Instead of importing duty-free cooking oil, why not remove all taxes from locally manufactured cooking oil? This way we can avoid job losses and grow our local industry. Kuria and his cronies only want to benefit on a personal level. Very sad.😢
Is the locally manufactured oil able to satisfy the market? 100% not, so then, do we have local oil costing 300 & imported 600. What do you think the businessmen will do? Price is about supply and demand. To reduce the price, have the commodity availability higher than the demand. That's what the government is trying to do!
@@georgeodhiambo598 . You really don't know what you're talking about. Why don't we import tea but we import cooking oil? If the maize we produce cannot satisfy the demand, what makes you think oil will? You people twisting facts to fit your narrative. Amazing!
@@josiahwanjiku9187u are shallow minded and floating on facts. Are you aware that Pwani Oil closed its edible oil processing plant in Mombasa because they faced such serious dollar crunch that they could not import what they needed when they needed them? It was widely publicized in the media with the company and Central Bank Governor throwing bricks at each other until it became public, much later that there was a dollar crunch in the country! We're you aware of that? When you import processed goods, particularly the ones you can produce, you export jobs. Then in a fit of madness Moses Kuria arranges surreptitiously, to give tenders to their cronies to import edible oil, DUTY FREE! You know nothing about the high stakes games being played by crooks in Govt. If Kenya wants to produce all the oil it needs, it can do so. But those in power are serving their own interests. Then we start wondering why we don't have enough dollars, and because we don't have enough dollars, we end up with shillings chasing too few dollars, and the shilling looses value. Abd the crisis feeds into itself as matters spin out of control. Then what was that you said about "why don't we import tea"? What kind of nonsense is that? Why do you want to import tea, get we massively export the same product? However there are tea brands that we import for people seeking special taste and brands. Lastly oil is not maize. So I don't even understand the thread of your argument. The Govt has sensitive controls through which it can make a product to be more expensive or less expensive than it ought to be. Those controls are often abused for private gain. You know nothing.
The finance bill should be explained by economics, financial analysts and Accountants. Get lawyers out of the discussions. They are paid to defend their clients position no matter how crazy that position is.
so lawyers dont understand economics or the economy? are you even listening to yourself? lots of the things which are in that document can be understood and by any literate person, after all the prezzo is a miti shamba doctor and the deputy is a senior chief yet they are the architects of the whole bullshit doc
There is a reason why it is called a "Bill". That is a legal term, not a financial concept. Using both Finance and Bill means that you need input from both experts. Whatever financial technicalities are created must meet the legal requirements. It is the lawyers who will advise, defend or challenge the legality of the Bill. In other words, the creation of a Finance Bill is not the exclusive responsibility of the Financial experts; it involves other stakeholders who have no financial skills, like the citizens and the lawyers being part of it to ensure that the proposed law will be constitutional and not have legal loopholes that will exploit the stakeholders. That is the raison d'être why it cannot be left only to the financial and economic experts. An exclusive right is granted to them only when it doesn't affect people outside the realm of Finance as a profession. On the contrary, this process is a constitutional provision, and even boda boda riders can analyse and question the taxes that will affect their business.
The Kenya Kwanza aims at enlarging the tax base to increase total tax collected. In other words, this govt wants to increase the number of 'cows milked' to increase the milk supply. If ALL Kenyans- formal employees, private single member businesses, land lords, boda bodas etc- paid their due taxes, and the government was responsible, Kenya would be at a higher level of economic well being.
Of course you are wrong and you know it! Even the most obnoxious tax that Ruto has introduced, ie the additional 8% VAT of fuel products, does not involve expanding the tax base. It involves trying to get more milk from the same cow. Willis Otieno is perfectly right.
But cherangei akiwa hapo akiongea upuzi Yuko sawa but huyo haelewi na ndio ukaona hio bill haina mpango 90% wakenya wamepinga ni Kwa sababu mwenye anaongoza ni mtu kuchunga ngombe advisor ni wachunga so akili ni zangombe na kma ww nawe wangombe huezi elewa kitu
All Kenyans must engage in discussing higher taxation. It is the wearer of the shoes who knows where it pinches most. Stop focussing on the messenger. Focus on the message and tell us why you are holding a different opinion. Days when public affairs would be left solely to "experts" are long gone. Be a participant in shaping public policies.
He is smart, but he forgets kafament iko na new grounds ya kutax;like content creators . That the model of Kibaki and Uhuru used was largely affected by population growth, and the one for Ruto is to look at new sources of revenue .
Why are you struggling so hard to sound stupid? Willis stated from the onset, and rightly so that Kenyans are not resisting paying taxes. It is the steep rise in taxation that is being challenged. And Willis Otieno has explained it well with his analogy. I may also add that when taxation rate is applied beyond the reach of people, then consumption and employment rate goes down leading to lower tax revenues.
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Instead of importing duty-free cooking oil, why not remove all taxes from locally manufactured cooking oil? This way we can avoid job losses and grow our local industry. Kuria and his cronies only want to benefit on a personal level. Very sad.😢
Is the locally manufactured oil able to satisfy the market? 100% not, so then, do we have local oil costing 300 & imported 600. What do you think the businessmen will do? Price is about supply and demand. To reduce the price, have the commodity availability higher than the demand. That's what the government is trying to do!
Yes local supply is able to match the local market needs. But on the flip side, why import duty-free what can be produced locally
@@georgeodhiambo598 . You really don't know what you're talking about. Why don't we import tea but we import cooking oil? If the maize we produce cannot satisfy the demand, what makes you think oil will? You people twisting facts to fit your narrative. Amazing!
@@josiahwanjiku9187u are shallow minded and floating on facts. Are you aware that Pwani Oil closed its edible oil processing plant in Mombasa because they faced such serious dollar crunch that they could not import what they needed when they needed them? It was widely publicized in the media with the company and Central Bank Governor throwing bricks at each other until it became public, much later that there was a dollar crunch in the country! We're you aware of that? When you import processed goods, particularly the ones you can produce, you export jobs. Then in a fit of madness Moses Kuria arranges surreptitiously, to give tenders to their cronies to import edible oil, DUTY FREE! You know nothing about the high stakes games being played by crooks in Govt.
If Kenya wants to produce all the oil it needs, it can do so. But those in power are serving their own interests. Then we start wondering why we don't have enough dollars, and because we don't have enough dollars, we end up with shillings chasing too few dollars, and the shilling looses value. Abd the crisis feeds into itself as matters spin out of control.
Then what was that you said about "why don't we import tea"? What kind of nonsense is that? Why do you want to import tea, get we massively export the same product? However there are tea brands that we import for people seeking special taste and brands.
Lastly oil is not maize. So I don't even understand the thread of your argument.
The Govt has sensitive controls through which it can make a product to be more expensive or less expensive than it ought to be. Those controls are often abused for private gain. You know nothing.
Willis otieno is very smart
Very smart, well explained 👏👏👏
Ruto ni shenzi sana. I am not an economist, but I will ask him to try extreme austerity, curb corruption and mismanagement
Well said
But Luos are smart and eloquent
Is this the ponki ponki
Peter mielo Disco paka milelo disko😂😂😊❤
He's the one 😂😂
this is well said
Piki piki ponki
The finance bill should be explained by economics, financial analysts and Accountants. Get lawyers out of the discussions. They are paid to defend their clients position no matter how crazy that position is.
We know you are shareholder and a beneficiary of this government of thugs😅
i agree
so lawyers dont understand economics or the economy? are you even listening to yourself? lots of the things which are in that document can be understood and by any literate person, after all the prezzo is a miti shamba doctor and the deputy is a senior chief yet they are the architects of the whole bullshit doc
Wivu tu inakusumbua. Ukiambiwa usome we ulikuwa unahesabu mafudhi. Nugu🚮
There is a reason why it is called a "Bill". That is a legal term, not a financial concept. Using both Finance and Bill means that you need input from both experts. Whatever financial technicalities are created must meet the legal requirements. It is the lawyers who will advise, defend or challenge the legality of the Bill. In other words, the creation of a Finance Bill is not the exclusive responsibility of the Financial experts; it involves other stakeholders who have no financial skills, like the citizens and the lawyers being part of it to ensure that the proposed law will be constitutional and not have legal loopholes that will exploit the stakeholders. That is the raison d'être why it cannot be left only to the financial and economic experts. An exclusive right is granted to them only when it doesn't affect people outside the realm of Finance as a profession. On the contrary, this process is a constitutional provision, and even boda boda riders can analyse and question the taxes that will affect their business.
Love the idea of the cow!! Makes sense..you'd be milking blood now!
The Kenya Kwanza aims at enlarging the tax base to increase total tax collected. In other words, this govt wants to increase the number of 'cows milked' to increase the milk supply. If ALL Kenyans- formal employees, private single member businesses, land lords, boda bodas etc- paid their due taxes, and the government was responsible, Kenya would be at a higher level of economic well being.
Employees have been paying PAYE 30% taxes, NHIF2.75%,NSSF 2.7% religiously. Additional taxes on the same employee is what is punitive
I wish everybody responding here had the same reasoning capacity. High court judges included.
Of course you are wrong and you know it! Even the most obnoxious tax that Ruto has introduced, ie the additional 8% VAT of fuel products, does not involve expanding the tax base. It involves trying to get more milk from the same cow. Willis Otieno is perfectly right.
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Nothing will change with lawyers discussing the economy, they don't have any clue, bring economist.sad to listen to this guys
How sad sir?
just because you are kalejin bro.....sto the nonsenses and wake up
But cherangei akiwa hapo akiongea upuzi Yuko sawa but huyo haelewi na ndio ukaona hio bill haina mpango 90% wakenya wamepinga ni Kwa sababu mwenye anaongoza ni mtu kuchunga ngombe advisor ni wachunga so akili ni zangombe na kma ww nawe wangombe huezi elewa kitu
@@simonmuchiri1560Ukabila imetokea wapi
All Kenyans must engage in discussing higher taxation. It is the wearer of the shoes who knows where it pinches most. Stop focussing on the messenger. Focus on the message and tell us why you are holding a different opinion. Days when public affairs would be left solely to "experts" are long gone. Be a participant in shaping public policies.
Mr pakapakq ponkiii
Is unfortunate Government has no good will to ordinary to it's people and that is the cause of Maandamano.
This one went to court to sing
He is smart, but he forgets kafament iko na new grounds ya kutax;like content creators . That the model of Kibaki and Uhuru used was largely affected by population growth, and the one for Ruto is to look at new sources of revenue .
The most widely contested tax is the increase of VAT on fuel from 8% to 16%. It involves trying to get more milk from the same cow.
@@georgeodhiambo598he’s a fool
Kindly esplain how population growth and expading tax base are fundalemtally different. It's almost one and same thing when all else is left constant
Pikipiki ponkii
pikipiki ponky
Pikipiki ponki paka mielo jose carmago ! U re dreaming during day time
Lawyer willis, why are you cheating kenyans?. We have brains, let the country run. Pay taxes, no escape. Unafiki tuache.
Why are you struggling so hard to sound stupid? Willis stated from the onset, and rightly so that Kenyans are not resisting paying taxes. It is the steep rise in taxation that is being challenged.
And Willis Otieno has explained it well with his analogy. I may also add that when taxation rate is applied beyond the reach of people, then consumption and employment rate goes down leading to lower tax revenues.
you can pay our taxes as well if you think there's enough to be paid on your side.
You are funny you rush into what you don't understand