Hassell and ESA unveil their concept for a permanent base on the moon
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- The European Space Agency has unveiled its Lunar Habitat Master Plan, a conceptual design for a scalable moon base.
Commissioned by ESA’s Discovery programme and designed by architectural firm Hassell, the ideas will guide the agency's technological development of such structures, so it can solve some of the issues moon dwellers could face in a future where research, exploration, tourism and prospecting may all form part of a lunar economy.
“More people on the moon in a sustainable way. This is a good picture to have in mind,” says ESA advanced manufacturing engineer Advenit Makaya, who was involved in the design process. The concept aims to address problems that might arise from having people on the lunar surface for extended periods. This includes protecting astronauts from the harsh environment, such as radiation and dust, and dealing with extreme temperatures, lack of water, oxygen and power.
The habitat is designed around a series of inflatable pods that would make minimal contact with the surface, reducing issues with abrasive dust. These would then be protected by a shell made of blocks, 3D printed using lunar soil, known as regolith, that can be interlocked into place over the pods to absorb radiation. We might also be able to get water or oxygen from the regolith. And to mitigate temperature fluctuations, and maximise solar power efficiency, the base would be built on the edge of Shackleton crater at the moon's south pole where it would face the sun for longer.
Both ESA and Hassell admit their design is some way from becoming a reality, but flexibility is at the heart of it. "Is it a case of running before we can walk? I don't think so. These things take a long, long time to plan,” says Xavier De Kestelier, the global head of design for Hassell and the lead architect on the project. “We need to keep on exploring the science.”
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Love how the ESA plans are laid out visually and explained by these experts. Would love to hear more about ESA's plans & projects
Would love to see ESA actually start doing some of their projects.
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Would love if people had more interest/investment in space ventures. This year is great.
Haha, rampaging Africans are setting fire to the Hague. The Eiffel Tower is a no-go zone. London is 10% white.
The EU: “Let’s plan a moon base!”
Not a smart idea unless the plan is for the last of Earth’s White people to retreat to the moon! 😅
The moon is an ideal place to conduct long-term studies of gravity, radiation, and ecology as relates to space travel. Missions to Mars will need all three sorted. Creating a sustainable forest habitat is crucial.
Not to suggest anythin ... but ... Tshernobyl hasn't moved yet ... feel free at your own risk.
@@JanoschNr1 Chernobyl is a city. Why would it move?
@@krumkutsarov618he js being sarcastic
I don’t know if I’d say "ideal", Mars has a higher gravity which is better against bone loss and it, perhaps unintuitively, requires less Delta V to reach Mars than the Moon.
The major problem are the months in space exposed to interplanetary radiation and no gravity. And of course the transit time by itself
@@Icetea-2000 The good think about our world is that we all have the freedom to work on diffrent projects parallel. The moon is the objective of nasa and esa while mars is the project of spacex. Then there are alot other countries with their own space projects like india and china. All of these will ensue that we will reache the stars in a timely manner. If everyone was working only on one project then progress would be slower. The "shot gun" approach of spreading our goals is lowering the risks of failiure.
They should make it big enough for people!
What is this a moon base for ants?
Lol 😆.
It should be at least 3 times bigger!!
They plan to use miniature giant space hamsters.
Nah, just shift the astronaut requirements. “Aspirants over 1/2 inch tall need not apply”.
I really like this plan. I think this is how the moon base of the future will be built. It looks like a very solid concept.
It’s not going to happen. IQs are dropping. The current crop of rocket engineers can’t even figure out how the Saturn V worked. They pulled an engine from the Smithsonian, took it apart and even with the original drawings and schematics they couldn’t figure it out. That’s why the SLS system is going to use existing RJ-25 motors that are left over from the Space Shuttle. They were designed to be reusable but the SLS is going to destroy two of them with each launch. Once those 26 RJ-25s are gone that’s it.
This is so cool, I hope I can see it becoming real in the next 10 years
You should instead hope that you get to see the next 10 years at all.
@@MXedits_1 enough with the fear mongering dude
I think this is a genius idea and would be the biggest achievement in human Histroy
@sp66-know-try-think I'm going around in circles myself pal
I love that this is a serious concept. They really do need to do exploratory studies on the lava tubes once we get boots back on the moon. They're pre-dug tunnels and they are all over the moon!
Nope. Useless.
Try actually thinking about it for a few minutes, and you will see why.
@@Chris.Davies"Useless," except for that whole protection from radiation thing, right?
@@Chris.Davies 2 days later and I've yet to come up with anything...how's about you bless us with your intellect and explain why this plan isn't feasible?
@@codymoe4986 Lava tubes are next to useless because we want to build bases in locations of our choosing. It's pretty ridiculous to think we're going to have a permanent human presence on the moon and not build our own infrastructure out of regolith. Plus, how common are lava tubes in reality? And how stable are they?
Haha, this isn’t serious at all. The last human footstep ever on the Moon happened in 1972. We’re never going back. They’ll fake it once Text to AI gets so good that it can’t be detected.
The U.S. is eyeing the the volcanic lava tubes of the Moon for habitats 😊
It seems to me that inflatable modules like ESA is proposing here would be great inside of lunar lava tubes would be great. More international cooperation in space is always a win-win. 👍
@@bbartky You are not Wrong
it's either expansion in space
or conflicts on earth
Why do you think that
These new challenges require new technologies that will befit all of us.
Cool! Will there be Eagles too ?? I always thought we would have a base there in 1999 ..
I see what you did there. Loved that show, too.
Good design for a moon base. Needs some Eagles, though. ;-)
Martin Landau is a bit past it though isn't he?
@@ptonpc Heh, I'm glad someone picked up on what I was getting at! :)
Can we get a European rocket big enough to actually send people to the Moon before we pretend we will build a base there...
Is Ariane 6 with SUSIE are not going to be able to go with astronauts?
@sp66-know-try-think Well SUSIE is the spacecraft...and the plans are Ariane 64...the larger of the 2 Ariane 6, is going to be able to deliver cargo to the Lunar Gateway and SUSIE. If we consider how efficient has been Ariane 5 why not believe Ariane 6 in its 2 versions are not going to perform as planned
@sp66-know-try-think I understand there is a plan to modify SUZIE to send astronauts to the moon...but I'm not sure..as you said that implies high complexity...specially shields...and I don't know how long will take Ariane 6 to travel to the moon...but I also understand that Suzie can refuel in space
There is no plan for a big rocket in Europe to send people to the moon, hence there is no plan for a lunar lander either, Europe is going to be dependent on SpaceX (Starship) and probably Blue Origin.
Ariane 64 is similar to expendable Falcon 9.
plan upgrade: once starship V1 is ready you can deploy up to 150 tons (LEO) and V2 will carry up to 250 tons. now imagine 20 of them landing on the moon. bring the full base.
What would be nice is an inflatable that when inflated the material reacts to the sunlight and hardens through some chemical process . Of course with larger structures one has to consider the amount of gas needed to inflate it . Maybe the gas itself would become a hard structure when exposed to light . Another thing is the water factor and not just for consumption but for mixing the moon dust to form some kind of cement . Ideally one could find an area where known ice is located and hope the ice is really water and not some other frozen gas to setup a permanent base. The ISS was put together by transporting piece by piece . I suppose a fleet of transports could be used for the initial larger base setup . Interesting stuff. Thanks for the share. :O)
there is no need to harden the surface of the structure. Breathable air at Earth´atmospheric pressure , applies a force of 100KN, or 10metric tons on each square meter. So the inflatable structure is as hard as a car tyre just from the inner air pressure. This is why any habitat structure on the Moon has to be considered as an inflatable structure, even when made of rigid material. The main challenge for the structure is nor weight bearing, but to hold the inner pressure. And in case a structure collapses, the main threat to the inhabitants is not to be crushed under the wiegt of the ceiling, but to have not sufficient air pressure. Their eyes will pop out , blood vessels might explode, lungs might implode, and they will suffocate, before being crushed might be an issue.
You can't use water on the moon for cement, since liquid water can't exist in a vacuum. Water ice sublimes( vaporizes) directly at minus 70°C
It will be very strange seeing an astronaut inside a lunar habitat jumping and landing at a very weird speed, also watching them walking indoors like a kangaroo (the most efficient way, they said)
Don't you think its a bit small for people to live in those constructions?
Derek, is that you?
@@Atheos-1 Who?
@@Dexter101x Derek Zoolander, from the Ben Stiller comedy, Zoolander, about a dimwitted male model.
If you haven't seen it, it's worth the time. ✌️
The types of people who you need on your design teams: North sea oil rig workers and scientists based at the station in Antarctica. Designing these things in nice office buildings might not be optimal.
More important will be to learn how not topple over lunar landers. And maybe hit closer to your intended landing zone than say 10 kilometers...
You guys need to sit down and have a beer with the guy who does videos on the channel, AnthroFuturism.
Seriously. Not even kidding.
Those inflatable habitats and especially the dome at 4:38 min look really good. But I suspect, we will need a space station in orbit of the moon, that provides Earth gravity. The gravity on the moon is too low for a long term stay.
"We will fly out zhere and put a small house on the moon." Dear ESA, maybe try and put a man in earth orbit at a reasonable price some time before the century is out? Thank you.
Aw, the Moon. 😌
Is a Rolls Royce designed nuclear power plant still on the board?
You would also want that extra protection to deal with meteorites.
All we are hearing is talk, talk, talk.. How about lets get this project moving, and getting some test articles on the Lunar surface. Everyone has a plan, but nobody is executing their mission.
Hope this project works. Thanks for the update.
- NOM
all very nice and good, but when wil esa finaly launch a manned rocket of its own
even india is passing us
"This is our masterplan to a permanent moonbase."
"Wow, what scale is that?"
"Scale..?"
Now they just need to invent something that will shrink the Astronauts down to 1 inch tall 😭😭 lol
Great plan! Except didn't you guys pick non-reusable boosters as 'the future'? So how are you going to afford it/be able to lift the material in a cost-effective manner?
The EU isn't even allowed to raise taxes to pay for large projects like this.
I wonder if the ESA would have better funding in a Federal Europe.
Sigh
HA no.
With a european army in the talks a federal Europe seems def plausible, which means a bigger budget for ESA
The need some one to stay there?
Take me !
Wow !!👏
Zoolander would be outraged by the scale. He most definitely would say it needs to be at least 2 times bigger.😂
I think there would need to be an artificial gravity of some sort, for large scale vacation and tourism and brief stays in low gravity. Just from a sanitation perspective. Unless when Hilton Hotels opens their artificial gravity space hotel, unless all the staff are autonomous robots. Ooo I like that idea, now how to spice up amenities... how do you use the three shells? M%$#F&"-÷>
Permanent bases wide the launch window to go to the moon because the desire for a sweet spot will be irrelevant.
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Hey ESA in case if NASA doesn't select me as an astronaut mind if I join you?
Sorry but is bit stupid idea, moon does not have magnetosfere or atmosphere so surfece get pretty bake with all sort of radiation, you got craters and tunnels under surface that make more sense.
The us is going to lay luner regulus on top of the base then use the teeth forming material that will harden from the suns radiation hiting it to protect again radiation.
What is the plan to counter meteorites?
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Gatlings
The huge pile of rock on top of the habitat
If it isn't bigger then a starship passenger haul when its trash.
McMurdo on the Moon?
If your going to put trees in there you need 6 things.
1 seeds.
2 a tree type that naturally doesn't get bigger then 20 feet.
3 have it be a fruit tree as there wood tends to be harder stronger and more flexible then hard woods.
Oh it also provides food.
4 do not use tree seeds man has messed with as there dna is very unstable and there wood is brittle.
5 get kinds that can tolerate low and high temperature swings.
6 get kinds that dont accumulate metals in the tree as the moon dirt dust whatever will make those kinds of tree toxic quickly.
There are many countres had soft landed moon in asian but no country had soft landed on moon in the europe except Soviet Union😥😥😢
from my point of view expenses are higher than the gain, just aim for mars.
What about cosmic radiation
Probably why they are thinking about burying them, huh?
NASA, CNSA, SpaceX, ESA, JSA, BSA, which agency, company will succeed.
Similar to European & Ming China great voyages.
China went to found trade centres, some settlements, Europe had Portugal, Spain royal houses financed these voyages to gain new territory while British, Dutch use CORPORATION to manage empires.
Space colony is NO DIFFERENT.
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The British is behind SpaceX, expect Hong Kong to organise a MOON colony company with a capital of at least $100 billion once the TECHNOLOGIES are better.
Kuantan, Malaya is likely to be the SPACEPORT.
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The moon praying
Humans living on Moon would be cool but what there that would draw the humans to live there? I believe when Humans made the the big leap into space we should create several habitation in space and mine the astroid belt and when Sun reaches it super nova stages and not Human friendly anymore we can save our species and leave.
i likea this idea. i likea it ver much. 😂
Manufacturing for sure, i need people to build large ship parts for building in orbit at ship yards ❤ i want a want halo level ship
These plans sound exciting in theory but none will see the light of day. The EU is going into a recession. There is no way they will have money to spend on space programs.
Typical ESA, Concepts and CGI but not able to fly to the ISS on their own... 🤡🤡
Wait yall went to the moon in the EU? When? 😂😂
Dusting off plans from the early 1970s? Wow. Impressive. (sarcasm)
Can we have a badminton court in the moon
budget only extends to beach volleyball I'm afraid .... 😜
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Allah said earth is flat. We should Stop thinking after reading Qur'an which is saying there is no space for mind in Islam
Allah did not say that. Uneducated man said that
Will you guys have a lab for gender studies ?
Seems like underground is safest because of the dangerous radiation, regolith and the moon geting hit by objects. Insulated safely way underground, with grassy treed parks, running streams, pools, manufactured natrual light for vitamin D, community farming etc. etc.
Safest 100, 200, 300... layer-by-layer 1,000 feet down in ant-like farms, with elevators, thank you very much.
SpaceX Boring, Inc. The Moon Gobbler. "Incoming!" 😂
Can you imagine where we would be if Rome didn't fall...😮 all that advancement we achieved in just 200 years... also you could lunch massive space ships and probes because there is no atmosphere there *LEM
If there is a solar flare, stay in the lava tubes... don't go out being a hero to rescue someone and end up getting both of you over exposed.
Rich gotta rich.
I might be the odd ball here but, I like our beautiful moon. I’m glad to hear about small research outposts and some small refueling stations on the moon but that’s it. I would be sad to see it deformed by a mining industry or mass population. Go to Mars for all that stuff.
Calm down , Universitys on the moon bro yah havent been there for a second time yet why get to over dramatic get there second time in less time first then spend all the tax payers money
This looks good, keep going. But forget about solar panels on the moon. Maybe in a very few special locations perched on the rims of certain south pole craters is there continuous sunlight for power. Everywhere else the lunar nights are 2 weeks long! No way is it a good idea to rely on batteries through 2 weeks of darkness. And no way are we going to have bases that are so extremely limited in location. So get the silly idea of solar power on the moon out of your pretty little heads right now, right from the beginning. It's a very bad idea, just forget about it. For sustained human presence on the moon, nuclear power is the only option. Period.
Not the brightest minds, tho. Why would you offload manufacturing for earth when you can have microgravity in LEO at whatever SpaceX will charge. Much less transport /energy costs. And much simpler.
ESA'S Pipe Dream
Lol, haven't watched, just going off the thumbnail. What a terrible idea. Rockets can cause particles from the moons surface to fly off with enough velocity it can more than circumnavigate the moon. That means anything sticking up like those solar panels will be pelted and damaged.
У вас маркетологи базы планируют, а у нас учёные. Надувные модули и напечатанное на 3D принтере Лего спасут от радиации? Вы базу хотите реальную построить или камеру пыток на Луне?
Not to disparage the ESA but much like europe in general they are pretty much incapable of doing anything of note anymore, it is a back water now.
Lemme guess, American?
European Union please help leverage the US with legal action to force Elon Musk to divest and separate from SpaceX. He's a reprehensible detriment to their cause.
Not on my block! As I told Musk my block of lunar land claim is worth $300 million to his daft Mars venture and every week that he hesitates to see if it really is that pivotal it is going to cost him more! I know he has billions.
if this doesn't happen or even start within the next 5 years i will no longer trust or have faith in the idea of space and space travel and will have to conform to the biblical idea concept that the earth is in fact flat which would be equally as fascinating as the idea of space travel. god or aliens, D-FUND NASA!!!!
🤡🤣 and Mars is communist
"I'd like to know where my tax money is going. While I see little to show for it, there are individuals playing with dolls while agencies like ESA are operating. Has India, for instance, successfully launched mission to the moon, At about $74 million, especially considering their estimated cost is significantly lower than ours Annual budget Increase €7.8 billion ! this dude is playing with batman and catwoman falls trying to make sense where money has been spent!
Preposterous fantasy. There must be money in this nonsense. Fortunately there are no problems needing attention here, so we can turn our gaze to science fiction, and imaginary worlds above the sky.
Do you really think there will ever be a world where there are no problems on earth? It`s a dynamic place, things change all the time. Of course ther will be problems. Now because of that we are not allowed to strive for higher objectives?
Before all of this, European countries have insurmountable problems with economics and immigration. All major economies in Europe have shaky economies and that worries me. Europeans may start fighting each other again if their economies start faltering !!
Why would we. Fighting each other costs much more money then sort problems out.
Also we are heavily demilitarized
After the hideous catastrophes of earthly colonisation and industrialisation, let's do the same thing to the moon! For fuck's sake, who told any of these people the moon was theirs to ruin? I feel such profound disgust at this greed and entitlement. Hope I'm not alone.
Can you please tell me what there is on the moon to ruin?
Please list all the things here.
Rivers? Woodlands? Jungles? Ecosystems?
Oceans?
Thats right, nothing.
And you can't really say "it has its own untouched beauty" when there is nobody there to even see it.
Comparing what we have done on earth to what we would do to completely dead worlds is moronic.
We SHOULD be moving industrialization offworld to dead places like the moon.
Literally what is the problem with that? What could be wrecked on the moon?
"Catastrophes of earthly colonization" dude stfu 😆 🤣 there are no native ecosystems or populations on the moon.
A civilization that decides to stay on their homeworld is destined to die on that homeworld.
🐕💚🍕 dogs like pizza 🤠 like the preacher told the sheriff in "BLAZING SADDLES; SON, YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN"🐕💚🍕 DOGS LIKE PIZZA
The moon is a dead rock with nothing to wreck. There are no native inhabitants or ecosystems.
Please list what we would wreck.
Says the human being, making demands of all the other human beings, on how the Moon isn't theirs...LOL!
Wasted time and resources
Maybe you should find a better hobby than giving your invaluable opinions in UA-cam comment sections?
World is in the shit - economy is crashing - inflation - ukraine - DEI - trans revolution ... we are going to the moon ? Ahahaha really- what pronounce based flag are we going to plant up there 😂🎉
Alr lil bro
You people have no clue what you’re talking about, stuff like this has massive benefits for technological development. It’s funny that you have a problem with this but not the USA spending a trillion dollars a year on its military budget
@@omarbaba9892 buddy - the only reason there is any technological development is the military spending - o ye you know shit
as if ESA would get anywhere near the funding they need for their plans. Even NASA has to fight Congress for its budget, but ESA is worse off, by having to get funding from all its member states, with almost half of it coming from France and Germany alone. Both governments are more interested in European alternatives to already existing solutions (Ariane 6, Galileo) and don't have manned programs - let alone an ESA led moon effort - on their agenda. Sure, they like the odd astronaut visiting the ISS and hitching a ride on Artemis in turn for providing the service module, but that's as far as the publicity goes (if nothing goes wrong). Given an ESA budget of less than 5 bn Euro (almost on par with Japan, and a fifth of what NASA gets to spent annually), there is not a lot that can be done in the first place. An inflatable lunar outpost is beyond what ESA can afford for the foreseeable future. But not to worry, ESA is used to it. Their ambitious ideas for manned projects tend to be overtaken by (fiscal) realities.
They should just declare that Russia is invading ESA, and they need funds to fight back! VOILA!!! 😜
Wouldn't it be easier to put those inflatable habitats inside caverns or lava tubes? Several of those even have slopped entries that would make them more easily accessible. I guess robotic missions should be send to explore them first and see if they would be a good fit for an underground base, which would give the best radiation protection in the "easiest" way possible...
ESA has been looking at these village ideas for a long time. Including working out how to make a concrete material out of the rock along with fusing it into a honeycomb structure to cover the inflatable domes. If the lava tube idea doesn't work, the village can still be built. If the tubes are viable, the same techniques can be used to build inside them,.
@@ptonpc I suppose it's worth exploring both venues yes...
@sp66-know-try-think Oof, that's already heavy duty industrial activities you describe there... At one point you're going to need humans on site to do that I think. Lunar dust is extremely fine and deleterious for any equipment on the surface (as the Apollo missions showed) and those will probably require regular maintenance.
Even if you can imagine agile, heavy duty, vehicles and robots (like the ones of Boston Dynamics) with integrated electrostatic field generation to repel dust (like the future Artemis EVA suits), maintenance and repairs are going to be inevitable. There is no way around it, it's going to be a long process...
I think it's awesome that the South Pole of the moon may one day be a network of human ant colonies... Its just so cool to me!
It would be 1000x more feasible to colonize our own South Pole.
We’re never going back to the moon, friend. You watch. The schedule will slip… and slip… and slip decades into the future. We no longer have the will or technical know-how to pull it off again. Eventually they’ll just fake it with sophisticated AI generated video and de-bank/de-platform/de-life anyone who calls BS.
How’ll it stand against dust?
I'm sure they have thought about that.
"Artemis Accords signatories as of January 2024: Angola, Argentina, Australia, Bahrain, Belgium, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Colombia, Czech Republic, Ecuador, France, Germany, Iceland, India, Israel, Italy, Japan, Luxembourg, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nigeria, Poland, the Republic of Korea, Romania, Rwanda, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Spain, Ukraine, the United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom, and the United States."
did they solve the moon dust accumulation problem then ?
He didn't mention it, but I can see on the model that the space-suits are docked to the outside of the habitat, people can enter the suit through a 'door' on the back and never have to wear it inside, it's a common idea now and will also be used on Mars
How do they protect themselves from asteriods? Those craters are signs that the moon received a lot of them.
It was a long time ago, but yeah risk is not zero
Sorry Europe 🇪🇺 but the Moon belongs to us Americans 🇺🇸 and so does planet Mars it to belongs to us Americans you Europeans are just gonna have to build your base somewhere else maybe on planet Venus perhaps ???
This is an absolutely amazing idea. That will likely be used by SpaceX for some consideration - because ESA has zero chance to make it a reality before the USA, or even SpaceX as a private operator.
SpaceX and Blue Origin are going to make alot of money if NASA and ESA decide to build a base on the moon, they are going to charge ungenerously just to transport the astronauts.
Space X is cheaper than NASA usual contractors by several orders of magnitude
People with really thick accents shouldn't say "Master Plan"....Gives off WW2 Bad Guy Vibes 😂
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Regolith on Mars is said to be poisonous so it doesn't make sense to build a shelter out of it, why doesn't that apply to the moon?
I guess the fact that the moon is full of craters is considered.
This looks so beautiful
0:25 European elon musk
you could use that concrete canvas company to lay the foundations for the base . just roll it out .
Alien Ufo Moon
These would be fun to 3D print