I consider myself a martial artist and have for years now. Never had a major interest in competition but wanted self defense and martial ART. Living where I live I train at the best place I can find. It’s definitely sport oriented but professor does a great job teaching good basic self defense as well.
Question for you… when does a “Martial” art become a “combat” art? Also, when the aikido/karate practitioner gets clinched and taken down, are aikido and karate still “martial” arts?
@@KamaJiuJitsu I think it’s common to see “martial arts“ as more of an art than a self defense system. Tai chi is also considered a martial art but wouldn’t you say it’s quite different from Jiu jitsu? Or wushu for example, you can’t apply these in a self defense situation and they are more of an art form. Not that anything is wrong with that. Martial art becomes a combat sport when the focus is on combat not art, and a self defense system once proven it can be applied as such. Back in the eighties/nineties when any style was “karate” and all fighting was “martial arts” it would possibly make sense to call it this, but these days when the difference between bullshido and true fighting is clear, I feel bjj shouldn’t be put under the term of martial art and should be made clear that is is a self defense system or a combat sport.
And you see, when we debate semantics, we need to take all definitions into account, don’t we? “Martial” pertains to “war.” “Sport” refers to… sport. Combat is combat, but when combined with “sport,” is it “martial?” I get you, the “martial arts” have been watered down as time has gone on. But there IS a difference between Combat and Combat Sport. So, is what you call “combat sport,” actual combat, or is there a ref, judges, and a rulebook involved? I say most definitely. Now a martial “art” likely has no ref, no judges, and no rulebook BUT, given the change in martial arts over the decades, i would venture a guess that a martial artist has just as much of an opportunity to win in combat vs each other with no real rules (or fewer rather than more, at least) involved. BTW, thank you for the great (head scratching) debate!
Oh, and BTW, a good chunk of BJJ today is no longer “self-defense.” GJJ has always strived to be “self-defense.” GJJ was also never really sold as a combat sport.
@@KamaJiuJitsu hah I didn’t know we are debating but I guess let’s have a discussion since we started. There are 2 issues with what you are saying, the first is if we take all definitions as you suggest than we also have to consider the word art. BJJ has no forms, no flashy kicks, and nothing than can look impressive to the person who doesn’t know what’s going on, as opposed to let’s say kung fu or any other styles that have forms. These styles by direct definitions “martial arts” or arts of war. It doesn’t mean self defense and matter a fact doesn’t necessarily imply combat at all. Ki Gong is technically a “martial art” but doesn’t really have nothing to do with fighting. There is no sparring of any kind and for the most part practitioners are never fighters. BJJ on the other hand is sparring and fighting, these 2 can should not be tossed under one umbrella. One is an art form someone can do on their own and look pretty and the other is “let me choke you in the most uncomfortable way till you pass out”. They are not the same. The next problem is the fact that terms and words tend to change meaning. For example the term idk gay, it used to mean happy, then it became an offensive term. If back in the day martial arts was an umbrella term for everything, now it’s almost always synonymous with bullshido. When referring to boxing no one gonna say it’s martial arts lol they gonna say it’s a combat sport because you actually fight though under a controlled setting. BJJ is a self defense system and was mean to be such, but it grew its own branch to become a combat sport since people began to use BJJ vs BJJ and not only for self defense purposes, that’s why these 2 definitions would apply.
It’s good to see the old marketing tactics back in action
I can personally attest to this having used it multiple times while doing security
Good marketing
Basically you teach the stuff that works not just the fancy hipster stuff
We certainly try to.
Everyone wants to train what actually works especially people who compete. Not just Kama JJ.
And yet, you see so many competitors doing stuff that doesn’t work against simple, basic defense concepts.
I consider myself a martial artist and have for years now. Never had a major interest in competition but wanted self defense and martial ART. Living where I live I train at the best place I can find. It’s definitely sport oriented but professor does a great job teaching good basic self defense as well.
Does judo make you better at BJJ??? Is it really worth doing both?
If you do current BJJ, then more often than not, takedowns are non existent, so yes, judo with BJJ will likely make you MUCH better.
Have u heard of Crosley Gracie he has a school near me website says self defense
Heard of him. Never met him, though. I’m sure he’s spectacular.
With all due respect, aikido and karate is a “martial art” BJJ is combat sport and self defense system. Very, very different things imo
Question for you… when does a “Martial” art become a “combat” art? Also, when the aikido/karate practitioner gets clinched and taken down, are aikido and karate still “martial” arts?
@@KamaJiuJitsu I think it’s common to see “martial arts“ as more of an art than a self defense system. Tai chi is also considered a martial art but wouldn’t you say it’s quite different from Jiu jitsu? Or wushu for example, you can’t apply these in a self defense situation and they are more of an art form. Not that anything is wrong with that. Martial art becomes a combat sport when the focus is on combat not art, and a self defense system once proven it can be applied as such. Back in the eighties/nineties when any style was “karate” and all fighting was “martial arts” it would possibly make sense to call it this, but these days when the difference between bullshido and true fighting is clear, I feel bjj shouldn’t be put under the term of martial art and should be made clear that is is a self defense system or a combat sport.
And you see, when we debate semantics, we need to take all definitions into account, don’t we? “Martial” pertains to “war.” “Sport” refers to… sport. Combat is combat, but when combined with “sport,” is it “martial?”
I get you, the “martial arts” have been watered down as time has gone on. But there IS a difference between Combat and Combat Sport. So, is what you call “combat sport,” actual combat, or is there a ref, judges, and a rulebook involved? I say most definitely. Now a martial “art” likely has no ref, no judges, and no rulebook BUT, given the change in martial arts over the decades, i would venture a guess that a martial artist has just as much of an opportunity to win in combat vs each other with no real rules (or fewer rather than more, at least) involved.
BTW, thank you for the great (head scratching) debate!
Oh, and BTW, a good chunk of BJJ today is no longer “self-defense.” GJJ has always strived to be “self-defense.” GJJ was also never really sold as a combat sport.
@@KamaJiuJitsu hah I didn’t know we are debating but I guess let’s have a discussion since we started. There are 2 issues with what you are saying, the first is if we take all definitions as you suggest than we also have to consider the word art. BJJ has no forms, no flashy kicks, and nothing than can look impressive to the person who doesn’t know what’s going on, as opposed to let’s say kung fu or any other styles that have forms. These styles by direct definitions “martial arts” or arts of war. It doesn’t mean self defense and matter a fact doesn’t necessarily imply combat at all. Ki Gong is technically a “martial art” but doesn’t really have nothing to do with fighting. There is no sparring of any kind and for the most part practitioners are never fighters. BJJ on the other hand is sparring and fighting, these 2 can should not be tossed under one umbrella. One is an art form someone can do on their own and look pretty and the other is “let me choke you in the most uncomfortable way till you pass out”. They are not the same.
The next problem is the fact that terms and words tend to change meaning. For example the term idk gay, it used to mean happy, then it became an offensive term. If back in the day martial arts was an umbrella term for everything, now it’s almost always synonymous with bullshido. When referring to boxing no one gonna say it’s martial arts lol they gonna say it’s a combat sport because you actually fight though under a controlled setting. BJJ is a self defense system and was mean to be such, but it grew its own branch to become a combat sport since people began to use BJJ vs BJJ and not only for self defense purposes, that’s why these 2 definitions would apply.
I certainly wish I lived near one of your schools as I would learn from you. Are there any schools, in Calgary, that you recommend?
Man, I wish I knew of some.
That’s not near Saskatoon Saskatchewan is it? I don’t know Canada other than BC and Quebec and Toronto.
@@KamaJiuJitsu Thanks for the reply. I appreciate it. Yea… I’m quite far from Saskatoon. I’ll be sure to drop by your school if I’m ever in the area.
I was just asking because we have a student there.