I feel like if they had named it Battle Bond Greninja instead of Ash-Greninja, we would still have that form. It only vaguely looks like Ash, and only in its head fins.
I think it might be moreso because Ash Greninja is basically a pseudo Mega Evolution, its very evocative of that with how it functions. I’m guessing they didn’t want to reference a mechanic no longer in the game.
@@Vlazeca *cough* Mega Salamence dex entry *cough* Picture in Nemona's house *cough* Totally can't be GF being fucking idiots when they haven't fixed their giltchy ass game in almost a year. In all seriousness, I'm hugely biased (as you might have guessed) and it seems nonsensical given the existence of Palafin. And while everyone won't run into performance issues, it's still pretty bad.
@@xx_squirtle8621 Even though in XY the fucking announcer clearly states, "Ash's Greninja.... changed" at least in the dub.But the flashbacks were like "Ash-Greninja who?". So dumb, but kinda funny ngl.
Im just supprised that greninja managed to get back to ou in August. We thought that meowscarada will just replace it but nope, its with greninja in ou.
I honestly felt this nerf was so unnecessary given the existence of Palafin, Cap Pikachu (which invalidates the argument of it being removed because Ash was no longer in the anime) and Roaring Moon's dex entry (which invalidates the argument that Pokemon wants to get rid of anything that even closely resembles Mega Evolution, and some people compare Greninja to a Mega). That said, ignoring Palafin's existence for just a second, it was kinda strong with it's stat changes being something you keep throughout the battle and that can't be hazed. And on top of that, changing it like this could potentially mean we get more mons with Battle Bond, like the other 2 Kalos starters, which I'm all for. So I would've had it where Greninja DOES change it's form, but it doesn't get permanent stat changes, and the ability itself works like post-nerf Battle Bond, just with the aesthetic change. Because the aesthetic change does define the ability IMO. And, of course, if more mons get this new Battle Bond, they would need an aesthetic change to go with it, which the Kalos starters would benefit from. Not saying they're bad by any means, but there's a video by Truegreen7 where he showed how small and subtle changes (I'm talking SMOL changes, like changing the way the fur curves in certain places and a slight change of color) can dramatically improve Pokemon designs and used Delphox to showcase it, which would make it more appealing to a wider audience without butchering them or making them a new Pokemon altogether. Hopefully the picture in Nemona's house could be a teaser to such a change when we finally get the DLCs for SV. If it is, then please buff Water Shuriken while you're at it. Make it more competitive with Palafin's jet punch. Edit: Another reason this nerf felt so dumb, is that it happened after it was voted Pokemon of the Year, only to never come back in Gen 8 at all. But still, despite all that, Greninja came back roaring with vengeance and Battle Bond, right back into OU against all the odds and those who did it wrong. Feels so good, personally.
I think I know why they nerfed Protean: First of all, we have to look back at when they introduced Terastallization, I always thought that Protean (Not nerfed) + Terastallization made it very broken. Terastallization in my opinion sounds like protean but on steroids. So, if they didn't nerf protean it would be like this: A Non-Nerf Greninja with protean can be broken and when it is terastal it could probably make it so that if greninja with a non-nerfed protean + terastal can change its terastal with a different choosing move. However, For Competivite Greninja (Battle Bond) You can try using a physical set greninja that has sword dance. I tried it a few times but, sometimes I think it's based on how you play battle bond greninja with sword dance.
I am one of those who felt that this change to battle bond might not be as bad as people may have thought. +1 to a stat means 50% boost and old battle bond gave flat +50 stats and +10 glat to Spd. Greninja has always been a glass cannon when built as a dps instead of support so might as well just click buttons mindlessly and take as many opponents down before you do so yourself. My justification for battle bond being still good if not better in certain cases is the fact that Greninja's SpA and Spd is higher than 100 so the +1 stage would benefit it more than flat +50. Sure, it is not that good on physical side of things anymore but it was mostly a special attacker in the past and it got buffed. Say what you want, Greninja still cool, in and out of competitve scene to this day.
Thats not how it works If Greninja is fully invested on special attack it have 305 or 335 timid or modest and Bond give 152 and 167 respectively Post battle that actually puts post nerf Battle Bond as base 179 special attack at timid and 186 at modest Base stats formula is "1 base stats = 2 actual stats". Something like Kyogre under Rain(50% boost on base 150) actually is equal to around base 249
everyone : Smogon loves stall ( i don't even Remember why this meme happened) smogon : buffs Greninja and makes him a monster only thing about Greninja now is its 4ms Hpump and ice beam are obbligatory and Dark pulse helps, in the last lost i always find struggling between grass knot, Taunt and water shuriken tho
Yes. Most notable changes: Kingambit is now the king of OU at number one. Iron Moth has gotten far more usage from last month ever since Volcarona got banned. Garchomp is the least used Pokemon in usage stats of OU. I have a sad feeling it’s going to drop next month. Roaring Moon and Ursaluna surprisingly dropped to UU however I wouldn’t be surprised if they get banned from UU. Tyranitar rose from RU to UU.
When they announced Greninja Battle Bond had gotten reworked for Gen 9, I told everybody that it was going to make him a crazy good revenge kill sweeper, and NOBODY believed me
Meanwhile in the official games no one has it because it was a limited mystery gift. 100 percent of the greninjas i fight are protean. So i can't use it i don't own one.
it could be said that it was "Battle Bond" the last resource of greninja to be able to differentiate itself from Hamurott and the cat, being that in spite of its decent special attack, the lifeorb is added, together with the boosteo, only counted pokemon like max spdefense heatran, Clodsire, Amoonguss and even hamurott assault vest, the pokemon plant if or if they will fall of ice beam, grass knok for those other water that could hinder and dark pulse that serves to hit to all the ghosts and psychics that there is, being the only flaw of the fact that we have to if or if we finish with a pokemon, since pokemon like iron valient, meowscarada scarft and faster pokemon can change safely and generate massive damage, or make him ko immediately by their low defenses, but in case of predicting well and finish with someone thanks to the support of Spikes and Stealth Rock (seters like Hamurott or Landorus-T), you can sweep with almost an entire team with many guarantees, incredible...
Gen 9 made original ash-Greninja look balanced as having a free choice scarf+spec boost seems more challenging than handling a pretty strong frog P.S. this is only a joke but it is very strong with that +1 special and speed
They should return ash greninja instead of the current battle bond and also fix protien it’s not cinderace and rework libero to not let cinderace change type but only get stab on all attacks
Bond greninja is a clean up god,when teams are weak greninja shines when the teams are healthy and still have their water checks greninja is dead weight
@@MouldMadeMind battle bond greninja can clean up like no other moms can if the enemy has a mon at low health in the endgame and bond greninja catches that mon it’s game over 95% of the time,invertly when the enemy mobs are at full health greninja is practically dead weight You got it now? Bozo
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Why doesn’t greninja learn scald with the dlc like scald would make sense as it’s just hydro pump more accurate less damage with burn
@@barbjones461surf is stronger anyways and most water types lost scald
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The biggest nerf to battle bond is how we don't get that cool looking Ash Greninja anymore
I feel like if they had named it Battle Bond Greninja instead of Ash-Greninja, we would still have that form. It only vaguely looks like Ash, and only in its head fins.
Honestly just keep it all together in rememberance of Ash, the character who helped the franchise
I think it might be moreso because Ash Greninja is basically a pseudo Mega Evolution, its very evocative of that with how it functions. I’m guessing they didn’t want to reference a mechanic no longer in the game.
@@Vlazeca *cough* Mega Salamence dex entry *cough* Picture in Nemona's house *cough* Totally can't be GF being fucking idiots when they haven't fixed their giltchy ass game in almost a year.
In all seriousness, I'm hugely biased (as you might have guessed) and it seems nonsensical given the existence of Palafin. And while everyone won't run into performance issues, it's still pretty bad.
What’s funny is that in anime flashbacks, apparently EVERY battle bond Greninja looks the same.
@@xx_squirtle8621 Even though in XY the fucking announcer clearly states, "Ash's Greninja.... changed" at least in the dub.But the flashbacks were like "Ash-Greninja who?". So dumb, but kinda funny ngl.
Scarlet and Violet not taking away something cool challenge. Impossible difficulty.
Im just supprised that greninja managed to get back to ou in August. We thought that meowscarada will just replace it but nope, its with greninja in ou.
The frog Hokkage Will not bow down to that 😅
Honestly, as someone who was a fan of Greninja back during the Gen 6/Gen 7 era. This makes me smile that it's still good.
Why would a physical pivot replace a specs breaker/sweeper?
@@雪者 same my guy
and Actually Greninja has now more usage than Meow, Just because Battle Bond has made him a monster
I honestly felt this nerf was so unnecessary given the existence of Palafin, Cap Pikachu (which invalidates the argument of it being removed because Ash was no longer in the anime) and Roaring Moon's dex entry (which invalidates the argument that Pokemon wants to get rid of anything that even closely resembles Mega Evolution, and some people compare Greninja to a Mega).
That said, ignoring Palafin's existence for just a second, it was kinda strong with it's stat changes being something you keep throughout the battle and that can't be hazed. And on top of that, changing it like this could potentially mean we get more mons with Battle Bond, like the other 2 Kalos starters, which I'm all for.
So I would've had it where Greninja DOES change it's form, but it doesn't get permanent stat changes, and the ability itself works like post-nerf Battle Bond, just with the aesthetic change. Because the aesthetic change does define the ability IMO. And, of course, if more mons get this new Battle Bond, they would need an aesthetic change to go with it, which the Kalos starters would benefit from. Not saying they're bad by any means, but there's a video by Truegreen7 where he showed how small and subtle changes (I'm talking SMOL changes, like changing the way the fur curves in certain places and a slight change of color) can dramatically improve Pokemon designs and used Delphox to showcase it, which would make it more appealing to a wider audience without butchering them or making them a new Pokemon altogether.
Hopefully the picture in Nemona's house could be a teaser to such a change when we finally get the DLCs for SV. If it is, then please buff Water Shuriken while you're at it. Make it more competitive with Palafin's jet punch.
Edit: Another reason this nerf felt so dumb, is that it happened after it was voted Pokemon of the Year, only to never come back in Gen 8 at all. But still, despite all that, Greninja came back roaring with vengeance and Battle Bond, right back into OU against all the odds and those who did it wrong. Feels so good, personally.
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Battle bond already worked as intended before he was sent to UU, for some reason he ended up rising again.
I hope they do a gift give away or a certain special ability patch that let's us get it instead of a gen or home
Maybe in DLC 2 when Greninja would be allowed in the official meta
@@DJ-0 we will see, hopefully
I think I know why they nerfed Protean:
First of all, we have to look back at when they introduced Terastallization, I always thought that Protean (Not nerfed) + Terastallization made it very broken. Terastallization in my opinion sounds like protean but on steroids. So, if they didn't nerf protean it would be like this: A Non-Nerf Greninja with protean can be broken and when it is terastal it could probably make it so that if greninja with a non-nerfed protean + terastal can change its terastal with a different choosing move.
However, For Competivite Greninja (Battle Bond)
You can try using a physical set greninja that has sword dance. I tried it a few times but, sometimes I think it's based on how you play battle bond greninja with sword dance.
I am one of those who felt that this change to battle bond might not be as bad as people may have thought. +1 to a stat means 50% boost and old battle bond gave flat +50 stats and +10 glat to Spd. Greninja has always been a glass cannon when built as a dps instead of support so might as well just click buttons mindlessly and take as many opponents down before you do so yourself. My justification for battle bond being still good if not better in certain cases is the fact that Greninja's SpA and Spd is higher than 100 so the +1 stage would benefit it more than flat +50. Sure, it is not that good on physical side of things anymore but it was mostly a special attacker in the past and it got buffed.
Say what you want, Greninja still cool, in and out of competitve scene to this day.
Thats not how it works
If Greninja is fully invested on special attack it have 305 or 335 timid or modest and Bond give 152 and 167 respectively
Post battle that actually puts post nerf Battle Bond as base 179 special attack at timid and 186 at modest
Base stats formula is "1 base stats = 2 actual stats". Something like Kyogre under Rain(50% boost on base 150) actually is equal to around base 249
@@screwtokaiba Also the biggest part. It doesn't keep those stat boosts when switched out and back in again
gren is the 14th most used mon ssomehow
I love Gren in rain, been using modest water shuriken since battle bond dropped!
Kinda intrigued to try that Greninja team, drop a list?
as much as you can run modest timid is best to outspeed iron valiant
Idk i just use a expert belt set because i dont want be locked into a move or take recoil damage
everyone : Smogon loves stall ( i don't even Remember why this meme happened)
smogon : buffs Greninja and makes him a monster
only thing about Greninja now is its 4ms
Hpump and ice beam are obbligatory and Dark pulse helps, in the last lost i always find struggling between grass knot, Taunt and water shuriken tho
Is the Smogon Tierlist of August released ?
Yes.
Most notable changes:
Kingambit is now the king of OU at number one.
Iron Moth has gotten far more usage from last month ever since Volcarona got banned.
Garchomp is the least used Pokemon in usage stats of OU. I have a sad feeling it’s going to drop next month.
Roaring Moon and Ursaluna surprisingly dropped to UU however I wouldn’t be surprised if they get banned from UU.
Tyranitar rose from RU to UU.
When they announced Greninja Battle Bond had gotten reworked for Gen 9, I told everybody that it was going to make him a crazy good revenge kill sweeper, and NOBODY believed me
Loaded dice water shuriken still fun to use
Meanwhile in the official games no one has it because it was a limited mystery gift. 100 percent of the greninjas i fight are protean. So i can't use it i don't own one.
it could be said that it was "Battle Bond" the last resource of greninja to be able to differentiate itself from Hamurott and the cat, being that in spite of its decent special attack, the lifeorb is added, together with the boosteo, only counted pokemon like max spdefense heatran, Clodsire, Amoonguss and even hamurott assault vest, the pokemon plant if or if they will fall of ice beam, grass knok for those other water that could hinder and dark pulse that serves to hit to all the ghosts and psychics that there is, being the only flaw of the fact that we have to if or if we finish with a pokemon, since pokemon like iron valient, meowscarada scarft and faster pokemon can change safely and generate massive damage, or make him ko immediately by their low defenses, but in case of predicting well and finish with someone thanks to the support of Spikes and Stealth Rock (seters like Hamurott or Landorus-T), you can sweep with almost an entire team with many guarantees, incredible...
Wait, why did Greninja get great again after Battle Bond got nerfed?
They could've at least made battle bond reusable instead of just once per battle
How to get battle bond in sv?
Currently you can't. You need to transfer a greninja that already has it.
You have to transfer a Battle Bond Greninja from one of the Gen 7 Titles right now (after getting it from S/M's special demo).
Gen 9 made original ash-Greninja look balanced as having a free choice scarf+spec boost seems more challenging than handling a pretty strong frog
P.S. this is only a joke but it is very strong with that +1 special and speed
Actually faster and stronger than ash greninja
@@lisandroiribarne1141that is until you switch out. Still, it's overall worse due to not being as spammable.
@@insertnamehere658 completely agree
They should return ash greninja instead of the current battle bond and also fix protien it’s not cinderace and rework libero to not let cinderace change type but only get stab on all attacks
No
I still prefer Protean over Battle Bond
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Its still uu in doubles lol
Ash-grenija is not canon
Bond greninja is a clean up god,when teams are weak greninja shines when the teams are healthy and still have their water checks greninja is dead weight
Can you say that again but in coherent?
@@MouldMadeMind battle bond greninja can clean up like no other moms can if the enemy has a mon at low health in the endgame and bond greninja catches that mon it’s game over 95% of the time,invertly when the enemy mobs are at full health greninja is practically dead weight
You got it now? Bozo
@@pokeyourmom7070I think it was an impolite way of implying you could do with more punctuation to break up your sentences, to help others understand what you're saying