Detectives Discover Horrifying Secrets of Monster Mom
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- Detectives Discover Horrifying Secrets of Monster Mom
Dive into the chilling case of Victoria Martens who was murdered brutally by the very people who were meant to protect her; her mother of all people! One of the harrowing crimes that shocked Texas to its core. Join in the conversation to share your thoughts. Like, Share and Subscribe!
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Detectives Discover Horrifying Secrets of Monster Mom
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Detectives Discover Horrifying Secrets of Monster Mom
Of all the thousands of true crime stories I’ve watched in the last 30 years, this may be the worst thing I’ve ever heard!
This is where I live, ABQ, NM. I remember it happening. So sad n horrifying, I've never been the same, poor little girl. I pray her little brother is doing great and these monsters stay in prison. May God keep Victoria in His arms forever
Scrapper, same here. This is the worst.
It was a false confession. You should look deeper into this case. It was the cousin and bf that killed the little girl. This woman didnt even know what happened. That's why she was let out of prison.
@@c.5315Give us a break. This woman was clearly involved with this.
Sadly I have seen worse and heard worse except the thing I have seen have been war crimes on my babies in my family and the world sat back and watched and said it was ok actually it's do bad then things I have seen personally
12 years is actually insane, lock the judge up for 12 years
Let's also recognize this is in Texas. Not in a Liberal state. Every time it's in California they act like it's a liberal problem.
Lock me up for 12 years since i am non straight
You don’t go to jail for being gay, are you okay?? Lol being gay and being a child predator are pretty different things in my opinion.
Did you consider that the people working on the case might have access to more information than you do and they might have a very good reason for the decisions they made?
Her confession was false. Like, we know for an absolute certainty that she wasn't in the apartment when the girl died. This confession is one giant rambling lie. She did not actually do any of the things she's saying she did.
@@bleepbloop6234 did you miss the part where she offered up not one but both of her CHILDREN to be s*xually abused? On multiple occasions.. with different men she was meeting on online… what was the point of your comment do you think she deserved less time?
"After you guys cut the arms off Victoria, cut her leg off... then you went and made dinner... " might be one of the most insane things I've ever heard. Who could ever participate in dismembering their own child and then still want to eat?! I cannot fathom. And every time I think this story can't possibly get worse, it does. Poor sweet baby girl. You deserved so much better.
Idk why the creator didn’t do their homework or deliberately left out the part where nothing she said was true. It was proven she wasn’t even there
@@melodieann8443what really?
@@melodieann8443that's not true. I looked it up and I can't find that anywhere.
This is my hometown, she was cut up and burned up and SAed poor babygirl
@@conservativemamabear3508 oh it is true I just came to say the same thing. She’s not mentally well and the shrinks say she’s extremely susceptible to suggestion due to her mental illness. Notice how she says everything they suggest she agrees with she says I don’t remember and they say yes you do and then she changes it. She changes her over and over because none of it was true. In fact, her phone record and her boyfriend prove that they weren’t anywhere near the scene when killed. I write about this along time ago, but I I just looked and the stories are still out there. Why do you think she wasn’t charged with murder after I confession that?
Can someone in jail please take care of this?
Diabolical!!! big smile on my face.
I'll donate to a go fund me
@@gogogo1064 I will donate
Oh I'm sure there will, I'm sure there will....
Just a pure devil!!! 10 years old...
20 years as a police officer and a fan of true crime documentaries, this is, by far, the worst thing I've ever seen and heard.
yeah. it's up there with the one with the infant whose uncle and father took turns abusing while her mother was sleep in the same room......Nevermind I take it back. Both are horrific but SHE WATCHED????
I will never understand how a Mother could let them do this to her daughter? It's heartbreaking 😭,
Like the police are any better..😂
A FAN of true crime? Listen I’m not starting shit just to start shit.
I take constructive criticism all the time
I really believe it sounds a whole lot better to say you are INTERESTED in true crime or fascinated with the human mind of people who commit these crimes but saying you’re a FAN doesn’t sound good
I’ve had an immediate family member killed and it seems like fans cheer for sports teams or killers
@@tedmorgan4135 you dislike or hate people specifically who work as police officers? So much crime is prevented every minute all around you thanks to police. Sounds like you're a career criminal who hates getting caught and punished.
That female detective deserves an Oscar for how well she played “true sympathy “
Yesss, she really does. This woman is so set on being a victim she would have told the wall :(
I dont know how these people do this for a living, I dont have anywhere near the self control it takes to not lose your temper talking to these ANIMALS
Oscars are for liberals
NOT sure I could touch that monster of a Mom
“Victoria” reiterated and emphasized many times. Poor Victoria.
The mother receiving only a 12 year sentence has to be the most absurd thing I’ve ever heard. She tortured and voluntarily had her 10 year-old daughter sexually assaulted multiple times. And Fabian getting anything less than life is just mind blowing. Cases like these show you how broken our justice system really is.
Welcome to reality. Whoever makes a deal first benefits the most. She is scum but she didn't kill her daughter. The other two scumbags did that. The prosecution always tries to flip the weakest link to testify against the others.
@ I say the mother is just as guilty for the murder of her daughter being that she enjoyed watching her get sexually assaulted, which is what led to her death. Her mother is the only reason why she ended up being sexually abused, tortured and eventually killed.
Too bad the b**** didn't live in Florida
In Texas none the less.
Prison has its own justice, These people should get whats coming.
I remember this, this happened about a mile away from me. I went to Victoria's memorial and left her spirit a barbie doll, may her soul rest in peace.
I was thinking this happened in New Mexico not Texas?
Bless you for doing this. And may Victoria's soul now rest in peace.
@@youngdeteau1 yes it happened in New Mexico the video was wrong
I saw video where a man was jailed for 23 years for attacking a police officer and here the mother gets 12 years! American justice system is stupid !!
That's a different state and you don't attack civil agents
@@Mewsette1 Well then its all ok...
@@Mewsette1and you don’t attack a child. A police officer is armed and trained. A child is a child. Innocent. Not trained. Not armed. Children usually trust their mothers and looked how that turned out. Yes, no matter the state, these types of POS should get more than someone attacking an adult who is armed and trained
Thanks to the liberal judges and liberal minded jury members.
You vote for this. Quit it.
Honestly, I couldn't be a cop. Because I'd probably be in prison after encountering individuals like these.
Same here!
I agree 100%, someone would have to hold me back 😡
Bro just her voice alone would set me off. All this crying and sniffling like you a victim. Omg.
The primary detective who worked the Fall River Satanic murders even said "It's the worst job in the world!" when he first spoke in the documentary "Fall River".
you wouldn't do anything
The fact that none of them were charged with sexually abusing both the kids is unfucking believable!!!!
Sometimes they do that knowing the other charges would result in life to avoid the kids having to testify to prove the sexual assault.
Also if the murder conviction didn’t stick, they could go back and charge them with SA
Evil has taken over our judicial system
Yeah Exactly 😡
@@debradowner8761Yup
This monster was sex trafficking her own daughter for drugs. Fake cry makes me so sick
That sounds far more believable than the confession they got out of her. Not just her daughter either... christ that boy is scarred for life.
12 years, 37, 44, what???????? Even the deathpenalty isn't severe enough. This is pure evil.
Iets hope she gets what she deserves in prison..
A woman who was driving in the highway caught with two giant bags of pills gets 12 years vs a woman who signed many men to come in and assault her daughter while she joined in over 100-200 times (6 months to a year) concluding with her chopping her daughter up and burning her being equal?!!?
@@CherrySider she won't they protect them and the devil protects his own. She won't face true judgement till judgement day
Hell is a real place
If this isn't a life without parole or death penalty case then NOTHING ELSE can be.
That mother should have gotten jail for 100 years without parole
Just say life without parole.
This was proven a false confession by detectives
Agreed it was totally up to her to protect her children, no one else's job. She was supposed to be the Gatekeeper!! She is the most culpable. No one would have hurt her children if it weren't for her. 😢 my heart literally bleeds for those children, I am curious about her own upbringing and what her family's reaction was to this 😔
Absolutely she should be UNDER THE JAIL
D34th would be my vote.
“The fact that you’re shocked that you’re going to jail is beyond me” 😮💨👏🏼
Tremendous work to these detectives!
I really think her narcissism made her think she pulled it off and deflected all the blame 🙄🙄
appears to be tremendous work, however, would you believe that the entire confession was later determined to be all lies?
That is what the Bernalillo County District Attorney, Raúl Torrez later determined using a time line.
Supposedly the woman you just watched confess to this murder/r@pe actually had called the police 5 times to report the ongoing abuse.
In the months that followed, cell phone records and eyewitness accounts established that Ms. Martens was not home when her daughter died and therefore could not have participated in or witnessed Victoria's s3xual assault and subsequent murder.
@@burtreynolds3143 what !!??
@@burtreynolds3143 BS
It is so mind blowing that this POS said that the whole group SAed these children, killed the little girl, dismembered her body and then the MOTHER (and I use that word to identify the person I am referring to because she was absolutely not a mother) went and made tacos and ate dinner. This POS had the guts to say she only ate one taco because she nauseous from what happened to her child! I am so disgusted by this person’s actions. My father passed me around to his friends for years…I have children and I could never imagine hurting my babies. I really don’t understand how any adult finds sexual gratification in the abuse of a child. It is mind numbing and nauseating! I truly don’t understand this. The mother should have gotten life without parole! None of this happens without her guiding it! It’s absolutely disgusting!!!
I am sorry your dad did that to you
@ thank you! I don’t let my past invade my present! I just used that to illustrate. Thank you so much for saying that!
UNWANTED erection strikes again during a church service. ERECT shaft pops up so aggressively that it poked a hole in a man's pants!
You're very strong and brave. You're an amazing mother protecting your babies❤ @@Rebornation0712
I love how the female detective keeps calling the victim Victoria.. Not dehumanizing her by calling her "the body" 💔
I appreciated that, too. That poor little girl deserves to be remembered as a human being.
Why would she do that anyways?
She's also playing on the mother's emotions by continuing to use Victoria's name. It makes it harder for her to distance herself from the victim.
Who would call a dead little girl « the body » 😮 it’s awful
They use "the body" as a way to detach the suspects emotions from the case. The detective did great choosing to use her emotions Instead. Colder individuals tho, would pull away from admitting they killed a little girl. But if it's just "a body" it doesn't sound horrifying to some.
I’m suddenly feeling extremely grateful for having loving parents when I was a kid.
Exactly.
@MontagZoso Michelle is a victim in this. None of this story is being told in truth. It was a false confession. Jessica beat Michelle and she didn't know her child was murdered until the cousin was helping dismember the body. Dna was not any of them. Jessica was with someone in apartment when this took place. She never gave the person up.
@All5AJz you know this how?
@gromer-v8s my cousin testified in the trail. Sabrina.
I saw Victoria when I would go visit.
She would help push my cousin who was disabled.
I meet Jessica in war zone in Albuquerque.
If you read the case files you find out the truth on all sides... try the trail.
@All5AJzUh, yeah. Riiigght. Sorry, no. You must be a relative of Michelle or something. Give us all a break.
I’m a man in my 30’s and I never get upset, but this right here, I’m crying for these kids. This breaks my heart into tiny pieces. Rest in peace little girl, you’ll never be forgotten.
Men still have emotions.
@bparkhill9572 of course they do. Did you not know that they are also humans?
I feel like vomiting, and my heart aches. How is it possible for someone to hold a job while clearly appearing to have a mental illness, and what kind of mental illness could this be, according to psychologists?
Why don’t we require permits or certificates before having children? After six to twelve thousand years of human civilization, why do we still reproduce without any rules or regulations, like wild animals?
Meanwhile, people like Trump and Elon Musk encourage others to have more children.
Beyond frustrating to think of the feelings they went through🤬🤬
I am glad that you feel this way it means you care and it doesn’t matter how old you are this one will hurt and anger real men and women! Those babies deserved so much more! The fact that that poor excuse for a mother tried to blame the biological father of hurting his son and Victoria really angered me! I’m glad the detectives seen right through her crap! ❤
The mother crying @26:00 , infuriated me so much . Why is she crying now ? She never shed a tear at any point of her young daughters torture , I cant stand to see her crying now .. as if she has a soul . RIP , sweet angel Victoria .
She probably needs her fix, that womans morals and conscience are completely gone.. if she ever had any in the first place.
well it's a fake confession... so
Shes pissing me off with all that crying because she wasn't crying when she did that to her child
I got 3 mins into it and had to stop her fake ass tears are infuriating
@SimplyWhitney_AssuredGuidance she didn't do that to her child. This is a fake confession. Just Wikipedia the case.
It's really irresponsible of this video creator to make this video. 10 mins of research, and he would have learned this is a false confession.....and not a BS Central Park 5 "false confession," an actual false confession. The prosecutor openly says as much in the trial, hence why she only got 12 years for child neglect leading to death.
@@dukedematteo1995 I swear some of these channels love women being evil (those cases get a lot of clicks), so now they're resorting to just posting fake confessions
Did you notice that moment when the male officer takes the tissue box off the table. She was clearly using the tears as an attempt for sympathy and he subtly let her know he didn't buy it for a second. Taking away her option, symbolically.
Boss move.
That guy was millimeters away from going all Bruce Wayne, putting a chair against the door and discovering a disappointing malfunction in the closed circuit camera system.
Only thing that was putting the brakes on that was the knowledge of the 4th guy.
This is why women choose the bear
Im a 44 year old man. Ive watched a million of these videos. I never cry.
I cried this entire video. Those poor children.
Yeah and the mom gets out next year
I am shocked. This is the most disturbing things I’ve heard. And I can from watching the Al McLean story. I didn’t think anything could top that. Meth is one of the most effed up drugs on this planet. Speechless 😶
So unbelievably sad
Think it's high on the list of the worst cases I have ever heard. Utterly heartbreaking for both children.
12 years for that beech does not cut it. That's infuriating.
@@wesleydeer889Makes me sick.
I'll never understand why we allow these predators to stay alive. This angers me so much!!!!!
They are gonna get out too... wow. It's always like this when they do it to kids. It tells you how corrupt our government is
Because our system is run by those that abuse kids
Me too the bastards I wouldn’t be able to interview these people without ending up in jail for murder !!!!!!!!!
I feel like all of these S.A cases are just a slap on the wrist. These people are sick especially the mother I don't understand how someone could do such a thing to their own baby 😡
Demographics. Gotta let minorities harm the average American family. Our elites hate us
In one of Chris Hansen's cases a guy has got 10 years for only chatting with a decoy, he didn't even appear for a meeting. And here we have 12 years in prison for that monster.
Sells Mary Jane 25 to 50 years with maybe chance of parole. Does unspeakable inhumane disgusting things to her children, 12 years. Wow. I think this place needs a factory reset. It's too far gone.
Exactly!!!!
America sure does.
@@Schrodingers_KatDunning Kruger in full effect with you.
thank the 80s and the war on drugs. 😢
@@SpicyTexan64 because they pointed out or agreed with a proven ongoing disparity between sex crime prison time and cannabis “crimes” ?
That’s not dunning Kruger mate.
Tossing out a kneejerk ad hominem bc someone said something negative about America is pretty extra.
IT'S STORIES LIKE THIS...
Makes me appreciate Dexter's strong work ethic.
Sometimes, I wish he was real dude.
Agree!
Same. I do not understand how people like these are allowed to live.
I got to agree with with you and this might be the worse than any of the stuff on Dexter I can't stand her crying it was hard trying to sit through this you just chopped up my daughter want some tacos f****** sick to my stomach
@@Genethug187This is a false confession. The detectives manipulated a mentally ill, traumatised and highly suggestive person into giving them this confession. The prosecutor Torres made a timeline, where there’s cctv footage of her and fabian not even being at the house at the time of the murder. It’s on wikipedia and multiple articles. Thats why she only got 12 years for neglect and not murder.
Yessssss!!!
I would have died protecting my child... protecting my children.
💯
Me too!!!
Damn right. A couple days after Xmas, I saved my daughter (and myself) from a house fire. My right arm is barely usable right now, but I'd do it all over again.
Plus some decent time off work.
Ps. The house was saveable, we've just lost 1 room until I recover.
This is what i thought every single parent feels once they be come parents as a kid. i was very wrong
I would die protecting my dogs
I love that the cop keeps saying Victorias name. She keeps it personal to the mom instead of letting the mom separate herself for it all.
To call these individuals animals is an insult to animals..there r no words..
Straight evil
Monsters.
Creatures.
Demons.
There's other words ma'am.
💯
in animal kingdom mothers gv their life to protect kids
@@Tiggy195demons for sure vile demons
They were cutting her leg off, then I went in the kitchen to make dinner? WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK.???!
Right
But she only ate one taco
Her arms are missing. I feel like they may have eaten parts of her . 😢
Yeah I was stunned when she said that.
This was proven to be a false confession.
4:25 p.m.: Victoria Martens gets off the bus & goes home. Michelle and Fabian aren’t present at this time.
5:07 p.m.: Michelle & Fabian return to the apartment.
6:05 p.m.: Victoria goes to gas station with Fabian.
6:15 to 6:20 p.m.: Victoria and Fabian return to the apartment.
6:30 p.m.: Michelle & Fabian leave and go to Paradise Hills.
7:02 p.m.: Michelle & Fabian return to the apartment.
7:05 p.m.: Victoria is seen alive by neighbors.
7:06 p.m.: Michelle and Fabian leave again.
7:38 p.m.: Michelle and Fabian are near Rio Bravo Boulevard and Coors Boulevard.
7:59 p.m.: Michelle and Fabian are seen near Five Points and Bridge Boulevard.
8:47 p.m.: Michelle and Fabian arrive at the apartment.
8:48 p.m.: Eyewitnesses say Victoria’s body is seen being carried outside the apartment.[2][a]
Torrez said this proves Martens and Gonzales were not present when the murder and rape occurred.[3] Subsequently, Torrez announced nine of the charges against Fabian Gonzales including second-degree murder and criminal sexual penetration were dropped.[2] Gonzales faced a series of charges including child abuse resulting in death and tampering with evidence of which he was found guilty.[2][3] Michelle Martens is believed to have falsely confessed to actively participating in the murder.[2] Martens was sentenced to 12 years in prison.
Let’s take a moment to appreciate our loving and protective parents
@@UnaNerea this makes me a little more forgiving towards my bat shyte crazy mother, she was an angel compared to this one.
@@samanthabenavides4319mine too
And appreciate those of us who won’t hurt children nor bring more into this wicked world.
@CarmenBelcher appreciate people who won't bring children into the world?
Close but definitely no cigar, compared to these parents apparently mine weren't so horrible
That poor girl went through hell...the lord brought her home so he could end her suffering
The mom actually deserved the heaviest sentence her job was to protect her children and not only did she not protect them she handed them off to sick monsters to have their way with them and WATCHED. These child abuse cases are getting worse and more frequent we need to do something to protect these children from their own parents 😔 the devil is real and he is alive in these monsters.
I agree I'm livid at such vile acts towards kids 😢
Absolutely agree 100%
You are right on everything!!
That's the worst part about it though. HOW can children EVER be safe from their own evil parents? Good parents can protect their children, but any evil person can have a child 💔 The damage has to already been done to even SAVE a child. It's devastating
Even someone hated Victoria they would treat her better than this
Ew I couldn’t do this job. Having to sit there and baby her, tell her she’s a good mom, tell her it’s not her fault. Bro I couldn’t do that.
Same.
Moms are the worst. I was 7/8 and a childhood playmates mom would do things to us and put her fingers in us and I knew 3 other moms that did similar things and that’s just who I knew in my town!! Let alone all over the world!? Stay at home moms are bored and weird and do crazy things to us kids. I will not be lied to and fooled and smoke screened about men. Men work all day, moms are home changing kids and doing pool dates and things and seeing us naked and touching all the time! This lame lie about women fairer sex and chit is the biggest charade and fake cover for pedophilia in history. I swear the next big scandal to break after these priests is going to be stay at home moms! Bored weirdo frustrated creepy moms!!! If she wasn’t touching us she was having us touch each other and telling us what to do and look at and change clothes and shower and all sorts of creep! When I hear the word creep I think stay at home mom! Talk about sticky fingers!!! That’s what a stay at home mom is!!! 🫣🤮
It's absolutely horrid, they're ensuring victims get justice and future victims don't become hurt. i too can't imagine the emotional work, i know my sis as a psych has a lot of burdens of wanting to help others and feeling unable to.
i agree it's unimaginable but the detectives are working damned hard to ensure people get justice and nobody gets hurt again 🥺
This story made me so sad my heart aches
Cops really good liars, manipulative, actors , they are basically sociopaths.
I’m a 39 year old man from Africa. A lot of bad stuff happens here, just like anywhere else in the world. But this is by far one of the most, if not the most shocking, despicable, vilest things I have seen on here. My blood is literally boiling right now, every minute of this feels like my faith is being tested. The whole thing is so unreal and infuriating to watch! I really wish Fabian, Michelle Jessica and David, and anyone else involved the worst fate possible. RIP Victoria
You'll be surprised how much horrible stuff goes down here in the states
Calm yourself; the confession can't be trusted, as there is substantial evidence neither Michelle nor Fabian were actually at the apartment at the time of Victoria's death. Do a web search, see for yourself.
Heartbreaking 💔
There’s some many people in states that one of the reasons there is so many bad people…..
False confession. Do a web search, see for yourself.
"i'm worried about my life too" yeah allow me to shed a tear
I am a 51-year-old man. I have seen some pretty effed up crime videos, but nothing has ever broke me the way this video broke me. I’m Sitting here in tears, my heart is completely broken for these poor children.
Me too, I feel so sick but I’m so happy Victoria is in heaven now 😭
Supposedly this was a “False confession”??? Idk for sure but a few people are commenting on other post that it was…….I don’t believe that “everything” she said was a lie……there had
To be some truth to all that!! Smh….🤦🏻♀️
So you silence when they say “meth” but everything else, ( explicit details of sexual assault and dismemberment = totally fine)?? I don’t get it.🙄
demons, demons
@@jcutler2011 Yes!! Came here to say that. I'm a mother and there's no way that I can imagine myself in her shoes. That poor little girl.. May she rest in peace . I hope her brother is ok and is getting therapy for his trauma. I hope and pray he has a long, good life from here on out.
I am 42 years old with 3 of my own children, and I would lay my own life down for not only my babies, but for ANY child! I seriously cannot wrap my mind around how people like this monster even exist! It makes me want to vomit to hear that this happened and does happen! It isn’t human, it’s monstrous! 🥺
I can agree with giving my life for my children and my grandchildren - but strange children?!
Sorry, no - I don‘t want my own family to suffer from missing me….
I am absolutely with you and everything you just said I have two children and the only way something like that would happen to them and see if I was dead! In other words, you will have to kill me before you hurt my children in any way!
@Did you know that there are people who actually put their own lives on the line everyday for not just children, but others in general? They’re called policemen, firefighters, and soldiers.
@@IZaubermausI
It's one thing to not want to go to that extent but to actually admit it like it's a flex?
If tomorrow your family member faces this situation when you aren't around, but a 'STRANGER' saves them..... would you go and scold them cuz they weren't caring about their own families??
Hypocrite world.
@@IZaubermausIi don’t want kids and actually find them annoying. But i know dam well if i was her i would do anything i could to save an innocent human, disgusting
. i would never live with myself if i didn’t try. she could have grabbed something and got them off her. gross
You’re fucked anytime a detective says “I don’t care about the marijuana”
lol... interesting point
💯 !
even more fucked when they say they dont care about the meth
It’s not marijuana they’re talking about , it’s meth
Right?....
The justice system is a joke... I'm in Europe, but I got 14 months in prison for moving away from my then 4 year old son's drugdealing, abusive father (who hadn't met him in over a year, and wasn't involved at all). Then, they granted sole custody to him once I was arrested.
Despite me providing past police reports, screenshots, and text messages detailing his abusive behavior, as well as his involvement in drugs. He only wanted my boy after he found out he wouldn't be granted a prolongation of his residency unless he could prove he had part in the custody regularly.
He went to cry to the CPS claiming I was withholding my son from him, and that I was abusive (claimed I regularly abused my son and on top of it that I stabbed my ex with a knife! Despite no police report or hospital records, not to mention the absurdity of the statement, they just swallowed it). Despite me showing them that I had literally begged him 100 times to stay in touch with his child through the years, and even paid him to come visit.
My son developed an extreme separation anxiety due to this, and would always ask me over and over if I'll ever leave him too. I kept reassuring him that I i never would. Crying as I'm typing this. I'm constantly wondering what he's thinking, how abandoned he must feel, after me always reassuring him I'd never leave his side - and then I was gone.
I haven't seen my boy in almost 2 years... The retrial is due in a few months. I hope the original sentence is overturned and I'm finally reunited with my son. Wish me luck guys.
These people have absolutely no soul
They aren’t even human
I’d say demon passion is on the table 😳😳😳
Demons
No, they are humans, this is what humans do to each other, we can't blame demons or gods on this sort of thing it is all us.
12 years? 12 fucking years only? I hate this place!
The Judge should get his! This is so wrong
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 ME 2!!!!
It felt longer then 12 years watching this horrendous crap. How the actual f. So disgusting. I hate it as well
The missing perp is prob the judge
@ doxpin7432
Exactly 👍
detective is so talented. the way she kept saying “victoria…your BABY GIRL” & “this is your baby girl victoria we are talking about here” very skilled interrogation technique!
Not to be mean cause she did really well overall but this beast of a mother doesnt care one bit about her children. Its sickening how vile and evil some "people" can be.
@@michaelboerlage7988getting her to lie is just as important if not more so then telling the truth in a situation like this. Not about her caring it’s about sending signals subconsciously and allowing them to react.
This turned out to be a false confession
She never let Victoria’s name get lost or missed or forgotten.
This was amazing. Making sure this awful human could not ignore that it was her child.
Every time I start to feel mom guilt, these videos boost my confidence
❤❤❤ youre doing great
“I was so sick to my stomach ..I only ate one taco 🌮”💀💀💀
Wow Just wow.
20:48 omg 😟 what a sociopath
I just can not comprehend this at all. Make me so sick to my stomach. Just pure evil.
Right!
I spotted that too, like what a pathetic way to try and garner sympathy "Poor me, I could only eat one taco"
that was crazy 😅.... I- I am speechless
You are one special person to be able to sit there and hold a monsters hand and coddle her just so you could find out the horrific truth...Bless that poor sweet little girl, the Detectives as well.
i bet that female detective cried hard after this,and hugged her loved ones al the more tighter.
It’s how she got the most information and therefore the truth and most justice for Victoria. All she was thinking about was Victoria. To lie to this monster and play a part to get that truth is all she was thinking about.
@@liminal-cc3go Yep!
I also loved the way the male detective kept removing the box of tissues off the table. Reminds me of an interrogation where they just doled out a couple of sheets of toilet paper to someone who was false sobbing. A small revenge, but telling!
@@sheilaboston7051 HAHA yes!
The female lead detective is worth her weight in gold. So clever and strategic.
Always great to watch a real expert at work.
Based on all the lies the "mother" told even after she had been caught lying, I'll bet there's even more horrific nightmares that weren't mentioned in this youtube clip. Seeing the photos of that poor little girl and also knowing about what these monsters did to her brother also is just too horrific to even comprehend.
One of the best interrogators I’ve see.
Stroke stroke stroke. Always gotta have 97 comments like this when it’s a woman lol shocker
Great interrogation but I bet the officers were as disgusted as we all are at the 12 year sentence. Justice system is pathetic
@@CluntBaby89... the hell are you babbling about?
The detectives have amazing patience and strength to keep calm 🙏🏽
"The fact that you're shocked is beyond me", when the male officer says this it was amazing 😂
This happened in Albuquerque, NM. Almost nine years have gone by and till this day, I think about Victoria often. What a beautiful girl she is. Rest in peace, Beautiful Angel.
♥️
I'm still wondering who that unknown male DNA belongs to. It smells of cover up and I want to know who they are covering for!
So the mother is getting realeased soon? WTF!
@@sykoteddysadly yes!
@@stormimiller2923 the unknown stranger I believe is made up
Im in NM too. So disgusted with our Justice system.
She's only crying for herself not that precious little girl.
The tears are not real at all. They are fake and the detectives deserve a medal for being capable of listening to her insincere sniveling without resorting to violence. Hats off.
@angelicab5878 This is a fake confession. None of this happened.
Look into it. This is an infamous false confession now. The detectives have been criticised for their sick imaginations! They suggested & she agreed because she’s extremely vulnerable!
@suzimonkey345 It would have taken the video creator 10 mins to research the case and find out everything this woman said was BS. The woman wasn't at the apt when her daughter was murdered, and she never let men have seggs with the daughter.
She still really screwed up by having these ex con drug addicts around and it cost her daughter her life.
And because she's coming down off all that METHAMPHETAMINE they were doing. Makes ppl super emotional when coming down. Meth makes MOST people EVIL.
She was from Albuquerque. I remember that day, I drove by that apartment after class. I also met all three of them when I was trying to work at the jail in Albuquerque. Michelle was in the psych ward just talking, laughing, and giggling away.
As a father i must commend how these detectives kept their cool. Excellent work for such a saddening event.
I just was talking to my husband about how they could keep their composure after hearing her admit to all that.
I do not have the restraint, I would have been over that table once she confessed to her being assaulted!!
I literally just about beat the crap out of druggie neighbor for his dog biting my 20yr old. After us telling him day after day his dog was going to bite someone. My 6'2 280lb brother had to pull my 5ft 120lbs off of him!
I couldn't imagine if I walked in on someone hurting not just my babies but any child!!
12yrs is and insult to Victoria!!
Her shocked face at the fact she was going to jail was nuts!
They did amazing. I couldn't have been in the same room. My emotions would have had me all over the place 😢🤬
As a 30 year true crime vet...this is the most disturbing case I've encounterredd.
yes, same here, even before the Net,i would consume book and mag subscription, i thought id seen it all. yet this is a whole new level of horror.
You have plenty more to watch then
This is awful.
It’s actually demonic
This is the one that disturbed me the most. It kept me from sleeping at night. Horrifying!
How the heck were they not charged with capital murder? They should all be locked up without any chance of ever being released. The mother got 12 years!? What a disgrace.
I am sure that government such as social worker etc was involved, they always neglected the situations😢
I hope she received some justice at the hands of mothers among the prisoners.
@@jjwatcher not just mothers, at times especially not the mothers!
Because there is no justice, this things will continue to happen
Because it was proven that this was a false confession, and neither the mother or boyfriend were even home when the murder happened
She bails on her daughter when shes alive. Then leaves her when she dies PERFECT!!!!!
I’m a school counselor and this is my biggest fear…I know some of my students don’t have the perfect lives but it scares me to think one of them, or more, go home to a house of terror. The one time a student came forward, the judge wouldn’t listen to anything she said and made her still visit dad. Thankfully, that man OD’d a year later so she was free from him. I’ve never cried so hard as a counselor than I did the day I went to court for her because I felt like I failed her. The courts failed this child too because those monsters deserve life behind bars.
Rest Peacefully, sweet Victoria… I’m so sorry you weren’t shown the love you deserved on earth but may you know unconditional love and protection in heaven. ❤️
The police never believed my 3 girls age 3,8,12
Wish I had a teacher like u
Please tell me you're not a woke counselor?
@@Greg-eg3tfyour a creep and bet a pervert - your sick -
@@lollife2023how can that be - your poor girls -
I threw up listening to this. I'm not an emotional person but I completely broke down and sobbed for a good 20 minutes. It doesn't get any worse than this. I can't find the words right now. May her soul Rest in Peace 🙏🙏
I didn’t see your post & said basically same thing. I threw up. I cried & felt so distraught & disgusted 😢
Ohh but it does get worse than this sadly. Much worse.
Yep. I literally threw up in my mouth.
I too am distraught this is so insane! 😩
After reading the comment about 12 yrs and 12:32 in i have to throw in the towel on this one. As a mother of a daughter i absolutely can't even bring myself to sit through this one 😭😭😭 R.I.P Victoria, I am so sorry that you weren't protected and I am sorry for whatever horrible things happened to you. 🥺🥺🙏🏽💔
Hands down the most horrific account of assault and torture that I’ve ever heard and I am a nurse I’ve heard it all. There is a special place deep in hell for this mother. No words!
Hell only exists for weak souls.
Thats no mother that's a monster
Don’t think he’ll has a place for her even devil himself probably wouldn’t let her in there he probably scared of her too
More worried about drugs than a dismembered child? That's a new level of fuckedupness.
That's because charges for drugs are more harsh than for child abuse!!
@Bettinasisrg Another level right?
She wasn't worried about drugs she just needed an excuse for not calling the police besides "I participated". The drugs were also a convenient excuse for her death as well. She has reached top tier fuckedupness. There are no more levels beyond her.
you fell for her lies. She wasn't afraid of being caught with drugs. That was part of her lie before she knew they knew about her orchestrating all of the abuse.
💯‼️😡
The lady who did this interrogation was freaking amazing! I love how she struck when she needed to! Amazing work
😢 Look into it. This is an infamous false confession now. The detectives have been criticised for their sick imaginations! They suggested & she agreed because she’s extremely vulnerable!
@@suzimonkey345really ?
This case is why women choose the bear
@@suzimonkey345 What the hell is wrong with you?
This really messed me UP!! But knowing Matthew has a present and loving father who was ALSO trying to save Victoria I cannot imagine him watching this and HEARING what this evil thing allowed to happen to either of those babies. And making tacos after dismembering your child then having intercourse with the man who murdered her 20 minutes later….. my brain like gut cannot comprehend that
I cannot believe the mother only got 12 years! Unbelievable! RIP Victoria
Disgusting. They get more time for selling weed. Smh
I couldn't watch the whole thing but reading this comment made me sick! 12 years. That poor baby didn't even get to live 12 years. F her man!!! Special place in hell!
Death penalty, the crime was horrible! JUSTICE WAS DENIED FOR VICTORIA SHAME THE LAW.
It's disgusting to think the mother could walk freely in this world. No justice at all.
It’s because this was a false confession for some reason. the mother was very low IQ. She and the boyfriend weren’t even there.
12 freaking years!?! She had s@x with him after he did that to her daughter!? I cannot even comprehend what this woman allowed to happen.
Victoria, I pray that you are filled with the joy and peace of heaven. ❤
Bunch of peds handing down these sentences.
And they won't ever stop her from having more kids..I mean making more victims.
Wow 😢!!!
@@Loralanthalas and she made dinner as they cut up her daughter! 12 years. Unbelievable.
The US treat women as children, why do you think they act so immature on social media today. Its all white american women. And its from both blue and red states. The women here in my country are polite and kind, you wont find another country where so many have these type of attitudes
12 years????? The Judicial System IS SCREWED UP!!!! That is not justice for VICTORIA!!!! This is the most disgusting true crime case I have ever watched I was speechless and in shock -- Rest In Peace Angel
Better than what she would get here in the UK, she’d probably get 3 yrs our legal sentencing is a joke
I hope she meet someone real moms in prison
Judge most likely has same interests as those jailed!
Whoever posted this video didn’t do the research because this was proven to be a false confession as crazy as that sounds. The mother and boyfriend weren’t even home when any of this happened.
I agree! This is the most horrific thing I've ever heard. It's more than disgustingly disturbing! That poor innocent child! RIP VICTORIA 💔
I was about 10yrs old when I was molested, I am in my late 50's now and I can assure you everything that was around me in the place it happened is as clear now as it was on that day and I still have tears now, but you do move on with your life it just always has a place in your head.
Sending you healing 💛
Me to hun me to
It’s amazing that ANYONE can have children but you need a license to fish….WOW!!!!!
EXACTLY.
It's because people can't be stopped from doing the nasty but they can be stopped from catching 100s of fish a day a dozen people do it then no more fish
So so true...
No Sh$*.
That's an amazing way of illustrating things. Wow. That makes it really sound absurd. And for good reason. Because it is.
"How you are shocked that you're being arrested is beyond me." Thank you, detective. 👏👏👏
Did she really think that if she wasn't the one who physically killed her or r*ped her she was in the clear???
The mom is fucking Crazy WOW Chilling l want to Throw up God Jesus bless This Angel Victoria in your protection now
I can not imagine the pain that little girl felt every time a man violated her body. The fear in her heart, mind, and body of the woman who was supposed to protect her, giving her away to men. Death was her only peace, which is the saddest thing to say. This video gave me chills. I feel so bad for her son. He will forever be traumatized and not trusting of people because of his evil mother giving him away to strange men to be violated. People like this do not deserve to breathe air.
Her beatiful baby girl 💔 my daughter is 10 yo...RIP angel. God help these people, let them feel the gravity of this decision every hour of everyday. ✝️
This case makes me so angry. After this detailed confession, the DA turned around & said 'oh, most of that stuff's actually not even true' & let her plead out to 'neglect resulting in death' with a measly 12yr sentence after she already had 6yrs behind her. Sickening
I can't fathom how desensitised a judge must be to aware this woman a mere 12 years!
I hope they give her prison justice since she never gets out
Truly sadistic EVIL
A detailed FALSE confession
But her confession was proven false. It was proven that the mother and her boyfriend were not in the house at the time of the SA and murder.
10 years old :( The saddest part is knowing a kid of that age knows what loves is, knows what hate is, knows what pain is, knows what betrayal is! She would have been thinking, if not asking "Mum please help me, Stop them please!". This just makes me so sick to my stomach. That poor little girl, I hope the poor little baby didn't have to suffer with this stuff for long but unfortunately it sounds like that little girl endured this kind of sick stuff her whole life! :( RIP Victoria, you were done so wrong in such a short amount of life. Terror is what she lived.
This was proven to be a false confession.
4:25 p.m.: Victoria Martens gets off the bus & goes home. Michelle and Fabian aren’t present at this time.
5:07 p.m.: Michelle & Fabian return to the apartment.
6:05 p.m.: Victoria goes to gas station with Fabian.
6:15 to 6:20 p.m.: Victoria and Fabian return to the apartment.
6:30 p.m.: Michelle & Fabian leave and go to Paradise Hills.
7:02 p.m.: Michelle & Fabian return to the apartment.
7:05 p.m.: Victoria is seen alive by neighbors.
7:06 p.m.: Michelle and Fabian leave again.
7:38 p.m.: Michelle and Fabian are near Rio Bravo Boulevard and Coors Boulevard.
7:59 p.m.: Michelle and Fabian are seen near Five Points and Bridge Boulevard.
8:47 p.m.: Michelle and Fabian arrive at the apartment.
8:48 p.m.: Eyewitnesses say Victoria’s body is seen being carried outside the apartment.[2][a]
Torrez said this proves Martens and Gonzales were not present when the murder and rape occurred.[3] Subsequently, Torrez announced nine of the charges against Fabian Gonzales including second-degree murder and criminal sexual penetration were dropped.[2] Gonzales faced a series of charges including child abuse resulting in death and tampering with evidence of which he was found guilty.[2][3] Michelle Martens is believed to have falsely confessed to actively participating in the murder.[2] Martens was sentenced to 12 years in prison.
@@MsBabyKayHow do you have all this knowledge? Did you tell the police? Where you there?
I cant even imagine what that little angel went thru😢 betrayed & let down by EVERYONE💔
@ Could you send a link to where you got all that info please?
@ do I have to be in the twin towers on 9/11 to know it happened? Jesus Christ
My grandma always told me to not fear the dead, it’s always the ones who are alive you must be scared of.
She was correct.
My Father said the same thing
Why would you fear dead people?
My daughters get scared of the dark or so called monsters and I’ve repeated it so many times that now I always say the real monsters are and they finish by saying the bad people that are walking on this earth. I talk to them about SA and always tell them it doesn’t discriminate and it can be anyone. Even someone you love. If they want to keep a secret from mommy that’s a first sign and you need to tell me immediately because no matter what they say even if they say they can hurt me they’re lying. I’m not scared and they can’t. They can’t sleep over anywhere and I always ask them about school and other situations to remind them always I have their back.
MY MOM SAID THAT TOO!!!!!
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As a mom this is sickening and heartbreaking on so many levels. I could never sit back and watch someone harm one of my kids. I would go insane and not be able to hold back taking justice into my own hands. These criminals deserve to never see the light of day again.
This didn't happen, if you google this you'll see it's a false confession
@@kidstuff44555 BS! You Google it and you'll see that she as sentenced to 12 yrs in prison for this. And she used Plenty of Fish to find the men to SA her.
What do you mean it's a false confession? @@kidstuff44555
@kidstuff44555 so what happened ?
@@hayamousa5085 Because detectives botched this case by relying on this manipulated confession, the case was never solved. Neither the mother interviewed here, nor her boyfriend, were at home during the murder. An unknown man's DNA was found on the girl. The boyfriend's sister was at home and probably knows more than she's telling (which is why she recieved the longest sentence). There is no evidence that the mother ever pimped her daughter out for sex, in fact POF allowed police to trawl her accounts and nothing was found.
12 years only!!??? Even the judge deserves to be locked up .
Insane
That's because some get their karma in hell.
@bubbalew1 no they needed Instant Karma not stay alive and get out and cause the same trauma to other children 131
Because this interogation was all lies. What happened is aweful, but she was not there when the child was killed. Why she would make this up, I have no idea, but all you have to do is look the case up.
But this is why women choose the bear.
This is 100% the worst thing I have ever heard on UA-cam. I cannot understand how people can do these horrible things to children. I hope they all suffer terribly for a very long time. My God, I cannot believe this is real.
For me, Timothy Ferguson's story is the worst because his agony lasted 7 months.
His repulsive, demonic egg donor is responsible for having starved and tortured him.
She'll never get out of prison thankfully, Judge Kacel put her away forever.
I am with you, hoping this isn’t real. Beyond horrible! Mother’s love is the strongest, making Tiger Moms and Bear Moms. How could she, how could she be the instigator and mother at the same time?! I wish I had not seen this 🤮🤮🤮
@@abelis644Stephen Hill... His parents chained him to the cabinets with Chain ran through a pipe. They starved him to death because , he was"sneaking food in the night" then when his fat ass mama was imprisoned in Galveston Texas she had the nerve to complain that the portions of the meals the (same ones they give everybody) weren't enough for her.
It’s real and it happens everyday. Until we as a collective species do something about it, it will keep happening over and over and over again. Perhaps when all of humanity unites in anger and finally does something, maybe it will stop. This has been happening for 400 years and won’t stop until you decide to act.
It isn't real, this is a false confession. The woman was highly suggestible and just said what the police wanted
women protecting this thing is literally insane. WOMEN ARE DEFENDING THIS THING. I hate my gender sometimes. this thing understood wtf she was doing and still did it. wtf.
She’s literally trying to protect all these predators, something she didn’t even do for her children. Sickening 🤮
Welp. Usual suspects for these kinda crimes
@@OrlandoJohnson-z2k what, like the pakistani muslims in the uk?
@@OrlandoJohnson-z2kfacts!
@imobjectivelybalancedonTHEball why are you flipping this? 😂
@@therealfatou what am i flipping? in the uk they're the usual suspects, which you seem to find amusing, are you also enabling, & protecting predators?
The fact that you’re surprised you’re going to jail is beyond me
Welp usual suspects
I know someone who just got out a man. A biker who served 28 years for marijuana let that sink in.....
The system is fcked up
Well they freely state "After you guys cut the arms off" but then bleep out the sound and caption for mar***ana so YT doesn't strike the vid. Some crazy sentencing. Some crazy censorship. Some crazy world!
Fk the system
Right what the actual fuck
That's so sad. Our system is insane.
I am 49 years old, and this is the most disturbing case I have ever watched. I should stop watching documentaries like this. I don't feel all right at the moment. I am so sorry for the girl. God, she was so innocent and so beautiful. She should have waited for someone to rescue her. The society failed to protect that lovely girl. This is all our fault. We adults should be more careful about other children.
Hard to believe a mother that is supposed to give her own life, for her child, can something so DEMONIC.
The female detective is absolutely amazing. She has so much skill. She knew what to say and when to say it. I am so disturbed becauae each time i thought it could not get worse, it did. It got worse with every sentence she said. And 12 years? What?? Even with an admission pf guilt id give her 50 years. This little sweet beautiful girl. To know her mother is in the same room with the monster that is attacking her. I cannot even imagine this. 💔💔
Not only did she leave her kids with monsters, she WAS the monster and invited other monsters to enact some truly vile shit on those poor kids.
I'm hugging my daughter a little tighter tonight. God bless
and she was watching :(
Where’s the son?
12 years 😭 This is the saddest story I have ever heard and I've seen a lot.
I’m just completely confused how in our world there was a man who went to prison for 25 years for just having a joint on him to the drug addict who is suffering from years of abuse and using methamphetamines to dull the pain and getting sent to 45 years to life for drugs. Then we have people like this who can take a life of a child and torture them and sexually assault just because an even murder these precious babies and they get 12 years or 44 years. I’m just done. I won’t understand ever.
Thank a democrat.
Oh Jessica, you don’t understand? Lemme help you out. She’s WHITE! A white woman did this. So the punishment was lenient. Why don’t you go out and discover for yourself. Go run and red light in front of a cop. Hike your skirt up a bit. You’ll get out of it.
Exactly!! It’s insane that someone can commit a nonviolent offense and get thrown in jail for longer than this woman did!! This woman is pure evil and only gets 12 years??? 😡😡😡
@@Hayotowinexactly
I am a drug user who's been to jail and over weed roaches and I've been to jail many times and targeted over my record of substance abuse ... but someone I know went to jail for robing a store. And out in 2 months....and known to have killed someone. Maybe he switched I don't know... but ... i think our justice system is so frustrating. I done more jail time in one sitting over drug abuse than this actual criminal.
I'm thinking about how her son must feel knowing that she only is getting 12 years jail for standing by while his sister was killed and knowing she encouraged all this including drugging and having him assaulted too. This is so unfair to him too.
This is why kids don’t report it ! They kno the system will put them back in the home !!!!
Jesus Christ. As a former police officer, I’ve seen a lot. I haven’t see anything like this.
Yeah, the confession can't be trusted. Cell phone records supposedly indicate neither Fabian nor Michelle were actually at the apartment at the time of Victoria's death, directly contradicting this horrific confession. Do a web search to learn the rest of the story.
I love the detective's response to "I have not been sexually assaulting my daughter." OMG
Can meth do this to an otherwise normal person?
OMG speechless, this women is worse than evil, she makes serial killers look tame
This "mother" should have received life with no parole and she certainly should not be allowed to have any more kids.
Breeder more like
@@sutty85 egg donor.
She didn't actually do these things, it was all made up
Not mother, Momster
Mom was hungry for tacos within hours of her 10 year old girls death and dismemberment. Some of us lose weight from grief because we can't think about eating. Not her.
It is unfathomable to think that a woman who gave birth to Victoria(she is NOT a mother) who watch all of the evil crimes and eat immediately afterward! Every day stresses suppress my appetite, I cannot imagine a horrendous event like that! I would never allow anyone to harm any of my children, they would have to end my life too! Inconceivable to me! May that beautiful child RIP❤️🩹🙏🏼
When my mom passed away, I became nearly dystrophic. This woman is not a mother, this woman is a devil in disguise
And had sex. I've never heard of anything like this
Hey, hey, she was so upset, she couldn't even eat her 2nd taco!
My mama was a single mom of seven and she never let anyone around us children not even her family members and she would have died for us children and she would have took the very life’s that God give them ! Fly high, beautiful Victoria I pray that your soul is resting now and I pray that you get justice and those monsters pay for all the things they did to you and your brother we have to stop these monsters. They need to stay away from our children they don’t deserve the same air. We breathe and for a woman like that. I can’t even wanna call a woman for an animal like that monster to do that to her own daughter and son. I hope when she meets her maker, God gives her what she deserves.
Why 12 years? Was judge a predator too?
Most of the time they are. Thats why they give Sex Offenders and pedophiles little time in jail.
There’s no other explanation. No normal person could possibly only give 12 years.
Undoubtedly
A lot of them are, yes. When you have a country that is run and controlled by a small elite group that have physical ownership of more than 80% of the money…..you’re going to have pedophile judges. Untouchables. Other countries have laws in place to keep things from turning into a dictatorship. America doesn’t.
If you want to see why you can google everything about this case.
You can get more than 12yrs for punching a cop. Our system sucks so bad Hearing the crimes are so appalling until heard the punishment they received on freaking believable. I sure hope jailhouse justice pre-fails for those poor children.
OMG…what is this creature? She allowed her daughter to be raped, murdered and dismembered. She did nothing to protect her child and nothing to report her loss…may she live long and suffer every day. Drug abuse clearly destroys the soul. This “mother” just cared more for her self, more for drugs, than for the life of her child.
This story is so tragic. 😢 These poor babies were victimized by the very person who should have protected them. I am in tears watching this. 😢😢😢
I don't understand how she doesn't get a life sentence over child sex crimes!
Nobody in this case received life in prison? I do not comprehend.
Right... this little girl needs justice!! This is beyond ridiculous that they got anything less than the death penalty
New Mexico is a liberal state..that's why...this was in Albuquerque.
@@rocioarrieta8521 Lol you should probably get out of the cave every once and a while
You people know Jack about the law apparently. They lead her on a ton in this confession and she just keeps feeding them more of what she thinks they want.
This video is very one sided and doesn't take into account her mental state, her IQ, etc. She should have a lawyer in there clearly. Like everyone
@wmurch3 maybe So, but she watched her child bring raped and murdered.. what mental state can make you do that?! Go on, enlighten me?