In my opinion, Obsidian created a masterpiece with KOTOR 2 The clip shows how much dark side is the overall mood/tone of the entire game. If KOTOR 1 could be considered a A New Hope, then KOTOR 2 is the Empire Strikes Back version.
From the context of a trilogy this makes sense! Kotor 2 is waaay darker than the first one. The sequel asks questions about the jedi and their connection to the force and gives out weird, scary shit answers. Kinda like asking someone what they had for breakfast and the person answers “school children”.
It would have been a masterpiece, the best Star Wars game ever, if they had been allowed to finish it. The published game was still very good, but also flawed.
@@HappyCatholicDane even in the first playthrough when I was a teenager. HK talking about a robot factory that it seems like the PC could visit at one point, which was impossible no matter how many dialogue option routes you took seemed off. But it was clear from then, before we learned the news behind the scenes, that the game was missing something.
Classic Obsidian attention to detail for if you lose. Winning the fight but losing in the cutscene is one of the worst things in games, so, I always appreciate when either outcome is accounted for.
This reflects a lot on Sion's character. It seems that he hates everyone, and blames people for his horrific condition, so in a twisted form of revenge, he wants to torture other people to the point of reflecting his own agony. Too many people overlook how detailed the writing is for the Triumvirate, with so much depth going into making them all unique in their own ways, and having clear thoughts and ideas of their own, which are reflected in what they do. Sion in particular just could have been a horror show, or a supervillain somewhat like the Joker.
If it weren't for the ratings, Sion would have been the most frightening, unsettling and nightmare inducing character ever to be in a Star Wars video game. To see this actual disfigured and mutilated Undead man hounding and hunting for you, to see his way of handiwork of butchering the misfortunate beings, such as the Jedi he had slain during the Wars and after, and the Republic Soldiers he had hounded and graphically murdered on the Harbinger, would do more than just send chills down your spine, he will make you lose a couple of nights of sleep. To see Atton be made a mirror of Sion, would be a real Horror Movie, double so for those who actually love Atton.
@@Colonel-Cornelius-CornJulio Exactly. I like Sion becaue he's well-written and so unususal for a Sith, but the way he handles his victims is enough to make him nightmarish, and even with Nihilus being a bigger threat, Sion would have been way worse just because of how brutal he is.
@@UnswimmingFishYT “Nihilus is the bigger threat” (To add on to your point:) Perhaps in terms of potential scale of evil, but there’s something more unnerving about how personal Traya and Sion are-Nihlus is more a force of nature than a true personality, which makes sense in terms of theming. At first, as Kreia points out, it seems Nihlus is the most powerful of the three, but you realize this ostensible power is actually a manifestation of weakness. The other two, between Sion’s unyielding brutality and Traya’s conniving, represent a greater personal danger to the main character *because* they are less awesome wielders of mass destruction, so they act with greater precision to harm.
@@warlordofbritannia That's certainly true about Nihilus having the least care about who who he targets, but if left unchecked, he may have been the most dangerous threat to life as a whole in Star Wars. The only thing I can find anywhere which could compare to him and potentially stop him if he'd had time to feed more would be Abeloth, and it's hard to be sure what would happen if those two had any encounter. Maybe Nihilus could absorb her power and be truly unbeatable, or maybe she'd kill him, being so much stronger than normal force users. I think that in particular would come down to just how much feeding Nihilus managed to do before finding Abeloth, with the winner being decided by when they meet, as his potential to keep gaining more power over time could possibly have outmatched even her, but if she found him the way we see him in KOTOR, he probably wouldn't have even a chance.
Come to think of it, it's an irony of a sort. Atton has also tortured Jedi when he was apart of the Sith, but to be then tortured years down the row, by Sion who is much more worse to be tortured by than what he (Atton) has done to the Jedi under his captivity, is not only poetic justice for his past, but a much more crueler punishment and fate, since he has given up and deserted the Sith due the suspicion that he would too be sent to a facility to be tortured and made into a Dark Jedi himself, but he was also atoning for what he has done by helping the Exile. Amongst all the agony that he has endured, I cannot help but imagine that once the torture had finally stopped and Atton was crawling his way to Trayus Core to meet the Exile, he was thinking about all of the people and that one Jedi Woman who had sacrificed herself to keep him safe in the end was in vane. Not because that he had be tortured in order to be made a Dark Jedi, but to be tortured by Sion to be made a mirror to Sion. 10 times worse than he had done with Jedi.
Interesting perspective. I loved Atton and his ability as a regular man to resist force mind tricks/reading has since been canonized. It’s like in ObiWan Leia asks Reva if they’re having a staring contest. As she effortless blocks a Jedi like Reva from her mind without realizing it.
@@ericgrimes341 The only difference here is that Atton was trained to empty his mind and focus on something else in order to make himself elusive to the Jedi he is hunting, whilst Leia was probably naturally born with it, I guess.. but was she counting Pazaak when Reva was trying to read her? Or maybe Leia was just born with HDD, so she is a natural? XD
@@Colonel-Cornelius-CornJulio Both characters are force sensitive. It's like you said, the difference is that Atton was trained. To be more specific, trained to sharpen a skill he apparently was already manifesting. Likewise, Leia was also manifesting "considerable" resistance to Darth Vader's mind probe with the drug needle, during the events of the original Star Wars (A New Hope), and debatably, having already done the same 9 years prior, with Reva. Of course, Reva's significantly less powerful than Vader, although Leia faced Reva when she was younger, so maybe the threat levels were similar to Leia, at those 2 times in her life. Either way, the force usually manifests in a person, which is usually how they are discovered to be force sensitive. Many characters are not just randomly tested for force sensitivity, although they are characters in SW material that are.
Never thought about how Atton could've been the next Lord of Pain in the same way Atris could've been the next Darth Traya. Great catch! Plus love your exile voice!
@@maaaaaap when you kill a Jedi Master you still absord his life force so i think the possibility of the Exile to become an another Nihilus isn't out of the question
What about the path when Atton becomes a Jedi? He tells the player that he was a sith assassin if you gain enough influence with him. So that must change this too.
@@DarkLOREDash just did this recently in a canon female light side playthrough, Jedi Atton , lost to Scion... same exact scene and dialogue you just showed. His prior admission changes nothing.
I actually got this on my first playthrough, the game glitched and I didn't get the fight, but came upon atton dying after defeating kreia. Worked better the second time and atton survived.
Darn, I got the same thing! I was convinced that his death was scripted. Until today, I never knew that you fight Sion as Atton with the mod. Now, I know the truth.
I’ve never played a game that deserved a proper remake more than this one. KOTOR I was so good on its own that it doesn’t really need a remake, other than for maybe updating the graphics. KOTOR II was so clearly unfinished, though. I’d kill to see the gameplay balanced out, side quests added back in, more dialogue with your crew, and just the whole vision of what the developers wanted. I can literally picture how amazing some of these scenes would be with modern animation and editing. I’d lose my mind if a good studio got ahold of the rights.
@@Triunity4 No, I'm pretty sure I meant what I said. The KOTOR games are so old I don't think they're worth a remaster anymore. At this point it'd be both easier and more worthwhile to rebuild the entire game from scratch, address everything that was unfinished, and breathe some fresh life into the franchise, rather than simply porting every asset to a new engine and masking what exists without any changes. Remasters work better for games that are only a few years old, not several decades removed from current technology. Between Kotor's gameplay, basic animations, and world builds, (remember-- remasters don't change any of those) I doubt a remaster would appeal much to modern audiences, or even look normal (Thinking super realistic textures on those low-poly faces. Weird). Of course, a full remake always has the potential to go terribly wrong if you put the wrong people in charge. I said that Kotor II deserves a remake more than Kotor I, because Kotor I is perfectly fine as it is. Messing around with it could be disastrous if they decide to start adding and subtracting things as they rebuild it (and they certainly will). But Kotor II was left with so much unfinished that a ground-up remake could only stand to realize the full potential of the game, rather than ruin it.
This happened to me the first time I played the game. I remember losing to Sion as Atton, and I remember thinking ok, I'm just gonna get a game-over here and it'll let me try again. NOPE LOL. Oh well, lesson learned the hard way.
AHHHH HOW COULD THEY DO THIS??? Even just as a failed outcome battle, it’s SO messed up! I’m glad my Atton didn’t even come close to losing that last fight.
Kotor 1 has Bastilla being tortured on screen by Malak, so I don't think that there being on-screen torture in and off itself was the reason for the cut. Maybe the nature of the torture, but I think it was probably just the time-crunch that made them cut out so many other things. After all this would have required custom visual assets to do properly too, which means even more time investment and so on.
Unrelated, but Star Wars Bounty hunter (which came out around the same time) has alternate ending cutscenes if you die during the final two boss battles
There's also ones for Mira for if she dies or lives fighting Hanharr on Malachor. There's also a Hanharr plot on Malachor if you go Dark Side on Nar Shaddaa, but I've never seen what happens if you lose to Mira there because Hanharr is so OP (and I'm not going back to find out because I can't stand how idiotic some of the DS choices are, it makes you feel like you're playing some sort of psychotic clown rather than a pragmatic or cold evil Sith Lord)...
I feel like the female vision on him dying might match the MMO more I feel like she would have more a drive to head to the edge of space to fight more 🤔
Im actually glad there wasn't a disfigured atton. This leaves it open ended. Who knows what Sion did to him, all tortures aren't physical. He might have stuck atton just once. Who knows.
Kotor 2 continues to surprise me. I've played it multiple times through the years. Xbox, 360, and I just did on the X1. I need to try with the extra content.
you will never go back to it without the restored content mod, it adds so many little things and makes the game go from good but a little incomplete to great and basically finished.
Hahaha Traya having specific put downs for everyone that targets what they hate most about themselves. Then Atton "Dumbass" She just has no time for him at all. See's him as the Jar Jar of her story
Ironically, I finally finished the game yesterday, and your video showed up on my feed. Yeah, this was the finale I got. I can't imagine Atton being able to beat Darth Sion. He was too powerful for me when I tried. I dunno, maybe I didn't have Atton equipped properly or something.
Iirc it wasn't too bad if you make him a Sith/Jedi, he has a suspicious amount of Feats that make him pretty good for lightsaber dueling if you're not doing the whole "Make every gun OP as hell" method of getting through the game.
Darth nihilus wasn't able to finish Darth Sion bur Atton find the solution : killng Darth Sion with blasters like indiana jones against sarrasin joke hell
That’s why you have to turn him into a Jedi. I could never beat Sion with blasters, but I could as a Jedi. Might’ve been the developers intention with the subplot of turning Atton into a Jedi.
@@hadik3371 Haha that’s the only way I beat the first boss in KOTOR1. What a cheese way to do it. Just use the command cheats and sup up your guys if you’re gonna cheese. 😆
I wouldn't say it's some miracle if Atton beats Sion. Granted, if Atton is made into a Jedi, it's considerably easier. In any case, this is a neat idea and it shows the tremendous amount of thought which went into the game's writing.
There’s a glitch avatar at the main menu screen for Kotor 2. I’ve only seen it for playing on the switch port of the game. The character looks almost like he described stitched together with scars and such
Perhaps an unpopular opinion: that last bit of Atton tagging along with the Exile into the Unknown Regions is one of the parts that should have remained un-restored; the whole point of going into the dark to seek out and help Revan is that one must go alone with no one but the necessary T3. So, in a way, I prefer this ending to Arron’s arc (especially for a FemExile) as it’s the most realistic and thematically fitting conclusion that the game was building towards-just like that unknown Jedi died to save Atton, the former Sith assassin would give his life to preserve that of the Jedi he loved. Bittersweet, no?
Anything on Mira? She was my favorite. I turned into a Jedi, gave her a double sided orange lightsaber with the force shriek ability. Always give any Jedi I make one dark side power.
I thought Sion was persuaded into SPOILERS Giving up clinging onto life through his Rage if Meetra Surik persuaded him that his Quest for Vengeance left him hollow.
Sort of like how, if you fail one particular mission in Wing Commander III, the game continues with your side slowly losing the war. I wish more games had features like that.
I wasn’t even sure it was possible not to die. It’s a scion until I finish the game, and I deleted that save. I finished it a few days ago and now I feel terrible. I can’t get that safe back so I just need to restart the game. It doesn’t matter. He will be saved. He will leave Malachor V.
Do you think you can show off the "Atton turns on your crew and fights the Principle" part? Same for the "The Handmaiden betrays you and fights Visas Marr"?
And he can also be killed by the Exile, which I did in the penultimate playthrough... how was that... unpleasant( Atton kills Mical out of jealousy and then attacked the Exile when she caught him in the act.
I remember having a blast dueling against sion and nihlus, 2 badass sith lords. Kreia was cool too but sion reminded me of maul and nihlus reminded me of vader.
hope the remake will be at obsidian level, because this is the best video game ever, and if they had all the time they needed he cold be again way more better
I don’t understand how I play on Xbox and I’m close to the ending. They beg me for help to go back to the second level of the game and when I go there it’s froze. I can’t do anything.
Bro i did not even know this. I always run either a jedi Atton Build or a Blaster Jedi Atton build so i always win against Sion. Seriously Master speed + Master rapid shot and boom. Sion is downed.
So I made it to right outside the temple on malachor but when I go in the load screen won't finish loading it will hit a certain point and then the loading just stops and will stay like that I play on the backward compatible version on Xbox if it matters and also I assume I have to start a new game unless there is some way i can get it to work
Are you sure this was cut? This sounds VERY familiar. It has been over a decade since I played this on the 360, but I did so dozens of times trying to find secrets, and this is VERY VERY familiar.
@@r.mariano8118 oh that's cool. Admitedly I've only ever seen the cutscene. I've gotten as far as koriban. And given how everything up to that point played out and how gloomy KotoR 2 was I assumed she killed them.
While I love the restored content mod, I absolutely abhor the droid planet section. The premise is certainly fresh and interesting, but the execution was just so poor. Endless backtracking and ugly world design. I understand it was unfinished but still.
i wish the switch versions had the cut content...don't get me wrong i think its a good port but its just as buggy of a mess as it always was, they didn't even up grade the stability
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In my opinion, Obsidian created a masterpiece with KOTOR 2 The clip shows how much dark side is the overall mood/tone of the entire game. If KOTOR 1 could be considered a A New Hope, then KOTOR 2 is the Empire Strikes Back version.
From the context of a trilogy this makes sense! Kotor 2 is waaay darker than the first one. The sequel asks questions about the jedi and their connection to the force and gives out weird, scary shit answers. Kinda like asking someone what they had for breakfast and the person answers “school children”.
I agree. No Star Wars piece of content makes a Star Wars connoisseur actually ‘think’ about the force, and a PC place in it.
It would have been a masterpiece, the best Star Wars game ever, if they had been allowed to finish it. The published game was still very good, but also flawed.
@@HappyCatholicDane even in the first playthrough when I was a teenager. HK talking about a robot factory that it seems like the PC could visit at one point, which was impossible no matter how many dialogue option routes you took seemed off. But it was clear from then, before we learned the news behind the scenes, that the game was missing something.
Quoted from Reddit but yes
Classic Obsidian attention to detail for if you lose. Winning the fight but losing in the cutscene is one of the worst things in games, so, I always appreciate when either outcome is accounted for.
This reflects a lot on Sion's character. It seems that he hates everyone, and blames people for his horrific condition, so in a twisted form of revenge, he wants to torture other people to the point of reflecting his own agony. Too many people overlook how detailed the writing is for the Triumvirate, with so much depth going into making them all unique in their own ways, and having clear thoughts and ideas of their own, which are reflected in what they do. Sion in particular just could have been a horror show, or a supervillain somewhat like the Joker.
If it weren't for the ratings, Sion would have been the most frightening, unsettling and nightmare inducing character ever to be in a Star Wars video game. To see this actual disfigured and mutilated Undead man hounding and hunting for you, to see his way of handiwork of butchering the misfortunate beings, such as the Jedi he had slain during the Wars and after, and the Republic Soldiers he had hounded and graphically murdered on the Harbinger, would do more than just send chills down your spine, he will make you lose a couple of nights of sleep.
To see Atton be made a mirror of Sion, would be a real Horror Movie, double so for those who actually love Atton.
@@Colonel-Cornelius-CornJulio Exactly. I like Sion becaue he's well-written and so unususal for a Sith, but the way he handles his victims is enough to make him nightmarish, and even with Nihilus being a bigger threat, Sion would have been way worse just because of how brutal he is.
Truly villainous behavior, to turn others into similar monstrosities out of some sick feeling of jealousy and/or self-hatred
@@UnswimmingFishYT
“Nihilus is the bigger threat”
(To add on to your point:)
Perhaps in terms of potential scale of evil, but there’s something more unnerving about how personal Traya and Sion are-Nihlus is more a force of nature than a true personality, which makes sense in terms of theming. At first, as Kreia points out, it seems Nihlus is the most powerful of the three, but you realize this ostensible power is actually a manifestation of weakness.
The other two, between Sion’s unyielding brutality and Traya’s conniving, represent a greater personal danger to the main character *because* they are less awesome wielders of mass destruction, so they act with greater precision to harm.
@@warlordofbritannia That's certainly true about Nihilus having the least care about who who he targets, but if left unchecked, he may have been the most dangerous threat to life as a whole in Star Wars. The only thing I can find anywhere which could compare to him and potentially stop him if he'd had time to feed more would be Abeloth, and it's hard to be sure what would happen if those two had any encounter. Maybe Nihilus could absorb her power and be truly unbeatable, or maybe she'd kill him, being so much stronger than normal force users. I think that in particular would come down to just how much feeding Nihilus managed to do before finding Abeloth, with the winner being decided by when they meet, as his potential to keep gaining more power over time could possibly have outmatched even her, but if she found him the way we see him in KOTOR, he probably wouldn't have even a chance.
Come to think of it, it's an irony of a sort. Atton has also tortured Jedi when he was apart of the Sith, but to be then tortured years down the row, by Sion who is much more worse to be tortured by than what he (Atton) has done to the Jedi under his captivity, is not only poetic justice for his past, but a much more crueler punishment and fate, since he has given up and deserted the Sith due the suspicion that he would too be sent to a facility to be tortured and made into a Dark Jedi himself, but he was also atoning for what he has done by helping the Exile.
Amongst all the agony that he has endured, I cannot help but imagine that once the torture had finally stopped and Atton was crawling his way to Trayus Core to meet the Exile, he was thinking about all of the people and that one Jedi Woman who had sacrificed herself to keep him safe in the end was in vane. Not because that he had be tortured in order to be made a Dark Jedi, but to be tortured by Sion to be made a mirror to Sion. 10 times worse than he had done with Jedi.
Interesting perspective. I loved Atton and his ability as a regular man to resist force mind tricks/reading has since been canonized.
It’s like in ObiWan Leia asks Reva if they’re having a staring contest. As she effortless blocks a Jedi like Reva from her mind without realizing it.
@@ericgrimes341 The only difference here is that Atton was trained to empty his mind and focus on something else in order to make himself elusive to the Jedi he is hunting, whilst Leia was probably naturally born with it, I guess.. but was she counting Pazaak when Reva was trying to read her? Or maybe Leia was just born with HDD, so she is a natural? XD
Great points! I never thought of this
@@Colonel-Cornelius-CornJulio Both characters are force sensitive. It's like you said, the difference is that Atton was trained. To be more specific, trained to sharpen a skill he apparently was already manifesting.
Likewise, Leia was also manifesting "considerable" resistance to Darth Vader's mind probe with the drug needle, during the events of the original Star Wars (A New Hope), and debatably, having already done the same 9 years prior, with Reva. Of course, Reva's significantly less powerful than Vader, although Leia faced Reva when she was younger, so maybe the threat levels were similar to Leia, at those 2 times in her life.
Either way, the force usually manifests in a person, which is usually how they are discovered to be force sensitive. Many characters are not just randomly tested for force sensitivity, although they are characters in SW material that are.
I thought I was done having beat Kotor 2 twice yet now...the force summons me back too experience the story again and all because of this video
Twice? You need at least 4-5 times
twice? bruh
I've beaten it like 50-80 times now during the last 15 years and somehow I still find content I've previously missed somehow
you too eh ...
Lol I have 4 lightside runs with variation, currently on my DS run and it's taking everything in me to be bad😭
twice?
only twice?
I played every character combination twice (LS and DS) before I started to play for fun.
Never thought about how Atton could've been the next Lord of Pain in the same way Atris could've been the next Darth Traya. Great catch! Plus love your exile voice!
Does that mean the exile could've been the next Nihilus?
Exile could have become like Nihilus, but only before the game began
@@maaaaaap when you kill a Jedi Master you still absord his life force so i think the possibility of the Exile to become an another Nihilus isn't out of the question
@@maaaaaap Exile and Nihilus are mirror images of each other. They both "feed" on the force of others through the wound in the force.
Yeah he should be the voice actor for the male exile in remake 🙂
Buddy your lore videos are top notch. I couldn't ask for better in depth analysis on these games.
Thank you, kindly! I actually stumbled upon something I believe will change how people look at the game...
What about the path when Atton becomes a Jedi? He tells the player that he was a sith assassin if you gain enough influence with him. So that must change this too.
Probably his admission, yes. If he's darkside he will face off against Mical
@@DarkLOREDash just did this recently in a canon female light side playthrough, Jedi Atton , lost to Scion... same exact scene and dialogue you just showed. His prior admission changes nothing.
@@SA80TAGESion*👍🏻
@@SA80TAGE Does someone play FFXIV?
Yeah you can definitely take Sion down fairly easily if you make him a Jedi
I didn't let Sion win...he beat my ass lol
the fact i always lose to sion means i didnt know i could win lol
With rapid fire and a lot of running away for healing you can handle him, even tough it takes some time.
I actually got this on my first playthrough, the game glitched and I didn't get the fight, but came upon atton dying after defeating kreia. Worked better the second time and atton survived.
Darn, I got the same thing! I was convinced that his death was scripted. Until today, I never knew that you fight Sion as Atton with the mod. Now, I know the truth.
Either I downloaded a mod list that a masochist created or I sucked at this game so much that I got this "rare" ending for Atton.
I got this on my first playthrough. God I was not prepared for it.
I get this ending by the accident.
Whoever balanced restorted content material is insane
I’ve never played a game that deserved a proper remake more than this one. KOTOR I was so good on its own that it doesn’t really need a remake, other than for maybe updating the graphics. KOTOR II was so clearly unfinished, though. I’d kill to see the gameplay balanced out, side quests added back in, more dialogue with your crew, and just the whole vision of what the developers wanted. I can literally picture how amazing some of these scenes would be with modern animation and editing. I’d lose my mind if a good studio got ahold of the rights.
If the KOTOR 1 Remake is a success, you can be assured that KOTOR II will be hot on the heels.
God I hope not. They’d change some nuance in the writing, and the echo would break everything that makes the game a masterpiece, even unfinished.
classic games dont deserve a remake. it deserves a remaster. not an entirely new take on the game. learn the difference
@@Triunity4 No, I'm pretty sure I meant what I said. The KOTOR games are so old I don't think they're worth a remaster anymore. At this point it'd be both easier and more worthwhile to rebuild the entire game from scratch, address everything that was unfinished, and breathe some fresh life into the franchise, rather than simply porting every asset to a new engine and masking what exists without any changes. Remasters work better for games that are only a few years old, not several decades removed from current technology. Between Kotor's gameplay, basic animations, and world builds, (remember-- remasters don't change any of those) I doubt a remaster would appeal much to modern audiences, or even look normal (Thinking super realistic textures on those low-poly faces. Weird). Of course, a full remake always has the potential to go terribly wrong if you put the wrong people in charge. I said that Kotor II deserves a remake more than Kotor I, because Kotor I is perfectly fine as it is. Messing around with it could be disastrous if they decide to start adding and subtracting things as they rebuild it (and they certainly will). But Kotor II was left with so much unfinished that a ground-up remake could only stand to realize the full potential of the game, rather than ruin it.
@@AC-th4ci With the people currently at the helm of Star Wars, I think its safer to hope KOTOR is left alone...
This happened to me the first time I played the game. I remember losing to Sion as Atton, and I remember thinking ok, I'm just gonna get a game-over here and it'll let me try again. NOPE LOL. Oh well, lesson learned the hard way.
AHHHH HOW COULD THEY DO THIS??? Even just as a failed outcome battle, it’s SO messed up! I’m glad my Atton didn’t even come close to losing that last fight.
We could never appreciate how good no sry perfect are kotor 1 and 2
Kotor 1 has Bastilla being tortured on screen by Malak, so I don't think that there being on-screen torture in and off itself was the reason for the cut. Maybe the nature of the torture, but I think it was probably just the time-crunch that made them cut out so many other things. After all this would have required custom visual assets to do properly too, which means even more time investment and so on.
Unrelated, but Star Wars Bounty hunter (which came out around the same time) has alternate ending cutscenes if you die during the final two boss battles
There's also ones for Mira for if she dies or lives fighting Hanharr on Malachor. There's also a Hanharr plot on Malachor if you go Dark Side on Nar Shaddaa, but I've never seen what happens if you lose to Mira there because Hanharr is so OP (and I'm not going back to find out because I can't stand how idiotic some of the DS choices are, it makes you feel like you're playing some sort of psychotic clown rather than a pragmatic or cold evil Sith Lord)...
"Disturbing scene"
Or you know, as disturbing as it can be with 2004 graphics.
I feel like the female vision on him dying might match the MMO more I feel like she would have more a drive to head to the edge of space to fight more 🤔
Im actually glad there wasn't a disfigured atton. This leaves it open ended. Who knows what Sion did to him, all tortures aren't physical. He might have stuck atton just once. Who knows.
he specifically mentions his now ugly appearance matching his interior... he was definitely disfigured even if we never saw it. Sorry lol
I loved turning Atton into a Jedi.
I'm glad you have been putting this out. I just finished Kotor 1 and 2 this month
How can I get Atton to lose when I hoard enough mines to make the death Star explosion look tiny?
kotor 2 is kinda like Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines, everytime someone mentions it, another person goes and redownloads it
Drat. Now I have to go download VTM:B again
@@johnnelson4411 we got another one
There are so many things in these games that I thought I uncovered but didn't.
Obsidian created one of the most iconic and one of the most powerfull Sithlord of all time. Darth Nihilus. Unique in all SW.
Kotor 2 continues to surprise me. I've played it multiple times through the years. Xbox, 360, and I just did on the X1. I need to try with the extra content.
you will never go back to it without the restored content mod, it adds so many little things and makes the game go from good but a little incomplete to great and basically finished.
Hahaha Traya having specific put downs for everyone that targets what they hate most about themselves. Then Atton
"Dumbass"
She just has no time for him at all. See's him as the Jar Jar of her story
"And I get the fool"
Ironically, I finally finished the game yesterday, and your video showed up on my feed. Yeah, this was the finale I got. I can't imagine Atton being able to beat Darth Sion. He was too powerful for me when I tried. I dunno, maybe I didn't have Atton equipped properly or something.
Iirc it wasn't too bad if you make him a Sith/Jedi, he has a suspicious amount of Feats that make him pretty good for lightsaber dueling if you're not doing the whole "Make every gun OP as hell" method of getting through the game.
Turn Atton into a Jedi and he can beat Sion easily.
You can turn him into a jedi, depending on the order you do the planets Atom becomes insanely powerful.
@@efxnews4776 Wow! I had no idea that he could become a Jedi.
@@jeffreyraia5804 Atton, Bao Dur, Disciple, Mira and the Handmaiden can all become Jedi.
It's such a sad ending! The simple line "hurts when I laugh. Hurts." is so strangely upsetting :(
Agreed
Darth nihilus wasn't able to finish Darth Sion bur Atton find the solution : killng Darth Sion with blasters like indiana jones against sarrasin joke hell
That’s why you have to turn him into a Jedi. I could never beat Sion with blasters, but I could as a Jedi.
Might’ve been the developers intention with the subplot of turning Atton into a Jedi.
@@ericgrimes341 You just need a lot of mines to kill Sion as non jedi Atton
@@hadik3371 Haha that’s the only way I beat the first boss in KOTOR1. What a cheese way to do it. Just use the command cheats and sup up your guys if you’re gonna cheese. 😆
Anyone else get Mordin Solus vibes from his speech patterns at the end?
Sion got skills, hoisting up Atton by the neck with his saber still in the same hand.
I got this on my first playthrough. I was not emotionally prepared for it.
Atton reminds me of Ron Wesley
And yet in kotor 1 bastila is tortured by malak
I wouldn't say it's some miracle if Atton beats Sion. Granted, if Atton is made into a Jedi, it's considerably easier. In any case, this is a neat idea and it shows the tremendous amount of thought which went into the game's writing.
This channel will have 1 mil subs in 1-2 years time guaranteed if the quality remains as good as it has been. 🤝
Thank you, sir!
There’s a glitch avatar at the main menu screen for Kotor 2. I’ve only seen it for playing on the switch port of the game. The character looks almost like he described stitched together with scars and such
damn player character not a single tear drop animation whatsoever, that was cold obsidian, that was COLD.
1:07 Does that make the cut content restored through that canon to the KOTOR 2/Legends timeline?
If aspyr only managed to get the game working correctly.....
Perhaps an unpopular opinion: that last bit of Atton tagging along with the Exile into the Unknown Regions is one of the parts that should have remained un-restored; the whole point of going into the dark to seek out and help Revan is that one must go alone with no one but the necessary T3. So, in a way, I prefer this ending to Arron’s arc (especially for a FemExile) as it’s the most realistic and thematically fitting conclusion that the game was building towards-just like that unknown Jedi died to save Atton, the former Sith assassin would give his life to preserve that of the Jedi he loved.
Bittersweet, no?
Agree
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I laughed a bit more than I should have at your monosyllabic response juxtaposed to unnecessarily wordy spiel, ngl 😂😂
@@warlordofbritannia Agree has two syllables
I think HK 47 was also supposed to come with you
Considering that he can explain you how to take down Sion he would be very uselful
First heard this cut content like...15, 16(?) years ago. ...and thus were hundreds of pages of fic born. >.>
Anything on Mira? She was my favorite. I turned into a Jedi, gave her a double sided orange lightsaber with the force shriek ability. Always give any Jedi I make one dark side power.
I am sure there's something 😌
it always amazes me how dark these games were
so the force unleased and swtor armor mod for darth sion is actually for Atton? Wow mutileved twist
I thought Sion was persuaded into SPOILERS
Giving up clinging onto life through his Rage if Meetra Surik persuaded him that his Quest for Vengeance left him hollow.
This is before the exile meets Sion. Atton fight happens even before the exile enters the training grounds.
Just give Atton precise shot + two-weapon fighting, then slap on dual blasters with strong modifications. Spam shields until you win
That's darker than the vanila itself. Damnit Obsidian
Sort of like how, if you fail one particular mission in Wing Commander III, the game continues with your side slowly losing the war. I wish more games had features like that.
I wasn’t even sure it was possible not to die. It’s a scion until I finish the game, and I deleted that save. I finished it a few days ago and now I feel terrible. I can’t get that safe back so I just need to restart the game. It doesn’t matter. He will be saved. He will leave Malachor V.
Yea I just saw this cutscene for the first time. Didnt know Atton could die.
Do you think you can show off the "Atton turns on your crew and fights the Principle" part? Same for the "The Handmaiden betrays you and fights Visas Marr"?
Disciple**
I really wish they signed those papers to give them more time because what we have is so good but has clear flaws if you played it
I love how no one is mentioning the way sion is hiding Atton up lol
Hiding? 😆
I played the backwards compatible version on Xbox lol was I supposed to get any of this?
I thought there was a cut scene where you heal him
Wow once again KOTOR 2 proving its the best game of all time.
And he can also be killed by the Exile, which I did in the penultimate playthrough... how was that... unpleasant(
Atton kills Mical out of jealousy and then attacked the Exile when she caught him in the act.
Wait, Atton attacks you if the Atton/Mical confrontation scene triggers?
I remember having a blast dueling against sion and nihlus, 2 badass sith lords. Kreia was cool too but sion reminded me of maul and nihlus reminded me of vader.
You can train Atton to be a jedi. I bought the book. I played the game one time through before I bought it. So much more fun that way.
Meanwhile... spams mines...
Hides behind pillars & prays
1:21 ... walk into a bar. sounds like the start of a bad joke
Was the original content restored for the Xbox series consoles?
hope the remake will be at obsidian level, because this is the best video game ever, and if they had all the time they needed he cold be again way more better
Hurts when I laugh,.. Hurts... UGH.
Damn Atton really is a loyal dog.
Why was your Atton not a jedi? He said he never told u he was a sith assassin but he would've already told u if you made him a jedi...
I don’t understand how I play on Xbox and I’m close to the ending. They beg me for help to go back to the second level of the game and when I go there it’s froze. I can’t do anything.
just finished the game. Scion destroyed me, i thought that was supposed to happen. was to lazy to reload and went with it
Imagine not influence atton enough to make him a jedi or dark jedi. A blasphemy
Why does buddy form the channel sound like Max Payne or
Jason Statham 🤣. Ether way can we get him as a voice actor 😌
Obsidian should be in charge of TES and Fallout universe, they do a much better job!
This is the movie series that should have been made…
Sounds like my playthrough.
Bro i did not even know this. I always run either a jedi Atton Build or a Blaster Jedi Atton build so i always win against Sion. Seriously Master speed + Master rapid shot and boom. Sion is downed.
0:31 .....bruh how did you die to Force Plague???? it does no damage it just reduces speed and attributes
just realized that guy on the floor i forgot name isnt he the american goku aactor?
So I made it to right outside the temple on malachor but when I go in the load screen won't finish loading it will hit a certain point and then the loading just stops and will stay like that I play on the backward compatible version on Xbox if it matters and also I assume I have to start a new game unless there is some way i can get it to work
Are you sure this was cut?
This sounds VERY familiar. It has been over a decade since I played this on the 360, but I did so dozens of times trying to find secrets, and this is VERY VERY familiar.
You can only have this ending if you install the restored content mod
That is what we call the Mandela effect. Pretty sure your just remembering the area and the fight between protag and Sion
maybe you remembered it from a long time ago
@@pikaplayz5190 I played it when it first released, but not since 2008 when the GF who have it to me died.
I hated the fact that kreia kills all your companions if you made them into jedi.
nah she doesn't kill them. Just defeats them. You can rescue them.
@@r.mariano8118 oh that's cool. Admitedly I've only ever seen the cutscene. I've gotten as far as koriban. And given how everything up to that point played out and how gloomy KotoR 2 was I assumed she killed them.
My one question is why on earth would you have your character wear a robe from KOTOR 1 when the robes in KOTOR 2 look infinitely better lol
I really like the robes from 1
It would've been so much better if they got to actually finish it
Is this only if you turn everyone into force users?
While I love the restored content mod, I absolutely abhor the droid planet section. The premise is certainly fresh and interesting, but the execution was just so poor. Endless backtracking and ugly world design. I understand it was unfinished but still.
i wish the switch versions had the cut content...don't get me wrong i think its a good port but its just as buggy of a mess as it always was, they didn't even up grade the stability
Disturbing Scene??? not even blip on the scope... the beat down scene was more disturbing than that
Wtf how does atton end up on malachor 5
So am I the only one who missed out on like 80% of this content 😭😭
How does Atton fight sion??
Noooo😭😭 Atton my boy❤️😭😭
Am i the only one that thought Kotor 2 was just as good if not better than Kotor 1 ? 🤔🧐
Does anyone tried to kill all their teamates too?
Yes
Yo is that shad