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I love your honesty, your genuine personality. Thank you for having this channel. It's both entertaining and informative! You are way cool dude! ;)
Thank you so much!
I agree!
To be fair the deity of Christ appears as "The Angel of the Lord" in the Old Testament. The deliverer of the 10 commandments.
His incarnation was a veiling for the sake of fulfilling a reconciliation of The Father and his chosen people. So from the biblical perspective Christ met with Moses in his transcendental form as the word of The Father. Then from the New Testament the Holy Spirit indwells his elect people which is essentially divine absolute wisdom.
The principle of Theosis is quite interesting and in many ways reflects the ideals of Brahman if not mirrors the ideals.
There is alot of false teaching that stretches back to the earliest days of Christianity. Im very much into the early Church and the Church fathers but at the same time at the end of the day its sola scriptura that leads me to my understanding of Christ.
Blind faith is a fools errand.
I think the endeavor of growing in wisdom is in and of itself an excersize in the growing of faith.
I have studied Biblical truth since 1979. You are absolutely correct. Yeshua always told his followers to worship GOD the creator not him. I have lost friends for saying Jesus Christ is not GOD. If you try to teach modern Christians the truth about Yeshua you will be shunned harshly and avoided like the plague. I stopped trying many years ago.
Yes growing up Catholic and now moving to the Bible Belt south you will find they consider Christ and God to be one in the same. I’ve only started listening to this video as I type it.
Would you mind elaborating more on your post sir?
Correct. Trinitarian binitarian and pre existence of the messiah are all foreign to the Hebrew Scriptures and Hebrew thought.
@@stephengreico504 I'm sorry. I no longer talk Religious beliefs as it would start a never ending email chain. I think Theoria has a good handle on it.
But, according to followers of the New Testament, Jesus was the first in creature form to create. That is the argument. Who is the first in created form. Which is god in form we can see in the illuminated light. Therefore, he is that invisible energy form in the illuminated creation.
I agree, However Who is the biological father of Jesus if it was not a flesh Earthly Male?..The Bible goes thru prophecy and scripture that enhances the virgin conception and Birth? DNA/blood is a physical thing not spiritual? ..
Thanks Ken. One ‘organised religion’ actually preaches that ‘religion is a snare & a racket’ but has 8 million members 🤣 You made my day with this 💗
How does God, who is holy and eternal (outside of time) make himself visible to mankind within time? What does the reflection of God who is invisible look like? God's Christ, who is Jesus, is the exact reflection of the eternal creator within time.
John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
To believe means God has given you this ability by His mercy. A natural man cannot conjure up the belief. We are naturally opposed to God and to Christ. We want to rule ourselves. And we will make every excuse we can to avoid the truth about Jesus. Until God grabs our heart - we will continue to deny him.
As humans we needed a revelation of God. And to show us himself in human form is the ultimate revelation. Unlike other religions our 'deity' Jesus Christ has risen and we have evidence of that through the Holy Spirit. As well as prophecies being fulfilled.
I think these videos are aimed at religion which Jesus even talked against being saying not to be overly religious and was persecuted by the Pharisees.
@@rohanstrathie8913 as humans, we need redemption. The biggest problem is our idea that we are all somehow "good" and in no need of saving. We are walking dead without Christ redeeming us back to God. Back to life.
I gained a lot of insight from this video and it answered some questions that I have been pondering on for years. So many thanks...
Amazing video. The insight from these philosophers during the first stages of ancient christianity is incredible.
I don't know about that. It's all just words to me.
@@martinrea8548 thoughts, to words
The funny thing is that you have Christians who like the ones back then who act like victims of fascism but are the real fascists. This is one of the reasons why I am not a Christians. That and this building their house faith upon sand i.e. belief i.e. opinion, assumption, and presumption versus building your house upon a strong rock foundation i.e. facts, sound logic, and wisdom.
it is fascinating to see how the development of early christanity and early buddism often hangs upon misinterpretation of the founding prophets own words by the later followers especially in the case of aion and anatta etc etc. many thanks for this and all your videos
The ancient drug use in the ritual rites during the Bronze Age is just astounding.
"I like your Christ, but not your Christianity." -- Mahatma Gandhi
I have always questioned the worshiping of Jesus. My opinion is that he was here to teach us how to live this life. Thank you for putting forth your research on this. I do love my creator Heavenly Father because I know He has protected me all of my life from lots of places and things that would have destroyed me. I am opened minded to listen and learn. I don't keep my mind in a box. I question everything. Thank you, again!
Christians have devolved Into worshipping the Bible- not even Jesus the Christ
it wasnt my research, rather saying what porphery and others said about this heresy
Sus in latin translates as?
@@off6848 what language did Jesus speak?
@@off6848 what language is the Bible written in?
Yeah you have a new video, I was just watching your video from yesterday again thanks🙏😇💙🐾🌺
Hope you enjoyed it!
A very good summary Ken. The deification of Jesus was a huge mistake that transgressed the primary doctrine of Judaism-“God” is ONE (The Shema, Deut. 6:7) . Jesus was a practicing Jew, but a reformer who emphases foundational truths and always focused on “the ONE”. By saying this I’m not promoting Judaism, I just want the clarity of truth. Thank you for your wisdom Ken. 👍🏻❤️🙏🏻
Gotama was a reformer Vedantist , same diff.
Jesus didn’t exist it’s an allegory! Jesus means I AM! It’s awareness of being!
@@terrypaul7706 It's hard to take a position Jesus never existed when faced with the ripple effect of his revolutionary teachings that helped seperate the ancient barbaric world from modern times. As per Occam's razor, you are incorrect.
@@MacLuckyPTP did Alice in wonderland exist but made an impact on all children’s imagination? That’s the idea! Except what your not seeing is that Jesus does exist within ALL. That’s the story, that’s why it had such an effect! I’m saying that the story is within each individual if they can understand that it’s an allegory about themselves! Not a literal one about flesh but spirit! The word in the bible is I AM which is what everyone ever born says and IS
@@terrypaul7706 exactly! The story of alice in wonderland didn't pop up from thin air, it had an author who very much existed! That is my point!
One of my friends has told me that he has a strong political conviction. When we discuss politics or what is going on he reacts in many ways like a religious person. It is impossible to have a civilised discussion with him about what is going on because he always knows everything best and if you go against his holy political conviction he gets mad because he is religious.
A friend is a precious gift. As Uncle Kenny said some subjects are "bear traps" worth avoiding. If you love you love your friend, find ways to return the favor. Remember, there's no cosmic rulebook that says others have to share the same outlook as ourselves. Sometimes its easy to get consumed with convincing another of your opinion or logic. Which is more important, your intellectual flex or sanity and friendship?
theres always a way to teach: reflection. but thats up to you. a pet project
@@notavailable9479 Reflection? As in look at yourself in a mirror?
@@slackjaw4270 lmao. no. deeper than image. i meant in helping his freind reflect on their thoughts. getting them out of a loop. to me the word friendship is almost irrelevent as freindship is fickle.
I grew up Catholic, like many other postings by others here on your site. What got me thinking (at age 16) was when the priest told me that Mary was the mother of God! I just could not fathom how a woman can be the birth mother of all that is ETERNAL (God). Now I am more mature and understand that Mary is the mother of Jesus' humanity. Jesus also never said in the Gospels to worship Him. However, we Christians believe that Jesus' death atoned for our personal sins and that by his resurrection, God accepted his deathly sacrifice on our behalf. Thanks Ken.
yes, its purely INSANE!!!
I’d be really interested to hear what Ken would have to say about the Bhagavad Gita, particularly regarding the path of Bhakti & path of Jnana
Is it religion & faith vs wisdom & philosophy?
All The Blessings from Poland !!!!
It is mainly the ultra-Evangelist that over-simplify salvation
and ignore so much more that is involved in following Jesus.
Much gratitude for the pointer to PORPHYRY’S PHILOSOPHY FROM ORACLES
IN EUSEBIUS’S PRAEPARATIO EYANGELICA
AND AUGUSTINE’S DIALOGUES OF CASSICIACUM
Thanks Ken. You got me reading Periphyseon. May I recommend reading "Age of Reason" by Thomas Paine. It is exactly about the topic of this video which is very rational.
ive read it :)
Most Christians follow the teachings of Paul who was also Josephus.
Also Jesus Christ is not the name of the Hebrew man who lived 2000 years ago but the name The Holy Spirit takes as he comes into a man as opposed to unto man(Christos). It’s what the second coming is. The Holy Spirit coming into man in mass. Not a single individual. The teachings of Jesus were a package of all the lessons in which he gathered from his travels and the faith he was born into in which he said would be added to. He simplified everything just to have it over complicated. We are now repioneering The Way which was the discipline he taught. It’s based on individual values not religious group think. I Am The Way I Am
@@davidbytheway-fu7gbwhat do you mean Josephus?
On the True Doctrine: A Discourse Against the Christians
by Celsus (Author), R. Joseph Hoffman (Translator)
Thank you for the book suggestion, Ken.
Your metaphysics videos have motivated me to spend quite a lot of time poking around in several different translations of the Enneads, i.e., Armstrong, MacKenna, and Gerson. It's interesting to see how the teachings of Plotinus compare with Advaita Vedanta. Currently finding some beauty in the following:
Advaita and Neoplatonism
A Critical Study in Comparative Philosophy
J.F. Staal
Keep us oriented toward the light.
is this why so many people argue that Plato was really the father of eastern philosophy yet others say he was the father of Christian metaphysics? He was reconciling both. Studying the Monad and Pythagoras tetractys is so eye opening.
Ive been following alternative history and there are many discrepancies with all religions. The life and times of Jesus are not found in writings of contemporary historians (Philo,Tacitus,Pliny and the Roman consul Publius Petronius)of the day that mention of his life. Where are the followers of Jesus? If anyone did what he is claimed he said there is no way in hell this place would be as fucked up as life is now.
“It has served us well this myth of Christ” Pope Leo X
You never fail to make my day in one way or another. Even the day you shared your truck was broken into. I took note, removed all tools( battery jumper etc) I keep them in a bag and bring them in each night. I am beholden to you when we hit the billion dollar lottery!
As I recall neither buhda or Jesus said any word about religion or worship. Your thoughts?
I see a lot of parallels between what is going on currently. When you attack some thing or SOME ONE, you give it power and the ability to respond with equal power. You bring the true allegations to the forefront. Some people still do not understand this and repeat the Trap. The TRUTH, always questioned and verifiable.
Take a Break Ken. You Very Well Deserve Time away from Everything, in Peace at your Cabin!
Seems that Celsus was whole-heartedly for the Roman God & Emperor & Law system.
While he criticizes Christianity, his preferred beliefs also has plenty to criticize?
and wasn't the Emperor raised to the utmost pedestal and position?
I've asked the same question myself. When I was a child in the 80s it was taught that Jesus was the son of God. Fast forward 20 years and every church I visited they were teaching Jesus and God as one in the same and I was left confused. It also had a hint of snake oil salesman that I didn't notice in the 80s either since I was a child or they truly believed what they were teaching back then. Once I realized that God or whatever his name is knows my heart and that was the only person I needed to convince I left church or any other religion alone. If it helps you through this crazy world then it helps you.
Sayings of Jesus.Foget the messenger remember the message!😮
Thank you ken for brings to our attention this Very important point.....
Eternally grateful.....
Hi Uncle Kenny, why would neoplatanists have issue with a divine source manifesting in the physical world and vice versa? Is there a cosmic rulebook? Or is this based upon deduction somehow?
Also, faith might seem anti intellectual or easy to some. Faith as a verb is anything but easy. Even Jesus was amazed at the faith of a pagan, Roman centurian in his Father.
no, they would have no issue with same.
The only purpose of religion is to maintain localized social cohesion. The religion can be cultural, historic or ideological.
The power hierarchies and dynamics are similar to any other system of human control, they play on the same vulnerabilities of human psychology and they present stern resistance against any pushback to the status quo (which is the power hierarchy).
The majority of humanity (past, present and future) will gravitate towards such control systems because life is hard and the path of least resistance leads readily to the basic human condition, i.e. slavery and suffering.
And since the majority of people don't want responsibility (freedom) and also have very low pain tolerance, they will readily abdicate any agency they possess for the comfort of belief.
Also, religions are engineered for the lowest denomination of people (retards), which is also the most common denomination. Hence all religions promise worldly things (money, romantic affection, children etc.) to people who pray using the specific guidelines established by that particular brand of human mental slavery.
all true
What is an uncontrolled system?
Well said, really good description of religion
@@jesterprivilege tribalism and nomadicism.
the of the underlying, that deep "feeling" during reflection, still exists. its undeniable. does one need religion to access that place thing whatever it may be. can it be ignored.
Thank you🎶💥🌸
You're welcome 😊
the flaws in character displayed by so-called christians is certainly present today, and aparently as far back as possible.. but none are accounted worthy
i just dont touch religious 'stuff'
Very Very interesting stream Ken! I respect your thoughts and position. Very much appreciated.
Lots of love and regards, thank you DEAR 🤗🌻
Eventually, all saviors become the satan you have to be saved from. Great vid, Ken. As usual.
Its the paradox of the true god and what god is turned into
You sound like my late university teacher who introduced me to the history of the early christians and helped me escape the "matrix".
Ever since you recommended Uzdavinys a couple years ago, I’ve dug into his work. Much appreciated, Aloha
OMG you are a miracle...I was in such a bad mood and you've got me smiling : )
i am?
I guess I'm not allowed to make comments cuz it's a full moon. Fyi. Says source...😔
I read that the word religion means re connecting to the spirit (World). The Latin word lig being used in the word ligament ie connecting fibre. So what is ion in this context? Where is ion? The ionosphere? Spiritualists know (not believe) that inTACT personas can be CONtacted by spirit mediums. The initiation of the contact being motivated by the persona on the 'other side'. I am wondering about the practicalities of Ascention to 'Heaven' or 'Descent' into Hell. Is it a morality question influencing our ions? or can we be Practically Doomed by, say being injected with the heavy metals in a pharmaceutical product? Would be a good reason not to have the recent jabs and boosters. My last flu jab was back in Winter 2019.
KEN THANKS FOR SHARING . what do you think this means ;
Jesus believed He is Equal with God
Philippians 2 : 6
6 Who (Jesus), being in the form of GOD, thought it Not robbery to be EQUAL with GOD:
the Jews also believed that Jesus claimed to be Equal with God
John 5 : 18
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but SAID also that GOD WAS HIS FATHER, making Himself Equal with God.
(DOES THIS OFFER A PERSPECTIVE REGARDING THE VIEW OF THE NEOPLATIONIST ?)
1 Corinthians 1 : 18-24
Christ the Power and Wisdom of God
18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
THE ROMAN CATHOLICS WHO MAKE IDOLS , NOT CHRISTIANS
Leviticus 26:1
26 Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God.
THIS IS JUST MY OPINION OF YOUR OPINION .
HAVE A GREAT DAY AT THE FARM FRIEND !
John 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
SEEMS TO ME THAT JESUS IS EITHER A LIAR LUNATIC , OR JESUS IS LORD
KEN IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY READ THIS YOU MAY FIND THIS ENTERTAINING : C.S. Lewis's trilemma : C.S.Liar-Lord-or-Lunatic Argument
(Lewis's trilemma is an apologetic argument traditionally used to argue for the divinity of Jesus by postulating that the only alternatives were that he was evil or mad)
A meat suit having total dominion over life and death is arguably much more than a mere mortal. Without the resurrection, Christianity doesn't exist. One need only produce the dry bones and he wins hands down. Fortunately for Christians however, Jesus doesn't have any last hours... Joh 10:32-33 KJV Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
At least the Pharisees didn't even pretend to like or respect Jesus. That's a better stance than that of all the cherry pickers who think Jesus is so cool, only until he claims to be the logos.
Yaldabaoth is the evil creator of this world... He's the God of the Bible!
Ken: "Belief is the plaything of children. Wisdom is the tool of the wise." Also he says, "You should listen to what Jesus said rather than deifying this psychophysical being."
Very well. And here is what Jesus says:
"I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children, for such was your gracious will."
You listen to what the oracles said to Porphyry about Jesus, including Hecate, goddess of witchcraft and necromancy, but do not listen to the words of Jesus himself, contrary to what you say one should do concerning him.
i said nothing against the TEACHINGS of Jesus, so you didnt listen
Jesus said we are all gods. Not our ego but our true self.
I need to read more, thats without doubt.
It would be nice to be able to pontificate a well rounded argument for the Sapient Absolute or Most High or Father however one is to slice "him"
It's always bothered me to no end when people try to put a face to "him" as if that's what was meant by In Our Image lol kinda makes sense that an eternal omnipotent omnipresent and omniscient self awareness would start talking to "himself" 😅. You really are a good teacher Ken showing people how to look sometimes where to look but never what to see. But that's enough of my irrational faithy ideas i suppose.
There is one thing though that's stuck in my craw you had said like 20-25 videos ago that the imposition of will over another is innately evil, to paraphrase, but what of a fathers knowing imposition of his will over the will of his unknowing son so that he wont come to harm or some horrible fate? Toddler with a fork and an electrical outlet as the example.
Great stuff Ken, the movie is Luther 2003 with Joseph Fiennes. I have to watch that one. Thanks
yes, great movie!!!! its an intellectual cheesecake :)
Don't see where choice factors into this. Expression of volition in selection is 'natural law' requirement for relationships. It can't just be a smooth function.
No offence to my Christian brothers and sisters I have many fiends and family who profess the faith and are good people.
My issue with Christianity is the character of Jesus. The bible states “worship God and put no idol or other god before them” then they plunk Jesus down and say “no man can get to me except through him” and I find it contradictory. Seems like a great way to divert worship, and the energy from prayer, from the ultimate creator God and give it to a lesser god. We know man has messed with the scriptures and while no one can deny that we have a creator it is somewhat easy to question the existence of Jesus. Because we can never know with 100% certainty I recognize the creator God as the ultimate source. The bible is channeled information and as recently as less than 100 years ago with the discovery of the Nag Hammadi writings we can see that important writings have been left out and the 66 books we are given are heavily edited and no doubt manipulated to serve someone’s agenda. I mean do you trust Royal families? King James put the New Testament together.
In my mind God is the creator and Satan (one of his creations) is currently running this asylum. So the Royal families are his management team and they give us Jesus instead of the creator God to worship. That makes more sense to me. How could Jesus have died for sins that have not been committed? And if the debt of sin has been paid in advance what motivation is there to be a good person?
The debt is paid right?
Just a few thoughts on the topic
nods head.
Thank you Ken I follow your work intensely
I've even done some presentations on your work
They were a little bit untidy my audience got the gist of it
God is everything and therefore chases nothing.
The Ego is nothing and chases everything.
Once the ego has found God, it has found 'everything'.
the only thing to chase after for is God.
By chasing nothing; One will find God the fastest.
If the ego is nothing, and God is everything;
But, God chases 'nothing' because it already has everything;
Then this means that: God creates the ego.
Ego is chasing everything; which was God.
God is so full of love that it decided to chase Himself.
(All experienced through Ego; is God expressed by, from and on Himself.)
Without the realization of ''I am''. (Jesus)
One doesnt come to the realization of the creator: ''THAT''. (the Father)
''I am THAT''. -Being & Creator BOTH are 1.
Jesus never claimed to be God. Jesus spoke according of God.
The words God & Jesus both mean ''I Am''
What/Who is ''i'' ?
Being.
Father = I
Jesus = AM
Spirit = BEING
God = I Am Being
God is not a being, but being itself.
Thanks! Always wanted to know Porphyry’s take on Christianity
I’ve been reading snippets of The City Of God by St Augustine: Chapter 7 - *How much the Platonists are to Be Held as excelling other philosophers in Logic I.E Rational Philosophy*
Elsewhere Augustine writes - “None are closer to us (Christians) than the Platonists.” in his rebuttal of Porphyry’s Against The Christians.
Right. Let’s focus on the hate of the predator not the prey. What your saying is in book of Matthew: Don’t go into the square or church to pray- go into a closet and close the door. Don’t trust the church. What’s the nature of man? These greedy power plays: The left side of man’s nature. But rather stay righteous as they say. Cuz every good thing is exploited for power and money. Inner peace and connection to the big cloud Wi-Fi becomes Church/ corporate religions (even community churches self-corrupt, hamburgers become McDonald’s, righteous self defense becomes MIC. Even the Boy Scouts teach great skills but require oaths and slogans and uniforms.
And you can go back to the Old Testament and the allegories are the same. How to connect to source. Where’s your antenna? Gen 32:30. How to control your left brain (tithe your 10%)
It’s all too simple or complicated for some of us. And that’s the point of religions or any industry for that matter. They make their day by coming between truth and each individual. So the people you’re criticizing are mostly victims trying to get by.
We are all flawed and at times end up aggregators of money or power, whether it be legit or illegitimate business or special knowledge or flat out fraud.
Thanks for the insights and more new reading for me.
You have touched a problem I have that Jesus let's the world suffer, but It's all God's will. Do you remember Him?
"gods will" is a very very very ancient premise thats 100% misunderstood.
Far too many want no suffering whatsoever.
I love your terminology, "two legged meat suits"😂. There seem to be many two legged meat suit mushrooms everywhere. You're absolutely correct, meat puppets worshipping meat suits is complete lunacy. Damn...
when the meat suits follow ideals its even more lunactic. take those power hungry self-destiny "green" pushers like karlschwabb, gov puppets, etc. as an example
Ken, My grandfather was blind, my older brother also blind, doctors told me decades ago I was going blind. My family still tells me I can't say Jesus gave me my eyesight, my older brother called Jesus a fairy tale, I call Him God. The "Wise" leaders of this world follow your Jesus, my Jesus called it the blind leading the blind.... What good is a God that you need to do more than just believe?
Read what Jesus says in the Gospels closely, and pray for understanding. He does not teach a simple faith doctrine at all.
Like He told the blind people, as per your Faith, let it be done. @@criticaloptimist7961
You get on your knees for some guy you think is a God. Dude, get a room.
Thank you I enjoyed earring you talking about those subjects. I learn a lot. The path of the absolute was one of the originals names of the teachings of Bouddha🙏Cheers 💙
Illuminating✨
Was just having this conversation with a friend who is waking up from the brainwashing of religion, but is having cognitive dissonance.
I will suggest the book you mentioned.
You dont understand the combination of philosophy and theology. You quoting Protestant theology and Thomas Aquinas as Christians? Those are hereticals by the true church, the very early one you quoted, the Orthodox one. And im saying this with love as a Greek, that Orthodox Christianity is the continuation of Greek philosophy and thus so, in few centuries everyone was christian because philosophicaly Christianity won.The early Christians were Orthodox Christians and the doctrine does not say you only had to believe. There is confession, sacraments, church, monasticism, liturgy, art and so many ways that you can find the relationship with the energies of the one by changing your entire life. You can also read the philokalia to see that surely iss not faith alone. Please read Cappadocian Fathers who where the students of Origin and philosophers also and they studied greek philosophy on the academies. Read true history please. Also there is Maximus the Confessor or Athanasius or Gregory palamas and many others very strong minds with huge philosophical analysis on Christianity. Instead you jumbed up to Thomas Aquinas a theologian 1000 years after the early Christianity.who didn't know how to translate from Greek to Latin and made huge mistakes, or Luther up to 1500 years after and all of them are comdamnd as heretics by Orthodoxy. Porphyrin or plotinus misunderstand the true doctrine of Christianity which where the Orthodox church and they had been answered by the fathers of the church with philosophy. Faith alone is a west Christianity thing sorry.
Did early Christianity or platonism ever spread to the non Indian east? If not, why? Are there any eastern platonic philosophers that are not indian?
Yes. Syriac Christianity. Manichaeism in particular was a blend of Buddhsim and Zoroastrianism with Christ. These groups were, through conspiracy imo, persecuted and suppressed by the Roman Empire Church and ultimately wound up integrating into the new religion of Islam. Look for Sufi Arabic Neoplatonist philosophers. But further east than that you wouldn't find much as it is already saturated with this philosophy in its own form. Some scholars argue that all platonism comes from the East to begin with.
Dionysus...god of wine and entertainment(go into/raid/the mind)...is what 'man' worships
Oh...and 'woo man'
Funny, but sadly necessary to clarify it's about Martin Luther and not Lex Luthor.
One of the best and most on point videos you have ever made. Agree with you 100%. I was raised in a devout Catholic household and had a Catholic based education. However, I had an interesting experience during a church service as a young child which I can still recall vividly. At best I can describe it as a download where I was told the service/blessing of the sacrament was not 'it.' I just accepted it and never looked back. Although I did not share this with my folks or grandparents as I would've been dragged to confession or a personal meeting with the Priest.
Thanks!
OMG, thank you so much Richard! big hugs to you brosefus!!
The Spirit of Christ, informed not the apostles rather only the religious ones to repent.
Hehe
'I am in my father, you are in me, and i in you.'
Atman in the Brahman, giva in the Atman, and Atman in giva.
For sake of conveinence; really there is no Atman and Brahman, isn't it.
Christ is KRSNA. Buddha most certainly was Christos.
Ever discuss Orion; ion and Atum; atom?
I study theology in 2013.
I was raised as a Catholic then I become Protestant but then I realised it was something wrong.
When I understood that religion was not good I left church in 2015.
However, I was looking for the real “God” and when I found Metaphysics through your videos I love it. Thanks ❤
well hugs to you gerl! Maybe read some Meister Eckhart or Jacob Boehme, or plotinus :)
Who backed or funded the religiouscity of of Hermes? The Emerald Tablet struck a chord! Where falls the footsteps of the master, ears open wide! I know your a ham - ER, and know a bit about antennae. I watched the UFO Congressional citizens hearing & what I took away was I gotta learn scalar tech! My higher self decided I needed Konstantin Meyel's scalar book. The equations are over my head! Roman antennas & microwave architecture I can comprehend. God frequencies was a bit 🤔 ! The scalar antenna 📡 from the crop "circle" response from the Arecibo antenna! How to transmit & receive scalar transmissions? How is it done?
Well done! As one who aspires to not only be a meat-sack, but to bring that reality continually before him, I would like to add one or two observations.
Between our two natures, only one can believe and only one can do. The other is captive to its functions, including the intellectual -- but it can benefit from the wise choices of the other. Love has created the world, and some part of the world will love its creator.
Salvation from what?
I never figured that out, either.
from embodiment and ignorance
From death and evil.
@@KenTheoriaApophasisOh. I guess that's why I never figured it out.
So you Believe we humans are just meat suits without a soul ? There is no soul or spirit? Only intellect and rationally (reason) ,plus the "meat suit" is "All There is"? It logical?
Even Spock was sad he had no Ability for emotional response, right .?
I do enjoy your views. Th
I commented too soon? Yes, it's the teachings, Not the teacher !!
any and ALL psycho-physical entities are, did i say "JUST"????????????? no, i did not, you dont listen son
Damn I came to tha samet conclusion the other day about the Roman Emperors.
Tbh looking at it how godgevlambste looks at it, it just makes sense. Electrical parasitic universe.
PLEASE DO ONE ON THE GNOSTICS AND THE ARCHONS
Aristotle had the right idea...shame he met plato
What you say about worshiping Jesus instead of God reminds me of the Prophet Muhammad who claimed to have continued the mission of Jesus. The fundamental truth of Islam is "there is no god but God" which is equivalent to the Vedantic "only Brahman is real and the world is unreal", but of course the meaning has been twisted. Few people know that the Koran says that people in Heaven will not be in Heaven for eternity, but will be absorbed into the Absolute after some time. In the sayings of the Prophet, Muhammad says that at the end of time "hell will become cold". This is in line with the Upanishad's message that even Brahmaloka is not eternal. Heaven or hell is eternal from the perspective of human life, but it is not eternity in the absolute sense. The "Messenger" is the same as the Christian and Platonic Logos. I recommend "The Quintessential Esotericism of Islam" by Frithjof Schuon.
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yes, i know his writings
It appears there has been a tremendous discovery of a superconductor that works at ambient temperature called LK-99.
Paul Wallis -- Did Jesus Worship YHWH?
A question that has plagued me for decades.
Wallis' explanation answered that for me.
I suspect ENKI may be involved in this explanation; but, that's just me.
This is what folks need to absorb...
The early Christians referred to themselves as followers of the way, which is strikingly similar to the Tao. Also, James was at odds with Paul and his do nothing / believe doctrine; show me your faith without works and I'll show you my faith through works.
The Logos made flesh. It's not the meat suit that was important, but it's incarnating holds significance. In the beginning was the word, and the word was with G_D, and the word was G_D can be translated as, within the first cause lies the principle of order. (I might be a little off on the recall of that translation).
modern christians worship the meat suit, most of em
Orthodoxy is still much closer. Especially Mt Athos
Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life no one gets to the father unless they go through me and he even makes himself equal with God by saying he is in the father and the father is in him so to say he only told people to worship the father greatly neglects the truth of the entire sola scriptural that's Jesus did infact fulfill many old testament prophecies while maintaining that he was the incarnate logos in the first chapter of the gospel according to the disciple John
its all too much nonsense, i cant stupefy myself to such a level
@@KenTheoriaApophasisego is a b*tch, I hope you'll smarten up before it's too late.
Hey when you really think about it metaphysics as hyper-rational as it may be with it's subjective pronouncement on liberation to the transcendent self is at any rate a suspension of conventional objective knowledge nobody can ever truly verify it's precepts without first diying then returning to from the grave to keep us on the cutting edge of truth otherwise it's really all speculation no matter to which degree we choose to suspend rationality
Jesus Christ is the imagination! It is metaphor and symbology of a personified allegory of a man who is aware of I AM, Gods name, ( nature).. What is I AM? The conscious awareness of being! In ALL and through ALL. It is not historical but states of consciousness. Nothing to do with religion. Gods name ( nature) is ONE! I AM
Have you read Johann Kepler? HILARIOUS. Perhaps you could have a chat about him sometime.
Christianity thrived in a declining society. Platonism thrived in an ascendant society. The 2,000 year conflation of Logos with Jesus needs to be overcome.
Interesting topic!
19:00 sola fide is a protestant (modern) invention, the early Church Fathers taught faith + works, as seen in the Book of James.
Thankyou for the video! It was very interesting.
I disagree with a couple of points.
The “diefication of the meat sack” is quite an over simplification of what the early Church fathers preached. In fact, that is exactly the heresy of Appolinarius which was condemned.
I also disagree that 99% of Plotinus is present in Christian thought. There are many key differences which are completely irreconcilable with neoplatonism. For example, creation ex nihilo, creation being separate from God. The Early church always strived to underline the non-pantheistic views of Christianity.
Also, I disagree with the attempts at trying to differentiate Christ with Christians. It is quite evident that Christ himself did in fact teach that he is God, and the only way for people to reach God is through him. (In short, without the details).
My view is that Early Church thought is actually quite intellectual and delves quite deep. I would agree that there is neoplatonic influence, but only in the sense that the Church fathers appropriated terminology and neoplatonic models (where applicable) to communicate their ideas to the “rational” and philosophical audience. For example, how the Cappadocian fathers used Porphyrus’s interpretation of Aristotelean categories in their defence of the Holy Trinity.
I also sense in the video that there is quite an emphasis on relying on our own “intellectual” ability rather than belief. Your are completely right in that Christianity goes against this, but not without good reason. Instead of seeing this as “irrational” or “dumb”, this can be seen as a means of humility. It would be quitter rational in fact to trust salvation to God rather than to our own means and devices, since we see that we are powerless. Therefore I make the point that religion is not as stupid or irrational as it would seem. For more detail on this subject, I would refer to the Triads by St Grigory of Palamas who explores this in great detail, especially in his polemics against Barlaam of Calabria. (Regarding intellectualism).
And ofcourse, all the polemics against the Gnostics in the early Church. The position you seem to express in this video seem quite similar to me to what the gnostics preached.
I would like to ask, are you acquainted with the works of the early Church Fathers? For example on the Incarnate word by St Athanasius. I believe this should definitely dispel the belief of the “diefication of a meat sack”. And in more detail, the works of St Kyrill of Alexandria.
Thankyou sir and have a good day!
Wow! If all you got out of the entirety of Biblical scripture was that Jesus/Yeshua was a deified meatsuit, you have missed the point of the greatest comedy and greatest love story ever told, spanning the introduction of man into this creation until man's end.
Read it again.
Bless your heart.
my response may be a little long. but it is regarding the idea of early christianity. the majority of people, religious people, christians believe that the early believers were christian. but in proper context is that true.
if you take what revelation 5:5 says, that says the messiah is the lion of "judah". judah is one of the 12 tribes of ancient israel.
in matthew 15:24 the messiah said he was sent to the lost sheep of ancient israel, specifically the northern kingdom, who went into captivity. the truth of the matter is ancient israel was never called a church, nor were they ever called christians. israel was called a nation so that means the early believers could not have been called christians. so if the messiah's people was ancient israel, the ancient hebrews, then that would mean that the 4 writers of the gospels, the disciples and apostles had to be descendents of the 12 tribes, as well. even paul stated in the book, that he was a descendent of the tribe of benjamin.
the idea that the early believers being christian had to come after the diocletian persecution that took place around 301-304ad.if we can connect what i said about the messiah, disciples, and the apostles all being descendants of the 12 tribes, it would make sense that people are not told the truth about who the early believers were, as part of the persecution, the hiding of the truth. i will also mention that diocletian ordered all the books to be taken from the peoples homes and burned which im sure contained the truth about the messiah and the disciples, and the things that took place. mind you that this took place 20 years before the first council of nicea, which was really the starting point of christianity. in 2025 it will be the 1700th anniversary of the first council of nicea. im sure that diocletian was given orders to persecute, and kill the ancient hebrews and destroy the evidence, in preparation for the first council of nicea.
Neville Goddard
I and the Father are one. I am in him he is in me. And I am in you. He claiming in union with the father. He praises the father as the father praises the son. In union. Two became one flesh like a man in women. Or echod
FUN Fun fun
I Love a good rant!
There's noone better.
Facts matter; keep up the greatwork.
I'm polluted. (lol politics) contaminated.(lol inoculated) etc
I'm so far gone I sometimes try to get unpolluted by means of osmosis.
I wonder how many times UA-cam will let me reply to myself?
I'm not very religious but I know basic Civics; 🎶 Love and Marriage 🎶
The Constitution and the Bible
🎶 You can't have one without the other 🎶
Jus'Sayn'
I suppose that when you die and have the (insert word) to present yourself before God. You win.
What I often think is: more like this man. 24:35
John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was with God in the beginning.
3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.
5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
I was in Rome this week. Incredible city. if there's a hell spawn or demon portal to earth it definetly is the Vatican.
Secularised metaphysics that was plagiarised by the ptolemies using ancient wisdom and teachings from Kemetians, combining Ma'at, Auset, Heru, Asur, Tehuti, Ptah, Imhotep, Tut Moses etc. Which lead to the greeks creating their own pantheons (Serapis - Etc) based on Egyptian culture and metaphysical principles. This lead to the Septuagint - Precursor to the Bible that was told in story form by hermetics without a primer for the masses.
Well done, excellent
Many thanks!
so is it ridiculous to assume the possibility of an undefined and immeasurable entity or essence outside inertia and the loss of that inertia? is it not possible for there to be a creator outside that nothingness and manifestation? why is it ignorant to presume that the manifestation must be that of something outside in instead of inside out? where is the universe manifesting? it is nowhere and every where at once like time or eternity all existing now?