It's very similar to me. The gas station I used when I still had my diesel closed a few weeks ago. The next one is inside the nearest town, driving there would be easily a hour with fueling, while charging at home takes only a few seconds. So why should I pay more to get the worse experience?
What happens in a storm when your roof. Is damaged. How are you going get parts. ? You’re stuck with no power phone coverage. 1 Jerry can of desial gets me 400 km You’ll still be trying to log on to your app to charge.
No one ever had a gas station at home, so it very east to work out that you always have enough to cover the 30km, I am 6 kilometres but you don’t run out. Ever..
@@johnmurphy9304how much to replace an engine, it's very expensive and at least 40% of the price of the new car even when it is refurbished, my brother just did that with a 6 year old car! EV batteries will work for at least 8 years and most likely double that, no reason to trade it in
@@eyeh8theleft seems the complexities switch. ICEs have the complex engine but simple power source. EVs have the simple engine but complex power source and systems.
The situation in the UK is more granular than you imply. Shell shut down my local 8-pump filling station two years ago for refurbishment. It reopened with just 4 pumps and 9 chargepoints
On top of this, shopping places of various sorts will add more and more. Making a stop just to refuel will become more and more obsolete. I already see plenty of chargers at Walmart and surviving shopping malls. Who would want to make a stop at a gas station to recharge? I can see why a few gas stations have added chargers, but I don't think that will work in most places. Maybe on interstate highways they make sense at rest stops, but that's about it.
In my country, Sweden, number of petrol stations started to decrease decades ago, especially in rural areas. Some reasons was economical and also stricter regulations. Risks of fuel leaks harming ground water. In rural districts, adding fast charge points is not easy due to limitations in the power grid.
I have lived in many many countries and never heard of fuel leaks from stations contaminating the water table. Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's likely and why ban fueling stations.
@@rodneyblackwell2557 In the US ground tanks by law can only be made by plastic material and not by steel. This law was passed in the 90's since metal tanks leak as they age.
@@rodneyblackwell2557 I am sure we won't hear about it if they leak. Like lead in the water pipe. We humans like to hide bad things. Just so you know - something no one wants to know. Like we don't emphasize 25K to 50K people died per year on the highway compared to 3000 people who died on 9/11.
@@rodneyblackwell2557 In the US contaminating and poisoning ground water with toxic chemicals in pursuit of greater profits for the shareholders is almost a national sport. Other countries are more civilized.
Yes. But also, you'll also have to pay for some permit to emit all those hydrocarbons, benzene, toluene, xylene, PM2.5, etc. Eventually it'll all be synthetically created gasoline/diesel that you pay $50+ per gallon and can only buy limited amounts at a time. Use of this fuel will essentially be limited to science, government and film industry use. I suspect there will be many "period films" depicting the ICE era that need some of that fuel for filming those live action scenes. 😆
Thanks, here in UK new vehicle sales are now in excess of 20% for EVs, so it is inevitable sales of petrol and diesel fuel will decline. Existing petrol stations will adapt and install rapid/ultra rapid chargers, they value their sales of non fuel items/mini markets, too much to close the sites.
@@mikeearussi From Inside EVs: "Shell, a major player in the oil and gas industry, announced plans to close 1,000 of its retail gas stations between 2024 and 2025. This decision is part of Shell's strategy to reallocate resources towards expanding EV charging infrastructure, aiming to install approximately 70,000 public charging points by 2025 and around 200,000 by 2030."
@@scrambaba They just opened a new gas/petrol station around the corner from my place, but I don't see any EV charging stations built anywhere in my area. EV's have a long way to go, by then there will be a new source of energy that surpasses battery technology. It won't happen sooner than you think.
Plug it in anywhere...except the big cities, where you don't have private homes with driveways. You can't run electrical cords across the public sidewalk, even if there's someplace to plug them in. Real estate for slow chargepoints will be terribly expensive.
20 years ago in the UK there was a Tanker driver strike. For a week or more there were no fuel deliveries. The country virtually stopped. If it happened today, I'd be alright, I have an ev too. I state to people over the Electric / Hydrogen / Fuel debate, the I have an EV station at my house
I wonder if the Australian government will have the infrastructure ready for this? The way they carry on in parliament like headless chickens, I highly doubt it.
The fuel costs in Norway have gone down. But not as low that it's cheaper than ccs charging. Home charging is even cheaper. The only reason why the gas stations keep their pumps, is because they need to rehabilitate the ground around the fuel tanks. This is really expensive. Energy stations, reduce the amount of pumps. But, with even less fossil cars they will struggle with the maintenance costs..... So, I think the only way is to convert to moonshine.... 😂
Once all electricity become the only source of fuel, taxes and charges will increase and cost more rhan petrol and will need 5 fold charger ports per station to keep up with demand. Electric cars will become through away items as the battery will be worth more than the car as it gets old and the resale value will be nothing.
A decline in the market share of anything leads to a reversal of economies of scale. This means products or services become increasingly expensive and less competitive, creating a downward spiral that can accelerate rapidly.
Where I live in many petrol stations have already closed when I first moved to this area 30 years ago there were at least 12 within a short drive from my house now there is only 2 left both the big super stores all the small local ones are long gone.
A n issue here in the USA is that because the owners walked away, there are three million uncapped oil wells leaking methane into the air. So, if all of the gasoline stations closed down, what will become of all of those leaky bulk tanks buried underground?
Petrol stations are heavily regulated and there are strict requirements for decommissioning. This can include environmental testing for 25 years. Methane leaks have been permitted because not enough people noticed or understood and a few bribes to politicians was cheaper than fixing them.
People in California already look for the low cost stations like Costco to fill there cars and the lines are long there often. There shutting down all the Hydrogen stations in California.
H2 cars would be a good buy if they were plug-in hybrids. You could convert it to a pure EV. You could take out the fool cell crap, maybe even sell it.
@ There's a good chance China goes this route with FCPHEVs - PHEVs using H2 instead of petrol. China is big into "green hydrogen" via electrolysis, leveraging offshore wind and/or aquatic solar farms. If China gets the technology right, they won't even need petrol for long distance driving.
We have Norwegian relatives. They have the EVs to travel into Oslo, but in the garage they've got the Peugeot petrol car for going long distance to their country pad.
I expect a lot of stations will convert to hybrid and slowly increase the number of charging points and decrease the number of gas nozzles and emphasize going into the store to purchase stuff.
You see chargers along main highways, and chargers at movie theaters, restaurants, supermarkets instead of Gulp & Blow convenience stores. You can get enough charge at a service plaza in the time you take to, ahem, stretch your legs to get you to the next service plaza. Street parkers will do their shopping and charge. I think the "gas station" business will die. They have to periodically replace their tanks and it's very expensive.
Not a great idea. Only people with home charging should buy EVs. Those without home charging are stuck with expensive and inconvenient public charging which costs more than filling with gas and takes a lot longer. Large numbers of 350kW or stronger EV chargers are however needed at highway service areas for folks on longer journeys.
@danielduggan7126 BS! Even at a Supercharger EVs are cheaper per mile than gas. And you don't always have to use a Supercharger, regular charge points are a fraction of the price if you have a bit of time.
Mikeearussi - IF you can't charge your EV because of a blackout then you can't pump petrol at a petrol station. Oh, by the way, Norway has harsh winters and still manage.
You're thinking only of Australia where most people live in single family houses. Much of the rest of the world lives in apartments where electric car charging is impossible.
I live I. Thailand and there are fights at apartment owners meetings about installing charging and who will pay for it. Where I am right now ther must be over cars parked. Impossible to charge them even if they started installing a few fast chargers. Cars are double parked and security rolls cars around to keep the place moving
@@mikeearussi 70% live in houses, however, many live in houses without driveways or off street parking/garages. The rest cannot reliably support an EV without an external charging network. So even in Australia, EV is still a big decision.
@@tedg1609 it's not about not having electricity in the apartment. This is ridiculous! How you gonna charge the car? With cable from the window? Even if one's apartment is on the first floor, the car is still way far. Almost nobody is thinking about this.
Not in Australia 100 thousands people just lost power for days in a major city. Without battery bank your stranded 4 days of rain so you have 1 charge run your fridge for 2 days or get to safety
@@victorsvoice7978they will not charge up fast and your house will drain those solar panels quick. When hail and wind damage those panels, your screwed. As will fires. Just wait, the government will start charging you for using solar panels instead of the grid.
@@markvalery8632 some had generators I I’m in the hardest hit area and we still had fuel. Ev stations were not working and a lot of holiday makes got stuck here. No internet or phone service most the chargers rely on apps to charge or pay for the charge so they were stacks of people stuck in a one way in one way out town
@@victorsvoice7978 It’s a natural disaster roofs were ripped off and 4 days of rain. Sure if you have an enormous battery system you might last that long. Depends how much money you have at the end of the day I guess
Whilst it’s true that this is likely to happen, in the UK this is not currently happening. Whilst the odd couple of flagship sites have been converted to all electric charging stations, these are more like gestures towards the future than any programme. Indeed, in the UK the fuel station market is very heated with lots of demand and brand new fuel stations still being opened. It defies expectation, but the point is it is wholly untrue to say the uk is currently seeing lots of fuel stations being closed. Demand is exceeding supply for properties.
It is a transition and people are stupid and over expectant. After all, some still open shops in high streets! Weird, as high streets are also in the process of dying out as of no use or purpose in the era of on line shopping.
And you won’t for a long time. EVs are way to expensive for what you get, Prices are off the scale for a Vehicle you won’t be able to sell in 5 years,nearly worthless by then
@ Are you joking or just not well informed? The price of EV's have come down they re competitive with gas cars. Only reason people choose gas over EV's because of range anxiety. Unfortunately where I live not that many charging stations.
This idiot is so full of shit, not happening in North America, in fact there has been a number of new gas stations being built in my area. Pure EV'S have made a very small dent in new car sales, less than 7%,the rest are all hybrids which are gas cars. With Trump as president all federal rebates on pure EV'S are ending and a road tax will be charged on pure EV'S.The same thing is happening in Canada when our new Prime Minister takes over, rebates end and a road tax will be adopted on pure EV'S.
I was waiting for the viking to tell me how many barrels of oil less we were using and of course he omitted this from his story.Doesnt suit his narrative and as the MSM does he does as well, totally unbalanced story. Thanks for info.I am assuming in the next few years as Trump drills baby drill, it will probably go up till people realize that electric is the way to go, even with cheaper fuel prices.
@Mixos_place You are welcome. Yes most likely, consumption will continue to grow because developing nations are growing their economies fast, and they don't have infrastructure to support EV charging
Just saw a report from an independent oil analyst firm saying oil reserves have been WAY over estimated and inflated, to keep consumer confidence and that actual oil reserves, as current levels, are 20-30 years, then a rapid decline. Those in the know, know EV's are the future for several reasons, one is that oil will be gone soon, and then prices will skyrocket for those who keep their oil ICE vehicle in the future.
Not true. New finds in USA, Canada alone have enough reserve to power the world for the next 80 years. And we are not even counting what's under the oceans.
@@michael.randall5034 What you say is probably true but most of this new oil is unconventional and much more expensive to extract. Deeper water/wells etc. I follow a startup that believes they can make synthetic methane (it can be reformed to higher fractions) at cheaper marginal costs than current tech. He states, correctly, that there are corner cases such as aviation, lubricants, plastics - even rockets, that aren't easily electrified so like vehicles, a hybrid approach for the entire energy infrastructure will occur. I also think that governments should be taxing FF companies right now to prepare for the vast amounts of stranded assets that will need to be cleaned up in the future.
Imagine range anxiety for petrol drivers! It’ll be a while, but it’ll be a real thing someday. Eventually they’ll stop making ICE cars just like they stopped making steam locomotives and coal powered freight liners. Can’t come soon enough. The clock is ticking…
Gas stations in North America aren't going anywhere. The Republicans and the Conservative Party of Canada will make sure their friends in the oil and gas industry will get what they want. I am all for EVs, but against government mandates on ICE cars. Let the market, car makers, and their consumers determine what sort of vehicle they wish to drive.
Re-jetting the carb for camp stove fuel is definitely a non-starter. There are still stables, there will still be some pumps too but the gas days are about done.
In the future, it may be necessary to obtain your petrol from the local Chemist. This was the case when the first cars arrived on the road in the early days of motoring.😊
Ah, you mean when the first ICE cars appeared. Manhattan was going electric in the early 1900’s with street chargers starting to appear but then in 1906(?), oil was discovered and from that point big oil has had a strangle hold on our money, health and choices.
And you could buy Pink Paraffin to put in your heater to keep warm in the blackouts of the 70s under a Labour government. Hmm, just like what's happening now in the UK with those idiots in power again!
One thing I sometimes wonder about, what if the grid goes down? Will EV charging stations have backup batteries for at least a day of charging vehicles?
Oddly they are building a new petrol station near me in the North Tyneside UK, there is an existing petrol station half a mile away, I really don't understand why.
@@jamesvandamme7786 At some point that will happen. And if the people charging have an account for plug and change there will be no credit card transaction fee to pay. Gas stations hate that.
I respect the gentlemans opinion about EVs. Take a look around on any week day at the number of vehicles traveling and then imagine they are all battery powered. It is not realistic or practical for many reasons. Given the careless nature of most drivers and their need to be entertained while driving, it will be a disaster. If saving the planet is the reason for battery powered cars, then why are they loaded with electronics that draw from the battery. Why not basic transportation, manual windows,locks,no AC and no electronics other than a heater, headlights and wipers. You are trying to save the planet, not be entertained. The whole world runs on oil and always will in some form or another.
Here in California, the transition is dramatic. The gasoline stations are all but gone and replaced by stores selling lottery tickets and beer. The state has installed a monitoring system in my house that identifies if I am charging an EV and increases the energy costs 3 times to offset the lost revenue on gasoline taxes. I have no problem with this since I am now a "Gold Star" citizen on the state's monitoring system and get discounts on lottery tickets!
@@ABa-os6wm Nope, 100% true. And you wouldn't believe how the air is cleaner, the roads are less crowded, and people are generally much happier due to the beer and winning the lottery!
I wonder about how much of that is consolidation. I live in Texas and the number of local 2 or 4 pump neighborhood convenience locations have plummeted replaced by 12+ pump locations. Pump count might be more accurate.
Imagine having an oil cracking plant in your garage. You could get hold of a small one and make a gallon or two of fuel along with other chemicals no one wants.
My only costs really is the fuel, road tax and insurance is cheap enough, the car is nearly 30 years old and runs better than new cars, no engine light, no breakdowns. It does not make sense to lay out 50k to buy a new electric car.
I left the Petrol and Convenience industry in 2019 as I believe there would be no future in it by the mid 2030s. I didn't want to be an Analyst in my 50s being in an obsolete industry, having its Kodak moment. You have to know when to move on. At least now I'm working in an industry (gardening) which will still be relevant in my lifetime.
In the Western U.S, there are very few "gas stations" but there are a lot of convenience stores/car washes that have gas dispenses, ethanol (E85) dispensers, and diesel dispensers. As demand goes down, dispensers will be replaced with EV charging. I assume that people that travel a lot will still need a place to urinate and freshen up.
If you put all the eggs in one basket, and you drop it, the eggs will break. Never put all the eggs in one basket. By doing so, you become vulnerable. To rely on electricity generated power only is wrong for many reasons.
Interesting, I live in a coastal town (not city) and we have 2 new petrol stations with 14 pumps . Now we have more competition and the lowest prices on the East Coast.
I’ve been interested in how this might play out for a while and I’m sure there are comparisons with Norway that could be demonstrated such as the rate of closure/conversion overlayed on the rate of take-up. At a simplistic level we can expect a reversal of the charge point roll out as profitability drops, oil companies rationalize their infrastructure and ultimately the density of stations drops. There was a story last year where Sainsbury’s supermarket revised their development plans for the forecourts and moved from a mix of fuels to electric only . I’m not sure how far construction has got though. To my mind ICE owners can expect to have to travel further, make special trips or fuel up towards the end of journey’s. I expect the government will require petrol/diesel to be available to travelers on the strategic network but at what cost? I took my electric camper from the UK to Denmark last summer which went fine as far as charging goes and in Denmark we did use a charger at our destination that was a converted pump point in a petrol station. Norway is our target for a couple of years time and can’t wait.
They will sell a lot more coffee. This should be added to the cost of owning an EV. I ask EV owners if they include the cist of coffee while charging and they laugh
The vehicle landscape will change in ways few understand. That will be a country-by-country dynamic. Here in NZ unmanned ICE fuel points are popping up everywhere. These are on predominantly arterial roads. Electric energy will only get more expensive. Every solar install robs the energy companies of a customer and adds to its network balancing costs. The UK just experienced its first near miss rolling blackout as wind failed for days on end. The so called green energy narrative cannot function without substantial alternative standby energy production like nuclear, gas, geothermal or coal. That kind of backup makes the green cost structure extremely expensive. Add to that 1000's of roof top solar systems and you now have to install expensive grid balancing infrastructure. All the BS about solar being cheaper conveniently leaves out the grid costs and backup costs to paint a rosy picture.
@@Brian-om2hh When you are away from home on a trip, or if you don't have a charging point at home, which I can't imaging everyone will have, so for the masses you will need somewhere to charge and it might as well be in a shopping centre car park.
Its difficult to say, you would think that the price would fall but what will probably happen is the complete opposite, fuel production has a fixed cost that is increasing year over year, extraction, refining transportation etc all costs money, the suppliers need to make enough money to pay these costs, if they cannot they will either have to find somewhere to cuts costs (such as closing fuelling stations) or increase costs. Right now fuel sales are enough to run a profitable company but as sales fall and operating costs rise the companies will have to make choices It will probably be fuel price just gets higher and higher until nobody will pay or close down fuel stations until your nearest one is just too far away.
My thought too. Crude is a 'marginally priced' commodity and as such lower demand for oil should mean bulk price should fall and only low cost producers be able to survive with high cost oil sources like the Oil sands in Canada becoming unprofitable. But there is a big inertial effect and overall demand is just starting to fall and the cartels have so far been able to enforce production reductions on their members. It will be interesting to see what happens when the bottom falls out of demand. My guess is that too many African dictators are going to still need their money fix to comply with the demands of the Saudi's and there will be lots of black market sales going on. The retail price is a version of the same story. Will there be true competitive pricing between refiners or will they secretly collude to restrict gas supply? If they do with extortion level high prices, the turn to electric will become a stampede, and gas may become a boutique commodity only available in very rare gas stations to fuel your relic or antique car.
The price of oil is already falling, due to slowing demand and forward-looking estimates showing no reversal. The biggest buyer and growth of oil was China, but China hit Peak Oil in 2023. China is still importing a lot of oil for industrial use (plastics, lubricants), but road use is dropping fast. By 2030, Chinese oil consumption will be in clear net decline as industrial growth stops compensating for road use, and global use starts to pinch from Chinese NEV exports.
Greetings from Texas. I keep seeing O&G companies (Exxon, Shell, etc.) building new gas stations, often across the street from each other. How long is this going to last?
I don’t understand the surge in EV , I live on a road that has 60 houses and over 80 cars/ vans 5 of them are EV and that is only because they are company cars
Depends where you live. In the US gas is relatively cheap and EV's relatively expensive. Once EV's reach parity or below with the cost of an ICE... within a year or two at most... and other factors already there, like longevity and lower cost per mile are added in ICE vehicles are going to effectively done for day to day consumers.
Hi from the UK. We are able to charge at home so on our tiny little rock of the East coast of Europe a range of 300 miles is plenty so public charging is not our thing but some networks like Tesla and Fastned do give very competitive prices over here.
Gas stations will not be completely phased out for a long time. If you dig into sales statistics, you will see hybrid sales growing faster than pure EV sales in most markets. Even the Chinese manufacturers have been putting more money and research into hybrid technology.
This would be great for electricity supply. The petrol industry is a heavy user of electricity which means the demand should not spike too much leading to higher prices.
If you want to fly thru the air, you have to make gasoline. Almost one to one. The supply of fuel oils is in rough balance now. what will you do with all that gasoline in the near future?
Where I live I expect we are just 2-3 years away from lots of stations going out of business. Long term stations probably just on highways. Or home delivery for people with classic cars.
True but the easiest way for gas stations to close would be expensive gasoline. There's still plenty of gas stations in norway even though most sales are electric
Currently in my state we pay federal and state taxes on fuel. If everything goes EV how is the federal government going to replace the missing federal gas tax money?
Most of this stuff is delusional “wish-think” from a zealot. Reality is a cruel master…and this chap is in for a rude awakening when he walks outside and speaks to real people living real lives.
So how does that go for the large percentage of population who live in units with car parks with no or inadequate chargers or like me, houses without driveways. You’re right, they will disappear but extremely slowly in Australia. It is still a long way from its tipping point. I for one would like but won’t consider an EV due to the inadequate charging network. I live in the Inner West of Sydney! I have a hybrid and right now, that works well for me.
Lamp posts with hanging wires. Grocery stores, places of work. Ultimately won't need a car. Self driving Tesla app will be times cheaper than parking/insuring/maintaining your own car
@ I would want to run an EV off my rooftop solar until I can be sure that renewable sources of power are assured. Otherwise it’s hypocritical to run an EV of power generated by burning fossil fuels.
Most Garages are now mini to average size supermarkets and make very little profit from fuel anyway. The profits are from goods and foods. My local garage has a cafe with food counter and coffee dispenser, a butchers, a frozen food section and a post office all within its walls. Also the UK needs to up its game in supply of electricity. The last cold snap in January 2025 with snow and -0C seen almost grid down blackouts one night. The wind wasn't blowing for the wind turbines and there was no sun for solar obviously. They had to import gas from abroad to keep the turbines going as their storage supply is so low. A lot of EVs and home battery storage units are plugged in at night to get the cheap night time tariffs and will suck the grid dry under such conditions, especially as they become more and more popular.
Like electricity will get cheaper in future :D current grids in any country are having issues at this lvl, imagine if everybody got an EV. It will get really expensive really quick
And petrol stayed nice and cheap as more people got ICE cars, did it? The electricity I get from my solar panels isn't any more costly than it was 5 years ago. The cost of sunshine hasn't increased in millions of years.....
@@Brian-om2hh I like to watch this cannel for EV news, have nothing against EV, but he has to say the negatives also. Petrol is currently better in many things, its more energy density, it is easier to store it, it doesn't deflate as battery charge. But that is not so important because batteries will probably get better over time. I was just stating that there is no way to switch fast to EVs as main source of transportation, we simply don't have infrastructure. You can look at your monthly electricity bill and check out how much you used kWh currently. Your neighbours probably have cars too (maybe one or two). Imagine if they all charged how much is that extra power consumption. Imagine fluctuations on grid system, it has to match production with currently spending to mitigate loss. Also panels are expensive, and how much do you need to charge you car or two, its a lot, you would probably charge it for days (at least 15 panels or more). If electric energy was cheap we would use it for home heating. In future when demand for it skyrockets it will only get more expensive. Panels are kind cheap now because China is selling them under price to crush competition. Again that is my guess but we will see what it brings. In my country the more electric energy you spend the kWh is more expensive, like green is 400, yellow is 1200 kWh, and above is most pricy. I mean we can probably take average daily consumption of petrol in one specific state now and convert that energy to electric to calculate how much more we need, then check what is maximum electricity production now. I know my country cannot do it, it is buying for others during winter and in peak summer heat because of ACs.
We will be charging 99% at home. We bought an EV last October, and till today, we have never supercharged. In 3 months almost 5.000km and always charged overnight at home.
Now that a pro fossil fuels administration and party has come into power in 🇺🇸 i will try to use as little as possible. I will be mostly using my e bike whenever possible
Most of those houses do not have 3 phase and the network cannot support the load on the street conductors on single phase conductors if every one came home and plugged their EV into the grid at peak load times. Most EV owners are in big cities and those charging points still need electrical energy from the grid as not all units have access to a solar system. Wind and solar are weather dependent. You need base load generation and that unfortunately is the way it is.
Here in Chicago, one local news station is freaking everyone out with interviews with Tesla owners stating how the upcoming Zero weather is going to cause them to lose range and flat out brick in cold weather.
The way things like this work is that news organizations contact a huge number of Tesla owners (or whatever group) and ask questions to weed out the ones that won’t say what they want them to say.
Here in the USA, EVs are a minuscule % of the fleet. We have terrible choices compared to, well, everywhere else. So, bigger Buc-ees until Detroit gets into the EV act
What happened to bio, fules like biodiesel an gas made from biomase, in US made from vegetation are used in township on lawn mowers an such was a big deal a few years ago 😮
Does anyone know what Sam said at the beginning ? Was he implying that you can charge your EV from a normal house electric point without a charging box .
Eventually prices will go up but won't the price of gas go down initially? Economies of scale and infrastrure has already been built. Wouldn'y a hlut of supply lead to lower prices initially?
In 2024 there were just under 100K EVs sold in Australia and 1.14 million combustion vehicles (of any type including hybrids). Let us generously assume that 2025 is the year that 100% of new car sales are EVs. Some may consider this a brave assumption given there was minimal increase between 2023 and 2024. But let's be brave. There are 21.5 million vehicles on the road. Let's call it 20 million to make it a bit easier to achieve. A few more assumptions. Let's imagine the cost of living crisis is solved and we double the new car sales this year. Dealers and importers somehow make that work. So let's assume 3 million EVs a year from 2025. Let's also assume that from 2025 onwards, the only write offs or otherwise scrapped are combustion vehicles. We'll also assume despite record levels of immigration in 2024, it drops to 0 in 2025 meaning all those new EVs can replace existing combustion vehicles. Now the math 20 million vehicles/3 million vehicles per year replaced would still require 7 years. There is literally zero risk of not finding a gas station in the near future even with absurdly optimistic assumptions. This is the sort of question that might make more sense to ask when buying a new car in 2035 than 2025.
Haven‘t been in Norway for 20y, but what i have seen in Denmark is…there just a few petrol stations with staff left, the rest are automatic filling stations. Denmark is far behind Norway but switching to EVs quickly now.
You do that when you're ready, we'll all be here watching to see how that goes... make us envious, troll us for driving ICE in our polluted cities if needed!... haha
The power grid in the UK is years (probably tens of years, as the investment isn't worth it) away from being ready to service the number of charging stations required for full EV take up. The number of fuel stations also reduces as ICE vehicles become more efficient, so a lot less fill-ups required for the same mileage.
My brother lives on a farm. The nearest petrol station is 30 klms away. His nearest power outlet is in his shed. His source of power is on his roof.
@@markumbers5362 soon a big tech company will own his farm
It's very similar to me. The gas station I used when I still had my diesel closed a few weeks ago. The next one is inside the nearest town, driving there would be easily a hour with fueling, while charging at home takes only a few seconds.
So why should I pay more to get the worse experience?
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What happens in a storm when your roof. Is damaged. How are you going get parts. ? You’re stuck with no power phone coverage. 1 Jerry can of desial gets me 400 km You’ll still be trying to log on to your app to charge.
No one ever had a gas station at home, so it very east to work out that you always have enough to cover the 30km, I am 6 kilometres but you don’t run out. Ever..
Not only gas/petrol stations closing, but service stations too, as ev's are not nearly as maintenance-repair hungry as gas burners.
So how much is it to replace your EV batteries?? Or if you trade it after 4 years you get very small money for it.
@@johnmurphy9304how much to replace an engine, it's very expensive and at least 40% of the price of the new car even when it is refurbished, my brother just did that with a 6 year old car!
EV batteries will work for at least 8 years and most likely double that, no reason to trade it in
@@johnmurphy9304 batteries are about to last a million kilometers. so, much better than ice's.
@@eyeh8theleft seems the complexities switch. ICEs have the complex engine but simple power source. EVs have the simple engine but complex power source and systems.
Petrol stations will be replaced by Car Sales dealers and loan sharks as the life expectancy for EV is about 4 years. ICE can easily go for 25+ years.
The situation in the UK is more granular than you imply. Shell shut down my local 8-pump filling station two years ago for refurbishment. It reopened with just 4 pumps and 9 chargepoints
On top of this, shopping places of various sorts will add more and more. Making a stop just to refuel will become more and more obsolete. I already see plenty of chargers at Walmart and surviving shopping malls. Who would want to make a stop at a gas station to recharge? I can see why a few gas stations have added chargers, but I don't think that will work in most places. Maybe on interstate highways they make sense at rest stops, but that's about it.
@@nigelhudson1948 Shell should have low charge point prices. They need to make an EV utopia for all.
When people tried to change their EV, the garage wouldn’t take the EV…..Ireland
Almost 9 minutes of total bollocks 😅
Shell Recharge are very useful though. Happy to pay a premium to not get stuck in the charging dead zones on the M4 going west out of London
In my country, Sweden, number of petrol stations started to decrease decades ago, especially in rural areas. Some reasons was economical and also stricter regulations. Risks of fuel leaks harming ground water. In rural districts, adding fast charge points is not easy due to limitations in the power grid.
I have lived in many many countries and never heard of fuel leaks from stations contaminating the water table. Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's likely and why ban fueling stations.
@@rodneyblackwell2557 In the US ground tanks by law can only be made by plastic material and not by steel. This law was passed in the 90's since metal tanks leak as they age.
@@rodneyblackwell2557 I am sure we won't hear about it if they leak. Like lead in the water pipe. We humans like to hide bad things. Just so you know - something no one wants to know. Like we don't emphasize 25K to 50K people died per year on the highway compared to 3000 people who died on 9/11.
@@rodneyblackwell2557 In the US contaminating and poisoning ground water with toxic chemicals in pursuit of greater profits for the shareholders is almost a national sport. Other countries are more civilized.
Decades ago!! And still they are here… EV will be long gone before fuel… 😂😂
Will revert back to the "good old days" where you bought gasoline at the drugstore (chemist).
Yes. But also, you'll also have to pay for some permit to emit all those hydrocarbons, benzene, toluene, xylene, PM2.5, etc. Eventually it'll all be synthetically created gasoline/diesel that you pay $50+ per gallon and can only buy limited amounts at a time.
Use of this fuel will essentially be limited to science, government and film industry use. I suspect there will be many "period films" depicting the ICE era that need some of that fuel for filming those live action scenes. 😆
Thanks, here in UK new vehicle sales are now in excess of 20% for EVs, so it is inevitable sales of petrol and diesel fuel will decline.
Existing petrol stations will adapt and install rapid/ultra rapid chargers, they value their sales of non fuel items/mini markets, too much to close the sites.
Gas Stations : stranded assets
Not in the U.S. I haven't heard of a single gas station closing because of electric cars.
@@mikeearussidon‘t worry, it‘s coming. And sooner than you think.
@@mikeearussi From Inside EVs: "Shell, a major player in the oil and gas industry, announced plans to close 1,000 of its retail gas stations between 2024 and 2025. This decision is part of Shell's strategy to reallocate resources towards expanding EV charging infrastructure, aiming to install approximately 70,000 public charging points by 2025 and around 200,000 by 2030."
@@mikeearussi luck you, soon they will ban all EVs, and the benevolent fuel companies will say thanks for your support here is some cheap/fuel 😄
@@scrambaba They just opened a new gas/petrol station around the corner from my place, but I don't see any EV charging stations built anywhere in my area. EV's have a long way to go, by then there will be a new source of energy that surpasses battery technology. It won't happen sooner than you think.
Plug it in anywhere...except the big cities, where you don't have private homes with driveways. You can't run electrical cords across the public sidewalk, even if there's someplace to plug them in.
Real estate for slow chargepoints will be terribly expensive.
Many people will stop wasting money owning cars and use robo taxis
@ You must live in a city where they've legalized marijuana and you're a frequent user.
20 years ago in the UK there was a Tanker driver strike. For a week or more there were no fuel deliveries. The country virtually stopped. If it happened today, I'd be alright, I have an ev too.
I state to people over the Electric / Hydrogen / Fuel debate, the I have an EV station at my house
You can say the same about an Electricity blackout……
@@johnmurphy9304 EVs have batteries, you know.... Only a tiny minority are on small battery EVs
You truly are amazing and an ambassador of greatness
@@johnmurphy9304 If there is an electricity blackout, fuel cars can't get fuel. A house with solar panels and a house battery can still charge a car.
or just a low level river during a drought, so inland vessel tanker stop delivery
"Experts say" Norway has become such a wealthy country on the back of oil exports. You better tell them they are about to become a banana Republic.😂
There will be years of oil use to keep them in business. Gee, I feel sorry for Russia though.
I wonder if the Australian government will have the infrastructure ready for this? The way they carry on in parliament like headless chickens, I highly doubt it.
The fuel costs in Norway have gone down. But not as low that it's cheaper than ccs charging. Home charging is even cheaper.
The only reason why the gas stations keep their pumps, is because they need to rehabilitate the ground around the fuel tanks.
This is really expensive.
Energy stations, reduce the amount of pumps. But, with even less fossil cars they will struggle with the maintenance costs.....
So, I think the only way is to convert to moonshine.... 😂
Once all electricity become the only source of fuel, taxes and charges will increase and cost more rhan petrol and will need 5 fold charger ports per station to keep up with demand. Electric cars will become through away items as the battery will be worth more than the car as it gets old and the resale value will be nothing.
We're seeing 10 year old electric cars now, and they're still worth something......
A decline in the market share of anything leads to a reversal of economies of scale. This means products or services become increasingly expensive and less competitive, creating a downward spiral that can accelerate rapidly.
It will be 'economic' reasons that convince people.
Yep. Here in the US when ICE cars are $50,000 and EVs are $25,000 it will be a No-Brainer.
Where I live in many petrol stations have already closed when I first moved to this area 30 years ago there were at least 12 within a short drive from my house now there is only 2 left both the big super stores all the small local ones are long gone.
In Switzerland I barely see any EVs.
In rural NY it's only 1% or so, but I've walked past several in a parking lot and not noticed. Bolts look like any other ugly Chevy.
A n issue here in the USA is that because the owners walked away, there are three million uncapped oil wells leaking methane into the air. So, if all of the gasoline stations closed down, what will become of all of those leaky bulk tanks buried underground?
Petrol stations are heavily regulated and there are strict requirements for decommissioning. This can include environmental testing for 25 years. Methane leaks have been permitted because not enough people noticed or understood and a few bribes to politicians was cheaper than fixing them.
My state requires that if you close the gas station, you have to dig the tanks up. I don't now who pays for this on a failed business.
The real estate is still there so the tanks will be removed and the property will become something else. It is a non-issue.
Dream on..
People in California already look for the low cost stations like Costco to fill there cars and the lines are long there often. There shutting down all the Hydrogen stations in California.
The closure of H2 stations is why the Toyota Mirai is so cheap, and comes with a free fuel card. Good luck using it!
H2 cars would be a good buy if they were plug-in hybrids. You could convert it to a pure EV. You could take out the fool cell crap, maybe even sell it.
@ There's a good chance China goes this route with FCPHEVs - PHEVs using H2 instead of petrol. China is big into "green hydrogen" via electrolysis, leveraging offshore wind and/or aquatic solar farms. If China gets the technology right, they won't even need petrol for long distance driving.
We have Norwegian relatives. They have the EVs to travel into Oslo, but in the garage they've got the Peugeot petrol car for going long distance to their country pad.
Sooner, rather than later, the Peugeot can be replaced with a BEV when a solar charger is installed at your pad.
@petergersbach7355 they're architects so no doubt this will come.
I expect a lot of stations will convert to hybrid and slowly increase the number of charging points and decrease the number of gas nozzles and emphasize going into the store to purchase stuff.
I just did a road trip to the far north of nz and found electric chargers at all the petrol stations
@@zackzen if Burger King or Sainsburys adds 30 fast chargers how does BP compete ⛽️ ?
You’ll charge at Home mostly !
You see chargers along main highways, and chargers at movie theaters, restaurants, supermarkets instead of Gulp & Blow convenience stores. You can get enough charge at a service plaza in the time you take to, ahem, stretch your legs to get you to the next service plaza. Street parkers will do their shopping and charge. I think the "gas station" business will die. They have to periodically replace their tanks and it's very expensive.
Seriously, the best way to raise EV adoption in America is for 7-11 to build stores with EV charging points outside instead of fuel pumps.
Not a great idea. Only people with home charging should buy EVs. Those without home charging are stuck with expensive and inconvenient public charging which costs more than filling with gas and takes a lot longer. Large numbers of 350kW or stronger EV chargers are however needed at highway service areas for folks on longer journeys.
@danielduggan7126 BS!
Even at a Supercharger EVs are cheaper per mile than gas.
And you don't always have to use a Supercharger, regular charge points are a fraction of the price if you have a bit of time.
Holy thirst Batman! Forget the gas. Where am I going to get my SUPER CHERRY slushy?
I think they are selling them at the dialysis clinic now.
@@tedg1609 Without the Red #3 dye.
Its health benefits alone, one would think, should be enough to convince people.
Not if you can't charge it or if it doesn't work in the winter. Sam always talks from the Australian point of view which doesn't have a harsh winter.
Mikeearussi - IF you can't charge your EV because of a blackout then you can't pump petrol at a petrol station. Oh, by the way, Norway has harsh winters and still manage.
EVs are an advantage in the winter, and also in a "blackout".
What health benefits? Short sighted folks don't realise just how much worse EVs are for the globe, not just your cushy little privileged city!
@@ABa-os6wm You'll find plenty of people who don't understand that, citing "common sense".
You're thinking only of Australia where most people live in single family houses. Much of the rest of the world lives in apartments where electric car charging is impossible.
I live I. Thailand and there are fights at apartment owners meetings about installing charging and who will pay for it. Where I am right now ther must be over cars parked. Impossible to charge them even if they started installing a few fast chargers. Cars are double parked and security rolls cars around to keep the place moving
How is it impossible to have electricity in an apartment. Where do you live ?
@@mikeearussi 70% live in houses, however, many live in houses without driveways or off street parking/garages. The rest cannot reliably support an EV without an external charging network. So even in Australia, EV is still a big decision.
@@tedg1609 If you live in a 3rd floor apartment are you going to run an extension down three flights of stairs to charge your car?
@@tedg1609 it's not about not having electricity in the apartment. This is ridiculous!
How you gonna charge the car? With cable from the window? Even if one's apartment is on the first floor, the car is still way far.
Almost nobody is thinking about this.
Not in Australia 100 thousands people just lost power for days in a major city. Without battery bank your stranded 4 days of rain so you have 1 charge run your fridge for 2 days or get to safety
Then they also lost power at the gas stations and could not fill up there cars.
Use solar energy and battery storage systems. Then you don't depend on the grid power.
@@victorsvoice7978they will not charge up fast and your house will drain those solar panels quick. When hail and wind damage those panels, your screwed. As will fires. Just wait, the government will start charging you for using solar panels instead of the grid.
@@markvalery8632 some had generators I I’m in the hardest hit area and we still had fuel. Ev stations were not working and a lot of holiday makes got stuck here. No internet or phone service most the chargers rely on apps to charge or pay for the charge so they were stacks of people stuck in a one way in one way out town
@@victorsvoice7978 It’s a natural disaster roofs were ripped off and 4 days of rain. Sure if you have an enormous battery system you might last that long. Depends how much money you have at the end of the day I guess
Whilst it’s true that this is likely to happen, in the UK this is not currently happening. Whilst the odd couple of flagship sites have been converted to all electric charging stations, these are more like gestures towards the future than any programme. Indeed, in the UK the fuel station market is very heated with lots of demand and brand new fuel stations still being opened. It defies expectation, but the point is it is wholly untrue to say the uk is currently seeing lots of fuel stations being closed. Demand is exceeding supply for properties.
It is a transition and people are stupid and over expectant. After all, some still open shops in high streets! Weird, as high streets are also in the process of dying out as of no use or purpose in the era of on line shopping.
Here in the US where I live there is a gas station almost every block. I haven't seen any close down yet.
Do you live in a refinery ?
@@tedg1609 Suburbs.
And you won’t for a long time. EVs are way to expensive for what you get, Prices are off the scale for a Vehicle you won’t be able to sell in 5 years,nearly worthless by then
@ Are you joking or just not well informed? The price of EV's have come down they re competitive with gas cars. Only reason people choose gas over EV's because of range anxiety. Unfortunately where I live not that many charging stations.
@@johnmurphy9304 Funny, when I'm looking for a used EV there are few to be found and they don't "give them away" like the anti-EV crowd says.
This idiot is so full of shit, not happening in North America, in fact there has been a number of new gas stations being built in my area. Pure EV'S have made a very small dent in new car sales, less than 7%,the rest are all hybrids which are gas cars. With Trump as president all federal rebates on pure EV'S are ending and a road tax will be charged on pure EV'S.The same thing is happening in Canada when our new Prime Minister takes over, rebates end and a road tax will be adopted on pure EV'S.
North America is not the whole world and enjoy trump while you can. He won’t last forever.
Are you sure?
Demand in million barrels per day worldwide
2024* 104.46 (not final number)
2023 102.21
2022 99.57
2021 97.08
2020 91.19
2019 100.27
2018 99.07
2017 97.67
2016 95.7
2015 94.2
2014 92
2013 91.1
2012 89.1
Sam is over dramatising the situation as usual, EV owners are having trouble charging now.
I was waiting for the viking to tell me how many barrels of oil less we were using and of course he omitted this from his story.Doesnt suit his narrative and as the MSM does he does as well, totally unbalanced story.
Thanks for info.I am assuming in the next few years as Trump drills baby drill, it will probably go up till people realize that electric is the way to go, even with cheaper fuel prices.
@Mixos_place You are welcome. Yes most likely, consumption will continue to grow because developing nations are growing their economies fast, and they don't have infrastructure to support EV charging
In Australia I expect in many areas the Council will have to run a petrol bowser.
Thank you.
"Experts are warning" 🤣
So you're unable to understand the cognitive dissonance that is preventing you from seeing what's happening. Dinosaur
Yes they are warning that electricity prices will skyrocket
@@NebraskaWriter
Did you use CHAT for that insult.
Or you we're able to come up with that all by yourself.
@@NebraskaWriter Fossil fuel fans love their low-effort posts with lots of emojis.
Just saw a report from an independent oil analyst firm saying oil reserves have been WAY over estimated and inflated, to keep consumer confidence and that actual oil reserves, as current levels, are 20-30 years, then a rapid decline. Those in the know, know EV's are the future for several reasons, one is that oil will be gone soon, and then prices will skyrocket for those who keep their oil ICE vehicle in the future.
there is 100s of years of oils to be discovered. You need it for lubrication and manufacture of plastics and virtually everything.
Not true. New finds in USA, Canada alone have enough reserve to power the world for the next 80 years. And we are not even counting what's under the oceans.
Who knows what is real anymore with the BS spinners in all forms of media.
Oil reserves depend on the oil price. Low oil prices means low reserves.
@@michael.randall5034 What you say is probably true but most of this new oil is unconventional and much more expensive to extract. Deeper water/wells etc. I follow a startup that believes they can make synthetic methane (it can be reformed to higher fractions) at cheaper marginal costs than current tech. He states, correctly, that there are corner cases such as aviation, lubricants, plastics - even rockets, that aren't easily electrified so like vehicles, a hybrid approach for the entire energy infrastructure will occur. I also think that governments should be taxing FF companies right now to prepare for the vast amounts of stranded assets that will need to be cleaned up in the future.
Imagine range anxiety for petrol drivers! It’ll be a while, but it’ll be a real thing someday. Eventually they’ll stop making ICE cars just like they stopped making steam locomotives and coal powered freight liners. Can’t come soon enough. The clock is ticking…
Pure ICE cars will disappear, replaced by PHEVs and EREVs.
Gas stations in North America aren't going anywhere.
The Republicans and the Conservative Party of Canada will make sure their friends in the oil and gas industry will get what they want.
I am all for EVs, but against government mandates on ICE cars. Let the market, car makers, and their consumers determine what sort of vehicle they wish to drive.
Not yet!
North America will become irrelevant in the world, some may think not.
You're a bit naive if you think gas stations won't go anywhere when most people have switched to EVs in 20 years.
Blue skies ashing on me, nothing but blue skies is all I'll see.
in 2050, you will have to use your EV to get a 5 gallons of gas for your ICE car!
Haha funny.
In 2050, gallons of gas will be available to museums, like you can do a sightseeing tour with a steam locomotive burning coal today.
Re-jetting the carb for camp stove fuel is definitely a non-starter. There are still stables, there will still be some pumps too but the gas days are about done.
In the future, it may be necessary to obtain your petrol from the local Chemist. This was the case when the first cars arrived on the road in the early days of motoring.😊
Amazon will no doubt get into it.
Ah, you mean when the first ICE cars appeared. Manhattan was going electric in the early 1900’s with street chargers starting to appear but then in 1906(?), oil was discovered and from that point big oil has had a strangle hold on our money, health and choices.
@@ronmorris1191 in the future you will have to pay enormous electricity prices
And you could buy Pink Paraffin to put in your heater to keep warm in the blackouts of the 70s under a Labour government. Hmm, just like what's happening now in the UK with those idiots in power again!
It could also be that it’s cheaper. If there is less demand for fuel the companies could have a price war.
One thing I sometimes wonder about, what if the grid goes down? Will EV charging stations have backup batteries for at least a day of charging vehicles?
Availability is not going to be the worst of it, wait till they see the price.
Oddly they are building a new petrol station near me in the North Tyneside UK, there is an existing petrol station half a mile away, I really don't understand why.
Neither do I, with sales volumes of petrol already showing signs of decreasing......
The business model for stations is not based on gas sales. All the profit comes from the store.
If they put in chargers, they can be a revenue source besides an attractant to the convenience store.
@@jamesvandamme7786 At some point that will happen. And if the people charging have an account for plug and change there will be no credit card transaction fee to pay. Gas stations hate that.
Petrol stations will just become 7-11s.
Interesting because in my City there’s been a number of new Petrol Stations that have been built in the past couple of years
I respect the gentlemans opinion about EVs. Take a look around on any week day at the number of vehicles traveling and then imagine they are all battery powered. It is not realistic or practical for many reasons. Given the careless nature of most drivers and their need to be entertained while driving, it will be a disaster. If saving the planet is the reason for battery powered cars, then why are they loaded with electronics that draw from the battery. Why not basic transportation, manual windows,locks,no AC and no electronics other than a heater, headlights and wipers. You are trying to save the planet, not be entertained. The whole world runs on oil and always will in some form or another.
Here in California, the transition is dramatic. The gasoline stations are all but gone and replaced by stores selling lottery tickets and beer. The state has installed a monitoring system in my house that identifies if I am charging an EV and increases the energy costs 3 times to offset the lost revenue on gasoline taxes. I have no problem with this since I am now a "Gold Star" citizen on the state's monitoring system and get discounts on lottery tickets!
Goodness you are one of their sheep. Soon running EVs will not be cheaper, but more expensive to buy and maintain the batteries.
😢
@@ronpatrick9836 ha ha.
Yeah, man. Sounds like you're talking shit again, just like your new president......
That is b.s.
@@ABa-os6wm Nope, 100% true. And you wouldn't believe how the air is cleaner, the roads are less crowded, and people are generally much happier due to the beer and winning the lottery!
I wonder about how much of that is consolidation. I live in Texas and the number of local 2 or 4 pump neighborhood convenience locations have plummeted replaced by 12+ pump locations. Pump count might be more accurate.
Imagine having an oil cracking plant in your garage. You could get hold of a small one and make a gallon or two of fuel along with other chemicals no one wants.
You could pave your driveway the dregs. All you need is an oil well in the backyard.
Not to mention it’s possible to keep large amounts of fuel long periods of time you can’t store 20 tanks worth of batteries in your shed
Many people are using the Sun.
@ we have had 200 mill of rain there is no sun. No power no phone coverage no water no charge your car without those things
My only costs really is the fuel, road tax and insurance is cheap enough, the car is nearly 30 years old and runs better than new cars, no engine light, no breakdowns.
It does not make sense to lay out 50k to buy a new electric car.
So don't. Buy a decent used EV for a 10th of that amount....
I left the Petrol and Convenience industry in 2019 as I believe there would be no future in it by the mid 2030s.
I didn't want to be an Analyst in my 50s being in an obsolete industry, having its Kodak moment. You have to know when to move on.
At least now I'm working in an industry (gardening) which will still be relevant in my lifetime.
There is no EV surge…
In the Western U.S, there are very few "gas stations" but there are a lot of convenience stores/car washes that have gas dispenses, ethanol (E85) dispensers, and diesel dispensers. As demand goes down, dispensers will be replaced with EV charging. I assume that people that travel a lot will still need a place to urinate and freshen up.
If you put all the eggs in one basket, and you drop it, the eggs will break. Never put all the eggs in one basket. By doing so, you become vulnerable. To rely on electricity generated power only is wrong for many reasons.
Interesting, I live in a coastal town (not city) and we have 2 new petrol stations with 14 pumps . Now we have more competition and the lowest prices on the East Coast.
I’ve been interested in how this might play out for a while and I’m sure there are comparisons with Norway that could be demonstrated such as the rate of closure/conversion overlayed on the rate of take-up. At a simplistic level we can expect a reversal of the charge point roll out as profitability drops, oil companies rationalize their infrastructure and ultimately the density of stations drops. There was a story last year where Sainsbury’s supermarket revised their development plans for the forecourts and moved from a mix of fuels to electric only . I’m not sure how far construction has got though. To my mind ICE owners can expect to have to travel further, make special trips or fuel up towards the end of journey’s. I expect the government will require petrol/diesel to be available to travelers on the strategic network but at what cost? I took my electric camper from the UK to Denmark last summer which went fine as far as charging goes and in Denmark we did use a charger at our destination that was a converted pump point in a petrol station. Norway is our target for a couple of years time and can’t wait.
OR, it could be that stations will have both gas and electric choices. and gradually phase out gas as the demand disappears.
Gas stations have already started adding chargers to bring traffic to their convenience stores
They will sell a lot more coffee. This should be added to the cost of owning an EV. I ask EV owners if they include the cist of coffee while charging and they laugh
As we speak, Thousands of New Gas and Diesel Stations are being built in the U.S.A . .. they must know something you Dont
The vehicle landscape will change in ways few understand. That will be a country-by-country dynamic. Here in NZ unmanned ICE fuel points are popping up everywhere. These are on predominantly arterial roads. Electric energy will only get more expensive. Every solar install robs the energy companies of a customer and adds to its network balancing costs. The UK just experienced its first near miss rolling blackout as wind failed for days on end. The so called green energy narrative cannot function without substantial alternative standby energy production like nuclear, gas, geothermal or coal. That kind of backup makes the green cost structure extremely expensive. Add to that 1000's of roof top solar systems and you now have to install expensive grid balancing infrastructure. All the BS about solar being cheaper conveniently leaves out the grid costs and backup costs to paint a rosy picture.
Charging points at shopping centres would be the best option as you can go pick up groceries while waiting for your car to charge.
@@iamspock but most of the chargers are down😭😓😭
No, charging at home through the night is the best and most convenient option, because it usually costs around a 10th of the cost of public charging.
@@Brian-om2hh When you are away from home on a trip, or if you don't have a charging point at home, which I can't imaging everyone will have, so for the masses you will need somewhere to charge and it might as well be in a shopping centre car park.
Very rarely available when you need it though
as the demand for oil drops it would seem that the price would tend to drop especially when China goes fully electric.
Not necessarily. As oil demand drops the cost of production and refining will tend to rise as the supply chain shrinks.
Its difficult to say, you would think that the price would fall but what will probably happen is the complete opposite, fuel production has a fixed cost that is increasing year over year, extraction, refining transportation etc all costs money, the suppliers need to make enough money to pay these costs, if they cannot they will either have to find somewhere to cuts costs (such as closing fuelling stations) or increase costs.
Right now fuel sales are enough to run a profitable company but as sales fall and operating costs rise the companies will have to make choices
It will probably be fuel price just gets higher and higher until nobody will pay or close down fuel stations until your nearest one is just too far away.
My thought too. Crude is a 'marginally priced' commodity and as such lower demand for oil should mean bulk price should fall and only low cost producers be able to survive with high cost oil sources like the Oil sands in Canada becoming unprofitable. But there is a big inertial effect and overall demand is just starting to fall and the cartels have so far been able to enforce production reductions on their members. It will be interesting to see what happens when the bottom falls out of demand. My guess is that too many African dictators are going to still need their money fix to comply with the demands of the Saudi's and there will be lots of black market sales going on.
The retail price is a version of the same story. Will there be true competitive pricing between refiners or will they secretly collude to restrict gas supply? If they do with extortion level high prices, the turn to electric will become a stampede, and gas may become a boutique commodity only available in very rare gas stations to fuel your relic or antique car.
The price of oil is already falling, due to slowing demand and forward-looking estimates showing no reversal. The biggest buyer and growth of oil was China, but China hit Peak Oil in 2023. China is still importing a lot of oil for industrial use (plastics, lubricants), but road use is dropping fast. By 2030, Chinese oil consumption will be in clear net decline as industrial growth stops compensating for road use, and global use starts to pinch from Chinese NEV exports.
@@ZweiZwolf If oil price drop too far, investors will spend $ on other products, oil industry depend on investors, so they will slowly shrink in size.
just like still using Imperial units instead of metric.. I think the US will be one of the last countries to give up on gas cars
Metric will never catch on just like computers.
They'll find it easier once oil reserves become unviable.....
@@Brian-om2hh Why would that happen unless you think that oil comes from dinosaurs.
Greetings from Texas. I keep seeing O&G companies (Exxon, Shell, etc.) building new gas stations, often across the street from each other. How long is this going to last?
That's because you are in America, going in wrong direction
@@Discovery2024-rn8kn Right, the largest economy in the world is going in the wrong direction, you're a fool
I don’t understand the surge in EV , I live on a road that has 60 houses and over 80 cars/ vans
5 of them are EV and that is only because they are company cars
Depends where you live. In the US gas is relatively cheap and EV's relatively expensive. Once EV's reach parity or below with the cost of an ICE... within a year or two at most... and other factors already there, like longevity and lower cost per mile are added in ICE vehicles are going to effectively done for day to day consumers.
Hi from the UK. We are able to charge at home so on our tiny little rock of the East coast of Europe a range of 300 miles is plenty so public charging is not our thing but some networks like Tesla and Fastned do give very competitive prices over here.
Gas stations will not be completely phased out for a long time. If you dig into sales statistics, you will see hybrid sales growing faster than pure EV sales in most markets. Even the Chinese manufacturers have been putting more money and research into hybrid technology.
This would be great for electricity supply. The petrol industry is a heavy user of electricity which means the demand should not spike too much leading to higher prices.
Oh don't tell the trolls that, they won't believe you.
And what about the children in Africa?
The refineries use a lot of electricty. They make their own from the gassious fraction of the barrel.
If you want to fly thru the air, you have to make gasoline. Almost one to one. The supply of fuel oils is in rough balance now. what will you do with all that gasoline in the near future?
What about the billions of tax dollars that will be lost…
In the UK, this will be recovered by implementing a system of Road Pricing - pay per mile.....
Where I live I expect we are just 2-3 years away from lots of stations going out of business. Long term stations probably just on highways. Or home delivery for people with classic cars.
True but the easiest way for gas stations to close would be expensive gasoline. There's still plenty of gas stations in norway even though most sales are electric
Currently in my state we pay federal and state taxes on fuel.
If everything goes EV how is the federal government going to replace the missing federal gas tax money?
It could cut the billions in gas company welfare.
@@tedg1609 we've got to keep up with the Chinese who subsidize their fossil fuels in the trillions of US dollars
@@tedg1609when you get the Chinese to stop subsidies of their fossil fuels in the trillions of dollars let me know
Most of this stuff is delusional “wish-think” from a zealot. Reality is a cruel master…and this chap is in for a rude awakening when he walks outside and speaks to real people living real lives.
So how does that go for the large percentage of population who live in units with car parks with no or inadequate chargers or like me, houses without driveways.
You’re right, they will disappear but extremely slowly in Australia. It is still a long way from its tipping point. I for one would like but won’t consider an EV due to the inadequate charging network. I live in the Inner West of Sydney! I have a hybrid and right now, that works well for me.
Lamp posts with hanging wires. Grocery stores, places of work.
Ultimately won't need a car. Self driving Tesla app will be times cheaper than parking/insuring/maintaining your own car
@ I wouldn’t support Tesla, even if you paid me. The company is owned run by an existential threat to planetary security.
@ I would want to run an EV off my rooftop solar until I can be sure that renewable sources of power are assured. Otherwise it’s hypocritical to run an EV of power generated by burning fossil fuels.
Most Garages are now mini to average size supermarkets and make very little profit from fuel anyway. The profits are from goods and foods. My local garage has a cafe with food counter and coffee dispenser, a butchers, a frozen food section and a post office all within its walls.
Also the UK needs to up its game in supply of electricity. The last cold snap in January 2025 with snow and -0C seen almost grid down blackouts one night. The wind wasn't blowing for the wind turbines and there was no sun for solar obviously. They had to import gas from abroad to keep the turbines going as their storage supply is so low. A lot of EVs and home battery storage units are plugged in at night to get the cheap night time tariffs and will suck the grid dry under such conditions, especially as they become more and more popular.
Today in New York it got up to 0C and it felt like spring had sprung. Next week going down to -20C.
UK needs to insulate. And stop complaining.
Like electricity will get cheaper in future :D current grids in any country are having issues at this lvl, imagine if everybody got an EV. It will get really expensive really quick
@@aleksandarmilosevic4629 yup, he never mentions that everyone will be paying enormous electric bills
@@alans.4658along with lots of other facts he conveniently overlooks
And petrol stayed nice and cheap as more people got ICE cars, did it? The electricity I get from my solar panels isn't any more costly than it was 5 years ago. The cost of sunshine hasn't increased in millions of years.....
@@Brian-om2hh I like to watch this cannel for EV news, have nothing against EV, but he has to say the negatives also. Petrol is currently better in many things, its more energy density, it is easier to store it, it doesn't deflate as battery charge. But that is not so important because batteries will probably get better over time. I was just stating that there is no way to switch fast to EVs as main source of transportation, we simply don't have infrastructure. You can look at your monthly electricity bill and check out how much you used kWh currently. Your neighbours probably have cars too (maybe one or two). Imagine if they all charged how much is that extra power consumption. Imagine fluctuations on grid system, it has to match production with currently spending to mitigate loss. Also panels are expensive, and how much do you need to charge you car or two, its a lot, you would probably charge it for days (at least 15 panels or more). If electric energy was cheap we would use it for home heating. In future when demand for it skyrockets it will only get more expensive. Panels are kind cheap now because China is selling them under price to crush competition. Again that is my guess but we will see what it brings. In my country the more electric energy you spend the kWh is more expensive, like green is 400, yellow is 1200 kWh, and above is most pricy. I mean we can probably take average daily consumption of petrol in one specific state now and convert that energy to electric to calculate how much more we need, then check what is maximum electricity production now. I know my country cannot do it, it is buying for others during winter and in peak summer heat because of ACs.
why don’t gas stations start selling natural gas since many all ready heat their stations with natural gas?
We will be charging 99% at home.
We bought an EV last October, and till today, we have never supercharged.
In 3 months almost 5.000km and always charged overnight at home.
What state and city do you live near? Is your garage warm ?
@@mikewallace8087 Why is a warm garage needed?
@@BMWHP2 we will also be paying way more for that electric "fillup"
@ because EV batteries charge quicker and to full in warmer conditions . You people never state where you live.
@@mikewallace8087 probably a tiny country in Europe
Now chargers are hard to find I have never seen one after Monday people in the us will have more to worry about than evs or gas
with the high cost of living in the west I don't see many people buying new cars
There's nothing new about that, ICE or EV, most car purchases are 2nd hand
yet they are building a new one just down the road from me, next door to an existing one. Why?
Now that a pro fossil fuels administration and party has come into power in 🇺🇸 i will try to use as little as possible. I will be mostly using my e bike whenever possible
I'm not sure but California shell closing 1000 stations already are being bought up to converting to ev not all those choice spots going fast.
Most of those houses do not have 3 phase and the network cannot support the load on the street conductors on single phase conductors if every one came home and plugged their EV into the grid at peak load times. Most EV owners are in big cities and those charging points still need electrical energy from the grid as not all units have access to a solar system. Wind and solar are weather dependent. You need base load generation and that unfortunately is the way it is.
Here in Chicago, one local news station is freaking everyone out with interviews with Tesla owners stating how the upcoming Zero weather is going to cause them to lose range and flat out brick in cold weather.
Well we know the Mainstream Media lies so what are you saying?
@@dougsheldon5560 🥶
That’s not helpful or even true is it. You should get Ben Sullins on the case.
I live in Quebec and very cold but ev’s live well here.
The way things like this work is that news organizations contact a huge number of Tesla owners (or whatever group) and ask questions to weed out the ones that won’t say what they want them to say.
What I see is new petrol stations popping up all over the place. I guess the investors in these are kinda dumb.
I can't understand why, with sales volumes of petrol decreasing steadily....
Here in the USA, EVs are a minuscule % of the fleet. We have terrible choices compared to, well, everywhere else. So, bigger Buc-ees until Detroit gets into the EV act
What happened to bio, fules like biodiesel an gas made from biomase, in US made from vegetation are used in township on lawn mowers an such was a big deal a few years ago 😮
Does anyone know what Sam said at the beginning ?
Was he implying that you can charge your EV from a normal house electric point without a charging box .
Yes you can.
Eventually prices will go up but won't the price of gas go down initially? Economies of scale and infrastrure has already been built. Wouldn'y a hlut of supply lead to lower prices initially?
My nearest intersection has a petrol station on three of four corners. I drive an Ioniq 5 and won't miss them.😎
It seems you miss visiting them every time😊
It will take years for the gas fleet to mileage out. Gas stations will close, but the flip will take time.
Yes that is true but it will become increasingly difficult to use gas.
Decades in the West.
In 2024 there were just under 100K EVs sold in Australia and 1.14 million combustion vehicles (of any type including hybrids).
Let us generously assume that 2025 is the year that 100% of new car sales are EVs. Some may consider this a brave assumption given there was minimal increase between 2023 and 2024. But let's be brave.
There are 21.5 million vehicles on the road. Let's call it 20 million to make it a bit easier to achieve.
A few more assumptions. Let's imagine the cost of living crisis is solved and we double the new car sales this year. Dealers and importers somehow make that work. So let's assume 3 million EVs a year from 2025.
Let's also assume that from 2025 onwards, the only write offs or otherwise scrapped are combustion vehicles.
We'll also assume despite record levels of immigration in 2024, it drops to 0 in 2025 meaning all those new EVs can replace existing combustion vehicles.
Now the math 20 million vehicles/3 million vehicles per year replaced would still require 7 years. There is literally zero risk of not finding a gas station in the near future even with absurdly optimistic assumptions. This is the sort of question that might make more sense to ask when buying a new car in 2035 than 2025.
@ Yes, and if we assume a more typical uptake from ~10% in 2024, then it'll be a couple of decades. At least the needle is moving.
Electric delusion.
Artificially induced EV purchases and drop in fuel consumption.
It will normalise dictated by objectivity, practicality, facts and truths.
Sam, why do you think America is lagging so much with EV adoption? I have 2 reasons but would like to hear your perspective.
Perhaps we could replace them with battery stations like the one on fire at Moss Landing 🤔
It will be closed down faster than we think.
No need for it anymore.
Best regards from Norway
Haven‘t been in Norway for 20y, but what i have seen in Denmark is…there just a few petrol stations with staff left, the rest are automatic filling stations. Denmark is far behind Norway but switching to EVs quickly now.
You do that when you're ready, we'll all be here watching to see how that goes... make us envious, troll us for driving ICE in our polluted cities if needed!... haha
The power grid in the UK is years (probably tens of years, as the investment isn't worth it) away from being ready to service the number of charging stations required for full EV take up.
The number of fuel stations also reduces as ICE vehicles become more efficient, so a lot less fill-ups required for the same mileage.