I've been sitting on this footage since February, since one of my cameras didn't work, and the other chops my head off when I stand up. Still, I figured it's better to upload what I have than to upload nothing, so here we are!
I don’t believe in a god .. I don’t believe your hard knuckle greenery wil change my mind, Alex has now stopped me from responding.... wow, me and a nice enemy dragon ..have been fighting, but to delete this is against our best wishes
@@barbarannop1799 British Summer Time and Greenwich Mean Time. During GMT the clocks go back an hour which means the daylight ends sooner. I have always enjoyed the “dark nights” up here in Scotland.
This is a great debate format. Short opening statements and then straight discussion. Formal turn-based debates are painful to watch, as sophistry can run rampant.
*+Kuumalaukaus* I totally agree. Just a normal/natural flowing discussion where the people are interested in the ideas and politely interrupt if something is unclear but otherwise let each other speak. The other format just feels like "scoring points" or "preaching for an audience", that's not helpful for understanding.
*Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏👏*
yeh except that hundreds of species have homosexuality not just humans. also forget about the super gay samurai, greeks and romans. many in the SAS are gay and even during WW2, gay conscripts had their own community and obv he never worked in show biz... ever :P
I recently found some diary from 1920s in my grandpa's storage. It did have some possibly gay thoughts. I guess owner of it, was bi but it was interesting to read. It's funny to see how elders try to deny that gays existed when they never tried to read their possibly closeted ancestors' diaries. 😂
@@richardvinsen2385 he wasn't. He collects papers a lot which is annoying. His house is full of papers and books. He never reads but collects lol. Very common trait he shares with his previous generations haha
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏👏
@@FendiYT This is unutterable nonsense. First, provide good, credible evidence for the existence of your God. Next, provide good, credible evidence for the existence of the biblical Jesus figure. It sounds as if you are getting your ideas from the Bible, so you need to demonstrate that this is a reliable, historically accurate source. And you need to account for why the Jews don't buy any of the Paul-inspired forgery that is the New Testament.
Because many people in politics are bad-faith actors pushing their agendas. Like do you really expect Ted Cruz to not know about how CO2 is contributing to climate change when he went to Princeton and Harvard? Many politicians are smarter than you think. They are just trying to manipulate voters instead of trying to determine the supreme truths in life like these fellows.
because discovering truths and finding middleground about a debated topic is not the function of political debate. Political debates are not intended to be rational or constructive, they function to gain support for a candidate through whatever means necessary
@@Blu3Med1c This is why the modern democracy is flawed. Modern democracy is not about the free will for you to vote who ever you feel would be the best, but rather to vote who ever brain washed you the best. But i absolutely have no idea how to make democracy work, maybe removing whatever is making politicians do that, could be money and therefore capitalism, but i didn't put too much thought on it yet.
You can tell the professor was enjoying the challenge of Alex’s takes and was quite stopped at times and it was thrilling to hear them go back and forth with respect. That’s what it’s all about, very intriguing to see how quickly they are to react and counteract points. Good job Cosmic😇✨
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏👏
@@FendiYT That's not how it works stupid, is your god that egoistic that if we don't believe in him we will go to hell? That sounds like a dictator, "Believe in me or you shall be tortured for eternity". A loving God would never do that, NEVER! You people are the reason religions are tainted nowadays. You try to convince other people with FEAR instead of LOVE. Shame, really!
What a man Alex is, the way his mind works is brilliant to experience and I am in awe at how he is able to explain each misunderstanding in the minds of people without getting confused about the point he is making when it comes to the issue at hand. Personally I think you are ahead of the time in many aspects making you worth mentioning in the wrinkle of time.
I'm just so incredibly proud of Alex/Cosmic Skeptic. Wow. So very kind, Bright & brilliant. Been an abso-fuckin-lute joy, watching Alex grow & become this beast before us. Beautiful human. Beautiful mind & generous heart. So proud!
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏👏
@@FendiYT Again: This is unutterable nonsense. First, provide good, credible evidence for the existence of your God. Next, provide good, credible evidence for the existence of the biblical Jesus figure. It sounds as if you are getting your ideas from the Bible, so you need to demonstrate that this is a reliable, historically accurate source. And you need to account for why the Jews don't buy any of the Paul-inspired forgery that is the New Testament.
System is the problem 🏡 Our Life should be around these Great Qualities 1, Show all living creatures; all the love and kindness as much as you can. 2, Only try to be honest with yourself. If you try to be honest with others, you will get into big trouble soon or later. 3, Aim only one target at a time; otherwise you are chasing two rabbits and you will miss both. So, the reason behind it. Have one powerful reason and never ever give up the one you want the most. 4, Don't try to be good person only but be the powerful person. We will grow to be the one or we will die. There is no other choice. 5, Always learn and look for to improve something your life. 6, You are not alone. Love and faith the high power reduces unnecessary stress in life. But never completely rely on it. 7, Success and happiness are the byproducts of our usefulness. So, always increase the possibility of success. 8, Life is not going to be easy. Because of our unnecessary things. Eliminate all the unnecessary things as much as you can by organising yourself well with the environments. 9, Never believe anything without the proper evidences. 10, Always try to give more than you take. Because it is dignity/ character of the divinity within you. 🌎 As long as people continue to see themselves as separate from everything else, they lend themselves to being completely enslaved. Success depends on how well we relate to everything around us. Joy comes from that bliss of connectedness. I believe that unarmed truth and love will have the final word in reality. To love; you should have good heart. I am a good person until I see a person better than my standard of goodness. Being good is the progress towards a worthy cause. Love is God. Whoever lives in love, lives forever. How selfish it is to try to keep something forever? Love is all about nourishing, nurturing, sharing and expanding the love within you for all. The principle to which we adhere to is that we have kindness of love at heart for the whole of mankind. As long as there is the unnecessary differences within us; we can not live peacefully so we have to eliminate all the unnecessary differences among us so we can love all. People abilities may vary but not there true love. If we love a person/ God for a reason then we love the reason but not the person. No reason is the reason to love the person because true love never fails. So do not compare or measure the true love as first or the last but love all truly. If you love people truly then you can understand people. If you don't love then you don't understand people at all. People are controlled by system why? The Cyclical Consumption is the current economy all over the World. It is making the scarcity problems of the earth finite resources to deteriorate day by day. Current Monetary System is legalised theft. Real money is Gold and Silver. Scarcity gives the money more value. Real money won't lose it's value. When Governments stay away from Gold & Silver then very easy to transfer the wealth / resources to upper class the Rich (Corporatocracy) Elite. When the Governments are printing out more new fiat currency with reserve banks, our old currency is losing its purchasing power everyday. They are printing millions of currency everyday. All governments and laws are existing right now to transfer wealth to upper class the rich elite. The USA Government & other Governments are in many countries, bailed the investment banks & financial institutions in 2008 against the majority of the people. There is no democracy in any countries. Because of the Money System based on profits motive only above all else even humans lives and well-being. So, we do not have freedom to protect our values with the money so on. The violence, bankruptcy & all the negativities are build into the Monetary System of our society. All are owned (including ourselves) by Reserve Bank. Which is private cartel the corporation. So, in legal system, we are legally considered as chattel the properties. They make money in the capital markets with our birth certificates. They do not consider us as Humans. That's the truth. We are at the invisible war with the Elites (Corporatocracies). We have to fight for our Freedom. Resource Based Economy is the Solution. We have to declare the earth resources as the heritage of all the people of this world. So everyone has access to it. Please have your research about zeitgeist movement then you know the truth more. Truth About Health/Drugs Industry Because Of It Your Life At High Risk The drug industry is a 1/2 trillion dollars a year worldwide conglomerate. Almost 300 billions dollars just in North America. That is really big business. What would happen if everyone were well? There is no money in health. You see, good health makes a lot of sense but it doesn't make a lot of dollars. Because everything they do is toxic. Every drug they use, prescription drugs, all drugs are liver toxic, bar none. If you've had amalgam fillings put in your mouth by dentists. It is highly toxic. There's cancer because most of the chemos are themselves carcinogens. To view the tumor as the cancer and we know the tumor is not the cancer. The cancer industry is 200 billions dollars a year. The more work they get, the more profit there is. You have to dismantle; If the truth ever came out about what we would need to do. 30% of people of females in America are at risk of getting, will get cancer of the breast. The ones that are already dead have been grossly mistreated by the medical profession and by the government that supposedly is supposed to encourage free research and development of all possibilities. Why would medical doctors who studied medicine and practice medicine and are heavily funded by pharmaceutical companies why would they go and look into vitamins? That they never had the answer orthomolecular. And as more and more of our population start taking their health into their own hands, there's going to be even more and more of changes. It can't go on the way it is. The system is failing apart. We must make nutrition the primary prevention strategy for the population. You are what you eat. You are everything that you have ever done to yourself. The choices you make directly affect the outcome of your life. - (Food Matters Documentary in Netflix) 😊 Well, I truly love God. I am not religious but very spiritual person. So, I believe 1) Religion is the beliefs in someone experiences But spirituality is having my own experiences. The mainstream religions people promote religious ideology by giving guidelines and guide but In my spiritual life; I do not want anyone or anything between God and me to restrict my freedom to worship God. 2) We do not need any authorities to do good work. The god work is the good work always. In contrast; organised mainstream religions are claiming that they have the authorities to do God works as leaders so on. 3) God is not capable of doing wrong thing, change the past for us and create anything out of nothing for us. Nothing means not anything. So, even God is limited. The mainstream religious people believe that God is unlimited. 4) God wants us to take responsibilities for our righteousness life but not for all the consequences of our actions because they are continued to exist among us. So, How can god punish us for all our consequences? The mainstream religious people believe we are full of sins because of all our actions. 5) Freewill is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure. So, we do not have choices all the time. In contrast teachings of the mainstream religions are promoting people to do god's will always because we all have choices of freewill always. 6) We can not separate everything into groups. So, everything for good and evil and there's no success and failure for everything. If everything is real then real things can not be threatened. Once you come to understand that God/The Holy Spirit is in each of us, You will no longer need a Book to tell you how to live. Then why we need religious scriptures? The Virtue is the expression of the basic goodness in our actions. The Basic goodness is the fundamental worthiness of every individuals. We are worthy to God always in everything. 7) Beliefs in a cruel God makes a cruel man. No matter what; every living creatures has the right to live and What makes their life cheap? Everything depends on everything. Nothing too big or too small in value. We can not love and hate at the same time; Being a vegetarian means love without cruelty happily. The mainstream religious people are killing people and sacrificing animals in the name of God. They promote God's cruel punishments. The Punishment is endless for Sinners/Devil according to religious scriptures. But God is love always. Overcome hate with love. If all religions for peace, unity? No way. Because they are not for peace. 8) Well, The God gave us everything to go from moment to moment in our lives as we do our part and pray only to thank god then the Love is in progress. The Love is always for everyone. We are always worthy of the God's love. Our greatest fear is; not to be loved by anyone but we are all loved by someone. When we eliminate all our unnecessary differences among us then true peaceful life is possible with the true love. If we can't find the peace within ourselves then we will never find it anywhere else. 9) This is the Fight for independence and freedom of humanity to worship God freely without religious guide and guidelines to restrict us. Unnecessarily, We do not want third party controls over us in anything ; especially in spirituality. 10) Revive Survive Thrive. 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@@FendiYT The concept of "sin" is a man made construct to strike fear into weak minds who can't be independently good to themselves and other people, and so builds a pseudo-foundation of morals. The problem with you religious people, is that you bunch religion and morals into one ball, and if I were to snatch that ball and throw it away, you are left with no morals, because it was based on a fictional foundation that was never built on instinct. Another problem is you don't argue in a logical, analytical and scientific way. You can't escape science, it's a method to observing, testing, and proving hypotheses right or wrong through what can be seen, calculated and observed to a point where it's so well proven correct that it functionally becomes fact. If I take your religion, I take your good with it. You on the other hand, can't take anything from us, because morals is instinct, it's biological. The only way to take from our morals is to kill us, but that act would be evil, wouldn't it? Remember, animals know no such thing of religion. They are built to survive, and if they are social creatures, will ensure the safety and well-being of their kind. Human beings just took this to a complex level.
@@seemlyme Science is about giving hard proven facts from an unbiased point of view. However... Love is something powerful and can till an extent be explained by science on how it works. But... Mature atheists are not arrogant people who claim to know everything. After all we know most facts, but people look for "meaning". Now, meaning is a man made idea, just as sin is an idea, or rather a concept own to only humans. Atheists are looking for meaning too. But this doesn't necessarily mean you have to develop a religion to find meaning. Now I understand you are not really religious, but rather just spiritual. And I think there comes an inevitable point in anybody's life - atheist OR religious, that we start thinking abstractly about what can make you happy? What makes your life worth living? It all comes down to comforting ourselves in a world where you can become prey. And because we are so emotionally complex, we want to find meaning. And I think this is why people develop organized beliefs, so that they comfort themselves from the dark truth that we are here to hunt kill, survive, and eventually die. Because we are so emotionally complex, we just can't accept the simplicity and coldness of existence. And this is what sets atheists apart from believers. Atheists acknowledge the cold dark truth, but they are reluctant to comfort, because it is deceiving from the truth. Atheists at the end of the day just want to be happy, they just don't use religion, because of how artificial it is.
It only works on the level of showing the same respect for the free will and desires of the other, as you would wish others to do for you. If Love = empowerment, then you would wish your goals to be empowered in the same manner as you empower another's goals. It is not true that if I like flowers that I SHOULD give others flowers. NOTE: I'm not shouting but using capitalization for easier reading. It is true that if I like being given things THAT I LIKE, that I should give other people things THAT THEY LIKE. The only way to know how to TREAT another person, or how to LOVE another person is to KNOW that person. There are many ways to know a person, but asking them what they would like, and what their goals are are pretty good ways to know how best to LOVE someone. I would state that it is impossible to LOVE something you do not know. There is no universal action that is 'wanted' by every human on the planet. Even being asked 'what would you like' is not welcomed by many. The example that is often in my head is likening 'love thy neighbour as thyself' with 'do no harm'. To me these are the same thing when you breakdown what they mean. Just like there is no way to know when you are helping someone without asking them, or knowing them, there is ALSO no way of knowing what will hurt someone without the same sort of inquiry. A specific example of this is a person bleeding alone on a road. You do not know if leaving the person alone will harm the person, and you do not know whether bringing them to medical care is the will of the person, without further information. 'I Robot' Isaac Asimov's rule: ".. or through inaction allow a human to come to harm" comes to mind. If the human on the road wished to die, then you would need to ask that person if that is their WILL, if it is not obvious. If the human on the road wished to be helped, then you would need to ask the person.. or in absence of more information you could gamble one way or the other. There is still no way to know if harm or help is the result of your actions. Perhaps blood transfusions are not their will, but setting their bones back in place is their will. It is 'respect of their unique will' that is the common thread between 'do no harm' and 'love thy neighbour'
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏👏
@@NaN-noCZ Steelmanning means to improve your opponent's arguments in favour of the ideas trying to be expressed. If you alter what they are saying, then that's not steelmanning that's warping what they are saying.
Because he expected Professor Ward to make an argument in favour of the motion when, in truth, he doesn't agree with it and instead used a different definition of "morally bankrupt" when we all know what is meant by this phrase. A little disingenuous but then what other option does one have when faced with such a horribly skewed proposition?
I really liked my Christian Philosophy professor. I wrote my final paper arguing his class should not be taught andnhe gave me an A. I then asked him to be my advisor in the major. Nice guy.
System is the problem 🏡 Our Life should be around these Great Qualities 1, Show all living creatures; all the love and kindness as much as you can. 2, Only try to be honest with yourself. If you try to be honest with others, you will get into big trouble soon or later. 3, Aim only one target at a time; otherwise you are chasing two rabbits and you will miss both. So, the reason behind it. Have one powerful reason and never ever give up the one you want the most. 4, Don't try to be good person only but be the powerful person. We will grow to be the one or we will die. There is no other choice. 5, Always learn and look for to improve something your life. 6, You are not alone. Love and faith the high power reduces unnecessary stress in life. But never completely rely on it. 7, Success and happiness are the byproducts of our usefulness. So, always increase the possibility of success. 8, Life is not going to be easy. Because of our unnecessary things. Eliminate all the unnecessary things as much as you can by organising yourself well with the environments. 9, Never believe anything without the proper evidences. 10, Always try to give more than you take. Because it is dignity/ character of the divinity within you. 🌎 As long as people continue to see themselves as separate from everything else, they lend themselves to being completely enslaved. Success depends on how well we relate to everything around us. Joy comes from that bliss of connectedness. I believe that unarmed truth and love will have the final word in reality. To love; you should have good heart. I am a good person until I see a person better than my standard of goodness. Being good is the progress towards a worthy cause. Love is God. Whoever lives in love, lives forever. How selfish it is to try to keep something forever? Love is all about nourishing, nurturing, sharing and expanding the love within you for all. The principle to which we adhere to is that we have kindness of love at heart for the whole of mankind. As long as there is the unnecessary differences within us; we can not live peacefully so we have to eliminate all the unnecessary differences among us so we can love all. People abilities may vary but not there true love. If we love a person/ God for a reason then we love the reason but not the person. No reason is the reason to love the person because true love never fails. So do not compare or measure the true love as first or the last but love all truly. If you love people truly then you can understand people. If you don't love then you don't understand people at all. People are controlled by system why? The Cyclical Consumption is the current economy all over the World. It is making the scarcity problems of the earth finite resources to deteriorate day by day. Current Monetary System is legalised theft. Real money is Gold and Silver. Scarcity gives the money more value. Real money won't lose it's value. When Governments stay away from Gold & Silver then very easy to transfer the wealth / resources to upper class the Rich (Corporatocracy) Elite. When the Governments are printing out more new fiat currency with reserve banks, our old currency is losing its purchasing power everyday. They are printing millions of currency everyday. All governments and laws are existing right now to transfer wealth to upper class the rich elite. The USA Government & other Governments are in many countries, bailed the investment banks & financial institutions in 2008 against the majority of the people. There is no democracy in any countries. Because of the Money System based on profits motive only above all else even humans lives and well-being. So, we do not have freedom to protect our values with the money so on. The violence, bankruptcy & all the negativities are build into the Monetary System of our society. All are owned (including ourselves) by Reserve Bank. Which is private cartel the corporation. So, in legal system, we are legally considered as chattel the properties. They make money in the capital markets with our birth certificates. They do not consider us as Humans. That's the truth. We are at the invisible war with the Elites (Corporatocracies). We have to fight for our Freedom. Resource Based Economy is the Solution. We have to declare the earth resources as the heritage of all the people of this world. So everyone has access to it. Please have your research about zeitgeist movement then you know the truth more. Truth About Health/Drugs Industry Because Of It Your Life At High Risk The drug industry is a 1/2 trillion dollars a year worldwide conglomerate. Almost 300 billions dollars just in North America. That is really big business. What would happen if everyone were well? There is no money in health. You see, good health makes a lot of sense but it doesn't make a lot of dollars. Because everything they do is toxic. Every drug they use, prescription drugs, all drugs are liver toxic, bar none. If you've had amalgam fillings put in your mouth by dentists. It is highly toxic. There's cancer because most of the chemos are themselves carcinogens. To view the tumor as the cancer and we know the tumor is not the cancer. The cancer industry is 200 billions dollars a year. The more work they get, the more profit there is. You have to dismantle; If the truth ever came out about what we would need to do. 30% of people of females in America are at risk of getting, will get cancer of the breast. The ones that are already dead have been grossly mistreated by the medical profession and by the government that supposedly is supposed to encourage free research and development of all possibilities. Why would medical doctors who studied medicine and practice medicine and are heavily funded by pharmaceutical companies why would they go and look into vitamins? That they never had the answer orthomolecular. And as more and more of our population start taking their health into their own hands, there's going to be even more and more of changes. It can't go on the way it is. The system is failing apart. We must make nutrition the primary prevention strategy for the population. You are what you eat. You are everything that you have ever done to yourself. The choices you make directly affect the outcome of your life. - (Food Matters Documentary in Netflix) 😊 Well, I truly love God. I am not religious but very spiritual person. So, I believe 1) Religion is the beliefs in someone experiences But spirituality is having my own experiences. The mainstream religions people promote religious ideology by giving guidelines and guide but In my spiritual life; I do not want anyone or anything between God and me to restrict my freedom to worship God. 2) We do not need any authorities to do good work. The god work is the good work always. In contrast; organised mainstream religions are claiming that they have the authorities to do God works as leaders so on. 3) God is not capable of doing wrong thing, change the past for us and create anything out of nothing for us. Nothing means not anything. So, even God is limited. The mainstream religious people believe that God is unlimited. 4) God wants us to take responsibilities for our righteousness life but not for all the consequences of our actions because they are continued to exist among us. So, How can god punish us for all our consequences? The mainstream religious people believe we are full of sins because of all our actions. 5) Freewill is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure. So, we do not have choices all the time. In contrast teachings of the mainstream religions are promoting people to do god's will always because we all have choices of freewill always. 6) We can not separate everything into groups. So, everything for good and evil and there's no success and failure for everything. If everything is real then real things can not be threatened. Once you come to understand that God/The Holy Spirit is in each of us, You will no longer need a Book to tell you how to live. Then why we need religious scriptures? The Virtue is the expression of the basic goodness in our actions. The Basic goodness is the fundamental worthiness of every individuals. We are worthy to God always in everything. 7) Beliefs in a cruel God makes a cruel man. No matter what; every living creatures has the right to live and What makes their life cheap? Everything depends on everything. Nothing too big or too small in value. We can not love and hate at the same time; Being a vegetarian means love without cruelty happily. The mainstream religious people are killing people and sacrificing animals in the name of God. They promote God's cruel punishments. The Punishment is endless for Sinners/Devil according to religious scriptures. But God is love always. Overcome hate with love. If all religions for peace, unity? No way. Because they are not for peace. 8) Well, The God gave us everything to go from moment to moment in our lives as we do our part and pray only to thank god then the Love is in progress. The Love is always for everyone. We are always worthy of the God's love. Our greatest fear is; not to be loved by anyone but we are all loved by someone. When we eliminate all our unnecessary differences among us then true peaceful life is possible with the true love. If we can't find the peace within ourselves then we will never find it anywhere else. 9) This is the Fight for independence and freedom of humanity to worship God freely without religious guide and guidelines to restrict us. Unnecessarily, We do not want third party controls over us in anything ; especially in spirituality. 10) Revive Survive Thrive. Sincerely, The Real Peacemaker against religious oppression. ua-cam.com/video/HbvCxMfcKv4/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/pIJHJzDQcRM/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/MyxbdmAnIcI/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/wLzeakKC6fE/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/P8vHa8zD7jY/v-deo.html .
What I appreciate from the beginning in this amazing video is the thumbnail and the way you didn't edit it in a grandiose way, in a way to make it seems as if you're superior, unlike what I've seen in SO many Christian pastor and apologists' channels. Because you truly value truth, reason and a good, challenging conversation. I appreciate that amazing work ethic you have!
@@Jgp4xzdmqnmil It's a playful onomatopoeia 😁 Look it up my friend :) P.S Been a while since I've encountered a grammar Nazi, I thought you guys went extinct or something
I haven't heard someone refer to "gays" in so long that I thought he said "the issue of gaze,' like there was a problem with staring hard at people now that wasn't a thing when he was young. 😆
@@brugnonpatrimoine8713 no one really called themselves "gay" before a few decades ago... maybe he's pedantically right? He just isn't counting the permanently unmarried bachelors who primarily hung out with other permanently unmarried bachelors. 😂
@Ismael Barrera you’re talking about “free will”, and I agree on some level that free will is perhaps Illusory (I lean towards it being this way, although we cannot currently confirm this) The difference is that your examples are malleable and are ascribed responsibility, one can change their xenophobic views and one receives societal consequences for acting upon them. Sexual preference is “hard wiring” that we have so far been incapable of changing.
Yeah - that’s a rather odd take on things, isn’t it? I think what he is intending however is that religion doesn’t in its essential being necessitate devaluing anyone, although it ought to be apparent that religion has often opposed equality - or at the very least opposed the form of it we value. (Also I haven’t watched the video I’m only 7 minutes in so if I’m missing something that why)
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏👏
@@FendiYT Thats some howash ur talking right there. Interesting however is the notion that the earth requires agency to move. Why do religious ppl assume stuff requires agency? I always found that odd.
I hear Christopher’s influence more and more. It’s surprisingly comforting and nostalgic hearing that familiar style of speech. The breathing pauses mid sentence, inflections, vocabulary, and presence are spot. I really appreciate you.
Alex! This is so good. Thank you for posting this. All of your debates/philosophical conversations are priceless. Amazing video. Loved every second. What a respectable opponent, he's written more books than years you have lived, me as well. What a legend and bastion of philosophy. I could not ask for more from a philosophy channel.
I'm currently at fourty minutes mark and it was amazing how you went straight for the heart of the argument. You cut off the professor's path to any possibility of victory in your first speech, and then proceeded to a friendly banter.
@@philkesler you're looking too hard into it. He's just saying he thinks Alex made a great speech that made him look like the one who's right as soon as the debate started.
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏
@J w Not sure I have a preference when it comes to Alex of GMS, and even RR has shown significant growth. I may disagree with their atheists agenda, as it never seems to address anything I happen to believe yet keeps pretending it does, but I can hardly blame them as most people seem ignorant of Hempel's paradox to the degree most of them make claims similar to "white ravens don't exist" by merely having observed black ravens as validation for that claim. Even physicists repeatedly make the mistake of claiming to be talking about the (entire) universe while merely being talking about only the visible part of the universe. People are sloppy and often leave out necessarily intended restrictions that apply to their statements as they haven't considered the possibility another person wouldn't necessarily make the same restriction. For instance the statement "5+5=10" is valid when applying a decimal number system, since a decimal number system is the default for most people in the western world we don't mention the number system the statement is made in. But "4+4=10" is equally valid when applying an octal number system, however when making a statement like this, only few people will understand the truth of it if you don't mention you are applying an octal number system, most would assume the statement is made in a decimal number system even though the applied number system isn't mentioned.
@Egalitarian 4life If you don't know what the other person is talking about, you cannot possibly derive to a conclusion about what is stated, and certainly can't draw the conclusion the other person is pretending. It's obvious that by this statement you are pretending to know something you denied to know in the previous sentence, you are not even internally consistent in your claims. Either you don't know what the other person is talking about, or you do know what the other person is talking about and have evidence for the other person to be pretending. You can't have it both ways.
@@BlacksmithTWD Existential claims are verifiable, not falsifiable. Universal claims are falsifiable, but not verifiable. No one educated on logic says “God doesn’t exist because I’ve never seen it” They either say “I don’t accept that God exists because it hasn’t been verified” Or “God doesn’t exist because (some actual reason usually based on trying to demonstrate an impossibility using claimed properties of god) You say black swans exist, show me one. Hempel’s paradox is both irrelevant and not a paradox.
@J w you are serioulsy overestimating Peterson, all his "credentials" function only to increase his ego and to serve as an excuse to talk about topic he doesnt even grasp. The guy cant even explain what foucault ideas are in a class, and he is suppouse to be a professor, give me a break. I still dont manage to understand how poeople think he does a great job at "debunking" big thinkers while at the same time not even knowing what their ideas or contributions are, the man is a clwon, puting it simple. its funny that you ask for credentials, when peterson, as professor of psychology, tries explain marxism (to give an expample) and fails astronomically, missing the mark completely, and he is suppouse to be the one to explain why marxism is wrong at a high profile debates? at the same time, admiting the last time he read a marxist book (the comunist manifesto, the shortest book of the author that serves as a panphlet) was when he was a teen? these days the bar for "credible" is incredibly and painfully low.
@Kenura Medagedara true but he brought up moral points and what the bible says about them. Then Alex brought up counters directly from the bible. Then the prof. Just went to people he knows and how they act. They immediately run away from the O.T
Ok, numbers 31 :18 that Alex and others refer to, says Numbers 31:18 [18]But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Ok. How ever, in the original Hebrew, in wich the Bible o.t. was written says Numbers 31:18 [18]Numbers 31:18 [18]But all the women h802 children,h2945 that have not known h3045 a man h2145 by lying h4904 with him, keep alive h2421for yourselves. The numbers represent the hebrew word. Which are then translated. Notice that " for yourselves" has no number after it. Means its not there in original language. It just say "keep alive" So, the alex saying to keep them for sexual slaves, is flat out, plain old wrong. You would think that a genius would check his work and make the effort to make sure he had the info correct. But he didnt. So he looks the fool, and all you whom comment after him as well. May God have mercy on us all.
@@philkesler I agree that in order to rationally believe something one should have evidence, but I got curious. Which one is the statement you are looking evidence for? Is it that Alex have a very nice handling of the Euthyphro dilemma? Is it that the professor was "reeilng words"? Because evidence for both of them would consist on time stamps and then you (as everyone does) would either be convinced, or not, and that sir would be outside of my (and even your) control, since belief (as in "the result of being convinced") is not voluntary.
@@philkesler see the conversation between 30:00 and 40:00. Alex drills him on providing a reason why we should obey God/why we should be good, and the professor cannot give him an answer
@@philkesler "You have made a claim that I have placed in quotations above, which has a truth value. In order for it to be reasonable for anyone to believe your claim, it should be supported by evidence and reason. Can you provide evidence to support this claim or will you concede that your claim is dogma based on faithful conviction? Thank you for your voluntary participation in the investigation of the nature of reality, sir." You done gone and said a thing so I done gone and put quotes 'round this here thing. Please go ahead and done gone provide some dog gone evidencery for this here thing, otherwise you must gone done and admit that this here thing is some kind of faithfullery and convictionation. Thanking ya'll kindly for your voluntarian participiationism in this here ivestigationery of reality, partner. Dagnabbit.
System is the problem 🏡 Our Life should be around these Great Qualities 1, Show all living creatures; all the love and kindness as much as you can. 2, Only try to be honest with yourself. If you try to be honest with others, you will get into big trouble soon or later. 3, Aim only one target at a time; otherwise you are chasing two rabbits and you will miss both. So, the reason behind it. Have one powerful reason and never ever give up the one you want the most. 4, Don't try to be good person only but be the powerful person. We will grow to be the one or we will die. There is no other choice. 5, Always learn and look for to improve something your life. 6, You are not alone. Love and faith the high power reduces unnecessary stress in life. But never completely rely on it. 7, Success and happiness are the byproducts of our usefulness. So, always increase the possibility of success. 8, Life is not going to be easy. Because of our unnecessary things. Eliminate all the unnecessary things as much as you can by organising yourself well with the environments. 9, Never believe anything without the proper evidences. 10, Always try to give more than you take. Because it is dignity/ character of the divinity within you. 🌎 As long as people continue to see themselves as separate from everything else, they lend themselves to being completely enslaved. Success depends on how well we relate to everything around us. Joy comes from that bliss of connectedness. I believe that unarmed truth and love will have the final word in reality. To love; you should have good heart. I am a good person until I see a person better than my standard of goodness. Being good is the progress towards a worthy cause. Love is God. Whoever lives in love, lives forever. How selfish it is to try to keep something forever? Love is all about nourishing, nurturing, sharing and expanding the love within you for all. 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Real money won't lose it's value. When Governments stay away from Gold & Silver then very easy to transfer the wealth / resources to upper class the Rich (Corporatocracy) Elite. When the Governments are printing out more new fiat currency with reserve banks, our old currency is losing its purchasing power everyday. They are printing millions of currency everyday. All governments and laws are existing right now to transfer wealth to upper class the rich elite. The USA Government & other Governments are in many countries, bailed the investment banks & financial institutions in 2008 against the majority of the people. There is no democracy in any countries. Because of the Money System based on profits motive only above all else even humans lives and well-being. So, we do not have freedom to protect our values with the money so on. The violence, bankruptcy & all the negativities are build into the Monetary System of our society. All are owned (including ourselves) by Reserve Bank. 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Every drug they use, prescription drugs, all drugs are liver toxic, bar none. If you've had amalgam fillings put in your mouth by dentists. It is highly toxic. There's cancer because most of the chemos are themselves carcinogens. To view the tumor as the cancer and we know the tumor is not the cancer. The cancer industry is 200 billions dollars a year. The more work they get, the more profit there is. You have to dismantle; If the truth ever came out about what we would need to do. 30% of people of females in America are at risk of getting, will get cancer of the breast. The ones that are already dead have been grossly mistreated by the medical profession and by the government that supposedly is supposed to encourage free research and development of all possibilities. Why would medical doctors who studied medicine and practice medicine and are heavily funded by pharmaceutical companies why would they go and look into vitamins? That they never had the answer orthomolecular. And as more and more of our population start taking their health into their own hands, there's going to be even more and more of changes. It can't go on the way it is. The system is failing apart. We must make nutrition the primary prevention strategy for the population. You are what you eat. You are everything that you have ever done to yourself. The choices you make directly affect the outcome of your life. - (Food Matters Documentary in Netflix) 😊 Well, I truly love God. I am not religious but very spiritual person. So, I believe 1) Religion is the beliefs in someone experiences But spirituality is having my own experiences. The mainstream religions people promote religious ideology by giving guidelines and guide but In my spiritual life; I do not want anyone or anything between God and me to restrict my freedom to worship God. 2) We do not need any authorities to do good work. The god work is the good work always. In contrast; organised mainstream religions are claiming that they have the authorities to do God works as leaders so on. 3) God is not capable of doing wrong thing, change the past for us and create anything out of nothing for us. Nothing means not anything. So, even God is limited. The mainstream religious people believe that God is unlimited. 4) God wants us to take responsibilities for our righteousness life but not for all the consequences of our actions because they are continued to exist among us. So, How can god punish us for all our consequences? The mainstream religious people believe we are full of sins because of all our actions. 5) Freewill is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure. So, we do not have choices all the time. In contrast teachings of the mainstream religions are promoting people to do god's will always because we all have choices of freewill always. 6) We can not separate everything into groups. 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I don't think I'll ever be able to become full vegan, but vegetarian might be within the realm of possibility. Also, right now I go on average 2 to 3 weeks without meat, however the craving still gets me. I am fine with this anyways because I believe that we should drastically reduce the amount of meat the average person ingests. That is what I am doing, and that is what I will continue to teach. If Beyond Meat actually becomes a mega manufacturer, my goal of becoming a vegetarian might be possible. P.S If that is you in the picture, that is mighty impressive.
@@HaloWolf102 glad to hear it. Every step in the right direction counts. I used to think I would never be able to go fully vegan but I’m getting more and more accustomed to it and I’ve found my tastes are changing as well. I accidentally forgot to order almond milk in my chai latte the other day and I figured well I might as well drink it anyways cause it’s wasted regardless, but I found I couldn’t even finish it because I just couldn’t with cows milk anymore. Maybe your tastes will change too! Also yes! That’s me in the photo ☺️ haven’t done aerial silks since COVID started because of quarantine but I miss it a lot
I see so many people making superficial bully-type commentaries about the Christian professor before they can even watch half of the video. This is not only useless, but it also hinders debate. The basis for atheist morality is a fascinating, complex topic of discussion, and if you can't even bother to listen to a different point of view without insulting the speaker, why waste your time watching?
Yeah because of the things he has said before even half the video is over are ridiculous, I don't need to finish the whole video to call them out as utterly ridiculous, the same old brainwashed nonsense one has heard hundreds of times in other debates and even dangerous.
@@asdfffs Right, I understand calling out specific things he's saying. The issue is when people resort to calling him a "drunk idiot" or something of the like without even pointing out what they disagree with.
That's easy. The Christian will be passing laws against minorities and declaring everything they do is right no matter how wrong because they have religious freedom.
@@Vaylash Guess you missed the past 2000 years of history but, you know, why learn anything about facts and reality. Also, look up someone named Amy Bennett. Her Christian beliefs are going to devastate minority populations, mainly women.
"we didn't have any gays, because we didn't use the word" *facepalm* and kind of insulting it still boils down to: "well you don't have any basis for anything, because I have a book that says there are, and we're only here to tell you that."
I must say, there is artistic quality in the framing of this debate scene; golden ratio is almost on point, good dimmed lighting, very pleasant color gamut and balance. All unwanted but it's just nice to look at.
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏
This is great food for thought I'll probably rewatch this a few times Thank you to everyone that participated in creating this content, it's wonderful :)
i love the scenery here, just a cozy building where two gentlemen have decided to speak their truths with respect. I wanna sit by a window like that one someday
@@philkesler The sufficient evidence for the claim "The professor admitted that one can construct an atheist moral system." is that in 47:27 he said "I agree. You can have morality without God" therefore this claim is not based on dogma or a faithful conviction.
@@joshuajohn8870 Correct, it is a question on what grounds do the moral systems rest. How does the atheistic moral system know that killing an innocent is wrong and punishable? Is it just a socially agreed upon behaviour which may one day get changed or something objectively wrong?
Once again Alex, great debate! It was refreshing to see an opponent, although religious, who is well spoken and doesn't really imply his thoughts as superior to yours.
I've watched a number of debates with Alex in the fray. This kid (and I say it with respect) is wickedly smart. It is interesting (and embarrasing) to see him make a professor squirm. The professor probably thought he was going to have a nice night-out with the children pontificating his superior knowledge. Instead he got (gently) mauld.
“My morality is based on being kind to other people but if I don’t say I get that idea from thinking about a god that doesn’t communicate with me then my morality is bankrupt.” Alex tied him in knots.
My favourite is when he occasionally ends sentences in his talks with a kind of rhetorical, mildly patronising question, like "don't you think?" Hitchens did that all the time.
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏👏
As much as I respect this man’s kindness and demeanor a lot, omg I’d HATE to have him as my professor. His way of speaking is so roundabout, unfinished, and awkward, ugh, I’d fail his class ‘cause he never finishes sentences!
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏
@@FendiYT I genuinely can’t tell if you’re being serious or not, but even if I could, I’m confused as to where your line of questioning goes. Because, like, I understand and can answer all of these questions very easily... does that somehow make me god in your eyes?
Omg I thought I was the only one. I thought it might be me not understanding his accent but yeah, his voice has a low mumble to it and it sounds like he says certain words but I think he just ends his sentences with a grumble lol
Religious thinking cannot really be properly expressed through language. Language is a mere image of direct meaning. Like we are a mere image of God. So Theologians don't tend to get pulled into the gravity well of linguistic essentialisim.
New subscriber. Binging your videos. Premise was a most impossible to defend but I'll be honest Alex. With the picture off I would have sworn the labels 'professor' and 'student' should have been flipped. Your arguments and rebuttals to every point made were sound well articulated. I admire you, your ethics, undoubtedly arrived at by massive amount of time, effort and study and I look forward to witnessing your inevitable progress in the debate sphere. I see a new Hitchens in the making. I wish you all all possible luck and success.
System is the problem 🏡 Our Life should be around these Great Qualities 1, Show all living creatures; all the love and kindness as much as you can. 2, Only try to be honest with yourself. If you try to be honest with others, you will get into big trouble soon or later. 3, Aim only one target at a time; otherwise you are chasing two rabbits and you will miss both. So, the reason behind it. Have one powerful reason and never ever give up the one you want the most. 4, Don't try to be good person only but be the powerful person. We will grow to be the one or we will die. There is no other choice. 5, Always learn and look for to improve something your life. 6, You are not alone. Love and faith the high power reduces unnecessary stress in life. But never completely rely on it. 7, Success and happiness are the byproducts of our usefulness. So, always increase the possibility of success. 8, Life is not going to be easy. Because of our unnecessary things. Eliminate all the unnecessary things as much as you can by organising yourself well with the environments. 9, Never believe anything without the proper evidences. 10, Always try to give more than you take. Because it is dignity/ character of the divinity within you. 🌎 As long as people continue to see themselves as separate from everything else, they lend themselves to being completely enslaved. Success depends on how well we relate to everything around us. Joy comes from that bliss of connectedness. I believe that unarmed truth and love will have the final word in reality. To love; you should have good heart. I am a good person until I see a person better than my standard of goodness. Being good is the progress towards a worthy cause. Love is God. Whoever lives in love, lives forever. How selfish it is to try to keep something forever? Love is all about nourishing, nurturing, sharing and expanding the love within you for all. The principle to which we adhere to is that we have kindness of love at heart for the whole of mankind. As long as there is the unnecessary differences within us; we can not live peacefully so we have to eliminate all the unnecessary differences among us so we can love all. People abilities may vary but not there true love. If we love a person/ God for a reason then we love the reason but not the person. No reason is the reason to love the person because true love never fails. So do not compare or measure the true love as first or the last but love all truly. If you love people truly then you can understand people. If you don't love then you don't understand people at all. People are controlled by system why? The Cyclical Consumption is the current economy all over the World. It is making the scarcity problems of the earth finite resources to deteriorate day by day. Current Monetary System is legalised theft. Real money is Gold and Silver. Scarcity gives the money more value. Real money won't lose it's value. When Governments stay away from Gold & Silver then very easy to transfer the wealth / resources to upper class the Rich (Corporatocracy) Elite. When the Governments are printing out more new fiat currency with reserve banks, our old currency is losing its purchasing power everyday. They are printing millions of currency everyday. All governments and laws are existing right now to transfer wealth to upper class the rich elite. The USA Government & other Governments are in many countries, bailed the investment banks & financial institutions in 2008 against the majority of the people. There is no democracy in any countries. Because of the Money System based on profits motive only above all else even humans lives and well-being. So, we do not have freedom to protect our values with the money so on. The violence, bankruptcy & all the negativities are build into the Monetary System of our society. All are owned (including ourselves) by Reserve Bank. Which is private cartel the corporation. So, in legal system, we are legally considered as chattel the properties. They make money in the capital markets with our birth certificates. They do not consider us as Humans. That's the truth. We are at the invisible war with the Elites (Corporatocracies). We have to fight for our Freedom. Resource Based Economy is the Solution. We have to declare the earth resources as the heritage of all the people of this world. So everyone has access to it. Please have your research about zeitgeist movement then you know the truth more. Truth About Health/Drugs Industry Because Of It Your Life At High Risk The drug industry is a 1/2 trillion dollars a year worldwide conglomerate. Almost 300 billions dollars just in North America. That is really big business. What would happen if everyone were well? There is no money in health. You see, good health makes a lot of sense but it doesn't make a lot of dollars. Because everything they do is toxic. Every drug they use, prescription drugs, all drugs are liver toxic, bar none. If you've had amalgam fillings put in your mouth by dentists. It is highly toxic. There's cancer because most of the chemos are themselves carcinogens. To view the tumor as the cancer and we know the tumor is not the cancer. The cancer industry is 200 billions dollars a year. The more work they get, the more profit there is. You have to dismantle; If the truth ever came out about what we would need to do. 30% of people of females in America are at risk of getting, will get cancer of the breast. The ones that are already dead have been grossly mistreated by the medical profession and by the government that supposedly is supposed to encourage free research and development of all possibilities. Why would medical doctors who studied medicine and practice medicine and are heavily funded by pharmaceutical companies why would they go and look into vitamins? That they never had the answer orthomolecular. And as more and more of our population start taking their health into their own hands, there's going to be even more and more of changes. It can't go on the way it is. The system is failing apart. We must make nutrition the primary prevention strategy for the population. You are what you eat. You are everything that you have ever done to yourself. The choices you make directly affect the outcome of your life. - (Food Matters Documentary in Netflix) 😊 Well, I truly love God. I am not religious but very spiritual person. So, I believe 1) Religion is the beliefs in someone experiences But spirituality is having my own experiences. The mainstream religions people promote religious ideology by giving guidelines and guide but In my spiritual life; I do not want anyone or anything between God and me to restrict my freedom to worship God. 2) We do not need any authorities to do good work. The god work is the good work always. In contrast; organised mainstream religions are claiming that they have the authorities to do God works as leaders so on. 3) God is not capable of doing wrong thing, change the past for us and create anything out of nothing for us. Nothing means not anything. So, even God is limited. The mainstream religious people believe that God is unlimited. 4) God wants us to take responsibilities for our righteousness life but not for all the consequences of our actions because they are continued to exist among us. So, How can god punish us for all our consequences? The mainstream religious people believe we are full of sins because of all our actions. 5) Freewill is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure. So, we do not have choices all the time. In contrast teachings of the mainstream religions are promoting people to do god's will always because we all have choices of freewill always. 6) We can not separate everything into groups. So, everything for good and evil and there's no success and failure for everything. If everything is real then real things can not be threatened. Once you come to understand that God/The Holy Spirit is in each of us, You will no longer need a Book to tell you how to live. Then why we need religious scriptures? The Virtue is the expression of the basic goodness in our actions. The Basic goodness is the fundamental worthiness of every individuals. We are worthy to God always in everything. 7) Beliefs in a cruel God makes a cruel man. No matter what; every living creatures has the right to live and What makes their life cheap? Everything depends on everything. Nothing too big or too small in value. We can not love and hate at the same time; Being a vegetarian means love without cruelty happily. The mainstream religious people are killing people and sacrificing animals in the name of God. They promote God's cruel punishments. The Punishment is endless for Sinners/Devil according to religious scriptures. But God is love always. Overcome hate with love. If all religions for peace, unity? No way. Because they are not for peace. 8) Well, The God gave us everything to go from moment to moment in our lives as we do our part and pray only to thank god then the Love is in progress. The Love is always for everyone. We are always worthy of the God's love. Our greatest fear is; not to be loved by anyone but we are all loved by someone. When we eliminate all our unnecessary differences among us then true peaceful life is possible with the true love. If we can't find the peace within ourselves then we will never find it anywhere else. 9) This is the Fight for independence and freedom of humanity to worship God freely without religious guide and guidelines to restrict us. Unnecessarily, We do not want third party controls over us in anything ; especially in spirituality. 10) Revive Survive Thrive. Sincerely, The Real Peacemaker against religious oppression. ua-cam.com/video/HbvCxMfcKv4/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/pIJHJzDQcRM/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/MyxbdmAnIcI/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/wLzeakKC6fE/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/P8vHa8zD7jY/v-deo.html .
@@davexmit System is the problem 🏡 Our Life should be around these Great Qualities 1, Show all living creatures; all the love and kindness as much as you can. 2, Only try to be honest with yourself. If you try to be honest with others, you will get into big trouble soon or later. 3, Aim only one target at a time; otherwise you are chasing two rabbits and you will miss both. So, the reason behind it. Have one powerful reason and never ever give up the one you want the most. 4, Don't try to be good person only but be the powerful person. We will grow to be the one or we will die. There is no other choice. 5, Always learn and look for to improve something your life. 6, You are not alone. Love and faith the high power reduces unnecessary stress in life. But never completely rely on it. 7, Success and happiness are the byproducts of our usefulness. So, always increase the possibility of success. 8, Life is not going to be easy. Because of our unnecessary things. Eliminate all the unnecessary things as much as you can by organising yourself well with the environments. 9, Never believe anything without the proper evidences. 10, Always try to give more than you take. Because it is dignity/ character of the divinity within you. 🌎 As long as people continue to see themselves as separate from everything else, they lend themselves to being completely enslaved. Success depends on how well we relate to everything around us. Joy comes from that bliss of connectedness. I believe that unarmed truth and love will have the final word in reality. To love; you should have good heart. I am a good person until I see a person better than my standard of goodness. Being good is the progress towards a worthy cause. Love is God. Whoever lives in love, lives forever. How selfish it is to try to keep something forever? Love is all about nourishing, nurturing, sharing and expanding the love within you for all. The principle to which we adhere to is that we have kindness of love at heart for the whole of mankind. As long as there is the unnecessary differences within us; we can not live peacefully so we have to eliminate all the unnecessary differences among us so we can love all. People abilities may vary but not there true love. If we love a person/ God for a reason then we love the reason but not the person. No reason is the reason to love the person because true love never fails. So do not compare or measure the true love as first or the last but love all truly. If you love people truly then you can understand people. If you don't love then you don't understand people at all. People are controlled by system why? The Cyclical Consumption is the current economy all over the World. It is making the scarcity problems of the earth finite resources to deteriorate day by day. Current Monetary System is legalised theft. Real money is Gold and Silver. Scarcity gives the money more value. Real money won't lose it's value. When Governments stay away from Gold & Silver then very easy to transfer the wealth / resources to upper class the Rich (Corporatocracy) Elite. When the Governments are printing out more new fiat currency with reserve banks, our old currency is losing its purchasing power everyday. They are printing millions of currency everyday. All governments and laws are existing right now to transfer wealth to upper class the rich elite. The USA Government & other Governments are in many countries, bailed the investment banks & financial institutions in 2008 against the majority of the people. There is no democracy in any countries. Because of the Money System based on profits motive only above all else even humans lives and well-being. So, we do not have freedom to protect our values with the money so on. The violence, bankruptcy & all the negativities are build into the Monetary System of our society. All are owned (including ourselves) by Reserve Bank. Which is private cartel the corporation. So, in legal system, we are legally considered as chattel the properties. They make money in the capital markets with our birth certificates. They do not consider us as Humans. That's the truth. We are at the invisible war with the Elites (Corporatocracies). We have to fight for our Freedom. Resource Based Economy is the Solution. We have to declare the earth resources as the heritage of all the people of this world. So everyone has access to it. Please have your research about zeitgeist movement then you know the truth more. Truth About Health/Drugs Industry Because Of It Your Life At High Risk The drug industry is a 1/2 trillion dollars a year worldwide conglomerate. Almost 300 billions dollars just in North America. That is really big business. What would happen if everyone were well? There is no money in health. You see, good health makes a lot of sense but it doesn't make a lot of dollars. Because everything they do is toxic. Every drug they use, prescription drugs, all drugs are liver toxic, bar none. If you've had amalgam fillings put in your mouth by dentists. It is highly toxic. There's cancer because most of the chemos are themselves carcinogens. To view the tumor as the cancer and we know the tumor is not the cancer. The cancer industry is 200 billions dollars a year. The more work they get, the more profit there is. You have to dismantle; If the truth ever came out about what we would need to do. 30% of people of females in America are at risk of getting, will get cancer of the breast. The ones that are already dead have been grossly mistreated by the medical profession and by the government that supposedly is supposed to encourage free research and development of all possibilities. Why would medical doctors who studied medicine and practice medicine and are heavily funded by pharmaceutical companies why would they go and look into vitamins? That they never had the answer orthomolecular. And as more and more of our population start taking their health into their own hands, there's going to be even more and more of changes. It can't go on the way it is. The system is failing apart. We must make nutrition the primary prevention strategy for the population. You are what you eat. You are everything that you have ever done to yourself. The choices you make directly affect the outcome of your life. - (Food Matters Documentary in Netflix) 😊 Well, I truly love God. I am not religious but very spiritual person. So, I believe 1) Religion is the beliefs in someone experiences But spirituality is having my own experiences. The mainstream religions people promote religious ideology by giving guidelines and guide but In my spiritual life; I do not want anyone or anything between God and me to restrict my freedom to worship God. 2) We do not need any authorities to do good work. The god work is the good work always. In contrast; organised mainstream religions are claiming that they have the authorities to do God works as leaders so on. 3) God is not capable of doing wrong thing, change the past for us and create anything out of nothing for us. Nothing means not anything. So, even God is limited. The mainstream religious people believe that God is unlimited. 4) God wants us to take responsibilities for our righteousness life but not for all the consequences of our actions because they are continued to exist among us. So, How can god punish us for all our consequences? The mainstream religious people believe we are full of sins because of all our actions. 5) Freewill is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure. So, we do not have choices all the time. In contrast teachings of the mainstream religions are promoting people to do god's will always because we all have choices of freewill always. 6) We can not separate everything into groups. So, everything for good and evil and there's no success and failure for everything. If everything is real then real things can not be threatened. Once you come to understand that God/The Holy Spirit is in each of us, You will no longer need a Book to tell you how to live. Then why we need religious scriptures? The Virtue is the expression of the basic goodness in our actions. The Basic goodness is the fundamental worthiness of every individuals. We are worthy to God always in everything. 7) Beliefs in a cruel God makes a cruel man. No matter what; every living creatures has the right to live and What makes their life cheap? Everything depends on everything. Nothing too big or too small in value. We can not love and hate at the same time; Being a vegetarian means love without cruelty happily. The mainstream religious people are killing people and sacrificing animals in the name of God. They promote God's cruel punishments. The Punishment is endless for Sinners/Devil according to religious scriptures. But God is love always. Overcome hate with love. If all religions for peace, unity? No way. Because they are not for peace. 8) Well, The God gave us everything to go from moment to moment in our lives as we do our part and pray only to thank god then the Love is in progress. The Love is always for everyone. We are always worthy of the God's love. Our greatest fear is; not to be loved by anyone but we are all loved by someone. When we eliminate all our unnecessary differences among us then true peaceful life is possible with the true love. If we can't find the peace within ourselves then we will never find it anywhere else. 9) This is the Fight for independence and freedom of humanity to worship God freely without religious guide and guidelines to restrict us. Unnecessarily, We do not want third party controls over us in anything ; especially in spirituality. 10) Revive Survive Thrive. Sincerely, The Real Peacemaker against religious oppression. ua-cam.com/video/HbvCxMfcKv4/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/pIJHJzDQcRM/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/MyxbdmAnIcI/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/wLzeakKC6fE/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/P8vHa8zD7jY/v-deo.html .
5:58 ~'So that's step one; for morality to be important to me, I have to believe that it's true that I ought to be compassionate to people, in an objective sense.' -- What I hear here is him expressing his preferences, the things he cares about, and they are shockingly limited. If later he's going to argue that only God can imbue things with objective value, this expression was effectively 'if God didn't exist and imbue people with objective value, I wouldn't care about them.' Okay professor, maybe you are something like a sociopath or psychopath? An uncaring person? (More likely you are wrong and believe this for reasons of apologetics and rationalization.)
If I were there, I might have said something like, "For morality to be important to me, I have to have a kitten or cat that approves of my behavior in an objective sense"
@@supmaidoods8753 I have never heard that in person, but I have heard people with stories like this. They think it speaks to how Faith can be transformative, to me it speaks to how people give religion credit for horrible things.
It was Professor Ward’s job to be the affirmative of “Morality Without Religion is Bankrupt” His assertion the entire debate was you can’t even have morality at all without a God. He torched his own case when he said “You can have morality without God”. You have given no proof of your assertion that anything Alex said was “nonsense.” I also find it telling that you really don’t give any proof for anything you said. Your feelings on these matter’s don’t count for much of anything as they can’t be given as proof. Professor Ward and Alex have both shown they’re far better people than you as they both gave up their tome to have a conversation which you never would have as you clearly stated.
You seem to have a misunderstanding of what even happened in the debate. Then proceed to tell me to “think harder.” I told you I was using your own judgement... Clearly you’re upset that the Professor undermined his own points by saying that you could have morality without a God... and clearly anyone can. I’m quite done with you and your clear lack of coherent sentence structure.
@J w ??? you really misunderstood what Alex was saying. He was giving analogies to demonstrate that theistic base of morality is in the end equivalent to self declared moral framework. He has demonstrated that it is essentially equivalent. Some may be motivated more by the claim that the moral framework is god-given, but that is a distinction without a real difference.
@J w the question asked by the audience at the end demonstrated clearly how the professor's argument was incoherent. She asked if you needed to believe in a God or if God needed to exist. It is impossible to demonstrate the difference, and as such any reason for believing to be good including the existence of a god is equivalent to any other. The professor believe that his definition is based in objective truth, however he cannot prove that, which makes him the same as everyone else asserting objective moral truth. The hidden argument is that either believing in anything is sufficient or believing in one very specific definition of one god is necessary. Which means that less than 5% of the world is capable of proper moral reasoning, which is ridiculous. Our morality is based in our biology which is why moral reasoning can be completely secular, and it often is, even for the religious.
Actually, he only said it is POSSIBLE to have an atheistic moral perspective, not that ALL athestic moral perspectives are legitimate. So it's not denying the motion.
This is SO FRUSTRATING, when Alex asks "why ought I do good?" Or any variation of this, NO ONE, on EITHER SIDE bothers to ask what the word "ought" means!!! Define it and the question becomes crystal clear!!
Really quality discussion. True listening, without manipulations. natural development of the conversation. It is beautiful to see a young person and an older person talking at eye level in appreciation and listening. I always feel that it is very difficult to bridge the gap between the two generations. you show me that human beings are able to listen to each other.
This video reminds me of wisdom that my grand pa once told me at a wedding. It was so merry and we were sitting next to the speakers, unfortunately the volume was too high and I couldn't hear the wisdow.
Around 20 minutes in, the Christian shoots himself in the foot with Poland's example... While it's true that the Catholic church made some positive impact on the country at that time, contemporary events show exactly why religion and politics shouldn't mix!
@@griiiim well, at least we would never appoint someone to the highest court in the land that believes that the spirit of God enters her and allows her to speak in tongues. Oh we just did?!? 😲 Well, shit. 🤦🏼♂️
Well an additional comment: I am German and sometimes I have difficulties to follow both of you or, due to the sound, understanding the questions from the audience. Is it possible to make subtitles? There is an automatic function to allow artificially generated subtitles. They aren't perfect, but better than nothing.
Watching from CoV quarantine: Apart from the fabulous debate culture and great thought processes from both sides I love the camera perspective. Makes me feel like I actually sit in the room. Props Alex & Keith!
Great debate Alex. I fear that I didn’t learn much from your opponent. It seems as though he has been out of touch with opposing ideas and debate for some time. Perhaps the motion was insurmountable for his side to defend. I learned something from you as always. Thank you for that.
This conversation is one that needs to be had. I’m a massive fan of Christopher Hitchens, but I have always felt that this is an area that he was actually quite weak in(though he was incredibly strong in applied morality). Hearing these points articulated is a breath of fresh air. Thank you.
He seems like the kind of guy who's got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan; he speaks a dozen languages and knows every local custom...
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏👏
It's quite interesting how professor first dismissed Euthyphro dilemma in his opening, but then got stumped by the question of "why are we ought to do what is good". Almost like dilemma still stands no matter how hard you try to redefine the source of good.
Sorry, but I have to "virtually" smirk at Alex for executing (pun intended) the "No True Scotsman fallacy" for secularism at 23:10 only because I have seen this call out used extensively by atheists when criticizing many theists. Is there even an code or a single primary source that most, let alone all secularists actually agree upon? I mean, secularism as a philosophy implicitly claims superiority over any and all religions, and what would prove that more than its institution eradicating all of them, no matter the means, whether via might or intellectually, so they no longer exist?
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏
"Good" A loaded word! Better to ask if something is "Beneficial". Natural selection doesn't select what is "good" but does select what is better adapted (i.e. beneficial).
Semantics, any attempt to quantify morality, purely through a secular Atheistic world view, can't escape the problem of Nihilism (if God doesn't exist, the universe is a cosmic accident with no intended meaning and no set values, any moral language becomes subjective and arbitrary if that's true). And the fact, that morals can't be proven by scientific observation or tangible proof. If you're world view is limited to the material world, you shouldn't really hold onto any morality, or standards. In an absolutist way. Cuz these things don't really exist according to science and our observable reality.
@@halaldunya918 how about empathy? You dont need God for empathy. I dont hit someone cause I know how unpleasant it is to be hit; therefore, I'd feel guilty for causing anyone else that pain. If you're only doing good things, or what your religion considers to be good things, for the purpose of reward and avoiding eternal damnation, then you're not really that great of a person anyway because your reasons are selfish.
People do not need to believe in a spiritual observer to see others as conscious entities, to understand their experiences in terms of your own or to treat them accordingly.. This is an act of perception and understanding, it's a personal realisation. Conversely threats of punishment or reward are external, social factors. The Dog doesn't require a God to be trained, just approval and disapproval. Therefore moral behaviour can be approached through two different directions, the internal and the external and neither depends on the supernatural or suffers from it's absence.
Divine command theorists "deprive God of the designation good: for what cause could one have to praise him for what he does, if in doing something quite different he would have done equally well?" Leibniz, Gottfried (1710). Théodicée.
See, the thing is that in both of their prepared speeches they both said specifically that they were not debating if morality were possible without god, only that it would be "bankrupt" or essentially empty without religion. So when they got to that point I think they veered off topic a bit ._.
@@VeraDragon I agree, and then Alex responded in kind by addressing Professor Ward's statements and directly clarifying that it would be possible. It was not as easy to follow the professor's arguments as it was to follow Alex's, and his opening line really didn't help clarify exactly what he was defending unless you paid careful attention to the last sentence or two. Alex clarified it really well though, so it was easier to pay attention to the details of the arguments on both sides after that.
The proper response should have been "What we're debating here is whether we can have morality without believing in God?" "Oh yes we can" Everyone would agree on the fact that someone who doesn't believe in God can have a proper moral ethics and values. The question is "how we can explain the existence of morality when we deny the existence of higher being that have that standard of Good ontologically" A person can know these moral ethics without believing in God, but ultimately he/she won't have anything to ground on to reason why those moral values exist? why should every single human being follow the same principles of morality if some random atheist says so? why should I follow the opinion of some human like me on how I should behave and act? There are also some cases where the choice that is moral doesn't even makes sense to reason it. For instance, forgiving someone that have done pretty bad things to you....... personally, I won't have any reason why not to take vengeance for the sake of revenge.
System is the problem 🏡 Our Life should be around these Great Qualities 1, Show all living creatures; all the love and kindness as much as you can. 2, Only try to be honest with yourself. If you try to be honest with others, you will get into big trouble soon or later. 3, Aim only one target at a time; otherwise you are chasing two rabbits and you will miss both. So, the reason behind it. Have one powerful reason and never ever give up the one you want the most. 4, Don't try to be good person only but be the powerful person. We will grow to be the one or we will die. There is no other choice. 5, Always learn and look for to improve something your life. 6, You are not alone. Love and faith the high power reduces unnecessary stress in life. But never completely rely on it. 7, Success and happiness are the byproducts of our usefulness. So, always increase the possibility of success. 8, Life is not going to be easy. Because of our unnecessary things. Eliminate all the unnecessary things as much as you can by organising yourself well with the environments. 9, Never believe anything without the proper evidences. 10, Always try to give more than you take. Because it is dignity/ character of the divinity within you. 🌎 As long as people continue to see themselves as separate from everything else, they lend themselves to being completely enslaved. Success depends on how well we relate to everything around us. Joy comes from that bliss of connectedness. I believe that unarmed truth and love will have the final word in reality. To love; you should have good heart. I am a good person until I see a person better than my standard of goodness. Being good is the progress towards a worthy cause. Love is God. Whoever lives in love, lives forever. How selfish it is to try to keep something forever? Love is all about nourishing, nurturing, sharing and expanding the love within you for all. The principle to which we adhere to is that we have kindness of love at heart for the whole of mankind. As long as there is the unnecessary differences within us; we can not live peacefully so we have to eliminate all the unnecessary differences among us so we can love all. People abilities may vary but not there true love. If we love a person/ God for a reason then we love the reason but not the person. No reason is the reason to love the person because true love never fails. So do not compare or measure the true love as first or the last but love all truly. If you love people truly then you can understand people. If you don't love then you don't understand people at all. People are controlled by system why? The Cyclical Consumption is the current economy all over the World. It is making the scarcity problems of the earth finite resources to deteriorate day by day. Current Monetary System is legalised theft. Real money is Gold and Silver. Scarcity gives the money more value. Real money won't lose it's value. When Governments stay away from Gold & Silver then very easy to transfer the wealth / resources to upper class the Rich (Corporatocracy) Elite. When the Governments are printing out more new fiat currency with reserve banks, our old currency is losing its purchasing power everyday. They are printing millions of currency everyday. All governments and laws are existing right now to transfer wealth to upper class the rich elite. The USA Government & other Governments are in many countries, bailed the investment banks & financial institutions in 2008 against the majority of the people. There is no democracy in any countries. Because of the Money System based on profits motive only above all else even humans lives and well-being. So, we do not have freedom to protect our values with the money so on. The violence, bankruptcy & all the negativities are build into the Monetary System of our society. All are owned (including ourselves) by Reserve Bank. Which is private cartel the corporation. So, in legal system, we are legally considered as chattel the properties. They make money in the capital markets with our birth certificates. They do not consider us as Humans. That's the truth. We are at the invisible war with the Elites (Corporatocracies). We have to fight for our Freedom. Resource Based Economy is the Solution. We have to declare the earth resources as the heritage of all the people of this world. So everyone has access to it. Please have your research about zeitgeist movement then you know the truth more. Truth About Health/Drugs Industry Because Of It Your Life At High Risk The drug industry is a 1/2 trillion dollars a year worldwide conglomerate. Almost 300 billions dollars just in North America. That is really big business. What would happen if everyone were well? There is no money in health. You see, good health makes a lot of sense but it doesn't make a lot of dollars. Because everything they do is toxic. Every drug they use, prescription drugs, all drugs are liver toxic, bar none. If you've had amalgam fillings put in your mouth by dentists. It is highly toxic. There's cancer because most of the chemos are themselves carcinogens. To view the tumor as the cancer and we know the tumor is not the cancer. The cancer industry is 200 billions dollars a year. The more work they get, the more profit there is. You have to dismantle; If the truth ever came out about what we would need to do. 30% of people of females in America are at risk of getting, will get cancer of the breast. The ones that are already dead have been grossly mistreated by the medical profession and by the government that supposedly is supposed to encourage free research and development of all possibilities. Why would medical doctors who studied medicine and practice medicine and are heavily funded by pharmaceutical companies why would they go and look into vitamins? That they never had the answer orthomolecular. And as more and more of our population start taking their health into their own hands, there's going to be even more and more of changes. It can't go on the way it is. The system is failing apart. We must make nutrition the primary prevention strategy for the population. You are what you eat. You are everything that you have ever done to yourself. The choices you make directly affect the outcome of your life. - (Food Matters Documentary in Netflix) 😊 Well, I truly love God. I am not religious but very spiritual person. So, I believe 1) Religion is the beliefs in someone experiences But spirituality is having my own experiences. The mainstream religions people promote religious ideology by giving guidelines and guide but In my spiritual life; I do not want anyone or anything between God and me to restrict my freedom to worship God. 2) We do not need any authorities to do good work. The god work is the good work always. In contrast; organised mainstream religions are claiming that they have the authorities to do God works as leaders so on. 3) God is not capable of doing wrong thing, change the past for us and create anything out of nothing for us. Nothing means not anything. So, even God is limited. The mainstream religious people believe that God is unlimited. 4) God wants us to take responsibilities for our righteousness life but not for all the consequences of our actions because they are continued to exist among us. So, How can god punish us for all our consequences? The mainstream religious people believe we are full of sins because of all our actions. 5) Freewill is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure. So, we do not have choices all the time. In contrast teachings of the mainstream religions are promoting people to do god's will always because we all have choices of freewill always. 6) We can not separate everything into groups. So, everything for good and evil and there's no success and failure for everything. If everything is real then real things can not be threatened. Once you come to understand that God/The Holy Spirit is in each of us, You will no longer need a Book to tell you how to live. Then why we need religious scriptures? The Virtue is the expression of the basic goodness in our actions. The Basic goodness is the fundamental worthiness of every individuals. We are worthy to God always in everything. 7) Beliefs in a cruel God makes a cruel man. No matter what; every living creatures has the right to live and What makes their life cheap? Everything depends on everything. Nothing too big or too small in value. We can not love and hate at the same time; Being a vegetarian means love without cruelty happily. The mainstream religious people are killing people and sacrificing animals in the name of God. They promote God's cruel punishments. The Punishment is endless for Sinners/Devil according to religious scriptures. But God is love always. Overcome hate with love. If all religions for peace, unity? No way. Because they are not for peace. 8) Well, The God gave us everything to go from moment to moment in our lives as we do our part and pray only to thank god then the Love is in progress. The Love is always for everyone. We are always worthy of the God's love. Our greatest fear is; not to be loved by anyone but we are all loved by someone. When we eliminate all our unnecessary differences among us then true peaceful life is possible with the true love. If we can't find the peace within ourselves then we will never find it anywhere else. 9) This is the Fight for independence and freedom of humanity to worship God freely without religious guide and guidelines to restrict us. Unnecessarily, We do not want third party controls over us in anything ; especially in spirituality. 10) Revive Survive Thrive. 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Identifying what is moral and what is not is a valuable skill to have when we think on an evolutionary basis. We are social animals and therefore it's not hard to see that individuals that do things that other individuals don't like, survive less often to reproduce.
@@ot-slice295 I think the problem here is the imprecise wording used in "If something is true, something must make it true". What are these somethings? I think the first something can only be a claim. For instance "the sky is blue". And I think a claim is either true or it is not. The problem isn't that it requires something to make it true, but rather we need something to make it reasonable to believe the claim to be true. And that second something can only be facts.
Janitor after the debate: "I was supposed to clean this auditorium, but it is immaculately clean!" Random student passing by: "Alex O'Connor mopped the floor with a professor just before"
Morally consistent "actions" for a theoretically "hard" atheist, whom doesn't carry and remnants of religion within them, will either be : 1. A byproduct of their personally being invested in the world and having a set of philosophically unjustified preferences (such as the desire to live). 2. A visceral feeling of aversion to perceived injustice or a physical or mental sensation (such as the physical and psychological pain that results as a result of being burnt alive), which I would argue is because one imagines oneself on the receiving end of that injustice. Therefore, at it's core morality for a hard atheist is based on utility because they exist in the world. This applies to religious persons as well, but they go about an even more roundabout way to justify their moral actions.
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏👏
Good discussion. I think Keith Ward was trying to get Alex to see that some descriptive statements are inherently prescriptive. Alex was making a rather pedantic rebuttal in saying that there is a hidden premise in descriptive statements that ought to be stated explicitly. It's as if Alex says that instead of saying, "Fire! Run!," you ought to say, "Fire! Run! Why? Because you ought to save yourselves! You ought to save yourselves because it's good to do so! Hmmm... but why do good things!?" 😱 Perhaps Keith could've done a better job explaining why facts and values are entangled. I don't think you can ever justify why you ought to do good things. Things that are good are by definition things you ought to do and that's that. Why they are good is a discussion that makes sense. What good is and why you ought to do it seems as pointless as asking what truth is and what makes that definition of truth true. Truth is undefinable within a formal system of logic and is a primitive thing you have to presuppose before you can speak sensibly. Similarly, you have to believe goodness and beauty are valuable in and of themselves to make sense of other, more derived values like honour, kindness, gracefulness, sexiness, etc.
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏👏
@@FendiYT What is this shit lmao. All I said was that there was a certain irony with what was said. There was no mention of belief or lack of. Of course I have 2 braincells to rub together so I'll just ask why it is your God that makes all those things happening. You may reply saying because bible and we will have both wasted our time. Please don't preach.
I've never been so early! I better think of something witty to say quick! Okay, I can't think of anything except for a quote from Squidward from Spongebob: "If it gets any hotter in here they'll have to put fried calamari on the menu!"
I've been sitting on this footage since February, since one of my cameras didn't work, and the other chops my head off when I stand up. Still, I figured it's better to upload what I have than to upload nothing, so here we are!
If we can hear, for me there is no problem.
@Radical Atheist It's better if those kinds of ads appear on atheist channels, it decreases their effectiveness.
I don’t believe in a god .. I don’t believe your hard knuckle greenery wil change my mind, Alex has now stopped me from responding.... wow, me and a nice enemy dragon ..have been fighting, but to delete this is against our best wishes
Cosmic deceptive , stop hard lining your views
Cosmic skeptic, you have went hard core、
This seems cozy af. Cold and dark england having a nice philosophical debate in a warm well lit old building 😊
Yesss
Dark Academia lol
@@samirhussain458 what is BST and GMT?
@@barbarannop1799 British Summer Time and Greenwich Mean Time. During GMT the clocks go back an hour which means the daylight ends sooner. I have always enjoyed the “dark nights” up here in Scotland.
Yay!
"There were no gays when I was young"
Ancient Rome would like a word.
He is not *that* old.
@@chefren77 Fine. Ancient Egypt.
And 1930s Berlin.
Internet Entity do you know what irony is?
@@tiassly507 r/woosh
This is a great debate format. Short opening statements and then straight discussion. Formal turn-based debates are painful to watch, as sophistry can run rampant.
Yes. But you need respectful people who débate in good faith for that. And preferably have a sense of humour
*+Kuumalaukaus* I totally agree. Just a normal/natural flowing discussion where the people are interested in the ideas and politely interrupt if something is unclear but otherwise let each other speak. The other format just feels like "scoring points" or "preaching for an audience", that's not helpful for understanding.
*Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏👏*
@@FendiYT Wow you really do keep commenting that, don't you?
Have you seen this rebuttal: ua-cam.com/video/zLih-WQwBSc/v-deo.html
Agreed.
How rare is it to see your interlocutor actually admit you're right? The joy on your face as you went into Q&A was heartwarming.
Weirdly, I think he did it without realising it and then backtracked on it a few minutes later, which perhaps diminishes the joy a little.
22:44
The look on Alex' face was priceless when the old man said that there weren't any gays when he was young.
yeh except that hundreds of species have homosexuality not just humans. also forget about the super gay samurai, greeks and romans. many in the SAS are gay and even during WW2, gay conscripts had their own community and obv he never worked in show biz... ever :P
@@mrrolandlawrence Naaa...gays didn't exist until 1976...
I recently found some diary from 1920s in my grandpa's storage. It did have some possibly gay thoughts. I guess owner of it, was bi but it was interesting to read. It's funny to see how elders try to deny that gays existed when they never tried to read their possibly closeted ancestors' diaries. 😂
@@morbidgirl6808 I would think the main story is why was your grandfather holding onto a gay diary from the 1920s?
@@richardvinsen2385 he wasn't. He collects papers a lot which is annoying. His house is full of papers and books. He never reads but collects lol. Very common trait he shares with his previous generations haha
As an American, I am thoroughly confused.
Debate? Where's the profanity? The lack of basic respect? The volume?
/s
An American with a profile picture that is a combination of the Japanese imperial flag and the Canadian flag? Lol.
@@colinrobertson7580 😏
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏👏
@@FendiYT This is unutterable nonsense. First, provide good, credible evidence for the existence of your God. Next, provide good, credible evidence for the existence of the biblical Jesus figure. It sounds as if you are getting your ideas from the Bible, so you need to demonstrate that this is a reliable, historically accurate source. And you need to account for why the Jews don't buy any of the Paul-inspired forgery that is the New Testament.
@@Nai61a responding here is, most likely, pointless. The text is copypasted and I'll make a guess that it's a bot.
Why can't political debates be like this? This is so much more interesting, informative, and constructive than the way we do political debate
Because many people in politics are bad-faith actors pushing their agendas. Like do you really expect Ted Cruz to not know about how CO2 is contributing to climate change when he went to Princeton and Harvard? Many politicians are smarter than you think. They are just trying to manipulate voters instead of trying to determine the supreme truths in life like these fellows.
because discovering truths and finding middleground about a debated topic is not the function of political debate. Political debates are not intended to be rational or constructive, they function to gain support for a candidate through whatever means necessary
@@Blu3Med1c This is why the modern democracy is flawed. Modern democracy is not about the free will for you to vote who ever you feel would be the best, but rather to vote who ever brain washed you the best.
But i absolutely have no idea how to make democracy work, maybe removing whatever is making politicians do that, could be money and therefore capitalism, but i didn't put too much thought on it yet.
because its a farce
It’s brilliant but the kids laughing in the background ruins the whole vibe
You can tell the professor was enjoying the challenge of Alex’s takes and was quite stopped at times and it was thrilling to hear them go back and forth with respect. That’s what it’s all about, very intriguing to see how quickly they are to react and counteract points. Good job Cosmic😇✨
Agreed!
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏👏
No one:
Absolutely no one:
Not a single soul:
Alex Oconnor:
42:57
"So what is good?"
@@FendiYT Oh no, I should've known. I just saw another person say that long post. We've got a real rock-bottom copypasta here.
@@FendiYT That's not how it works stupid, is your god that egoistic that if we don't believe in him we will go to hell? That sounds like a dictator, "Believe in me or you shall be tortured for eternity". A loving God would never do that, NEVER! You people are the reason religions are tainted nowadays. You try to convince other people with FEAR instead of LOVE. Shame, really!
I will be procrastinating for the next hour by watching this
Tell me about it, my master's thesis is due in 2 weeks....
im convincing myself this is ‘productive’
Watching this video is much more productive than some others
Same. I have so much to do before tomorrow but I got the notification and... yeah xD
The Office UK is tons better than US copy.
What a man Alex is, the way his mind works is brilliant to experience and I am in awe at how he is able to explain each misunderstanding in the minds of people without getting confused about the point he is making when it comes to the issue at hand. Personally I think you are ahead of the time in many aspects making you worth mentioning in the wrinkle of time.
I'm just so incredibly proud of Alex/Cosmic Skeptic. Wow. So very kind, Bright & brilliant. Been an abso-fuckin-lute joy, watching Alex grow & become this beast before us.
Beautiful human. Beautiful mind & generous heart. So proud!
And a damn good singer. Check out his other channel.
There will be someone better
I love everything about this, the length of video, the atmosphere, the people, the debate, I’m so happy I get to watch this
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏👏
@@FendiYT Again: This is unutterable nonsense. First, provide good, credible evidence for the existence of your God. Next, provide good, credible evidence for the existence of the biblical Jesus figure. It sounds as if you are getting your ideas from the Bible, so you need to demonstrate that this is a reliable, historically accurate source. And you need to account for why the Jews don't buy any of the Paul-inspired forgery that is the New Testament.
System is the problem 🏡 Our Life should be around these Great Qualities
1, Show all living creatures; all the love and kindness as much as you can.
2, Only try to be honest with yourself. If you try to be honest with others, you will get into big trouble soon or later.
3, Aim only one target at a time; otherwise you are chasing two rabbits and you will miss both. So, the reason behind it. Have one powerful reason and never ever give up the one you want the most.
4, Don't try to be good person only but be the powerful person. We will grow to be the one or we will die. There is no other choice.
5, Always learn and look for to improve something your life.
6, You are not alone. Love and faith the high power reduces unnecessary stress in life. But never completely rely on it.
7, Success and happiness are the byproducts of our usefulness. So, always increase the possibility of success.
8, Life is not going to be easy. Because of our unnecessary things. Eliminate all the unnecessary things as much as you can by organising yourself well with the environments.
9, Never believe anything without the proper evidences.
10, Always try to give more than you take.
Because it is dignity/ character of the divinity within you.
🌎 As long as people continue to see themselves as separate from everything else, they lend themselves to being completely enslaved. Success depends on how well we relate to everything around us. Joy comes from that bliss of connectedness. I believe that unarmed truth and love will have the final word in reality. To love; you should have good heart. I am a good person until I see a person better than my standard of goodness. Being good is the progress towards a worthy cause. Love is God. Whoever lives in love, lives forever. How selfish it is to try to keep something forever? Love is all about nourishing, nurturing, sharing and expanding the love within you for all. The principle to which we adhere to is that we have kindness of love at heart for the whole of mankind. As long as there is the unnecessary differences within us; we can not live peacefully so we have to eliminate all the unnecessary differences among us so we can love all. People abilities may vary but not there true love. If we love a person/ God for a reason then we love the reason but not the person. No reason is the reason to love the person because true love never fails. So do not compare or measure the true love as first or the last but love all truly. If you love people truly then you can understand people. If you don't love then you don't understand people at all.
People are controlled by system why?
The Cyclical Consumption is the current economy all over the World. It is making the scarcity problems of the earth finite resources to deteriorate day by day. Current Monetary System is legalised theft. Real money is Gold and Silver. Scarcity gives the money more value. Real money won't lose it's value. When Governments stay away from Gold & Silver then very easy to transfer the wealth / resources to upper class the Rich (Corporatocracy) Elite. When the Governments are printing out more new fiat currency with reserve banks, our old currency is losing its purchasing power everyday. They are printing millions of currency everyday. All governments and laws are existing right now to transfer wealth to upper class the rich elite. The USA Government & other Governments are in many countries, bailed the investment banks & financial institutions in 2008 against the majority of the people. There is no democracy in any countries. Because of the Money System based on profits motive only above all else even humans lives and well-being. So, we do not have freedom to protect our values with the money so on. The violence, bankruptcy & all the negativities are build into the Monetary System of our society. All are owned (including ourselves) by Reserve Bank. Which is private cartel the corporation. So, in legal system, we are legally considered as chattel the properties. They make money in the capital markets with our birth certificates. They do not consider us as Humans. That's the truth. We are at the invisible war with the Elites (Corporatocracies). We have to fight for our Freedom. Resource Based Economy is the Solution. We have to declare the earth resources as the heritage of all the people of this world. So everyone has access to it. Please have your research about zeitgeist movement then you know the truth more.
Truth About Health/Drugs Industry Because Of It Your Life At High Risk The drug industry is a 1/2 trillion dollars a year worldwide conglomerate. Almost 300 billions dollars just in North America. That is really big business. What would happen if everyone were well? There is no money in health. You see, good health makes a lot of sense but it doesn't make a lot of dollars. Because everything they do is toxic. Every drug they use, prescription drugs, all drugs are liver toxic, bar none. If you've had amalgam fillings put in your mouth by dentists. It is highly toxic. There's cancer because most of the chemos are themselves carcinogens. To view the tumor as the cancer and we know the tumor is not the cancer. The cancer industry is 200 billions dollars a year. The more work they get, the more profit there is. You have to dismantle; If the truth ever came out about what we would need to do. 30% of people of females in America are at risk of getting, will get cancer of the breast. The ones that are already dead have been grossly mistreated by the medical profession and by the government that supposedly is supposed to encourage free research and development of all possibilities. Why would medical doctors who studied medicine and practice medicine and are heavily funded by pharmaceutical companies why would they go and look into vitamins? That they never had the answer orthomolecular. And as more and more of our population start taking their health into their own hands, there's going to be even more and more of changes. It can't go on the way it is. The system is failing apart. We must make nutrition the primary prevention strategy for the population. You are what you eat. You are everything that you have ever done to yourself. The choices you make directly affect the outcome of your life. - (Food Matters Documentary in Netflix)
😊 Well, I truly love God. I am not religious but very spiritual person. So, I believe 1) Religion is the beliefs in someone experiences But spirituality is having my own experiences. The mainstream religions people promote religious ideology by giving guidelines and guide but In my spiritual life; I do not want anyone or anything between God and me to restrict my freedom to worship God. 2) We do not need any authorities to do good work. The god work is the good work always. In contrast; organised mainstream religions are claiming that they have the authorities to do God works as leaders so on. 3) God is not capable of doing wrong thing, change the past for us and create anything out of nothing for us. Nothing means not anything. So, even God is limited. The mainstream religious people believe that God is unlimited. 4) God wants us to take responsibilities for our righteousness life but not for all the consequences of our actions because they are continued to exist among us. So, How can god punish us for all our consequences? The mainstream religious people believe we are full of sins because of all our actions. 5) Freewill is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure. So, we do not have choices all the time. In contrast teachings of the mainstream religions are promoting people to do god's will always because we all have choices of freewill always. 6) We can not separate everything into groups. So, everything for good and evil and there's no success and failure for everything. If everything is real then real things can not be threatened. Once you come to understand that God/The Holy Spirit is in each of us, You will no longer need a Book to tell you how to live. Then why we need religious scriptures? The Virtue is the expression of the basic goodness in our actions. The Basic goodness is the fundamental worthiness of every individuals. We are worthy to God always in everything. 7) Beliefs in a cruel God makes a cruel man. No matter what; every living creatures has the right to live and What makes their life cheap? Everything depends on everything. Nothing too big or too small in value. We can not love and hate at the same time; Being a vegetarian means love without cruelty happily. The mainstream religious people are killing people and sacrificing animals in the name of God. They promote God's cruel punishments. The Punishment is endless for Sinners/Devil according to religious scriptures. But God is love always. Overcome hate with love. If all religions for peace, unity? No way. Because they are not for peace. 8) Well, The God gave us everything to go from moment to moment in our lives as we do our part and pray only to thank god then the Love is in progress. The Love is always for everyone. We are always worthy of the God's love. Our greatest fear is; not to be loved by anyone but we are all loved by someone. When we eliminate all our unnecessary differences among us then true peaceful life is possible with the true love. If we can't find the peace within ourselves then we will never find it anywhere else. 9) This is the Fight for independence and freedom of humanity to worship God freely without religious guide and guidelines to restrict us. Unnecessarily, We do not want third party controls over us in anything ; especially in spirituality. 10) Revive Survive Thrive. Sincerely, The Real Peacemaker against religious oppression.
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@@FendiYT The concept of "sin" is a man made construct to strike fear into weak minds who can't be independently good to themselves and other people, and so builds a pseudo-foundation of morals. The problem with you religious people, is that you bunch religion and morals into one ball, and if I were to snatch that ball and throw it away, you are left with no morals, because it was based on a fictional foundation that was never built on instinct. Another problem is you don't argue in a logical, analytical and scientific way. You can't escape science, it's a method to observing, testing, and proving hypotheses right or wrong through what can be seen, calculated and observed to a point where it's so well proven correct that it functionally becomes fact.
If I take your religion, I take your good with it.
You on the other hand, can't take anything from us, because morals is instinct, it's biological. The only way to take from our morals is to kill us, but that act would be evil, wouldn't it?
Remember, animals know no such thing of religion. They are built to survive, and if they are social creatures, will ensure the safety and well-being of their kind.
Human beings just took this to a complex level.
@@seemlyme Science is about giving hard proven facts from an unbiased point of view.
However...
Love is something powerful and can till an extent be explained by science on how it works.
But...
Mature atheists are not arrogant people who claim to know everything.
After all we know most facts, but people look for "meaning".
Now, meaning is a man made idea, just as sin is an idea, or rather a concept own to only humans.
Atheists are looking for meaning too. But this doesn't necessarily mean you have to develop a religion to find meaning.
Now I understand you are not really religious, but rather just spiritual.
And I think there comes an inevitable point in anybody's life - atheist OR religious, that we start thinking abstractly about what can make you happy? What makes your life worth living?
It all comes down to comforting ourselves in a world where you can become prey. And because we are so emotionally complex, we want to find meaning. And I think this is why people develop organized beliefs, so that they comfort themselves from the dark truth that we are here to hunt kill, survive, and eventually die.
Because we are so emotionally complex, we just can't accept the simplicity and coldness of existence.
And this is what sets atheists apart from believers. Atheists acknowledge the cold dark truth, but they are reluctant to comfort, because it is deceiving from the truth.
Atheists at the end of the day just want to be happy, they just don't use religion, because of how artificial it is.
"Love thy neighbor like yourself" doesn't work if you hate yourself now does it?
It only works on the level of showing the same respect for the free will and desires of the other, as you would wish others to do for you.
If Love = empowerment, then you would wish your goals to be empowered in the same manner as you empower another's goals.
It is not true that if I like flowers that I SHOULD give others flowers. NOTE: I'm not shouting but using capitalization for easier reading.
It is true that if I like being given things THAT I LIKE, that I should give other people things THAT THEY LIKE.
The only way to know how to TREAT another person, or how to LOVE another person is to KNOW that person. There are many ways to know a person, but asking them what they would like, and what their goals are are pretty good ways to know how best to LOVE someone. I would state that it is impossible to LOVE something you do not know. There is no universal action that is 'wanted' by every human on the planet. Even being asked 'what would you like' is not welcomed by many.
The example that is often in my head is likening 'love thy neighbour as thyself' with 'do no harm'. To me these are the same thing when you breakdown what they mean.
Just like there is no way to know when you are helping someone without asking them, or knowing them, there is ALSO no way of knowing what will hurt someone without the same sort of inquiry.
A specific example of this is a person bleeding alone on a road. You do not know if leaving the person alone will harm the person, and you do not know whether bringing them to medical care is the will of the person, without further information.
'I Robot' Isaac Asimov's rule: ".. or through inaction allow a human to come to harm" comes to mind.
If the human on the road wished to die, then you would need to ask that person if that is their WILL, if it is not obvious.
If the human on the road wished to be helped, then you would need to ask the person.. or in absence of more information you could gamble one way or the other. There is still no way to know if harm or help is the result of your actions. Perhaps blood transfusions are not their will, but setting their bones back in place is their will.
It is 'respect of their unique will' that is the common thread between 'do no harm' and 'love thy neighbour'
Then love yourself as you love those you care about
Well how would you treat someone who hated themselves? What would you wish and hope for them?
I can read your accent.
It works as is without a red herring.
Didn’t expect the Gods Not Dead saga to take this direction but aight
Lmao Holy shit I just noticed
Is so rare for the sequels to be better then the original but here we are
@@heyhorinshi not sure dude it’s lacking a le epic Newboys concert
@@FloatingFireworks God's not dead, he was never alive. 😆
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏👏
It’s always funny listening to Alex because you can understand what his opposite is saying better when he’s talking than when they are.
That would be called steel-manning, I believe.
@@doomakarn It could also be called just explaining it better or it could be both
@@doomakarn I don’t think it’s steelmanning if you don’t change the argument but just explain it better.
@@NaN-noCZ Steelmanning means to improve your opponent's arguments in favour of the ideas trying to be expressed. If you alter what they are saying, then that's not steelmanning that's warping what they are saying.
@@doomakarn No, the only way you can improve the argument itself would be by changing it. Delivering the same argument better doesn’t count, then.
The face Alex makes when professor Ward admits that there can be morality without god is priceless
Because he expected Professor Ward to make an argument in favour of the motion when, in truth, he doesn't agree with it and instead used a different definition of "morally bankrupt" when we all know what is meant by this phrase. A little disingenuous but then what other option does one have when faced with such a horribly skewed proposition?
@@Vaylash It would be nice if both speakers had the same idea of what the debate is going to be about before the actual debate takes place.
What is the timestamp
@@jamesparson around 47:00 ish or maybe a little after
@@playtakataka1547 Funny, but my guess is that he felt the need to defend Christianity regardless given our increasingly atheistic society.
My vegan king seems to be posting regularly again
Vegan king 😂
all hail to thee O'Connor. Thy power be my path, thy will be my desire
@@wiktorzawislak615 why hast thou given Connor this worship for in my eyes he is nothing but a young lad
EarthlingEd is the Vegan King! O'Connor is a Vegan Prince 😂
@@danielgadomski5129 No, Ed is vegan jesus.
I really liked my Christian Philosophy professor. I wrote my final paper arguing his class should not be taught andnhe gave me an A. I then asked him to be my advisor in the major. Nice guy.
System is the problem 🏡 Our Life should be around these Great Qualities
1, Show all living creatures; all the love and kindness as much as you can.
2, Only try to be honest with yourself. If you try to be honest with others, you will get into big trouble soon or later.
3, Aim only one target at a time; otherwise you are chasing two rabbits and you will miss both. So, the reason behind it. Have one powerful reason and never ever give up the one you want the most.
4, Don't try to be good person only but be the powerful person. We will grow to be the one or we will die. There is no other choice.
5, Always learn and look for to improve something your life.
6, You are not alone. Love and faith the high power reduces unnecessary stress in life. But never completely rely on it.
7, Success and happiness are the byproducts of our usefulness. So, always increase the possibility of success.
8, Life is not going to be easy. Because of our unnecessary things. Eliminate all the unnecessary things as much as you can by organising yourself well with the environments.
9, Never believe anything without the proper evidences.
10, Always try to give more than you take.
Because it is dignity/ character of the divinity within you.
🌎 As long as people continue to see themselves as separate from everything else, they lend themselves to being completely enslaved. Success depends on how well we relate to everything around us. Joy comes from that bliss of connectedness. I believe that unarmed truth and love will have the final word in reality. To love; you should have good heart. I am a good person until I see a person better than my standard of goodness. Being good is the progress towards a worthy cause. Love is God. Whoever lives in love, lives forever. How selfish it is to try to keep something forever? Love is all about nourishing, nurturing, sharing and expanding the love within you for all. The principle to which we adhere to is that we have kindness of love at heart for the whole of mankind. As long as there is the unnecessary differences within us; we can not live peacefully so we have to eliminate all the unnecessary differences among us so we can love all. People abilities may vary but not there true love. If we love a person/ God for a reason then we love the reason but not the person. No reason is the reason to love the person because true love never fails. So do not compare or measure the true love as first or the last but love all truly. If you love people truly then you can understand people. If you don't love then you don't understand people at all.
People are controlled by system why?
The Cyclical Consumption is the current economy all over the World. It is making the scarcity problems of the earth finite resources to deteriorate day by day. Current Monetary System is legalised theft. Real money is Gold and Silver. Scarcity gives the money more value. Real money won't lose it's value. When Governments stay away from Gold & Silver then very easy to transfer the wealth / resources to upper class the Rich (Corporatocracy) Elite. When the Governments are printing out more new fiat currency with reserve banks, our old currency is losing its purchasing power everyday. They are printing millions of currency everyday. All governments and laws are existing right now to transfer wealth to upper class the rich elite. The USA Government & other Governments are in many countries, bailed the investment banks & financial institutions in 2008 against the majority of the people. There is no democracy in any countries. Because of the Money System based on profits motive only above all else even humans lives and well-being. So, we do not have freedom to protect our values with the money so on. The violence, bankruptcy & all the negativities are build into the Monetary System of our society. All are owned (including ourselves) by Reserve Bank. Which is private cartel the corporation. So, in legal system, we are legally considered as chattel the properties. They make money in the capital markets with our birth certificates. They do not consider us as Humans. That's the truth. We are at the invisible war with the Elites (Corporatocracies). We have to fight for our Freedom. Resource Based Economy is the Solution. We have to declare the earth resources as the heritage of all the people of this world. So everyone has access to it. Please have your research about zeitgeist movement then you know the truth more.
Truth About Health/Drugs Industry Because Of It Your Life At High Risk The drug industry is a 1/2 trillion dollars a year worldwide conglomerate. Almost 300 billions dollars just in North America. That is really big business. What would happen if everyone were well? There is no money in health. You see, good health makes a lot of sense but it doesn't make a lot of dollars. Because everything they do is toxic. Every drug they use, prescription drugs, all drugs are liver toxic, bar none. If you've had amalgam fillings put in your mouth by dentists. It is highly toxic. There's cancer because most of the chemos are themselves carcinogens. To view the tumor as the cancer and we know the tumor is not the cancer. The cancer industry is 200 billions dollars a year. The more work they get, the more profit there is. You have to dismantle; If the truth ever came out about what we would need to do. 30% of people of females in America are at risk of getting, will get cancer of the breast. The ones that are already dead have been grossly mistreated by the medical profession and by the government that supposedly is supposed to encourage free research and development of all possibilities. Why would medical doctors who studied medicine and practice medicine and are heavily funded by pharmaceutical companies why would they go and look into vitamins? That they never had the answer orthomolecular. And as more and more of our population start taking their health into their own hands, there's going to be even more and more of changes. It can't go on the way it is. The system is failing apart. We must make nutrition the primary prevention strategy for the population. You are what you eat. You are everything that you have ever done to yourself. The choices you make directly affect the outcome of your life. - (Food Matters Documentary in Netflix)
😊 Well, I truly love God. I am not religious but very spiritual person. So, I believe 1) Religion is the beliefs in someone experiences But spirituality is having my own experiences. The mainstream religions people promote religious ideology by giving guidelines and guide but In my spiritual life; I do not want anyone or anything between God and me to restrict my freedom to worship God. 2) We do not need any authorities to do good work. The god work is the good work always. In contrast; organised mainstream religions are claiming that they have the authorities to do God works as leaders so on. 3) God is not capable of doing wrong thing, change the past for us and create anything out of nothing for us. Nothing means not anything. So, even God is limited. The mainstream religious people believe that God is unlimited. 4) God wants us to take responsibilities for our righteousness life but not for all the consequences of our actions because they are continued to exist among us. So, How can god punish us for all our consequences? The mainstream religious people believe we are full of sins because of all our actions. 5) Freewill is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure. So, we do not have choices all the time. In contrast teachings of the mainstream religions are promoting people to do god's will always because we all have choices of freewill always. 6) We can not separate everything into groups. So, everything for good and evil and there's no success and failure for everything. If everything is real then real things can not be threatened. Once you come to understand that God/The Holy Spirit is in each of us, You will no longer need a Book to tell you how to live. Then why we need religious scriptures? The Virtue is the expression of the basic goodness in our actions. The Basic goodness is the fundamental worthiness of every individuals. We are worthy to God always in everything. 7) Beliefs in a cruel God makes a cruel man. No matter what; every living creatures has the right to live and What makes their life cheap? Everything depends on everything. Nothing too big or too small in value. We can not love and hate at the same time; Being a vegetarian means love without cruelty happily. The mainstream religious people are killing people and sacrificing animals in the name of God. They promote God's cruel punishments. The Punishment is endless for Sinners/Devil according to religious scriptures. But God is love always. Overcome hate with love. If all religions for peace, unity? No way. Because they are not for peace. 8) Well, The God gave us everything to go from moment to moment in our lives as we do our part and pray only to thank god then the Love is in progress. The Love is always for everyone. We are always worthy of the God's love. Our greatest fear is; not to be loved by anyone but we are all loved by someone. When we eliminate all our unnecessary differences among us then true peaceful life is possible with the true love. If we can't find the peace within ourselves then we will never find it anywhere else. 9) This is the Fight for independence and freedom of humanity to worship God freely without religious guide and guidelines to restrict us. Unnecessarily, We do not want third party controls over us in anything ; especially in spirituality. 10) Revive Survive Thrive. Sincerely, The Real Peacemaker against religious oppression.
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What I appreciate from the beginning in this amazing video is the thumbnail and the way you didn't edit it in a grandiose way, in a way to make it seems as if you're superior, unlike what I've seen in SO many Christian pastor and apologists' channels. Because you truly value truth, reason and a good, challenging conversation. I appreciate that amazing work ethic you have!
Oh hey! Who would have thunk I would have randomly found you here outside of "The Line" comments 😁
@@milantarbuk1039 hey there!! I forgot I even made this comment lol It was so long ago. Nice to see you too!
@@milantarbuk1039 who would have thought. Thunk is not a tense of to think. I dont think its an english word.
@@Jgp4xzdmqnmil It's a playful onomatopoeia 😁
Look it up my friend :)
P.S
Been a while since I've encountered a grammar Nazi, I thought you guys went extinct or something
"When I were young there weren't any gays."
Really?!...
I haven't heard someone refer to "gays" in so long that I thought he said "the issue of gaze,' like there was a problem with staring hard at people now that wasn't a thing when he was young. 😆
If he considers being gay as a choice as well then he's probably right, as there were no promoting it like nowadays.
@@brugnonpatrimoine8713 no one really called themselves "gay" before a few decades ago... maybe he's pedantically right? He just isn't counting the permanently unmarried bachelors who primarily hung out with other permanently unmarried bachelors. 😂
@@brugnonpatrimoine8713 if he considers being gay as a choice then he’s still wrong, because it’s not a choice
@Ismael Barrera you’re talking about “free will”, and I agree on some level that free will is perhaps Illusory (I lean towards it being this way, although we cannot currently confirm this)
The difference is that your examples are malleable and are ascribed responsibility, one can change their xenophobic views and one receives societal consequences for acting upon them. Sexual preference is “hard wiring” that we have so far been incapable of changing.
You know you're in for a long run when the guy you're debating starts off with "it's a myth that religion has opposed the equality of men and women"
I was honestly shocked by that - it struck me as the sort of thing William Lane Craig would say
Yeah - that’s a rather odd take on things, isn’t it? I think what he is intending however is that religion doesn’t in its essential being necessitate devaluing anyone, although it ought to be apparent that religion has often opposed equality - or at the very least opposed the form of it we value.
(Also I haven’t watched the video I’m only 7 minutes in so if I’m missing something that why)
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏👏
@@FendiYT Thats some howash ur talking right there. Interesting however is the notion that the earth requires agency to move. Why do religious ppl assume stuff requires agency? I always found that odd.
@@FendiYT you seem nice
If you close your eyes then it sounds like Alex is debating a laid back Palpatine.
I hear Christopher’s influence more and more. It’s surprisingly comforting and nostalgic hearing that familiar style of speech. The breathing pauses mid sentence, inflections, vocabulary, and presence are spot.
I really appreciate you.
@Joseph Bethnal Do you sincerely believe that he uses sophistry?
Alex! This is so good. Thank you for posting this. All of your debates/philosophical conversations are priceless. Amazing video. Loved every second. What a respectable opponent, he's written more books than years you have lived, me as well. What a legend and bastion of philosophy. I could not ask for more from a philosophy channel.
I'm currently at fourty minutes mark and it was amazing how you went straight for the heart of the argument. You cut off the professor's path to any possibility of victory in your first speech, and then proceeded to a friendly banter.
@@philkesler shut up Phil, we know you're smart
@@philkesler my evidence is in fact, that you provided this comment at such a perfect extent to undermine the comment that you replied to.
@@philkesler hahaha I would love to be able to swiftly form these statements just like you, cheers:) !
@@philkesler you're looking too hard into it. He's just saying he thinks Alex made a great speech that made him look like the one who's right as soon as the debate started.
@@philkesler Are you asking him to prove he'd love to be able to swiftly form these statements just like you?
Yeah, this seems like a good way to spend my time while waiting for Twitter to produce more political meltdowns. Let's go.
Me too ! 👍😂
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏
@@FendiYT Alright! Hot and cozy down there, been a while since I've met up with my homie Satanás too. Seems like a good trip. See ya on the way back!
I would love to see a "Jordan B. Peterson vs Alex J. O’Connor DEBATE".
@J w when will he be getting his degree?
@J w Not sure I have a preference when it comes to Alex of GMS, and even RR has shown significant growth. I may disagree with their atheists agenda, as it never seems to address anything I happen to believe yet keeps pretending it does, but I can hardly blame them as most people seem ignorant of Hempel's paradox to the degree most of them make claims similar to "white ravens don't exist" by merely having observed black ravens as validation for that claim.
Even physicists repeatedly make the mistake of claiming to be talking about the (entire) universe while merely being talking about only the visible part of the universe. People are sloppy and often leave out necessarily intended restrictions that apply to their statements as they haven't considered the possibility another person wouldn't necessarily make the same restriction. For instance the statement "5+5=10" is valid when applying a decimal number system, since a decimal number system is the default for most people in the western world we don't mention the number system the statement is made in. But "4+4=10" is equally valid when applying an octal number system, however when making a statement like this, only few people will understand the truth of it if you don't mention you are applying an octal number system, most would assume the statement is made in a decimal number system even though the applied number system isn't mentioned.
@Egalitarian 4life
If you don't know what the other person is talking about, you cannot possibly derive to a conclusion about what is stated, and certainly can't draw the conclusion the other person is pretending. It's obvious that by this statement you are pretending to know something you denied to know in the previous sentence, you are not even internally consistent in your claims. Either you don't know what the other person is talking about, or you do know what the other person is talking about and have evidence for the other person to be pretending. You can't have it both ways.
@@BlacksmithTWD Existential claims are verifiable, not falsifiable.
Universal claims are falsifiable, but not verifiable.
No one educated on logic says “God doesn’t exist because I’ve never seen it”
They either say “I don’t accept that God exists because it hasn’t been verified”
Or “God doesn’t exist because (some actual reason usually based on trying to demonstrate an impossibility using claimed properties of god)
You say black swans exist, show me one. Hempel’s paradox is both irrelevant and not a paradox.
@J w you are serioulsy overestimating Peterson, all his "credentials" function only to increase his ego and to serve as an excuse to talk about topic he doesnt even grasp. The guy cant even explain what foucault ideas are in a class, and he is suppouse to be a professor, give me a break. I still dont manage to understand how poeople think he does a great job at "debunking" big thinkers while at the same time not even knowing what their ideas or contributions are, the man is a clwon, puting it simple. its funny that you ask for credentials, when peterson, as professor of psychology, tries explain marxism (to give an expample) and fails astronomically, missing the mark completely, and he is suppouse to be the one to explain why marxism is wrong at a high profile debates? at the same time, admiting the last time he read a marxist book (the comunist manifesto, the shortest book of the author that serves as a panphlet) was when he was a teen? these days the bar for "credible" is incredibly and painfully low.
Was grabbing his drink in the beginning a tactical move to get into his head or nah?
Nah
@@jake_runs_the_world nailed it.
Alex is out here playing 4d-chess
A true alpha move would’ve been to chug it and slam it on the desk upside down.
@@Mayordomo32 then urinated into it and recommend: "i wouldnt drink it if i were you"
Why won't theologians talk about the things their book actually says. They always bring up non sequiturs instead of going to the text. Gets old
@Kenura Medagedara true but he brought up moral points and what the bible says about them. Then Alex brought up counters directly from the bible. Then the prof. Just went to people he knows and how they act.
They immediately run away from the O.T
Because they have not read their holy books
Ok, numbers 31 :18 that Alex and others refer to, says
Numbers 31:18
[18]But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Ok. How ever, in the original Hebrew, in wich the Bible o.t. was written says
Numbers 31:18
[18]Numbers 31:18
[18]But all the women h802 children,h2945 that have not known h3045 a man h2145 by lying h4904 with him, keep alive h2421for yourselves.
The numbers represent the hebrew word. Which are then translated. Notice that " for yourselves" has no number after it. Means its not there in original language. It just say "keep alive"
So, the alex saying to keep them for sexual slaves, is flat out, plain old wrong. You would think that a genius would check his work and make the effort to make sure he had the info correct. But he didnt. So he looks the fool, and all you whom comment after him as well. May God have mercy on us all.
@@Mrguy-ds9lr So you are arguing that keeping only the women/children alive with the qualifier that they be virgins had nothing to do with sex?
Because they can't change the book to fit their messages. Then the book would be meaningless.
I hardly see people get stumped in debates but Alex’s handling of the Euthyphro dilemma left the professor reeling for words. Nice job.
@@philkesler I agree that in order to rationally believe something one should have evidence, but I got curious. Which one is the statement you are looking evidence for? Is it that Alex have a very nice handling of the Euthyphro dilemma? Is it that the professor was "reeilng words"? Because evidence for both of them would consist on time stamps and then you (as everyone does) would either be convinced, or not, and that sir would be outside of my (and even your) control, since belief (as in "the result of being convinced") is not voluntary.
@@philkesler which of the claims I made would you rather me to back up with evidence first?
@@philkesler see the conversation between 30:00 and 40:00. Alex drills him on providing a reason why we should obey God/why we should be good, and the professor cannot give him an answer
@@philkesler "You have made a claim that I have placed in quotations above, which has a truth value. In order for it to be reasonable for anyone to believe your claim, it should be supported by evidence and reason. Can you provide evidence to support this claim or will you concede that your claim is dogma based on faithful conviction? Thank you for your voluntary participation in the investigation of the nature of reality, sir."
You done gone and said a thing so I done gone and put quotes 'round this here thing. Please go ahead and done gone provide some dog gone evidencery for this here thing, otherwise you must gone done and admit that this here thing is some kind of faithfullery and convictionation. Thanking ya'll kindly for your voluntarian participiationism in this here ivestigationery of reality, partner. Dagnabbit.
@@philkesler what evidence would you like?
"There weren't any gays"
My forehead hurts.
gay meant happy not too long ago. homosexuals kinda ruined the word.
no ones having a gay old time these days
System is the problem 🏡 Our Life should be around these Great Qualities
1, Show all living creatures; all the love and kindness as much as you can.
2, Only try to be honest with yourself. If you try to be honest with others, you will get into big trouble soon or later.
3, Aim only one target at a time; otherwise you are chasing two rabbits and you will miss both. So, the reason behind it. Have one powerful reason and never ever give up the one you want the most.
4, Don't try to be good person only but be the powerful person. We will grow to be the one or we will die. There is no other choice.
5, Always learn and look for to improve something your life.
6, You are not alone. Love and faith the high power reduces unnecessary stress in life. But never completely rely on it.
7, Success and happiness are the byproducts of our usefulness. So, always increase the possibility of success.
8, Life is not going to be easy. Because of our unnecessary things. Eliminate all the unnecessary things as much as you can by organising yourself well with the environments.
9, Never believe anything without the proper evidences.
10, Always try to give more than you take.
Because it is dignity/ character of the divinity within you.
🌎 As long as people continue to see themselves as separate from everything else, they lend themselves to being completely enslaved. Success depends on how well we relate to everything around us. Joy comes from that bliss of connectedness. I believe that unarmed truth and love will have the final word in reality. To love; you should have good heart. I am a good person until I see a person better than my standard of goodness. Being good is the progress towards a worthy cause. Love is God. Whoever lives in love, lives forever. How selfish it is to try to keep something forever? Love is all about nourishing, nurturing, sharing and expanding the love within you for all. The principle to which we adhere to is that we have kindness of love at heart for the whole of mankind. As long as there is the unnecessary differences within us; we can not live peacefully so we have to eliminate all the unnecessary differences among us so we can love all. People abilities may vary but not there true love. If we love a person/ God for a reason then we love the reason but not the person. No reason is the reason to love the person because true love never fails. So do not compare or measure the true love as first or the last but love all truly. If you love people truly then you can understand people. If you don't love then you don't understand people at all.
People are controlled by system why?
The Cyclical Consumption is the current economy all over the World. It is making the scarcity problems of the earth finite resources to deteriorate day by day. Current Monetary System is legalised theft. Real money is Gold and Silver. Scarcity gives the money more value. Real money won't lose it's value. When Governments stay away from Gold & Silver then very easy to transfer the wealth / resources to upper class the Rich (Corporatocracy) Elite. When the Governments are printing out more new fiat currency with reserve banks, our old currency is losing its purchasing power everyday. They are printing millions of currency everyday. All governments and laws are existing right now to transfer wealth to upper class the rich elite. The USA Government & other Governments are in many countries, bailed the investment banks & financial institutions in 2008 against the majority of the people. There is no democracy in any countries. Because of the Money System based on profits motive only above all else even humans lives and well-being. So, we do not have freedom to protect our values with the money so on. The violence, bankruptcy & all the negativities are build into the Monetary System of our society. All are owned (including ourselves) by Reserve Bank. Which is private cartel the corporation. So, in legal system, we are legally considered as chattel the properties. They make money in the capital markets with our birth certificates. They do not consider us as Humans. That's the truth. We are at the invisible war with the Elites (Corporatocracies). We have to fight for our Freedom. Resource Based Economy is the Solution. We have to declare the earth resources as the heritage of all the people of this world. So everyone has access to it. Please have your research about zeitgeist movement then you know the truth more.
Truth About Health/Drugs Industry Because Of It Your Life At High Risk The drug industry is a 1/2 trillion dollars a year worldwide conglomerate. Almost 300 billions dollars just in North America. That is really big business. What would happen if everyone were well? There is no money in health. You see, good health makes a lot of sense but it doesn't make a lot of dollars. Because everything they do is toxic. Every drug they use, prescription drugs, all drugs are liver toxic, bar none. If you've had amalgam fillings put in your mouth by dentists. It is highly toxic. There's cancer because most of the chemos are themselves carcinogens. To view the tumor as the cancer and we know the tumor is not the cancer. The cancer industry is 200 billions dollars a year. The more work they get, the more profit there is. You have to dismantle; If the truth ever came out about what we would need to do. 30% of people of females in America are at risk of getting, will get cancer of the breast. The ones that are already dead have been grossly mistreated by the medical profession and by the government that supposedly is supposed to encourage free research and development of all possibilities. Why would medical doctors who studied medicine and practice medicine and are heavily funded by pharmaceutical companies why would they go and look into vitamins? That they never had the answer orthomolecular. And as more and more of our population start taking their health into their own hands, there's going to be even more and more of changes. It can't go on the way it is. The system is failing apart. We must make nutrition the primary prevention strategy for the population. You are what you eat. You are everything that you have ever done to yourself. The choices you make directly affect the outcome of your life. - (Food Matters Documentary in Netflix)
😊 Well, I truly love God. I am not religious but very spiritual person. So, I believe 1) Religion is the beliefs in someone experiences But spirituality is having my own experiences. The mainstream religions people promote religious ideology by giving guidelines and guide but In my spiritual life; I do not want anyone or anything between God and me to restrict my freedom to worship God. 2) We do not need any authorities to do good work. The god work is the good work always. In contrast; organised mainstream religions are claiming that they have the authorities to do God works as leaders so on. 3) God is not capable of doing wrong thing, change the past for us and create anything out of nothing for us. Nothing means not anything. So, even God is limited. The mainstream religious people believe that God is unlimited. 4) God wants us to take responsibilities for our righteousness life but not for all the consequences of our actions because they are continued to exist among us. So, How can god punish us for all our consequences? The mainstream religious people believe we are full of sins because of all our actions. 5) Freewill is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure. So, we do not have choices all the time. In contrast teachings of the mainstream religions are promoting people to do god's will always because we all have choices of freewill always. 6) We can not separate everything into groups. So, everything for good and evil and there's no success and failure for everything. If everything is real then real things can not be threatened. Once you come to understand that God/The Holy Spirit is in each of us, You will no longer need a Book to tell you how to live. Then why we need religious scriptures? The Virtue is the expression of the basic goodness in our actions. The Basic goodness is the fundamental worthiness of every individuals. We are worthy to God always in everything. 7) Beliefs in a cruel God makes a cruel man. No matter what; every living creatures has the right to live and What makes their life cheap? Everything depends on everything. Nothing too big or too small in value. We can not love and hate at the same time; Being a vegetarian means love without cruelty happily. The mainstream religious people are killing people and sacrificing animals in the name of God. They promote God's cruel punishments. The Punishment is endless for Sinners/Devil according to religious scriptures. But God is love always. Overcome hate with love. If all religions for peace, unity? No way. Because they are not for peace. 8) Well, The God gave us everything to go from moment to moment in our lives as we do our part and pray only to thank god then the Love is in progress. The Love is always for everyone. We are always worthy of the God's love. Our greatest fear is; not to be loved by anyone but we are all loved by someone. When we eliminate all our unnecessary differences among us then true peaceful life is possible with the true love. If we can't find the peace within ourselves then we will never find it anywhere else. 9) This is the Fight for independence and freedom of humanity to worship God freely without religious guide and guidelines to restrict us. Unnecessarily, We do not want third party controls over us in anything ; especially in spirituality. 10) Revive Survive Thrive. Sincerely, The Real Peacemaker against religious oppression.
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@@seemlyme lol dude take your meds
In all seriousness just read more. Start with the bible
@@xxm0abxx5 Give respect and take respect. We are in great danger in a system.🌌🧘☝️First of all, Read all and talk with understanding. Believe in fiction but not facts. Know facts. Source of creation is God. Life is creation. All depend on each other. All are connected. We cannot separate anything from everything. Means all are different but the oneness. Love your love everyday as much as you can. Live very meaningful life of joys then automatically you will share your joys with others. What you expect to do to you for happiness then do to others so you feel usefulness and gratitude to all. Only time truly you are okay when you are okay with everything. It doesn’t mean everything will stay the same forever. Everything will change. You believe in Newtonian physics but not Albert Einstein. Only spacetime. now and here. No past and no future. Go near the speed of light or Go out of the earth in space near blackhole. Time slow down. No one knows everything. No one knows the ultimate truth of reality. One question leads to another question then that question leads to another question so forth. No true value of anything. There is no no true measurement of anything because all are changing. How to measure something against something when everything is changing continuously? God wants us to take responsibilities for our righteousness life but not for all the consequences of our actions because they are continued to exist among us. So, How can god punish us for all our consequences? The mainstream religious people believe we are full of sins because of all our actions. Freewill is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure. So, we do not have choices all the time. In contrast teachings of the mainstream religions are promoting people to do god's will always because we all have choices of freewill always. Meditate and /or have sensory isolation experience to aware of who you are. You are not accumulated stuff. Just be aware of what is focusing now? Whatever you call “my” my nose , my legs etc.., not you.
War for Resources inevitable. Over Consumptions of finite resources of earth deteriorate the earth🌍🥀day by day. No access to electricity and clean water by billions of people right now. No one is going to come above and save us. Wake up to the truth and wake up the rest to the unity of feel of oneness. The solution is Resource based economy.
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Was there vodka in the professors cup? Is that why he suggested Alex shouldn’t drink it 😆
Or maybe Corona
@@davidcooks2379 Or maybe absolutebeer.com/news/ale-asylum-releases-fvck-covid-pilsner/
He also meets a lot of people in Pubs, his words.. Prof makes it easy to judge him with a little alcoholism whether it be true or not.
I thought I was the only person who saw that he sounds drunk
Maybe!
Commenting again to say I just went vegan because of you and you alone Alex ☺️
I don't think I'll ever be able to become full vegan, but vegetarian might be within the realm of possibility.
Also, right now I go on average 2 to 3 weeks without meat, however the craving still gets me. I am fine with this anyways because I believe that we should drastically reduce the amount of meat the average person ingests. That is what I am doing, and that is what I will continue to teach.
If Beyond Meat actually becomes a mega manufacturer, my goal of becoming a vegetarian might be possible.
P.S If that is you in the picture, that is mighty impressive.
@@HaloWolf102 glad to hear it. Every step in the right direction counts. I used to think I would never be able to go fully vegan but I’m getting more and more accustomed to it and I’ve found my tastes are changing as well. I accidentally forgot to order almond milk in my chai latte the other day and I figured well I might as well drink it anyways cause it’s wasted regardless, but I found I couldn’t even finish it because I just couldn’t with cows milk anymore. Maybe your tastes will change too!
Also yes! That’s me in the photo ☺️ haven’t done aerial silks since COVID started because of quarantine but I miss it a lot
@lentils 😌💚
Good job
I’m starting to refuse meat too but I admit I’m not s vegan yet. But it’s also about other products like eggs and cheese 😐
Say what you will about the outcome, Professor Keith Ward was a delight. I am jealous that you got to have this time with him. Great debate Alex!
Alex and Prof. Ward, thank you both so much! This was great to watch.
I see so many people making superficial bully-type commentaries about the Christian professor before they can even watch half of the video. This is not only useless, but it also hinders debate. The basis for atheist morality is a fascinating, complex topic of discussion, and if you can't even bother to listen to a different point of view without insulting the speaker, why waste your time watching?
Yeah because of the things he has said before even half the video is over are ridiculous, I don't need to finish the whole video to call them out as utterly ridiculous, the same old brainwashed nonsense one has heard hundreds of times in other debates and even dangerous.
@@asdfffs Right, I understand calling out specific things he's saying. The issue is when people resort to calling him a "drunk idiot" or something of the like without even pointing out what they disagree with.
@@sofisrivera yeah that's of course is another matter, I agree
@J w Get your head out of your ass, go to a christian channel and you'll see the exact same behavior
I recommend a blind test. Follow the actions of a non-religious person and a Christian person and see if you can tell the difference.
That's easy. The Christian will be passing laws against minorities and declaring everything they do is right no matter how wrong because they have religious freedom.
I mean the frequent church going might give it away.
@@LearnAboutFlow Wow I didn't know Christians could just pass laws at will! I think you've just converted me to Christianity!
@@Vaylash only mormons have that kind of power
@@Vaylash Guess you missed the past 2000 years of history but, you know, why learn anything about facts and reality. Also, look up someone named Amy Bennett. Her Christian beliefs are going to devastate minority populations, mainly women.
"we didn't have any gays, because we didn't use the word" *facepalm*
and kind of insulting it still boils down to: "well you don't have any basis for anything, because I have a book that says there are, and we're only here to tell you that."
I must say, there is artistic quality in the framing of this debate scene; golden ratio is almost on point, good dimmed lighting, very pleasant color gamut and balance. All unwanted but it's just nice to look at.
Virgin professor vs Chad student
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Keith Ward is no virgin professor. I say this as an atheist who has actually attended a debate involving Reverend Ward.
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What are you talking about? Hes surrounded by boys.
It's funny seeing Alex in his suit and his friend (I forget his name, sorry) wearing the Cosmic Skeptic merch.
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏
@@FendiYT piss off
This is great food for thought
I'll probably rewatch this a few times
Thank you to everyone that participated in creating this content, it's wonderful :)
i love the scenery here, just a cozy building where two gentlemen have decided to speak their truths with respect. I wanna sit by a window like that one someday
Come live in Oxford. A wonderful city.
Wow, Alex, you won it hands down! The professor admitted that one can construct an atheist moral system.
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@@philkesler The sufficient evidence for the claim "The professor admitted that one can construct an atheist moral system." is that in 47:27 he said "I agree. You can have morality without God" therefore this claim is not based on dogma or a faithful conviction.
@@joshuajohn8870 Correct, it is a question on what grounds do the moral systems rest. How does the atheistic moral system know that killing an innocent is wrong and punishable? Is it just a socially agreed upon behaviour which may one day get changed or something objectively wrong?
It wasn't a concession by him all; he said that in the beginning! ... therefore it seems you missed the point OF the debate.
Alex's face of surprise was alarming at that point. He stropped
Once again Alex, great debate! It was refreshing to see an opponent, although religious, who is well spoken and doesn't really imply his thoughts as superior to yours.
I've watched a number of debates with Alex in the fray. This kid (and I say it with respect) is wickedly smart. It is interesting (and embarrasing) to see him make a professor squirm. The professor probably thought he was going to have a nice night-out with the children pontificating his superior knowledge. Instead he got (gently) mauld.
“My morality is based on being kind to other people but if I don’t say I get that idea from thinking about a god that doesn’t communicate with me then my morality is bankrupt.” Alex tied him in knots.
Your morals are trash.
Alex' way of speaking is getting ever closer to that of Christopher Hitchens
There could be worse fates than this xD
I'm not sure about that. I think Alex is still very formal. Hitchens was always very comfortable ... putting people back in their place.
My favourite is when he occasionally ends sentences in his talks with a kind of rhetorical, mildly patronising question, like "don't you think?" Hitchens did that all the time.
We love to see it! But yeah he still has some way to go 😆
@@RoaringTide mildly patronizing yet sincere. A powerful combination that only shows up in intelligent, confident speakers 👍
Damn, you obliterated this one. You’re really sharp.
I knew this had to be pre-lockdown/social distancing
I had a reflex “that’s not good distancing” moment before I read the pinned comment.
@@clankinnpc5460 ok Karen
@@Vaylash the fuck?
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏👏
@@FendiYT oh well if I go to hell than that’s my problem. However I don’t believe in hell so it’s not really that threatening to me so...
Professor Ward seems to retreat with almost every statement. The assertions of his arguments get fuzzy towards the end
Alex: Professor Ward is amazing and I have quite the challenge!
A few minutes later and Alex is easily winning the debate.
As much as I respect this man’s kindness and demeanor a lot, omg I’d HATE to have him as my professor. His way of speaking is so roundabout, unfinished, and awkward, ugh, I’d fail his class ‘cause he never finishes sentences!
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏
@@FendiYT I genuinely can’t tell if you’re being serious or not, but even if I could, I’m confused as to where your line of questioning goes. Because, like, I understand and can answer all of these questions very easily... does that somehow make me god in your eyes?
He would have been a nightmare back when I did transcriptions. His way of speaking is quite slurred
Omg I thought I was the only one. I thought it might be me not understanding his accent but yeah, his voice has a low mumble to it and it sounds like he says certain words but I think he just ends his sentences with a grumble lol
Religious thinking cannot really be properly expressed through language. Language is a mere image of direct meaning. Like we are a mere image of God. So Theologians don't tend to get pulled into the gravity well of linguistic essentialisim.
New subscriber. Binging your videos. Premise was a most impossible to defend but I'll be honest Alex. With the picture off I would have sworn the labels 'professor' and 'student' should have been flipped. Your arguments and rebuttals to every point made were sound well articulated. I admire you, your ethics, undoubtedly arrived at by massive amount of time, effort and study and I look forward to witnessing your inevitable progress in the debate sphere. I see a new Hitchens in the making. I wish you all all possible luck and success.
I wish I could hear this boy debate a worthy opponent. His clarity of mind and ability to articulate his point are poetic.
The English are very good at discussing hot topics politely... ;)
until you find yourself in pub.
@@HarryNicNicholas Oih you just spilled my pint 👊😬👊
@@HarryNicNicholas Haha, fair point! XD
System is the problem 🏡 Our Life should be around these Great Qualities
1, Show all living creatures; all the love and kindness as much as you can.
2, Only try to be honest with yourself. If you try to be honest with others, you will get into big trouble soon or later.
3, Aim only one target at a time; otherwise you are chasing two rabbits and you will miss both. So, the reason behind it. Have one powerful reason and never ever give up the one you want the most.
4, Don't try to be good person only but be the powerful person. We will grow to be the one or we will die. There is no other choice.
5, Always learn and look for to improve something your life.
6, You are not alone. Love and faith the high power reduces unnecessary stress in life. But never completely rely on it.
7, Success and happiness are the byproducts of our usefulness. So, always increase the possibility of success.
8, Life is not going to be easy. Because of our unnecessary things. Eliminate all the unnecessary things as much as you can by organising yourself well with the environments.
9, Never believe anything without the proper evidences.
10, Always try to give more than you take.
Because it is dignity/ character of the divinity within you.
🌎 As long as people continue to see themselves as separate from everything else, they lend themselves to being completely enslaved. Success depends on how well we relate to everything around us. Joy comes from that bliss of connectedness. I believe that unarmed truth and love will have the final word in reality. To love; you should have good heart. I am a good person until I see a person better than my standard of goodness. Being good is the progress towards a worthy cause. Love is God. Whoever lives in love, lives forever. How selfish it is to try to keep something forever? Love is all about nourishing, nurturing, sharing and expanding the love within you for all. The principle to which we adhere to is that we have kindness of love at heart for the whole of mankind. As long as there is the unnecessary differences within us; we can not live peacefully so we have to eliminate all the unnecessary differences among us so we can love all. People abilities may vary but not there true love. If we love a person/ God for a reason then we love the reason but not the person. No reason is the reason to love the person because true love never fails. So do not compare or measure the true love as first or the last but love all truly. If you love people truly then you can understand people. If you don't love then you don't understand people at all.
People are controlled by system why?
The Cyclical Consumption is the current economy all over the World. It is making the scarcity problems of the earth finite resources to deteriorate day by day. Current Monetary System is legalised theft. Real money is Gold and Silver. Scarcity gives the money more value. Real money won't lose it's value. When Governments stay away from Gold & Silver then very easy to transfer the wealth / resources to upper class the Rich (Corporatocracy) Elite. When the Governments are printing out more new fiat currency with reserve banks, our old currency is losing its purchasing power everyday. They are printing millions of currency everyday. All governments and laws are existing right now to transfer wealth to upper class the rich elite. The USA Government & other Governments are in many countries, bailed the investment banks & financial institutions in 2008 against the majority of the people. There is no democracy in any countries. Because of the Money System based on profits motive only above all else even humans lives and well-being. So, we do not have freedom to protect our values with the money so on. The violence, bankruptcy & all the negativities are build into the Monetary System of our society. All are owned (including ourselves) by Reserve Bank. Which is private cartel the corporation. So, in legal system, we are legally considered as chattel the properties. They make money in the capital markets with our birth certificates. They do not consider us as Humans. That's the truth. We are at the invisible war with the Elites (Corporatocracies). We have to fight for our Freedom. Resource Based Economy is the Solution. We have to declare the earth resources as the heritage of all the people of this world. So everyone has access to it. Please have your research about zeitgeist movement then you know the truth more.
Truth About Health/Drugs Industry Because Of It Your Life At High Risk The drug industry is a 1/2 trillion dollars a year worldwide conglomerate. Almost 300 billions dollars just in North America. That is really big business. What would happen if everyone were well? There is no money in health. You see, good health makes a lot of sense but it doesn't make a lot of dollars. Because everything they do is toxic. Every drug they use, prescription drugs, all drugs are liver toxic, bar none. If you've had amalgam fillings put in your mouth by dentists. It is highly toxic. There's cancer because most of the chemos are themselves carcinogens. To view the tumor as the cancer and we know the tumor is not the cancer. The cancer industry is 200 billions dollars a year. The more work they get, the more profit there is. You have to dismantle; If the truth ever came out about what we would need to do. 30% of people of females in America are at risk of getting, will get cancer of the breast. The ones that are already dead have been grossly mistreated by the medical profession and by the government that supposedly is supposed to encourage free research and development of all possibilities. Why would medical doctors who studied medicine and practice medicine and are heavily funded by pharmaceutical companies why would they go and look into vitamins? That they never had the answer orthomolecular. And as more and more of our population start taking their health into their own hands, there's going to be even more and more of changes. It can't go on the way it is. The system is failing apart. We must make nutrition the primary prevention strategy for the population. You are what you eat. You are everything that you have ever done to yourself. The choices you make directly affect the outcome of your life. - (Food Matters Documentary in Netflix)
😊 Well, I truly love God. I am not religious but very spiritual person. So, I believe 1) Religion is the beliefs in someone experiences But spirituality is having my own experiences. The mainstream religions people promote religious ideology by giving guidelines and guide but In my spiritual life; I do not want anyone or anything between God and me to restrict my freedom to worship God. 2) We do not need any authorities to do good work. The god work is the good work always. In contrast; organised mainstream religions are claiming that they have the authorities to do God works as leaders so on. 3) God is not capable of doing wrong thing, change the past for us and create anything out of nothing for us. Nothing means not anything. So, even God is limited. The mainstream religious people believe that God is unlimited. 4) God wants us to take responsibilities for our righteousness life but not for all the consequences of our actions because they are continued to exist among us. So, How can god punish us for all our consequences? The mainstream religious people believe we are full of sins because of all our actions. 5) Freewill is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure. So, we do not have choices all the time. In contrast teachings of the mainstream religions are promoting people to do god's will always because we all have choices of freewill always. 6) We can not separate everything into groups. So, everything for good and evil and there's no success and failure for everything. If everything is real then real things can not be threatened. Once you come to understand that God/The Holy Spirit is in each of us, You will no longer need a Book to tell you how to live. Then why we need religious scriptures? The Virtue is the expression of the basic goodness in our actions. The Basic goodness is the fundamental worthiness of every individuals. We are worthy to God always in everything. 7) Beliefs in a cruel God makes a cruel man. No matter what; every living creatures has the right to live and What makes their life cheap? Everything depends on everything. Nothing too big or too small in value. We can not love and hate at the same time; Being a vegetarian means love without cruelty happily. The mainstream religious people are killing people and sacrificing animals in the name of God. They promote God's cruel punishments. The Punishment is endless for Sinners/Devil according to religious scriptures. But God is love always. Overcome hate with love. If all religions for peace, unity? No way. Because they are not for peace. 8) Well, The God gave us everything to go from moment to moment in our lives as we do our part and pray only to thank god then the Love is in progress. The Love is always for everyone. We are always worthy of the God's love. Our greatest fear is; not to be loved by anyone but we are all loved by someone. When we eliminate all our unnecessary differences among us then true peaceful life is possible with the true love. If we can't find the peace within ourselves then we will never find it anywhere else. 9) This is the Fight for independence and freedom of humanity to worship God freely without religious guide and guidelines to restrict us. Unnecessarily, We do not want third party controls over us in anything ; especially in spirituality. 10) Revive Survive Thrive. Sincerely, The Real Peacemaker against religious oppression.
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@@davexmit System is the problem 🏡 Our Life should be around these Great Qualities
1, Show all living creatures; all the love and kindness as much as you can.
2, Only try to be honest with yourself. If you try to be honest with others, you will get into big trouble soon or later.
3, Aim only one target at a time; otherwise you are chasing two rabbits and you will miss both. So, the reason behind it. Have one powerful reason and never ever give up the one you want the most.
4, Don't try to be good person only but be the powerful person. We will grow to be the one or we will die. There is no other choice.
5, Always learn and look for to improve something your life.
6, You are not alone. Love and faith the high power reduces unnecessary stress in life. But never completely rely on it.
7, Success and happiness are the byproducts of our usefulness. So, always increase the possibility of success.
8, Life is not going to be easy. Because of our unnecessary things. Eliminate all the unnecessary things as much as you can by organising yourself well with the environments.
9, Never believe anything without the proper evidences.
10, Always try to give more than you take.
Because it is dignity/ character of the divinity within you.
🌎 As long as people continue to see themselves as separate from everything else, they lend themselves to being completely enslaved. Success depends on how well we relate to everything around us. Joy comes from that bliss of connectedness. I believe that unarmed truth and love will have the final word in reality. To love; you should have good heart. I am a good person until I see a person better than my standard of goodness. Being good is the progress towards a worthy cause. Love is God. Whoever lives in love, lives forever. How selfish it is to try to keep something forever? Love is all about nourishing, nurturing, sharing and expanding the love within you for all. The principle to which we adhere to is that we have kindness of love at heart for the whole of mankind. As long as there is the unnecessary differences within us; we can not live peacefully so we have to eliminate all the unnecessary differences among us so we can love all. People abilities may vary but not there true love. If we love a person/ God for a reason then we love the reason but not the person. No reason is the reason to love the person because true love never fails. So do not compare or measure the true love as first or the last but love all truly. If you love people truly then you can understand people. If you don't love then you don't understand people at all.
People are controlled by system why?
The Cyclical Consumption is the current economy all over the World. It is making the scarcity problems of the earth finite resources to deteriorate day by day. Current Monetary System is legalised theft. Real money is Gold and Silver. Scarcity gives the money more value. Real money won't lose it's value. When Governments stay away from Gold & Silver then very easy to transfer the wealth / resources to upper class the Rich (Corporatocracy) Elite. When the Governments are printing out more new fiat currency with reserve banks, our old currency is losing its purchasing power everyday. They are printing millions of currency everyday. All governments and laws are existing right now to transfer wealth to upper class the rich elite. The USA Government & other Governments are in many countries, bailed the investment banks & financial institutions in 2008 against the majority of the people. There is no democracy in any countries. Because of the Money System based on profits motive only above all else even humans lives and well-being. So, we do not have freedom to protect our values with the money so on. The violence, bankruptcy & all the negativities are build into the Monetary System of our society. All are owned (including ourselves) by Reserve Bank. Which is private cartel the corporation. So, in legal system, we are legally considered as chattel the properties. They make money in the capital markets with our birth certificates. They do not consider us as Humans. That's the truth. We are at the invisible war with the Elites (Corporatocracies). We have to fight for our Freedom. Resource Based Economy is the Solution. We have to declare the earth resources as the heritage of all the people of this world. So everyone has access to it. Please have your research about zeitgeist movement then you know the truth more.
Truth About Health/Drugs Industry Because Of It Your Life At High Risk The drug industry is a 1/2 trillion dollars a year worldwide conglomerate. Almost 300 billions dollars just in North America. That is really big business. What would happen if everyone were well? There is no money in health. You see, good health makes a lot of sense but it doesn't make a lot of dollars. Because everything they do is toxic. Every drug they use, prescription drugs, all drugs are liver toxic, bar none. If you've had amalgam fillings put in your mouth by dentists. It is highly toxic. There's cancer because most of the chemos are themselves carcinogens. To view the tumor as the cancer and we know the tumor is not the cancer. The cancer industry is 200 billions dollars a year. The more work they get, the more profit there is. You have to dismantle; If the truth ever came out about what we would need to do. 30% of people of females in America are at risk of getting, will get cancer of the breast. The ones that are already dead have been grossly mistreated by the medical profession and by the government that supposedly is supposed to encourage free research and development of all possibilities. Why would medical doctors who studied medicine and practice medicine and are heavily funded by pharmaceutical companies why would they go and look into vitamins? That they never had the answer orthomolecular. And as more and more of our population start taking their health into their own hands, there's going to be even more and more of changes. It can't go on the way it is. The system is failing apart. We must make nutrition the primary prevention strategy for the population. You are what you eat. You are everything that you have ever done to yourself. The choices you make directly affect the outcome of your life. - (Food Matters Documentary in Netflix)
😊 Well, I truly love God. I am not religious but very spiritual person. So, I believe 1) Religion is the beliefs in someone experiences But spirituality is having my own experiences. The mainstream religions people promote religious ideology by giving guidelines and guide but In my spiritual life; I do not want anyone or anything between God and me to restrict my freedom to worship God. 2) We do not need any authorities to do good work. The god work is the good work always. In contrast; organised mainstream religions are claiming that they have the authorities to do God works as leaders so on. 3) God is not capable of doing wrong thing, change the past for us and create anything out of nothing for us. Nothing means not anything. So, even God is limited. The mainstream religious people believe that God is unlimited. 4) God wants us to take responsibilities for our righteousness life but not for all the consequences of our actions because they are continued to exist among us. So, How can god punish us for all our consequences? The mainstream religious people believe we are full of sins because of all our actions. 5) Freewill is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure. So, we do not have choices all the time. In contrast teachings of the mainstream religions are promoting people to do god's will always because we all have choices of freewill always. 6) We can not separate everything into groups. So, everything for good and evil and there's no success and failure for everything. If everything is real then real things can not be threatened. Once you come to understand that God/The Holy Spirit is in each of us, You will no longer need a Book to tell you how to live. Then why we need religious scriptures? The Virtue is the expression of the basic goodness in our actions. The Basic goodness is the fundamental worthiness of every individuals. We are worthy to God always in everything. 7) Beliefs in a cruel God makes a cruel man. No matter what; every living creatures has the right to live and What makes their life cheap? Everything depends on everything. Nothing too big or too small in value. We can not love and hate at the same time; Being a vegetarian means love without cruelty happily. The mainstream religious people are killing people and sacrificing animals in the name of God. They promote God's cruel punishments. The Punishment is endless for Sinners/Devil according to religious scriptures. But God is love always. Overcome hate with love. If all religions for peace, unity? No way. Because they are not for peace. 8) Well, The God gave us everything to go from moment to moment in our lives as we do our part and pray only to thank god then the Love is in progress. The Love is always for everyone. We are always worthy of the God's love. Our greatest fear is; not to be loved by anyone but we are all loved by someone. When we eliminate all our unnecessary differences among us then true peaceful life is possible with the true love. If we can't find the peace within ourselves then we will never find it anywhere else. 9) This is the Fight for independence and freedom of humanity to worship God freely without religious guide and guidelines to restrict us. Unnecessarily, We do not want third party controls over us in anything ; especially in spirituality. 10) Revive Survive Thrive. Sincerely, The Real Peacemaker against religious oppression.
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5:58 ~'So that's step one; for morality to be important to me, I have to believe that it's true that I ought to be compassionate to people, in an objective sense.'
-- What I hear here is him expressing his preferences, the things he cares about, and they are shockingly limited. If later he's going to argue that only God can imbue things with objective value, this expression was effectively 'if God didn't exist and imbue people with objective value, I wouldn't care about them.'
Okay professor, maybe you are something like a sociopath or psychopath? An uncaring person? (More likely you are wrong and believe this for reasons of apologetics and rationalization.)
If I were there, I might have said something like, "For morality to be important to me, I have to have a kitten or cat that approves of my behavior in an objective sense"
I once had a old gentlemen tell me, he would have killed someone 20 years but his religion made him stop.
Hearing him say that, was chilling.
@@supmaidoods8753 I have never heard that in person, but I have heard people with stories like this. They think it speaks to how Faith can be transformative, to me it speaks to how people give religion credit for horrible things.
Your looks while processing Professor Ward basically conceding at 47:29 were wonderful...
It was Professor Ward’s job to be the affirmative of “Morality Without Religion is Bankrupt” His assertion the entire debate was you can’t even have morality at all without a God. He torched his own case when he said “You can have morality without God”.
You have given no proof of your assertion that anything Alex said was “nonsense.” I also find it telling that you really don’t give any proof for anything you said. Your feelings on these matter’s don’t count for much of anything as they can’t be given as proof.
Professor Ward and Alex have both shown they’re far better people than you as they both gave up their tome to have a conversation which you never would have as you clearly stated.
You seem to have a misunderstanding of what even happened in the debate. Then proceed to tell me to “think harder.” I told you I was using your own judgement...
Clearly you’re upset that the Professor undermined his own points by saying that you could have morality without a God... and clearly anyone can.
I’m quite done with you and your clear lack of coherent sentence structure.
@J w ??? you really misunderstood what Alex was saying. He was giving analogies to demonstrate that theistic base of morality is in the end equivalent to self declared moral framework. He has demonstrated that it is essentially equivalent. Some may be motivated more by the claim that the moral framework is god-given, but that is a distinction without a real difference.
@J w the question asked by the audience at the end demonstrated clearly how the professor's argument was incoherent. She asked if you needed to believe in a God or if God needed to exist. It is impossible to demonstrate the difference, and as such any reason for believing to be good including the existence of a god is equivalent to any other. The professor believe that his definition is based in objective truth, however he cannot prove that, which makes him the same as everyone else asserting objective moral truth. The hidden argument is that either believing in anything is sufficient or believing in one very specific definition of one god is necessary. Which means that less than 5% of the world is capable of proper moral reasoning, which is ridiculous. Our morality is based in our biology which is why moral reasoning can be completely secular, and it often is, even for the religious.
Actually, he only said it is POSSIBLE to have an atheistic moral perspective, not that ALL athestic moral perspectives are legitimate. So it's not denying the motion.
This is SO FRUSTRATING, when Alex asks "why ought I do good?" Or any variation of this, NO ONE, on EITHER SIDE bothers to ask what the word "ought" means!!!
Define it and the question becomes crystal clear!!
This was amazing, Alex, thank you!
I love that this guy was a colleague of Dawkins. Really cool that you get to be around those minds
I have respect for Dawkins but he couldn't explain everything.
@@panes840 Ok? Nobody claims that he could, what's your point?
Really quality discussion.
True listening, without manipulations.
natural development of the conversation.
It is beautiful to see a young person and an older person talking at eye level in appreciation and listening. I always feel that it is very difficult to bridge the gap between the two generations.
you show me that human beings are able to listen to each other.
Great especially in times such as ours in 2020.
unlike some muslim debaters
This video reminds me of wisdom that my grand pa once told me at a wedding. It was so merry and we were sitting next to the speakers, unfortunately the volume was too high and I couldn't hear the wisdow.
Around 20 minutes in, the Christian shoots himself in the foot with Poland's example... While it's true that the Catholic church made some positive impact on the country at that time, contemporary events show exactly why religion and politics shouldn't mix!
I mean most christians would agree that politics and religion shouldnt mix
@@justinsankar1164 ....have you seen america?
@@griiiim well, at least we would never appoint someone to the highest court in the land that believes that the spirit of God enters her and allows her to speak in tongues.
Oh we just did?!? 😲 Well, shit. 🤦🏼♂️
@@griiiim Catholics and Jews consistently vote democrat
@Twenty Faces thats not a good thing dumbass
Well an additional comment: I am German and sometimes I have difficulties to follow both of you or, due to the sound, understanding the questions from the audience. Is it possible to make subtitles? There is an automatic function to allow artificially generated subtitles. They aren't perfect, but better than nothing.
Lol I had a hard time understanding the professor and I'm American.
Two great and respectful minds.
Alex, your mind fires so damn fast, god you're good. Learnt alot from both of you!
Watching from CoV quarantine: Apart from the fabulous debate culture and great thought processes from both sides I love the camera perspective. Makes me feel like I actually sit in the room.
Props Alex & Keith!
The professor was well out of his depth. Well done Alex. Your ability to succinctly get back to the point and argue logically is first class.
Alex is too good. Just too good. Looking forward to seeing him improve the World step by step just through UA-cam.
Great debate Alex. I fear that I didn’t learn much from your opponent. It seems as though he has been out of touch with opposing ideas and debate for some time. Perhaps the motion was insurmountable for his side to defend. I learned something from you as always. Thank you for that.
This conversation is one that needs to be had. I’m a massive fan of Christopher Hitchens, but I have always felt that this is an area that he was actually quite weak in(though he was incredibly strong in applied morality). Hearing these points articulated is a breath of fresh air. Thank you.
He seems like the kind of guy who's got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan; he speaks a dozen languages and knows every local custom...
😁. Does anyone here speak English?
14:30 Alex used Hitchens what is true in religion that cannot be found in atheistic morality. Classic.
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏👏
@@FendiYT what are you talking about? You seem confused... are you ok?
Cuz there's no morality in Atheism
@A NEW PAX AMERICANA I never saw any of Hitchens opponents answer it. Did you?
@@aqlalramadhan7969 isn’t there? So you’ve never heard of the golden rule?
It's quite interesting how professor first dismissed Euthyphro dilemma in his opening, but then got stumped by the question of "why are we ought to do what is good". Almost like dilemma still stands no matter how hard you try to redefine the source of good.
the idea to not just do what god says is beyond his idea of possible.
Sorry, but I have to "virtually" smirk at Alex for executing (pun intended) the "No True Scotsman fallacy" for secularism at 23:10 only because I have seen this call out used extensively by atheists when criticizing many theists. Is there even an code or a single primary source that most, let alone all secularists actually agree upon? I mean, secularism as a philosophy implicitly claims superiority over any and all religions, and what would prove that more than its institution eradicating all of them, no matter the means, whether via might or intellectually, so they no longer exist?
We do things that benefit well being for all of us. We do these things without any thoughts of a god or gods telling us.
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏
@@FendiYT spamming your inane chatter in every thread doesn't make you sound reasonable.
@@FendiYT claims of god is irrelevant
25:44 This is the best! The way the red shirt guy whips around, you know he is a CosmicSkeptic fan.
And the way he smiles and puts his hand to his face right after that was priceless
Goes to show, Wisdom does not come from age but intellectual honesty and inquiry
Wow, score one for the Gipper. I really enjoy Alex. He debates at a very high level.
"Good"
A loaded word!
Better to ask if something is "Beneficial".
Natural selection doesn't select what is "good" but does select what is better adapted (i.e. beneficial).
Semantics, any attempt to quantify morality, purely through a secular Atheistic world view, can't escape the problem of Nihilism (if God doesn't exist, the universe is a cosmic accident with no intended meaning and no set values, any moral language becomes subjective and arbitrary if that's true). And the fact, that morals can't be proven by scientific observation or tangible proof. If you're world view is limited to the material world, you shouldn't really hold onto any morality, or standards. In an absolutist way. Cuz these things don't really exist according to science and our observable reality.
@@halaldunya918 how about empathy? You dont need God for empathy. I dont hit someone cause I know how unpleasant it is to be hit; therefore, I'd feel guilty for causing anyone else that pain. If you're only doing good things, or what your religion considers to be good things, for the purpose of reward and avoiding eternal damnation, then you're not really that great of a person anyway because your reasons are selfish.
People do not need to believe in a spiritual observer to see others as conscious entities, to understand their experiences in terms of your own or to treat them accordingly.. This is an act of perception and understanding, it's a personal realisation.
Conversely threats of punishment or reward are external, social factors. The Dog doesn't require a God to be trained, just approval and disapproval.
Therefore moral behaviour can be approached through two different directions, the internal and the external and neither depends on the supernatural or suffers from it's absence.
You’re growing up right before our very eyes; that or it’s a framing error. Superb delivery as usual, though.
@@bonnienadinenewman: Wishing you both the best
Oh great! Keith Ward! I read your book *God, Chance and Necessity* about ten years ago. The most compelling argument(s) for God I've ever read.
Divine command theorists "deprive God of the designation good: for what cause could one have to praise him for what he does, if in doing something quite different he would have done equally well?"
Leibniz, Gottfried (1710). Théodicée.
47 minutes in
“What we’re debating here is whether we can have morality without god”
‘Oh yes we can!’
-_-
then what was the last 47 minutes for...
See, the thing is that in both of their prepared speeches they both said specifically that they were not debating if morality were possible without god, only that it would be "bankrupt" or essentially empty without religion. So when they got to that point I think they veered off topic a bit ._.
@@09Dragonite True, though I do feel like the professor conflated that point and muddled the water between not bankrupt and possible
@@VeraDragon I agree, and then Alex responded in kind by addressing Professor Ward's statements and directly clarifying that it would be possible. It was not as easy to follow the professor's arguments as it was to follow Alex's, and his opening line really didn't help clarify exactly what he was defending unless you paid careful attention to the last sentence or two. Alex clarified it really well though, so it was easier to pay attention to the details of the arguments on both sides after that.
@@09Dragonite It did go very well despite a few confusions
Very good optically for Alex, and fun if you’re a fan of his
The proper response should have been "What we're debating here is whether we can have morality without believing in God?"
"Oh yes we can"
Everyone would agree on the fact that someone who doesn't believe in God can have a proper moral ethics and values. The question is "how we can explain the existence of morality when we deny the existence of higher being that have that standard of Good ontologically"
A person can know these moral ethics without believing in God, but ultimately he/she won't have anything to ground on to reason why those moral values exist? why should every single human being follow the same principles of morality if some random atheist says so? why should I follow the opinion of some human like me on how I should behave and act?
There are also some cases where the choice that is moral doesn't even makes sense to reason it. For instance, forgiving someone that have done pretty bad things to you....... personally, I won't have any reason why not to take vengeance for the sake of revenge.
Alex your ability to effortlessly undress seasoned philosophers never ceases to amaze
System is the problem 🏡 Our Life should be around these Great Qualities
1, Show all living creatures; all the love and kindness as much as you can.
2, Only try to be honest with yourself. If you try to be honest with others, you will get into big trouble soon or later.
3, Aim only one target at a time; otherwise you are chasing two rabbits and you will miss both. So, the reason behind it. Have one powerful reason and never ever give up the one you want the most.
4, Don't try to be good person only but be the powerful person. We will grow to be the one or we will die. There is no other choice.
5, Always learn and look for to improve something your life.
6, You are not alone. Love and faith the high power reduces unnecessary stress in life. But never completely rely on it.
7, Success and happiness are the byproducts of our usefulness. So, always increase the possibility of success.
8, Life is not going to be easy. Because of our unnecessary things. Eliminate all the unnecessary things as much as you can by organising yourself well with the environments.
9, Never believe anything without the proper evidences.
10, Always try to give more than you take.
Because it is dignity/ character of the divinity within you.
🌎 As long as people continue to see themselves as separate from everything else, they lend themselves to being completely enslaved. Success depends on how well we relate to everything around us. Joy comes from that bliss of connectedness. I believe that unarmed truth and love will have the final word in reality. To love; you should have good heart. I am a good person until I see a person better than my standard of goodness. Being good is the progress towards a worthy cause. Love is God. Whoever lives in love, lives forever. How selfish it is to try to keep something forever? Love is all about nourishing, nurturing, sharing and expanding the love within you for all. The principle to which we adhere to is that we have kindness of love at heart for the whole of mankind. As long as there is the unnecessary differences within us; we can not live peacefully so we have to eliminate all the unnecessary differences among us so we can love all. People abilities may vary but not there true love. If we love a person/ God for a reason then we love the reason but not the person. No reason is the reason to love the person because true love never fails. So do not compare or measure the true love as first or the last but love all truly. If you love people truly then you can understand people. If you don't love then you don't understand people at all.
People are controlled by system why?
The Cyclical Consumption is the current economy all over the World. It is making the scarcity problems of the earth finite resources to deteriorate day by day. Current Monetary System is legalised theft. Real money is Gold and Silver. Scarcity gives the money more value. Real money won't lose it's value. When Governments stay away from Gold & Silver then very easy to transfer the wealth / resources to upper class the Rich (Corporatocracy) Elite. When the Governments are printing out more new fiat currency with reserve banks, our old currency is losing its purchasing power everyday. They are printing millions of currency everyday. All governments and laws are existing right now to transfer wealth to upper class the rich elite. The USA Government & other Governments are in many countries, bailed the investment banks & financial institutions in 2008 against the majority of the people. There is no democracy in any countries. Because of the Money System based on profits motive only above all else even humans lives and well-being. So, we do not have freedom to protect our values with the money so on. The violence, bankruptcy & all the negativities are build into the Monetary System of our society. All are owned (including ourselves) by Reserve Bank. Which is private cartel the corporation. So, in legal system, we are legally considered as chattel the properties. They make money in the capital markets with our birth certificates. They do not consider us as Humans. That's the truth. We are at the invisible war with the Elites (Corporatocracies). We have to fight for our Freedom. Resource Based Economy is the Solution. We have to declare the earth resources as the heritage of all the people of this world. So everyone has access to it. Please have your research about zeitgeist movement then you know the truth more.
Truth About Health/Drugs Industry Because Of It Your Life At High Risk The drug industry is a 1/2 trillion dollars a year worldwide conglomerate. Almost 300 billions dollars just in North America. That is really big business. What would happen if everyone were well? There is no money in health. You see, good health makes a lot of sense but it doesn't make a lot of dollars. Because everything they do is toxic. Every drug they use, prescription drugs, all drugs are liver toxic, bar none. If you've had amalgam fillings put in your mouth by dentists. It is highly toxic. There's cancer because most of the chemos are themselves carcinogens. To view the tumor as the cancer and we know the tumor is not the cancer. The cancer industry is 200 billions dollars a year. The more work they get, the more profit there is. You have to dismantle; If the truth ever came out about what we would need to do. 30% of people of females in America are at risk of getting, will get cancer of the breast. The ones that are already dead have been grossly mistreated by the medical profession and by the government that supposedly is supposed to encourage free research and development of all possibilities. Why would medical doctors who studied medicine and practice medicine and are heavily funded by pharmaceutical companies why would they go and look into vitamins? That they never had the answer orthomolecular. And as more and more of our population start taking their health into their own hands, there's going to be even more and more of changes. It can't go on the way it is. The system is failing apart. We must make nutrition the primary prevention strategy for the population. You are what you eat. You are everything that you have ever done to yourself. The choices you make directly affect the outcome of your life. - (Food Matters Documentary in Netflix)
😊 Well, I truly love God. I am not religious but very spiritual person. So, I believe 1) Religion is the beliefs in someone experiences But spirituality is having my own experiences. The mainstream religions people promote religious ideology by giving guidelines and guide but In my spiritual life; I do not want anyone or anything between God and me to restrict my freedom to worship God. 2) We do not need any authorities to do good work. The god work is the good work always. In contrast; organised mainstream religions are claiming that they have the authorities to do God works as leaders so on. 3) God is not capable of doing wrong thing, change the past for us and create anything out of nothing for us. Nothing means not anything. So, even God is limited. The mainstream religious people believe that God is unlimited. 4) God wants us to take responsibilities for our righteousness life but not for all the consequences of our actions because they are continued to exist among us. So, How can god punish us for all our consequences? The mainstream religious people believe we are full of sins because of all our actions. 5) Freewill is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure. So, we do not have choices all the time. In contrast teachings of the mainstream religions are promoting people to do god's will always because we all have choices of freewill always. 6) We can not separate everything into groups. So, everything for good and evil and there's no success and failure for everything. If everything is real then real things can not be threatened. Once you come to understand that God/The Holy Spirit is in each of us, You will no longer need a Book to tell you how to live. Then why we need religious scriptures? The Virtue is the expression of the basic goodness in our actions. The Basic goodness is the fundamental worthiness of every individuals. We are worthy to God always in everything. 7) Beliefs in a cruel God makes a cruel man. No matter what; every living creatures has the right to live and What makes their life cheap? Everything depends on everything. Nothing too big or too small in value. We can not love and hate at the same time; Being a vegetarian means love without cruelty happily. The mainstream religious people are killing people and sacrificing animals in the name of God. They promote God's cruel punishments. The Punishment is endless for Sinners/Devil according to religious scriptures. But God is love always. Overcome hate with love. If all religions for peace, unity? No way. Because they are not for peace. 8) Well, The God gave us everything to go from moment to moment in our lives as we do our part and pray only to thank god then the Love is in progress. The Love is always for everyone. We are always worthy of the God's love. Our greatest fear is; not to be loved by anyone but we are all loved by someone. When we eliminate all our unnecessary differences among us then true peaceful life is possible with the true love. If we can't find the peace within ourselves then we will never find it anywhere else. 9) This is the Fight for independence and freedom of humanity to worship God freely without religious guide and guidelines to restrict us. Unnecessarily, We do not want third party controls over us in anything ; especially in spirituality. 10) Revive Survive Thrive. Sincerely, The Real Peacemaker against religious oppression.
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Identifying what is moral and what is not is a valuable skill to have when we think on an evolutionary basis. We are social animals and therefore it's not hard to see that individuals that do things that other individuals don't like, survive less often to reproduce.
"If something is true, something must make it true". Quite a base assumption to make just like that with no further explanation.
If nothing makes it true, what does it even mean for something to be true? Of course, if something is true it needs a reason for being true lol
@@ot-slice295 I think the problem here is the imprecise wording used in "If something is true, something must make it true". What are these somethings? I think the first something can only be a claim. For instance "the sky is blue". And I think a claim is either true or it is not. The problem isn't that it requires something to make it true, but rather we need something to make it reasonable to believe the claim to be true. And that second something can only be facts.
Janitor after the debate: "I was supposed to clean this auditorium, but it is immaculately clean!"
Random student passing by: "Alex O'Connor mopped the floor with a professor just before"
This made me laugh so hard!
Morally consistent "actions" for a theoretically "hard" atheist, whom doesn't carry and remnants of religion within them, will either be :
1. A byproduct of their personally being invested in the world and having a set of philosophically unjustified preferences (such as the desire to live).
2. A visceral feeling of aversion to perceived injustice or a physical or mental sensation (such as the physical and psychological pain that results as a result of being burnt alive), which I would argue is because one imagines oneself on the receiving end of that injustice.
Therefore, at it's core morality for a hard atheist is based on utility because they exist in the world. This applies to religious persons as well, but they go about an even more roundabout way to justify their moral actions.
Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏👏
@@FendiYT goodnight blind person.
@@meowymeow282 Dont bother responding, this is most likely a bot, as I have seen this exact post before (in this comment section, no less!)
Good discussion. I think Keith Ward was trying to get Alex to see that some descriptive statements are inherently prescriptive. Alex was making a rather pedantic rebuttal in saying that there is a hidden premise in descriptive statements that ought to be stated explicitly. It's as if Alex says that instead of saying, "Fire! Run!," you ought to say, "Fire! Run! Why? Because you ought to save yourselves! You ought to save yourselves because it's good to do so! Hmmm... but why do good things!?" 😱 Perhaps Keith could've done a better job explaining why facts and values are entangled.
I don't think you can ever justify why you ought to do good things. Things that are good are by definition things you ought to do and that's that. Why they are good is a discussion that makes sense. What good is and why you ought to do it seems as pointless as asking what truth is and what makes that definition of truth true. Truth is undefinable within a formal system of logic and is a primitive thing you have to presuppose before you can speak sensibly. Similarly, you have to believe goodness and beauty are valuable in and of themselves to make sense of other, more derived values like honour, kindness, gracefulness, sexiness, etc.
Imagine a professor of philosophy cannot provide a consistent definition of good.
Please, enable automatic subtitles, english is my second language and sometimes it is difficult to understand everything.
"I'm not disagreeing with you."
>Proceeds to disagree
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Before you woke up today. were you aware that you were sleep and you were out of your body and you told yourself to get up today? Why do you need sleep? surely you are god... were you aware when you were sleep? are you aware every time? can you wake everyone up whenever you want too without physically doing it? were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? who stretched the measuring tape about the earth and measured the cubits? surely you know. do you go through problems in life? how can God go through problems? who keeps the earth moving about? who holds the stars up in the solar system? surely you know. do you need to go to school to learn things? god knows everything right? if you've answered no or couldn't explain any of these questions then you are a sinful human being who is on his way to hell if he hasn't repent and turned to Jesus. Goodnight atheist 👏👏👏
@@FendiYT What is this shit lmao. All I said was that there was a certain irony with what was said. There was no mention of belief or lack of.
Of course I have 2 braincells to rub together so I'll just ask why it is your God that makes all those things happening. You may reply saying because bible and we will have both wasted our time.
Please don't preach.
@@kurtcrean get out of this man Satan in Jesus mighty name! IN THE NAME OF Yeshua Hamashiach!!
@@FendiYT you know if you think about it satan was created or caused by God so ya
I'm very thankful to get to see the older gentleman's knees, and not Alex's face, excellent camerawork!
So define "good" objectively please!
Um, the definition of good is eh, er, ah, hm eh, uh, um,...it's the opposite of bad????
Lmao
I've never been so early! I better think of something witty to say quick!
Okay, I can't think of anything except for a quote from Squidward from Spongebob: "If it gets any hotter in here they'll have to put fried calamari on the menu!"
You can be atheistic and also religious. To say that china is atheist, "therefore"... without recognizing it's religiousity is a huge error.
Their religion is state authoritarianism
@@davidcooks2379 It's the same with North Korea, the USSR, etc.
They form state religions where the dictator is worshipped as a deity.
@@davidcooks2379 for some.
Loved your little "well.." at 56:05 when he called Peter Singer a moral person.