With the release of Necromancy, there was hardly any new PVM content to use it on. Between that and the lack of updates in general, the game got very stale.
Content Creator mode (Group Ironman) would not being me back to the game, but it has the potential of bring low hanging fruit (those who like to watch content creators) into the game.
@@Im_DerksAgree i think thouth that there should be stronger minibosses whit trash mobs like in eds there is random mini bosses who give 5k dng tokens. They cude be like defenders of actuall bosses and u would still need to use u head to go throw em
@@Im_Derks Personally, idm either. The problem is when they go the Zammy undercity route and make the mobs excessively annoying to clear I lowkey think they're doing a boss dungeon specifically to get it into the game ASAP without having to dev an extended length dungeon and trash mobs.
Agreed. GIM is such niche short term content that relies on a team of people to actually commit to playing long term and that’s already difficult enough on rs as it is. Skilling boss is supposed to be soloable I believe but agreed on utility of skilling bosses. I am here for any skill reworks we can get to be honest. Fletching is such a drag despite all of the options we have. Would love for them to really focus on completing revamping skills like construction, rc, agility, div, slayer, fming, crafting… really, all of them lol. Gotta start bringing this game more into the 21st century if we really want new people to jump in. Overall I’m stoked for the roadmap though and super excited for Sanctum.
I've been saying that about GIM too. People are obsessed with the idea, but aside from a few content creators... It's dead on os... It'll be the same on rs3.. hype for 3 weeks, then it's just one guy still playing in a group... It'll be even less played than osrs if augmented gear isn't shared. I have no idea why people have been begging for it it for so long
My irl friends and I made a group we played for like a year and a half consistently. None of us have really played rs3 but we're making a group when it comes out. Doubt there will be many going from os to rs3 but I know we will be
Someone who speaks from the heart ❤ Necromancy was rushed imo as there was so much more potential to the skill. They even had concept art for T92 deathguard and lantern but that content never made it to the game. Instead of rushing from T90 to T95 they could have easily added another piece of content which provided T92. Hermod and rasial was just too bare minimum base content. Thats just my opinion of why it was rushed. I am excited for GIM tho if its implemented the right way thats intended for fun.
As an ironman player who has maxed their account, and has done mid-high tier bossing on said account. All I can really say is this, gim will be successful but only for content creation. Maybe somewhere, it will drag along some new players but that's such a small margin of players. Me personally, and considering I only recently maxed after about 5 years. Probably won't do gim, honestly I'm dreading the thought of having to max another ironman. There is several years of content you have to blow through. Anyways, cheers!
Construction has needed a rework for a very long time. The entire skill needs overhauled. It was even hinted at when Fort Forinthry was released that POH may be getting a rework.
I agree with you. Recently I have only been setting my reaper tasks to Rasial and slowly increasing my KC there. I don’t really do any PVM and the game has lost its luster to me. The new roadmap release hasn’t done much to entice me either. I’m sad to start to feel apathetic to the game as I hear 120s. What will I do next? Farm GP until I can reach BIS range gear? Idk I’m having RS existential dread.
Agree agree they need some new arenas like menaphos and prif to explore! Like osrs gets full new arenas to explore and they are massive whit shiet tons of conntent
I've noticed a ton of weird uneducated comments about GIM on these roadmap reaction vids. Ultimately it depends on the exact restrictions they actually set for it, but it's a solid game mode that a lot more people play than these comments lead on. Every vid people in the comments say "On osrs GIM is dead, everyone quits until there's one guy left." I legit see like 60% gims on my travels on that game, my 5man team is still active since release, and the restrictions of prestiged* GIM genuinely make it more of a challenge than regular ironman mode. I feel like people saying that just haven't even left their respective bubbles on that game lol, of course they aren't bankstanding at the GE or wherever you spend your time. It's legitimately a popular game mode that, if you have actual friends to play it with, can be the best experience RS has to offer. It's been almost 3 years and is still an absolute blast. It's not just for YTers by any means. *Prestiged means the group has never had its members try to PvM with other players in applicable content where irons can boss together, allowing members to ONLY work together with zero outside help. If they do GIM correctly for the main game, it can be an entirely new game experience. This "Wtf is the point, regular ironmen can already group with mains. What a waste of dev resources" assumes an awful lot about what GIM even is, and how inactive it is. But tbh I hope they find a way to completely do away with the whole unranked green helm garbage in this incarnation of it. It is an actual joke being able to buy items from fellow green helms.
Bosses like kerapac /zuk work well worth loot tables with certain items locked to hard mode cant make things toooo accessible or it makes it poinltess most pvm in this game other than high zammy and telos is doiable with some effort
You clearly have not read anything about the Sanctum of Rebirth. There will be NO trash mobs. It is going to be focused solely on the bosses. Also, the skilling boss will be soloable or able to be done in a group.
game needs more engaging bosses with good loot tables, hate the current hit hard shit loot bosses, instead of having an interestng fight, its just heal up constantly
GIM is good but ends with like 2 of 5 still playing. Requires people (which is a challenge already), and each person has different time commitments. Maybe they notice RS3 videos are only guides and PVM, so it needs a switch up.
Man I hate to say this because I really enjoy your content usually, but why have you made a video without doing any kind of research whatsoever? They have explained answers to a lot of the things you've brought up if you even bothered to at least watch the stream surrounding the roadmap before posting a video about it. Personally I really enjoyed Vorkath, it has some huge telegraphing problems, but it was a really fun encounter for me. I think the one really good point you had is the lack of content following the Necro release was a huge loss for Jagex. I think they must have thought it would keep players engaged while they worked on backend systems (improving communication for the future, combat beta, building base seasonal event hubs for future years) and it did the exact opposite. I think it's good though that a lot of the work has been done now and they can focus on more content going forward. Also, first half of 2025 roadmap is coming in Sept/Oct.
I agree but disagree because to have high-level bosses, you have to have the skill. RS is a point-and-click game. Trying out a game compatible with a remote control and feeling that tick system and square movement it becomes obvious that RS has done everything it can as far as bosses go and they can only change out themes and damage rates now. If they put the high-level bosses in the game, they won't be fun because no one can beat them, and if they did, the drops would be worthless. Pushing the skills to 110 allows the player to make the equipment to fight higher-level bosses, a reason to get into bossing from skilling and not just quit the game once they hit max level. 110 approximately triples the resources each player needs, lengthening the profitability of PVM players sourcing those drops. Additionally there are lots of players that just like skilling. The game split between players that did PVP and skilling with OSRS and RS3. OSRS got endless PVP content updates, we have been getting our trickle of skilling content. Archeology was a huge hit because its just mining with lore. RS can level up to about 150, so if they keep on this pattern they have about 15 YEARS of reasonable content they will be able to produce.
Fuck group Ironman, I’m already where I want to be on my main lol 😂 not tryna start over it’s already getting good Ultra rares, Orlando smiths , partyhats and billions .. I think I’m good off Ironman bruh Damn miss ur vids man no wonder why u ain’t been on rs3 Sadly idk what else I would do , I’m grinding rs nonstop
Fsw was tooo grindy.... i played like an mounth non stop burned out so hard and still didint reach the end game :( kinda my mistake but like it should be minimum 15-20% less grindy and maybe like leagues in osrs whit new shiet to do like new abiltyes and perks
100% agreed on GIM. An update which caters to content creators and a fringe minority of reddit gamer dads is of no interest to me. Even worse is it will likely take significant dev resources to maintain... Not the best idea if you don't even have many dev hours to spare in the first place.
@@Looloopoopoo Yep. Need med level bosses, better drops for them too. Every year they just keep trying to make a stronger and stronger boss for these whiny eliteist pvm babies
Tired of the high apm crap for pvm tbh. High apm used to be for PvP. I don't want high apm just to grind for RNG drops at bosses. Revolution is shit, but you need to use it on mobile cuz they won't do simple QOL's for the ability books. Ever since they started "Allowing" macros bossing has gotten more tedious & less fun. Just cuz the - to quote op - 5% of players can spend 16h a day to set up their pvm macros & grind a boss for the next 15 doesn't make shit fun for the rest of us. But that's okay because it's a system where ppl with lives buy bonds for the 5%. *shrug*
There is a load of mid-tier Pvm??? Gwd2 Ed2 Arch glacor (under 500%) Kera NM Zuk nm Nex Arraxxor Matriarchs < 100% zammy Nm vorkath AND THATS JUST SOLO.. Seriously, get your heads out your asses. Bet none of you are even close to any of the above logs. Join a clan and stop whining
Since the damage limit, necro, and animate dead. The "endgame" content is pretty dry, there's nothing there. Maybe the old high end content will just keep becoming mid tier content. But making the game stale and boring because people revo++ everything just going to make the game even worse
The new Skilling Boss is actually soloable they confirmed :D
Content Creator mode (Group Ironman) would not being me back to the game, but it has the potential of bring low hanging fruit (those who like to watch content creators) into the game.
The new sanctum of rebirth dungeon is supposedly going to just be 3 bosses, no trash mobs between, I honestly think its gonna be really fun that way.
I'm down with that tbh
I don’t wanna be that guy but I do like the dungeon aspect of the mobs on the elite dungeons it’s my favorite content in the game
@@Im_DerksAgree i think thouth that there should be stronger minibosses whit trash mobs like in eds there is random mini bosses who give 5k dng tokens. They cude be like defenders of actuall bosses and u would still need to use u head to go throw em
@@Im_Derks Personally, idm either. The problem is when they go the Zammy undercity route and make the mobs excessively annoying to clear
I lowkey think they're doing a boss dungeon specifically to get it into the game ASAP without having to dev an extended length dungeon and trash mobs.
@@FroggieGamesagreed zammy dungeon was awful
Agreed. GIM is such niche short term content that relies on a team of people to actually commit to playing long term and that’s already difficult enough on rs as it is.
Skilling boss is supposed to be soloable I believe but agreed on utility of skilling bosses.
I am here for any skill reworks we can get to be honest. Fletching is such a drag despite all of the options we have. Would love for them to really focus on completing revamping skills like construction, rc, agility, div, slayer, fming, crafting… really, all of them lol.
Gotta start bringing this game more into the 21st century if we really want new people to jump in.
Overall I’m stoked for the roadmap though and super excited for Sanctum.
Agree with what you are saying for everything to be honest, its great to see a creator give an honest opinion and not just hype everything up. :)
I've been saying that about GIM too. People are obsessed with the idea, but aside from a few content creators... It's dead on os... It'll be the same on rs3.. hype for 3 weeks, then it's just one guy still playing in a group... It'll be even less played than osrs if augmented gear isn't shared. I have no idea why people have been begging for it it for so long
yeah I have seen clanmates and friends make like a dozen gim groups and every single one of them is dead before zenytes
My irl friends and I made a group we played for like a year and a half consistently. None of us have really played rs3 but we're making a group when it comes out. Doubt there will be many going from os to rs3 but I know we will be
Your discussions are always a good time
Someone who speaks from the heart ❤
Necromancy was rushed imo as there was so much more potential to the skill. They even had concept art for T92 deathguard and lantern but that content never made it to the game. Instead of rushing from T90 to T95 they could have easily added another piece of content which provided T92. Hermod and rasial was just too bare minimum base content. Thats just my opinion of why it was rushed.
I am excited for GIM tho if its implemented the right way thats intended for fun.
As an ironman player who has maxed their account, and has done mid-high tier bossing on said account.
All I can really say is this, gim will be successful but only for content creation. Maybe somewhere, it will drag along some new players but that's such a small margin of players.
Me personally, and considering I only recently maxed after about 5 years. Probably won't do gim, honestly I'm dreading the thought of having to max another ironman. There is several years of content you have to blow through.
Anyways, cheers!
Construction has needed a rework for a very long time. The entire skill needs overhauled. It was even hinted at when Fort Forinthry was released that POH may be getting a rework.
why wasted time on construction?
I agree with you. Recently I have only been setting my reaper tasks to Rasial and slowly increasing my KC there. I don’t really do any PVM and the game has lost its luster to me. The new roadmap release hasn’t done much to entice me either. I’m sad to start to feel apathetic to the game as I hear 120s. What will I do next? Farm GP until I can reach BIS range gear? Idk I’m having RS existential dread.
Agree agree they need some new arenas like menaphos and prif to explore! Like osrs gets full new arenas to explore and they are massive whit shiet tons of conntent
did you watch the actual reveal of the roadmap? they explained the sanctum and the mining and smithing update lol
I've noticed a ton of weird uneducated comments about GIM on these roadmap reaction vids.
Ultimately it depends on the exact restrictions they actually set for it, but it's a solid game mode that a lot more people play than these comments lead on.
Every vid people in the comments say "On osrs GIM is dead, everyone quits until there's one guy left." I legit see like 60% gims on my travels on that game, my 5man team is still active since release, and the restrictions of prestiged* GIM genuinely make it more of a challenge than regular ironman mode.
I feel like people saying that just haven't even left their respective bubbles on that game lol, of course they aren't bankstanding at the GE or wherever you spend your time. It's legitimately a popular game mode that, if you have actual friends to play it with, can be the best experience RS has to offer. It's been almost 3 years and is still an absolute blast. It's not just for YTers by any means.
*Prestiged means the group has never had its members try to PvM with other players in applicable content where irons can boss together, allowing members to ONLY work together with zero outside help. If they do GIM correctly for the main game, it can be an entirely new game experience. This "Wtf is the point, regular ironmen can already group with mains. What a waste of dev resources" assumes an awful lot about what GIM even is, and how inactive it is.
But tbh I hope they find a way to completely do away with the whole unranked green helm garbage in this incarnation of it. It is an actual joke being able to buy items from fellow green helms.
Bosses like kerapac /zuk work well worth loot tables with certain items locked to hard mode cant make things toooo accessible or it makes it poinltess most pvm in this game other than high zammy and telos is doiable with some effort
Damn I didn t see this video till now idk why but the algorithm fucked it
You clearly have not read anything about the Sanctum of Rebirth. There will be NO trash mobs. It is going to be focused solely on the bosses. Also, the skilling boss will be soloable or able to be done in a group.
game needs more engaging bosses with good loot tables, hate the current hit hard shit loot bosses, instead of having an interestng fight, its just heal up constantly
GIM is good but ends with like 2 of 5 still playing. Requires people (which is a challenge already), and each person has different time commitments. Maybe they notice RS3 videos are only guides and PVM, so it needs a switch up.
I think leagues could do a lot to revitalize what rs3 content creators can create
Man I hate to say this because I really enjoy your content usually, but why have you made a video without doing any kind of research whatsoever? They have explained answers to a lot of the things you've brought up if you even bothered to at least watch the stream surrounding the roadmap before posting a video about it.
Personally I really enjoyed Vorkath, it has some huge telegraphing problems, but it was a really fun encounter for me.
I think the one really good point you had is the lack of content following the Necro release was a huge loss for Jagex. I think they must have thought it would keep players engaged while they worked on backend systems (improving communication for the future, combat beta, building base seasonal event hubs for future years) and it did the exact opposite. I think it's good though that a lot of the work has been done now and they can focus on more content going forward.
Also, first half of 2025 roadmap is coming in Sept/Oct.
Who said that 2025 roadmap wil come out sep/oct?
@@mehmetalemdar1502 Mod Markos during the discord stage on Friday
we need a mage buff!
I agree but disagree because to have high-level bosses, you have to have the skill. RS is a point-and-click game. Trying out a game compatible with a remote control and feeling that tick system and square movement it becomes obvious that RS has done everything it can as far as bosses go and they can only change out themes and damage rates now. If they put the high-level bosses in the game, they won't be fun because no one can beat them, and if they did, the drops would be worthless. Pushing the skills to 110 allows the player to make the equipment to fight higher-level bosses, a reason to get into bossing from skilling and not just quit the game once they hit max level. 110 approximately triples the resources each player needs, lengthening the profitability of PVM players sourcing those drops. Additionally there are lots of players that just like skilling. The game split between players that did PVP and skilling with OSRS and RS3. OSRS got endless PVP content updates, we have been getting our trickle of skilling content. Archeology was a huge hit because its just mining with lore. RS can level up to about 150, so if they keep on this pattern they have about 15 YEARS of reasonable content they will be able to produce.
GIM will be doa but mod keeper is gone so things are looking up
Did they actually get rid of him?
Yes, Mod Markos is now EP of both rs3 and osrs@@FroggieGames
Fuck group Ironman, I’m already where I want to be on my main lol 😂 not tryna start over it’s already getting good
Ultra rares, Orlando smiths , partyhats and billions .. I think I’m good off Ironman bruh
Damn miss ur vids man no wonder why u ain’t been on rs3
Sadly idk what else I would do , I’m grinding rs nonstop
low/mid player going to complain about when high level boss is add.
i am retired apex player heh
FSW > group ironmeme mode
Fresh start group Ironman world
Fsw was tooo grindy.... i played like an mounth non stop burned out so hard and still didint reach the end game :( kinda my mistake but like it should be minimum 15-20% less grindy and maybe like leagues in osrs whit new shiet to do like new abiltyes and perks
100% agreed on GIM. An update which caters to content creators and a fringe minority of reddit gamer dads is of no interest to me. Even worse is it will likely take significant dev resources to maintain... Not the best idea if you don't even have many dev hours to spare in the first place.
we dont need harder high level PVM. ur catering to the 5 percent of players or less when u say this...... it should be way more moderate pvm
With high profit drops too.. me personally I struggle with harder bosses and gwd 1 & 2 are boring nowadays.
@@Looloopoopoo Yep. Need med level bosses, better drops for them too. Every year they just keep trying to make a stronger and stronger boss for these whiny eliteist pvm babies
Tired of the high apm crap for pvm tbh. High apm used to be for PvP. I don't want high apm just to grind for RNG drops at bosses.
Revolution is shit, but you need to use it on mobile cuz they won't do simple QOL's for the ability books.
Ever since they started "Allowing" macros bossing has gotten more tedious & less fun. Just cuz the - to quote op - 5% of players can spend 16h a day to set up their pvm macros & grind a boss for the next 15 doesn't make shit fun for the rest of us.
But that's okay because it's a system where ppl with lives buy bonds for the 5%. *shrug*
There is a load of mid-tier Pvm???
Gwd2
Ed2
Arch glacor (under 500%)
Kera NM
Zuk nm
Nex
Arraxxor
Matriarchs
< 100% zammy
Nm vorkath
AND THATS JUST SOLO..
Seriously, get your heads out your asses. Bet none of you are even close to any of the above logs. Join a clan and stop whining
Since the damage limit, necro, and animate dead. The "endgame" content is pretty dry, there's nothing there. Maybe the old high end content will just keep becoming mid tier content.
But making the game stale and boring because people revo++ everything just going to make the game even worse
I completely disagree with you
Yeah, ok mister creator of “low effort high end bossing”
What boss do you slay o great pvmer? Vorkath? Literally the only boss to come out in like 2 years.
Group Ironman mode is pointless
How come?
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