Pre-Med with LOW GPA - How to Still Get Into Medical School

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  • @MedSchoolInsiders
    @MedSchoolInsiders  4 роки тому +106

    01:18 Why is GPA important?
    02:46 Decide if you need to retake courses
    03:50 Bolster your transcript
    05:08 Post-bacc programs
    05:54 Special Master's Programs (SMP)
    06:36 Strengthen your Extracurriculars and Experiences
    08:04 Consider Osteopathic DO and Caribbean MD schools
    08:43 But what about ME?
    As always, time stamps in description

  • @oreman011
    @oreman011 5 років тому +2544

    Had a 3.1 overall in undergrad. Gained clinical experience as an EMT and made it my mission to destroy the MCAT. Accepted for class of 2023

    • @scarletth8211
      @scarletth8211 5 років тому +20

      Did you do a post-bacc or SMP? May I ask your science GPA and did you get accepted into an MD school?

    • @oreman011
      @oreman011 5 років тому +118

      @@scarletth8211 science GPA is a 3.2, I'm in a post bacc now but got the interviews before the post bacc grades came out. 2 MD and 1 DO acceptance

    • @hammadali594
      @hammadali594 5 років тому +14

      @@oreman011 Congrats. I must say however, your username made me LOL when I read you got into med school.

    • @oreman011
      @oreman011 5 років тому +36

      @@hammadali594 lol maturity is overrated

    • @scarletth8211
      @scarletth8211 5 років тому +2

      @@oreman011 congratulations! Did you tell the schools that you were doing a post-bacc? And may I ask what your gpa was for that?

  • @deadwalkertodoctor1111
    @deadwalkertodoctor1111 5 років тому +2105

    Graduated with

    • @jennywrenn469
      @jennywrenn469 5 років тому +6

      Congrats!

    • @ThaMagnaCarta
      @ThaMagnaCarta 5 років тому +8

      2023? did you graduate from college? or are you in middle school? what are going to do for for 4 years?

    • @arleeya
      @arleeya 5 років тому +2

      Congrats!

    • @arleeya
      @arleeya 5 років тому +74

      OnDay 7 They graduated from college and completed a Special Masters Program (SMP). They’d start medical school in 2019 and graduate in 2023 (4 years later).

    • @ownthispwn
      @ownthispwn 5 років тому

      Congratulations.

  • @halimaakter7388
    @halimaakter7388 5 років тому +702

    This is 100% legit. I graduated with a 3.2 overall and science GPA and ended up studying extremely hard for the MCAT. Ended up with a 521 score and did a year of post bacc at my university and aced 24 credits with a 3.9 GPA. I am currently enrolled in an US MD school. I received 3 MD interviews and 3 DO interviews. I highly recommend choosing a US school over the Caribbean schools.

    • @shakenyacurtis175
      @shakenyacurtis175 5 років тому +1

      Hi, what did you study? I graduated May 3, 2019 with a 2.993 GPA . I haven't taken the MCAT yet, but I want to score high to be able to be considered for med school. Do you have any suggestions on what I need to do?

    • @shakenyacurtis175
      @shakenyacurtis175 5 років тому

      or the route I need to take

    • @halimaakter7388
      @halimaakter7388 5 років тому +31

      @@shakenyacurtis175 Hi. I used the Kaplan MCAT books along with Khan Academy for the Psych section. I took a practice exam every week for 2 months and thoroughly went through everything I needed to. Keep a consistent study plan ( for me I studied over the summer for 6 days a week for 3 full months ). Don't take the MCAT until you are consistently doing at least 512+ on the practice tests (that you can buy) if you want to do MD and try to aim for 507+ if you're doing the DO route. For your GPA, you need major repair. Go to any 4 year university and do 20-30 credits of upper level science courses and ace them. You can also do an SMP but remember if you mess up the SMP, its basically over. Good luck !

    • @shakenyacurtis175
      @shakenyacurtis175 5 років тому +1

      a hal thank you ! I’m currently enrolling in a post-back program to fix my gpa , also with these classes it help increase my score for the MCAT . Thank you for this information! It was very helpful !

    • @caffeinelady
      @caffeinelady 5 років тому

      Why the US over Caribbean??

  • @AnImprovActor
    @AnImprovActor 5 років тому +690

    3.25GPA, 500 MCAT, got into an SMP and MSU's MD program. Y'all, clam down. Work hard, study hard, live ya life, and gain exprrience. Learn to sell yourself. The end. Breath.

    • @motorcyclemama3662
      @motorcyclemama3662 5 років тому +2

      Marcus Childs thank you so much for the advice. If you don’t mind, which college you got your Smp?

    • @justtoolit6051
      @justtoolit6051 5 років тому +3

      L Reyes he clearly said MSU. So Michigan State University

    • @clayhannn
      @clayhannn 5 років тому +19

      You don’t know how much I needed this comment, lol.

    • @tosinakin2508
      @tosinakin2508 4 роки тому +18

      @@justtoolit6051 MSU could mean Michigan State or Mississippi State to the average observer. It doesn't hurt to ask.

    • @classy_chinita67
      @classy_chinita67 4 роки тому

      😂😂😂😂

  • @jevaughnhenry2204
    @jevaughnhenry2204 5 років тому +875

    As a former sub 2.0 GPA student, I've been using Dr. Jubbal's videos for years and can attest to their strength in changing my study habits to a point now where I can juggle 18~ credits of hard sciences without falling below 3.7 while still doing other extracurriculars and working. His videos have the information and while I haven't gotten an official acceptance, I am back within a competitive position with a strong upward trend. (Applying this cycle)

    • @su1eman282
      @su1eman282 5 років тому +13

      Hi first of all congrats that’s amazing to hear . What would you recommend to someone who was a 2.8 student with 12 science credits and a 4.0 student with 10 science credits but would like to be a 3.5 student and 15 science credits. Basically when I take less classes I excel to mastery but kind of chicken out with anxiety stress and procrastination with 4+ upper level science classes

    • @jevaughnhenry2204
      @jevaughnhenry2204 5 років тому +30

      @@su1eman282 In short, I would say to look through the following aspects:
      1. Schedule: Set aside time dedicated for just studying and timed breaks
      2. Course load: strategically plan your semester. For instance, me personally, I found it a lot better to take physics and chemistry together with something like genetics as opposed to something like calculus. I prefer to have a schedule where it isn't too one sided. Meaning two memory based courses with two practice based courses (This semester for me: Neurophysiology and Anthropology are my memory based courses where as Organic and Physics are my practice based courses)
      3. Make sure your study skills are on point.
      4. Take breaks the knowledge won't go missing if you break once in a while.
      Again, I highly recommend watching Dr. Jubbal's videos on studying, pomodoro technique, and how to make a proper schedule as those three videos specifically helped me get to where I want to be.

    • @jevaughnhenry2204
      @jevaughnhenry2204 5 років тому +23

      @N K And ill also remember when I aced Physics, Chemistry, Anatomy, Microbiology, Gen Biology. Sorry. I didn't know getting poor grades in Freshman seminars and not doing well in other basic gen Ed's four years ago means I will be killing patients. 😁

    • @ericmanso7355
      @ericmanso7355 5 років тому +18

      Jevaughn Henry
      That guy an asshole for that comment
      We blks keep pushing for higher achievement

    • @jevaughnhenry2204
      @jevaughnhenry2204 5 років тому +48

      @@ericmanso7355 Hey. I know where I stand, it doesn't matter and I also want to help black and other minority students acheive their desired results and true potential in STEM fields. A lot of people who make those arguments also fail to mention the disadvantages of growing up in poor communities and not having access to their parents money for extra tutoring and MCAT courses. 😴- Truly misunderstood

  • @kwesibentil8495
    @kwesibentil8495 5 років тому +751

    Where my future doctors at!!!!!😎😎

    • @ericmanso7355
      @ericmanso7355 5 років тому +12

      Kwesi Bentil
      I’m so hype my phone screen says
      Dr. Eric Frempong-Manso M.D.

    • @jennywrenn469
      @jennywrenn469 5 років тому +12

      future veterinarian here, I think that counts! 🐾🐄🐖🐑🐎🐕

    • @subsistence73
      @subsistence73 5 років тому +4

      RIGHT HEEEERRRREEEE!!! 👩🏾‍💻👩🏾‍🎓👩🏾‍⚕️

    • @DoctorFashion
      @DoctorFashion 5 років тому +3

      right here! LOL

    • @dougchamroeun4139
      @dougchamroeun4139 5 років тому +1

      Future DVM right over here 😊🐰🐷🦙🐴🐑

  • @lydia3139
    @lydia3139 5 років тому +459

    I actually feel so proud of myself, this notification popped up on my laptop but I waited to finish my psychology notes before watching 😂 self discipline is a thinggg

  • @SeunSpeaks
    @SeunSpeaks 4 роки тому +154

    My science GPA was below a 3.0 for 3/4 years in college, my MCAT score just a point or two above African American average. Didn’t do a post bac and got into 5+ MD schools this cycle. Never give up on yourself.

    • @sierrastewart5725
      @sierrastewart5725 4 роки тому +3

      Congrats ! I’ve been racking my brain if I should do a post bacc but Im a full time nurse and there aren’t many formal programs around me. I think I’m gonna just take the pre req classes and like 2-3 upper level sciences. That will delay my application cycle but maybe those 2-3 extra classes will help. 🤷🏽‍♀️
      I’m gonna subscribe to your channel !

    • @SeunSpeaks
      @SeunSpeaks 4 роки тому +3

      Sierra Stewart yea going to school part time at community college definitely takes longer, but may work with you schedule better. You just have to decide what will help your application better. If you need to quit your job to do a full post bac - by any means necessary.

    • @Ash_Queen16
      @Ash_Queen16 4 роки тому +2

      This gives me hope! I have a science GPA below 3.0 (not sure the exact value is but it's not below 2.5 for sure) and I haven't taken the MCAT yet. May I ask what schools accepted you and what is the average MCAT score for African Americans?

    • @daveyjones3016
      @daveyjones3016 4 роки тому +1

      Seun Speaks congratulations 🎉

    • @OrganicDolphin
      @OrganicDolphin 3 роки тому +10

      @@Ash_Queen16 the stats don’t lie. If an Asian had her stats, they wouldn’t even be looked at. If you are not an African American, her story does not relate to you in any way whatsoever.

  • @esmetirado3248
    @esmetirado3248 4 роки тому +83

    Reading these comments make me feel like I’m not alone. Thank you for everyone sharing their stories. I am crying because I am so proud of all of you trying so hard. Education is everything to me. No one in my entire family in history graduated college. I hope I will be the first. I hope we all make it where we went to be. Never give up. We can do it. God bless🥺🤍

  • @DoctorYammy
    @DoctorYammy 5 років тому +151

    Here is a quick summary of my path:
    Graduated from college in 2015. Applied to med school Summer 2016 and failed. Re-took my MCAT and re-applied in Summer 2017, got 2 interviews, but got waitlisted in both (failed again). I applied for an SMP in Summer 2018 in one of the schools that waitlisted me because if I was waitlisted, that means that they were interested to some degree. After busting my ass and proving that I got what it takes, they called me in for another interview. I was accepted this March 2019 into that school :)
    TL;DR
    2016-2017 cycle: Fail
    2017-2018 cycle: 2 interviews (waitlisted)
    2018-2019: SMP and accepted

  • @jennywrenn469
    @jennywrenn469 5 років тому +185

    I had to retake genetics & Organic Chem but I have a 3.4 & climbing now, so more encouraged 😊

    • @Lilianaa9498
      @Lilianaa9498 5 років тому +3

      Jenni Wrenn i have to retake genetics to

    • @jennywrenn469
      @jennywrenn469 5 років тому +7

      @@Lilianaa9498 Ugh, I really did not like genetics. I think it may have been the professor tho, when I retook it I got an A with someone else. Best of luck!!!😊

    • @simply_sophia
      @simply_sophia 4 роки тому

      Jenni Wrenn same!

    • @shivmirani748
      @shivmirani748 4 роки тому +3

      Yo I’m in the exact position right now minus the genetics retaking lol had to retake orgo I having gotten a D- but got a A- on the redo! Gpa at just over 3.4 after completing sophomore year still have 2 years to raise it

  • @Moneyisgoodforme
    @Moneyisgoodforme 5 років тому +99

    I can't wait until I don't need to watch your videos anymore.

    • @tobimilkeu8737
      @tobimilkeu8737 3 роки тому

      my heart breaks a little but yeah.
      WE'RE GONNA MAKE IT SOON.

    • @GeorgiaBJJ
      @GeorgiaBJJ 7 місяців тому

      You make it in?

  • @jediknight533
    @jediknight533 5 років тому +147

    This was absolutely the information that I needed. My mind has been absolutely racing with negativity because of some less than optimal scores and I was despairing. This gives me another perspective that I need to work even harder BUT that hope is not lost. I really appreciate this video and what you had to say. Thanks doctor! :3

  • @JC-je3jc
    @JC-je3jc 5 років тому +111

    A postbacc (now a masters) program saved me from my undergrad behaviors, now im my way into a D.O. program. There are side and back doors!!

    • @pearlsmith99
      @pearlsmith99 5 років тому +2

      Shaboopy I hope this will be my case. I called all the schools I want to go to & they recommend post bacc. I like the idea of DO. So hopefully I’ll be in your situation. How expensive is the post bacc?

    • @dentonfugere6732
      @dentonfugere6732 4 роки тому +1

      What was your gpa

    • @Marcus-sk2xf
      @Marcus-sk2xf 3 роки тому +1

      Were you able to take the post bacc classes at night or were you full-time student?

    • @JC-je3jc
      @JC-je3jc 3 роки тому +1

      @@pearlsmith99 mine was 45k for one year. Ended up with a 3.8gpa and 498 mcat

    • @JC-je3jc
      @JC-je3jc 3 роки тому

      @@Marcus-sk2xf full time

  • @brandonduffy8896
    @brandonduffy8896 2 роки тому +12

    I got an A in Organic Chemistry II but I’m a chemistry major and was bored in Community College my first couple years and slacked off because I tried too hard in high school with 4.3 GPA and experienced burnout in college. I got accepted to better schools but I couldn’t afford it even with financial aid. In addition I had to pay for my living and college myself for 5 years working 20-30 hours a week so I ended with a 3.27 GPA. I personally believe if I didn’t have to work and took an easier major my GPA would be higher - Logic tells me that GPA can not be the only factor that will determine whether a person would be successful in medical school and become a proficient doctor. I am finally graduated with my bachelors and what I think is important about obtaining your goals is the amount of effort you put in and to not let setbacks define your future.

  • @citlalivillegas9298
    @citlalivillegas9298 5 років тому +91

    Lol I’m not even planning to go to med school but I enjoy these videos

  • @flammo9
    @flammo9 5 років тому +50

    Solid info all around. Personally speaking though, I think the carribean route is too high risk altogether. If you slip up, there is literally no mercy + 6 figure debt. DO is a significantly smarter route to take if US MD doesn't pan out.

  • @DrAdnan
    @DrAdnan 5 років тому +54

    I did a postbacc to help my gpa! Good tips 👏

    • @OrganicDolphin
      @OrganicDolphin 5 років тому

      Can you elaborate on what that is specifically? Can you just take upper level science courses, or should you apply for a known post bacc program in a university?

    • @DrAdnan
      @DrAdnan 5 років тому +2

      Astro Dan I chose to apply to the postbacc for structure and more of an official designation, other features the program offered like a committee letter and extracurricular activities at my location, but it depends on your situation and how far off your gpa is from where you want to be. Some postbacc programs have prestige or higher chances of getting interviews as well.

    • @pearlsmith99
      @pearlsmith99 5 років тому +1

      Adnan A how much did your program cost? I’ll most likely finish my undergrad with a 2.95gpa. I called all the med schools I want to apply too & all but one said I’d definitely need to do a post back program.

  • @chrismccurrin9534
    @chrismccurrin9534 5 років тому +60

    Wish I had seen this video sooner, but it was nice to get some validation that I had been doing all the right things. I'm just about to finish an SMP with a 4.0 (unless I manage to fail my finals), I retook the MCAT last fall (519), and I did about 1500 hours of scribing last year. Now it's time to polish the personal statement and cross my fingers for the upcoming application cycle! I wish everyone else the best of luck as well!

    • @bolt7047
      @bolt7047 2 роки тому +1

      Did you get in?

    • @8beautylover8
      @8beautylover8 2 роки тому +1

      so...🥺

    • @chrismccurrin9534
      @chrismccurrin9534 2 роки тому +10

      I got in! Not in the application cycle I was talking about in the original comment, but the following year I got multiple acceptances. Just finished my first semester at my #2 choice!

    • @8beautylover8
      @8beautylover8 2 роки тому +3

      @@chrismccurrin9534 congratulations that’s amazing doesn’t matter how you start but how you finish! im doing my masters now and studying for the mcat soon hope i get in 🥺

  • @saralee8996
    @saralee8996 5 років тому +31

    Just to support the D.O. vs. Caribbean with data: in the 2018 Residency Match, 51.2% of US citizen international med students (i.e. Caribbean med schools) matched into their preferred specialty, compared to 82.6% for D.O. students and 91.8% for US M.D. students.

  • @DoctorFashion
    @DoctorFashion 5 років тому +16

    I LOVE EVERY VIDEO U POST. GREAT INFO !

  • @BrielleDPerez
    @BrielleDPerez 4 роки тому +17

    My father passed away before my first year of college and I have finished my freshman year of undergrad with a 3.0.. This year I am much more motivated and in a way better mindset and the break from school (due to the pandemic) actually helped me regain motivation for school. I have decided as a sophomore in undergrad that i would like to do pre-med. Currently hoping that my actions the next three years will make up for my freshman year. Also, does anyone have any experience with medical schools having a “reason for bad mark” section of the application... I believe I can explain my poor grades for last year.

  • @Metachief_X
    @Metachief_X 3 місяці тому +1

    I’m from NYC and left school behind (computer engineering) to work in software engineering for 5 years. I haven’t finished school (have one more class left). My gpa is 2.7 and that is due to the fact that I was dealing with school with bipolar disorder type 1 and was not medicated. If you look at my transcript, it’s exactly like my illness. Some semesters I got A’s, some semesters I got C’s or D’s. There’s no upward trend, just ups and downs like my mood swings. I was hospitalized twice during school and suffered psychosis. I found comfort in religion (Christianity) and have been stable for two years on meds and currently working as a software engineer full time. I feel my calling is not at a desk behind the screen, but working on demistifying the brain and helping people with similar disorders (I’m thinking of pursuing psychiatry). Am I crazy for thinking that it can be done? Is the sky the limit for people like me? Would like to know your thoughts…

  • @nickchezum1088
    @nickchezum1088 5 років тому +15

    Great video but I have a comment on the community college thing. I did all my pre reqs at a cc in the San Diego area, besides biochemistry because it’s upper division chemistry not offered there. After this my friend and I have both transferred from there to a near by state school for me and UCSD for him and we both agree that our community college science classes were harder than our upper division chemistry courses. The difficulty of the pre reqs and such depend on the school in my experience just so people know

  • @lemonysnippet8502
    @lemonysnippet8502 5 років тому +13

    2.3 first degree (life science), 3.6 second degree (nursing) and 95th percentile mcat. is there any chance for me for allopathic medicine?

    • @cracksemiro6375
      @cracksemiro6375 5 років тому +10

      I would say yes, you show a good trend

  • @eagillum
    @eagillum 5 років тому +11

    My GPA would be 3.7 if they don't count the classes from over a decade ago.

    • @m.y.515
      @m.y.515 5 років тому +2

      Erin M I had a similar issue when I applied. MD schools count older grades even if you retook the classes. DO schools (at least when I applied about two years ago) accepted the most recent score. Look into DO schools and good luck 👍.

  • @jackieg37
    @jackieg37 4 роки тому +6

    I’m crying because my GPA is ASS and I love wanted this my entire life and I’m doing so much outside stuff to build my resume and trying very hard to adjust my studying habits and trying really hard to do what I can and it’s nice to hear I still have a chance 😿😿

    • @michellex723
      @michellex723 4 роки тому +1

      I randomly saw this and am compelled to write lol cause I’m in the same boat, good luck to you!!

  • @kaigrant7535
    @kaigrant7535 5 років тому +7

    This is making me feel better since I had a not so hot first year but I’m in the process of fixing it. I’m only a sophomore in college

  • @MrApplewine
    @MrApplewine 4 роки тому +7

    I majored in computer science. The average GPA for my class was 2.7 and I got a little below that. I guess I should have majored in something easier or gone to a school that has grade inflation like Harvard which the most common grade is an A.

    • @kareem2457
      @kareem2457 3 роки тому

      Take a masters which will give you an edge

    • @leastani1636
      @leastani1636 3 місяці тому

      Same literally 2.7 gpa on computer engineering - now wishing I did something else lol

    • @MrApplewine
      @MrApplewine 3 місяці тому

      @@leastani1636 I didn't want to go into medical school. No idea why I commented on here. Places that require above a 3.0 but don't care what you majored in are really stupid people.

  • @Martianhunter09
    @Martianhunter09 5 років тому +9

    Quick question. If my undergrad GPA was 3.8 but my pharmacy school GPA was 3.2-3.4, how bad would that look to medical schools? since it is a downward trend but with much harder courses.

  • @fridmughal5575
    @fridmughal5575 5 років тому +72

    Felt like an ad

  • @NFA44
    @NFA44 5 років тому +9

    How can your GPA in med school effect your future as a physician and residency though?

    • @jimdandy8996
      @jimdandy8996 5 років тому +5

      STEP 1 scores from the USMLE is what matters most in the type of residency you qualify for, followed by GPA.

  • @ringdingersworldwide741
    @ringdingersworldwide741 5 років тому +7

    I make a few bad grades and then youtube recommends this video for me to watch. Really......

  • @DelmarcusTalley
    @DelmarcusTalley 4 роки тому +8

    so happy to see all these comments still giving me hope to pursue my dream as a physician !

  • @sidrahkhan6659
    @sidrahkhan6659 5 років тому +8

    I’m actually studying pharmacy and want to get into medicine cause i’ve fallen in love with the clinical aspects of it. My gpa in the beginning was really bad but ever since my 5th semester its been going up and i was pretty upset that it doesnt change my cGPA buuut your video was very reassuring! I’m also working on some publications/internships. Thanks!

  • @farazr2
    @farazr2 5 років тому +14

    I ended up going Caribbean as a sub 3.0GPA, but greater than 512 (2015 MCAT) applicant. It's been scary, financially heavy, and I'm missing out on a lot that US MD/DO schools offer. However, I killed my classes and STEP1, and am on the path to residency. Just have to be accountable for yourself, even if your school tries its best to screw you over.

  • @JavelinArrow
    @JavelinArrow 5 років тому +5

    Hello, my final undergrad GPA is 2.75 and sgpa is 2.5 but my senior year I had a 3.67gpa and a 3.67 sgpa. Is there any hope for me? What should I do next?

    • @MedSchoolInsiders
      @MedSchoolInsiders  5 років тому +1

      Lots of other factors to consider. Check out our website for further assistance

    • @JavelinArrow
      @JavelinArrow 5 років тому

      Will do thanks

  • @DoctorFashion
    @DoctorFashion 4 роки тому +19

    I’m pre-med now & everything is so difficult .. I mean, I felt that last semester I had to compromise a lot ! I run 4 businesses and had over 24 credits with 7 classes .. my business suffered a little bc I wasn’t able to put the time into it as I did before when I was a full time entrepreneur ... I somehow managed to get a 4.0 but it was tough ! Time management is everything but sometimes I would fall off track ... I really want to become a physician and I’m almost willing to leave everything else behind if that’s what it takes... but I can’t do that right now... lol my business is also what is helping me stay debt free.. and as you can see from my channel one of my business is being a full time fashion designer .. life is tough! 😩😭 .

    • @daria.s.
      @daria.s. 4 роки тому +1

      Doctor Fashion good luck! You got this girl! plan plan plan!

    • @DoctorFashion
      @DoctorFashion 4 роки тому

      dar thank youuu 🙏🏾

    • @mr2phones_709
      @mr2phones_709 4 роки тому

      Late reply but that's amazing ! Good for you!

  • @ShirsJournal
    @ShirsJournal 2 роки тому +2

    I had a 3.06 overall undergrad, worked for 7months for an international cooperation under a health project about to ace my MCAT, while currently attending a med school in my country Sierra Leone. But my dream is to study medicine in North America. University of Toronto specifically, they require a 3.6 GPA,
    What is your advice, feel free please

  • @TurdFurgeson571
    @TurdFurgeson571 5 років тому +26

    I'm 12 and my GPA is a 4.2 and my MCAT is 700. Is that good?

    • @kicksethisd4161
      @kicksethisd4161 5 років тому +6

      TurdFurgeson571 I broke my leg, can you please do surgery on me?

    • @TurdFurgeson571
      @TurdFurgeson571 5 років тому +23

      @@kicksethisd4161 Yes. I can do it online.

    • @mianlaureen
      @mianlaureen 4 роки тому +8

      Hmm GPA still need some work

    • @sasquatch8268
      @sasquatch8268 2 роки тому

      Need a 700 GPA to get admitted

    • @TurdFurgeson571
      @TurdFurgeson571 2 роки тому

      @@sasquatch8268 Hopes are dashed

  • @llawliet7118
    @llawliet7118 5 років тому +5

    I’m so nervous! My GPA is right around 3.78, but my teachers said that’s pretty low to want to go to medical school with. I’ve only taken one AP class as of my sophomore year of high school. 😐

    • @Signedxlisa
      @Signedxlisa 5 років тому +9

      Love is Love that's bull, 3.78 is great

    • @Kwolfy321
      @Kwolfy321 5 років тому +41

      You’re in high school. None of your high school shit matters in college and especially not to medical school

    • @jerrypie
      @jerrypie 5 років тому

      Your undergrad GPA is separate from your high school GPA. Keep taking AP classes, try to score well on the AP exams, and go into college with credits under your belt, a good understanding of the sciences, and good study skills. My high school only offered one AP class to sophomores and that was AP World. You're in good standing for now, just keep at it :)

  • @andrew-hv1hv
    @andrew-hv1hv 4 роки тому +5

    I'm just wondering how on earth people are able to get clinical experience and volunteering opportunities prior to entering medical school. Here in Australia, there are tremendous restrictions that prevent people who are not direct medical staff from being "behind the scenes" on premises.

    • @8beautylover8
      @8beautylover8 2 роки тому +2

      it's definitely an american thing... canada doesnt allow/encourage shadowing either. but it's not impossible

    • @jamesbedukodjograham5508
      @jamesbedukodjograham5508 2 роки тому +2

      Australia has a better system and outcome.

  • @katiegrable3337
    @katiegrable3337 5 років тому +50

    I’m in 9th grade and I really want to be a surgeon and these videos always inspire me to work hard 👏👏

  • @shivmirani748
    @shivmirani748 4 роки тому +3

    I have a 3.4 now second semester sophomore year I feel that with the future courses I’m thinking I’ll most likely get somewhere between a 3.6-3.7 with a decent MCAT and extracurricular resume will that be ok?

  • @lilliampumpernickle4655
    @lilliampumpernickle4655 4 роки тому +3

    Currently a high school student taking dual credit classes, and at risk of getting a C in an English course. My current gpa is a 3.5, but this English grade is scaring me. I calculated my odds, and getting a B is unlikely

  • @emmalab02
    @emmalab02 5 років тому +28

    Will you eventually make a video series for high school students interested in becoming doctors?

    • @mellonhead1086
      @mellonhead1086 5 років тому +1

      Yes please

    • @HoodSwami
      @HoodSwami 5 років тому +1

      Just get good grades and extracurriculars and try to get into any direct-med programs at any colleges if you can. If not, the same knowledge from the video applies.

  • @daria.s.
    @daria.s. 4 роки тому +3

    Also, could you guys PLEASE do a so you want to become a psychiatrist video?

  • @sebucwerd
    @sebucwerd 5 років тому +6

    What if you have a high GPA, but poor extra circulars?

    • @MultiNerve
      @MultiNerve 5 років тому +11

      Then volunteer more. And get more involved. You're in a better scenario tbh. Maintain what you're doing, study-wise, and get involved with a consistent volunteer gig. Medical schools love to see consistency, especially with volunteer work and other extracurriculars (e.g. research, hobbies, clubs, etc.) My admissions committee person that helped with my application told me "it isn't just about the number of hours; it's about what meaningful experience you gain from it. I'd rather see someone with 200 hours and talk about volunteering during the whole interview or application than someone who volunteered for 500 hours and could maybe write 'I changed linens and got water for patients.'"

    • @royjohnson9043
      @royjohnson9043 5 років тому +3

      Get a life

  • @rmaha
    @rmaha 4 роки тому +6

    watching this the night before my organic chem final that I’m about to fail 😁😁

  • @Callmeromain2016
    @Callmeromain2016 5 років тому +12

    Great, this is THE video I was waiting for

  • @alangillette4699
    @alangillette4699 5 років тому +7

    second BS or post-bac?

  • @juanemanuelalmonte6033
    @juanemanuelalmonte6033 5 років тому +6

    I’m about to go to college and already preparing for my low gpa

  • @quazimohammadabrarnafis
    @quazimohammadabrarnafis 4 дні тому

    I am a 3rd year student of Biochemistry. And my CGPA is 'questionable'. I only have 11 more courses left to graduate and to be realistic, I don't think with increasing difficulty of the courses, I will be able to graduate with a good grade. I want to pursue my career in healthcare. Maybe in bioscience research, gerontology, public health or child nutrition. I am losing hope. I have a midterm tomorrow and I am panicking about my career. What suggestions would you have for me?

  • @cristianvarela6160
    @cristianvarela6160 5 років тому +8

    Keep up the good work. Hopefully I make it to medical school.

  • @hofnerbass3637
    @hofnerbass3637 5 років тому +3

    Does the undergrad school matter? I have a 3.4 at Cornell, a notoriously rigorous university.

  • @savedmiracle3912
    @savedmiracle3912 4 роки тому +2

    How can l become a neurosurgeon when my performance is medeoker's, what do l do l really need this

    • @cherryberry44
      @cherryberry44 4 роки тому +2

      Learn how to spell first lol.
      Mediocre.

  • @virginiatang8954
    @virginiatang8954 4 роки тому +10

    Just had a quick question, do medical school care which university you went to?

    • @yasamangaler1107
      @yasamangaler1107 4 роки тому

      virginia tang I’m not a med student but I have been looking a lot into this. The general answer is no, your undergrad doesn’t matter. But that being said some med schools interview students from certain schools more than others. Like UMich, many of their students went to UMich for undergrad and other selective schools. If what you mean is something out of the T20, sources say that generally it doesn’t.

    • @jonathandpg6115
      @jonathandpg6115 4 роки тому

      @@yasamangaler1107 remember though that the reason some schools get more interviews then others is also because of how well their students score.
      The answer is a strict no. What matters is YOU not your school.

  • @dragkyula9133
    @dragkyula9133 4 роки тому +7

    Thanks for covering this! Requesting a video where you more closely discuss post-bacc/SMP/non-traditional student options, especially for people with non-science backgrounds/who are seeking a career change.

  • @elinfelicia382
    @elinfelicia382 3 роки тому +1

    What if I was doing a different major for one year and had a terrible 2.8 GPA before I changed to a science major (back to first year) and got an average of 3.8 GPA? Will they take my old GPA into account?

  • @baconpancakes8899
    @baconpancakes8899 5 років тому +2

    Me looking at the minimum requirement (They all want A*AA, AAA, AAB, A*A*A, AAAA, A*BB for A levels) , me looking at the tuition fees :'( no scholarships, no bursaries

  • @adventurousdaredevil8903
    @adventurousdaredevil8903 5 років тому +3

    I have a question. So I took an honors course of English last semester, but failed due to some family problems that came up. I plan on retaking English this semester, but the honors course isn’t offered during the spring semester. Would retaking the regular course & getting a good grade in that affect my chances?
    I can’t afford to wait till fall to retake the class, but I feel like that seems to be a down-trend; fail the honors course then pass the regular course. Could you please give me some advice?!?!?!?!

    • @HowieDoIt93
      @HowieDoIt93 5 років тому +2

      I would say retake the same course the honors English course or whatever because if you happen to do well in it the second time, then it replaces the old grade.(This is how it works at my university)
      Assuming you're at university with a 4.0 system, let's say you take a 3 credit honors English and receive a 1.5 (C-) in the course. Well if you take a different English 3 credit class and receive a 4.0 in it your GPA would be lower than it would be if you just 4.0 the initial English class. To calculate this you need to multiple the grade in the course by the credit hours add this together and divide by the total number of credits.
      Scenario 1: taking different English class: 1.5 grade in honors course and 4.0 in different english course. Both 3 credits.
      (1.5x3 + 4.0x3 )/ 6 = 2.75
      Scenario 2: retake English class and 4.0 it.
      3x4.0/4=4.0
      Therefore retaking the English class will allow you to achieve a much higher GPA. It looks better on paper as well because if you take an easier English class it might look like you're trying to take the easy way out. Usually on applications they have a supplemental application where you can explain anything that went wrong. Hope this helps!

  • @clarawilson3326
    @clarawilson3326 2 місяці тому

    If i get a "degree" in university, but don't get into medical school what can i do with the degree or is it just useless. Thank you for all your videos

  • @fabiolacabrera7691
    @fabiolacabrera7691 10 днів тому

    I have a 2.3 I’m so freaking NERVOUS

  • @rachelberry3366
    @rachelberry3366 Місяць тому

    I've been a plasma center phlebotomist for five years. Does that count as clinical?

  • @stacyhernandez-vp6jq
    @stacyhernandez-vp6jq 5 місяців тому

    so should i do a post-bac or apply to a masters program?? i have 3 D’s in two pre-reqs, so which option would be better for me?

  • @RobertCallahan-m9e
    @RobertCallahan-m9e 20 днів тому

    Perez Christopher Taylor Brian Robinson Deborah

  • @felicia6438
    @felicia6438 2 місяці тому

    Is it possible to do an SMP online?
    What are some suggested schools for this?

  • @birthdaypicture7643
    @birthdaypicture7643 4 роки тому +2

    Any nurses to me here.. I need help how to convey I'm ready to be md.

  • @robbob5258
    @robbob5258 3 роки тому +2

    He's Dr.JuBalling

  • @TravelGuy9834
    @TravelGuy9834 10 місяців тому +1

    I gots a 1.9 GPA skored rel low on MCAT and I still gots xcepted to med skewl ends up get a 1.5 GPA and ends up wit relly low USMLE skores and stil inded up as a neurosurgeon. If I me kan do it, than u kan doo it to!

    • @Cam-qr4mp
      @Cam-qr4mp 6 місяців тому

      What school did you went?

    • @TravelGuy9834
      @TravelGuy9834 6 місяців тому

      @@Cam-qr4mp Herverd!

  • @marin4767
    @marin4767 5 років тому +4

    I’m bearly a freshman and I’m stressing over my 3.0 GPA 😔

    • @HowieDoIt93
      @HowieDoIt93 5 років тому +17

      Its chill man, I was a 2.2 student my fresh/soph year in college. I changed my life around and really started studying my head off. Im starting pharmacy at a top 10 program in the US this upcoming fall. You're a freshman you have plenty of time to redeem yourself. Study hard!

    • @marin4767
      @marin4767 5 років тому

      flameatk thank you for your comment it gives me a glimpse of hope. 🙂

    • @kgales457
      @kgales457 4 роки тому

      @@HowieDoIt93 whoa, can you give me study tips? Also, how did you get clinical experience?

    • @arieldevinci6118
      @arieldevinci6118 4 роки тому

      HChen Thank you for hope.

  • @isaiahkim4752
    @isaiahkim4752 4 роки тому +1

    Can i go to med school without 4 years of college? I came to America about two years ago and it doesnt seem I can go to a great college with a good score on the SAT. So Im planning to go to city college first and then transfer to another college such as UCLA, which has a pretty good med school. But If I go this way, Im not gonna fulfill 4 years of "college" because I will only spend about 3 years in actual college after city college..

    • @fuckingallthesehoes3295
      @fuckingallthesehoes3295 4 роки тому

      Isaiah Kim i think as long as you do what you’re required to do and get your degree you can get into med school

    • @levibeam100
      @levibeam100 4 роки тому

      All depends on the school. If you go to community College first, I still don’t know why you would only go for 3 years. As far as I know, there are no 3 year degrees. However in the case you get a bachelors in 3 years, I don’t see why not.

  • @astersaur
    @astersaur 5 років тому +5

    Hi, I’m in high school and I’m just wondering, how much do you need math to get into an undergraduate + medical school program?

    • @su1eman282
      @su1eman282 5 років тому +1

      Calc 1 and 2 + physics 1 and 2

    • @jizzypuff
      @jizzypuff 5 років тому +1

      Math is extremely important, you will have to take calc 1 and 2 depending on your school.

    • @Hacker07Gaming
      @Hacker07Gaming 5 років тому +1

      Kiersten Penney I took, college algebra, stat, precal, and trig. physics 1 n 2

    • @skylarrsullivan2294
      @skylarrsullivan2294 5 років тому +5

      Im pretty scared of math as well. The only math you will NEED is college algebra, a stats class, and physics 1 and 2. Some meds schools want calculus but not that many. Physics sounds scary but it mostly basic algebra if you take algebra based

    • @esdraslopez4658
      @esdraslopez4658 5 років тому +1

      Kiersten Penney calculus 1, and stats 1 and 2 are the minimum reqs for a premed program

  • @armonkoochek466
    @armonkoochek466 5 років тому +2

    I'm screwed. I have a 2.5 GPA. I can't even do anything now.

    • @blazanick
      @blazanick 5 років тому +3

      Armon Koochek trust in god

    • @blazanick
      @blazanick 5 років тому +1

      Armon Koochek pray & make a promise & keep it have faith

    • @MrDanjg4
      @MrDanjg4 4 роки тому +1

      lmao i'm in this exact same situation

    • @dominichernandez2403
      @dominichernandez2403 2 роки тому

      @@MrDanjg4 hello

  • @adrielisaacs9228
    @adrielisaacs9228 Рік тому +1

    There is some really solid advice in this video - Thank you Med School Insiders. As someone who had to repeat a bunch of courses to get my GPA above 3.5, I can agree with everything here. Try your best to have your transcript be full of As and Bs, and few if any Cs. For anyone wanting to get into Med School in the USA, having at least Cum Laude status (3.5 and higher) will better your chances of acceptance - if you fall below that GPA bracket, you need to be sure to get a high MCAT score. The additional programs mentioned in the video like SMP will help too. Good luck future doctors!

    • @lucygaytan7434
      @lucygaytan7434 Рік тому

      Does failing a class and retaking it and getting an A affect how they look at u

  • @raf7507
    @raf7507 5 років тому +9

    This was a 10 minute ad

  • @shadowyshadows3724
    @shadowyshadows3724 5 років тому +4

    Thank you for another helpful video!

  • @alessandrobrunetti2136
    @alessandrobrunetti2136 4 роки тому +1

    All you need to know is incredible MCAT and some luck

  • @duaa3547
    @duaa3547 4 роки тому +1

    First of i wanna say thank you so much for such a vedios which are really helpfull , i wan't also to share my story here so if anyone can advise me , im highschool gradutaed student class if 2020 ,graduated week ago now, at begining of the year i needed to transfer school after first semester midterms for a very private reassons , when i made it to the other school i started doing and working so hard to catch up all the previous lessons that they had before i came by, this was really hard but i can say that i could do it and passed first semester with a grade of 73% it was a bad grade tho upseted me for a while but as long as i promised to fix it all at the seconde semester which gived me hope and encouraged me and for reall as the seconde semester beagun o started doing very well having full mark at all quizes , well unfortanetly the pandemic of the covid 19 started by schools were closed and we had to do online schooling ,also did very well in them and never lost hope at my target which was a better overall marks , note: i was also regiestered for sat exam to be held in june but it was cancelled as well , my sad year story had finished by the worst new ihv heared which was out from the ministry of education of the country im studying at ,they have decided to cancell the seconde semester final exams which means we had to graduate by first semester marks :( , i can't even explain here how much disapointed and hopeless i felt like everything in world is against me felt really sad especially because im really intended to medicine ,now im doing my searches to see what can i do if there still hope or not

    • @themusicvibes2241
      @themusicvibes2241 3 роки тому

      I hope you have find out the way .
      Don't loose your hope .💜✨
      Stay positive ✨
      Miracle do happen 🌈🌠

  • @kamrynphillips5261
    @kamrynphillips5261 4 роки тому +5

    These comments are helping me cope with the struggles I'm facing right now so thank you all. Maybe I do have a chance.

  • @forever_golfer1981
    @forever_golfer1981 Рік тому

    Is the post baccalaureate GPA judged separately from your original undergraduate GPA?

  • @shruthibala3603
    @shruthibala3603 5 років тому +13

    What is a bad gpa? I have a 3.6 currently but most medical schools seem to have an average of 3.8

    • @ashellry
      @ashellry 5 років тому +6

      Shruthi Bala you’ll be fine with a 3.6!

    • @colleenheines2841
      @colleenheines2841 4 роки тому +3

      Below 2.0 is bad.. you’re ok!

  • @elandayanov1502
    @elandayanov1502 4 роки тому +1

    What about doing an masters in public health at a medical school instead of an smp? Will that be seen as a application booster I was told I would be taking some of my classes along with medical students

  • @halleyscomment7694
    @halleyscomment7694 Рік тому

    "If you are unwilling to revisit your systems and optimize your studying, learning, and testing strategies, you will not be successful in this journey."
    And that's exactly why I no longer want to go med school. I hate change and I get miserable at the very thought of putting in effort to learn new strategies. I'm also very introverted, so even if, by some miracle, I get into med school, I would still have to deal with the anticipation of knowing I'm going into a field that's all about working personally with people, often having to build rapport, fake a smile, show empathy, and probe for their most intimate details regarding things like sex and bowel movements as part of the job. Combine that with the fact that pretty much all medical students/doctors have to network to get residency and be successful in general, and I'm like, "nope, not for me."
    Give me a menial job any day of the week. As long as the income and benefits are sufficient, that's all I need to be content in this life.

  • @Janenurse
    @Janenurse 5 років тому +1

    I’m currently a psychology bs graduate. My first two years my gpa was low due to personal issues but I was able to climb to a 3.58 my last two years. I really would like to become a psychiatrist. I haven’t taken the MCAT yet and I still need to take some prerequisites before I even apply to medical school. I just wanted to know if my changes of getting in are impossible? And if anyone has any advice for someone who isn’t a science major . Thank u

    • @Janon743
      @Janon743 2 роки тому

      It looks like you had an upward trend in your gpa, a story of improvement so that’s a good sign
      I’ve heard a lot of places say 3.5+ gpa is generally safe, make sure you do good on your MCAT and clinical experience, volunteering, and non science majors are fine (many med school students are philosophy majors) as long as you took the prerequisite classes (and did well on them)

  • @johng4597
    @johng4597 5 років тому +15

    Graduated undergrad with a GPA of 3.27, no research and just bare bones extracurriculars (I was not president of premed club, I wasn't even in it). I studied for the MCAT and got a 35, applied to the osteopathic schools and got in. Now im finishing up my anesthesiology residency at an MD program at a university hospital. A sub 3.5 GPA is definitely not the end of your road if you work hard.
    Things I had going for me:
    1) Steady GPA improvement in last two years of undergrad.
    2) Obviously solid MCAT.
    3) Interviewed well.
    4) Willing to look outside the MD route.
    Find your strengths. Obviously if you're a good test taker and have the persistence to study hard, then rock the MCAT, that will help a lot. If you have great research and extracurrics that will help, keep it up. Look at DO or even Carib. Pre-meds sometimes scoff but my teaching hospital is full or residents and fellows who are DOs or Carib MDs and now a year or two away from being practicing anesthesiologists, cardiologists, general surgeons, ect.
    Good luck to all!

    • @briannguyen6248
      @briannguyen6248 5 років тому

      john g mind if I inquire about your science gpa? Mine is right in the cusp of 3.0 and I’m unsure whether or not I should even try applying this cycle. Current semester is killing me with biochem lab which takes a ton of time on top of biochem lecture ...
      Obviously you were able to do it. I think I’m just trying to find some hope lol and teasing this is hope giving but ... These past weeks have been gloomy for me. Persevering but idk 😐 also what do you mean by steady gpa improvement in last two years? Like if per semester you’re getting better gpa or overall your gpa improves each semester? Hope that makes sense.

    • @johng4597
      @johng4597 5 років тому

      @@briannguyen6248 Hey man. My science GPA was something like 3.15. I had a good freshman year of college, then very poor sophmore and junior years, then mostly As in my senior year to salvage my GPA. Do really well on the MCAT, study you ass off and learn some good test taking strategies, if your score is good, apply osteopathic this year.

    • @Ryan-co9xc
      @Ryan-co9xc 5 років тому

      Literally my sophomore year. So far I've made 2 D's, about to have 3 C's, and the rest are just A's and B's (this is throughout my time in college). I have a 3.31 cGPA, not sure what my sGPA would be. I have probably between one and a half to two years left, kind of worried if it's too late or not.

    • @dentonfugere6732
      @dentonfugere6732 4 роки тому

      john g thanks for this comment I have a 3.2 as a junior (first semester of junior year) made a couple of bad grades when my house flooded my freshman year but I’ve made all A’s since then, shadowing the head general surgeon at the biggest hospital in Beaumont Tx, and about to take the expensive prep class for the MCAT. My gpa is trending upwards and If I continue to make all A’s I should end up with around a 3.5 when I graduate! Wanting to go MD but definitely open to DO. Where did you attend medical school if you don’t mind me asking?

  • @anasabbas98
    @anasabbas98 5 років тому +2

    Wat gpa is considered competitive not for including top-tier md schools

    • @bxnyshit3416
      @bxnyshit3416 5 років тому +1

      Usually a 3.7 you can get by with a 3.5-6 if you have nice mcat and extracurriculars

    • @anasabbas98
      @anasabbas98 5 років тому

      Bx Ny Shit just avg ec’s and 3.6... prob avg mcat in 2 months sigh... just hope anyone preferably in ny wud take me

  • @laithsaleem580
    @laithsaleem580 5 років тому +1

    I am a power engneering student is there a channel to help you Ace through that not saying this channel is bad but i want some thing more spicified .

  • @intelgaming4434
    @intelgaming4434 5 років тому +2

    Ah the irony of this getting recommended for me....

  • @lekarid.8676
    @lekarid.8676 Рік тому

    Do you have to do post bacc or can you just take non-degree seeking courses to present to medical schools?

  • @morkymoose9590
    @morkymoose9590 Рік тому

    “Don’t do basic cancer science research” but I actually enjoyed it ;-;

  • @nadiaalli
    @nadiaalli 5 років тому +1

    What are my chances of getting into a US medical school if I'm an international applicant (particularly Caribbean), and I've completed an undergraduate degree in my respective country?

  • @debbyowens1493
    @debbyowens1493 Рік тому

    I a. In middle school and want to become a doctor my mom told me it would not work out but I hope to go

  • @mr.meeseeks6549
    @mr.meeseeks6549 5 років тому +3

    Where my future dentist's at? 😎

    • @rsp1239
      @rsp1239 5 років тому

      Acid Plug 🙌🙋‍♂️

    • @maybebabytam
      @maybebabytam 5 років тому

      Here! (I hope)

  • @ahmedamer8798
    @ahmedamer8798 5 років тому +1

    I have a question now I'm at the faculty of pharmacy and after finishing it I want to join faculty of medicine is that possible and how if it possible?

  • @pamelacode491
    @pamelacode491 5 років тому +2

    Can one obtain a volunteer position at a hospital without prior pre-medical coursework/experience?

    • @danieldelgado2790
      @danieldelgado2790 5 років тому +2

      Yes, it’s a volunteer position so they don’t really reject people.

    • @danieldelgado2790
      @danieldelgado2790 5 років тому +1

      But it does depend what type of volunteer position? I assumed you meant like transporting and discharging patients and answering the phone at a reception?

    • @pamelacode491
      @pamelacode491 5 років тому

      @@danieldelgado2790 Yes, I do mean literally any kind of volunteer position. The thing is I decided to enter medicine a few years after completing undergrad, and I don't have any connections with real life doctors, so I am really unfamiliar with what a medical internship entails.
      The other hard thing is that I have been living abroad since graduating and do not speak the native language fluently, which might make finding an internship near impossible. I will be here saving up until I start a post-bacc, and some post-baccs require medical internship/volunteer experience, so that kind of makes me disqualified from those ):
      I will still try to get some kind of internship/volunteer position with an international medical clinic here though.

    • @pamelacode491
      @pamelacode491 5 років тому

      @@danieldelgado2790 I appreciate your reply, thank you (:

    • @danieldelgado2790
      @danieldelgado2790 5 років тому

      Pamela Code it’s okay, no problem. You can go to your local hospital and ask them if you can speak to the person in charge of the volunteer department. Everything will be easy from there :) they will tell you what else you need from there, but do go talk to them.

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    @tbone6203 2 роки тому

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