In the case of her AA gun, the barrage chart isn't accurate. For some reason Laffey and Z52 are counted as having two AA guns instead of one (seen by the "2" next to the damage), but this isn't true. If you look at Shimanto's ghost gun in the same chart, she has just a "1" and her damage is shown accurately. For Laffey/Z52, need to divide the number by 2 or just look in the normal damage column that is to the left of the bullet type.
The damage of the gun is indeed 204 as opposed to 408, but the assessment of her AA DPS being above Scylla actually had that assumption, so that remains to be the case. Adding onto this, a mistake was found in the calcs and it has been adjusted to 1700-1800 across the board. Her damage across the three armor types seems to be roughly equal to Plymouth's, lower on light armor and higher on heavy. This does put her a bit under the Hindenburg and Unzens of the world but probably isn't enough to make her not the best vanguard ship in the game overall. Adjusted calcs: x.com/reikurozuki/status/1870647565416624571
Using her in my Yorktown II fleet! Struggled to find a good debuffer instead of Helena Meta for a long time, as Plymouth was in my shelling fleet in Op. Siren, and Helena is nice, but I hate inconsistent debuffs that are RNG. 7:46 Answering the important questions! I 100% agree, best visual design for a DD ever.
Oh def gonna use her and rumey with YKTN II fleet, put rumey as a flagship so she can get Bis II off fleet IB CV buff. Equipping her with Double HVARs already sounds good, lmagine slapping 2 La-9s on her daymn, and add Z52 buff🤌🏻🤌🏻
@@koven-thecovenantofmerakya5060 Same. I'm gonna try Kearsarge Y2 Rumei. I can finally get rid of Enterprise. I love Enty but the RNG is too frustrating.
@@lotharschramm5000 real, i used Hornet II instead of Enty for consistency. Enty, for an SSR competing with UR, her dmg is pretty big if she procs each airstrike, but too inconsistent. Tbh I don't have YKTN II since i missed her during her event, but I've been planning to use Hornet II with YKTN II with both equipping HVARs and Skyraiders. Now that Rumey debuted, screw Hornet II lol, Rumey with double HVARs/La-9s here i come! 🤟🏻😎 I might also considering swapping mogador with Z52 for my anti heavy fleet and put helena for my planned YKTN II+Rumey+Kears fleet just to see which one is better consistency wise
@@koven-thecovenantofmerakya5060 I was thinking the same thing as you of putting rumey into my anti light fleet. Currently I have york2 as the flagship to utilize the nj cross fleet. Any thoughts on rumey + bis 2 vs york 2 + nj? At this point I'm struggling to justify NJ and only use her in my opsi mob to benefit york 2
Funny how Rumei kinda is the flagship of the event, but Z52 stole the spotlight. I'm looking forward to max Z52 and Rumei to do my own tests and try some derpy fleets with them, but I feel like Rumei is going to be in my HE fleet for while, and Z52 I will try to see how she fits in many scenarious just for the fun of it, Dfinitely gonna run the Z fleet with some DD buffers in the next month of OP Siren, meme fleets are quite fun to run. But before that, I want to see how powerful the KMS UR/DR fleet will be vs the Arbiters.
Actually a couple weakness for you. 1. In her no skin equipped animation her body jiggles a lot, which can have annoying noise implications. 2. As she is very athletic she can approach dangerous levels of humidity especially with her large fuel tanks 3. She says her skill dialogue a lot in battles, which can be annoying if youre not used to it from an shan. 4. No l2d on launch kinda tragic imo
Question from someone who's been playing for 2 and a half years (but still can't make his own fleets without help) Is Z52 a mob fleet character or a main fleet character? Edit: am I just inexperienced or does she seem like a good main tank?
It depends on what you need really. She can fit in both fleet, her skills/kit are just that valuable. Personally I'm planning to put her in my Anti Heavy armor CV fleet with Amagi+Haku+Nakhimov, paired with Tash+Kazagumo just so i could make a rather "historical" CV fleet (Carriers usual escorts are a squadron of DDs) I'd swap Nakhimov+Tash with implacable+random tank after implacable rerun event, since i missed implacable :')
@koven-thecovenantofmerakya5060 Ah, that does make sense. I don't really know how to construct a fleet on my own😅 I have pretty much all the relevant shipgirls but I just don't know how to put them together, and when reading their skills I can't tell if they're mob or main. Any tips on how to improve upon that lack of understanding?
@mitoshigami6451 Most UR ships are meant for bossing, but some of them are better off as excellent mob fleet ships. What you need to do is understanding ship synergies/skill synergies with each other, some skills doesn't stack, some are stackable. For example like in my planned anti heavy CV fleet, Kazagumo CV buff can be stacked with Z52 buff, Amagi boosts torp dmg by 15%, tash is just there to slow so that Nakhimov can apply her freeze(Nakhimov can only freeze if there's another vodka ship that slows, if not, she just gonna give regular slow) that comp alone already gives me a flat 20% all dmg bonus, and 15% extra dmg for torps, this makes it so theoretically that my planned fleet able to dish out consistent dmg without needing to use Helena nor do I have to adjust my CVs timing exactly as close to 20s as possible
@mitoshigami6451 for current URs that are more mobbing centric, they are FDG, UVH, Laffey II (i see her value more in mobbing than bossing personally), Drake, Azuma, Kronshtadt(you can also use her as boss, but compared to Agir, Guam, and brest can offer, she better off as mob, brest imo become more bossing centric ever since Alsace arrived)
@@koven-thecovenantofmerakya5060 your fleet explanation kinda sounds like quantum physics, sorry😅 I got a main fleet recommended to me recently for W13 and 14 FdG as flag, Shinano and Amagi CV top and bottom, main tank Guam, middle Unzen and off tank Ägir I can kinda understand why? Agir slows, Amagi is busted, idk why FdG is there, and I just know that Shinano provides good buffs. Unzen does good damage, and Guam is apparently pretty good for W14 and 14 but idk why. I also know that bosses have different armor types, but I just don't see what ship is good for what armor type. I feel stupid, not gonna lie😅 been playing for 2 and a half years and still cannot comprehend these things you guys see as natural
Only thing to complain about is her voice. I certainly didn't expect a kid's voice from her, much less the exact same voice of syuen from nikke. She will also make you mute your game by spamming her voicelines in battle. Still i forgive the devs because of the immense amount of jiggle in her base dynamic skin. Edit: I feel like we are entering new era of power creep with the likes of laffey2, eldridge retro, z52 which makes me look forward to what absolutely broken shit they will release next year. maybe lv. 130 soon?
Its like a trend when a new KMS ship comes it immediatly performes better than the last one. Rumei replaces Nakhimov even though shes not that old. And Z52: No weaknesses whatsoever; while many people say that newer ships always outclasses older ships, to which i completely agree (just look at Drake); if the next RN or Sardegna Empire event doesnt bring a UR that brings something new or slightly better then the previous URs; they definitely favor IB, EU and Sakure Empire
if they are in favor of Iron Blood, they wont remove Iron Blood from PR7, breaking the 7 years long streak of having one. Plus Iron Blood havn't got any good ship since Hindenburg was introduce. If you look at the last few Iron Blood event after Bismarck Zwei but before Rumei, all Iron Blood got was bad or mediocre ship. That doesn't sound like the dev favor Iron Blood to me.
Lol this cherry picked IB whining. Every single gacha UR, has always come out as the best at something, if not multiple things. NJ blew every battleship out of the water in every single aspect. Vanguard remains the best option in a triple BB fleet. Musashi became the best BB when she came out, and Biscuit2 did the same when she came out. Soyuz took the best vs Medium spot at least when she came out, and Alsace was again the best BB when she came out. Same thing with the carriers, I’m not going to write them all out. But please, go on about how this is IBs 10th event of the year and IB ships are always ten times better than others and the devs have shameless IB favoritism.
@@starryyknight Finally a sensible comment. The anti-IB whining is so annoying. Before this event IB had Agir, Hindenburg and Zwei. That's it. Wow. Such favoritism.
Z52 is basically a ship that is a jack of all trades but really good in everything. May not be the best in one particular category, but just amazing all around
Just when I thought Amagi CV meant Manjuu was trying to avoid hard powercreep, this event happens. And people tell me there isn't Ironblood favoritism in this game.
You do know why IB event is in December? Because it brings more money. Why? Because it's popular ! It's one of the reason this game is still alive and can fund another game.
@@acequincy Funny you should mention Promelia, it's what I blame for the clear drop in content quality in the last two or so years. I would begrudgingly accept Ironblood's constant favoritism if it meant that whale money was going back into Azur Lane. But it's not, it's going to a Genshin lookalike that's four years late to the party. Promelia is the number one reason I've cut back my spending on AL to almost nothing.
@ProphetoftheMachines it was originally 2 games that was being funded, money wasn't the issue but the higher ups keep making demands and changes that the team got tired of it and drop the game leaving only promilia. The team got transferred to Azur Lane that's why the L2D got up in quality.
There's no IB favoritism, you're just whining. New UR is good, oh no, much favoritism. Last good IB ship was Hindenburg for heaven's sake... lol. Then they have Agir, Zwei and... that's it. Who else did they have prior to this event? All their others ships are unremarkable to average.
Weakness: Is bloody German ship, not even completed (IK I don't like paperships that much either) no combat honours or actual combat experience. Ja I am very very biased against iron blood, call it hood salt if you will, and this comment is not related to in-game stats at all.
real and relatable. Getting all these paper ships when weve still got real ships like Scheer and Bayern/Baden that have yet to be added is quite annoying
@@usssimshullnumberdd-4095 my biggest annoyance but also subject of laughter are these german ships, it demonstrates how bottom of the barrel they needed to scrape for German ships, because they barely have any surface ships, much less good surface ships. capitalship wise only scharnhorst and Gneisenau were actually good, bismarck was a luck bastard (sry hood salt at it again) but that class was an absolute waste or resources, the design process was ridden with inefficiencies, wasted tonnage on armour, and those hilarious AA systems that got depression from their lack of depression. sorry m8 for the rant they could also do what they did with Mikasa, use some olderships. Like the High Seas fleet even I would respect, they were quite good and had plenty of good ships to choose from. its not like date have any reason to stop them, like we have mikasa, a literal pre-dreadnought, and age of sail ships through the tempista faction, like, it would be nice for Yostar to add some of those Jutland german battlecruisers. if they add invincible, lion, queen mary etc, they better have a explosive animation for sinking ;)
This is why I say that the AL community can sometimes be absolute cancer, every ironblood event is the exact same thing. Just let people enjoy things for once, It's a game ffs.
In the case of her AA gun, the barrage chart isn't accurate. For some reason Laffey and Z52 are counted as having two AA guns instead of one (seen by the "2" next to the damage), but this isn't true. If you look at Shimanto's ghost gun in the same chart, she has just a "1" and her damage is shown accurately. For Laffey/Z52, need to divide the number by 2 or just look in the normal damage column that is to the left of the bullet type.
The damage of the gun is indeed 204 as opposed to 408, but the assessment of her AA DPS being above Scylla actually had that assumption, so that remains to be the case.
Adding onto this, a mistake was found in the calcs and it has been adjusted to 1700-1800 across the board. Her damage across the three armor types seems to be roughly equal to Plymouth's, lower on light armor and higher on heavy. This does put her a bit under the Hindenburg and Unzens of the world but probably isn't enough to make her not the best vanguard ship in the game overall.
Adjusted calcs: x.com/reikurozuki/status/1870647565416624571
@@JimmyALsounds like the "recalculation" checks out for her as being a "jack of all trades" DD. Being very good at everything, but not the best.
@@lonemarkkingoftypos3722 Out damages laffey II in 15-4 at level 119 with skills half maxed. She is the best alright.
"Why couldn't it be Janus?" Because Janus already wins in the most important aspect: Cuteness
end of year and they were like ''F it.. give them proper nice ship this time''
Using her in my Yorktown II fleet! Struggled to find a good debuffer instead of Helena Meta for a long time, as Plymouth was in my shelling fleet in Op. Siren, and Helena is nice, but I hate inconsistent debuffs that are RNG.
7:46 Answering the important questions! I 100% agree, best visual design for a DD ever.
Oh def gonna use her and rumey with YKTN II fleet, put rumey as a flagship so she can get Bis II off fleet IB CV buff. Equipping her with Double HVARs already sounds good, lmagine slapping 2 La-9s on her daymn, and add Z52 buff🤌🏻🤌🏻
@@koven-thecovenantofmerakya5060 Same. I'm gonna try Kearsarge Y2 Rumei. I can finally get rid of Enterprise. I love Enty but the RNG is too frustrating.
@@lotharschramm5000 real, i used Hornet II instead of Enty for consistency. Enty, for an SSR competing with UR, her dmg is pretty big if she procs each airstrike, but too inconsistent. Tbh I don't have YKTN II since i missed her during her event, but I've been planning to use Hornet II with YKTN II with both equipping HVARs and Skyraiders. Now that Rumey debuted, screw Hornet II lol, Rumey with double HVARs/La-9s here i come! 🤟🏻😎 I might also considering swapping mogador with Z52 for my anti heavy fleet and put helena for my planned YKTN II+Rumey+Kears fleet just to see which one is better consistency wise
@@koven-thecovenantofmerakya5060 I was thinking the same thing as you of putting rumey into my anti light fleet. Currently I have york2 as the flagship to utilize the nj cross fleet. Any thoughts on rumey + bis 2 vs york 2 + nj? At this point I'm struggling to justify NJ and only use her in my opsi mob to benefit york 2
And I just realized, her VA is Satomi Arai. Not very well known I suppose, but she voices Kuroko in the Toaru-verse and Seiko in Corpse Party.
Oh the misaka simp😅
Judgement desu no!
@@acertainmysteriousvirtuoso6150 Who doesnt love Kuroko man she is the best
She also voices Beatrice from Re:Zero, why I immediately recognised her, her voice is sooo unique... Loving it
Her skin is even more OP.
Knew she was crazy, did not know she was THAT crazy!
This is just proof that shortstacks are the superior life form
Shortstacks/oppai lolis are indeed the superior 👌
Funny how Rumei kinda is the flagship of the event, but Z52 stole the spotlight. I'm looking forward to max Z52 and Rumei to do my own tests and try some derpy fleets with them, but I feel like Rumei is going to be in my HE fleet for while, and Z52 I will try to see how she fits in many scenarious just for the fun of it, Dfinitely gonna run the Z fleet with some DD buffers in the next month of OP Siren, meme fleets are quite fun to run. But before that, I want to see how powerful the KMS UR/DR fleet will be vs the Arbiters.
Laffey 2 Stole Guam the stoplight as well
Her only flaw is that she can only get pregnant once a year, aprox.
Indeed unfortunate 😞
Sounds like you want a retrofit for UrJanus
Actually a couple weakness for you.
1. In her no skin equipped animation her body jiggles a lot, which can have annoying noise implications.
2. As she is very athletic she can approach dangerous levels of humidity especially with her large fuel tanks
3. She says her skill dialogue a lot in battles, which can be annoying if youre not used to it from an shan.
4. No l2d on launch kinda tragic imo
the 3 is kind of accurate for me. the first time i saw some vid about her spamming those skill dialogue. anyway she good so....
Ze Wunderwaffe 52
Same, i love Wonder Waffle as well! ⚡🧇
Where can I access this tier list?
That's one of the secrets of the channel
Jimmy, is the event torp good?
Yes! It's one of the best homing torp in game rn
@Campanelia01 thanks!
It's a direct upgrade to the normal quad magnetic torp, so there's 0 reason to not use it
I wonder if he has all the Janus figures PO'd
Question from someone who's been playing for 2 and a half years (but still can't make his own fleets without help)
Is Z52 a mob fleet character or a main fleet character? Edit: am I just inexperienced or does she seem like a good main tank?
It depends on what you need really. She can fit in both fleet, her skills/kit are just that valuable. Personally I'm planning to put her in my Anti Heavy armor CV fleet with Amagi+Haku+Nakhimov, paired with Tash+Kazagumo just so i could make a rather "historical" CV fleet (Carriers usual escorts are a squadron of DDs) I'd swap Nakhimov+Tash with implacable+random tank after implacable rerun event, since i missed implacable :')
@koven-thecovenantofmerakya5060 Ah, that does make sense. I don't really know how to construct a fleet on my own😅
I have pretty much all the relevant shipgirls but I just don't know how to put them together, and when reading their skills I can't tell if they're mob or main. Any tips on how to improve upon that lack of understanding?
@mitoshigami6451 Most UR ships are meant for bossing, but some of them are better off as excellent mob fleet ships. What you need to do is understanding ship synergies/skill synergies with each other, some skills doesn't stack, some are stackable. For example like in my planned anti heavy CV fleet, Kazagumo CV buff can be stacked with Z52 buff, Amagi boosts torp dmg by 15%, tash is just there to slow so that Nakhimov can apply her freeze(Nakhimov can only freeze if there's another vodka ship that slows, if not, she just gonna give regular slow) that comp alone already gives me a flat 20% all dmg bonus, and 15% extra dmg for torps, this makes it so theoretically that my planned fleet able to dish out consistent dmg without needing to use Helena nor do I have to adjust my CVs timing exactly as close to 20s as possible
@mitoshigami6451 for current URs that are more mobbing centric, they are FDG, UVH, Laffey II (i see her value more in mobbing than bossing personally), Drake, Azuma, Kronshtadt(you can also use her as boss, but compared to Agir, Guam, and brest can offer, she better off as mob, brest imo become more bossing centric ever since Alsace arrived)
@@koven-thecovenantofmerakya5060 your fleet explanation kinda sounds like quantum physics, sorry😅
I got a main fleet recommended to me recently for W13 and 14
FdG as flag, Shinano and Amagi CV top and bottom, main tank Guam, middle Unzen and off tank Ägir
I can kinda understand why? Agir slows, Amagi is busted, idk why FdG is there, and I just know that Shinano provides good buffs. Unzen does good damage, and Guam is apparently pretty good for W14 and 14 but idk why.
I also know that bosses have different armor types, but I just don't see what ship is good for what armor type.
I feel stupid, not gonna lie😅 been playing for 2 and a half years and still cannot comprehend these things you guys see as natural
Awesome! I'll make sure to build her within the next year! (Idk how to do builds since I barely have a fleets worth of 125s)
Only thing to complain about is her voice. I certainly didn't expect a kid's voice from her, much less the exact same voice of syuen from nikke. She will also make you mute your game by spamming her voicelines in battle. Still i forgive the devs because of the immense amount of jiggle in her base dynamic skin.
Edit: I feel like we are entering new era of power creep with the likes of laffey2, eldridge retro, z52 which makes me look forward to what absolutely broken shit they will release next year. maybe lv. 130 soon?
So i am not the only one that thinks her voice doesn't fit her design
Aw man, why couldn't it be Janus...
This happens to be the week where my phone has to be repaired, yikes
Use an emulator
@@lotharschramm5000 I'm on linux and can't figure it out, so I gave up on that
😆
Lol janos-chan best DD
Its like a trend when a new KMS ship comes it immediatly performes better than the last one. Rumei replaces Nakhimov even though shes not that old. And Z52: No weaknesses whatsoever; while many people say that newer ships always outclasses older ships, to which i completely agree (just look at Drake); if the next RN or Sardegna Empire event doesnt bring a UR that brings something new or slightly better then the previous URs; they definitely favor IB, EU and Sakure Empire
Nah she compliments a Nakhimov and Soyuz against medium armor. Cats and dogs living together and all that.
if they are in favor of Iron Blood, they wont remove Iron Blood from PR7, breaking the 7 years long streak of having one. Plus Iron Blood havn't got any good ship since Hindenburg was introduce. If you look at the last few Iron Blood event after Bismarck Zwei but before Rumei, all Iron Blood got was bad or mediocre ship.
That doesn't sound like the dev favor Iron Blood to me.
Lol this cherry picked IB whining. Every single gacha UR, has always come out as the best at something, if not multiple things.
NJ blew every battleship out of the water in every single aspect. Vanguard remains the best option in a triple BB fleet. Musashi became the best BB when she came out, and Biscuit2 did the same when she came out. Soyuz took the best vs Medium spot at least when she came out, and Alsace was again the best BB when she came out. Same thing with the carriers, I’m not going to write them all out.
But please, go on about how this is IBs 10th event of the year and IB ships are always ten times better than others and the devs have shameless IB favoritism.
@@starryyknight Finally a sensible comment. The anti-IB whining is so annoying. Before this event IB had Agir, Hindenburg and Zwei. That's it. Wow. Such favoritism.
Great ship great looks
Z52 is basically a ship that is a jack of all trades but really good in everything. May not be the best in one particular category, but just amazing all around
Janus Zwei when?
Just when I thought Amagi CV meant Manjuu was trying to avoid hard powercreep, this event happens. And people tell me there isn't Ironblood favoritism in this game.
You do know why IB event is in December? Because it brings more money. Why? Because it's popular ! It's one of the reason this game is still alive and can fund another game.
@@acequincy Funny you should mention Promelia, it's what I blame for the clear drop in content quality in the last two or so years. I would begrudgingly accept Ironblood's constant favoritism if it meant that whale money was going back into Azur Lane. But it's not, it's going to a Genshin lookalike that's four years late to the party. Promelia is the number one reason I've cut back my spending on AL to almost nothing.
@ProphetoftheMachines it was originally 2 games that was being funded, money wasn't the issue but the higher ups keep making demands and changes that the team got tired of it and drop the game leaving only promilia. The team got transferred to Azur Lane that's why the L2D got up in quality.
There's no IB favoritism, you're just whining. New UR is good, oh no, much favoritism. Last good IB ship was Hindenburg for heaven's sake... lol. Then they have Agir, Zwei and... that's it. Who else did they have prior to this event? All their others ships are unremarkable to average.
Her design could have been more Loli
Would being German be considered a point against her?
In my mind it is.
bravo zulu
Me when I imagine vanguard having a British accent 🙂↕️ I still love her, even tho she’s British
Her design sucks, Z11 is better.
Z9 is the best design this event
wtf are u stupid?
Weakness: Is bloody German ship, not even completed (IK I don't like paperships that much either) no combat honours or actual combat experience.
Ja I am very very biased against iron blood, call it hood salt if you will, and this comment is not related to in-game stats at all.
real and relatable. Getting all these paper ships when weve still got real ships like Scheer and Bayern/Baden that have yet to be added is quite annoying
@@usssimshullnumberdd-4095 my biggest annoyance but also subject of laughter are these german ships, it demonstrates how bottom of the barrel they needed to scrape for German ships, because they barely have any surface ships, much less good surface ships. capitalship wise only scharnhorst and Gneisenau were actually good, bismarck was a luck bastard (sry hood salt at it again) but that class was an absolute waste or resources, the design process was ridden with inefficiencies, wasted tonnage on armour, and those hilarious AA systems that got depression from their lack of depression.
sorry m8 for the rant
they could also do what they did with Mikasa, use some olderships. Like the High Seas fleet even I would respect, they were quite good and had plenty of good ships to choose from. its not like date have any reason to stop them, like we have mikasa, a literal pre-dreadnought, and age of sail ships through the tempista faction, like, it would be nice for Yostar to add some of those Jutland german battlecruisers. if they add invincible, lion, queen mary etc, they better have a explosive animation for sinking ;)
As a day one Sandy iron blood main all I can say is we expected paper fleets would be a thing and came to terms with that years ago
This is why I say that the AL community can sometimes be absolute cancer, every ironblood event is the exact same thing. Just let people enjoy things for once, It's a game ffs.
It's not really a paper ship, she was laid down in 1943 but not launched