The Freeman with quad 450R's for the resale. Although from what I've read the Invincible handles like a slot car almost. I'll be honest though, if I had a megabuck and change to drop on a boat I'd probably be looking at a Carver or Beneteau Swift in the 47 foot range.
As Mike Kennedy said, no comparison! The freeman is a custom boat and you are dealing with Freeman. Invincible is a production boat and you are dealing with a dealer. Anyone want to deal with another boat dealer? (Rhetorical) If you call Invincible and ask, "what is the difference compared to a Freeman", they immediately get defensive (seems like they know they are not in the same class). As said in the video, you can't even compare the investment value. Freemans sell for more used then they did new!
3ft seas out of Venice in a 32-34 Freeman and it lurched side to side captain said can't use autopilot because of that . Gonna be in a 42 next week out of Crystal River will see how it rides
Seriously, they are both bad ass boats! I would take either one and be perfectly happy. They both have tremendous reputations but you would have to wait a while for a new Freeman. I say it's a flip of the coin.
Nobody wants to talk about that, but the invincible cats handle like no other cat out there. Goes into turns like a monohull. Invincible over the Freeman for me.
I own a 42 Invincible Monohull and a 47 Freeman. Would not trade either of them for anything else on the market. Sea Hunter and Invincible turn better but ride worse in a straight line. The twitchy side veers of the Freeman came about because of defects with Garmin and Optimus. Use Mercury steering or Yamaha steering and Simrad or Furuno autopilot and you're gold. On any cat set the steering pump and auto pilot sensitivity to low. When either zip wake adjusts 10x/second like SK "Ride" or when Ride is adapted to the big Cats the cats will all ride even better than they do already.
Midnight express? Or a scout? Lol. You’ve never ridden in a cat have you? You could buy the new 54’ yellowfin and it still wouldn’t ride as good as a 37’ Freeman
Saying a freeman has more knowledge and history building cats is not true. Because invincible doesn’t design their own bottoms.. the marine architect that design their boat specialty is cats and been doing cats long before freeman ever existed.
@@trevorforbes2382 😂😂😂 and who makes the more money and which boat builder is more well known/seen on the water TODAY? Freeman is I’ve never seen what ever you just made up before
@@johnparnell4323 🤦🏼♂️ your kinda slow right. Lol. Why don’t you google the marine architect mentioned in my above post. They designed they cats for invincible. But clearly your just making statements with out doing any research lol. Ya freeman is a very popular brand that as a cult like following of people who love them blindly. Most of these people have no experience with competing boats. Also I see about as many invincible cats in palm beach co as I do freeman.
Some of us are interested in fishability. One of the major factors is Draft since some of us use them for flats fishing, bay fishing besides Blue water fishing. Creature comforts for our female fisher persons as well. How about it? which one does the best in this as well as air conditioning and standard equipment versus optional equipment add on items.
I'll take the invincible because watching a boat review of specs isn't the best its watching a boat ride review of both vessels & is the key who's better & I see invincible has a smoother softer less impact feel on the bottom hull when slapping on waves! Oh & maybe this one might change since no ride reviews seen but let's see the new comparison ride! Lol!
You do realize Freeman is the flag ship boat for catamarans correct? They set the standard and everyone else is trying to play catch up. Freeman will always be a step ahead. Try ridding in one and you will not go with the invincible
@@Smokeyr67 shark cat? Noosa cat? Lol keep dreaming buddy. They are not superior rides. People around the world know the freeman name. Not shark or noosa
@@Smokeyr67 shark cats are no where near the same classification of boat as a freeman. They look like a hunk shít. Good luck running 70 miles in your shark cat clunker. The freeman was designed to eliminate the characteristics of catamarans that look like the shark. Might as well buy a glacier bay 😂
I'm... suuure ya have. By the way, can you name one Invincible cat that HAS fallen apart? You know, as opposed to the Freeman that came apart, not because of terrible construction (you can't be taken seriously if you claim either make has POOR construction), but because of poor design, in the Gulf, when a charter captain was trying to make it back to Venice in a thunderstorm, but the Freeman couldn't get the bow down enough at the speed he had to run, (despite it being in the low 20's, fast enough to total the boat), in those conditions... so, he could not see the narrow remnant of an old rig sticking up when he got close enough to otherwise see it (were the bow not in his way). That may even have been what led to Freeman's somewhat laughable decision to put ballast tanks forward on some. Can you even name another company that has felt the need to resort to THAT? And yet, even before ballasting, one stuffed its characteristically thin bows off of Palm Beach. They are a SOUTH Carolina design, that also works in the Gulf (when not playing blind man's buff), but is not a world beater where there is significant groundswell to stuff into under the windchop... as evidenced by where you will see them most. They give away nothing on the fishing layout, though... except for the ability to walk a fish around the engines... which the Invincibles lack as well.
Man you are a freeman man as I understand, you are not comparing boats accounting to real tests... but you say only "my option my opinion"... These comparisons shall be accourding to reals offshore test like bump test with some sensors in the same off shore at the same time... and some real fuel consumption values and so on... 2 years waiting time of freeman can be only because freeman enters the market earlier... but buying an invincible can be a opportunity in this waiting list. So these videos are not bad but technically inadequate!
@@johnparnell4323 this guy is comparing two boats, one of which he has never been on. Freeman has a great following and love the company Billy has created, but when it comes to handling, turning and bow steer, Invincible blows it away. A properly designed cat hull is not supposed to lean out like Freeman’s do. Don’t get me wrong, both incredible boats.
@@carsondeer7296 have you ever been on a freeman? There is 0 lean at all. I have fished on many Freeman’s and never had a bad experience. I encourage you to fish on one when it’s 2-4 footers and your mind will change
If you could afford a Freeman 47T or Invincible 46, which would you buy and why?
I’d buy a Freeman! They’re much better! I’ve been on both boats
Freeman there a lot better in general I wish I had one, but my friend has a 47T. Edit: thx for the highlight ;)
Freeman all day best boat for the money if it wasnt there wouldn't a 2yr wait
Freeman Fosho 🏁
The Freeman with quad 450R's for the resale. Although from what I've read the Invincible handles like a slot car almost. I'll be honest though, if I had a megabuck and change to drop on a boat I'd probably be looking at a Carver or Beneteau Swift in the 47 foot range.
This channel is so under appreciated
Agreed with you 💯! Good facts. Drop the next video pls. Love your channel 🔥
As Mike Kennedy said, no comparison! The freeman is a custom boat and you are dealing with Freeman. Invincible is a production boat and you are dealing with a dealer. Anyone want to deal with another boat dealer? (Rhetorical) If you call Invincible and ask, "what is the difference compared to a Freeman", they immediately get defensive (seems like they know they are not in the same class). As said in the video, you can't even compare the investment value. Freemans sell for more used then they did new!
Pls more videos !!!
3ft seas out of Venice in a 32-34 Freeman and it lurched side to side captain said can't use autopilot because of that . Gonna be in a 42 next week out of Crystal River will see how it rides
Yes we want to see! 👍🏼🇺🇸
Do you a video on the 65 Estrella
what about the Jaguar fishing Cats?
Great job
I would say Freeman. I have fished offshore in one out of Crystal River Florida. Nice dry ride with no tunnel pounding!
I 100% agree with you. I would take the 47 freeman over the 46 invincible
I’d rather buy a Freeman, they’re MUCH BETTER! Does anyone know if I can place an order for the 47T?
Yes. Go to their website
You can
So these are only 2 companies that make catamaran center console boats ?
Seriously, they are both bad ass boats! I would take either one and be perfectly happy. They both have tremendous reputations but you would have to wait a while for a new Freeman. I say it's a flip of the coin.
Freeman is like a Rolex Watch! Value retention, not depreciation!
how do you think Renaissance Prowler Cats fit w/these two?
That 47' would be crazy with Quad V12 Mercury's
I just wish I could afford either. If I could , I think it would be the Freeman with the 425 Yamaha's. 🤟
What about the center chine in the invincible? Doesn’t it add to the handling?
Nobody wants to talk about that, but the invincible cats handle like no other cat out there. Goes into turns like a monohull. Invincible over the Freeman for me.
I’m looking at the Invincible, unless Freeman come out with a pilot house model.
I own a 42 Invincible Monohull and a 47 Freeman. Would not trade either of them for anything else on the market. Sea Hunter and Invincible turn better but ride worse in a straight line. The twitchy side veers of the Freeman came about because of defects with Garmin and Optimus. Use Mercury steering or Yamaha steering and Simrad or Furuno autopilot and you're gold. On any cat set the steering pump and auto pilot sensitivity to low. When either zip wake adjusts 10x/second like SK "Ride" or when Ride is adapted to the big Cats the cats will all ride even better than they do already.
Freeman.I have been watching this boat since they started building them.A#1 quality.
I like freeman more
How much fuel does the freeman hold? 1000 gallons in the invincible is awesome
Same amount
I like freeman
Beautiful but who can afford these?
Splitting hair here.
Reminds me of comparing BBQ.
This is a marvelous boat but I cannot afford to pay the petrol because Singapore petrol are very expensive
I would put a Seahunter in the mix before an Invincible.
How about the New Sea Hunter Cat, I hear they are good also
Wtf a million I was thinking way lower for that price go with a midnight express or scout yellowFin and if got the money u can get one 12 to 18 months
Midnight express? Or a scout? Lol. You’ve never ridden in a cat have you? You could buy the new 54’ yellowfin and it still wouldn’t ride as good as a 37’ Freeman
Saying a freeman has more knowledge and history building cats is not true. Because invincible doesn’t design their own bottoms.. the marine architect that design their boat specialty is cats and been doing cats long before freeman ever existed.
i want what you are smoking bc it must be something good!
@@johnparnell4323 you mean truth and logic lol. Morrelli & Melvin have been designing cats since the 70s ! Freeman has not.
@@trevorforbes2382 😂😂😂 and who makes the more money and which boat builder is more well known/seen on the water TODAY? Freeman is I’ve never seen what ever you just made up before
@@johnparnell4323 🤦🏼♂️ your kinda slow right. Lol. Why don’t you google the marine architect mentioned in my above post. They designed they cats for invincible. But clearly your just making statements with out doing any research lol. Ya freeman is a very popular brand that as a cult like following of people who love them blindly. Most of these people have no experience with competing boats.
Also I see about as many invincible cats in palm beach co as I do freeman.
@@trevorforbes2382 😂😂😂 blind ppl 🤣😭 I’m dead you realize the resale value on a freeman is so much better than an invincible
Freeman-- For The Win!
Buy the invincible, order the Freeman wait and then sell invincible
Some of us are interested in fishability. One of the major factors is Draft since some of us use them for flats fishing, bay fishing besides Blue water fishing. Creature comforts for our female fisher persons as well. How about it? which one does the best in this as well as air conditioning and standard equipment versus optional equipment add on items.
I'll take the invincible because watching a boat review of specs isn't the best its watching a boat ride review of both vessels & is the key who's better & I see invincible has a smoother softer less impact feel on the bottom hull when slapping on waves! Oh & maybe this one might change since no ride reviews seen but let's see the new comparison ride! Lol!
You do realize Freeman is the flag ship boat for catamarans correct? They set the standard and everyone else is trying to play catch up. Freeman will always be a step ahead. Try ridding in one and you will not go with the invincible
@@cwill114 Shark cat, Noosa Cat and others are far better options unless you value unusable speed over sea keeping ability.
@@Smokeyr67 shark cat? Noosa cat? Lol keep dreaming buddy. They are not superior rides. People around the world know the freeman name. Not shark or noosa
@@cwill114 Anyone who knows power cats know Shark cat, obviously you have no idea so I’ll cut you some slack.
@@Smokeyr67 shark cats are no where near the same classification of boat as a freeman. They look like a hunk shít. Good luck running 70 miles in your shark cat clunker. The freeman was designed to eliminate the characteristics of catamarans that look like the shark. Might as well buy a glacier bay 😂
Owned both brands, if you want your boat to fall apart buy a invincible. Want a boat that will age well, and not fall apart buy a Freeman.
Mike appreciate You sharing your Opinions and or possibly Your knowledge Please come back and share with us your whats and whys
I'm... suuure ya have. By the way, can you name one Invincible cat that HAS fallen apart? You know, as opposed to the Freeman that came apart, not because of terrible construction (you can't be taken seriously if you claim either make has POOR construction), but because of poor design, in the Gulf, when a charter captain was trying to make it back to Venice in a thunderstorm, but the Freeman couldn't get the bow down enough at the speed he had to run, (despite it being in the low 20's, fast enough to total the boat), in those conditions... so, he could not see the narrow remnant of an old rig sticking up when he got close enough to otherwise see it (were the bow not in his way). That may even have been what led to Freeman's somewhat laughable decision to put ballast tanks forward on some. Can you even name another company that has felt the need to resort to THAT? And yet, even before ballasting, one stuffed its characteristically thin bows off of Palm Beach. They are a SOUTH Carolina design, that also works in the Gulf (when not playing blind man's buff), but is not a world beater where there is significant groundswell to stuff into under the windchop... as evidenced by where you will see them most. They give away nothing on the fishing layout, though... except for the ability to walk a fish around the engines... which the Invincibles lack as well.
In can afford neither but I feel like invincible is the great value of freeman.
buty is in the eyes of the beholder
Beauty
Well-made cats
Freeman baby !
Man you are a freeman man as I understand, you are not comparing boats accounting to real tests... but you say only "my option my opinion"... These comparisons shall be accourding to reals offshore test like bump test with some sensors in the same off shore at the same time... and some real fuel consumption values and so on... 2 years waiting time of freeman can be only because freeman enters the market earlier... but buying an invincible can be a opportunity in this waiting list. So these videos are not bad but technically inadequate!
The people watching these videos can't afford either one.
Yes on the cayo...
Freeman is King, competitors are obsolete!
Seahunter blows them both away
Freeman!
I've been on both on the same day and I'd take an invincible
If you've ever seen Freeman they are terrible in following seas.. Invincible is much better in real world conditions
Bro come on was this supposed to be a review if it was horrible Come on not trying to beat you up here but if this is a review and make it a review
Why buy used freeman when you can buy a new invincible
Because value retention
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So much misguided information here.
What’s miss guided? I don’t see anything wrong ? You’re just a Freeman hater
@@gmogfx2632 negative. Been on both vessels more than once. Both incredible machines.
hmmmm buy a freeman and ride on one then talk to me
@@johnparnell4323 this guy is comparing two boats, one of which he has never been on. Freeman has a great following and love the company Billy has created, but when it comes to handling, turning and bow steer, Invincible blows it away. A properly designed cat hull is not supposed to lean out like Freeman’s do. Don’t get me wrong, both incredible boats.
@@carsondeer7296 have you ever been on a freeman? There is 0 lean at all. I have fished on many Freeman’s and never had a bad experience. I encourage you to fish on one when it’s 2-4 footers and your mind will change
Cant even try to compare the invincible to the freeman dude, freeman will always be on top without a doubt
Invincible boats are built terrible. They blister and get stress cracks all over the place.