I combined my Plex Pass with my HD Homerun for DVR to my Plex Server - not the most "elegant" solution but aside from the investment in the Plex Server and one time Plex Pass lifetime it's worth it for the locals...
I love my HDHomeRun. Been using it for close to 10 years now with zero issues. My SIL uses my Plex server and the HDHomeRun, all the way in California, to tune into the Detroit Lions when they are playing. Its pretty cool to think she's using my antenna up in the attic.
We have always used OTA TV as we are in a fairly rural area. I was excited about getting an HDHomerun system to watch TV on our computers and excited about the technical improvements of ATSC 3.0. As you mentioned ATSC 3.0 rollout has been pretty much derailed due to broadcasters decision to use DRM to encrypt their programs. Until this gets resolved we plan on sitting on the sidelines.
Another great video. Yeah, DRM encryption blows, but I have heard, do the very limited tuner manufacturers it may not be going through. As you know, it all started with LG discontinuing the ATSE 3 tuner installation in the TV due to the DRM encryption lawsuit. I believe the other makers are following suit. With a very limited product available for the ATSE 3 tuners, it could, I hope, be scraped. You have more of an ear on the subject than I.
Yes. Silicondust charges me ~35 per year for TV listings service for my HDHomerun device. I don't mind paying it at all if it helps keep the service running indefinitely and covers development costs of the occassional software and/or firmware update.
I think ATSC 1.0 will broadcast past 2027. Could pickup the tablo cheap during Black Friday. I bought it for my mom however I have been running HDHomeRun for years.
I would like to start a project similar to Mr. Rogers where I make videos mocking society for artistic pleasure. Just found a nice Midi keyboard at Goodwill for $15 so I can make the total budget 30 dollars by mixing Pepsi and Milk. You'll see soon enough, but I love the content Lon, and we will keep fighting the good fight! A couple of Athlons and Durons may have passed on in the process but we will keep chugging along! Because it's not about processors or graphics cards in play. It's about a strange concoction we'll mix today.
I got my first SEARS BETA VCR in 1978 and taped every second of Beta Tapes, then I got VHS, then over the air VHS/DVD Recorder VCR, Which I converted my tapes to DVD's. I would get Cable for 2 years record every show I could, then get rid of it for 3 years, then get it again for 2 more years, etc....Then added a tuner to my laptop and recorded 1000's of shows on my laptop. I have converted all of these files to digital files. Looking at how ATSC 3.0 is shaping up, I am glad I did.
I have one HDHomerun 4 tuner and three Tablo's, HDHomerun is a more basic interface but very reliable, the Tablo is being updated regularly and a fancier interface but has a number of quirks and minor problem's that can be irritating. In my area there are several ATSC 3.0 stations with some using DRM which HDHomerun is not able to decode and some more that do not use DRM.
Any chance for PCI cards or USB tuners like the existing Hauppauge QuadHD coming along for ATSC 3? All of my media is on my server, recorded TV included. If they're on the verge of allowing external gateway devices, surely internal or USB tuners are soon to follow, right?
Unfortunately Hauppauge does not support ATSC 3.0 on any product they sell. The only gateway device with ATSC 3.0 is HD Homerun Quad 4k, however this device does not support DRM (as it looks it never will) and you can not record ATSC 3.0 AC-4 sound without paying for that DVR service from Silicon Dust. The HD Homerun can be used for a nice open source DVR using Jellfin, however you still need to purchase an outside EPG subscription for $35 a year from Schedules Direct.
I dont think its silicon dusts fault. I think its the atsc 3 people not giving silicondust any direction or rules on how to be compiant @@tomgeriak3757
Thanks for helping clear up confusion. TV makers aren't very informative about what they're selling. They'll boast about their top couple of features like 4K and streaming support, but don't say enough about what else they support. They may tell you no more than there's an antenna connector (if the even tell you that much). Not whether it supports NTSC, ATSC 1.0, ATSC 3.0, and not if that includes DRM. I still don't know if Nextgen support implies DRM support too or not. I still have old equipment (Computer and games, VCR, DVD player, etc.) that may need to use the older standards, but all TV makers care about is boasting about the newest features. I only know LG isn't supporting ATSC 3.0 because you told me so. If not careful, I could easily be unpleasantly surprised if I buy a TV and find out it doesn't support all the standards I want.
I have both, the HDHomerun and Tablo. Hands down, I am a HDHomerun fan. I thought I'd get a Table so I wouldn't have to pay for the option of recording, however, Tablo formats the USB drive in such a way that you can not take it off and watch what you recorded on your laptop or computer. Deal breaker for me. Plus, if my vpn is on I have issues connecting. Now HDHomerun I have is a dual tuner with USB port. For $35/yr that allows me to record and then I can take my usb and watch where ever and whenever I want. Otherwise, both give a good picture. Table does give you the additional internet channels too. HDHomerun only shows what your antenna gives.
Thanks for a cord cutter bit. Tablo gen 1 stopped working after 5 years, It worked very well. HD Homerun stopped after 18 months. It was better than the Tablo, but died
12 Reasons why OTA DRM ATSC 3.0 TV will fail. Just say NO to (DRM). Tell your USA Government about the Hostile Takeover of (OTA DRM ATSC 3.0 NEXTGEN-TV) issues listed below. DRM (Digital Rights Management) Encrypted TV Station's signals. Why? Some 3.0 tuners at this time require you stay on the internet to decode DRM 3.0 TV Stations. Why? 3.0 Currently no 4K and you only get the Simulcasted main channel and no sub channels. Channel Crawling = super slow channel changing (DRM 5 + seconds slow). No sound because of Dolby AC4 audio codec does not have a legal open source license to decode legally on many devices. Some 3.0 tuners have Out of sync audio to video problems. Private Home Networked OTA antenna tuner boxes like (Tablo TV box) can not get official certified approval for DRM ATSC 3.0 NEXTGEN-TV. Why? You may need non OTA home pay internet for updates and to unlock DRM encrypted ATSC 3.0 tv channels. Possible DRM restrictions on DRM ATSC 3.0 recordings and no viewing anywhere on any device with no sound. Emergency alert messages can not be received if DRM is blocking them. OTA DRM ATSC 3.0 TV will fail because the FCC is not going to turn off ATSC 1.0 TV stations for many years if not enough people buy 3.0 TVs and 3.0 boxes. No one has solve the problem of no government money for free DRM 3.0 TV tuner boxes because 1.0 TV turners and recorders will not work after that TV Station switches to 3.0 TV broadcasts. (Range and signal error correction) OR (more sub channels and near 4k picture) trade off problem. FCC is not forcing any 1.0 TV Stations to move over to 3.0 TV. So some TV stations will be on 1.0 and others will be on DRM 3.0. The FCC is only allowing OTA Simulcasts of the ATSC 1.0 main channel at this time on DRM ATSC 3.0 NEXTGEN-TV. DRM ATSC 3.0 is a not finished product and is a work in progress mix of unproven ideas that has never gotten full FCC approval at this time. Software updates for 3.0 tuner boxes may be needed for changes made to the unfinished and future added new official ATSC 3.0 standards modules. Patent License problems. LG no longer sells TVs with ATSC 3.0 tuners. Some 3.0 TV tuners companies may go out of business or stop updates leaving you with no DRM or software updates. OTA ATSC 3.0 is better but is not perfect and still can be affected by weak tv signals: (distance, weather, planes, trees, buildings, trucks, poor antenna, etc). FCC rules that 5 percent of old ATSC 1.0 coverage area does not need to be covered anymore = (SHORTER RANGE). Viewing zone outside of your 15 minute city or town could be blocked. Your TV viewing habits could be tracked by your serial number or IP address. ATSC 3.0 is updatable until it is not updatable without new hardware tuners (ATSC 4.0, 5.0, 6.0, 7.0......). Some of these 3.0 TV issues may be fixed over time. This is only some of the mess with DRM ATSC 3.0 TV. This is my opinion why DRM ATSC 3.0 TV will fail. IMO. Stay on OTA 1.0 TV until DRM is removed from OTA ATSC 3.0 by law. It is the people versus the hostile takeover by private DRM 3.0 TV stations for control over the USA public airwaves. IMO 2024..
Am not sure how different TV signals are but am in the UK I have a single TV aerial input in my lounge and using a 4 way powered TV signal booster and running over cat6 through my house I now have 4 rooms able to watch HD UK freeview/OTA on regular TVs (not locked so that each TV has to watch the same channel). Need to use Female to RJ45 Male Coaxial Coax Barrel Coupler at both ends to convert from RF to Rj45 and back again at the the TV end (along with some other simple adapters (everything cheap as chips - think I paid all in less than £50) and also passing throught my patch panel. No apps, no PCs/Mac - just normal TV in rooms I would not be able to run a regualr coax to from the aerial.
Were you a fan of the Amazon DVR box from a few years ago? I have one (don’t use it anymore) and it was pretty cool. With the DVR built in and all the channel listings. It is still viable? Could I hook it back up?
Here in Canada I axed the cable 6yrs ago. In this apartment I get a whopping 3 channels 2 of which their reception is sporadic. Good thing I only watch OTA tv for the nightly news.
I think you forgot to mention one thing, that most TV's have built-in tuners and don't need any of the devices mentioned in this video to watch TV, only if you want to record TV. BTW, I've owned 3 HDHomeRuns over the years and they are exceptional units with every new model an improvement on an already good unit. I give away my old units and make new converts to the HDHomeRuns. One thing I keep asking reviewers who run test TVs to judge performance is to test tuners. I"m old enough to remember reviews that always tested turners because they were a major selling point. Nowadays I can't point to one magazine or channel that tests tuners for the numbers of channels they bring in, the quality and the speed of the built-in TV guides. I've had two Samsungs that had good tuners but the TV channel listings were S L O W. I've written Rtings twice about it.
@@LonSeidman I understand that. What I'm saying is that some people watching this video would think that to watch free OTA tv they need to buy one of the boxes mentioned. Do you remember those commercials for some 'special device' that attaches to your tv to get free TV and only costs $30-$40? You and I know that anyone could go buy one of equal or better quality for a fraction of those prices. I'm saying that some people watching this video would think similarly. Usually you are very detailed in your videos and while watching this I totally expected a word or two about the built in OTA reception abilities of most TV's. This video is primarily about the boxes but secondarily about people's ability to watch OTA tv. Adding a word or two about built-in tv tuners would make it clearer for some people who aren't tech savvy. I'm in my 70's and for a few years used to write about tech, mostly photographic gear, software, computers, etc. and it's amazing that many people today are ignorant that their tv's have a tuner built in thinking they need a little satellite dish on their roofs or pay for Internet service just to watch what their shows. It used to be every TV came with some sort of antenna. Nowadays people would have to read the manual to know this, and how many people bother to open a manual anymore? I just thought taking a moment to mention built-in tuners would be a part of your usual thoroughness in covering a subject. Especially when you also talked about ATSC 1.0 and 3.0 reception but connected that to the boxes, ignoring the built-in tuners. I've written to Rtings a couple of times now about their lack of even mentioning the tuner performance of the tv's they review.
Which of these devices is best for streaming outside the home? And can this be done without running a VPN through my router? I have Nord installed on my phone but don’t believe I can install it on my ATT router.
I want this for my mom but where she lives, she's surrounded by mountains so those indoor antennas wont do it. I havent tried the larger indoor antennas... Has anyone here tried them?Ive tried basic leaf antenna's which work great where I live but not in her area :(
I bought the 4th Gen Tablo when it first came out, and have been happy with it. I'm reluctant to spend the money on any ATSC 3.0 equipment for now. I'm taking a 'wait and see" attitude about the whole thing, and I know I'll be good with what i've got for the next couple of years.
I am confused. These broadcasters use the open public airwaves to broadcast their signals. Then charge people for using the signals. It’s like a private bus company uses the existing bus stops for their buses to pick up and drop off their customers , but they don’t pay for using the spaces.
Didn't we go through this 'over the air' incription many years ago? I thought there was such hell raised for the elderly community that couln't afford cable TV that they eventually backed off and free'd up their signals again.
User of Tablo Gen 4 since September. Even though this product is 2 year old, I would consider the client apps as beta software. Lot's of bugs and inconsistent UX across the apps. No Windows app and no web browser support. Unfortunately they are about the only player in this space.
Onn is just a Google TV box (with licensed software). It does not have an OTA ATSC 3.0 tuner. The only Android Box with an ATSC 3.0 DRM tuner and recording capabilities is GTMedia X1. Zapper Box is based on Android but does not allow you to load and use Android APKs (apps) other than UA-cam.
Instead of barking up the FCC tree it might be more effective to go to the networks the local broadcasters are affiliated with. They have a huge financial interest in their programming being seen by the largest audience possible and encryption and higher transmission fees jeopardizes this. What would happen to the stations if they suddenly were told cease the encryption or we will walk away from our affiliation and you don't get to air our programming anymore? That's a pretty powerful amount of leverage. ABC, NBC, Fox, and CBS have FAST or streaming partners they could immediately broadcast their feeds to at the flip of a switch.
@LonSeidman which is stupid. It makes zero financial sense. In fact its like taking money putting it in a shredder and then lighting the remains on fire.
@@briandonegan8480 from their perspective the only revenue worth protecting are the subscriber fees. It's a terrible business model but that's what they've hitched their wagons to.
I have no interest in 3.0. I live in a rural area and have a Tablo and I we have translators. It will be years until we get 3.0 out here. I don't see this happening in 2027. They will lose a lot of viewers. People are moving more and more to streaming. Most of the TV shows can be found streaming and local news streams anyway for free. Many people are moving to "On Demand", where traditional live TV is less important. Also pay OTA has never worked out. In fact there was a service launched in Boise ID when 3.0 got started, only to fail in a few months. If the broadcasters want to lose their 20% or more they have from viewers now, DRM will do that. Plus 3.0 is too complicated, with an internet connection and all. The public will not be interested. If all of the TV sets have 3.0 in years to come and DRM goes away, the audience will be there. But this not going to work as it stands.
I’ve let the FCC know my feelings on DRM and the reasons why it doesn’t make sense for anyone. Let free options stay free. DRM isn’t going to fix the issue of people ditching cable nor is it going to entice people to go out and buy a new tuner to watch what was once free. ATSC 3 has a lot of perks, broadcasters should focus on other revenue streams and leave the OTA signal be.
Broadcast signal encryption seems nearly a non-issue as there is seldom watchable content on local channels. Do we really need "judge judy" reruns and junk programming that is little more than filler between ads. Besides dismal content, OTA programming is beset with an onerous ad volume... which often comprises 30+% of air time. For me, the OTA experience is too painful to bear. I haven't missed it for the past 5 years.
I barely watch broadcast tv now anyways. If they force me to pay for it, I will stop watching any of it. I am not going to pay to watch tv. They already have so many commercials that I can barely stand them, and then to have to pay for the privilege of watching their commercials is a bridge too far for me.
That did not work for the NTSC standard. We were forced by the Government to switch over so they could sell off our airwaves to private cell phone companies.
ERRATA: at 3:58 I incorrectly stated that DVR fees can be $35-$40 per month, it's actually PER YEAR.
I combined my Plex Pass with my HD Homerun for DVR to my Plex Server - not the most "elegant" solution but aside from the investment in the Plex Server and one time Plex Pass lifetime it's worth it for the locals...
I love my HDHomeRun. Been using it for close to 10 years now with zero issues. My SIL uses my Plex server and the HDHomeRun, all the way in California, to tune into the Detroit Lions when they are playing. Its pretty cool to think she's using my antenna up in the attic.
Thank you for another great video Lon, you do a great service for many, many people.
Thank you my lord
We have always used OTA TV as we are in a fairly rural area. I was excited about getting an HDHomerun system to watch TV on our computers and excited about the technical improvements of ATSC 3.0. As you mentioned ATSC 3.0 rollout has been pretty much derailed due to broadcasters decision to use DRM to encrypt their programs. Until this gets resolved we plan on sitting on the sidelines.
The latest Tablo TV update has made it so much more reliable.
Not for the Roku users among us. Some sort of glitch between Roku's update and Tablo has made many channels unwatchable.
Encrypting hd antenna transmissions will just push people to pirated iptv
Those days are over with newer encryption. Not like the bootloader days of direct TV.
I run the Tablo TV app in my Windows 11 PC with an Android emulator. It works really well.
Me too
Always appreciate your channel. You got me started with my HD Homerun and Plex. Thanks
Love my HDHomeRun Flex 4k!
You are the king of OTA digital television information 😂
Another great video. Yeah, DRM encryption blows, but I have heard, do the very limited tuner manufacturers it may not be going through. As you know, it all started with LG discontinuing the ATSE 3 tuner installation in the TV due to the DRM encryption lawsuit. I believe the other makers are following suit. With a very limited product available for the ATSE 3 tuners, it could, I hope, be scraped. You have more of an ear on the subject than I.
Yes. Silicondust charges me ~35 per year for TV listings service for my HDHomerun device. I don't mind paying it at all if it helps keep the service running indefinitely and covers development costs of the occassional software and/or firmware update.
Thanks For This Information. 😀👍
I think ATSC 1.0 will broadcast past 2027. Could pickup the tablo cheap during Black Friday. I bought it for my mom however I have been running HDHomeRun for years.
I would like to start a project similar to Mr. Rogers where I make videos mocking society for artistic pleasure. Just found a nice Midi keyboard at Goodwill for $15 so I can make the total budget 30 dollars by mixing Pepsi and Milk. You'll see soon enough, but I love the content Lon, and we will keep fighting the good fight!
A couple of Athlons and Durons may have passed on in the process but we will keep chugging along!
Because it's not about processors or graphics cards in play. It's about a strange concoction we'll mix today.
The Hdhomerun ATSC 3.0 gives me 4 tuners for ATSC 1.0 or 2 for ATSC 3.0 and 2 for ATSC 1.0.
I have Tablo I use it on my I pad 11 inch pro love it
I got my first SEARS BETA VCR in 1978 and taped every second of Beta Tapes, then I got VHS, then over the air VHS/DVD Recorder VCR, Which I converted my tapes to DVD's. I would get Cable for 2 years record every show I could, then get rid of it for 3 years, then get it again for 2 more years, etc....Then added a tuner to my laptop and recorded 1000's of shows on my laptop. I have converted all of these files to digital files. Looking at how ATSC 3.0 is shaping up, I am glad I did.
Anything I can do with all this exvinity carb?
Unfortunately, I am in a rural area more than 60 miles from any tower.. Any options for me?
any of these options for dvb-t receiving??? (eu's tv standard).
If only there was something worth watching 💩
@@yannisgk HD Homerun sell a version that works in Europe. I have been using a 4 tuner box in the UK for years and it has been rock solid.
@@davewhite7182 thanks!!!
Curioua why AirTV 2 was not in your thumbnail. Any reason not consider AirTV in this list of devices?
I was not aware of that product.
The RCA AT705 sold at Home Depot is a good roof antenna for up to 40 miles
I have one HDHomerun 4 tuner and three Tablo's, HDHomerun is a more basic interface but very reliable, the Tablo is being updated regularly and a fancier interface but has a number of quirks and minor problem's that can be irritating. In my area there are several ATSC 3.0 stations with some using DRM which HDHomerun is not able to decode and some more that do not use DRM.
LonBall is giving away 100 Sony QD oleds but cutting the power cords. It still has some value if you simply fix the cord.
You should use grounding devices on tv antennas to protect you from lightning strikes.
Any chance for PCI cards or USB tuners like the existing Hauppauge QuadHD coming along for ATSC 3? All of my media is on my server, recorded TV included. If they're on the verge of allowing external gateway devices, surely internal or USB tuners are soon to follow, right?
Unfortunately Hauppauge does not support ATSC 3.0 on any product they sell. The only gateway device with ATSC 3.0 is HD Homerun Quad 4k, however this device does not support DRM (as it looks it never will) and you can not record ATSC 3.0 AC-4 sound without paying for that DVR service from Silicon Dust. The HD Homerun can be used for a nice open source DVR using Jellfin, however you still need to purchase an outside EPG subscription for $35 a year from Schedules Direct.
I dont think its silicon dusts fault. I think its the atsc 3 people not giving silicondust any direction or rules on how to be compiant @@tomgeriak3757
Thanks for helping clear up confusion. TV makers aren't very informative about what they're selling. They'll boast about their top couple of features like 4K and streaming support, but don't say enough about what else they support. They may tell you no more than there's an antenna connector (if the even tell you that much). Not whether it supports NTSC, ATSC 1.0, ATSC 3.0, and not if that includes DRM. I still don't know if Nextgen support implies DRM support too or not. I still have old equipment (Computer and games, VCR, DVD player, etc.) that may need to use the older standards, but all TV makers care about is boasting about the newest features. I only know LG isn't supporting ATSC 3.0 because you told me so. If not careful, I could easily be unpleasantly surprised if I buy a TV and find out it doesn't support all the standards I want.
I'm a long time OTA user (never-cable). We have a TV with PIP. We love PIP. Do any of these Gateway devices have a PIP capability?
I have both, the HDHomerun and Tablo. Hands down, I am a HDHomerun fan. I thought I'd get a Table so I wouldn't have to pay for the option of recording, however, Tablo formats the USB drive in such a way that you can not take it off and watch what you recorded on your laptop or computer. Deal breaker for me. Plus, if my vpn is on I have issues connecting. Now HDHomerun I have is a dual tuner with USB port. For $35/yr that allows me to record and then I can take my usb and watch where ever and whenever I want. Otherwise, both give a good picture. Table does give you the additional internet channels too. HDHomerun only shows what your antenna gives.
HD Homerun doesnt have a reset button and couldnt find a way to reset on the app
Thanks for a cord cutter bit. Tablo gen 1 stopped working after 5 years, It worked very well. HD Homerun stopped after 18 months. It was better than the Tablo, but died
Did you send it in for repair? I think they have a two year warranty. My prime from 2013 is still cranking away after 11 years! Never been turned off!
I’m using and HDHomerun Quattro with Plex to watch and record shows.
12 Reasons why OTA DRM ATSC 3.0 TV will fail. Just say NO to (DRM). Tell your USA Government about the Hostile Takeover of (OTA DRM ATSC 3.0 NEXTGEN-TV) issues listed below.
DRM (Digital Rights Management) Encrypted TV Station's signals. Why?
Some 3.0 tuners at this time require you stay on the internet to decode DRM 3.0 TV Stations. Why?
3.0 Currently no 4K and you only get the Simulcasted main channel and no sub channels.
Channel Crawling = super slow channel changing (DRM 5 + seconds slow).
No sound because of Dolby AC4 audio codec does not have a legal open source license to decode legally on many devices.
Some 3.0 tuners have Out of sync audio to video problems.
Private Home Networked OTA antenna tuner boxes like (Tablo TV box) can not get official certified approval for DRM ATSC 3.0 NEXTGEN-TV. Why?
You may need non OTA home pay internet for updates and to unlock DRM encrypted ATSC 3.0 tv channels.
Possible DRM restrictions on DRM ATSC 3.0 recordings and no viewing anywhere on any device with no sound.
Emergency alert messages can not be received if DRM is blocking them.
OTA DRM ATSC 3.0 TV will fail because the FCC is not going to turn off ATSC 1.0 TV stations for many years if not enough people buy 3.0 TVs and 3.0 boxes.
No one has solve the problem of no government money for free DRM 3.0 TV tuner boxes because 1.0 TV turners and recorders will not work after that TV Station switches to 3.0 TV broadcasts.
(Range and signal error correction) OR (more sub channels and near 4k picture) trade off problem.
FCC is not forcing any 1.0 TV Stations to move over to 3.0 TV. So some TV stations will be on 1.0 and others will be on DRM 3.0.
The FCC is only allowing OTA Simulcasts of the ATSC 1.0 main channel at this time on DRM ATSC 3.0 NEXTGEN-TV.
DRM ATSC 3.0 is a not finished product and is a work in progress mix of unproven ideas that has never gotten full FCC approval at this time.
Software updates for 3.0 tuner boxes may be needed for changes made to the unfinished and future added new official ATSC 3.0 standards modules.
Patent License problems. LG no longer sells TVs with ATSC 3.0 tuners.
Some 3.0 TV tuners companies may go out of business or stop updates leaving you with no DRM or software updates.
OTA ATSC 3.0 is better but is not perfect and still can be affected by weak tv signals: (distance, weather, planes, trees, buildings, trucks, poor antenna, etc).
FCC rules that 5 percent of old ATSC 1.0 coverage area does not need to be covered anymore = (SHORTER RANGE).
Viewing zone outside of your 15 minute city or town could be blocked.
Your TV viewing habits could be tracked by your serial number or IP address.
ATSC 3.0 is updatable until it is not updatable without new hardware tuners (ATSC 4.0, 5.0, 6.0, 7.0......).
Some of these 3.0 TV issues may be fixed over time.
This is only some of the mess with DRM ATSC 3.0 TV.
This is my opinion why DRM ATSC 3.0 TV will fail.
IMO. Stay on OTA 1.0 TV until DRM is removed from OTA ATSC 3.0 by law.
It is the people versus the hostile takeover by private DRM 3.0 TV stations for control over the USA public airwaves.
IMO 2024..
Tell me what part of the above that the incoming administration could care less about.
Trump's appointee for the FCC has said that he supports DRM. We really messed up during the election. 😢
@@rickygonzalez2519 Then if DRM becomes a reality, you can say goodbye to OTA TV and people will not pay for OTA TV.
Maybe that is what the broadcaster wants. It is expensive to keep a transmitter site going.
@@patrickmartin4996 no doubt it will be sad😢
Am not sure how different TV signals are but am in the UK I have a single TV aerial input in my lounge and using a 4 way powered TV signal booster and running over cat6 through my house I now have 4 rooms able to watch HD UK freeview/OTA on regular TVs (not locked so that each TV has to watch the same channel). Need to use Female to RJ45 Male Coaxial Coax Barrel Coupler at both ends to convert from RF to Rj45 and back again at the the TV end (along with some other simple adapters (everything cheap as chips - think I paid all in less than £50) and also passing throught my patch panel. No apps, no PCs/Mac - just normal TV in rooms I would not be able to run a regualr coax to from the aerial.
Were you a fan of the Amazon DVR box from a few years ago? I have one (don’t use it anymore) and it was pretty cool. With the DVR built in and all the channel listings. It is still viable? Could I hook it back up?
It should still work! I never got one due to the difficulties with ATSC 1.0 in my area.
Here in Canada I axed the cable 6yrs ago. In this apartment I get a whopping 3 channels 2 of which their reception is sporadic. Good thing I only watch OTA tv for the nightly news.
But I can still plugged an antenna straight to my TV and watch OTA channels, correct? Or will DRM take that away?
Yes but once the ATSC 1 channels are turned off you’ll need an ATSC 3 compatible tuner
Don't you need an internet connection to decode DRM?
I think you forgot to mention one thing, that most TV's have built-in tuners and don't need any of the devices mentioned in this video to watch TV, only if you want to record TV. BTW, I've owned 3 HDHomeRuns over the years and they are exceptional units with every new model an improvement on an already good unit. I give away my old units and make new converts to the HDHomeRuns.
One thing I keep asking reviewers who run test TVs to judge performance is to test tuners. I"m old enough to remember reviews that always tested turners because they were a major selling point. Nowadays I can't point to one magazine or channel that tests tuners for the numbers of channels they bring in, the quality and the speed of the built-in TV guides. I've had two Samsungs that had good tuners but the TV channel listings were S L O W. I've written Rtings twice about it.
This video was about gateway devices :)
@@LonSeidman I understand that. What I'm saying is that some people watching this video would think that to watch free OTA tv they need to buy one of the boxes mentioned. Do you remember those commercials for some 'special device' that attaches to your tv to get free TV and only costs $30-$40? You and I know that anyone could go buy one of equal or better quality for a fraction of those prices. I'm saying that some people watching this video would think similarly. Usually you are very detailed in your videos and while watching this I totally expected a word or two about the built in OTA reception abilities of most TV's. This video is primarily about the boxes but secondarily about people's ability to watch OTA tv. Adding a word or two about built-in tv tuners would make it clearer for some people who aren't tech savvy. I'm in my 70's and for a few years used to write about tech, mostly photographic gear, software, computers, etc. and it's amazing that many people today are ignorant that their tv's have a tuner built in thinking they need a little satellite dish on their roofs or pay for Internet service just to watch what their shows. It used to be every TV came with some sort of antenna. Nowadays people would have to read the manual to know this, and how many people bother to open a manual anymore?
I just thought taking a moment to mention built-in tuners would be a part of your usual thoroughness in covering a subject. Especially when you also talked about ATSC 1.0 and 3.0 reception but connected that to the boxes, ignoring the built-in tuners. I've written to Rtings a couple of times now about their lack of even mentioning the tuner performance of the tv's they review.
Lon, I'm watching local TV on tablo windows app.
Which of these devices is best for streaming outside the home? And can this be done without running a VPN through my router? I have Nord installed on my phone but don’t believe I can install it on my ATT router.
You can do it with Plex and an HDHomerun. This is another thing that will be restricted by ATSC 3 DRM.
@ Plex combined with the HDHomerun won’t require a VPN? I’ll sign the petition, btw.
Plex live TV streaming works like hot garbage though. Channelsvr does a much better job of it.
You can use Plex+ subscription or Jellyfin for free to stream a HD Homerun outside the home (only ATSC 1.0).
I want this for my mom but where she lives, she's surrounded by mountains so those indoor antennas wont do it. I havent tried the larger indoor antennas... Has anyone here tried them?Ive tried basic leaf antenna's which work great where I live but not in her area :(
5:20 Lon for scale.
I’m very tiny :)
I filed.
I bought the 4th Gen Tablo when it first came out, and have been happy with it. I'm reluctant to spend the money on any ATSC 3.0 equipment for now. I'm taking a 'wait and see" attitude about the whole thing, and I know I'll be good with what i've got for the next couple of years.
I am confused. These broadcasters use the open public airwaves to broadcast their signals. Then charge people for using the signals. It’s like a private bus company uses the existing bus stops for their buses to pick up and drop off their customers , but they don’t pay for using the spaces.
Didn't we go through this 'over the air' incription many years ago? I thought there was such hell raised for the elderly community that couln't afford cable TV that they eventually backed off and free'd up their signals again.
User of Tablo Gen 4 since September. Even though this product is 2 year old, I would consider the client apps as beta software. Lot's of bugs and inconsistent UX across the apps. No Windows app and no web browser support. Unfortunately they are about the only player in this space.
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No DRM. No deal. No way. Ever !
Trump's appointee to the FCC approves of DRM. We really messed up during the election.
I really like my hdhomerun. I use it as a dvr as well.i wish there was a solution for the atsc 3 encryption.
I want a RPi HAT for North American OtA TV.
Someone make a combo ATSC3.0/AndroidTV box. Onn maybe?
Onn is just a Google TV box (with licensed software). It does not have an OTA ATSC 3.0 tuner. The only Android Box with an ATSC 3.0 DRM tuner and recording capabilities is GTMedia X1. Zapper Box is based on Android but does not allow you to load and use Android APKs (apps) other than UA-cam.
The FCC should support their own Locast app! Remember Locast ? This would solve a lot of the hassle with adding an antenna etc etc
Instead of barking up the FCC tree it might be more effective to go to the networks the local broadcasters are affiliated with. They have a huge financial interest in their programming being seen by the largest audience possible and encryption and higher transmission fees jeopardizes this.
What would happen to the stations if they suddenly were told cease the encryption or we will walk away from our affiliation and you don't get to air our programming anymore? That's a pretty powerful amount of leverage. ABC, NBC, Fox, and CBS have FAST or streaming partners they could immediately broadcast their feeds to at the flip of a switch.
The problem is that the network owners, like NBC, were among the first to encrypt their locally owned stations.
@LonSeidman which is stupid. It makes zero financial sense. In fact its like taking money putting it in a shredder and then lighting the remains on fire.
@@briandonegan8480 from their perspective the only revenue worth protecting are the subscriber fees. It's a terrible business model but that's what they've hitched their wagons to.
I have no interest in 3.0. I live in a rural area and have a Tablo and I we have translators. It will be years until we get 3.0 out here. I don't see this happening in 2027. They will lose a lot of viewers. People are moving more and more to streaming. Most of the TV shows can be found streaming and local news streams anyway for free. Many people are moving to "On Demand", where traditional live TV is less important. Also pay OTA has never worked out. In fact there was a service launched in Boise ID when 3.0 got started, only to fail in a few months. If the broadcasters want to lose their 20% or more they have from viewers now, DRM will do that. Plus 3.0 is too complicated, with an internet connection and all. The public will not be interested. If all of the TV sets have 3.0 in years to come and DRM goes away, the audience will be there. But this not going to work as it stands.
I tell you what, though- I have MORE LUCK with my ancient Hauppuage PCI tuner cards than with a Homerun..
I’ve let the FCC know my feelings on DRM and the reasons why it doesn’t make sense for anyone. Let free options stay free. DRM isn’t going to fix the issue of people ditching cable nor is it going to entice people to go out and buy a new tuner to watch what was once free. ATSC 3 has a lot of perks, broadcasters should focus on other revenue streams and leave the OTA signal be.
They aren’t trying to prevent cable cord cutting, they are afraid of the next Locast
They won the court case against locast and enjoy many taxpayer funded legal protections to prevent future ones.
Broadcast signal encryption seems nearly a non-issue as there is seldom watchable content on local channels. Do we really need "judge judy" reruns and junk programming that is little more than filler between ads. Besides dismal content, OTA programming is beset with an onerous ad volume... which often comprises 30+% of air time. For me, the OTA experience is too painful to bear. I haven't missed it for the past 5 years.
Yes, I spend most of my viewing on You Tube these days.
They are not “their signals”.
Yeah I was on board with the zapper box until I saw it was $300
I barely watch broadcast tv now anyways. If they force me to pay for it, I will stop watching any of it. I am not going to pay to watch tv. They already have so many commercials that I can barely stand them, and then to have to pay for the privilege of watching their commercials is a bridge too far for me.
Don't buy the 3.0 boxes and force companies to keep 1.0 standard.
That did not work for the NTSC standard. We were forced by the Government to switch over so they could sell off our airwaves to private cell phone companies.
Regular tv sux - who has time to wstch such foolishness?