Any god that demands worship, with the threat of eternal punishment, while simultaneously refusing to demonstrate its own existence is not worthy of your time.
@@misterdeity Thanks. This whole thing just struck me as odd and counterproductive. If anything, this whole “god wants a relationship with you or else!” just sounds like an abusive interaction that nobody talks about.
I did 20 years in the navy helping to stop the evil red spread and this is the thanks I get. People who believe it is ok to do anything to win and it is morally ok, using Jesus as their inspiration (Christian Nation). I am so deeply hurt by the people who I thought I was protecting, but now, I need to be protected from!
Also a Cold Warrior. It's just the way people are. Democracy was a delicate thing even then. Also, did you know that Ronald Reagan ended the Soviet bloc all by himself?
"We've arranged a society based on science and technology in which nobody understands anything about science and technology. And this combustible mixture of ignorance and power sooner or later is going to blow up in our faces." ~Carl Sagan,
The similarities between religion, conspiracy theories, and Trumpism are great, and fully expected given that it's all just human psychology on display. Unfortunately, when people believe what they want to believe, rather than what the evidence supports, the consequences are never good.
"Fragile" by Yes - my all time favorite by them. Thanks, Mr. D. Another spot-on take regarding my fave quote by Mr. Hitchens: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
When I was young, I was nuts about Tales From Topographic Oceans and Close To The Edge. All these years later, it's Fragile that holds up and is clearly their masterpiece!
Brian why only 69K subscribers? This is a crime against humanity. My only dislike is that this channel should have more subs. I'll have to spread the word even more then...till then keep up the great work.
@@watson5551 , 1st I love what you did with "feudal" and futile. Second sometimes people prefer the lie just cause it feels better. Like telling a child the Dog went to a farm upstate (instead of the dog pushing up daisies). Self delusion and avoiding the often harsh truth of reality is most common (sadly).
If I wasn't on public assistance and near eviction I would tithe every penny I could muster to keep you up and running brother. All laughs, love and respect to you, your heart and your dedication to making stellar content for the likes of me... Thanks!
Roughly half of all the discussions I've had with christians about their invisible and silent deity ended up with their final claim being, "I believe in god, and you can't prove he doesn't exist..." To which my frequent response was, "And if I believe in centaurs, can you prove they don't exist?" Some never answered me, but SOME actually tried to respond in the affirmative---until they realized the fallacy I'd revealed in their claim. So the concrete fact remains that NO ONE can prove ANYTHING either does---or doesn't---exist when there's no conclusive evidence to back up either claim.
All these years I’ve been thinking it was sock demon stealing my socks from the dryer. But Centaurs are just as likely. I can’t believe I didn’t think of it until now!
I told a south american devout catholic that when I was young I figured out that Jesus was nothing more than just another Santa. Completely unironically she told me "but Santa is just a story" huh.
I’ve never met a single person who believes in a religion based on faith. They all think they have strong evidence. But that never stops them from insisting I believe (and pay tithing) based on faith and hope it proves out.
That’s probably been the most surprising thing about religion, after stepping back to look at it from the outside, is how often claims are treated as evidence. Scripture, testimony and beliefs were these absolutes that made god “real”. Except, lots of different people held opposite beliefs and still used the exact same “evidence”. Something definitely doesn’t work here. I think a Hitchens quote sums religion up best: they can’t all be right, but they can all be wrong.
testimony and scripture (which is just written testimony) ARE evidence. They may not be very good evidence, but they meet the definition of the term, ie, tending to prove or disprove a proposition. Some claims are evidence, and some aren't. There's a lot of confusion on these terms that comes from dumbing them down for public consumption.
@@kellydalstok8900 Nope. The Bible is evidence. It contains many many claims. Some of them are even true. If I say that I can sprint around the earth in 30 seconds, my statement is both a claim and evidence of that claim. It isn't very good evidence, and you would be wise to disbelieve it, but it is still evidence. It would even be admissible in court. But if I make a claim that I cannot know is true, that statement is just a claim, and not evidence. It would be excluded from evidence due to lack of foundation.
@@scambammer6102 Aside from the legit seven letter of Paul, we don’t have anything even close to testimony. The gospels are anonymously written by third-hand… or twenty-hand sources(?). Who knows?!!! That’s not evidence. Only evidence that someone made a claim at some point… decades later. Give me any situation in which that would qualify as evidence.
@@misterdeity Historical analysis often relies on anonymous sources. The term “evidence” does not entail any degree of reliability. It only requires that a statement tends to prove or disprove a proposition. There are many statements in the Bible that do not meet that definition, because they are vague, inconsistent or unintelligible; but there are many statements that do meet that definition, and there has been a lot of scholarly work trying to determine the historical accuracy of various Biblical passages. The fact that Biblical accounts are often wrong (probably) doesn’t mean that they aren’t evidence; it just means they are ultimately not persuasive. The losing party in a trial presents evidence, the jury just doesn’t believe them. BTW I enjoy your channel.
The 'believers' like to claim belief without evidence is the test itself. But then every time someone pops up claiming to be Jesus they demand evidence themselves. Good times. Also, 'Testify' blocked me now. On a roll...
@@valivali8104 I try to be careful not to be blatantly rude and trollish. Stick to the arguments, present evidence, etc. But, they like their echo chambers and dissenting voices are not welcome.
I wish I could press the like button several dozen times. I have encountered way too many people who both claim they follow evidence AND tell me, with respect to certain beliefs they hold, that there is NOTHING I could present to them that would change their mind. They are completely blind to the contradiction.
1:02 Yes. Yes! YES!! A very 'Roundabout' reference, there Bri-Bri. And a direct one, too - no 'Long Distance Run Around's here. 'All Good People' love your cunning linguistics. Howe ever do you do it, Squire?
@@misterdeity There are even more truly strange and deeply unsettling implications if some thinking along these lines is correct. Check out Donald Hoffman: Reality is an Illusion - How Evolution Hid the Truth on the Lex Fridman Podcast
I listened to The Atheist Experience today. There was a guy arguing that since the Bible says that animals came from the sea or whatever, it's talking about evolution and therefore true. And despite the fact that it just plum forgot to mention the millions of years that came before, made plants before the sun, made the stars at a different time to the time he made the sun, a star and lots of other things like that, he genuinely seemed convinced that this was some very powerful argument. I was actually surprised by how good he thought this bad argument was and I've heard it all. He really seemed to think the hosts should go "Oh wow. I just don't know how to respond to that. I, I, don't,... My GOD What have I been doing? Please forgive me Lord!" 😭😭😭😭 It's a hell of a thing religion. It seems to hijack your perception and ramps up your bias to eleven. I just don't know how that happens. These people walk around all day with a head full of garbage completely convinced it's gold plated diamonds. With head held high they confidently open their mouth and shit comes out and falls on the floor, only for them to point to it with beaming pride. It's genuinely astounding.
From Indy100: As Steve Bannon entered the U.S. District Court House for his trial regarding his refusal to comply with subpoenas from the House Select Committee's January 6th investigation he sported his notorious *three shirt fashion choice.* Despite the fact that it was 90°F in Washington D.C. on Tuesday, one shirt is just not enough for the former White House chief strategist under Donald Trump, Bannon, 68, wore a *black t-shirt, purple button-down, and a dark grey button-down all fitted underneath a dark grey blazer.* The perfect outfit for defending yourself on two counts of criminal contempt of Congress charges.
Hearsay is, essentially, the practice of saying: I believe X because I know a guy who says that X is true because he also knows a guy who says X is true because he knows a gal who read a book that says X is true, and she believed what the book said. Why? Because. That is not evidence. And here comes Cameron “I wear my cap backwards” Bertuzzi to say yes, hearsay is evidence. Twisting the definition of evidence indeed.
Taking beliefs to be facts, without evidence, has been a long-term problem. This intellectual sloppiness appears to be based upon the extremely sloppy reasoning of religious institutions. Religious leaders have always been aware of the fact that they have no supporting evidence. To them, beliefs are facts, even though beliefs aren't facts. That's also why there are so many different religious groups...each religious leader knows that the opposition has no evidence to fight them with.
Works for the far right. It's no coincidence that people who have joined the Q-cult are also very religious. When people ask what harm it does for people believe in a god... this is the harm! When your epistemology is so weak that anecdotal evidence outweighs empirical evidence, you are causing harm to yourself and others!
Every time I see news about humanity getting closer to crossing the 1.5C increase in temperature boundary, and the ever increasing damage wrought by climate change, the more I fear your conclusion is correct: human civilization as we know it is likely doomed. And I’m grateful that neither of our daughters wants to have children. 😢
Trump will be reinstated on -Jan. 20, 2021- -March 4, 2021- -July 4, 2021- -Aug. 13, 2021- -Thanksgiving 2021- -Dec. 31, 2021- -Aug. 21, 2022- To be announced after more thoughts and prayers and hits off my crack pipe. Love in Christ, Mike Lindell
@@parkjammer I've had a "follower" make a quite detailed psychoanalytic profile, including theories on my parentage, based on nothing but one of my comments.
I saw the towers fall on 9/11, and Trump's inauguration, and the insurrection on Jan 6th, and the space shuttle Atlantis' last launch and landing (and it's return piggyback flight to KSC) all on television. Am I mistaken? or did you mean something different?
@@tracewallace23 You are correct. You saw it on television. For example, only two people witnessed the first moon landing and millions watched parts of it on television. One guy very close to the event only heard about it on the radio.
They who disregard reality are they who are most likely to condemn or forsake it. Then, when it is all burning to ash will look up and say with glee in their eye: See, I told you so! The rapture is here upon us! Convert before it's too late! There is still ti..(💥BANG💥)...what kind of bang I wonder what the reader imagined?🤪 ...though I wonder how many thought of the "Gnab Gib"....as Douglass Adam's might have?
I don't understand why people are so eager to prove to the whole world that they are stupid. This guy got dead and after a while he got better and a bit after that he flew up into the sky to live with his daddy which was also him? Bloody insanity, yet drongos all over the world think this is reasonable. It's bloody well *_NOT!!!_*
Then there's all the YEC's who seem to think evidence has a plural form. They want to look at the 'evidences' for creation. Even if they can't come up with one.
It’s a theistic three-card Monte; they keep distracting believers with fast talk and fancy moves, while taking their money. Meanwhile, the God isn’t even there.
It is all exacerbated by social media, which acts as a stupidity amplifier with positive feedback. Which may answer Fermi's question. Social media is the great filter that wipes out technological civilizations.
Hi love! I fear you're right. And here, I guess because I'm old, I was awed and excited about the learning aspect of social media, and have learned much. But from all studies, books, (still my favorites!) are, by far, the best way the brain learns and retains that learning. They think must digest it differently. On line can be too much too fast or something. Love to keep running into you, though! And your great comments!💫🤩😍😘🥰✌
@@laurajarrell6187 Hi Laura. I, too, was excited when the internet appeared. That excitement wore off when I saw that stupid people used it to say stupid things.
misterdeity is an evidence supremacist! it’s the way of the mister; bkd works in misterious ways, therefore he is rational in requiring the modern scientific definition of evidence to support supernatural claims. Excellent and superbly entertaining, while providing indispensable information.
The further question it spurs is does such a species demonstrate it *deserves* to be long for this world. The answer is, of course, not so long as it puts zero effort into demonstrably being worthwhile. And that has been a historic failure.
If someone has any kind of apocalyptic eschatology, call me prejudiced but I'd prefer they be kept away from nukes. And yes, that means away from the White House too.
I don't do Tweets or Instagram or WhatsApp or TikTok and I'm not entirely sure what a 'hashtag' is, but I pretty much agree with Mr Dalton's take on the dangers of evidence-free decision making. This is an enormous problem in the USA - less so over here in the UK but we're not entirely immune from it (hashtag Brexit... is that how it works?). But it's not just the religious who are affected by this serious cognitive dysfunction and it seems to me that a great many secular Yanks are also unwilling to face up to the existential threat mentioned towards the end of this video. This inability to confront reality is not necessarily based on religious indoctrination into a particular greed or denomination, but is the result of 'religious thinking' which drives people to adopt all sorts of evidence-free positions and assumptions. "Global warming and Climate Change will be solved by Good ol' American Know How' is a common one that even many atheists have repeated, because they are unwilling to accept or admit that there is no 'solution' and that it is probable that even our mere survival is dependent on changes in political and economic systems, lifestyles, and levels of consumption that many people are just not willing to contemplate... and therefore they feel more comfortable in parroting ludicrous and idiotic reassurances that have no basis in science and are not grounded on any kind of good evidence.
I speak to a Christian each week about her beliefs and mine, our last conversation she said that 'you cant change my mind' I replied with well my mind can change, with evidence, dont you think everyones should?! I need physical demonstrable evidence for a gods existence, a holy book written 2000 years ago just wont do it. She then came out with her relationship with god is as real to her as her talking to me there and then. Obviously this was a very powerful statement, first I thought wow?! How many ways we can prove she is talking to me there and then compared to how many ways we can test her relationship with with her god, the evidence for both cant be compared at all. It was such a dishonest thing she said. Ill be speaking to her next week and would love to continue, take further that claim she made as it ended shortly after with what she said, she is not a young earth creationist so goes with science and the big bang theory, so doesnt take the bible literally on the age of the earth, I pointed out what method does she use to reject certain parts of the bible. it's quite messed up on what she takes literally of the bible. Sometimes she has changed the conversation when it clearly doesnt make sense, the cognitive dissonance in her beliefs etc. Any suggestions on how you would go about exploring that claim she made about her relationship with god? Thanks guys.
That picture of Steve Bannon looks like an old non-functioning alcoholic/addict version of Chum-Lee telling you that he paid you back that money he owed you (he didn't) while trying to convince you to "loan" him more money (definitely not for drugs and alcohol like last time), for a job interview, court date, new phone, to help his sick mother, tent, etc.🙄 🤣🤣
Now we're talking - there's nothing like a heaping dollop of existential dread. And this is pure, Grade A dread, not watered down with gawds and angels, demons and devils - it's the good stuff. And the best part of this dread? There isn't a respawn.
I subscribe to this channel but somehow I missed this video last year. It sums up the existential danger posed by irrational and unjustified belief held by those for whom 'evidence' is a meaningless concept quite well, but this dangerous mindset is even more widespread and pervasive than Mr Dalton implies, and sadly not confined just to the overtly religious. What I would call 'Religious Thinking' can be found among the non-religious as well - not to anything like the same extent perhaps, but depressingly often nonetheless. For example, I have a friend who is convinced that our former Prime Minister, the late Ted Heath, was one of a number of powerful political figures and members of our ruling class who were involved in a paedophile ring, abusing young boys, and even murdering one who became un-cooperative (sound familiar?) decades ago. These allegations originated in the 1980s and have hung around for years, getting intermixed with a similar scandal involving political figures in Northern Ireland and a children's home there. However, it turned out that there was no good evidence for most of these allegations (although the Northern Irish scandal did seem to have some basis in reality) and no real evidence that our former Tory Prime Minister was an abusive paedophile. But my friend hated Ted Heath so much, hated everything that he stood for, hated his political party, and hated the class whose interests Ted Heath served that he convinced himself that these allegations must be true... because these people were so vile that they were capable of anything. My friend is an intelligent and thoughtful man, and an atheist, but in this instance he fell victim to 'Religious Thinking'... convincing himself to believe something because he wanted to believe it. By the same token there are vast numbers of people, especially in the developed countries of the world, who want to believe that we can do something effective to halt, or to limit the damage caused by, Global Warming and Climate Change WITHOUT making drastic changes to our lifestyles, our economic system, or to our levels of personal consumption. This is yet another example of 'Religious Thinking' and whilst it is especially prevalent among people who are actually religious, it can also be found amongst a great many secular people and those who profess no religious adherence at all. These are dangerous times.
Taking beliefs to be facts has been evolutionarily advantageous for millions of years. You hear there's something in the woods that eats children, so you don't take your children in the woods. It doesn't take too many "yes, it turns out *that* wolf was real" for it to be advantageous. Since there was no reason for fellow tribe-members to lie about dangers, listening to the stories of your elders kept you alive, right up until the days of modern communication a few hundred years ago. This isn't something we're going to solve in our lifetimes, but it's useful to keep discussing it or it won't ever get better.
When people have faith, reason is not an option. Go back to the Middle ages and the belief in holy relics. So many people owned pieces of "The True Cross" that you could have built the ark with them. Flash forward to today and you get people electing Boebert who doesn't believe in separation of church and state, that it is in the Constitution.
How about the keeping of remains, often with a statue or other art, they pray to, that is allegedly of “saints?” There are churches all over the world, which claim to have a bone, skull, etc. of a saint, prophet, etc. The only evidence that it’s the actual person, is because generations have been told it was true. Hearsay, repeated for centuries becomes myth, legend snd even historical evidence for nearly every organized religion.
I also wonder how Greg Locke, as well as others, keep tax exempt status, even though they record themselves telling the congregation that any democrat is a demon? Not welcome in the church, snd he’ll yell for them to “get out!” He also repeats that voting for any democrat is evil, snd any democrat is a demon by default. He’s not even talking metaphorically, as he calls people he worked with demons, once they had a disagreement with him. I haven’t heard of any large church getting it’s tax exempt status taken for violating separation of church and state, since the 90’s.
Who should decide what constitutes good evidence for a god? I'll let any Xian! Let them say what they would accept as definitive proof FOR - or, short of that, rational justification for belief IN - a god _other than theirs_ and we'll set that as the standard.
A Gnostic Gospel, “The True Story,” dating from the mid-4th century, clearly states that when Jesus rose from the dead, He did so with a WOODEN LEG! Mary Magdalene saw it, and the Apostle Thomas knelt down and touched it with his own hand, and exclaimed in a loud voice, “My lord! A WOODEN LEG.” So, nyahhh to you, buddy!
@@c.augustin Unfortunately only a few fragments of the original 4th Century parchment survive, none of which describe the loss of His Original Leg, but scholars have proposed that it was burned off by the infernal fires when “He descended into Hell” after His burial. A few curious lines from the last page of the manuscript indicate that when He ascended into Heaven, the disciples who were waving goodbye saw a wooden leg “fall from the Sky, and Thomas got a bump on his head.” Replaced, one assumes, by a “Spiritual Leg. 🦵🦿🍗 But that translation is controversial.
I wonder sometimes if I see these deficiencies in the MAGA crowd more easily than I see them in myself. E.g., do I accept reports that support my narrative without checking them out? Probably so. I am going to try to check myself on that going forward.
That's a good policy. What helps is to find resources which have a good track record of truth-telling. Or when there are very specific issues, checking reliable fact-checking websites with a good track record - like Snopes, etc... And yes, a record of truth-telling can be determined. If not, we're all in trouble.
Isaiah 53 Speaks of one who will come and take the sins of the people upon himself, be killed in the process, and live again to God's glory. Sounds exactly like Jesus. Well the Christians must have added that to the book of Isaiah after the time of Jesus because it fits the story of him perfectly! A complete copy of the book of Isaiah was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls dated 100 years before Christ. Find someone from history other than Jesus that fits Isaiah 53 and we will put the whole thing to rest. Problem is, to fit it would have to be someone who died for the sins of the world and was then raised from the dead. So your search shouldn't be too hard 😂😂😂
…or the anonymous folks that wrote the New Testament were familiar with the Book of Isaiah and simply wove it into their narrative to ‘fulfill prophecy’.
@@jamessoltis5407 Would be the most diabolical genius event in all of history. Carried out by some fishermen and ex tax collectors. Carried out for no other motive than getting them all killed at some point. Which would be the opposite of diabolically genius. Plus they were all Jews and already believed in God. Perpetrating a diabolical lie against God for no other purpose than getting themselves killed, where they believed they would then have to stand before God and be judged and condemned for the worst herasy ever perpetrated by anyone. So in other words......No!
@@bungalobill7941 Yeah? The Gospels’ author(s) are unknown. As such, no one knows whether these unknown authors were tax collectors, fishermen, or even Jewish, considering that the Gospels were written in Koine Greek many decades after the alleged events depicted in them.
@@jamessoltis5407 Paul and all of the Apostles were in agreement with the Gospels. Their orthodoxy of belief remained unshakable. Who wrote the Gospels is of little to no importance. They perfectly correspond with what the Disciples of Jesus believed and taught. Paul said the other Disciples gave him the right hand of fellowship. They were all of one accord in their belief and teaching. Paul also stated that if anyone came preaching some other Gospel let that one be accursed by God.
Any god that demands worship, with the threat of eternal punishment, while simultaneously refusing to demonstrate its own existence is not worthy of your time.
I think this is the most liked comment on this video. So well said! And so incredibly simple! How is it that people don’t get this?
@@misterdeity Thanks. This whole thing just struck me as odd and counterproductive. If anything, this whole “god wants a relationship with you or else!” just sounds like an abusive interaction that nobody talks about.
There are more reports of Elvis being alive than of limbs regrowing.
And of all the Kennedy family.
@@littlebitofhope1489 Except JFK Jr, recently anyways.
@@littlebitofhope1489 Hey, there´s ppl waiting for one of the JFK´s...
LMFAO
@@pefo1674 Actually it's two of them. You can't underestimate stupid.
The laser penguins guarding the ice wall raised Elvis DUH!
Apologetics/politics in a nutshell: Just lie your ass off until they believe you and give you money.
I did 20 years in the navy helping to stop the evil red spread and this is the thanks I get. People who believe it is ok to do anything to win and it is morally ok, using Jesus as their inspiration
(Christian Nation). I am so deeply hurt by the people who I thought I was protecting, but now, I need to be protected from!
Also a Cold Warrior. It's just the way people are. Democracy was a delicate thing even then. Also, did you know that Ronald Reagan ended the Soviet bloc all by himself?
@@rocksnot952 that’s good!!!!
Excellent video as always! Thanks buddy for the work you do
my parents were spiritualists, so i've had the advantage of never trusting anyone my whole life.
"We've arranged a society based on science and technology in which nobody understands anything about science and technology.
And this combustible mixture of ignorance and power sooner or later is going to blow up in our faces."
~Carl Sagan,
I studied nuclear close calls. _Major_ creepification factor.
"Even if there is a one in a million chance that this magical feather can make me fly, I will lower the epistemic bar."
- William Lane Dumbo
But what about the moral feather that is totally objective of course
The similarities between religion, conspiracy theories, and Trumpism are great, and fully expected given that it's all just human psychology on display. Unfortunately, when people believe what they want to believe, rather than what the evidence supports, the consequences are never good.
especially for those that don't "believe as they do" 🤯
"Fragile" by Yes - my all time favorite by them. Thanks, Mr. D. Another spot-on take regarding my fave quote by Mr. Hitchens: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
When I was young, I was nuts about Tales From Topographic Oceans and Close To The Edge. All these years later, it's Fragile that holds up and is clearly their masterpiece!
@@misterdeity Agreed.
Brian why only 69K subscribers? This is a crime against humanity. My only dislike is that this channel should have more subs. I'll have to spread the word even more then...till then keep up the great work.
People prefer a good lie over the truth just look at the republican party at this point resistance seems feudal.
@@watson5551 , 1st I love what you did with "feudal" and futile. Second sometimes people prefer the lie just cause it feels better. Like telling a child the Dog went to a farm upstate (instead of the dog pushing up daisies). Self delusion and avoiding the often harsh truth of reality is most common (sadly).
If I wasn't on public assistance and near eviction I would tithe every penny I could muster to keep you up and running brother. All laughs, love and respect to you, your heart and your dedication to making stellar content for the likes of me...
Thanks!
That is so sweet!!! I’m so loved. Hang in there! More is on the way!
Roughly half of all the discussions I've had with christians about their invisible and silent deity ended up with their final claim being, "I believe in god, and you can't prove he doesn't exist..." To which my frequent response was, "And if I believe in centaurs, can you prove they don't exist?" Some never answered me, but SOME actually tried to respond in the affirmative---until they realized the fallacy I'd revealed in their claim. So the concrete fact remains that NO ONE can prove ANYTHING either does---or doesn't---exist when there's no conclusive evidence to back up either claim.
All these years I’ve been thinking it was sock demon stealing my socks from the dryer. But Centaurs are just as likely. I can’t believe I didn’t think of it until now!
@@misterdeity 😆
Bravo Sir.
I told a south american devout catholic that when I was young I figured out that Jesus was nothing more than just another Santa. Completely unironically she told me "but Santa is just a story" huh.
"That's my point...."
_I don't want to believe; I want to _*_KNOW._*
-- Carl Sagan
Says it all, don't it?
I’ve never met a single person who believes in a religion based on faith. They all think they have strong evidence. But that never stops them from insisting I believe (and pay tithing) based on faith and hope it proves out.
That’s probably been the most surprising thing about religion, after stepping back to look at it from the outside, is how often claims are treated as evidence. Scripture, testimony and beliefs were these absolutes that made god “real”. Except, lots of different people held opposite beliefs and still used the exact same “evidence”. Something definitely doesn’t work here. I think a Hitchens quote sums religion up best: they can’t all be right, but they can all be wrong.
testimony and scripture (which is just written testimony) ARE evidence. They may not be very good evidence, but they meet the definition of the term, ie, tending to prove or disprove a proposition. Some claims are evidence, and some aren't. There's a lot of confusion on these terms that comes from dumbing them down for public consumption.
@@scambammer6102 the bible is the CLAIM
@@kellydalstok8900 Nope. The Bible is evidence. It contains many many claims. Some of them are even true.
If I say that I can sprint around the earth in 30 seconds, my statement is both a claim and evidence of that claim. It isn't very good evidence, and you would be wise to disbelieve it, but it is still evidence. It would even be admissible in court. But if I make a claim that I cannot know is true, that statement is just a claim, and not evidence. It would be excluded from evidence due to lack of foundation.
@@scambammer6102 Aside from the legit seven letter of Paul, we don’t have anything even close to testimony. The gospels are anonymously written by third-hand… or twenty-hand sources(?). Who knows?!!! That’s not evidence. Only evidence that someone made a claim at some point… decades later. Give me any situation in which that would qualify as evidence.
@@misterdeity Historical analysis often relies on anonymous sources. The term “evidence” does not entail any degree of reliability. It only requires that a statement tends to prove or disprove a proposition. There are many statements in the Bible that do not meet that definition, because they are vague, inconsistent or unintelligible; but there are many statements that do meet that definition, and there has been a lot of scholarly work trying to determine the historical accuracy of various Biblical passages. The fact that Biblical accounts are often wrong (probably) doesn’t mean that they aren’t evidence; it just means they are ultimately not persuasive. The losing party in a trial presents evidence, the jury just doesn’t believe them. BTW I enjoy your channel.
The 'believers' like to claim belief without evidence is the test itself. But then every time someone pops up claiming to be Jesus they demand evidence themselves. Good times. Also, 'Testify' blocked me now. On a roll...
When they don’t if someone asks too hard questions?
@@valivali8104 Can you clarify that please? Not sure what you are asking.
@@avi8r66 sorry, it was rhetoric about how Testify blocked you.
SOSDD For those who when critiqued perceive bullying and persecution....
Sad tykes haven't grown up...
@@valivali8104 I try to be careful not to be blatantly rude and trollish. Stick to the arguments, present evidence, etc. But, they like their echo chambers and dissenting voices are not welcome.
I wish I could press the like button several dozen times.
I have encountered way too many people who both claim they follow evidence AND tell me, with respect to certain beliefs they hold, that there is NOTHING I could present to them that would change their mind. They are completely blind to the contradiction.
1:02 Yes. Yes! YES!! A very 'Roundabout' reference, there Bri-Bri. And a direct one, too - no 'Long Distance Run Around's here. 'All Good People' love your cunning linguistics. Howe ever do you do it, Squire?
Bill McDonald Bravo! Nicely done!
@@mattfoley6082 I spent time in the punitentiary.
Extra bonus pun-points if you can somehow work "Cans and Brahms" into that.
@@c.a.t.732 I'll let you figure that out. "Your Move". . .
Puns are the bestest way to set the "Mood For A Day" don't y'all think?
For what it's worth:
"The human mind is programmed for survival, not for truth." -- John N. Gray.
So true!!!
@@misterdeity There are even more truly strange and deeply unsettling implications if some thinking along these lines is correct. Check out Donald Hoffman: Reality is an Illusion - How Evolution Hid the Truth on the Lex Fridman Podcast
"You cannot reason someone out of something he or she or it was not reasoned into."
Wayne Gretsky
The great one said that?
Terry Pratchett wrote a book called Small Gods. It give a great insight into the machinations of religions.
I listened to The Atheist Experience today. There was a guy arguing that since the Bible says that animals came from the sea or whatever, it's talking about evolution and therefore true. And despite the fact that it just plum forgot to mention the millions of years that came before, made plants before the sun, made the stars at a different time to the time he made the sun, a star and lots of other things like that, he genuinely seemed convinced that this was some very powerful argument. I was actually surprised by how good he thought this bad argument was and I've heard it all. He really seemed to think the hosts should go "Oh wow. I just don't know how to respond to that. I, I, don't,... My GOD What have I been doing? Please forgive me Lord!" 😭😭😭😭
It's a hell of a thing religion. It seems to hijack your perception and ramps up your bias to eleven. I just don't know how that happens. These people walk around all day with a head full of garbage completely convinced it's gold plated diamonds. With head held high they confidently open their mouth and shit comes out and falls on the floor, only for them to point to it with beaming pride. It's genuinely astounding.
Love u Brian.....your Videos are amongst the BEST on Funny and Challenging current topics
Well now, I love you too! Call me.
@@misterdeity if I did .... What might happen, ya silver Fox ...
@@misterdeity I'm up for pretty much anything....lol
Claims are evidence, but questions are not arguments. Thanks, Cam.
TY Mister!!! Love you ALWAYS💗💗💗💗
You're the one person I'd attempt to be 'straight' for ‐ THATS how much I L♡VE your GLORIOUS BRAINS!!
From Indy100:
As Steve Bannon entered the U.S. District Court House for his trial regarding his refusal to comply with subpoenas from the House Select Committee's January 6th investigation he sported his notorious *three shirt fashion choice.*
Despite the fact that it was 90°F in Washington D.C. on Tuesday, one shirt is just not enough for the former White House chief strategist under Donald Trump,
Bannon, 68, wore a *black t-shirt, purple button-down, and a dark grey button-down all fitted underneath a dark grey blazer.*
The perfect outfit for defending yourself on two counts of criminal contempt of Congress charges.
Hearsay is, essentially, the practice of saying: I believe X because I know a guy who says that X is true because he also knows a guy who says X is true because he knows a gal who read a book that says X is true, and she believed what the book said. Why? Because.
That is not evidence.
And here comes Cameron “I wear my cap backwards” Bertuzzi to say yes, hearsay is evidence.
Twisting the definition of evidence indeed.
I just love how your videos are followed by religious commercials! Bahaha
That has got to be the most idiotic placement ever, unless you count the "Epoch TImes" pitch which preceded my viewing
It is beyond disturbing how so many people continue to vehemently support Donald Trump despite all that's come out.
Right?!!! Who are these fucking people?!!!
Taking beliefs to be facts, without evidence, has been a long-term problem. This intellectual sloppiness appears to be based upon the extremely sloppy reasoning of religious institutions. Religious leaders have always been aware of the fact that they have no supporting evidence. To them, beliefs are facts, even though beliefs aren't facts. That's also why there are so many different religious groups...each religious leader knows that the opposition has no evidence to fight them with.
I've got to try to convince someone of something without evidence or witnesses. I guess it really does work!
Works for the far right. It's no coincidence that people who have joined the Q-cult are also very religious. When people ask what harm it does for people believe in a god... this is the harm! When your epistemology is so weak that anecdotal evidence outweighs empirical evidence, you are causing harm to yourself and others!
I have no evidence that Cam's haircut is crap, I just believe it to be so.....
I appreciate the way your work usually cheers me up.
Awww! That cheers ME up!!! Thanks.
Every time I see news about humanity getting closer to crossing the 1.5C increase in temperature boundary, and the ever increasing damage wrought by climate change, the more I fear your conclusion is correct: human civilization as we know it is likely doomed. And I’m grateful that neither of our daughters wants to have children. 😢
Trump will be reinstated on
-Jan. 20, 2021-
-March 4, 2021-
-July 4, 2021-
-Aug. 13, 2021-
-Thanksgiving 2021-
-Dec. 31, 2021-
-Aug. 21, 2022-
To be announced after more thoughts and prayers and hits off my crack pipe.
Love in Christ,
Mike Lindell
Excellent points, wonderfully conveyed. As always! 😁
Are you listening Cam? Didn't think so.....
I despair over folks who claim they witnessed some event because they saw it on television.
Or some UA-cam clip, I guess.
I can no longer tell if I've witnessed your comment or not... or done so indirectly... or am imagining all y'all...
@@parkjammer I've had a "follower" make a quite detailed psychoanalytic profile, including theories on my parentage, based on nothing but one of my comments.
I saw the towers fall on 9/11, and Trump's inauguration, and the insurrection on Jan 6th, and the space shuttle Atlantis' last launch and landing (and it's return piggyback flight to KSC) all on television.
Am I mistaken?
or did you mean something different?
@@tracewallace23 You are correct. You saw it on television. For example, only two people witnessed the first moon landing and millions watched parts of it on television. One guy very close to the event only heard about it on the radio.
They who disregard reality are they who are most likely to condemn or forsake it. Then, when it is all burning to ash will look up and say with glee in their eye: See, I told you so! The rapture is here upon us! Convert before it's too late! There is still ti..(💥BANG💥)...what kind of bang I wonder what the reader imagined?🤪
...though I wonder how many thought of the "Gnab Gib"....as Douglass Adam's might have?
I don't understand why people are so eager to prove to the whole world that they are stupid. This guy got dead and after a while he got better and a bit after that he flew up into the sky to live with his daddy which was also him? Bloody insanity, yet drongos all over the world think this is reasonable. It's bloody well *_NOT!!!_*
Then there's all the YEC's who seem to think evidence has a plural form. They want to look at the 'evidences' for creation. Even if they can't come up with one.
Well said my friend!
It’s a theistic three-card Monte; they keep distracting believers with fast talk and fancy moves, while taking their money. Meanwhile, the God isn’t even there.
When commenting on a recent post involving vaccines, i speculated that humanity was devolving before my eyes, and our extinction was inevitable.
loved the video Brian👍 and the confetti was a nice touch😎
It is all exacerbated by social media, which acts as a stupidity amplifier with positive feedback. Which may answer Fermi's question. Social media is the great filter that wipes out technological civilizations.
Hi love! I fear you're right. And here, I guess because I'm old, I was awed and excited about the learning aspect of social media, and have learned much. But from all studies, books, (still my favorites!) are, by far, the best way the brain learns and retains that learning. They think must digest it differently. On line can be too much too fast or something. Love to keep running into you, though! And your great comments!💫🤩😍😘🥰✌
@@laurajarrell6187 Hi Laura. I, too, was excited when the internet appeared. That excitement wore off when I saw that stupid people used it to say stupid things.
misterdeity is an evidence supremacist! it’s the way of the mister; bkd works in misterious ways, therefore he is rational in requiring the modern scientific definition of evidence to support supernatural claims. Excellent and superbly entertaining, while providing indispensable information.
Thanks
A fine silver hammer bashing, well done sir!
The further question it spurs is does such a species demonstrate it *deserves* to be long for this world. The answer is, of course, not so long as it puts zero effort into demonstrably being worthwhile. And that has been a historic failure.
#doomed!
If someone has any kind of apocalyptic eschatology, call me prejudiced but I'd prefer they be kept away from nukes. And yes, that means away from the White House too.
I don't do Tweets or Instagram or WhatsApp or TikTok and I'm not entirely sure what a 'hashtag' is, but I pretty much agree with Mr Dalton's take on the dangers of evidence-free decision making. This is an enormous problem in the USA - less so over here in the UK but we're not entirely immune from it (hashtag Brexit... is that how it works?). But it's not just the religious who are affected by this serious cognitive dysfunction and it seems to me that a great many secular Yanks are also unwilling to face up to the existential threat mentioned towards the end of this video. This inability to confront reality is not necessarily based on religious indoctrination into a particular greed or denomination, but is the result of 'religious thinking' which drives people to adopt all sorts of evidence-free positions and assumptions. "Global warming and Climate Change will be solved by Good ol' American Know How' is a common one that even many atheists have repeated, because they are unwilling to accept or admit that there is no 'solution' and that it is probable that even our mere survival is dependent on changes in political and economic systems, lifestyles, and levels of consumption that many people are just not willing to contemplate... and therefore they feel more comfortable in parroting ludicrous and idiotic reassurances that have no basis in science and are not grounded on any kind of good evidence.
I speak to a Christian each week about her beliefs and mine, our last conversation she said that 'you cant change my mind' I replied with well my mind can change, with evidence, dont you think everyones should?! I need physical demonstrable evidence for a gods existence, a holy book written 2000 years ago just wont do it. She then came out with her relationship with god is as real to her as her talking to me there and then. Obviously this was a very powerful statement, first I thought wow?! How many ways we can prove she is talking to me there and then compared to how many ways we can test her relationship with with her god, the evidence for both cant be compared at all. It was such a dishonest thing she said. Ill be speaking to her next week and would love to continue, take further that claim she made as it ended shortly after with what she said, she is not a young earth creationist so goes with science and the big bang theory, so doesnt take the bible literally on the age of the earth, I pointed out what method does she use to reject certain parts of the bible. it's quite messed up on what she takes literally of the bible. Sometimes she has changed the conversation when it clearly doesnt make sense, the cognitive dissonance in her beliefs etc. Any suggestions on how you would go about exploring that claim she made about her relationship with god? Thanks guys.
This crap destroyed one of the greatest things in history:
Demons and Wizards.
From "Tear Down the Wall" to "Build the Wall". How far Schaffer fell.
That picture of Steve Bannon looks like an old non-functioning alcoholic/addict version of Chum-Lee telling you that he paid you back that money he owed you (he didn't) while trying to convince you to "loan" him more money (definitely not for drugs and alcohol like last time), for a job interview, court date, new phone, to help his sick mother, tent, etc.🙄
🤣🤣
Now we're talking - there's nothing like a heaping dollop of existential dread. And this is pure, Grade A dread, not watered down with gawds and angels, demons and devils - it's the good stuff.
And the best part of this dread? There isn't a respawn.
I subscribe to this channel but somehow I missed this video last year. It sums up the existential danger posed by irrational and unjustified belief held by those for whom 'evidence' is a meaningless concept quite well, but this dangerous mindset is even more widespread and pervasive than Mr Dalton implies, and sadly not confined just to the overtly religious. What I would call 'Religious Thinking' can be found among the non-religious as well - not to anything like the same extent perhaps, but depressingly often nonetheless. For example, I have a friend who is convinced that our former Prime Minister, the late Ted Heath, was one of a number of powerful political figures and members of our ruling class who were involved in a paedophile ring, abusing young boys, and even murdering one who became un-cooperative (sound familiar?) decades ago. These allegations originated in the 1980s and have hung around for years, getting intermixed with a similar scandal involving political figures in Northern Ireland and a children's home there.
However, it turned out that there was no good evidence for most of these allegations (although the Northern Irish scandal did seem to have some basis in reality) and no real evidence that our former Tory Prime Minister was an abusive paedophile. But my friend hated Ted Heath so much, hated everything that he stood for, hated his political party, and hated the class whose interests Ted Heath served that he convinced himself that these allegations must be true... because these people were so vile that they were capable of anything.
My friend is an intelligent and thoughtful man, and an atheist, but in this instance he fell victim to 'Religious Thinking'... convincing himself to believe something because he wanted to believe it. By the same token there are vast numbers of people, especially in the developed countries of the world, who want to believe that we can do something effective to halt, or to limit the damage caused by, Global Warming and Climate Change WITHOUT making drastic changes to our lifestyles, our economic system, or to our levels of personal consumption. This is yet another example of 'Religious Thinking' and whilst it is especially prevalent among people who are actually religious, it can also be found amongst a great many secular people and those who profess no religious adherence at all.
These are dangerous times.
#downer But super honest, thank you for your work.
Taking beliefs to be facts has been evolutionarily advantageous for millions of years. You hear there's something in the woods that eats children, so you don't take your children in the woods. It doesn't take too many "yes, it turns out *that* wolf was real" for it to be advantageous. Since there was no reason for fellow tribe-members to lie about dangers, listening to the stories of your elders kept you alive, right up until the days of modern communication a few hundred years ago. This isn't something we're going to solve in our lifetimes, but it's useful to keep discussing it or it won't ever get better.
That sure was bleak. Sort of drives the wit and charm right out of my commenting.
0:27 I see what you did there. LOL
Well, Cameron believes that claims are evidence so its not a surprise to me.
"C'mon and join us in the ignorant and lazy end of the gene pool!"
For someone who has managed to age... pretty _terribly,_ bannon has a "young" voice.
Dude sounds like a "bro bro"...
Do you have evidence that I promote an evidence based life? Just assuming I have said view is presumptuous and a fallacy!
When people have faith, reason is not an option. Go back to the Middle ages and the belief in holy relics. So many people owned pieces of "The True Cross" that you could have built the ark with them.
Flash forward to today and you get people electing Boebert who doesn't believe in separation of church and state, that it is in the Constitution.
How about the keeping of remains, often with a statue or other art, they pray to, that is allegedly of “saints?”
There are churches all over the world, which claim to have a bone, skull, etc. of a saint, prophet, etc.
The only evidence that it’s the actual person, is because generations have been told it was true.
Hearsay, repeated for centuries becomes myth, legend snd even historical evidence for nearly every organized religion.
I also wonder how Greg Locke, as well as others, keep tax exempt status, even though they record themselves telling the congregation that any democrat is a demon?
Not welcome in the church, snd he’ll yell for them to “get out!”
He also repeats that voting for any democrat is evil, snd any democrat is a demon by default. He’s not even talking metaphorically, as he calls people he worked with demons, once they had a disagreement with him.
I haven’t heard of any large church getting it’s tax exempt status taken for violating separation of church and state, since the 90’s.
Who should decide what constitutes good evidence for a god? I'll let any Xian! Let them say what they would accept as definitive proof FOR - or, short of that, rational justification for belief IN - a god _other than theirs_ and we'll set that as the standard.
Straight from Charlie Sheen's "Winning for Losers" handbook. 🤮
to a theist, ASSertions apparently count as evidence.
#ThreePenSteve
#downer is right...... In your next video, could you perhaps add something hopeful? Or is that not even possible at this point?
A Gnostic Gospel, “The True Story,” dating from the mid-4th century, clearly states that when Jesus rose from the dead, He did so with a WOODEN LEG! Mary Magdalene saw it, and the Apostle Thomas knelt down and touched it with his own hand, and exclaimed in a loud voice, “My lord! A WOODEN LEG.” So, nyahhh to you, buddy!
But where did it come from? (The wooden leg, I mean, not the gospel.)
@@c.augustin Unfortunately only a few fragments of the original 4th Century parchment survive, none of which describe the loss of His Original Leg, but scholars have proposed that it was burned off by the infernal fires when “He descended into Hell” after His burial. A few curious lines from the last page of the manuscript indicate that when He ascended into Heaven, the disciples who were waving goodbye saw a wooden leg “fall from the Sky, and Thomas got a bump on his head.” Replaced, one assumes, by a “Spiritual Leg. 🦵🦿🍗
But that translation is controversial.
It's true. This channel does assert stuff Without Evidence all the time.
If you mean by 'this channel', Mr. Deity, your name got misspelled. It should be crayon, not can. If you mean cams' then my apologies. 🥰✌
...its strange that you _still_ show up around here.
#dothprotesttoomuch
I wonder sometimes if I see these deficiencies in the MAGA crowd more easily than I see them in myself. E.g., do I accept reports that support my narrative without checking them out? Probably so. I am going to try to check myself on that going forward.
That's a good policy. What helps is to find resources which have a good track record of truth-telling. Or when there are very specific issues, checking reliable fact-checking websites with a good track record - like Snopes, etc... And yes, a record of truth-telling can be determined. If not, we're all in trouble.
the only thing “minimal” i want in my object of obsession is her clothing.
Isaiah 53
Speaks of one who will come and take the sins of the people upon himself, be killed in the process, and live again to God's glory. Sounds exactly like Jesus.
Well the Christians must have added that to the book of Isaiah after the time of Jesus because it fits the story of him perfectly!
A complete copy of the book of Isaiah was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls dated 100 years before Christ.
Find someone from history other than Jesus that fits Isaiah 53 and we will put the whole thing to rest.
Problem is, to fit it would have to be someone who died for the sins of the world and was then raised from the dead.
So your search shouldn't be too hard 😂😂😂
…or the anonymous folks that wrote the New Testament were familiar with the Book of Isaiah and simply wove it into their narrative to ‘fulfill prophecy’.
@@jamessoltis5407 Would be the most diabolical genius event in all of history. Carried out by some fishermen and ex tax collectors. Carried out for no other motive than getting them all killed at some point. Which would be the opposite of diabolically genius.
Plus they were all Jews and already believed in God. Perpetrating a diabolical lie against God for no other purpose than getting themselves killed, where they believed they would then have to stand before God and be judged and condemned for the worst herasy ever perpetrated by anyone.
So in other words......No!
@@bungalobill7941 Yeah? The Gospels’ author(s) are unknown. As such, no one knows whether these unknown authors were tax collectors, fishermen, or even Jewish, considering that the Gospels were written in Koine Greek many decades after the alleged events depicted in them.
@@jamessoltis5407 Paul and all of the Apostles were in agreement with the Gospels. Their orthodoxy of belief remained unshakable. Who wrote the Gospels is of little to no importance. They perfectly correspond with what the Disciples of Jesus believed and taught.
Paul said the other Disciples gave him the right hand of fellowship. They were all of one accord in their belief and teaching. Paul also stated that if anyone came preaching some other Gospel let that one be accursed by God.