Fix Sandbagging by introducing an ELO Rating for all competitors. You can be whatever belt you want. Your ELO rating will force you into your correct matchups. Chess implements this worldwide and it's incredibly accurate at providing equal matchups and tiering individuals by skill. a 1500 ELO player in UK will find themselves incredibly close in skill to a 1500ELO any where in the world.
Bro, we're talking about the IBJJF... Ridiculous entry fees where all the profits get funnelled into the pockets of a bunch of egotistical, entitled greedy Brazilians. It's a good idea but we should all know by now they ain't gonna invest a penny unless it directly makes a return to their jetski funds
@@mikegrin2323Belts can remain arbitrary and awarded by a coach to pay homage to your knowledge and technical understanding. Your competitive rank should be completely separate. We can have respected associations set current competitors at an estimate ELO, which they will after after a few competition settle into the correct bracket. They can’t continue to dominate like this for more than a few comps which I think is fair, be rewarded for the hard work. But out of respect for others learning and moving up forces them up. Lots of cases there just arnt enough competitors to match with ELO anyway, so we would likely see a lot of “friendly” unranked comps as well as ranked more serious ones. Adds more layers to the competitive experience.
I think it a great idea. Comp platforms like Smoothcomp already record data like this (wins,losses, subs etc) so it is a matter of going through the record so far and assigning the ELO scores for competitors
Mateus Cardoso (2:10) who won the double gold is a clear example of a sandbagger. He got his blue belt in 2020, in 2022 he won the Brazilian nationals. It's already 2024 and it's still blue?
What ppl need to realize is that some of these blue belts have come through the kids belt systems. So blue belt could be their 14th belt. A juvenile blue typically has the same mat time as a black belt that started as an adult.
@@UrsaoPQDI've been training for over 12 years (hobbyist but still) and I'm still a blue belt. I still get excited if I beat a black belt but I've been training longer than some of them. If you don't get given the belt there's nothing you can do.
Indeed, I've been a blue belt since 2005, stopped competing but within the confined walls of bjj academies, I usually toy with white belts, give some blues a run for their money and this year, can hang with purples. I've stopped being concern with belts when I realize that the metrics of instructors are far off of what we, students, think of, like I mean, way far off, off chart like. I know many of em are trying to re-invent the wheel, and think outside the box, but Jesus Christ, why you need your students to stack up medals so much ?
Well to all the folks and haters in the comments. I am Denys Budzynskyi trainer, min 2:36. He spent 1 year as a white belt. And this september is going to be 2 years as a bluebelt. 😂 I cant even give him his purple - IBJJF wont allow it. 3 years of Jiu-Jitsu in september 2024. Never did a day of judo in his life. He trains a lot though. Thank you all for the kind complements. 😂😂😂 I know you guys feel bad about your own skills seeing this. Come train with us. You will be right up there.
@@thewrenchjockey7146 well they are calling it sandbagging. A guy with 2.5 years of JJ and no Judo background 😀. He is not ready for purple belt. He will be. September 2024. We still have Worlds to win. Its his first time at Worlds. Im Gracie Barra by the way. Make up your minds. Either we handout belts and our blue belts suck or we are sandbaggers. You can't have both.😂
Thank you for clarifying that. Everyone here suggesting that is somehow unfair clearly lack some understanding of the sport. This is the elite, the best of the best.
@@rafaelborges8976 thank you my friend. That is exactly right. These are all professional athletes these days. Cant be compared with regular blue belts.
@@plcoelho I dunno man your first comment you said you aren’t allowed to promote him to purple making it sound like it’s not your decision, it’s IBJJF’s (meaning it’s not intentional sandbagging on your part). But now you’re saying you still have worlds to win before you’ll promote him which to me sounds like you would choose to keep him at blue belt either way so he can win which is intentional sandbagging…
Not really. They can submit some black belts, but there are black belts they cant catch. That doc wont mention it of course, cause its rigged or plague with a marketing label for em. I heard this saying one day, if you're a high level blue belt and sandbag the blue belt div, but cant submit hobbyist black belt within 5 second in the very first second of a sparring round, you might not be as black-ish as you think. Maybe brown-ish, maybe purple-ish.
there must be better rules in belt grading.. its just.. unfair.. My local black belt instructor will prob need to go 100 percent to deal with these blue belts 😮💨
I understand where you coming from but unless your black belt instructor is a high level black belt competitor that comparison can’t be made. I was there competing and got choked out in less than two minutes in the light feather adult blue division by someone who was clearly waaaay better. This is the highest level is this sport, the best of the best competing against each other . It’s nothing to do with the grading system, it’s just life. Some people are just better than other people at doing what people do🤞
@@rafaelborges8976 But having blues who can submit black is very bad for a martial art. I speak as a wrestler, it makes yall sport look mediocre. In wrestling there is never a div 1 who can be beaten by a 2 year prodigy wrestling.
My student Erik trains hard and is on time in this range. He was world champion in Abu Dhabi in 2023 and did very well in this European Championship and anyone who thinks they shouldn't be a Blue belt should train with us to understand the quality of our team. Much respect to all the athletes mentioned in this video, they did very well
@@Ronc7836 Its not necessarily who I'M comparing them to, but who FloGrappling is comparing them to... surely they should know what constitutes "moving like a black belt", right?
your duck example cracks me up, I spilled my coffee. Nice. the fact is, I speak as a wrestler if anybody care, even if the blue won the worlds, it never cumulated the long time training of a black, and never seasoned its blue, and this BJJ thing looks very bad if blues high level are beating of their hobbyist blacks. Now I know the bjj guys will throw their mumbo jumbo at me trying to explain the maths of how they came up to this, I don't care. If the blue belts worlds arent black, then there is a reason, and please let go of the mumbo jumbo for me.
Everyone complaining that a modern high level blue belt is better than their local strip mall black belts. Should the blue belt be promoted or should the black belt be demoted?
rushed techniques, shallow forms, snatched subs, etc, etc. If they are compared to bjj black belts, then no wonder why John Danaher once said, they're bunch of em out there who suck. Speaking of bjj black belts to Lex Fridman.
You literally CAN'T be as good as they are in that period if you're legitimately a blue belt. These are youths and young adults who have been training their entire lives 2 or 3 times a day everyday versus _actual_ blue belts (again, they are supposed to be at the second-lowest rank in JJ, hence, a beginner). They should be facing black belts...
Fix Sandbagging by introducing an ELO Rating for all competitors. You can be whatever belt you want. Your ELO rating will force you into your correct matchups. Chess implements this worldwide and it's incredibly accurate at providing equal matchups and tiering individuals by skill. a 1500 ELO player in UK will find themselves incredibly close in skill to a 1500ELO any where in the world.
Bro, we're talking about the IBJJF... Ridiculous entry fees where all the profits get funnelled into the pockets of a bunch of egotistical, entitled greedy Brazilians. It's a good idea but we should all know by now they ain't gonna invest a penny unless it directly makes a return to their jetski funds
It will never happen. Sadly
@@mikegrin2323Belts can remain arbitrary and awarded by a coach to pay homage to your knowledge and technical understanding.
Your competitive rank should be completely separate. We can have respected associations set current competitors at an estimate ELO, which they will after after a few competition settle into the correct bracket.
They can’t continue to dominate like this for more than a few comps which I think is fair, be rewarded for the hard work. But out of respect for others learning and moving up forces them up.
Lots of cases there just arnt enough competitors to match with ELO anyway, so we would likely see a lot of “friendly” unranked comps as well as ranked more serious ones. Adds more layers to the competitive experience.
Well said. This is important for the sport.
I think it a great idea. Comp platforms like Smoothcomp already record data like this (wins,losses, subs etc) so it is a matter of going through the record so far and assigning the ELO scores for competitors
S A N D B A G G E R S
Thank you I wasn't the only one thinking it😂😂
💯- not cool for the real blue belts
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Mateus Cardoso (2:10) who won the double gold is a clear example of a sandbagger. He got his blue belt in 2020, in 2022 he won the Brazilian nationals. It's already 2024 and it's still blue?
Freddy Lele Talla, the guy he beat by decision in the medium heavy division's final, did not even train BJJ back in 2020
Gotta get the grand slam by any means necessary amirite
What ppl need to realize is that some of these blue belts have come through the kids belt systems. So blue belt could be their 14th belt. A juvenile blue typically has the same mat time as a black belt that started as an adult.
exactly, blue belt but close or more than 10 years mat time hahahaha
@@AnothaRealm as a 47 year old black belt I’ll never underestimate a young blue belt. I’ll respect them, and feel them out and adjust accordingly.
Adrian Roberto won double gold at Purple and he has 11years of jiu jitsu, exactly because of what you said
@@UrsaoPQDI've been training for over 12 years (hobbyist but still) and I'm still a blue belt. I still get excited if I beat a black belt but I've been training longer than some of them. If you don't get given the belt there's nothing you can do.
Exactly 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
So if you’re a blue belt that rolls like a black belt you’re not a blue belt 😂
Indeed, I've been a blue belt since 2005, stopped competing but within the confined walls of bjj academies, I usually toy with white belts, give some blues a run for their money and this year, can hang with purples.
I've stopped being concern with belts when I realize that the metrics of instructors are far off of what we, students, think of, like I mean, way far off, off chart like. I know many of em are trying to re-invent the wheel, and think outside the box, but Jesus Christ, why you need your students to stack up medals so much ?
Awesome video. Killer blue belts! Fun that you highlight some of the colored belts. Would like to see the same type of thing with purple and brown…
Erik Rodrigo a rising star☄️🥇
Well to all the folks and haters in the comments. I am Denys Budzynskyi trainer, min 2:36. He spent 1 year as a white belt. And this september is going to be 2 years as a bluebelt. 😂 I cant even give him his purple - IBJJF wont allow it. 3 years of Jiu-Jitsu in september 2024. Never did a day of judo in his life. He trains a lot though. Thank you all for the kind complements. 😂😂😂 I know you guys feel bad about your own skills seeing this. Come train with us. You will be right up there.
I think the comments are really just saying that IBJJF should allow you to promote him to purple already… so nobody is hating on you or your students…
@@thewrenchjockey7146 well they are calling it sandbagging. A guy with 2.5 years of JJ and no Judo background 😀. He is not ready for purple belt. He will be. September 2024. We still have Worlds to win. Its his first time at Worlds. Im Gracie Barra by the way. Make up your minds. Either we handout belts and our blue belts suck or we are sandbaggers. You can't have both.😂
Thank you for clarifying that. Everyone here suggesting that is somehow unfair clearly lack some understanding of the sport.
This is the elite, the best of the best.
@@rafaelborges8976 thank you my friend. That is exactly right. These are all professional athletes these days. Cant be compared with regular blue belts.
@@plcoelho I dunno man your first comment you said you aren’t allowed to promote him to purple making it sound like it’s not your decision, it’s IBJJF’s (meaning it’s not intentional sandbagging on your part). But now you’re saying you still have worlds to win before you’ll promote him which to me sounds like you would choose to keep him at blue belt either way so he can win which is intentional sandbagging…
If they roll like a black belt… they probably are 😂
Not really. They can submit some black belts, but there are black belts they cant catch. That doc wont mention it of course, cause its rigged or plague with a marketing label for em.
I heard this saying one day, if you're a high level blue belt and sandbag the blue belt div, but cant submit hobbyist black belt within 5 second in the very first second of a sparring round, you might not be as black-ish as you think. Maybe brown-ish, maybe purple-ish.
there must be better rules in belt grading.. its just.. unfair.. My local black belt instructor will prob need to go 100 percent to deal with these blue belts 😮💨
I understand where you coming from but unless your black belt instructor is a high level black belt competitor that comparison can’t be made.
I was there competing and got choked out in less than two minutes in the light feather adult blue division by someone who was clearly waaaay better.
This is the highest level is this sport, the best of the best competing against each other .
It’s nothing to do with the grading system, it’s just life. Some people are just better than other people at doing what people do🤞
@@rafaelborges8976 But having blues who can submit black is very bad for a martial art. I speak as a wrestler, it makes yall sport look mediocre. In wrestling there is never a div 1 who can be beaten by a 2 year prodigy wrestling.
My student Erik trains hard and is on time in this range. He was world champion in Abu Dhabi in 2023 and did very well in this European Championship and anyone who thinks they shouldn't be a Blue belt should train with us to understand the quality of our team. Much respect to all the athletes mentioned in this video, they did very well
These look more like high level purple and brown belts..
correction: advance purples or decent browns.
@@tededo
Absolutely, either way you cut it these “blue belts” should be competing at a higher belt level…
More like sandbaggers
In brazilian Portuguese we say “Gato”, in English that’s mean “Sandbagging”!
if a "blue belt" moves like a black belt then they should be a black belt! "if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck ..."
Or maybe the black belts you're comparing them to should be demoted
@@Ronc7836 Its not necessarily who I'M comparing them to, but who FloGrappling is comparing them to... surely they should know what constitutes "moving like a black belt", right?
your duck example cracks me up, I spilled my coffee. Nice.
the fact is, I speak as a wrestler if anybody care, even if the blue won the worlds, it never cumulated the long time training of a black, and never seasoned its blue, and this BJJ thing looks very bad if blues high level are beating of their hobbyist blacks. Now I know the bjj guys will throw their mumbo jumbo at me trying to explain the maths of how they came up to this, I don't care.
If the blue belts worlds arent black, then there is a reason, and please let go of the mumbo jumbo for me.
We've been there for the second year in a row ❤
If you win gold at blue blue belt at an ibjjf level tournament you should no longer not be allowed back at blue belt the next year, facts
Maybe after so many gold medals you should be forced to move up a Belt??
ERIK RODRIGO é um mito!!!
Everyone complaining that a modern high level blue belt is better than their local strip mall black belts. Should the blue belt be promoted or should the black belt be demoted?
These kids have been doing BJJ since they were 5 yo, they are black belts.. colored belts competition is fucked because of this..
Denys is the monster
Yep but the man who beat him is a bigger monster
@@nastynas75018by one advantage and holding on for dear life at the end 😊. But props to Leo Benoit. Amazing guard. They will meet again.
ERIK RODRIGO , THE STARRR!
Lebroni made him look bad
@@UrsaoPQDBut have you seen the Absolute??
Sandbagging and late releases post tap. Poor form all around, frankly.
rushed techniques, shallow forms, snatched subs, etc, etc. If they are compared to bjj black belts, then no wonder why John Danaher once said, they're bunch of em out there who suck. Speaking of bjj black belts to Lex Fridman.
No way in hell I'm competing anymore. Too much bs with this system of grading.
I thought blue was a beginner belt lmao
Freee Gaza. Osss 🇵🇸
Precisamos de divisões no bjj.
ERIK RODRIGO, THE GOAT!
all i see are sandbaggers
Everyone saying that people are sandbagging in a way suggesting this is unfair. It’s not. Train harder, get better.
They’re in a blue belt division though. It’s supposed to be the best of the not very good. These folks are very good.
You literally CAN'T be as good as they are in that period if you're legitimately a blue belt. These are youths and young adults who have been training their entire lives 2 or 3 times a day everyday versus _actual_ blue belts (again, they are supposed to be at the second-lowest rank in JJ, hence, a beginner). They should be facing black belts...
sandbaggers. how impressive.....lol