The weird thing is Forgotten Weapons also has a video on the 1870 and Ian shows a comparison of the 1870 and the 1868 receiver differences. Also, correct me if I’m wrong. The 1870 and the 1868 also have slightly different breech blocks where the 68 is ever so slightly longer than the 1870. I believe I heard that on a Koba49 video but I could be wrong.
Yes, there is a difference in the leangth of what is called the comb. The part of the breach block that contains the fireing pin. Lol, I thought that might getting a bit deep in the weeds for this video.
Well they heard it on the internet so it must be true! I think you brought this subject up very tactfully and with honesty and class. I'll still tip my hat to InrangeTV for actually effecting gun values with his mistake Ha Ha.
Y’all are a fountain of knowledge at 11BangBang. Good video. We are all prone to get things wrong at times but asking questions and having discussion is how we learn. Good job Garrett
G'Day, I haven't seen many original trapdoor weapons here in Australia. Quite a few years ago, I had the pleasure of firing a repro 45/70 cavalry carbine. Nice! Would have liked to buy one but the massive price was way beyond me. My mate was a US cavalry enthusiast and had all the weapons and gear to go with CW, Indian Wars and Spanish/American impressions. Even had all the correct period saddlery items. Don't know where he got the money to buy everything! I have a book somewhere in my bookshelf that covers the 45/70 trapdoor. It was published by Dixie Gun Works and went into great detail. I think it even listed the serial number runs of the various models. It even had a section on how trapdoors rifles were modified to look like earlier firearms in movies--even looking like flint locks. Always enjoy your videos. This one really shows how a "mistake" can influence prices of many things, firearms included. These mistakes are often exploited by unscrupulous "horse traders"! Thanks again for this and all your other videos. Great to watch. Cheers, Steve
People will do anything to make something worth more. If you said a 1868 1/2 was worth a million dollars . There would be thousands of 1868's listed as 1868 1/2. Gaurentee alot of yhem know the difference they are just hoping you dont. Good video buddy
Well said! There is so much to learn and videos, even the incorrect ones, are easier to get thru than the right books, unfortunately. I'm looking forward to seeing how the carbine conversion pans out! 👍👍
Great information. I have been looking for one from this time period. But I want something that I can use and not just have on the shelf. Issue I have run into is that the barrels are trashed out.
@@Real11BangBang I have been watching. Thank you for the response. Just catching up on your channel again. Old account is gone and now with our channel I have to find all my old favorite yt people.
I absolutely love the way y'all research and study your subjects! That is a wonderful example for us all! BTW, what's the flint gun behind you in this video? TC
@@TurkeyCreek-ek8mjI would love to do a video on it. Problem is I don't really have any history on it. Other than And what I see on the lock. What I've been told is that it was made in the 1830s for the Massachusetts militia And the barrel is actually supposedly off of a old Springfield musket either This does kind of add up considering it has some of the Springfield markings and the caliber. But the story is is that the Massachusetts militia preferred the British style of musket and so they just use the Springfield barrels and rebuilt guns around them of British pattern once again That's just what I've been told
THANKS Garrett Yeah I noticed that in Karl's vid. I KNEW it would stick in your craw :) Well, I knew you were a Colt expert. Now I also have a go-to for Springfield Trap Door data. Well Done Sir!
right you are, we all make mistakes, but when it affects the market people tend to get irate. I hope Karl see this and makes it right. thank you for putting the knowledge out there and we can see you were very reluctant to cast aspersions on Karl. I dont care what everybody else says i think youre a good guy...lol
Yes!!!!! Very well stated. This is something that has been irritating me for quite some time as it is so very easy to tell and learn about the difference. Maybe someday when I when the lottery I’ll be able to afford a for real 1870 carbine.
Thanks for the video, i didn't realize people were mislabeling, the 1870. I have one in poor to fair condition , and one in very good condition, I harvested a doe with the best one this year. 72 year old eyes are not very good with iron sights. But the trap door did an excellent job.
Thanks for clarifying this. I'm gonna have to dig mine out and recheck the reciever nose. It doesn't have any former musket parts on it if I recall, but I need to double check. Block is stamped 1870.
Saw a legit, intact 1866 the other day. Unfortunately the previous owner tried to "restore" the stock with a sanding block and wrecked the original patina. Asking an absurd price despite that. 1864 lockplates, 2 position tumbler, all the surplus Springfield RM parts and the rifling is excellent.
@@Real11BangBang Indeed. My heart sank. Offered them something within the reasonable range, we'll see. Looking forward to re-examining the one I have. If it is indeed an 1870 I'm going to be mighty happy as I only paid $900 for it. 😀
@@Real11BangBang There's a "173" stamped on the barrel. I'm guessing that was the serial as there's nothing on the reciever (or I failed to look and can't remember sheet...)
yes i wish carl would have payed some attention to ian when they were still friends. If you look at the numbers more than one hundred thousand more people have watched carl's video than ians. plus carl has 2 more videos focusing on his 1868 he is calling his 1870.
I suggest turning the cobbled up 1870 into a conversion sporting rifle rather than a dot mil Carbine that we all know, somewhere down the line will be sold as an "Original" at a way over inflated price. Parrot suggestion.
The entire time the US was screwing with trapdoor the Martini Henry was available since 1871. The US has a long history of picking the wrong gun. The Trapdoor the 30-40 Craig over a Mauser the M-14 over FN FAL the M-60 over the MG-42/MG-3.
@@Real11BangBang Other than the rolled brass ammo used in the early Martini Henry that caused issues it was the best of all the single shot military rifles. The Martin Henry action even fired the 303 British right into the 2nd Bore war in 1899 by colonial troops. You're correct the US would have never spent the cash for the Martin Henry.
Can't believe everything you hear. Some folks are just interested in views and not actually the content they provide. I don't mess with trapdoors but I appreciate you clarifying the information for those that do.
Glad we have you and your research to help set things straight. You might say, you're right on target!
thankyou very much santee
13:24. Yes! FINALLY! Thank you!
The weird thing is Forgotten Weapons also has a video on the 1870 and Ian shows a comparison of the 1870 and the 1868 receiver differences. Also, correct me if I’m wrong. The 1870 and the 1868 also have slightly different breech blocks where the 68 is ever so slightly longer than the 1870. I believe I heard that on a Koba49 video but I could be wrong.
Yes, there is a difference in the leangth of what is called the comb. The part of the breach block that contains the fireing pin. Lol, I thought that might getting a bit deep in the weeds for this video.
Well they heard it on the internet so it must be true! I think you brought this subject up very tactfully and with honesty and class. I'll still tip my hat to InrangeTV for actually effecting gun values with his mistake Ha Ha.
Y’all are a fountain of knowledge at 11BangBang. Good video. We are all prone to get things wrong at times but asking questions and having discussion is how we learn. Good job Garrett
thankyou very much
Well done. The quality of research and pursuit of intellectual honesty is something that set's y'all apart.
thankyou
I enjoyed the rant! Very informative. Your explanation was very well done!
Well done, Garrett.
thankyou very much!
G'Day,
I haven't seen many original trapdoor weapons here in Australia. Quite a few years ago, I had the pleasure of firing a repro 45/70 cavalry carbine. Nice! Would have liked to buy one but the massive price was way beyond me. My mate was a US cavalry enthusiast and had all the weapons and gear to go with CW, Indian Wars and Spanish/American impressions. Even had all the correct period saddlery items. Don't know where he got the money to buy everything!
I have a book somewhere in my bookshelf that covers the 45/70 trapdoor. It was published by Dixie Gun Works and went into great detail. I think it even listed the serial number runs of the various models. It even had a section on how trapdoors rifles were modified to look like earlier firearms in movies--even looking like flint locks.
Always enjoy your videos. This one really shows how a "mistake" can influence prices of many things, firearms included. These mistakes are often exploited by unscrupulous "horse traders"!
Thanks again for this and all your other videos. Great to watch.
Cheers,
Steve
thank you for watching steve
Thank you for this information. I love learning something new everyday.
thankyou for watching
People will do anything to make something worth more. If you said a 1868 1/2 was worth a million dollars . There would be thousands of 1868's listed as 1868 1/2. Gaurentee alot of yhem know the difference they are just hoping you dont. Good video buddy
thankyou very much!
Well said! There is so much to learn and videos, even the incorrect ones, are easier to get thru than the right books, unfortunately. I'm looking forward to seeing how the carbine conversion pans out! 👍👍
lol me too
Just saw one 1868 on GunBroker advertised as a rare 1870 with a price of $4900!!!!
yeah that is insane!
Its like the housing market. Actual value does not apply.
lol 100%
Great video for those interested in these rifles. May save someone some money.
i certainly hope so
Great information. I have been looking for one from this time period. But I want something that I can use and not just have on the shelf. Issue I have run into is that the barrels are trashed out.
gunbroker somtimes has deals on the 1866 models
@@Real11BangBang I have been watching. Thank you for the response. Just catching up on your channel again. Old account is gone and now with our channel I have to find all my old favorite yt people.
I absolutely love the way y'all research and study your subjects! That is a wonderful example for us all!
BTW, what's the flint gun behind you in this video?
TC
thank you very much TC that gun behinde me is a Lane & Reed new england militia musket. It's kind of a miniature 69 caliber brown bess
Have y'all done a video on it?
@@TurkeyCreek-ek8mjI would love to do a video on it. Problem is I don't really have any history on it. Other than And what I see on the lock. What I've been told is that it was made in the 1830s for the Massachusetts militia And the barrel is actually supposedly off of a old Springfield musket either This does kind of add up considering it has some of the Springfield markings and the caliber. But the story is is that the Massachusetts militia preferred the British style of musket and so they just use the Springfield barrels and rebuilt guns around them of British pattern once again That's just what I've been told
THANKS Garrett Yeah I noticed that in Karl's vid. I KNEW it would stick in your craw :) Well, I knew you were a Colt expert. Now I also have a go-to for Springfield Trap Door data. Well Done Sir!
thankyou very much. are ready to show of your 66 in the next episode? lol
@@Real11BangBang go for it :) btw recently I found a 1858 Enfield
Thanks for the history lesson on trapdoors! I almost bought a 1878 trapdoor a long time ago. I wished I had bought it now.David Back.
right you are, we all make mistakes, but when it affects the market people tend to get irate. I hope Karl see this and makes it right. thank you for putting the knowledge out there and we can see you were very reluctant to cast aspersions on Karl. I dont care what everybody else says i think youre a good guy...lol
lol thanks
Karl is quick to point out things that are wrong, he has even done it with himself in the past. He is a stickler at times so I'm sure.
If it has a long bar and the top of the door says 1870, then was the door replaced on what was originally an 1868 necessarily?
no its just a model 1868 made in the year 1870
@@Real11BangBang Okay. Thanks.
IMHO the converted musket is a cooler gun. None of these "Trapdoor" types goes for anything like 800 'round here.
lol i need to buy from your territory then
Great job, I have an actual 70 and the 73 breach block will fit into a 70 but not a 68.
Thanks for the valuable info Garrett!
Sure thing!
Yes!!!!! Very well stated. This is something that has been irritating me for quite some time as it is so very easy to tell and learn about the difference. Maybe someday when I when the lottery I’ll be able to afford a for real 1870 carbine.
lol thankyou. the last 1870 carbine i saw went for 17,000.... was probably worth every penny.
Thanks love your videos
Glad you like them!
Very informative! I never appreciated or even understood the difference between the two.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Thanks for the video, i didn't realize people were mislabeling, the 1870. I have one in poor to fair condition , and one in very good condition, I harvested a doe with the best one this year. 72 year old eyes are not very good with iron sights. But the trap door did an excellent job.
congratulations you are the first person i have heard of getting a deer woth an 1870. I'm glad you're keeping the old girl busy.
Learned a ton. Appreciate it. 🤠
“Small” channel with big knowledge 🤛🏽
thankyou
Thanks for spreading facts.👍
thanks for watching
Good video
Glad you enjoyed
Well thanks for the honest information it is good to get that out there
You bet
Great video, a wealth of knowledge.
Much appreciated
Ty.
YW
Awesome thank you for the information.
You bet!
Nice collection of needle guns
thankyou
Thanks for caring and sharing.
Our pleasure!
Thank you.
thankyou for watching!
Thanks for clarifying this. I'm gonna have to dig mine out and recheck the reciever nose. It doesn't have any former musket parts on it if I recall, but I need to double check. Block is stamped 1870.
Saw a legit, intact 1866 the other day. Unfortunately the previous owner tried to "restore" the stock with a sanding block and wrecked the original patina. Asking an absurd price despite that. 1864 lockplates, 2 position tumbler, all the surplus Springfield RM parts and the rifling is excellent.
That's too bad those are great guns
@@Real11BangBang Indeed. My heart sank. Offered them something within the reasonable range, we'll see.
Looking forward to re-examining the one I have. If it is indeed an 1870 I'm going to be mighty happy as I only paid $900 for it. 😀
@@Real11BangBang Dug it out. Hot diggidy....legit 1870. (and I paid 1868 price for it). 🙂
@@Real11BangBang There's a "173" stamped on the barrel. I'm guessing that was the serial as there's nothing on the reciever (or I failed to look and can't remember sheet...)
Very interesting.
But what video are you speaking about? I only see a few on the model 1873 and the one on Geronimo's rifle.
the geronimo rifle
@@Real11BangBang Why would anybody take a video, obviously about politics, personalities and gun trade of the time, as an identification guide?
As a quick easy first step, we have the Forgotten Weapons one.
probably because "springfield 1870" is not only in the title but in the thumbnail.
yes i wish carl would have payed some attention to ian when they were still friends. If you look at the numbers more than one hundred thousand more people have watched carl's video than ians. plus carl has 2 more videos focusing on his 1868 he is calling his 1870.
I suggest turning the cobbled up 1870 into a conversion sporting rifle rather than a dot mil Carbine that we all know, somewhere down the line will be sold as an "Original" at a way over inflated price. Parrot suggestion.
i will make certain it can never be sold as an original
Wow, the devil worshipper lied? Imagine that lol
He’ll put a devil hex on you lol
The entire time the US was screwing with trapdoor the Martini Henry was available since 1871. The US has a long history of picking the wrong gun. The Trapdoor the 30-40 Craig over a Mauser the M-14 over FN FAL the M-60 over the MG-42/MG-3.
to he fair there was really no way they would have ever had the finances pre 1890 to ever be able to afford the martini henry.
@@Real11BangBang Other than the rolled brass ammo used in the early Martini Henry that caused issues it was the best of all the single shot military rifles. The Martin Henry action even fired the 303 British right into the 2nd Bore war in 1899 by colonial troops. You're correct the US would have never spent the cash for the Martin Henry.
Can't believe everything you hear. Some folks are just interested in views and not actually the content they provide. I don't mess with trapdoors but I appreciate you clarifying the information for those that do.
thankyou very much lol your one of my go to guys for flintlocks so i appreciate it
@@Real11BangBang Thanks!