There's Lenovo Duet 5 as well with OLED panel. It's great to finally have some options for OLED tablet hybrid. I was thinking of getting Ipad Pro and these hybrid might just changed my mind.
Dear Dave, I really admire your work and love your videos, one thing that I wanna want from you is that could you please attach your wallpapers used in your videos, I really love these kind of minimilistic wallpaper, you won't believe but I still use your oneplus 7 pro and google pixel 5 (turquoise colour) wallpaper in my android. So could you please attach a link in your description box of the wallpapers you use in thumbnail (laptop and mobile).
The thing is, the Surface products are great. They look amazing, and their performance is also great. But at that price point, you can get a really good full-fledged Laptop. And if you're an illustrator, you can spend a little bit more on a new pen tab. A little inconvenient if you want to draw when you travel, but it saves you a lot of money.
I'm pretty sure thats the point of surface products. It's a niche product for people who need the most powerful tablet for productivity while having little or no compromise on portability for travel and stuff.
@@BortaMaga I understand that, but it's just way too over-priced. I feel like most of the people who need to do that already have an iPad or something, probably not the latest one, but sufficient enough.
@@TheRMSAndre1 That one I can agree with. Buying the latest iPad is never worth it. But 2 generations behind is still pretty fucking solid compared to others tho.
@@virus2339 that's the thing, iPad is not sufficient for optimal productivity for some people. Apple had the opportunity to have it run mac apps since they run on ARM now (both ipad pro and mac use the same chip), but Apple is Apple. I do agree it is overpriced for an average user, but its cheaper alternatives including the Surface Go lineup leave too much to be desired.
That Asus kickstand looks like it allows you to use it in vertical orientation as well as horizontal. That's quite cool. And that price is really, really good. Nice :)
Honestly, when I plan on buying something like this, then I am not interested in how the performance is now, but how it will be 3-5 years from now. That's harder to evaluate, but more important to me. I don't buy new tech products every year. So if the Surface lasts me double the time of the Asus, I can make a fair comparison. What is the expected lifecycle of these products?
That’s the problem with most reviewers. 90% of people don’t update every year. If you do buy new tech every year, lower end is fine, as most devices are released to work for at least one year. But flagship devices like this should work well for at least 3 years. Or more. In defence of the surface. I recently bought a second hand surface pro 2 for very cheap ($100). Just for curiosity. Still had the Wacom EMR stylus which is tech they update very rarely as it’s just that good. I was surprised how good it runs. I can still run clip studio ex and sketchbook pro and the battery on the go lasts an easy 3 hours. Which for a product that came out in 2012 is amazing. So I’m actually considering getting the new 8, as they have improved the pen now, as the replacement on the surface pro 3 was trash. And I’m pretty confident performance and design will be pretty stable for a few years.
It’s a valid point to consider. I bought a Surface Pro 6 which has a better cpu than this Asus one. Normally it’s more than enough for me, but when I’m running a lesson on Zoom, recording the lesson on my computer, annotating large pdf documents, screen sharing that content, and keeping multiple Google docs/sheets tabs open while wirelessly Miracasting to my classroom TV… even the Pro 6 starts chugging at times. This Asus looks like it would have no hope of keeping up. And I originally never thought I would do something as demanding on my device as this when I originally bought it. Now I’m regretting not splurging for the i7 model with more RAM.
im still running surface pro (sp) 4 since 2017 and sp 6 since 2019. sp 6 is with i7, 16gb ram, 512gb ssd. and i was using the devices to prepare myself on the way to office and back (while commuting). so i used those devices a lot outside and inside, as long as i have a roof over my head (only if its raining, roof yes but no lateral walls like in trainstations waiting on the platform for the train).
I must admit, the Asus is quite compelling. I've actively avoided these Windows tablet devices as all seem to be a poor value proposition for my use case. I may be swayed if these sort of devices start to see some real competition in terms of the value proposition. That said, I couldn't be happier with my XPS 2in1 - seems to strike the right balance for me as someone who makes use of the traditional laptop form factor and occasionally flips the screen to either tablet or tent mode. I know my device is at the upper end of the market here but I've seen quite good 2in1 options from Dell and and Lenovo that hit the value sweet spot in my opinion.
@@Sponsi_PL I agree in a sense but I use it as a laptop mostly but I do find the ability to fold the hinge a full 180° very useful at times if I will just be using the touch screen. Works for me as I don't have much use for a dedicated tablet.
ASUS makes great products at good prices, got my daughter a $800 ROG gaming laptop that she loves. With that said, the Surface product is still going to look and feel far more premium much like a Mac does. Its the details and small things that add up to being worth the price.
I am using MS surface for last 4 years without any issues . So, I will go with double the price of surface rather than the price of laptop which quality will start declining and then will not last longer . Focus should be on total cost of ownership, not initial price that you pay
Research that I have read recently suggests that keyboards setup with a negative rake (sloping down and away from you) so that your wrists and hands can be more inline than bent may have better benefits.
It would be amazing! I would love to pick one up if it was $600. Just wish apple would allow the new m1 ipads to run some sort of hybrid mac os. That would be the perfect 2 in 1.
@@tanaykapadia2301 arguably its not. I have neither the time nor care to do the research or run the numbers (thus arguably) but they could potentially boost sales and improve their image by allowing the iPad lines to run macOS or a hybrid of iPadOS and MacOS or just straight up both and allow you to switch between them (I HATE apple and would dip over a thousand for that because that's my dream product (one that lets me seamlessly make the best of mobile and desktop devices)). They could also REALLY shake up the market by throwing such a product on the line. The problem with apple is that they're complacent (not nearly as much so as Microsoft in the past though) and fail to make the most of their properties or capitalize on their products. A lot of their decisions that seemingly benefit the business are most likely going to bite them in the long run or sacrifice potential growth (not switching to USB-C on their phones for example). Again, I haven't done the research or run the numbers, but I find it hard to believe devasting the market with that god tier product wouldn't be better for business (and because its apple, everyone would know about it instantly and flock to it way more than Microsoft and their surface line).
@@vullord666 Apple has done their research and probably feel that getting macOS to work with touch would be as disastrous as when MS did it with W8. They understand that if they did it well it would still probably lead to compromises and issues so they are going the other route of getting the best tablet and best laptop. You can get a MB Air and iPad Air for a similar price to the base SP8 and having tried a SP6/7 and compared to having a MB Air/iPad Pro combo, I much prefer the latter. Even MS has thrown in the towel, by now running Android apps to fill the void of missing tablet apps. I am sure if MS could do it all over again, they would have bought Android when they had the chance and gone the Apple route with a dedicated mobileOS and make them work well together. If you think Apple would ever make the bad mistake MS made then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Apple got this right and history has stamped that as a massive win as Surface Pro sales fall and iPad revenue increased 68% last year!
Surface pro 8 is the dream device. Except for LTE that is limited to business user, I think it is perfect. With the thunderbolt, we can even attach an external GPU use it like a desktop computer. But damn, it's expensive. Hopefully there will be more manufacturers that follow surface.
I used to be angry at Microsoft not including the keyboard, but I kinda get it now. The idea behind it is more about upgrading. The designs won’t change much, and the past model the accessory compatibility was quite good. So when you need to upgrade to a surface pro 9 or 12 later you can just buy the tablet and not have to worry about the keyboard and pen.
First of all I love Asus' new OLED commitment it's the absolute right thing to do. But. I think you could also have compared it with the Surface Go (m3/i3). The features, price and performance are much more similar. What you would gain would be the bigger OLED panel.. and that's sadly it. What you would loose is Windows Hello support, a backlit keyboard and a build-in kickstand. Those daily life things. That makes it a harder comparison in my mind. The OLED panel is the big deal here but you get a "bad" computer with it. :/ I will still consider it when it gets availible in my region. And I hope they make a higher-end version that you can really compare with the Surface Pro in the future. Cuz damn I love OLED :(
That's exactly what I thought, the Surface pendant would be the Go and not the Pro - performance wise. The screen is great, but for me the performance is just too low.
The Surface Go is only 10.5 inches and clearly too small for many workflows or usage. They are def not the same and this was the right comparison. For many users with a workload not needing the power, the ASUS is a much better choice and hopefully will save many people wasted money upgrading to the SP8, which is overpriced and extremely poor value. This is the first of many much cheaper "slate" devices coming due to cheap OLED displays now being widely available so it will make the Surface Pro struggle to sell in the consumer and education market as we see much better value alternatives.
@@andyH_England Yeah. I said the Go is smaller and the Slate is bigger in my third sentence. I have a Go and I have it plugged up with a projector and a mouse and keyboard writing this comment. I can tell you, the struggles lie within the performance and not the size of the device. I think the SP8 is priced about 200$ too high. It's the same price as the big iPad Pro and that is what MS is seeing as the main competitor for the SP8. So I get where they are coming from with the price. I wouldn't say it's "extremly poor" value (that would be the Surface Lapotop Studio) as it still is a great device but it surely is not "good" value atm. But they'll get cheaper as they always do. And for the size differences to the Go... I made the calculations because I was curious (3:2 vs. 16:9). You'll loose 1,6cm or 0.7 inches in display size height. And a lot more in width. That is no world changing difference. Especially for office work and browsing. But if you mostly want to consume media there is no choice here. Asus Slate it is. Although one could still argue about how much a windows tablet is good for consuming media. I really hope you are right with 'many much cheaper slate devices with oled coming' because I'd love to replace my Go with an OLED device THAT IS MORE POWERFULL. :P
The “good” thing about surface is that even though their price tags are really high, they go on sale frequently and often at 20-30% discount. And their resale value is also not that great, so the secondhand market might be a good place for people who really want a surface but don’t want to pay high price for them. I had a surface pro 4 back in college and it was a great portable machine. I used it a for illustrations, animation and even 3D stuff. (I pushed it a bit too much) The ability to use all windows software instead of just apps was great. I sold it eventually and got myself a laptop with discrete graphic cards, but I did enjoy my surface a lot!
The Surface Pro Line of devices were never about affordability. They always were, and still mostly are, the "guiding lights" for other windows OEMs. They can make the products cheaper, but then that would not go down well with the OEM partners. It's also better this way for the consumers.
Can you please do a SP8 w/ GPU and screen vs external display video with a mid tier or upper mid tier GPU in a case? I know there are vids like this out there already but I've been watching your videos for a long time and I really think that your content is very premium and accurate. I am not a fan of the competitor in this video. I really like the Surface ecosystem of accessories and the whole Surface Connect options. Also, I am extremely biased in favor of the MS keyboards. I cannot stand cheap keyboards and feel like MS keyboards are exceptional, at least for my taste.
I recently got my iPad Air and I was like “Maybe I should return it and get this Asus tablet” until you mentioned the performance. Having an OLED display would be so nice though!
The battery life is issue is an intel driver. If you manually update your intel drivers it allows for adaptive refresh rate for the new surface products which fixes the poor battery issues from 120hz setting.
This should be through the update process as many users are reluctant to update from a third party business, especially in Enterprise or business. Until it has been made available in the update process this remains an issue with the SP8.
@@andyH_England Yep, I don't know why it's taking forever for it to roll out via microsoft windows update because this feature is a BIG DEAL for the surface devices. In my opinion it should have shipped with the device.
Pretty bad fish hooks on the lines from the Asus pen, that'd drive an illustrator up the wall to work with. Better than no tablet maybe? but for that price you could get a second hand ipad and pen and be happier.
Always loved your contents. Reviewing like actual common consumer, and not forgetting the details too for enthusiasts. Adding your personal thoughts and preferences makes it even better. Keep up the good work dave. Respect from your indonesian fan
I'm surprised there's very few product that imitate the surface. The convenience of having a tablet and a pen is surprisingly welcome if you're drawing or just want media consumption but at some point needed a full laptop.
Even though it's cheaper, there's more to be desired. Like better processor, 120hz and better pen. I think something in the middle for $1000 would be ideal.
I wouldn't trust the Pentium processor to keep up. I have a 11th gen i5 Dell Latitude for work, and when used as a workstation. I work in a "corporate HQ" type role, so no heavy video editing or anything intensive. Just have lots of MS office/browser based oracle, power bi etc. type windows and tabs open. Even then its barely enough to run everything smoothly.
When I bought my Surface Pro 7 MS had a bundle going that threw in the keyboard. Hopefully at some point this year the same thing will happen with the 8.
Nice review, anyhow for 600USD, I would top up a little bit and go for the Surface Pro 7. It's on sale everywhere around maybe USD900+ with keyboard+pen bundles. Was expecting more from Asus but end up a little dissapointed, especially only at 60hz FHD. Guess I just have to wait for Surface Pro 8 to launch locally in my country
Surface pro is always good. I have one I7 512gb version. Not sure what year but this shit can run GTA V on High, OW on high and it's fkn amazing. No fan model too. I don't game on it but tried it out because I was curious. Not disappointed
The problem with budget tech products for me is always resale value. Have fun getting anything for an unpopular device once you want to upgrade or switch. That’s why Apple products especially have higher value than people think. I bought a used iPad Pro, used it for 6 months and even made a little profit when I sold it because it was so popular.
Not sure I can trust Asus after I bought ZenPad a few years ago and the screen started coming off the back panel. First time I've ever had that happen to a device.
At that price point it would be fair to call it a good device for students, and ASUS has a history of making good value devices for students, it's just rediculous the way Microsoft advertises and prices its stuff, it might make more sense if they just film some superstar celebs casually using it throughout their day like Apple ads
The Surface models are known for screen flickering after a few months, Overheating issues and microsoft support being shocking when it comes to customer service. Even giving some customers refirbished surface pros instead of new ones. Id really love to get one of these but the last few surfaces have been plagued with problems and i just cant trust microsoft service for support anymore.
A BMW won't drive twice as fast as a Volkswagen Golf, it won't be twice as silent or even last twice as long. But it will still cost more than twice the price of a Golf. It's small details, refinments, quality material and and overall satisfaction that you're paying for with this high-end devices. Makes perfect sense for the Surface to cost more than double the price of the Asus. Be that as it may, the Asus looks like a very decent product as well for that price tag.
Hey can you please take a look at the galaxy book odessy. It looks really good on paper and not many people have covered it so needed to decide whether it's worth considering it not. Thanks
The Asus looks like it a twin of the Lenovo Duet 5 Chromebook, even the screen I think is the same screen so actually the Lenovo was first to have a 2 in 1 with an OLED. It is also the same price at msrp of $599 and because the Asus has such a weak processor I think most consumers would be fine with the Lenovo which can price drop as low as $399. Would be fun to see a comparison between the Lenovo and the Asus.
At $600, this is an AWESOME value compared to the surface pro 8. and the new OLED panel is so good for watching videos.
Yes!
There's Lenovo Duet 5 as well with OLED panel. It's great to finally have some options for OLED tablet hybrid. I was thinking of getting Ipad Pro and these hybrid might just changed my mind.
Dear Dave,
I really admire your work and love your videos, one thing that I wanna want from you is that could you please attach your wallpapers used in your videos, I really love these kind of minimilistic wallpaper, you won't believe but I still use your oneplus 7 pro and google pixel 5 (turquoise colour) wallpaper in my android. So could you please attach a link in your description box of the wallpapers you use in thumbnail (laptop and mobile).
💯
How far can you push this tabtop
Asus seems to be going back to its 'roots' (meaning from 10-12 years ago) at being a fair priced/high-value beast manufacturer.
@Pink Panther The product is called Asus Vivobook, so Dave isn't wrong
@Pink Panther Vivobook is a lineup of asus laptops...
@Pink Panther lol what?
@Pink Panther Asus Vivo is one of the lines for Asus, like their entry to midrange stuff
For real. With this, their Zenbooks, Vivobook Pros and the Zephyrus series it seems like ASUS is going all out.
I love the FankieonPC plug. It's great that he's back
The thing is, the Surface products are great. They look amazing, and their performance is also great. But at that price point, you can get a really good full-fledged Laptop. And if you're an illustrator, you can spend a little bit more on a new pen tab. A little inconvenient if you want to draw when you travel, but it saves you a lot of money.
I'm pretty sure thats the point of surface products. It's a niche product for people who need the most powerful tablet for productivity while having little or no compromise on portability for travel and stuff.
@@BortaMaga I understand that, but it's just way too over-priced. I feel like most of the people who need to do that already have an iPad or something, probably not the latest one, but sufficient enough.
Its till worth it when you compare it to ipad pro with that stupid ipados.
@@TheRMSAndre1 That one I can agree with. Buying the latest iPad is never worth it. But 2 generations behind is still pretty fucking solid compared to others tho.
@@virus2339 that's the thing, iPad is not sufficient for optimal productivity for some people. Apple had the opportunity to have it run mac apps since they run on ARM now (both ipad pro and mac use the same chip), but Apple is Apple.
I do agree it is overpriced for an average user, but its cheaper alternatives including the Surface Go lineup leave too much to be desired.
I love these intros. How different shapes and stuff form the logo
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It's optimum pride
Dude, when I saw Pentium, I was like, “are those things still exists”? What a shame.
Sir. That Optimus transforming into your logo. Yes.
That Asus kickstand looks like it allows you to use it in vertical orientation as well as horizontal. That's quite cool. And that price is really, really good. Nice :)
Yes, you can, although you can't really adjust the angle while vertical
Honestly, when I plan on buying something like this, then I am not interested in how the performance is now, but how it will be 3-5 years from now. That's harder to evaluate, but more important to me. I don't buy new tech products every year. So if the Surface lasts me double the time of the Asus, I can make a fair comparison. What is the expected lifecycle of these products?
That’s the problem with most reviewers. 90% of people don’t update every year. If you do buy new tech every year, lower end is fine, as most devices are released to work for at least one year. But flagship devices like this should work well for at least 3 years. Or more.
In defence of the surface. I recently bought a second hand surface pro 2 for very cheap ($100). Just for curiosity. Still had the Wacom EMR stylus which is tech they update very rarely as it’s just that good.
I was surprised how good it runs. I can still run clip studio ex and sketchbook pro and the battery on the go lasts an easy 3 hours. Which for a product that came out in 2012 is amazing.
So I’m actually considering getting the new 8, as they have improved the pen now, as the replacement on the surface pro 3 was trash. And I’m pretty confident performance and design will be pretty stable for a few years.
It’s a valid point to consider. I bought a Surface Pro 6 which has a better cpu than this Asus one. Normally it’s more than enough for me, but when I’m running a lesson on Zoom, recording the lesson on my computer, annotating large pdf documents, screen sharing that content, and keeping multiple Google docs/sheets tabs open while wirelessly Miracasting to my classroom TV… even the Pro 6 starts chugging at times. This Asus looks like it would have no hope of keeping up.
And I originally never thought I would do something as demanding on my device as this when I originally bought it. Now I’m regretting not splurging for the i7 model with more RAM.
yeah, let me just see into the future so that I know exactly what to do before I do it
Mine died in a year, BSOD. Surface Pro 6
im still running surface pro (sp) 4 since 2017 and sp 6 since 2019. sp 6 is with i7, 16gb ram, 512gb ssd.
and i was using the devices to prepare myself on the way to office and back (while commuting). so i used those devices a lot outside and inside, as long as i have a roof over my head (only if its raining, roof yes but no lateral walls like in trainstations waiting on the platform for the train).
I must admit, the Asus is quite compelling. I've actively avoided these Windows tablet devices as all seem to be a poor value proposition for my use case. I may be swayed if these sort of devices start to see some real competition in terms of the value proposition.
That said, I couldn't be happier with my XPS 2in1 - seems to strike the right balance for me as someone who makes use of the traditional laptop form factor and occasionally flips the screen to either tablet or tent mode. I know my device is at the upper end of the market here but I've seen quite good 2in1 options from Dell and and Lenovo that hit the value sweet spot in my opinion.
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It's either a laptop or a tablet. 2in1 seems shitty.
@@Sponsi_PL I agree in a sense but I use it as a laptop mostly but I do find the ability to fold the hinge a full 180° very useful at times if I will just be using the touch screen. Works for me as I don't have much use for a dedicated tablet.
@@Sponsi_PLhilarious!
I guess you'll also have a problem with a photocopier that scans documents and prints too.🙄😒
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ASUS makes great products at good prices, got my daughter a $800 ROG gaming laptop that she loves. With that said, the Surface product is still going to look and feel far more premium much like a Mac does. Its the details and small things that add up to being worth the price.
I am using MS surface for last 4 years without any issues . So, I will go with double the price of surface rather than the price of laptop which quality will start declining and then will not last longer .
Focus should be on total cost of ownership, not initial price that you pay
for that price tag, I am looking for more than just decent performance
Research that I have read recently suggests that keyboards setup with a negative rake (sloping down and away from you) so that your wrists and hands can be more inline than bent may have better benefits.
loved the WPM flex on 3:15
It would be amazing! I would love to pick one up if it was $600. Just wish apple would allow the new m1 ipads to run some sort of hybrid mac os. That would be the perfect 2 in 1.
That's the thing, they want you to buy both their MacBook m1 and their iPad m1
@@Natsukashii1111 Yea its smart from a business perspective, but it fucking sucks
@@tanaykapadia2301 arguably its not. I have neither the time nor care to do the research or run the numbers (thus arguably) but they could potentially boost sales and improve their image by allowing the iPad lines to run macOS or a hybrid of iPadOS and MacOS or just straight up both and allow you to switch between them (I HATE apple and would dip over a thousand for that because that's my dream product (one that lets me seamlessly make the best of mobile and desktop devices)). They could also REALLY shake up the market by throwing such a product on the line. The problem with apple is that they're complacent (not nearly as much so as Microsoft in the past though) and fail to make the most of their properties or capitalize on their products. A lot of their decisions that seemingly benefit the business are most likely going to bite them in the long run or sacrifice potential growth (not switching to USB-C on their phones for example). Again, I haven't done the research or run the numbers, but I find it hard to believe devasting the market with that god tier product wouldn't be better for business (and because its apple, everyone would know about it instantly and flock to it way more than Microsoft and their surface line).
@@vullord666 Apple has done their research and probably feel that getting macOS to work with touch would be as disastrous as when MS did it with W8. They understand that if they did it well it would still probably lead to compromises and issues so they are going the other route of getting the best tablet and best laptop. You can get a MB Air and iPad Air for a similar price to the base SP8 and having tried a SP6/7 and compared to having a MB Air/iPad Pro combo, I much prefer the latter.
Even MS has thrown in the towel, by now running Android apps to fill the void of missing tablet apps. I am sure if MS could do it all over again, they would have bought Android when they had the chance and gone the Apple route with a dedicated mobileOS and make them work well together. If you think Apple would ever make the bad mistake MS made then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Apple got this right and history has stamped that as a massive win as Surface Pro sales fall and iPad revenue increased 68% last year!
@@tanaykapadia2301 Is it? Because I would probably buy one if they did that, but instead I'm not buying the Ipad or the Mac
That Optimus prime intro was sick !!
The Optimus Prime intro is wonderful. I think it is brand new, right? I haven’t seen that in previous videos.
@@盾神京矢 Yeah I think he made it after his Optimus Prime Model unboxing video.
Surface pro 8 is the dream device. Except for LTE that is limited to business user, I think it is perfect. With the thunderbolt, we can even attach an external GPU use it like a desktop computer. But damn, it's expensive. Hopefully there will be more manufacturers that follow surface.
I used to be angry at Microsoft not including the keyboard, but I kinda get it now. The idea behind it is more about upgrading. The designs won’t change much, and the past model the accessory compatibility was quite good. So when you need to upgrade to a surface pro 9 or 12 later you can just buy the tablet and not have to worry about the keyboard and pen.
But... the previous gen keyboards are not compatible Dave said. So, still e-waste.
@@rpheuts that was for the pro x not the pro 7
@@rpheuts it had a good 6 year run though.
it's really hard for me to understand the price of the new surface when I see the performance of m1 ship...
Been avoiding all Spider Man NWH trailers for months now and it had to be the one thing you show
Your intros get better and better
How about comparing it with the TabS7+ (or TabS6 if that's available)?
I can convince myself to pay more for 120hz display, but not for a windows tablet that does not even have the keyboard cover
Just watched you with Lew and now watching you here! Great review 👏👏👏
Thank you for introducing Vivobook Slate! I like it! I wonder if I can sometimes use it as a wacom-like screen tablet mouse.
i love d2d vids man! His videos are just super relaxing and informative.
5:38 I love the new infographics layout and style ❤️🎉💞 Dave you're so good at design and presentation.
First of all I love Asus' new OLED commitment it's the absolute right thing to do. But. I think you could also have compared it with the Surface Go (m3/i3). The features, price and performance are much more similar. What you would gain would be the bigger OLED panel.. and that's sadly it. What you would loose is Windows Hello support, a backlit keyboard and a build-in kickstand. Those daily life things. That makes it a harder comparison in my mind. The OLED panel is the big deal here but you get a "bad" computer with it. :/ I will still consider it when it gets availible in my region. And I hope they make a higher-end version that you can really compare with the Surface Pro in the future. Cuz damn I love OLED :(
That's exactly what I thought, the Surface pendant would be the Go and not the Pro - performance wise.
The screen is great, but for me the performance is just too low.
The Surface Go is only 10.5 inches and clearly too small for many workflows or usage. They are def not the same and this was the right comparison. For many users with a workload not needing the power, the ASUS is a much better choice and hopefully will save many people wasted money upgrading to the SP8, which is overpriced and extremely poor value. This is the first of many much cheaper "slate" devices coming due to cheap OLED displays now being widely available so it will make the Surface Pro struggle to sell in the consumer and education market as we see much better value alternatives.
@@andyH_England Yeah. I said the Go is smaller and the Slate is bigger in my third sentence. I have a Go and I have it plugged up with a projector and a mouse and keyboard writing this comment. I can tell you, the struggles lie within the performance and not the size of the device.
I think the SP8 is priced about 200$ too high. It's the same price as the big iPad Pro and that is what MS is seeing as the main competitor for the SP8. So I get where they are coming from with the price. I wouldn't say it's "extremly poor" value (that would be the Surface Lapotop Studio) as it still is a great device but it surely is not "good" value atm. But they'll get cheaper as they always do. And for the size differences to the Go... I made the calculations because I was curious (3:2 vs. 16:9). You'll loose 1,6cm or 0.7 inches in display size height. And a lot more in width. That is no world changing difference. Especially for office work and browsing. But if you mostly want to consume media there is no choice here. Asus Slate it is. Although one could still argue about how much a windows tablet is good for consuming media. I really hope you are right with 'many much cheaper slate devices with oled coming' because I'd love to replace my Go with an OLED device THAT IS MORE POWERFULL. :P
Would have been nice if the Optimus prime was at the outro, perfect opportunity to say "ROLL OUT"
The transformation in the intro is so damn smooth
When is this coming out? I can't find it for sale anywhere? Most articles mention it would be available this month.
I loved seeing that Frankie intro there, didn't expect it 😀
The “good” thing about surface is that even though their price tags are really high, they go on sale frequently and often at 20-30% discount. And their resale value is also not that great, so the secondhand market might be a good place for people who really want a surface but don’t want to pay high price for them.
I had a surface pro 4 back in college and it was a great portable machine. I used it a for illustrations, animation and even 3D stuff. (I pushed it a bit too much) The ability to use all windows software instead of just apps was great. I sold it eventually and got myself a laptop with discrete graphic cards, but I did enjoy my surface a lot!
The resale value isn't great because the hardware and software lack longevity.
Definably would have been a great option at $600
everyone's forgetting in terms of spec sheet its only a Surface go
. in that Pentium category .
if you want it firmly attached to the slate tablet, you can double tape it instead of relying on the magnetic strength
Ok now THAT is a clean intro
Dave has still playing with Optimus Prime.
you just can't miss Dave2D videos man..
Asus has always been amazing in delivering quality products at affordable prices
I bought the surface laptop go for $350 as a price mistake. Amazing purchase and love the device but simply feel the full retail price is silly.
How do people get this lucky? Wish I could be.
The Surface Pro Line of devices were never about affordability. They always were, and still mostly are, the "guiding lights" for other windows OEMs. They can make the products cheaper, but then that would not go down well with the OEM partners. It's also better this way for the consumers.
It'll drop to 1,000 for everything in a few months. They always do.
8:15 best part of the video besides the OLED panel. SP8 great for work still
Can you please do a SP8 w/ GPU and screen vs external display video with a mid tier or upper mid tier GPU in a case? I know there are vids like this out there already but I've been watching your videos for a long time and I really think that your content is very premium and accurate. I am not a fan of the competitor in this video. I really like the Surface ecosystem of accessories and the whole Surface Connect options. Also, I am extremely biased in favor of the MS keyboards. I cannot stand cheap keyboards and feel like MS keyboards are exceptional, at least for my taste.
As a big big fan of Transformers, that intro is dope!!😎😎
Love the screen on the slate, the only thing it’s missing is a better processor.
OGs will remember when the pen came with the surface
Don't forget the Lenovo Duet 5 is also an OLED and it can be found under $400
Jan and the slate isn't still available yet 😅😔
I bought a Samsung Galaxy Book with a higher resolution OLED screen like 4 years ago.
Same 2in1 form factor, with a pen.
$800 canadian, bnib.
This DCU what if episodes are lit
That angle on the kickstand looks like we will finally be able to use it in portrait mode
Nice touch
Waiting for that intro and now it is back!
I hope the next generation will be able to choose the processor...
I recently got my iPad Air and I was like “Maybe I should return it and get this Asus tablet” until you mentioned the performance. Having an OLED display would be so nice though!
The battery life is issue is an intel driver. If you manually update your intel drivers it allows for adaptive refresh rate for the new surface products which fixes the poor battery issues from 120hz setting.
This should be through the update process as many users are reluctant to update from a third party business, especially in Enterprise or business. Until it has been made available in the update process this remains an issue with the SP8.
@@andyH_England Yep, I don't know why it's taking forever for it to roll out via microsoft windows update because this feature is a BIG DEAL for the surface devices. In my opinion it should have shipped with the device.
As someone who draws, the digitizer is so important to me. Watching this on my Samsung Tab S7+.
I'd buy it
only if they gave ryzen5/i5 with 8gb (upgradable)
and rest same
Pretty bad fish hooks on the lines from the Asus pen, that'd drive an illustrator up the wall to work with. Better than no tablet maybe? but for that price you could get a second hand ipad and pen and be happier.
Can't understand the intention with those products. Why not just get a slim 13 inch laptop?
Always loved your contents. Reviewing like actual common consumer, and not forgetting the details too for enthusiasts. Adding your personal thoughts and preferences makes it even better. Keep up the good work dave. Respect from your indonesian fan
Wait for the lenovo duet 3i refresh! It's even more budget friendly.
Looking more to see "what if" video series
The Asus Slate costs 905 dollars here in Germany :(
I'm surprised there's very few product that imitate the surface. The convenience of having a tablet and a pen is surprisingly welcome if you're drawing or just want media consumption but at some point needed a full laptop.
Even though it's cheaper, there's more to be desired. Like better processor, 120hz and better pen. I think something in the middle for $1000 would be ideal.
Now we are talking
I wouldn't trust the Pentium processor to keep up. I have a 11th gen i5 Dell Latitude for work, and when used as a workstation.
I work in a "corporate HQ" type role, so no heavy video editing or anything intensive. Just have lots of MS office/browser based oracle, power bi etc. type windows and tabs open. Even then its barely enough to run everything smoothly.
Are you going to review the thinkbook 16p g2? I'm considering it but I'm waiting for your review of it to know all the little details.
You can get 120 FPS with an external GPU since the surface has thunderbolt ports. Something that was not mentioned for some reason.
When I bought my Surface Pro 7 MS had a bundle going that threw in the keyboard. Hopefully at some point this year the same thing will happen with the 8.
Nice review, anyhow for 600USD, I would top up a little bit and go for the Surface Pro 7. It's on sale everywhere around maybe USD900+ with keyboard+pen bundles. Was expecting more from Asus but end up a little dissapointed, especially only at 60hz FHD.
Guess I just have to wait for Surface Pro 8 to launch locally in my country
and the ASUS doesn't have a 16gb option so not so much future proof
Do you realize we didn't know what device you were talking about until minute 2:42?
Surface pro is always good. I have one I7 512gb version. Not sure what year but this shit can run GTA V on High, OW on high and it's fkn amazing. No fan model too. I don't game on it but tried it out because I was curious. Not disappointed
Nice review as always
The problem with budget tech products for me is always resale value. Have fun getting anything for an unpopular device once you want to upgrade or switch. That’s why Apple products especially have higher value than people think. I bought a used iPad Pro, used it for 6 months and even made a little profit when I sold it because it was so popular.
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Not sure I can trust Asus after I bought ZenPad a few years ago and the screen started coming off the back panel. First time I've ever had that happen to a device.
At that price point it would be fair to call it a good device for students, and ASUS has a history of making good value devices for students, it's just rediculous the way Microsoft advertises and prices its stuff, it might make more sense if they just film some superstar celebs casually using it throughout their day like Apple ads
So get it on eBay refurbished or used?
The og duet performed better after time. I have heard rumors that the surface pro x keyboards work on the pro 8 but haven't tested it
I was hoping the "slate" was gonna just be an actual piece of slate, a chalk board.
The Surface models are known for screen flickering after a few months, Overheating issues and microsoft support being shocking when it comes to customer service. Even giving some customers refirbished surface pros instead of new ones. Id really love to get one of these but the last few surfaces have been plagued with problems and i just cant trust microsoft service for support anymore.
Surface pro 8 i7 16GB 256GB for $1335 USD @ Best Buy this would be a perfect time to get one.
thanx dave, another awesome alternative
A BMW won't drive twice as fast as a Volkswagen Golf, it won't be twice as silent or even last twice as long. But it will still cost more than twice the price of a Golf. It's small details, refinments, quality material and and overall satisfaction that you're paying for with this high-end devices. Makes perfect sense for the Surface to cost more than double the price of the Asus. Be that as it may, the Asus looks like a very decent product as well for that price tag.
At first glance, I thought it was one of the Lenovo ThinkPad or Chromebook Duet 5 that came with excellent screens and reasonable prices!!.
Spec wise shouldn't you be comparing it to the Surface Go?
What are the tiny blue fish in the back ? They look aweesome
Dave Babai.. why the keyboards are blurred in the 4K Video...? I think u need to change the camera...
YAY! new camera angles
That intro is sick
The Surface Pro lineup is durable, so it is worth the price long-term if you get high enough RAM (16 to 32GB) and an Intel i-7 11th gen CPU.
Hey can you please take a look at the galaxy book odessy. It looks really good on paper and not many people have covered it so needed to decide whether it's worth considering it not. Thanks
The Asus looks like it a twin of the Lenovo Duet 5 Chromebook, even the screen I think is the same screen so actually the Lenovo was first to have a 2 in 1 with an OLED. It is also the same price at msrp of $599 and because the Asus has such a weak processor I think most consumers would be fine with the Lenovo which can price drop as low as $399. Would be fun to see a comparison between the Lenovo and the Asus.
First OLED 2 in 1? Hmmmm I have been rocking a Samsung TabPro S for a few years now dude.
An alternative would be to buy a used/refurbished Surface Pro 6 or 7 for the same price as the Vivo
Great review, reality is that you get what you pay for. If you are on a budget, you have to go with the Asus and work around the issues.