Testing the UFC's Illegal Moves
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2025
- I Tested out some of the UFC's Banned Moves... they hurt, but should they be illegal?!
Big thanks to @ChrisRaynorMD for the science, and @WonderboyMMA and @KevinLeeVlog for beating me up! Give them a subscribe if you don't mind!
I must applaud you describing the UFC fighter as a "reverse doctor"
Professionally unhealthy
Zabit Magomedsharipov has been through the whole spectrum
Even the real doctor was awesome lol.
They can perform vasectomies, liver transplants, ACL grafts, and lobotomies
Always gotta get one jab in Icy Mike 😂
It was amusing and somewhat surreal seeing 3 guys whaling on another's groin with pool noodles. I genuinely think, as fellow men, they just couldn't bring themselves to hit you that hard there haha...
They should bring angry ex for proper test.
@@ShadowManceri 😂😂😂
The clown music really was the icing on this sweaty cake 🎂🍰
Surreal? Is that why me and my friends get all those weird looks at the local pool?
NOT, if you are in jackass
Enjoyed this "collab" with you @Sensei Seth. Thanks for having me! 🙏🏿💪🏿
! Awesome analysis!
Thank you kindly!
You are awesome Dr. Raynor! I actually found your channel through Garand thumb!
Hey doc, good job. Now you need to turn Seth into an Astartes
I’m glad to see the collab with some other folks who watch. I really enjoy your videos
I love how Wonderboy constantly apologized for using the illegal techniques (even though that was the purpose of the video), but Sweet T absolutely relished the task, haha.
Idk Stephen was pretty interested in the groin kick lol
@@SenseiSeth Fair point. Guys named Stephen are the worst!
@@SenseiSeth it makes sense he is a karate guy, for self defense karate they do tell you to go for the bollz if you have to. Besides you are testing yourself if you can kick precise between the legs. I think that WB with illegal moves allowed would be an assassin. But idk grapplers seem even more scary with the bites & finger snapping.
The duality of man.
@@SenseiSeth i learned more about health in this than health class
He landed 16 eye pokes with you specifically expecting and trying to defend against an eye poke. Now imagine someone not expecting it and being hit full force with a finger tip drive or a spear hand strike to the eye socket/ ocular cavity.
I don't want to imagine it.
@@aidanation562 your Mr bubz profile pic is the perfect reaction image to this comment, thank you for the (unintentional) laugh
Ah yes Jon Jones
thanks Spongebob
I came right after watching the UA-cam short ong 😂
Lol same
Lmao same
Fr
Omg me tooo😂
"Groin goblins" legit made me laugh hard. Love this huge collaboration too, freaking awesome, thank you.
My thoughts exactly lmao
Petition to name pro fighters who are notorious for groin shots "groin goblins"
Wonder boy and co smacking your Nuts repeatedly with Pool Noodles was hilarious. Someone should crop that part and repost without context
I’ll post it on IG soon with no context, great idea lol
Thanks SpongeBob for recommending this
Fr lmao
Awesome Sensei Seth. This was a cool collaboration, not just with marital art UA-camrs, but with Dr. Chris too. We have a lot of fun with martial arts but at the end of day these techniques are meant to harm people.
This is basically a list of the best moves to use to defend yourself in a street fight
No.
This might be the most disturbing video you’ve made to date while still being massively entertaining and informative.
You got my favorite youtube doctor to collab with you guys - this is a real Halloween miracle. Awesome stuff as usual.
Thanks spongebob
NO WAY
bro and i saw the same video
7:45, this is probably the reason why they ban fence grab. You're much bigger and it was almost impossible for you to take him down. Imagine if they were the same size, just a moment grab can recover from any takedowns.
Ironically while it's a perfect reason to keep it, the original reason they made it illegal is different. In the early UFC the rules were a bit more lax and in one fight Tank Abbott against Paul Varelans is what made the rule change. ua-cam.com/video/SgRKoHZ-J18/v-deo.html Here if you want to watch it yourself, can't see it very well in this but at one point Tank had Varelans up against the cage and was using the cage to rake the face of Varelans. The fight ends with Tank's knee on Varelan's face and neck, and pulling on the cage for extra leverage to sink the submission in more. He uses the cage as a weapon extensively enough the announcers are talking about it in the video.
fence grabbing should be automatic 1 point deduction. That one take down attempt that was stuffed by it could be a massive game changer and people only gets a warning
imagine him smashingon his arms trying to get him to come off - dangerous
That scream to test out the power of oil check. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
the groin shots may not be easy to pull off but it does happen and sometimes people need a full minute to recover thats pretty impactful
Big props to you for doing this, entertaining video as always. As a note, a lot of the eye pokes I see in UFC fights seem to be defensive accidents, that is the fighter tries to parry and accidentally pokes someone in the eye who's coming forward.
One thing that always gets me is in these types of tests, eye pokes are just treated like finger punches. There are so many more ways you can get someone in the eye. An eye poke doesn't require the same force as a punch to be effective, so you can still deal damage in positions where punches would not be effective (i.e. very close quarters).
I do wonder if the 12-6 elbow would be more powerful from a mount position as well. In the test you guys did, you can really sink your entire bodyweight into it, which you could not do as much while in your knees.
That would be interesting. I think the test they did was perfectly valid though because it is a decent simulation of stuffing a takedown, and I think that's the worse case because then a 12-6 elbow is really likely to land on the back of the head. I'd be curious to see what the power was like with grapevines from the mount or high mount which are both decent for keeping position while freeing up the hands.
Yes the downward elbow, goes better with body mechanics, your shoulder is meant to go up and down easier then rotating. Try the move and you’ll feel that your arms gets more stukck in the “normal” elbow position
12-6 elbows from a full mount could indeed be catastrophic. Extensive facial fractures would be possible. All around bad news.
I've heard it can be effective against a tackle aimed below the ribs.
@@ChrisRaynorMD What would a 12-6 elbow do against the kidneys or organs hit through the back
Great expertise by Dr. Raynor. Loved, how entertaining he wraped the infos :)
8:54 the moment Sensei Seth realized he forgot the headbutt on the final edit! 😂 Thanks for all the cool videos, cheers
"Illegal moves" are illegal because they work too well
Not all of them. Eye poke will destroy your finger in most cases, not your enemy's eye.
No they are not. They are illegal because they leave more permanent damage compared to their effectiveness. Finishing a choke is more effective than all of the moves shown here, but it's legal because you can tap to it, and even if you don't you only go to sleep for 30 seconds.
Oh sick, Dr. Chris! Awesome collab, I love that guy’s Grappler Baki breakdowns!
one of the earliest rules of the UFC was no little joint control which means individual finger breaking, pulling, etc. Bites to the neck or other squishy targets too, etc.
This was an awesome video from start to finish! the additional collab with doc Chris was a very sweet cherry on top as well.
I’m here because of SpongeBob.
same
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Dr. Chris is so dope I swear I’ve been seeing this guy everywhere
This is a collab I never expected but much appreciated
I always think of that crazy tang soo do guy in one of the early ufc fights who caught his opponent in crucifix and then rained about 3 12 - 6 elbows onto him. It was really nasty.
A 12 - 6 on the back of the head is definitely dangerous! Theres also the chance of missing the head and hitting the point where the spine and the skull connect. ☠️
i laughed my ass off with this video!!!!🤣🤣🤣 also amazing collab with Dr.Chris!!👍
That eye poke seminar is basically what a Jon Jones fight looks like
Jon jones regular sparring in training camp
@@MaxMax123-l8x 🤣🤣🤣
Wasn't expecting the Sensei Seth Dr. Chris crossover, but I very much appreciate it
Really appreciate everybody's efforts in this video. Great job, guys
Sensei Seth pausing and looking at the camera when doc said testicular rupture was as though his life flashed before his eyes lol I grew up with brothers and that is a no no lol. Overall great video guys! Love the collabs!
Maaaaaaan I have tears from laughing, there are so many gems in this video, I loved the awkward hand holding moment with wonderboy in the beginning xD !!!!!!!!
12 to 6 elbowing is denied by one doctor, who weren't speciliased in any type of fighting, but he still was in this board that was making the rules, he told that he has seen that kind of elbowing destroy ice blocks and that kind of a force used to human head would be too dangerous.
If kicks to the balls are treated just like any other technique, - meaning set up with punches, feints,
used as part of combos - and not an "alleged instant win" (as it was shown here), - then their effects
can go pretty far. Ranging from a TKO to an opportunity window for a KO. Just imagine that beside
all the regular targets, every now and then after a 1-2 - a low kick flies intentionally full-power to the
balls. Or is getting switched into a high kick to the head. Or the other way around. Or both or whatnot.
In the early UFC it was actually legal, but was excluded quickly enough. Headbutts, on the other hand -
were legal for a much longer time. And were used to a devastating effect, when some big dudes
realized that a properly applied in a ground-and-pound scenario - it's like fighting with a weapon.
Mark Kerr, a powerful and formidable wrestler of that time - was well known to put this technique to use,
while it was still legal. In addition to Mark's size, strength and grappling - he truly owned his nickname:
"The Smashing Machine". Most fighters would already be mentally defeated when he entered the cage.
UFC fighters like JJ don't use eye pokes offensively but rather defensively to stop opponents from charging in and to maintain distance. They are highly effective and responsible for many victories.
It's crazy that it hasn't been that long since Seth was just some awkward dude with 1000 subs on icy Mikes channel. Props to him for grinding and really getting good at this UA-cam stuff.
Now he has one of the best martial channels on YT.
I love how UCF is branded as "real fighting" yet some of the most common tactics of real fights are banned.
I wouldn’t be here if spongebible told me about this
Seth is a secret master of Iron Ball Kempo
The secret is now out.
"The adrenaline from being attacked by three noodles to my noodle" lost it💀
Loved Dr Chris on this! Should have him on more often
My coach explained that it the 12-6 elbow was stronger because it uses more of the muscles that we use for throwing stuff, and apparently our body is quite adapted to throwing objects.
For the groin shot, as far as my knowledge goes, it's the pelvic floor the what's the real killer. The nuts hurt but to reach the pelvic floor you have to really penetrate. I would say that the noodle test didn't quite do it. I would have Wonderboy knee Sensei Seth right there tbh. (Sorry sensei Seth)
Great random video on my feed. Glad to see Dr. Raynor also!! The nut shot segment had me dying. 😂😂
Recovering from yesterday's groin surgery and I felt every one of those noodle slaps while watching this. 🤣
The addition of Christ in this was excellent.
It's nice to get that perspective as to what the potential dangers of things are. Definitely very informative. (Also he's pretty funny so that adds to it as well)
LOL KEVIN THE GROIN GOBLIN FROM BEHIND LMFAO
Kevin Lee looks really different ever since taking a break from the ufc. Good for him!
One of the fathers of MMA, Big John McCarthy explained that the reason the 12-6 elbow was made illegal was because one of the comissioners saw a Karate video where a Karateka broke several sheets of ice from the technique..... Thanks Karate.
for the eye pokes, he was only trying to land those and you knew it. if you had to defend against kicks (he didn't attempt a single one) then landing them would probably be significantly easier?
i think that's closer to the point of the rule
Kevin Lee is a great guy you should keep bringing him to more and more videos
"loss of the testicle" cut to ad. Cliffhanger lol
Remember not in early UFC. An early UFC has Ken Shammrock reallly messing up one of the gracies faces with headbutts.
Gotta admit. The groin shot kind of went as I expected. It sucks, but it's not world ending.
Which is why everytime I see a groin shot that a fighter uses as an opportunity for a 2 minute break I think they're just using the rest.
Most of those groin shots are usually questionable too.
Example: Wonderboy's "groin shot" on Holland
needing this for later
This is awesome!! Thanks for making this Sensei Seth
Cool to see you collabing with Dr. Chris!
Thank you spunch bob 😩😤🙏
Jon Jones would score 100 eye pokes in 10 seconds
This is funny. And also a good test on those, "I would just... *insert thing here* to the guy" self defense videos.
With the 12 to 6 elbow there's a risk of damage to the spinal column if the attacker is shooting in for a takedown. Technique I was taught when an attacker shoots in for takedown it's knee to the face followed by downward elbow strike usually to the back of the neck then uppercut.
You can't fight irl
@@stormsumeet Meh, I know the difference between your and you're though.
King of the Streets
“Fine… I’ll do it myself…”
I grew up competing in a point tournaments organization in Texas that just banned groin shots in the last five years. Prior to that, kicks to the groin were a legal point target. A cup was required equipment.These shots hurt and might require a time out, but we usually kept going. We never had a serious injury as a result. Before you say it was "just point fighting" many world champion kickboxers competed in this league. Although it is considered Medium to light contact, it was actually medium to hard contact. I've seen people get knocked out, the other person is awarded a point, and the fight continues after a medic checks them out. When we went to the groin, we intended to slow our oponent down. I saw more than one cup get cracked.
This list is literally me fighting bullies when I was 12 🤣
I love when the Three Thompson brothers collaborate
Some of the ufc's rules are good & should be there. The other 80% should not have been made in the first place, let alone be still on the books today. If they would go back to the early rules & format with today's talent, it would be incredible.
12-6 thing. Doing legal elbow you use mostly pectoralis major muscle. Doing illegal elbow you use latissimus dorsi and triceps brahii with together are much stronger than usein pec musle. Also as wonderboy said there might be little less surface on a illegal elbow, depending how you hit your legal elbow.
Nah. Mostly lats.
When Kevin was holding onto the cage, all I could think about was a little kid throwing a tantrum.
I can hear Big John Mccarthy rolling his eyes about the 12 - 6 elbow from all the way down here in Australia
This kinda video is why I subscribe to this channel,chivalrous and informative
you got dr chris raynor on! love that guy
Always out of the box ideas in this chanel, love it. Small note, the eye poke was used on a standing situation, I think this move if it was not illegal, would be more of a use in a submission situation when eyes are in a closer reach and could reverse the situation
"We added two extra groin goblins"
And now we know why Mike wasn't called for this video.
I think the octagon should be made of something transparent and sturdy, that would easily eliminate cage grabbing
Some type of Plastic. Then it'll really be like a wall.
@@davidcastillo4487 The problem with plastic is that it would get scratched up pretty quickly, and you wouldn't be able to see through it.
@@killersalmon4359 well I don't expect them to actually change the cages. It's probably much cheaper to just keep the cages and leave the rules. But it would be cooler if they had actual walls..... still then some fighters would find ways to throw the opponent into that hard surface. There's no perfect solution for this format of fighting. Maybe have the fighters at a sunken level box arena with padding on the walls....
The reason for it being a cage is for the benefit of spectators, not anything to do with it being the best environment for a fight.
@@MrWicked360 that’s why I said transparent, so that there’s no compromise with the spectators
The crossover king continues his journey.
Now you just need the Legal Eagle.
every upload is a bomb- literally 🔥
Nice video though! made me crack up a little bit
Easily one of the greatest thumbnails I've ever seen
I like you educational/explorational style videos! Great!
Karateka studying Pre-Med here. Awesome video man lol.
Pretty bold opening with the Jon Jones simulator
Holy shit! A collab with Dr. Raynor!? That's freaking awesome!
"You don't need to kick nuts."
"You just need to lightly graze nuts." - Eddie Murphy.
The thing with the eye poke tho is they know the opponent is trying for an eye poke so they are guarding high, if they didn't know it was coming you could drop their guard with body shots so it would be even easier than the video
I couldn't think of the video where you said "why would things get worse over time?" comparing traditional and modern, so I came here cause I thought of something:
If you take evolution as a reference, the things that get worse over time are the things we use less and less frequently; use it or lose it. The next thing is a relative perception of violence; the lower the injury/death rate is, the more attention is given to any one instance of it.... (I'm skipping some steps here) The safer the world becomes, the more rules UFC will add until it becomes what karate was a few years ago.
I only heard about this recently, but I wish I was alive during the early days of MMA cause I keep hearing we'd actually be able to see Karate and Kung fu contending with and even dominating over the other styles.
I wonder if for cage grabbing they're also worried about injuries to the fighter grabbing the cage. ik in climbing you never put your fingers in the bolts as if you fell you're at risk of degloving. it's probably not as bad with the fence but I could still see someone messing up their fingers and potentially having them degloved if a really strong wrestler tried to rip them off the fence and something got caught
In theory you could even lose a finger if it really got stuck somehow and enough force. It's definitely a part of why it's illegal
That legendary 12-6 elbow to that deaf guys eyes smh 😂
Nice vid. Eye pokes are primarily nasty when using a long guard with open hands.
Finally some one taking one for the team
"Reverse doctor" absolute beautiful terminology.
I haven't been entertained this much in a long time! 😂
I couldn't stop laughing at the groin shot segment.
I got pocked in the eye many years ago when I was first training karate as a green belt, it dropped me like a stone, from the injury I got corneal cell erosion, which is basically an ulcer growing on your cornea, its a type of bacterial infection, the upshot is I nearly lost my eye ! without treatment the ulcer would have eaten a hole in my eye and once the inner eye is exposed to the outer atmosphere the eye is gone ! I needed intense treatment, anti biotics in my eye every hour on the hour for 5 days in hospital, specialist eye unit. It healed eventually but had to scare to do so, very very luckily the scare is not in the centre of my eye so it doesn't affect my vision but if it was in the centre I'm told I'd only have 20% vision in that eye. Eye pocks are very dangerous, I would say though if it was life or death stick your finger in your attackers eye, it stopped my attack instantly !!!
That sucks, good to know it healed in the end
Some of them also do disproportionate amount of damage to the body while in the cage. Back when Some of these moves were allowed the fighters would be fine in the cage but weeks or months later some serious problems started outside of the cage later ending Some of there careers.
LOL Sensei Seth doing an oilcheck on Kevin at 7:40 hahahaha
Bro that groin shot scene killed me 😂😂
As for the biting part, I know one dude who got two fingers bitten CLEAN OFF by some crazy guy he fought over road rage nonsense. His pinky and ring finger completely severed. Like gone gone, bone and everything. The human jaw can do some nasty damage.
Human have surprisingly squishy parts. The ears are only connected by a thin layer of skin and flesh and anyone with decent grip strength could tear or rip them
The lack of padding on that head gear makes it supremely vulnerable to downward elbow strikes.
I think you'd get more eye gouges if Seth didn't know that was the target.