Surprised that those MRF Killers are still alive and telling how they killed innocent People. I’m Amazed..!! Wonder why there’s so much hate towards the Army.
Defending a state based on discrimination and bigotry, rife with gerrymandering in elections, mass discrimination in jobs and housing for just being born a Catholic. The first UK show to be censored was a 1950's episode of Whicker's World were it was found impossible not to show the bigotry and discrimination Nationalists faced, when a watered down version was aired BBC camera crews were attacked by Loyalists. Bombs and shootings by Loyalists happened before the Troubles even started, the first RUC man killed Victor Arbuckle was killed by Loyalists, attacks on fireman and ambulance crews again Loyalists, the earliest attacks resulting in gun battles by the British Army was with Loyalists and the first British Army soldier killed was Hugh McCabe who was murdered by the RUC in 1969 with 3 other civilians including the first child murdered 9 year old Patrick Rooney when the RUC machine gunned Divis Flats indiscriminately with a Bren gun. The first British soldier to die at Republican hands happened 2 years later in 1971. Children killed by accident is a tragedy but only Loyalists abducted kids like 14 year old Phillip Rafferty, tortured and murdered them solely for coming from a Catholic background. There would never have been any troubles if there'd been no discrimination and when a more moderate Unionist came to power and tried to promote the mildest reforms Paisley soon whipped up the bigotry. Heaven forbid you got a job because you were best suited for it or get a council home because your family needed it most or that the democracy was one man, one vote. Lets hope the future is brighter.
Not that it matters, but young Patrick Rooney would have been killed by shots fired from a Turret mounted general purpose machine gun mounted inside the turret a RUC 'Shorts Shoreland' Armoured car as they simply drove into the complex and started, hosing Davis Flats with those 7.62 x 51mm high velocity rounds....." RUC officers inside the Shorlands opened fire with their turret-mounted machine-guns. At least thirteen Divis flats were recorded struck in the hail of gunfire. A nine-year-old boy, Patrick Rooney, was killed instantly by Shorland machine-gun fire as he lay in bed in one of the flats. He was the first child fatality during the violence."
There is not a lot published about these guys at all. In fact the only Film I could find them in was 1971 and that was quite in keeping with what I saw here. Martin Dillon is an amazing Journalist and his Books on this subject are amazing. Great stuff ATL. Thx Mo Chara 👍👍
Finally got to watch this. Some others have commented on the 'smugness' of the MRF officers interviewed...one even referred to NI as "our homeland" FFS.
You'd like to think they weren't sas or mrf to make a mistake like that, but in seeing "smugness" in another comment reminds me how simple them mainland brits can be thinking they'd get away with that, unfortunately that was par for the course and they were legitimate targets.
That thought had occurred to me too when watching this film. Although the soldiers killed at Milltown didn't have the weapons other than their standard issue pistol, that I know about.
It's been claimed they were part of a Army surveillance team called the Joint Communications Unit and they encountered the funeral procession 'by accident' after ignoring orders to stay in their barracks. If that's true they were truly incompetent and stupid. If they were there on some kind of mission, it means their handlers were utterly incompetent and stupid.
There's a place just outside Lisburn, a place that's known to few, but a group of Irish rebels, are held by Faulkner's crew.... They are forced to live in cages like the inmates of Bellevue But the spirit of 1916 will always see them through
@petermurphey I think you mean were rather than ‘are’ because I can believe almost anything of Faulkner and his policies but he is long gone and internment is mercifully over
Just watched it wow 👌 only seen it once when it was on tv frist time and last time,,well done putting it @troubleland 🇮🇪🇮🇪 made my blood boil ,great docamentry about are country and how the English killed incontinent people knowing b4 hand 2,,,,Dublin and Ireland 🇮🇪 till I die
The younger brother of my mother's best friend from her uni days in Scotland was a career British soldier who had been all around the world in the 70s. As I understand, he did his last final service in the north of Ireland throughout the 70s and early 80s and was extremely reluctant to talk about it as it was supposed to be hush-hush and the experience itself was disturbing. After that he became a private security consultant in the middle east and retired in Dubai. Always wondered if he was involved with this or the FRU, which was formed later.
The FRU were Agent handlers, what became known as " humint " Human intelligence. You had to be an SNCO to even apply ( Sergeant ) A friend I worked with served in their opposite unit. The DET. 14 Security and intelligence unit, that was back in the 80s. Thesese men & Women were a breed apart and not like these headcases in the MRF.
@@stephensmith4480Was it not the debt who executed the three robbers exiting the bookmakers on the Falls Red including the unarmed driver, there is barely a distinction to be made.
My experience with any soldier who faced combat is that they will not talk about the experience. I have always thought that they were traumatized by the experience
@@ATLmodK The term 'combat' seems inappropriate given that many civilians died in settings not dissimilar to the final minutes of the documentary, schoolgirls and boys going about their day to day lawful business while heavily armed foreign troops use them as cover.
Their attitude is not surprising to me really even though it is shocking to hear. The nature if British Army training and conditioning is to remove the recruits capability if critical thinking. The soldiers are taught to do, not think. If there superiors point at an enemy, they go at them without conscience, without pausing for thought. It's very difficult, even in ex soldiers, to de-program from this mindset as we see here. Every war crime, murder justified in their minds free from conscience. Chilling to watch. It's clear from the British military's behaviour around the world, which is covered in the film, it fell and falls well short of any understood rules of engagement. Covered by a partisan media and dictated heavily by government, the truth of war crimes can be covered up. This has been true in Iraq and Afghanistan more recently. You are right, they are no better than the terrorists themselves. And, I bet not one of them had read a book on Irish history.
@@wtorules4743 If what that High Ranking officer said at the end was true and that they were a normal Army unit that was fully accountable then the question has to be asked, Why have ALL the records appertaining to them been wiped out from MOD records? I think the question answers itself. You have to be a particular brand of nutcase to want to be part of something like this, even the SAS don`t operate with such abandonment.
@@koeman1873 I'm pretty grown up. I lived through the Troubles. Thatcher said, "Crime is crime is crime" - that is unless her boys are committing crime. The IRA may have got it wrong a few times but never deliberately like those fuckers.
@@stephensmith4480Yes they did/do perhaps you've forgotten the two troopers apprehended by Iraqi police shooting and throwing grenades in Basra and later broken out of police custody by British tanks, the are indeed simply SAS by another name.
State sponsored murder of its own citizens and you call that "dirty tricks". If they were fighting and killing the IRA fair enough it was a war but these guys were murdering innocent people. Panarama took the side of good over evil here friend. Murder is murder no matter who commited it.
Surprised that those MRF Killers are still alive and telling how they killed innocent People.
I’m Amazed..!!
Wonder why there’s so much hate towards the Army.
Defending a state based on discrimination and bigotry, rife with gerrymandering in elections, mass discrimination in jobs and housing for just being born a Catholic. The first UK show to be censored was a 1950's episode of Whicker's World were it was found impossible not to show the bigotry and discrimination Nationalists faced, when a watered down version was aired BBC camera crews were attacked by Loyalists. Bombs and shootings by Loyalists happened before the Troubles even started, the first RUC man killed Victor Arbuckle was killed by Loyalists, attacks on fireman and ambulance crews again Loyalists, the earliest attacks resulting in gun battles by the British Army was with Loyalists and the first British Army soldier killed was Hugh McCabe who was murdered by the RUC in 1969 with 3 other civilians including the first child murdered 9 year old Patrick Rooney when the RUC machine gunned Divis Flats indiscriminately with a Bren gun. The first British soldier to die at Republican hands happened 2 years later in 1971. Children killed by accident is a tragedy but only Loyalists abducted kids like 14 year old Phillip Rafferty, tortured and murdered them solely for coming from a Catholic background. There would never have been any troubles if there'd been no discrimination and when a more moderate Unionist came to power and tried to promote the mildest reforms Paisley soon whipped up the bigotry. Heaven forbid you got a job because you were best suited for it or get a council home because your family needed it most or that the democracy was one man, one vote. Lets hope the future is brighter.
Not that it matters, but young Patrick Rooney would have been killed by shots fired from a Turret mounted general purpose machine gun mounted inside the turret a RUC 'Shorts Shoreland' Armoured car as they simply drove into the complex and started, hosing Davis Flats with those 7.62 x 51mm high velocity rounds....." RUC officers inside the Shorlands opened fire with their turret-mounted machine-guns. At least thirteen Divis flats were recorded struck in the hail of gunfire. A nine-year-old boy, Patrick Rooney, was killed instantly by Shorland machine-gun fire as he lay in bed in one of the flats. He was the first child fatality during the violence."
There is not a lot published about these guys at all. In fact the only Film I could find them in was 1971 and that was quite in keeping with what I saw here. Martin Dillon is an amazing Journalist and his Books on this subject are amazing. Great stuff ATL. Thx Mo Chara 👍👍
Tip of the iceberg.
For those interested there is a book called "MRF Shadow Troop" by Simon Cursey.
It could have been written by Alistair Mclaine.
This looks fascinating! I’ve heard precious little about their role in the Troubles…
Finally got to watch this. Some others have commented on the 'smugness' of the MRF officers interviewed...one even referred to NI as "our homeland" FFS.
''Known players'' holy fuck a fruit seller and his brother, great intel lol
Another great video well done lads🇮🇪
How many "terrorists" did they take out ?? History tells us many innocent men women and children were murdered by these proud "soldiers"
I'm surprised these guys appeared on camera telling everybody this
are they actors ? confused
Do you reckon the two soldiers who were killed at milltown cemetery were mrf?
Or something similar. Possibly SAS.
Definitely not tourists anyway
You'd like to think they weren't sas or mrf to make a mistake like that, but in seeing "smugness" in another comment reminds me how simple them mainland brits can be thinking they'd get away with that, unfortunately that was par for the course and they were legitimate targets.
That thought had occurred to me too when watching this film. Although the soldiers killed at Milltown didn't have the weapons other than their standard issue pistol, that I know about.
It's been claimed they were part of a Army surveillance team called the Joint Communications Unit and they encountered the funeral procession 'by accident' after ignoring orders to stay in their barracks. If that's true they were truly incompetent and stupid. If they were there on some kind of mission, it means their handlers were utterly incompetent and stupid.
There's a place just outside Lisburn, a place that's known to few, but a group of Irish rebels, are held by Faulkner's crew.... They are forced to live in cages like the inmates of Bellevue
But the spirit of 1916 will always see them through
@@parkgate-ub1eywere you a prisoner?
@petermurphey I think you mean were rather than ‘are’ because I can believe almost anything of Faulkner and his policies but he is long gone and internment is mercifully over
@@parkgate-ub1eygot it, thanks for responding
55:04. "Saving innocent peoples lives". Unless, of course, you are living in a Catholic / Nationalist area and on your way home.
Just watched it wow 👌 only seen it once when it was on tv frist time and last time,,well done putting it @troubleland 🇮🇪🇮🇪 made my blood boil ,great docamentry about are country and how the English killed incontinent people knowing b4 hand 2,,,,Dublin and Ireland 🇮🇪 till I die
incontinent people ? should have just bought them some diapers !
@@michaelt2166😂 I think somebody’s spellcheck ran amok
How history repeats itself. “Hard nosed baby killers” sounds familiar to propaganda in Gaza today.
Nothing Republicans didn't know , and there's more than them ,that do dirty tricks Det 14 ,e
The younger brother of my mother's best friend from her uni days in Scotland was a career British soldier who had been all around the world in the 70s. As I understand, he did his last final service in the north of Ireland throughout the 70s and early 80s and was extremely reluctant to talk about it as it was supposed to be hush-hush and the experience itself was disturbing. After that he became a private security consultant in the middle east and retired in Dubai. Always wondered if he was involved with this or the FRU, which was formed later.
The FRU were Agent handlers, what became known as " humint " Human intelligence. You had to be an SNCO to even apply ( Sergeant ) A friend I worked with served in their opposite unit. The DET. 14 Security and intelligence unit, that was back in the 80s. Thesese men & Women were a breed apart and not like these headcases in the MRF.
Murder is a bastard to live with I imagine.
@@stephensmith4480Was it not the debt who executed the three robbers exiting the bookmakers on the Falls Red including the unarmed driver, there is barely a distinction to be made.
My experience with any soldier who faced combat is that they will not talk about the experience. I have always thought that they were traumatized by the experience
@@ATLmodK The term 'combat' seems inappropriate given that many civilians died in settings not dissimilar to the final minutes of the documentary, schoolgirls and boys going about their day to day lawful business while heavily armed foreign troops use them as cover.
The smugness of those MRF guys is disgusting. The ignorance of not realizing what they perpetuated was way worse than what the IRA were doing.
Their attitude is not surprising to me really even though it is shocking to hear. The nature if British Army training and conditioning is to remove the recruits capability if critical thinking. The soldiers are taught to do, not think. If there superiors point at an enemy, they go at them without conscience, without pausing for thought. It's very difficult, even in ex soldiers, to de-program from this mindset as we see here. Every war crime, murder justified in their minds free from conscience. Chilling to watch.
It's clear from the British military's behaviour around the world, which is covered in the film, it fell and falls well short of any understood rules of engagement. Covered by a partisan media and dictated heavily by government, the truth of war crimes can be covered up. This has been true in Iraq and Afghanistan more recently.
You are right, they are no better than the terrorists themselves. And, I bet not one of them had read a book on Irish history.
@@wtorules4743 If what that High Ranking officer said at the end was true and that they were a normal Army unit that was fully accountable then the question has to be asked, Why have ALL the records appertaining to them been wiped out from MOD records? I think the question answers itself. You have to be a particular brand of nutcase to want to be part of something like this, even the SAS don`t operate with such abandonment.
Way worse?, grow up.
@@koeman1873 I'm pretty grown up. I lived through the Troubles. Thatcher said, "Crime is crime is crime" - that is unless her boys are committing crime. The IRA may have got it wrong a few times but never deliberately like those fuckers.
@@stephensmith4480Yes they did/do perhaps you've forgotten the two troopers apprehended by Iraqi police shooting and throwing grenades in Basra and later broken out of police custody by British tanks, the are indeed simply SAS by another name.
Is the mrf guys that are being interviewed played by actors or is that really them
And now amnesty.
Has that passed Parliament? I was hoping it had been held up.😊
@@ATLmodK
So far it has passed the house of commons..
@@tuesdayjames5470 ugh
@@ATLmodK Justice is something we only can hope for.
Reality is what we live and experience.
@@tuesdayjames5470 So sorry, and so disappointed that this is the case. 😢🇮🇪
Death squads?! (Which one ‘soldier’ vehemently rejects)…if it walks like a duck n it quacks! 👎💩☹️ The shame of the British army.
Erin go bragh 🇮🇪✊
Big Jim Brysons anniversary soon ,think it was yesterday
Smug! but even after all these years they still use disguises! 😂
Spelling . . . Please!
What did I spell wrong?
We broke your empire
Can we have our teddy bears head back?
Go raibh maith agat a chara 🇮🇪32
They were not soldiers they were assissans 😡😡
Sometimes we have to resort to dirty tricks to get rid of the cowardly IRA. Panarama (BBC) always seems to take the side of the enemy.
State sponsored murder of its own citizens and you call that "dirty tricks". If they were fighting and killing the IRA fair enough it was a war but these guys were murdering innocent people. Panarama took the side of good over evil here friend. Murder is murder no matter who commited it.
And that, my friend, is how the end began. People like you. Same in every former colony.
Fighting fire with fire I understand. Difficult times require difficult measures.