WNBA Players Are DEMANDING Higher Pay… Should They Make More?
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- Today we're doing a deep dive on NBA vs. WNBA salaries! The common misconception is that WNBA players should be pay more based on the massive discrepancy in pay between the W and NBA.
I explain why the pay in the WNBA is actually fair when you look behind the curtain and see the revenue splits.
Do you guys think their pay is fair? Let me know in the comments!
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Imagine the joy when they announce that first million dollar contract. Then imagine the hate when it is announced that it goes to Caitlin Clark. It will be epic.
@pioquintomartinez5848
I love it. I think you just spoke it into existence.
The WNBA players are lucky they make what they currently make. Especially for a league that runs on hate and racism.
Increasing revenues should result in bigger salaries, however until revenues are better aligned with costs and reflect a profit, or at least a very much reduced loss, players demanding much bigger salaries without this alignment is nonsensical. This is where the WNBA Commissioner with her background with Deloitte & Touche should be able to create projections that set a potential date when alignment is possible. There is a big risk however basing the projections on a single player like Caitlin Clark, who has attracted millions of new fans, that this could backfire should anything change. The fact that the WNBA seems to be massively disrespecting CC puts at risk any such optimistic projections that will also seriously affect attracting sponsors large and small. The WNBA should thank its lucky stars that there is a CC on which to grow the league and so reward the players appropriately.
Excellent comment.
Plus:
The demands of the WNBA players have been so thoroughly dismantled by economists and analysts, their analysis are everywhere on UA-cam. It's amazing they keep yelling they want more (and ESPN is helping them make more noise) and at the same time they stick a finger in each ear to avoid hearing the truth.
The WNBA will lose 50 million dollars. Again. And that's with the best talent that has come out of college since 1997.
I agree with you 100%.
These women need a class in economics
Rachel, that was perfectly explained. Your commentary is always among the best and is my favorite. Thanks.
They lucky to not be bankrupt. I don’t know any other business that loses money for almost 30 years and its employees ask for a raise!
That's how dumb 'feminists' can be. They irrationally want what they want.
What you describe happens in literally every business.
@@Yinon776 what business in the private sector can lose money for 30 years and stay in business? Closest thing I can think of are like Auto Unions but they usually go bankrupt if they perform as poorly as the WNBA.
@@Yinon776 Really we've been profitable for 50 years and would fire people if we weren't
@@kkchen2literally not employees stfu u disowned clown
How can they ask for more money if most teams are losing money? Maybe they can get a share of merchandise sales or bonuses. When plum wants revenue share she doesn’t understand that financials of the WNBA.
Of course she understands. She was talking about revenue sharing, not profit sharing. She knew that W had not been earning any profit since its inception.
They can have revenue sharing, just as long as they also have loss sharing.
Just give Plum what she wants.
No problem, all WNBA are revenue share. We lost 30 million this year, we expect your payments within 90 days or you'll be in default.
@@patricklee4581 give plum a plum?
@@patricklee4581 not to take sides in this.. but.. that's not what revenue is.
Caitlin is underpaid. Not sure about the rest.
I don't recommend a strike though. That's for sure.
There is no fair salary for employees of a company losing money annually for the last 28 years, mainly because of the product being produced by same said employees..it's a wonder they're still in operation//
There's no wonder at all. The NBA has been keeping it afloat the entire time by making the ends meet financially every single year of it's existence.
Let them opt out. Owners spend $2 so they can pay the players $1.
If this was a REAL business, it would be BANKRUPT YEARS AGO. It's like an EV, LOSE money on every car/player.
Why? The wnba is 90% crap! Not just the players, but mgt, ownership and especially officiating which is horrible!
@katydidiy
Yes. Exactly right. Also, cool name.
There is a "professional Lacrosse League" in the US. Average Salary is 19k. BUT compared to the WNBA, the League DOES NOT loose money! So no WNBA players should not earn more. They shouldve earned WAY LESS for decades! Cause they NEVER payed there own bills in the 1st place.
Yes, the salary cap will spike, like a lot. But even if the TV money is like 5 times as much, the cap shouldnt spike to more then double. Use the rest of the money to train refs, coach ALL PLAYERS/COACHES/GM's in how to behave in front of a camera, and invest in better fundamental coaches that show them how to make layups!
WNBA players receive a monthly housing allowance ($2K+), as well as daily food allowance when traveling ($95), health insurance, 401k, and other benefits. It's kinda hard to feel sorry for them.
Impossible
bro if u were playing basketball professionally w/that kinda compensation you's be crying & whining so hard.....they can't make case for getting paid what NBA players make yet, but they deff deserve to earn beyond middle class wages
Do you see how CC smiles through everything. There is a lot of times I'm sure she doesn't feel like smiling but she does anyway. She is marketing herself to appeal to the fans. She always takes time for the fans. So they show up for her. They like her and its not just the logo 3's. Its the logo attention she gives the fans and the children tired or not. Because its IMPORTANT!
You are a bit of! When the commisioner began, she wanted to put a spot on the league! She needed money and went to investors for money! It costed 16% of WNBA, so 42% to WNBA, 42 to NBA and 16% to investors!
Love your videos!! The quality is on anothers level compared to any of your competitors!! Keep it up!
Girls can get money from onlyfans or saying Hawk Tuah😭. Lol but nah WNBA gotta make money first before they pay the players. It’s a slow process but Clark putting a light on them.
WNBA didn't utilize Caitlin Clark well
Christy Sides barely used Caitlin Clark well.
This year, the WNBA season started in May and ended their regular season in September, not counting the Olympic break (August) that is still four months (May, June, July, September) that is 120 days, not 60.
Yet most of them reject Caitlyn Clark who is the main one bringing all those new fans
Every player in the WNBA should be embracing Caitlin Clark due to the increased media attention, ticket sales and merchandise sales. They will all benefit from the new fans she brings, myself included.
The deal doesn't kick in until 2026.. they are so dense...
I really appreciate what you did in this video. I've only ever gotten bits and pieces, so your comprehensive explanation really helped me understand. Thank you.
Desiring equity for the two leagues will never be fair mainly because of the quality of the games.
Thank you. Great info as always
Love❤ your videos. I'm an old man that enjoys watching young intelligent people shine. Please continue the good work. Keep being honest and respectful, it will take you far. Your parents should be very proud of you.
Women get paid more than men do for only fans. But us men we get paid for sports
this is very misinformed
Hahaha
Most women don't get shit from onlyfans and end up quitting it. Only the big names that have onlyfans make the big money and is still not as much as athletes.
That's one way of looking at it.
Wait, wait! Let me guess! REVENUE, THATS IT!
I liked your video and your take on this subject, Rachel. Other than that, my comment is just read what the other comments are saying. They saved me a lot of typing.
When there is a consistent improvement of ticket sales without CC, they might have something to stand on.
I would give the girls a % of jersey sales just to shut them up about it. Caitlin Clark would make out along with a few others but that's it. They probably never asked for it because it didn't amount to much. Give them APOTA.
They Should Get PAYED What MONEY They BRING IN, . But they LOSE MONEY ,so they Really should Get Paid LESS !!!
Amazon operated at a loss for 7 years but they found a way to pay high salaries the entire time. The league is expanding and that cost a lot of money. The league is becoming more valuable because of this. Plus, Caitlin Clark broke the WNBA.
Don't bring your problems at home to your office/the court. Do the things that make people like you and want to see you play.
They need a lesson on how supply and demand economics works. They should be paid what men did first 20 years of their existence and build your sport. Obviously they have no clue how to do that given how Caitlin was handled. Screw them!!
Yes. But should be a revenue sharing on ARENA ATTENDANCE , PRODUCT SALES, AND TV REVENUE SHARING. So bottem line fill your Arena with fans and you get paid. Could not believe HOW THEY GUTTED THIER Play off tickets AND GUTTED THE PRICE OF TICKETS TO THE CHAMPIONSHIP TO GET BODIES IN THE DOOR. REALLY SAD.
Even asking for the same percentage of revenue as the NBA is absolutely ridiculous. A business can have revenue and still lose money. Give the players some reason to care about the league, actually being profitable instead of just being selfish and greedy and demanding income and benefits that they’ve never earned based onincome and profits or more correctly lack of profits.
Catlin Clark needs to go to Europe. WNBA players need to pay their way and stop taking money from the NBA.
Also i watch you no matter what. Because i like you. Often times i know the things your saying but i still watch. Because i like you!
Your comments help to understand the logistics and economics of the WNBA versus the NBA. However, the growth in the WNBA this year is totally due to the Kaitlyn Clark affect. With her being in Europe, the growth numbers are skewed dramatically for the WNBA.
They are saying they deserve more pay. Well, you deserve what you bring in. So the WNBA is losing 50 million this year sooo you want to get your salary cut in half?
The NBA needs to pull there funding and let the WNBA sink or swim on its own
NO the non-rookie makes about 3000,000
They want a raise from a business that doesn’t make any revenue 😂😂 u would think these players know this and should be lucky to even get paid at all.
The NBA needs to fire the WNBA's Commissioner, CEO, and CFO, and bring in their best female executives to fix this mess. Look at all the publicity they get right now. It is now or never, for this league to be successful. This is the first time they even had a chance of this.
If you can just opt out of a contract, what is the point of a contract? Isn't there like laws and penalties for breach of contract?
How about the owners get to recoup all of the losses? They’ve had over 20 years before salaries get to be increased! Players are ridiculous and think they should have top tier contracts for a sports league that has lost money every year and only survived because it was propped up by the NBA.if it was a real business that had to survive on its own and make a profit, the league would have folded more than a decade ago
If there is one player who deserve those percentage on ticket sales, jersey sales, it will Caitlin Clark. The way they are treating fans i'm not sure if the league will grow but Clark fans will.
Negotiating for a percentage of revenue makes no sense while the WNBA continues to lose money. If I'm working for a company that never makes a profit, I'm going to do two things:
1) Keep my mouth shut and be glad I'm getting paid at all.
2) Go hunting for a job with a company that has a future.
If the WNBA wants equality, that's fine. Figure out the percentage of PROFITS that NBA players make and negotiate towards THAT. If they want to earn more, than they need to put out a product that people want to see. Right now, their product line pretty much sucks.
They have one item that sells like crazy, and that item is Caitlin Clark. The W needs to suck it up and accept that fact, or shut up an wallow in their misery.
Those women are going to have to put out a product that the fans love. They have got to understand that its intertainment. Play for the fans. Conduct yourself in a way that fans start to like you.
Way to do your research Rachel- it's amazing how these legacy players continually try to push either an agenda or overestimating their worth. And it all seems to be 'now' on the coattails of Caitlin Clark, yet CC gets abused by this league. They should accept and market this with CC and ride with the wave, and the change will come soon enough. Worst thing would be to chase CC away to Europe or another league, and the W would be in serious trouble of surviving.
Everything the WNBA has gotten was given. Not earned. In entertainment you can’t get mad because no one is entertained by you. You have to make a product that is entertaining.
LET'S JUST PUT THE 28YRS. OF NOT TURNING A PROFIT ASIDE. CAITLIN HAS LIFTED THE LEAGUE WITH REVENUE AND ATTENDANCE. IT'S A NEW DAY SO LET IF BE A NEW PAGE.
Your video did make sense. Great job. What do you think about lowering the rims to 9’6”, so that the WNBA players can play above the rim?
Is the NBA sharing in any of the WNBA profits (revenues less expenses); if there is any? Great job Rachel!
A new CBA should allow a team player sponsors with a uniform team cap. If the players are capable of creating a 3v3 league, they should be able to collectively secure sponsors. This would raise the base salary and be a measure of their value. The base salary is in their hands to determine without excuses. Whether a salary can reach a million or more will also be self-determined by the players. The WNBA can remain focused on being self-sufficient and sustainable, or disband unprofitable teams as any business would.
Steph's current contract is $215million for FOUR years. Why exaggerate? It's unnecessary.
Nobody in the WNBA gets only $50k per year.
The WNBA doesn't make money. If they want to make the same percentage as the NBA, they need to pay to play.
The biggest difference is the nba is not a charity like the wnba. If it were a real business like it wants to be someday it wouldn’t exist and the player jobs wouldn’t exist. So claims that the players “deserve” the same revenue percentage just seems silly on its face. Real Employees are typically paid the marginal product of their labor. That’s how it works in real businesses.
What's the salary of the WNBA Commissioner?
No CC no listening!
The 15 million is a subsidy. Not bonus cash. Although a cute Segway. My opinion is that this structure is a mess but understandable considering the WNBA has lost money every year.
Sorry, but they should get an invoice, since the WNBA hasn’t yet made a profit.
New fans? Or recruit popular players to be in your team to boost the sales?
Well done.
When I see talent from all or 90% of players, when I see a work ethic that is professional, when i see fit athletic bodies playing, when i see intelligence for at least half of the players, when i see commited and tough players. That's when I might have one more look. WNBA is shabby from stat to end with few players showing actual talent. Whining is next level, dirty play is next level and borders tantrum levels. These deluded prima donnas are worth much less than what we are being charged. Highschool is far better quality with little of the theatrics.
Bottom line…it’s business and we don’t know the data sheets…and expenses, shares, profits…people get emotional but, the bottom line is the numbers. The Women’s game is growing but, how deep were they in a deficit over the years…do they have to pay back from investments and loans…without knowing the budgets and finances it’s just all talking…I’m excited for the Women to finally get a following…but, let’s not get it twisted…its PROFESSIONAL Basketball…it’s a Business first…I know first hand…I played Pro😉Love your channel girlfriend 🏆🙏🏾💯🎉🎊🏀
The lack of education is the problem. Revenue-expenses= profit. It's about not Revenue; it's about Profit. How is 200 million cheap for a league that doesn't make a profit? Again it's about Profit. 27 years is not brand new.
In order to make more money they have to generate more revenue.
That’s just what this league that shoots itself in the foot needs. A lockout. If a normal employer never made a profit, then it would close and nobody would get paid. Even with record attendance and whatnot, they still didn’t make a profit. The “old” fan base doesn’t help things by trying to gatekeep fandom.
It's not entertaining enough to get paid like NBA 🙄 😒
The bottom line is determined by business economics... Assuming no corruption wasting money in things like management salaries and expenses, etc,, at the very least, the league needs to be above break-even. Running losses each year can only be sustained by new money. And who, in their right mind, would want to pour more money into a losing business?? Increasing salaries when the league is losing money is just directly taking more money from the owners and sticking them with the losses.
You can't just demand money because you believe you 'deserve it'. Your belief doesn't trump the reality of the situation. If players overseas are making more money than WNBA players are, it seems to me they either have a better product or have marketed better. You need to compete with those leagues better! I'm honestly not knowledgeable about the overseas leagues, so maybe I'm wrong somehow??
What is the percentage paid on a league that has lost money ever single year of its existence?
Sure, they can get more pay. Is the NBA still subsidizing them? If not, then just cut up the profits from the league 50/50 for players and the owners. Problem solved.
The NBA can actually play the sport. The WNBA would be beat by high school boys. If they had standards, like making layups and free throws, maybe players would improve. Also, the ball is smaller, if they lower the rim, they cant really call it basketball anymore.
I think the new crowds will fade…..especially if the Fever coach does nothing as to improving areas of weakness by commanding change to those areas of weakness. Commanding Lexi to stop getting rid of a pass to her like the ball is a hot potato. She had such a great percentage on 3’s…..that she stopped trying them in order to keep her high rate. That’s a coach not confronting a new big problem. In other words, if Fever stands still as number 6….I think many fans will fade away. Shrinking crowds…..means…..salaries not moving.
Rachel love your YT They are on schedule to lose 50 million so fair actually would e for all these players to write a check to allow them to play. build a viable product get off the coattails of the NBA and then ask for more money Thats business No one on the panel with Plum will tell the truth because there afraid of offending a women It is 10 buck to get into a championship game 4 bucks deep into the playoffs CC is the only player that is a must see A lot of the players are unlikeable
Math is Math n it doesn’t lie!
Just because she was complaining recently about her pay, Angel Reese should maybe look at her lifestyle first. Her rent is currently more than her WNBA salary. She’s paying more than $80,000 annually in rent. Maybe make some better choices.
Even with the new media contract coming up in 2 years, the league’s share will be $100M, with the other $100M going to the NBA. I would expect the max allowable towards salaries would be about 40%. So, you’re looking at about $40M to cover about 144 players. This will leave room for a median wage of around $275,000 annually. Of course there’s going to be a range of wages across the players, put this is just to point out that it’ll be quite some time before we’ll be seeing any 7 figure contracts.
If they’re wanting wages any where near that, they would need to see a media deal somewhere near $800M to $1B to be able to get the personal contracts that they keep saying they are worth.
Whether it's a lock-out by the owners or a strike by the players, if they think much more than their family members will care after day three then the people of the WNBA are more delusional than I thought.
I think they are relying on a lot of the Caitlin Clark effect, and those numbers can disappear just as quickly as they showed up if the next year's treatment of CC22 by the league, players, refs, and media does not improve.
The WNBA may also think they'll have another jump in interest when either Paige Bueckers and/or JuJu Watkins join the league. There is no guarantees of such an increase as has been proven many times in every sport. So often the "next greatest" ends up being a letdown.
If the ticket sales, ad revenue and merchandise sales increase then, yes, there should be pay increase.
BUT... It should all be balanced on the money going out.
If the WNBA is still making a loss over all then, no.
BUT... Individual players should be getting a cut of any NAMED merchandise sales.
That is fair because they are selling on THAT PLAYERS name.
Not generic team shirts though.
I think a 50% raise is quite healthy. 500% is out of the question. The league isn't 500% more profitable this year .. its still not profitable even considering Clark.
Since the league has never turned a profit in 30 years… if players get a “share” of the profits (“as a percentage like the NBA”), that would mean the WNBA players should *pay* owners their portion of the debt to owners each year?
I think they should be paid more as the league has seen an increase in interest (one year sample size). Caitlin should get $1M as she’s the (biggest reason) for the increase in interest. But several new players: Brink, Ju Ju, Paige B… are going to push the league further it would be good to protect the better players so they don’t leave for China, Russia….
But the league has costs to consider not just salaries for players. As soon as the league *is* profitable, then WNBA players should get an equal share of profiteering like the NBA provides players for jerseys, tickets, TV…. That seems fair.
If I remember correctly the media deal can be reopened in 4 years. If you believe the hype Paige will be better than CC, but will the fans follow her? Juju is also slated to be better than CC, again will her fans follow? Bigger question, will CC get tired of the abuse and poor quality of referees, and not renew her contract to become a pro golfer or go overseas to play? It’s not like she’s hurting for money. For what it’s worth, this media deal is a little over 3x the present one, so salaries could go up theoretically 3x. As attendance continues to grow, I think the players should ask for a part of merchandise sales and a part of the gate above a certain amount, maybe more incentive driven compensation, as we’ve seen in the NFL guaranteed contracts don’t work very well except for the player.
only caitlin deserves a raise lol
I think wnba players get a housing stipend to go with their salaries and other perks and bonuses so its not just their base salary they get. But I do think they deserve more money overall. The nba players are well overpaid in comparison. The wnba players probably should more for rookies to $150k maybe on some scale or something and up to twice as much for max to $500k which is only a handful of players. The league should be able to make enough to pay that starting in a year or two as something like this is not an automatic increase for all players.
More teams and more games than I can understand. Frfr I’d play 40 games plus playoffs for at least 400k a season lol
If they come to a deal.. it should contain bonuses for filled venues... and % of profit from merch sales.. altho.. that would benefit CC most and her fever teammates 🤣
Not the same. Get more fan that want to buy your products, not forcing them to buy it.
I’d love a big union come in and get them shut down forever
Well they can give the players 50 percent of the revenue. Meaning they will make less than dollars
Less than zero dollars 😂😂😂😂
WNBA pay for yourself and dunk the damn ball then maybe we can talk
Top European women's basketball players make a lot more than Americans. American women's basketball players should move to Europe to make more money.
No disrespect intended here because I love watching Caitlin Napheesa and Arike play…..closest to exciting basketball but, 40 snoozefest games per season with 10 min quarters and a very dismal audience until this season when Caitlin landed on the scene.
Compared to 82 games per season sold out arenas and millions on TV viewers……higher pay that what they’re getting right now but, let’s not get carried away with comparing the number$$.
The only one should be getting a raise four players in the Indiana fevers Caitlin Clark should be getting six times she’s getting paid because she bought all the people to leave and made the money. She’s the money person nobody else.
I wish I could make $75k working 4 months a year!
Probably will be less next year. Nobody cares after this train wreck of a season. WNBA is lame af.
Surely the comments are going to be nice and civil I cant wait to read them.
Why not tell the truth?? WNBA was offered same contract as NBA ?? THEY SAID NO ..WTF🤫😂😂😉
Give me a better product and I will show you more $$$. Hopefully they have agents who do know math and business.
First, I do not do the dealing, work with leagues getting deals, so I do not know or remember what I heard about what the right words are used. Silver had to work getting $200 million when the other side wanted to pay around $125 million. Silver had to throw only two names getting extra money. What does this mean, players before this draft class could not make enough revenue past $125 million. Silver used two names being Clark and Reese to get the extra $75 million all are about, as I do not remember the real amount. If not for Clark and some worth of the other 2024 draft picks the $200 million would not have happened. Also mentioned another $60 million may be added. After this 2024 season showing how petty the women players were towards mainly Clark but other drafts, I would not feel there is a catch clause should the league not do better than $200 million will go down. Some of the players that all know are so petty that it is them not getting this and that seeing what the new players are getting and (let me just write the truth) Clark became one of the best players as a rookie Wilson was beyond angry. Sales Wilson is the 5th and maybe just above 6th. None of the past players had viewership, revenue and was not marketable. Clark leads all of the WNBA and tops in all other leagues within the top 10. Reese was second in sales within WNBA to only after her pettiness will not be that next year and following should she not start to get serious towards her game. A few more drafts are doing better in sales more than any other players of the 144. It has been the players keeping themselves back on their, let's call it like it was seen, trying to get certain players hurt enough to be out of the game. Women are known about revenge. That was shown a few times by players to other players. The main player was Clark having the best revenue, becoming the face of WNBA, and out playing almost the top player in the world being Wilson. Next year should Clark stay alive she will be getting MPV maybe every year for a while. Without her, for now, there would not be over a million or two of new fans. These women like Plum, Stewart, WILSON, Reese (already) and a few more activist do not change up their interviews, their play and much more they will stay in the wishing and not getting paid. That million a year will not happen till more new players join that can bring in more than enough viewership and revenue where the NBA can stop the charity. After watching this year all of the 2023 and past players will be gone or most all. The top players will never see close to a million dollars playing.
The WNBA haVe revenue?
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