. When you can command the Force to such a degree as to use it to power your technology like a fucking car battery, why would ruling over others hold any appeal to you? You've basically bested a god, are you really going to go back to playing chess with morons?
Darth Marr: AM I a joke to you?
Is there a book that informs fans about the entire roster of Star Wars-universe?
I am Grey, through and through.
I feel like what he was trying to achieve and can become is a Grey but he did it the wrong way
I think he could have been successful but for one thing: he was trying to add 1 to 2 and have it become a much stronger 2, but that’s not right. If you add the light and the dark, you are left with neither, but rather something entirely new. So, him trying to make a more powerful Sith doctrine by adding to it the Jedi doctrine was always going to fail. He should have been trying to write a whole new Force Sensitive school’s doctrine that uses both Sith and Jedi knowledge, ie, both light and dark.
Then how the ancient Jedaii got to wield both sides?
What about Darth Imperius?
I think, he simply looked at wrong part of Jedi teaching. He should focus more about logic behind Jedi teachings, that way they practice them. This could be much more fitting for Sith. I am thinking about their views on force, how it's omnipresent energy that is made by all living things and reason why Jedi pursue peace, is because wars bring massive deaths that "hurts" force. They see life as something precious, that shouldn't be wasted in conflict. (That's just logic, not praxe or dogma) As Sith and Dark side user, his powers are in changes, be it destruction or creation. So he should try to use dark side to "help" life in galaxy. Sith alchemy could be good, in creating and modifying lifeforms for survival and prosperity (from creating new types of food sources to teraforming planets) He could also simply focusing on destroying treats to life. There is more way, it could go, but this is core of it.
you CAN have you cake and eat it to. its YOUR cake. do you make dinner and then decide you CANT eat it? no, you make it and eat it. what you CANT do is eat you cake and HAVE it too. cuz you ate it and its gone. period.
What if there is no light or dark side of the force, only the user and his temperament and propensities. I've noticed that when a person converts to a religion he more or less highjacks the religion for his own purposes, he curtails it to fit his views or justify them. This also depends on how much the person differs from the religion, as some are less of a match than others, take Obi Wan and Anakin, with the former matching the Jedi order like a glove. Whereas there are those who teeter between the two sides creating an inner tension and conflict favoring either the "Light" Mace Windu or the "Dark" Count Dooku.
I never even heard of this sith lord
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🎉Vectavis and Gravid 🎉
Omg I thought you were telling the same story awesome. He wasn't a Grey Jedi he was more like a demented dreamer. Sad he was on to something just started wrong. And my humble opinion a gray Jedi follows the code of always leaning to the light so the light comes first and using the dark pretty much for self-defense to protecting those who need help or must beating someone's ass that was evil.
I know savage Opress isn’t a Sith Lord but a dark side user that wasn’t inheritly evil
Gravid dealt in absolutes. Sith and Jedi deal in absolutes. Therein is a severe blindness for both orders. Aing-Tee regard the Force as a spectrum rather than gradients of light and dark. As a philosophy, it has a poise much easier to sustain than light or dark. Circumstances shape the color appropriate to the occasion. Time and again Jedi and Sith fall on easily avoided hubris, but they cannot see any other way.
Darth Bane, while cunning, intelligent, and resourceful, imparted to his line dire personal dilemmas: the Sith after him had to be Sithean whether by inclination or not
If the force actively fights mixing of the light and dark then how is anyone supposed to find balance between the two? How come the force didn't turn against Revan or Mace Windu?
I know this is no longer canon, but the lost tribe of the Sith that is heavily involved in the Fait of the Jedi series of novels isn't as evil as the regular sith. Luke and his son team up with them to fight Abeloth.
Sounds like the Grey Jedi.
To be sith, is to embrace all emotions as a part of who you are. To not deny or sacrifice what you feel and what you want. Unlike the jedi who deny emotions, and attachments. Sith also embrace love, commitment, the joy and pain of love and loss. They truly live.
You forget they focus on hate; pain and fear.
@@robpettigrew3308 hate, pain, and fear isn't the main focus for all of them. Some in the old story have been noted focusing on love, greed, and the sheer hunger for knowledge as well.
@@jamesgolden7317 Sith gain knowledge via power. So thier quest for knowledge is simply being power hungry. Greed is a negative drive as well.
Ok. I'll bite. Which Sith were driven (as Sith) by love for another?
@@robpettigrew3308 Darth Malgus had a love relationship. It wasn't till later that many claimed it was a weakness to him, so to avoid being seen as weak. He killed his lover.
There was also a sith species that didn't belong to the sith order. They all believed in having relationships, and even intimate relations.
This was more known and common, before Bane started the rule of 2. Later after the rule had been made. It was a lot less common to see any sith openly show if they had relationships, or the fact that they loved another. Since the sith and jedi both by that point controlled how others lived. Still in many cases, sith allowed other sith to do more of what they wanted, than the jedi.
@@damaskholdings9140 yet there's been good sith. Sith labeled as bad, cause they were force sensitive, and wouldn't follow the jedi. They chose to follow their own personal rules and life, while not even joining the sith order.
He went about it completely wrong . Looking to compassion for power is stupid.
So is Darth Gravid chaotic neutral?
How did Luke Skywalker go from a Jedi to a “white” Jedi? He studied the old texts but is that what changed him or was his failure with Ben Solo?
to me ben solo is not true canon
Can someone explain why it is impossible? The sith code and practice do derive power from pain and suffering, which is manipulated within ones self and others. However I never see anything within their actual texts that say they must inflict it, or are not allowed to act in kindness to better their power. Only in the Sith themselves do I see that, not in their code. As if one interpreted it this way and that was that.
Reasoning and intent is a very iffy line I'd argue because so much of it is based within perception. To a sepritist civillian, it is possible the Jedi were evil and wielding power to enslave them. To an Imperial born civillian it is possible the Sith were protecting them from a galaxy ravaged by war. A sith might offer mercy to gain power and standing but still feel compassion. Sparing this person because of their connections but also because of their child.
Could Darth Tenebrous be considered "good" as well?
There's no such thing as the "good guy," or "bad guy," there is only people, and their actions.
Jokes on you! My SWTOR Sith wasn't evil either. Serious note, I love your content.
Force Anomaly
I think he would've been better off as a grey jedi
the only user who achieved in joining the light and dark sides was Revan, thas way he is concidered the most powerfull jedi of all times
Never heard of this guy. Are these new characters
His ass should have just gave in to the light side. He was a Sith, but in his heart of hearts he was a Jedi.
You want a sith that isn't evil, look up Darth Vectivus.
Um hello Darth Malgus, Darth Krait. Darth Malady. Darth Talon. Darth Revan... None of them were evil
So basically he was the first ever Grey Sith.