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Number one is easy: a wizard is never late nor is he early he arrives precisely when he means to
Wrong wizard, thats a real wizard
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Chino Wantan well I spose Rowling didn’t write about flu powder or apparation until book 2
Give this man a medal 🏅
I understood that reference
But what if Salazar Slytherin was a plumber?
lolol
Probably
But if the castle was originally built in like 900 or something, plumbing wasn't a thing then.
maybe the pipes are bigger on the inside?
Like tardis pipes :')
Q- How did Dumbledore understand Parseltongue?
Answer- He used Subtitles
Surely you mean... ss-ss-subtitles.
@@PhantomGreyfire haha 😂
Well, he could learn to understand it over the years.
Kind of like how Ron figured out how to repeat it phonetically to open the chamber of secrets in book 7, then when telling Harry about it Harry only heard hissing and sputtering. Ron figured out what "open" translated to and it worked, I'd imagine Dumbledore firgured out more to at least get the gist of the conversation.
Maybe he had a Babel fish is his ear.
I assumed this was the book telling us he could understand it. He did learn mermish so why not snakish
I’ve got a plot hole: how they forget to include me in the story and forgot to send me my Hogwarts letter
this comment just missed the mark
Same
Welcome to the club😭😭😭
They actually did, the thing is you and some other muggles broke the rules, so one of the proffessors had to erase your memory and send you back. Sorry bout dat
@@Jeremy73950 bruh now i have depression coz of this comment
I always thought Dumbledore's flying to the Ministry was meant as a subtle insult to the Ministry of Magic.
ian laedtke how?
@@alinecosac4887 As in he doesn't care about Ministry emergencies.
@@clbmurat or he had to wait for administration to allow him to see the minister in question :)
yeah! she totally answered that one herself. Why would Dumbledore take the slowest route to answer an urgent call from the ministry? Obviously to take the slowest route to the ministry.
The real reason why he flew is because other forms of magical transportation weren't invented yet. The first time floo powder is mentioned is CoS.
The basilisk was technically not described in the book as anything more than a large snake. The plot hole is more a problem with the movie than the book.
makes sense, as according to general lore I dont think basilisks were ever portrayed as giant snakes. in fact more often as some kind of lizard. So making it a general big snake, not a behemoth, makes sense. Like why would you need to evolve to become massive, if you already kill stuff with your gaze.
The real plot hole with the basilisk is: How was it surviving for all these centuries? Don't basilisks need to eat?
@@PhilBagels wasn't there lots of animal bones in the chamber
When they found the skin, it was indicated that the creature would have been at least 20ft long. That's about 6m which, while long, is not much longer than the king cobra and there are anacondas of comparable size. So it's fully possible that, while large, it may not have been much longer than anything that exists in nature.
It is almost certain that it was of greater girth than any normal snake, though, as Myrtle described it as having large yellow eyes. Snakes are generally slender with small heads and eyes, so the basilisk would likely have needed a much bigger head to accommodate large eyes and a thicker body to accommodate its head.
Also, Harry drove a sword through its skull all the way to the hilt, and the snake punctured his arm, not his hand. That would be one hell of an achievement if the creature's head was the size of a king cobra or anaconda.
Dont they find the snakes skin which is about 40 feet long, in the book?
Minor Plothole: The Thestrals. Harry cannot see the Thestrals pulling the “horseless carriages” until the beginning of The Order of the Phoenix despite having seen his mother die. Now it could be argued that because he was so young, Harry did not remember his mother’s death and therefore could not see the thestrals. He was however present when Quirrell died in The Sorcerer’s Stone having killed the professor himself. Now it could be argued again that because he was in unbearable pain, potentially having his eyes clenched tight, he did not see Quirrell die (source: TSS, Chapter 17, “He couldn’t see. He could only hear Quirrell’s a terrible shrieks and Voldemort’s yells of Kill him Kill Him”). It is explained in The Order of the Phoenix that Harry can now see the thestrals because he saw Cedric die in The Goblet of Fire. There are two problems with this fact. First, Harry did not see the thestrals pulling the Carriages at the end of TGoF on the way to the Hogwarts Express (Source: TGoF, chapter 37, “Hermione turned away, smiling at the horseless carriages”). And second, Harry did NOT watch Cedric die (source: TGoF, Chapter 32, “A flash of green light blazed through Harry’s eyelids and he heard something heavy fall to the ground beside him [...]terrified of what he was about to see, he opened his eyes”).
Cedric's was the first death he experienced because technically Quirrel evaporated or some shiz also it may originally have been a mistake but Rowling did mention that you need to have "accepted" the death in question before you can see the thestrals which did only happen over the summer as he was still in shock at the end of GoF.
That's a very good point and something I've always wondered.
They said you have to see and LIVED the death . Somebody made on that one a video :) thats why he didnt see it before
Anna Pedersenová could you post a link to that video please
quirrel had voldy in the back of his head... and voldy didnt die.
Oof! That was painful. One of my most nagging plot holes is in book two. No adult in fifty years thought to ask Moaning Myrtle how she died. Even right after it happened...... Side note: there is evidence in books 2 and 7 that ghosts are subject and participant in legal proceedings. I'm sure there is precedent for her testifying in her own murder trial.
I reckon she was so annoying no one wanted to engage in conversation. We all know someone like that
Did we always had these ghost? Should I be worried? Nah, it's fine.
I feel that this is a better pothole than the one she brings up of pipes being huge. As Salazar Slitherin was there for construction of the school, and could have cast spells to allow them to be bigger on the inside than outside and it could even have seemed rational to the other founders as this would help with water flow and keeping the sanitation clear. Also is there evidence that the Basilisk in the book was anywhere near as large as the one in the movie? I mean a large snake like the one in the first book would still be very scary and fast especially if it could kill with a glance and would fit through slightly large pipes like ones at a large castle.
well all she saw is two yellow eyes so...
i think its canon they cant remember there deaths not 100% sure though
This is not a plot hole but is something that consistently messes with my mind. Moody. He is a character who is, I think, pretty consistently liked by everyone. He's this grumpy old guy who is super blunt but honest and treats the students like the young adults they are and acknowledges the dire circumstances they find themselves in. We love him. BUT! When we develop those feelings for him, he's actually Barty Crouch jr the whole time. So is it actually Barty we like? Or Moody? Or Barty's version of Moody? See, messes with my head! X
I never thought of that but it makes sense I always did like book 4 but I found it felt very strained with the relationship drama like Ron is supposed to be loyal but he ditches Harry (I give him a pass in book 7 because it was a difficult journey and he had to do a lot to befriend Them again) but in book 4 it was like yah let’s be friends again idk it felt wired
This has always bothered me a bit too.
I mean I know it doesn’t completely answer the question but he had Moody trapped in a trunk. And I’m feeling like in order for him to have done so he may have been stalking him for quiet a while. Long enough to take notes on his specific mannerisms and speech. Enough to not raise too much suspicion.
I was up Moody Bean Barty Crouch jr. The entire year, was one of the biggest plot holes that really damaged book for in my opinion. If Barty Crouch could have kidnapped and Polyjuice himself into Moody somewhere in the middle of the year, then I think it would have been a better story and made our love for Moody's character a lot more real.
@@chuckwieser7622 so true, but Barty would have had to be around to get Harry into the tournament etc
Owls can find Sirius Black by magic when no one knows where he is, why dont the auras simply write him (or any other villian) a letter and follow the owl?
oh boy ! you re right ! :o
Detective Pecky is on the case!
They don't know Sirius is an Animagus. So they would only find a dog.
@@annatrefie that doesn't solve the issue, why didn't they try? plus they all know Animagus exist so if the owls go to a dog take the dog in, I mean even Voldemort could use owls to find his enemies 🤷♂️
@@rkinczel Kingsley was the auror in charge to track Sirius in the ministry but since he was in the order, he manipulated the search for Sirius.
The Basilik one isn't really a plot hole since space never really mattered in magic places. We saw tents hiding houses inside of them, bags and luggage that could contain whole rooms... Plus in the first book it is said of the castle that some rooms just changed randomly changed spots. In this context, I'm not really surprised by huge pipes fitting in what should be tiny walls 🤷🏿♂️
And no one mentions the giant hole from the third floor i mean does it reach through all rooms beneath it no it doesnt its only in the third floor
Yes, and to answer her retorical question, "who built those pipes" : Salazar Slitherin obviously, and he made sure his pet could travel through it
@@kombava7275 no salazar didn't built the pipes it was one of his descendents he also built the connection to the girls toilet the entrence was somewhere else bevore that
Two words...
Punctuation marks
I believe the basilisk is not as big as shown in the movie. The book does not describe it as that big. Secondly, the pipes are mostly in the floors (as usually with plumming) and could be positioned insight the spiral stairs when going from one floor to the other. Room within spiral stairs can be quite big
When people say that everything that JK Rowling writes about Harry Potter is canon I have to disagree because she said The Cursed Child is canon...
Agreed. Death of the author baby!
She was also talking about the play and not the book which hasn't been criticized as much, if at all, by people who have seen it, though I do get it the point.
@@Buffy8Fan the book is the screenplay of the stage play...it's basically the script.
@@RachaelTheRed The play was also praised as being well performed and done. I wouldn't know why other than people saying reading a script is different than seeing it performed and that I agree with.
I don’t understand why people hate crimes of grindelwald more than that piece of shit lmao. Crimes of grindelwald was a bit incohesive but still enjoyable, cursed child was an absolutely ridiculous mess, why couldn’t we just have a fun book about normal stuff albus and Scorpius got up to at hogwarts?
..... How did Salazar Slytherin create the entrance to the Chamber Of Secrets in the Girl’s second floor bathroom,when he was alive several HUNDRED YEARS BEFORE THE INVENTION OF PLUMBING.
That sure enough is a good one. So much better than the video, thank you for that :) maybe he used the disign Romans did and improved it and was the inventor of toilets :P. Romans were much more intelligent than Catholics and had at least something like a sewage system. Or maybe he created something similar and it got rebuild with proper toilets and stuff and they just kept the water taps because they looked great^^? I dunno but I think JKR owns us an answer!
Because magic.
RKayy
A wizard did it
Wizards were always super advanced. Look at the shop opening dates in Diagon alley in the movies...
Slushi Husker If wizards are supposed to be hundreds of years ahead of normal people, then why do they still use old- fashioned trains to travel to and from Hogwarts instead of some super-advanced Bullet-Train. If anything, wizards are far behind in terms of technology, if the fact that Hogwarts is literally a CASTLE doesn’t show that.
It’s mentioned in the fourth book that dumbledore understands several hundred languages, making it plausible that he understands parseltongue. But if he does understand it, why the hell was he just sitting around in Chamber of Secrets??!
I thought you could only understand parseltongue if you're a slytherin? Which would make it impossible for Dumbledore to learn it. That's why it was so odd that Harry knew it until we learned why he was the exception. But I could be remembering it wrong
The mechanics behind it are a little fuzzy... But in the 7th book Ron manages to open the Chamber of Secrets by mimicking Harry's parseltongue, which makes it seem like it is a language that can be learned by anyone. But the mechanics behind it seems like a plothole in itself, because there's no explanation behind why some slytherins are just born knowing it :)
Enjoyed the video, btw :)
Enjoyed the video, btw :)
Tiny correction, it's the descendants of Salazar Slytherin who are born knowing Parseltongue, not just any Slytherin students. I do believe it could be learned, like Ron in book 7, but I don't believe Dumbledore knew it.
I am rereading the sixth book right now and just yesterday read that chapter with Merope, Morfin and Marvolo (fun fact, his name was changed to Elvis in the French version so Voldemort's name could make sense with the anagram in book 2). Dumbledore seems to know what is being discussed, but he already knew Tom Riddle Senior was Voldemort's father, so I believe he simple deduced the cause of their conflict, like he deduced so many other details.
In the book Hermione didn't erase her parent's memories, she modified them
Lauren Camila i was going to comment this, they just put that in the movie it is not in the book.
So when she says obliviate in the movie that was a mistake/change from the directors?
@@evangelion8793 Yes it is
Yes but that's still a memory charm
@@bloodtasteslikecookies6640 Yes,but the memory charm in the movies permanently erased the memories whereas in the books it was temporary
One of the biggest plot holes throughout all the movies is the Marauder's map, because Fred and George would've surely thought that it is weird that a guy named Peter Pettigrew was following their brother everywhere, including the toilet and his bed (also, Harry never notices that either)
@@naisha2442 No? First of, where does it say that, but also, Harry didn't know Pettigrew either?
i saw a theory which is that only the marauders can see other marauders on the map - which would make sense in the book (i think in the movie snape also sees them but i can’t remember exactly?)
@J.A.DinosaursMateStraightUp💙💚 i think snape seeing them was only in the movie but i’m not sure… if it was in the book then maybe it’s something to do with being in Animagus form? sirius would’ve been in human form when he saw and Peter would’ve been in animagus form when he saw
@@naisha2442 Sorry I don’t buy this excuse.
Seamus Gorman already figured this one out
Lol, hermione forgot about casting her memory charm. SHE FORGOT
This is MAYBE the one defenceable thing. I think the difference is that before Hermione only made her parents forget, or erased footprints. This time she changed their memories, which even slughorn couldn't do right.
She forgot about the charm I forgot about the charm it's a very forgettable charm
or she lied because she didn't want to do it again since it was a bad memory
Well, Hermione kind of forgot about casting her memory charm but memory charm certainly didn't forget about her :D
@@zoewolfe4267 I think that's probably the explanation and it's also reliable, she literally lost her parents and can't see them again.
Magical pipes bigger on the inside, pretty standard Harry Potter lore
I thought the same :)
Clearly its made from that T.A.R.D.I.S material! #thedoctoriseverywhere
But why are there pipes in the first place
Yea that doesnt seem like a plot hole to me. Of course slytherin could have magically made the pipes undetectabley bigger so his snake could use them.
@Samurai Jack actually you can make water, aguamenti, literally the water conjuring spell
Number two: Remember Hermione's bag in book seven? Same spell could have been used for the pipes, after all: the larger the pipes, the lesser the chance of constipation 🤷
bruh this is actually genius
@Patrick McCormack thanks😁
I'm pretty sure no one except Dumbledore and a few of the Hogwarts staff could make magical alterations to the school's layout. Ginny/Tom would've had to have enchanted all the pipes with the same type of charm, which doesn't seem feasible. Maybe you could put the charm on the basilisk so it distorts space wherever it goes, which would be pretty awesome actually, but that seems unlikely too. Maybe the big pipes were in the floor and the voice echoed up through the walls?
@@36moshpit7 but wasn't it Salazar Slytherin who started the whole basilisk-thing? A founder of the school surely would have the ability to make such changes.
@@maikenelissen3767 Yeah, I actually forgot Salazar created the Basilisk for a second. But that raises another question: if Salazar put Extension Charms on the school's entire plumbing system, you'd think some of the staff would notice, right? It wouldn't take much for a teacher or house-elf (because there's no way Filch cleans that entire school by himself) to do a routine maintenance check on the pipes or cast a couple of diagnostic spells and notice there was a little more magic at work then there should've been. Salazar definitely would've been more capable of enchanting the Basilisk itself, but then why not also make it less, you know, killable?
Basilisks are actually meant to be able to squeeze through tight pipes though, but what I don’t get is the GHOSTS.
There are a lot of Ghosts who travel through the WALLS ALL THE TIME at Hogwarts, I’m surprised none of them ever saw it during the 2. Book. It would be so awkward if Peeves of something was just chilling going through a wall and the Basilisk Zoomed through him 😂
Thats a good theory but if they saw the basilisks eyes then they would be petrified
@@rileycook7686 Ghosts can't be killed though)
@@leeisloveleeislife5074 thats why they said 'petrified'. there's precedent with nearly headless nick, who was a victim of the basilisk as well
I can't remember if it's in the book, but Nearly Headless Nick got petrified in the movie. I only remember because of how goofy it looked lol
This is a book spoiler video!
YES Veritaserum is the most underused thing by wizard courts. Sirius was locked up for 12 YEARS when some truth potion could have released him right away!
Veritaserum can't actually force anyone to telm the truth, only what they believe it's true. Because Sirius believed he was innocent the Veritaserum couldn't be trusted.
For me the most underused potion was felix felicis (excuse the spelling), imo it was as broken as avadakedabra.
Veriteserum ISNT ANYWHERE NEAR FOOLPROOF the ONLY reason it worked on barty is because hed been stunned & knocked out & the potion was administered on him while he was unconcious & THEN he was revived wizards can fake drinking it like harry did n front of umbridge transform it or employ occlumency 2 counter its effects theres just 2 many counters 2 it 4 it 2 b used n court cases
Sirius could have been an Occlumens
Heck why didn't anyone use some sort of time turner to see what happened?
Number two is easy: in the books, the Basilisk actually isn't all that huge. The text describes it as "twenty feet long," which is the size of a large cobra.
It is never explicitly mentioned how long it is, at least not in book two. What we do learn is that its body is "thick as an oak trunk" and "He could see the vast, bloody eye sockets, see the mouth stretching wide, wide enough to swallow him whole, lined with fangs long as his sword..." seems pretty in line with what the movie version is portraying.
@@Znyggisen You sure about that? Maybe we read different editions, because I definitely remember twenty feet being mentioned. And Rowling has admitted she has trouble with numbers, so it's possible she wrote the things smaller than she meant to and backtracked.
@@bigfatcarp93 Perhaps, I could not find my physical copy (published b4 the films) but the quotes are taken from an ebook from 2012. I searched all entries for length/basilisk/feet and there are no mentions of length aside from it being a giant snake.
@@Znyggisen If the basilisk looked like he could swallow Harry whole, it may well be the size of an adult boa, since they could no poblem fit a teenage boy in them
@@TheCrimsonPope Yes and a boa has the body of an oak and fangs the length of swords.. smh
I always believed Basilisk was actually around the size of a large snake, an Anaconda on steroids maybe. Then it would make sense for it to use the pipes to move around the school. This is more of a movie plothole, I think.
"The creature that had shed it must have been twenty feet long at least." Description of the shed basilisk skin
@@jimb1453 twenty feet is like six meters, so understandable for a very large snek
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a large snake on steroids. . . . 😂😂😂
@@jimb1453 she says in the book the Basilisk is at thick as an oak tree trunk
@@user-sm5sj6mg2t "twenty feet long at least."
Is an uneducated guess from looking at a shredded skin from HP's perspective in the book.
They grow up to 50 foot long and live as long as 900 years, yet this one is approximately 1000 years old so possibly even bigger since serpents don't ever stop growing and shedding until they die. That could have been one of it's shed skins from 600 years ago? We don't know.
The plot hole in the 4th goes way deeper than that. In order to prove that Voldemort is really back, give Harry the truth serum and he would say the truth and we can get rid of the entire 5th book.
Also, my biggest problem with the 5th book is that Hermione leaves hats out under garbage so the house elves pick it up accidentally. And yet: the house elves aren't hers to free, and the elves picking up clothing wouldn't free them: it is already stated that the elves do their laundry.
I always thought fudge knew the truth but didn’t want to admit it to the public, his failure as a minister.
The minister knew it was true but didn’t want to admit to the public.
Fudge knew the truth but he didn't want to admit it even to himself, that's what made him a horrible minister
It was purposely suppressed for political purposes by Fudge,so why in the world would he allow it to be revealed? This also may be why the other countries didn't react to Tom. The US ministry kept telling them "Everything is fine,Voldermorts return is a conspiracy theory." Aren't corrupt government officials fun?
I think there's a touch of reality there with the ignorant minister, trying to stay in power instead of finding the truth
“Basilisks can grow up to fifty feet in length, squeeze into pipes despite their massive size, and their tough scales reflect most spells similarly to dragon hide.” I think that answers your question
DRAGON HIDES REFLECT SPELLS?
Toby Lythgoe source?
Kept banging on about mile thick walls aswell...
Chase Ambrose
Well a couple things I guess. I hate to say it but it sounds like a lazy defense but the Basilisk IS magic. It can go in and out of pipes because that’s just what it’s able to do.
As for Moaning Myrtle, we know the Basilisk stare does effect ghosts so since she was never paralyzed we can assume she just never saw it (again that is-it did kill her)
Also ghosts in the Harry Potter world are rarely altruistic. There’s literally nothing in it for them to give up information like that.
Chase Ambrose
My philosophy with novels is if there’s a somewhat reasonable defense for a question even if it’s lazy that’s good enough for me and shouldn’t really be counted against the book. That’s part of the fun as a reader is engaging further with the text and imagining explanations. Plus if Rowling had said while writing “well it doesn’t really make sense for this massive snake to travel through these pipes like that” then she’d have to rethink the entire structure of her mystery just to solve a plot hole that you can dismiss by saying “it’s a magic snake”
And also, the function of the Basilisk is to terrorize muggle-borns right? If it had just been eating them nobody would find the bodies and then there’d be no terror and it would probably just be *Harry Potter and the Set of Mysterious Unexplained Disappearances in an Otherwise Normal Year.*
Myrtle has shared information before but only by a whim. She doesn’t really care she kinda treats everything happening like more entertainment for her.
And she’s kind of a sensitive person and she is still a child so it’s reasonable she might not be interested enough to find out what exactly killed her. But again that’s all headcanon.
Unless the book directly stated “Myrtle was an especially curious child and always liked solving mysteries” I see no reason to count it as a strike against the book.
another plot hole: if they can reverse spells on a wand to see the lasts spells that were casted, they ministry could've done that to sirius's wand and he would be proved innocent.
Wands are not registered in Europe, so they wouldn't do it because he could've gotten another wand for himself
Didn't they accuse him of using a gun? A muggle weapon?
He wasn’t given a trial.
Crouch was obsessed with catching Dark wizards at the time, and he gave the order to imprison Sirius without a trial. If they had held a trial for Sirius he likely would've been proven innocent. Not a plothole, just Crouch being a git
@@SennaHawx He blew up a street.
Book 1: Dumbledore took the slowest way to flex on the magic ministry
The stuff that always bugged me was wand allegiance. There were many duels and expelliarmus charms throughout the whole series, but they never ended in wand-loyalty-transfer until the last book. It can conveniently be explained away by wands having a mind of their own and being finicky, but it feels very obvious that it was just not invented until the last book(s).
The wand choses the wizard
I think her original idea was that was an elder wand trait..... To unlock its superior power. In the case of Harry also getting the allegiance of Malfoy:s wand. I don't think it was quite the same... That's not necessarily a plot hole. Besides there being a big difference between practicing and actually fighting, etc.... It is possible that wands are sort of semi sentient enough... That there could be a little something to defeat the wizard.... Get less resistance from the wand... Or the ones really sick of the wizard and likes the new person better.... The main thing of the allegiance was about unlocking the superiority of the wand from what I can tell. That's a minor thing....
Going to argue devil's advocate regarding Secret Keepers:
It actually does make sense for James and Lilly to have a 3rd party secret keeper, so that other Order members could hypothetically be told the location in case they needed to contact, evacuate, or join Lily and James in hiding (or even just let them know when it was safe). Sirius, as their best friend, would be a great target for deception, and could potentially be tricked into revealing the location to a Death Eater disguised as an Order member or by some other means of trickery, while Peter was considered unimportant and less vulnerable to espionage (oh the tragic irony).
In the case of Bill being his own secret keeper, the Order would've learned from their past mistakes and increased vigilance, which we do see demonstrated by Mr. and Mrs. Weasley checking each other's identities. This time they know the extra precautions really are necessary. CONSTANT VIGILANCE!
Kaleidoscopic Fractal Wonderful explanation! This is also what I assumed :)
The other option is torture, the Imperius curse may not force him to tell the location but use the Crucio (sp?) on him and tell him that if he willingly gives the information for them to stop or let him go would get around it.
Also Lily and James couldn't leave the house. Who would do the shopping and stuff? The secret keeper would bring them what they needed like groceries and messages
i dont think that's how it works though...
Using Grimmauld Place as one of our better examples- Dumbledore was the secret keeper- so he had to tell people the location, Harry had to read the address written down by him, and then they could access the house, but the people with access cant reveal the secret because they arent the secret keeper. For example, Snape was frequently in Grimmauld Place, but he wasnt the secret keeper, so he literally couldnt tell Voldy where it was, and that was perfectly fine and logical to everyone. Snape had been told the location by Dumbledore, but literally couldnt reveal the location to anyone else.
So James or Lilly could have been their own secret keeper and just revealed the location to members of the Order, who could then access the house but would be unable to reveal the location to anyone else. right?
To me, having a secret keeper stay in the location protected by the charm is a pretty surefire system for safety.
@@fenrir6002 This is what I thought. Technically you're willingly giving over the information in exchange for the torment to stop. I think 'forced' here is not clearly defined
Hermione never used obliviate on her parents. This is a book vs. movie issue. In book 7 Hermione tells Harry and co. that she bewitched her parents making them believe that they didn't have a daughter and compelling them to go on holiday out of the country.
This is different from a memory charm in that the effect is temporary and is more akin to hypnosis, whereas we learn in book 5 that memory charms are permanent alterations to a person's memory. They can't simply be undone.
In the movie, we actually get to see the scene with Hermione and her parents, (which on its own should be a red flag as far as book accuracy is concerned because Harry is not present - the books are always told from Harry's perspective with only a handful of exceptions; this is not one of them) and she literally says "obliviate", but this is not canon to the books.
I thought that too
Didn't she specifically make them believe they were different people from "the Grangers"? A family without a daughter. Which is a pretty clever way of bypassing the necessity for a memory charm! Memories of the Granger family (including Hermione) remain - they just think it's some other family and someone else's daughter. (What you said still stands though, I'm just adding on.)
Malcolm Muhammad, I think the permanence of the Memory Charm depends on the skill of the one who performa it. Lockhardt was particularly skilled with this, and apparently that’s all I think I know about them. But I agree, it was probably a combination of charms and not a Memory Charm.
@Tackle Box yep. Both Ron and Hermione have birthdays during the school year and would have turned 17 before end of term in year 6, which is kinda weird because other than during the lead up to their apparating license exam Ron and Hermione's birthdays are never mentioned. Does Harry never celebrate his best friends' birthdays??
Also, iirc, we never see her parents again after that, so if she did erase herself from their memory I guess it's not really a plot hole, just really dark head canon, but honestly I kinda digg it, like she knew she was giving up her parents forever but was still willing to do it to make sure they were safe. New head canon confirmed.
Almost every issue I have with this series stems from Rowling inventing new things for new books, then those cool things either never come back up (time turner) or break things in the past (apparition).
1000% this. It's ok that you didn't think of all of this at the time jk. But stop pretending you did. Absolute nonsense.
And then she will claim she thought of this plot 70 years ago.
I hate apparition.
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The time turning thing...... That was a bit much. The ramifications of such magic is too much. And who would trust that kind of power to a child?!!! I mean seriously?
The thing with Sirius makes sense to me, I always read it as you can't magically force a person to give up the location. So a compulsion charm or Imperious or even dousing someone with Veritaserum wouldn't reveal the location because unless a person chooses to give it to you it can't be said.
But torturing someone is fair game because they'll reach a point where they choose to reveal the location to make the pain stop. Like, sure a judge would rule that choice was made under duress, but I'm not sure magic cares about *why* you chose something, just that it was your choice.
So Sirius didn't trust himself not to eventually break under torture.
That being said, it's definitely still a plot-hole with Bill proving you can be your own secret keeper.
My head canon on Secret keeping in book 7 is Bill and Arthur tried and it works
@@andrewshearsby8125 I like that. Bill was also a Curse Breaker and so theoretically had studied charms a bit longer than the rest. May have been able to bridge a theoretical gap that they couldn't.
But Bill was keeping secret the location of Shell Cottage. Pettigrew was keeping secret the location of James/Lily +/- the location of their house. So it's not the same thing.
Also, is it book-cannon that Pettigrew was also keeping secret the location of Harry specifically? Coz this seems like something the wizarding world might generally forget to do
@@elizabethgrosvenor153 I've never read anything to imply that secret keeping works on people and not solely on places? Everything we saw implies it's tied to a place since the concept was first brought up in regards to 12 Grimmauld Place.
You read the location and know about that location.
Edit to add: Like with 12 Grimmauld Place it was also "The Headquarters of the Order of the Pheonix" but that didn't mean that if they decided to meet at a muggle pub and call that the new headquarters the charm would transfer over. It seemed to be grounded on a physical locale
@@yuukinoyuki9064 I don't think that's true. I think in 'ordinary life' it would be used to conceal the location of objects like jewellery and other valuables to prevent theft. Every time we see it, it's been hiding people, but that's because they were in a war situation. They were taking ordinary spells and adapting their use.
But for your muggle pub example, that would be a different secret, if they moved, so I understand that would need a different charm every time. As would the jewellery, I think
Possible explanation for plothole 1: Dumbledore was sick of Fudge asking for help, so when he got a letter ‘from Fudge’ he decided to take it slow on purpose to put it off!
Dumbledore just wanting to be an a-hole is the funniest explanation.
Hoganply - “Oh god its Fudge again! Can’t that man handle anything on his own? Ya know what? Fuck it, I’m taking a broom! No floo, no apperation, I’m taking the damn broom! Any time away from that incompetent is time well spent!” - Albus Dumbledore upon receiving the ‘Letter from Fudge’
I never thought of this. Love this theory^^
Very in keeping with Dumbledore's character.
He deliberately took it slow so that the trio could try their strength against the schoolteachers’ obstacle course. Harry remarks that Dumbledore knows what’s going on around the school when Ron and Hermione visit him in the hospital wing afterwards.
To the performing magic around Harry thing: I think that he wasn't charged with anything when other wizards were around him, because it was just that: other wizards. But when Dobby does it, I think the trace recognizes the magic as "not coming from another wizard" so it was assumed Harry performed the spell.
Ohhhh yeah...I think that was mentioned somewhere, maybe in the books? I remember that explanation now. *thumbs up*
No in book 5 it is stated that there is no current record of any other witch or wizard living in Little Whinging besides Harry Potter by Amelia Bones at Harry's hearing. Unless the Weasley's told the Ministry that they were picking Harry up and taking him away, then there was no reason to believe that the Ministry wouldn't detect it and blame Harry even more for doing magic. The house elf thing is extremely annoying as it is canon that house elf magic is not equivalent to wizards magic so how can the Ministry detect any house elf magic at all even if it does occur near underage wizards? And why would they not accuse Harry of disapparating then as Dobby clearly does? Yes it's impossible to track WHERE a wizard apparates to unless you grab on to them, but the act of doing so should be able to be detected by the trace(especially since you apparently can't apparate without a wand). It's very odd.
i think this is explained in one of the books actually! it says that the trace just picks up magic in a certain house, small area, etc, but not who does the magic. if there are of age wizards there, it's assumed it's them, as they are expected to be able to keep the underage wizards under control. however, given that harry was the only wizard in the house, it was assumed to have been him.
I don't know if apparation is technically magic, but either way theyd know it couldn't be harry as he wouldnt have been taught it yet. im guessing its a pretty hard thing to learn yourself, especially for a twelve year old haha
@@abee2557 Yeah, but why wouldn't they come and investigate it? Harry is a top security concern for the Ministry too(Madam Bones says that the matter of records of witches or wizards living in Little Whinging has been closely monitored because of past events- clearly the Ministry knew it was possible other witches or wizards could have been a danger to Harry or would have tried to meet him given how famous he is).
Apparation most certainly is magic especially if a witch or wizard needs a wand to execute it. Either way, no muggle can do it and it is accomplished via the witch or wizard's magical will/determination alone.
Is nobody going to mention how Hermione thought she could free the house elves by leaving out clothes? Their not hers to free, for one, and it wouldn't work either way since it needs to be handed to them. I mean, the elves do their laundry! Really not sure what she was thinking.
It doesn’t need to be handed directly to them though. Harry didn’t directly give Dobby the sock. But he put it in the diary with the intention of freeing him. I don’t see why this would be any different with Hermione’s situation. Also what do you mean by “they’re not hers to free”. By this logic Harry shouldn’t have freed Dobby because he didn’t own him
@@jaimelannister1797 You appear to be making a critical mistake. Harry put a sock on the diary, Lucius Malfoy gave the sock to dobby. Dobby wasn't Harry's to free, but he tricked malfoy into doing it.
@@davidraveh5966 my bad. I haven’t read the books in a couple years. Sorry
@@jaimelannister1797 Harry didn’t free Dobby Lucius Malfoy did. HE gave the book to Dobby.
She was way up on her high horse.
Couldn’t Harry have been the secret keeper so he physically couldn’t say the location because Harry was a baby
I think you should understand a spell for it to work
That’s what I was thinking! But then I realized that he was only one years old and that would not work.
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The secret key could only be given to the third person, not the person to be hidden...
@@melerad2814 except that doesnt hold up becuase dumbledore is secret keeper for grimauld place and was still able to be there regularly
Voldemort wouldn't do an unbreakable vow because then he would be bound by the terms as well. He expects loyalty but wouldn't risk himself to remain loyal his followers
...Then why not define the terms in such a way that only they give loyalty?
@@jpruedag How about ' i will not betray you '? Or hell, why not say it in a way that would work - ' will not do anything against the pureblood cause'. He is charismatic, and only needs to convince the starting group, the rest will join from sheer peer pressure.
I always just thought that he didn’t need to, he already keeps his death eaters under fear, they all know that if they leave he will kill them (we see this most clearly in book 7 with the whole RAB plot line) with the unbreakable vow if you break it you just die, maybe Voldemort prefers more cruel and torturous forms of killing to punish those who betray him
@@runelt99 He did, when he gave Petigrew his silver hand, it turned on him in a moment of doubt. it was just a flitting moment, but it was enough for the hand to betray him.
@@theblackdahlia88 i thought that was because the hand was created by V-man, not because of some vow.
11:15 Dumbledore doesn't speak parcel-tongue. While this is true, he's not looking at a regular recording of the event. He's magically viewing the memory of the event from the perspective of someone who DOES speak parcel-tongue. I don't think it would be too much of a stretch to assume the meaning of the words were embedded within the memory.
See, that explains the memory of Voldemort going to take the ring, but what about the first memory of Morfin's attempted arrest? Wasn't it from the perspective of that Ministry wizard whose name I can't remember? He didn't speak Parseltongue and he was bewildered when the Gaunts were speaking it, the meaning certainly wouldn't be embedded in that memory.
Personally I think it's very possible that Dumbledore could understand Parseltongue. There's no indication that it's not a learnable language, and we already know Dumbledore can speak some really wacky languages (he speaks Mermish in GoF). He probably would've learned it once he realized it was relevant to Tom Riddle's backstory.
A Nintendo Fan Kinda Guy I disagree. Parseltongue is just snakes hissing, you either understand it or you don’t. However, like Hermione said, Salazar Slytherin was born a long time ago, for all it’s worth, Dumbledore could be a descendant of him
What if Dumbledore didn't understand it but harry can?
It seems more reasonable to assume Dumbledore was just wicked smart and knew many magical languages, including Mermish and Gobbledegook. I mean, I also happen to speak Spanish besides Enlgish, which enables me to understand plenty of Italian and Portuguese even though I can't speak those languages. I really don't think that Dumbledore being able to understand parcel tongue is that surprising or anything close to a plot hole.
@@possessedloneliness1253 the book FLAT OUT SAYS harry can understand them dumbledore says 2 harry i assume u can understand them & harry says yes of course y cant bob ogden(the ministry official) then harry looks @ the snake on the door & realizes theyre speaking parseltongue
It’s actually really inspiring as someone writing a novel series that things can be so messed up and still be good. People ether don’t notice or let it go.
In the case of Harry Potter people notice but they don’t care at all.
I remember letting some go. I remember a couple of them really bugging me. I missed others all together. For a moment I thought the time turner thing was cool, while the twist was happening and buckbeak was being saved, etc...and then that seemed ridiculous the more I thought about it... Forget about that kind of magic being way too big of a Pandora's box overall.... Even who would entrust that to a child!!!!? Even an honor student... That's just nuts. It's fine for children's story. But this turned out to be and everyone story!
This isn't a plot hole, but I just got done listening to all the audio books again and thought about it. I understand that the reader has to learn about various things, and they're introduced through the main character, especially as the author comes up with new aspects across the series. But it really struck me this time: Harry never bothers to learn anything on his own. It's his 4th year into knowing about the wizarding world, and he's just now discovering what a death eater is, the dark mark either in the sky or on people's arms, the unforgivable curses, countless other examples. If it were me, I'd want to pull up news papers and textbooks to learn about the magical world in my first year. But especially if there was this insane wizarding war that ended because a dude tried to kill me, I'd be going through archives and old daily prophets soaking up every bit of information about the dude that tried to kill me and the war. But he's just like, "a guy tried to kill me? And everyone's so scared they won't even speak his name? That's crazy. Well, that's about all the info I'm interested in."
Harry having zero interest in the whole wizarding world is in fact the biggest plot hole. Hermione is what a muggle would be if they discovered magic and hidden world. Harry acts like everything around him is normal occurance but the boy spent his life in a fricking closet.
To be fair wizard architecture has never been very practical
THIS!! The weasley house, how in any way is that practical? Just running down the stairs could cause the house to fall down!
Not a fan of the vanishing steps are you? Lol
‘Keep an eye on the staircases. They like to cha-ange.’
@@j.d.529 The vanishing steps and the moving staircases are probably methods to weed out the dumbest of the student body. Early Darwinism.
@@TheYasmineFlower 😆
The pipes in CoS is a pretty big plothole, sure.. But an issue with the entire mystery itself is the original victim of the Basilisk is literally a ghost who can talk to any investigators. How was the mystery never solved until Harry showed up and talked to Moaning Myrtle?
Perhaps because Myrtle was always moaning and people always teased her instead of speaking to her, so she didn't like to talk to them about her life.
@@astrid2885 that works as an explanation until you remember people like Dumbledore exist in this world. The idea that Dumbledore gave up on asking Myrtle about her death because she moaned too much is crazy to me
@@TheMightofDab I didn't say Dumbledore gave up on talking to Myrtle. I said "people". Dumbledore never teased people, at least from what we know about Dumbledore after Ariana's death. I've always thought about it as classic Ministry practice. Tom accused Hagrid, Tom was popular, the Ministry didn't want to complicate things more as they didn't want anyone to believe the heir had come. Dumbledore after that had his mind on Tom even more after that event and that says something. Tom never opened the chamber again and Dumbledore thought that the problem would probably never become a thing again. I don't remember if he mentions it in the CoS or in another book, but Dumbledore has said that even he was fooled by Tom's charms sometimes.
@@astrid2885 I was using Dumbledore as an example of someone whose existence makes the fact that the Basilisk killing people was a mystery a plot hole. Myrtle was clearly not impossible to talk to, as Harry managed it.
@@TheMightofDab Yes, that's why I've talked about the Ministry practices. Even if Dumbledore or anyone else talked to Myrtle this would have been a mess and Myrtle if I remember correctly didn't say Tom Riddle's name (or I'm just too tired now to remember if she really did say it). Even if they knew about the basilisk what about the heir? I don't think that the Ministry would have let anyone believe the heir was trully in Hogwarts. Surely this is up for more discussion than the pipe problem, because that one might be solved by a spell, but Myrtle was a part of the castle and a couple lines about why didn't she talk to anybody before would have solved the mystery.
Something came to me. Harry Potter has that map and still Mad eye Moody turning out to be Barty Crouch Jr.
Moody took that map from him midway through the book
He appears as Bartemius (was that the correct spelling?) Crouch on the map, because technically that’s his full name and “Junior” doesn’t count as part of it. That’s why that scenario took place on the stairs, when Harry saw Crouch’s name in Snape’s office. That was the first time he noticed the phenomenon and then Moody took it immediately afterwards. And with all the panic from almost getting caught by Snape, he didn’t get to look at the map for a few minutes in between seeing Crouch in Snape’s office and having it taken from him.
In the book, Harry sees Moody/Barty on the map as "Barty Crouch" as he breaks into Snape's office for ingredientes for the Polyjuice Potion, so Harry got there to see what's going on and was almost getting caught by Snape as he saw Barty (as Moody) getting out of Snape's office. So the map did show Barty as Bary even when he impostered, it's not a plothole
I'm more baffled that Fred and George had than map for two and half years and never once questioned why there was a guy called Peter Pettigrew in their brothers dorm?
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In book 6 dumbledore said something about he can't get the memory from Horacio by veritaserum. You can resist the power of potion if you know about it. But in Goblet Dumbledore made Barty to drink it while he was uncontious, so he didn't realize he had swallowed the potion.
Book three can be explained like this: the secret keeper would willingly give up the information to stop the pain.
I was thinking that too, but then that makes the question, what’s the point of having a secret keeper? Is it because it makes the other parties involved physically incapable of giving up the information except for the secret keeper? If so, the title “secret keeper” would be kind of a misnomer.
I don't think you can do that. I found this on Harry Potter fandom about secret keepers.
The Secret Keeper is the witch or wizard designated to hide a secret by means of the Fidelius Charm; the secret is embedded in their very soul. Once a Secret Keeper is selected, the person who told them the secret will find themselves unable to pass the information on again, as the Secret Keeper is the only one capable of revealing the secret, whether orally or written.[1] The Secret Keeper can tell as many people as they like, but they must do so voluntarily and *the secret cannot be blackmailed, bewitched or tortured out of them.*
you could theoretically attack people the Secret Keeper loves for example Voldemort could attack Sirius' friends to the point that he'd spill the beans voluntarily. But ya know still strange
@@lizebrand but that is the problem. It SAYS it can't be tortured out of them, but people under torture will say anything to make it stop. If they decide that giving up the location is a better alternative to their current situation, then wouldn't that mean it was voluntarily giving? They could have kept enduring the torture until they were killed, therefore they willingly gave away the information.
This is my whole problem with the secret keeper idea.
@@Joyfk Well if you torture someone for information you are forcing them to tell. Maybe the spell was created so, that it recognizes when unpleasant situations for the Secret Keeper are made by those who want to know the secret, and then prevents the Secret Keeper from telling it to escape the situation.
That is my thought of course, I didn't create the spell. 😳
Why Harry never helped Ron to buy a wand in the second book? He has lots of golden money.
That's a true nonsense.
Edit: Wow, what a controversial topic. Thank you for all the comments, time and likes.
Because Ron would never have let him. The Weasleys are way too proud for that. Remember Fred and George refused to take Harry's money at the end of GoT, and Ron repeatedly tries to hide how little money he has throughout the books. He would never have taken it.
@@botanybayful GoF, not GoT
@TheSassi42 he meant game of thrones 😂
@@TheSassi14 Duh, thanks for the correction! 😂
@@fabiocicm Rons wand that broke used to belong to his brother Charlie
Dumbledore literally has a herd of domesticated thestrals. Of course he’s going to use them
Why do they have Christmas and Easter holidays like muggles, but literally no other religious services?
Probably because of children with muggle parent(s) who might be religious, so over time they probably took it over or something.
They have hints of relogious beliefs, if not they wouldn't place Bible passages in Kendra Dumbledore and Lily and James Potter's graves.
I live in a country where 90 % of people are atheists, but everybody celebrates Christmas and Easter, in a non-religious way (gift-giving, egg hunts). Because everybody loves holidays, so I gues wizards do too. :) Also, kids from magical families go to muggle schools first before they start at Hogwarts.
Honestly this is one I've settled on just being that it wasn't mentioned in the story because it wasn't important to harry and wasn't important to the story. Hogwarts has many empty rooms, I'm sure more than a few have probably been taken over for religious services.
Wizards celebrated the pagan festivals those holidays are based on and then over time evolved into the type of Christmas we see in the books. Probably
Maybe the pipes are bigger on the inside. Like the tent in GoF, or Hermiones bag in DH
Nice one. It's magic we can explain this one away easily
okay but why tf would they be so huge
+Andres Sanchez Because Salazar Slytherin put the Basilisk in the Chamber of Secrets, and therefore probably wanted a way for it to move around in the school. What I don't get is how it was able to get out of the pipes to petrify the students.
@@malinmadsen8527 yes! I completely agree. I'm reading a really good fan fiction of the second book (its called serpintine subterfuge) and there the walls have giant holes in them after every attack
@@malinmadsen8527thanks that makes sense
One of my favorite UA-cam tropes is "OH CRAP, I FORGOT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING BUT DIDN'T REALIZE IT UNTIL EDITING!!!" but usually that's resolved in voiceover or with text on the screen out of laziness. I like that you went through the trouble of shooting more footage.
you could add the same argument to the horcruxes at the end, they could have been anything but he had to make them matter and all the ways they were protected and hidden.
It's funny that she says that it doesn't count when jk Rowling goes back and fixes plot holes on Potter more, but the uploader can go back and fix things with editing ;)
@@aisakataiga5200 fair enough ... although the revising process for a novel takes months and involves other professional editors.
if there had to be a third party secret keeper, who in their right mind wouldn't choose Dumbledore ?!!!
I think there was something in the books, that Dumbeldore proposed that they take Sirius, so mabey thats why they didnt ask, but im not even entirely sure that it wasnt just a dream i had as a kid :D
dumbledore offered to be secret keeper himself, but they went with Sirius. Also sirius wanted to lead voldemort and his cronies away from the potters thats why he asked them to change secret keepers with pettigrew because he knew no one in their right mind would think pettigrew would be given the secret.
Making Peter a secret keeper is still illogical. Suppose, if he was not on the voldemort side then also he was a friend of James and could be simultaneously targeted with serious, remus.
Number one: After 7 years of magical education harry knows less than 10 spells
But he could write a book on 1001 Uses for Expeliarmus (That are better solved by other dedicted spells)
Just in the movies he uses more than 30 spells, even more in books
1. Expelliarmus (used it LOTS of times)
2. Expecto Patronum (used it on Boggarts and actual Dementors)
3. Reducto (He taught this to the DA)
4. Point Me (He used this on the 3rd Triwizard Task in the Maze)
5. Stupefy (I can't specify a specific but sure he used this)
6. Riddikulus (Used in the Maze)
7. Rictusempra (Duel with Malfoy)
8. Wingardium Leviosa (Prolly the first spell he ever learned)
9. Impedimenta (Used on the Skrewt in the Maze)
10. Accio (Used on his Firebolt in the 1st Triwizard Task fighting the Hungarian Horntail and to try and summon the Horcrux while with Dumbledore)
11. Engorgio (Used it on a spider)
12. Reducio (Used it again on the spider)
13. Diffindo (Used to cut Cedric's bag and replace the cover of the Half Blood Prince's book with the new copy)
14. Confringo (Don't recall him using this but taught it to the DA)
15. Tergeo (Used it to remove dust in Bathilda's house)
16. Lumos (Used it a lot as well)
17. Nox (Of course he used it everytime he used Lumos too)
18. Protego (Used it during their DADA class with Snape)
19. Petrificus Totalus (Taught to the DA)
20. Alohomora (Used it on the Snitch Dumbledore gave him)
21. Episkey (I think he used it on Katie when her nose bled)
22. Reparo (Used it on his wand)
23. Rennervate (Used it on Dumbledore when he was unconscious while in the cave)
24. Aguamenti (Used it when he wanted to fill the goblet with water for Dumbledore)
25. Immobulus ( I THINK he used this but don't recall when)
26. Furnunculus (Used it when he was fighting with Draco)
Then Snape's Spells...
27. Langlock (I think he used it on Filch or Peeves)
28.Levicorpus (Used it on Ron and tried to use it on Snape)
29. Liberacorpus (Used it on Ron to reverse the Levicorpus spell)
30. Muffliato (Used it on Madam Pomfrey and lots of other people)
31. Rictusempra (Used it on Draco and tried to used it on Snape)
32. That charm he used on Goyle (probably) that makes you grow your toenails very long
33. Confundo (used it on the Probity Probes at Gringotts)
And of course the Unforgivable Curses...
34. Crucio (Used it on Amycus Carrow after he spat on McGonagall's face, and also tried to use it on Bellatrix)
35. Imperio (Used it on Travers and Bogrod so they can go to the Lestranges' vault)
36. Avada Kedavra (He knew this one but NEVER used it)
I know he knew more but I'm ending it there.
@@ma.sofiararoque2762 Harry did use confringo on the death eaters in the dearthly hallows movie. It was awesome.
@@timtam3730 yeah, I've seen that. I was actually thinking of putting it, but this list I made was focused only on the spells he used in the books. Maybe he did use it in the books and I just couldn't remember. I'm sure though, that he didn't use Confringo on the Death Eaters in the books
P. S. I might've used too much "in the books" in making this reply. lmao.
I mean, Dumbledore can speak a lot of languages, including Mermish. I'm sure he just sat down and learned Parseltoung. If Ron could do it from hearing Harry talk in his sleep, I don't see why not.
Ron did not do it from harry talking on his sleep (that is movie filling) . Ron "made a sound" trying to imitate what harry says to the locket in parseltongue "open" It took him several tries and ron didn't understood what it meant.
@@davidramirez4570 who told you
@@jonathandickerson4696 its in the books. Deathly hallows. Ron explains how he and hermione got the basilisk fangs from the CoS to Harry on their way to the Room of Requirement
@@davidramirez4570 If he was able to imitate it, then it's sound he can hear. If he can hear it, he can learn to understand it. As long as he get's a translation from somewhere.
No, Dumbledore cannot speak parseltongue Only descendants of Slytherin (and Harry) can speak it. If he did know, why didn't he just enter the Chamber of Secrets and kill the basilisk, saving all the horror that it would unleash in the future? You seriously telling me he did not know where the entrance was, when he knew Myrtle died there and Harry worked it out as a 12 year old! 🙄
The pipes isn't a plot hole to me, just maybe a bit ridiculous. But in the Chamber of Secrets, when they are driving to Kings Cross Station, Arthur Weasley enchants the car to fit his entire family and all of their luggage, and the car still is the same size from an outside view. It's not that wild to imagine that Salazar Slytherin may have done something similar to the pipes in the school. Even if there are giant pipes in the walls, this doesn't actually change the plot of the story, so it's not a plot hole to me.
I agree with the pipe thing being a little ridiculous. But larger pipes means less water pressure. So, theoretically, if the pipes were magically enlarged to that size, the water pressure would be noticeably weaker.
@@fourxpro2036 Still, you can fix the water pressure with a spell. I mean, it's a world of magic, everything is possible.
@@astrid2885 Yeah, but using magic as such mc'guffin device is annoying. Also, how in seven hells did that beast exist those pipes? It's not like it'd fit through a toilet...
Molochors Well, that’s also part of the spell, same thing for Hermiones tent in Book seven, or especially Newt’s suitcase in Fantastic Beasts.
Still doesn't change the fact that plumbing was invented (and applied to the school) centuries after Salazar built the Chamber. This means that whoever built the plumbing in Hogwarts was a Slytherin who supported the pureblood cause of Salazar.
He was like "I'm building these pipes and enchanting them so you, Basilisk, can travel around the school and kill students when someone opens the Chamber. Here you go buddy"
Book 3: why didn't Fudge, from the ministry, work out that Hermione COULD have used the time turner which had to be approved by the ministry?
Here is one plothole I want your ideas on: In the second Book we learn that there is a cure for Werewolves. how come this is never mentioned for Lupin? Lockhart stole a story (wanderings with werewolves) about an old wizard that used the "hormophous" (spelled wrong I believe) spell to cure a werewolf and spare the town from the "monthly terror". How come this is never mentioned again?
@ICUP Nibba that's a fair point. But if it was just a spell that anyone (talented) needed to learn and do you would think a very accomplished wizard like himself could have learned it and done it
Also, I'm pretty sure that if there was any way of curing werewolves, as expensive as it would be, I'm sure the Marauders would've helped Lupin getting the money in this long time they were such good friends that became illegal Animagi for him. It also makes sense for the ministry to produce these cures and give them away to werewolves who needed them and even make it illegal for werewolves to stay werewolves - people becoming werewolves harm not only themselves and their own lives but also harm other people and creatures who get hurt by them when they transform
I think that cure was newly developed, and only an option soon after contamination. Lupin had been a werewolf for too long.
@@FebbieG Well what is the concern for Bill then
@@blakejensen1470 Bill was bitten by a werewolf in human form, so his transformation is incomplete; he just has a taste for raw meat now, if I remember correctly.
For me, there's actually a bigger plot hole for Philosopher's Stone/Sorcerer's Stone than the Dumbledore, Ministry of Magic section: the door on the 3rd floor that leads into Fluffy's chamber is said by Dumbledore at the beginning of the year to be forbidden, as it is extremely dangerous, yet the lock can be bypassed by a Year 1 student using Alohomora. While Ron does seem surprised at first by this, Hermione states that it's in their Standard Book of Spells, Chapter 7. If this is meant to be such a dangerous area of the school, then why not have it harder to get through the door, especially later, when the Sorcerer's Stone is placed underneath Fluffy's chamber for protection?
That is pretty weird indeed. Maybe the teachers sort of assumed none of the students would go near it? This way it's easier for Hagrid to feed Fluffy, or for any teacher to go in there if they really need to.
Hogwarts is not a muggle school where children are protected like snowflakes. They did a lot of serious and dangerous stuff in their school years.
Well, that's nothing. If you want to protect a stone, why not keep it in a magicaly locked safe and put it in your office? Nah, instead they decide to create an absurd adventure labyrinth filled with challenges and riddles. It's almost as if they were expecting a bunch of young teenagers to go through all of them and so creating a typically juvenile literature-like experience for those students!
I mean the whole Stone-protection plan is pretty weird. I mean all of the obstacles the teachers put up where a bit easy and more like magic minigames. If they were really so determined to protect the stone then why the hell where there a plant that could be defeated with the simplest of spells, flying keys, a chess game and a logic puzzle? The only really good protection was the Mirror of Erised. All the other parts could be overcome by 1. graders - ok they weren’t regular first graders ( Ron Bering great at chess, Hermione Bering smart) but still I think the protections were a bit weak. This especially weird if you think about what the teachers of Hogwarts pull off in the later books… Mcgonnagal guides all the statues of Hogwarts, Snape invents his own spells and is able to fool the darkest wizard of all time, Flitwick puts up all these incredibly difficult spells to protect Hogwarts in the end of book 7 and so on. So why did they decide to make a magical minigame course???
@aunt fanny-If you tell 11 year old kids NOT to do something, that just makes them more eager to do it
In book 5 : Siruis's Mirror! I mean, How Harry forget about a gift that, Siruis says that he could use it for get in touch with him
Yeah that one kind of pisses me off, there were so many times that harry could have talked to Sirius
@@Emelineeeeeee He didn't know what was in the package. The letter that went with it read "If you ever need me use this." He assumed it was like a distress signal and so didn't bother opening it because he vowed that he would never be the reason that Sirius put himself in danger of going back to Azkaban. I do think it was a stupid point and would have worked so much better if it was a delayed birthday present that gets delivered at the beginning of book six to really rub the salt in the wound but it is at least explained, if not very well.
That's not really a plot hole. Harry wasn't thinking straight because he thought Sirius was in grave danger and it never occurred to him to use the gift he never used before until it was too late.
It’s also meant to be dramatic irony, Harry was being a dramatic teenager and the one thing that would have saved the situation is something he ignored because he was being over dramatic and now he’ll never speak to Sirius again.. it’s supposed to be sad
Harry was afraid it would somehow summon Sirius because he know Sirius was getting stir crazy. Hell, Sirius was actually depressed Harry didn't get expelled because he hoped it meant Harry would have to stay with him instead of going to Hogwarts. The last thing Harry wanted was for Sirius to get caught and get in trouble, so he never even looked at it. If he didn't know what it was, he couldn't be tempted to use it.
I think Hermione says she's never performed a memory charm before because she doesn't want to tell Harry and Ron about it and bring back all that sadness she had to go through when removing her from her parents' memories
Full nerd up:
1. You have to remember what Dumbledore's relationship is like with the Minister of Magic in the first book. I believe Hagrid says that Fudge sends letters almost everyday and Dumbledore knows that nothing is imminently pressing or he'd know much sooner from the portraits in his office or his other contacts. In the fifth book, Hagrid also says that Dumbledore chooses to use thestrals as his mode of transportation. As for why he uses it on return, he can hardly leave a magical creature behind in a prejudiced administration's hands.
2. Magic. I know it's a lame answer but I mean, if you're going to use a muggle invention you may as well use magic to avoid muggle problems (clogging). We see impossibly large items fit into small spaces throughout the books.
3. Coercion is not the same as forcing. Forcing would've been Veritaserum or the Imperius curse. As for the part about the plan being flimsy, Sirius never would've betrayed James, they were inseparable as one being almost. I assume it was more that he didn't want the ability to betray James.
4. The incompetence of the Ministry of Magic cannot be understated. Remember, Severus Snape escaped on the vouch of Dumbledore. Similar strings were likely pulled for the rest by other ministry wizards who owed favors.
5. Okay, this one is a bit of a stretch but I believe the Trace tracks magic of underage wizards based on the known location of the individual. Magic done by other wizards of age is not tracked at all so this explains why Tonks didn't ping. Mr. Weasley connected the Dursley's fireplace to the Floo network in Goblet, so they're aware that a muggle household will have magic done in it and know why it's happening. The magic done upon the Riddle family would've pinged the Ministry for use of magic in front of muggles as well, and I don't believe the Ministry is able to distinguish that two sources of magic infractions at that time (this was 50 years prior). Plus, Morfin's record was certainly not in his favor when he had just cursed the same muggle in the past.
6. Dumbledore understands Parseltongue, I imagine he would've set out to accomplish that when he started pursuing Tom. Plus, he is the most accomplished and greatest wizard of all time. Voldemort's hubris that no one could dare touch him or hurt him is a key part of why he loses in the end.
7. I don't think Hermione removed herself from their memories. Hermione wants to see her family again and is only doing this as a protective measure. She likely uses a Confundus charm that can be lifted when she can let them return home. This is still an emotional ordeal because, I mean, she literally removed herself from her parents' lives. The movie makes it a memory charm but I don't believe the book does.
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Dumbledore doesn't understand parseltongue, does he? That's new to me!
Ingrid Haugsand it’s never explicitly stated but it would make sense that he would learn to understand
@@TheInga90 or maybe Dumbledore would have seen and guessed what was said. Moreover, while using the pensive, Dumbledore will be there in front of them seeing their faces and actions and everything around them... Being a wizard who is about a century old, he must understand them.
Or think of it as Dumbledore watching a foreign film without subtitles, but their actions and body language speaks to some extent.
Hey! Dumbledore shows up precisely when he means to.
A wizard is never late, nor is he early!
@@elliemoon88 correct!
wrong franchise ;)
Gandalf is Dumbledore, confirmed
A wizard is never late nor is he early.
It's wonderful to see you Gandalf! *Jumps and hugs* 😭
Never read Harry Potter in my life but a Basilisk kills by looking into someone’s eyes? Does that mean that a basilisks greatest foe is social anxiety?
Hahaha
No its a chicken
Almighty Kue so yeah anxiety
You never read it???? You haven't lived til you read it!
My autistic self is invincible! *Laughs and hides in my blanket*
I think I found a plot hole with something JK Rowling added to the canon (that’s rare I know). She stated that witches and wizard didn’t use toilets for a long time and used to just make poop disappear magically - but why then was the entrance to the chamber of secrets in a bathroom? Ok it was in a sink but I don’t see why the Hogwarts founders would install sinks and pipes all over the castle in the year 1000 (I don’t know the exact date) without having any kind of toilet…
Best to not think about it too hard.
Whoopsie
one thing I never ever could wrap my mind around its when in the fourth book when sirius is talking to Harry about Winky he says "look at how powerful people treat their inferiors and it will tell you a lot about a wizard" (or something like that). And then a year later he dies BECAUSE HE TREATED KREACHER LIKE SHIT (thus by proxy he betrayed Sirius) and those two characters development do not seem to be cohesive with the same character
And also when harry and dudley are chased by the dementors harry drops his wand in the dark and he calls out "LUMOS" in desperation and the wand comes to his hand, which means had anyone pointed this out even (Harry himself) it would have been rather obvious the ministry was RATHER sloppy
I could go on for more
I mean, I can kind of understand Sirius maybe not liking Kreacher, simply because he’s a remnant of a terrible time in Sirius’ life. However, if it were the Sirius from book 4, he probably would have set aside his biases and would try and at least get to know Kreacher… I don’t know, Book 5 Sirius just always rubbed me the wrong way. Sirius was one of my favorite characters after Book 4, and to see the horror show that Rowling put him through in Book 5 is heartbreaking.
For the first plothole I believe that I have the answer to the question of why... though it is no less a plot hole.
Simply that J.K. Rowling hadn't introduced (or thought of) any form of transportation aside from flying on a broom stick yet.
Many things HP are like that.
@@CaelumN0ctis very true... i just haven't thought about it much before this video.
Didn't Dumbledore apparate to the Dursley's home during the prologue of book 1?
@@monnishp it is never explicitly stated how Dumbledore appeared on the corner of Privet Drive. However, it is rather unlikely that it was "apparition" due to his appearing being described as "[appearing] so suddenly and silently you'd have thought he'd just popped out of the ground" emphasis on the silently. Apparition is generally described as producing a large "Crack" sound and even the most skilled and powerful wizards still produce an audible pop. So it is possible that he was supposed to be invisible then suddenly visible.....
Though It could have been some form of teleportation before J.K.Rowling ever thought of Apparition... its never said.
@@stephenrhoades8686 That's true. Reading the chapter definitely makes it seem more like he lifted a disillusionment charm rather than apparating there. Thanks for clearing that up.
To the argument that "it's ok these are plotholes because Rowling changed it later on Twitter or Pottermore", that's a copout. A story should be able to make sense and be contained on its own. It shouldn't need the author to be filling in holes and mistakes years later over the internet.
If it ain't in the book/movie/etc., it don't exist. Talking about series in their original medium.
I think it would be fine to fix the plotholes in future editions of the books, though. What do you think?
@@Ajnaran Fixing plotholes and issues later on down the line is a really dangerous thing to do. Sure it can fill in gaps, but it could also turn into the same situation George Lucas had with the original trilogy. The re-releases of the originals came with all sorts of edits, and while none of them were major changes, the reaction to them was general outrage. Rowling has had a similar issue with her making changes over Twitter, such as making Dumbledore gay or saying a character is Jewish. While I don't see anything inherently wrong with adding diversity, I do think that, were she to release "updated" versions of the books years later, that fill in gaps and likely mention her additions she made over Twitter would only make people angry. An argument can be made that an original work shouldn't be tampered with. That being said, you're question is interesting, because what if that original work is flawed? Personally, I'd rather she wouldn't release updated versions of the books. While I do think Harry Potter has some glaring issues that should have been addressed when they were written, changing it now could only end negatively, even if those changes are positive. I think at this point Harry Potter should be left alone, as the work that it is.
@@jacksonlasley6621 Indeed, old plotholes could have been corrected as each new book was released, by a comment or two from any character but yeah, they should be left alone now.
Also, Rowling has used Twitter and Pottermore to create MORE plotholes, so...
All of these have an obvious solution
Magic
Yeah but magic isn't real, silly
Yeah, this is the issue with Harry Potter.
Magic is what causes some of those plotholes, because they could be fixed with magic
The secret keeper thing does make sense because the idea of torture is to make someone willingly tell so that they avoid consequences.
If you need to get your ballsack crushed to reveal information then you’re not really giving it voluntarily or willingly. I mean that’s the ENTIRE POINT OF TORTURE, to extract information from an unwilling prisoner.
Not a plot hole but it bothers me
The sorting system is so weird, unproductive and even worse damaging why would you stick a bunch of adventurous reckless kids together or ambitious morally ambigious kids together? It only creates a mob mentality and prevents the kids from becoming clear thinkin individuals, if they refuse to adopt the "mob mentality" of their house then they become outcasts in their own house if they accept it then they lose their individuality and become just another stereotypical witch/wizard of their house.
jotun hime I really like this comment 🙂
Well, it actually works the same way in any school. People that are alike usually stick to each other, if you aren't morally ambiguous you'd *usually* stay away from the kind of people that exhibit that trait. And it isn't like the students don't interact with each other, it is book canon that the main characters have friends from other houses like Luna or Cedric and Cho (who were from different houses and involved in a close relationship). So what you are saying does happen and it's called 'peer pressure' but it isn't nearly as dramatic as you chose to put it, since for example Gryffindor's members have defining traits but they could be from another house (Hermione could be Ravenclaw, Harry could be Slytherin and Ron could be Hufflepuff), there is a really cool theory that suggests that to be in Gryffindor you have to [or need the courage to] ask.
@@valedro awww thank you that's really nice 😊
This is a nice comment
Really now I don't know if u guys are being sarcastic or not 😂😂
Once you start critically examining HP it becomes very obvious that JK is a mystery writer, not a fantasy worldbuilder.
I think it’s also fair to remember that this is a children’s/YA series... not exactly on the level of Tolkien or George RR Martin’s world-building, and I don’t think it was ever meant to be :)
My family has been listening to the audio books since late 2005, we love them, but I only began picking up on some of the weird writing choices when I was in middleschool(like 2013). And you know what? I still love them.
Or that maybe that books meant for children cannot endure the anal retentive internet overanalyzer crowd that well
World building is a component of writing but you can tell that even though the series overall was preaty well writen that when J.K Rowling was forced to have to build the framework for a fantasy world that she fell a bit short of effectly doing that.Fantasy world building is a challenge that you are forced to take on when you write a fantasy book and like I said there are many ways in which J.K Rowling fell short of effectively doing that.
Stefanie A don’t use Tolkien and RR Martin in the same sentence unless it’s to say how Tolkien absolutely dominates him in writing.
the secret keeper thing; it makes sense to ask your friends not to pick you as secret keeper for fear of being tortured indefinitely because you can’t give the information even if you’re being tortured
Easy way to avoid voldemort killing james and lilly: First have them hide with sirius or whoever as secret keeper to their location, then have sirius hide with dumbledore or whoever as his secret keeper, then have dumbledore hide with james and lilly as secret keeper. Easy.
Or James Potter or Lily could have been the secret keepers themselves. Then, they wouldn’t have died.
Tass Bungle Bungle that too. Pretty easy to hide oneself with no loose ends
or maybe just hide like a normal person instead of inside your own house relying on magic that the person you are hiding from is a master of manipulating
edit: I mean do the secret keeper stuff as well but then also go be in the woods or something instead of at your listed address
The ultimate plan
For book 2 you overlooked that there are spells that make things bigger in the inside than on the outside: Mr. Weasley‘s car was introduced BEFORE those wide pipes, later Perkins‘s tent and Hermione‘s bag. Thus there’s no plot hole, just an unannounced use of a rule that was established in canon.
Speaking of which, why do Weasley's complain about not having enough space in their house. They could simply enhance the space within. Its not like they dont have the magical ability
While the car was introduced before the pipes, that doesn’t mean that the spell used to make something larger inside than out had already been invented when Hogwarts was built.
@@86upsmaya its highly regulated by the ministry of magic, to preform charms on muggle artefacts and buildings making them to "obviously magical" would brake the statue of secrecy. but the borrow is held together with magic as construction is poorly dune then again mr Arthur Weasley´s has a criminal record after enchanting his car to fly so.
@@martintroberg8661 i dont think enhancing space is highly regulated by ministry and its definitely NOT criminal. Hermione does it on her PURSE, Perkins on his tent. And Burrow does not count as a muggle artefact. U could enhance the space of a room, surely. (The charm is undetectable -as Hermione says)
Classic case of show through subtext not exposition. I approve.
As much as I enjoy the Potterverse, I wouldn't want to live there:
Literally, anyone can do anything and without a witness, there's no crime
Between casual shapeshifting, rewriting memories with a flick of a wrist, et al, the serial crime offenders must be legion. All one would need is a Muggle patsy and anyone over 17 could live a hedonistic lifestyle that would make Caligula blush.
And with the use of polyjuice potion being able to be anyone else too! :D
This cracked me up lmao
yeah what is even the point of tracking minors using magic but not adults, they are the one who should be tracked, how can someone escape azkaban and not have any spell to track then ?
It's actually explained by J.K Rowling that Hermione lied about not having performed Obliviate before. Because she didn't want anyone else to know (at least not before the end of the war) . One to protect her parents. And two, so that the other who would know couldn't tell anyone else about it.
Dumbledore is one of the smartest people in the series. I'm sure that he had no issues learning to understand parseltongue. Ron even learned how to say "open" in it from listening to Harry.
but the ron part is one of the DUMBEST most bullshit ass pull parts of the entire series, so isn't exactly great backup for the ease of learning parseltongue
I always thought Dumbledore is just remembering the sounds of parceltongue, and then Harry, who is a natural parcelmouth is translating directly. But Dumbledore stored the memory (a copy of the memory?) in the pensieve straight away so he wouldn't forget the sounds. And then looked it up afterwards.
About the parseltongue one... I feel like, since this is a memory of someone who does speak it, in their memory they can fully understand it, thus the watchers can as well
Also, Dumbledore interviewed Morfin after he was imprisoned for the murder of the Riddles. Dumbledore surely would've learned Morfin's and Marvolo's side of the conversation then.
Dumbledore can probably learn some Parseltongue (like Ron does). And if we accept that the Pensieve can do numerous things including allowing you to interact with objects in a memory, then it probably can translate things for you as well. I prefer to think of it as Dumbledore knowing some Parseltongue, and Harry understanding it because he can also speak the language.
We don't accept that though. The pensieve sllows you to view memories, nothing more
I just assumed, that Dumbledore understands parsel. Is it written anywhere, that he doesn't?
@@serp0unce I stand corrected, he did understand Parseltongue. My apologies.
I just can't get over the fact that in GOF, even with Barty Crouch Jr. disguised as Mad Eye Moody for 8 months, that Voldemort, or somebody else, didn't think to have something else disguised as a portkey, rather than the Tri-Wizard Tournament trophy. Why not a book? Or a quill? Or literally, anything else, since a portkey can be made to look like anything? Even if want to go with the whole "you can't operate a portkey inside Hogswart grounds" thing, couldn't Crouch have tricked Harry once he was off Hogwarts ground, like if he was in Hogsmeade, or something like that? There just had to be a far easier (and more inconspicuous) way to attempt teleporting him to Little Hangleton that didn't involve making him the fourth competitor in the Tri-Wizard tournament, and then guiding him to win.
garfield27101 the “you can’t operate a portkey on hogwarts grounds” argument is bad as the maze was on the quidditch field and that’s hogwarts grounds so ...
While still not the best solution, I think the reason they made the portkey the Tri-Wizard cup was to try and ensure that just Harry touched it. It is a lot easier to ensure just one person touches something as big and important as the cup then it is something as inconspicuous as a random book or quill. It would be be nearly impossible to ensure it wasn't picked up by any random student before Harry even sees it.
I also think that, convoluted as the plan is haha, they wanted to make Harry's disappearance seem like an accident, so they planned to use the Tournament as a ready excuse to explain his death since so many people have died during the competition in previous years
an interesting thought i have had about portkeys are that there is a specific time that the portkey will leave, like how they have to get to the mangy old boot in time or how in the seven potters part, some miss their portkeys and the random objects appear at the burrow without the people. But the Triwizard cup is different since it waits to be touched and also why was it programed to come back to hogwarts?? like Voldy planned on killing Harry so there would be no need for the Triwizard cup to be enchanted to go to the graveyard and back.
Maybe it was just voldemort specifying it to be all fancy like? Kind of like how he made all of the horcruxes these important and well known items rather than like... a rock. Ya know, same deal? Unless I'm mistaken. Seems right to me.
Here's one for Prizoner of Azkaban:
The Dementors apparently heard Sirius talking in his sleep, saying "He's at Hogwarts." But since Dementors never talk or write, how did they relay this information to the Ministry?
They can speak they prefer not to
Lalos SAW Yeah I remember a scene from the Book that said Fudge had just come back from TALKING to the dementors
Maybe they can Talk, But dont want
I think the size of the pipes could be easily explained by a “Hermione’s bag in book seven” situation. My issue is how does the basilisk just EXIT the walls wherever it wants?? Or were the attacks always by a bathroom and I just forgot about that?
I'm just wondering whether they could've made Harry a secret-keeper. I mean, it would be perfect. He could never give up the information, because he was a baby, and he could never give up the information willingly, because he has no real will at this point. Tragedy could've been easily avoided.
Anne Fernandez but how is a baby supposed to keep a secret if it doesn’t know what it’s about?
Maybe he would have to use actual spells himself? And obviously, he wouldn't have been able to given he couldn't speak and such
@@aberdeen0107 And that is why I was wondering. This is a hypothetical.
I think that becoming a secret keeper is similar to making an unbreakable vow, and you have to know and willingly consent to becoming the secret keeper. Which a baby cannot do, because as you say, he has no real will yet.
I think there should not have been a secret keeper at all because if no one knew the location no one could give it up
"Books are written by people."
Sounds like somebody hasn't read Harry Potter and the Portrait of What Looked Like a Large Pile of Ash.
Yes, HPatPoWLLaLPoA has no plot holes
"Ron was going to be spiders"
- HPatPoWLLaLPoA
@@michaelfort143 "They screamed at how closed the door was"
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Call me Kevin does a good reading of that one!
I think in the last one, you're mixing up movies and books:
Book- Confunds parents and says she's never cast a memory charm, obliviates Death Eaters
Movie- Obliviates both
Then why not use a confunds charm on the death eaters! Even better! Add memories while erasing some. Still a needless line and very confusing. Confunous charm... or whenever it's called.... Sounds farmer complicated in advance than obliterate, anyway.
Dumbledores big plan theory answers a lotta these. Like the first one, dumbledore wants Harry to take on the traps as a test to see what he’s made of etc...
Yeah cuz that's not sociopathic! And totally in dumbledore's character! 😜🤣 I mean they're all of... 11 years old?
Thank you for this insightful video :) However, I have to put my two cents in:
1st book: As a minister, Fudge consulted Dumbledore on a frequent basis. Dumbledore might have been used to those "urgent calls" and wanted to ride a broom for a change. Take Harry for one, who hates traveling by Floo Powder.
2nd book: The basilisk has probably a width of only a couple of feet. Salazar surely constructed those pipes by himself and/or even added a widening charm, as we have read and seen it in many other scenes.
3rd book: I'm all with you on the secret keeping issue!
4th book: Veritaserum works best upon the unsuspecting, the vulnerable and those insufficiently skilled to protect themselves against it. As some wizards can prevent themselves from being affected, and others cannot, it is an unfair and unreliable tool to use at a trial.
5th book: The tracing inconsistency is a real problem. It may also point out the increasing corruption of the ministry. In book 3, Harry blows up his aunt and Fudge clears him from all charges, (to make it up to Harry) as Sirius Black escaped from their own grip "trying to kill Harry". In book 5, Harry enchants a Patronus to PROTECT Dudley and himself from Dementors but has to stand trial in front of the very same person - Fudge himself, who now is in strong denial of Harry's statement, that Voldemort has returned.
6th book: It's been stated that Dumbledore has learned Parseltongue after Harry's second year, to understand all the memories he collected on Tom Riddle.
7th book: There are different memory charms. Hermione used a different charm on her parents that substituted old memories of their daughter etc with new ones. Whereas the obliviate charm which she used on those death eaters, wipes out entire memories for good.
Cansu Oder I simply can’t believe that Snape, who was in at least regular contact for long stretches of time at least twice in his life with Voldemort ( both before and after his rebirth) would not have taken the time to learn parseltongue. He was a spy. Why not have that advantage? I don’t think it could be learned. I think it was something only the descendants of Salazar Slytherin could do.
I'm not sure, but with the trace one... is it not the problem he uses magic, but that he uses magic in front of a muggle? Like, that's what he gets arrested for. In all other times, there was no muggle around (if I remember correctly).
With the trace, I thought if magic was performed and there was an adult witch or wizard nearby it would not be triggered as it would be attributed to them (hence children from magical families getting away with underage magic). In the second book they thought Harry had done magic because he was the nearest wizard and it would not have registered Dobby since he is a house elf
11:56 "I stayed, master."
"Out of fear, Wormtail. Not loyalty."
As far as the pipes, there is charm can make things bigger on the inside than the outside, and presumably a charm to increase water pressure, the pipes could have been enchanted with both by Salazar to facilitate the basilisk.
Plumbing back then though...
In the first one I guess Dumbledore could apparate even from his office because in the half blood prince when he's about to apparate with Harry to the cave to find the locket Harry asks him that how can they apparate from within Hogwarts and he replies that being Dumbledore/headmaster has its advantages.
but that's in the movie, in the book they actually go to hogsmead first before they apparate
Yeah this is a books plot holes video
What really bothers me about the pipes is that at some point the basilisk HAS to GET OUT of them to attack his victims! How the hell did it manage to kill or harm someone in a corridor where there is no apparent pipes????? I mean most of the characters are found in normal corridors which means that the basilisk would have to get out of the pipes somewhere and then just casually slide around until it finds someone, all of that remaining unnoticed????
Something that always bothered me was the fact that no-one objected to harry being part of the triwizard tournament... i mean the kid says he never put his name in there and doesn't want ro take part, he is clearly under age but somehow he HAS to participate???? Like noone can do anything for him? It's just a competition for f... sake!
For the obliviate thing I always assumed that Hermione says that because she doesn't want to talk about it? But i can't remember the specifics so don't quote me....
And for the secret keeper thing I think that torture makes you willingly give up the info, because you want it to stop....
Loved the video ❤
Tom/ Ginny let the basilisk loose from the girl's bathroom, it didn't just go wondering on its own outside of the pipes. For the Triwizard Tournament, putting the name in the fire was like a binding contract- you had to compete.
@@smfrie82 i get that ginny and tom supervised it in a way but it still had to slide around without no one noticing whilst it's huge.... and even though it's specified that putting a name in the goblet of fire is a binding contract i'm still amazed that no one was able to break that contract considering that A : harry was underaged, B: he never willingly put his name in there and C: people DIED during that tournament. It's just not the most logical course of event that happens throughout the books even though it is.necessary for the plot 😊
@@smfrie82 Yeah, but who is making the rules for the tournament? Is there a spell that has some sort of nasty effect if Harry doesn't compete? It's never mentioned what happens if they allowed Harry to step out of the tournament. Not to mention, if Harry didn't willingly put his name in the goblet, then how is he bound to a contract he didn't sign?
@@mgnxcamille6850 All of the attacks happened in or outside of that bathroom. It's ridiculous that no one figured that out or just asked Myrtle - or that Myrtle didn't go to Dumbledore and say, "Hey, there's a girl releasing the monster that killed me - you might want to stop her."
Maybe when 'you put your name in the goblet of fire' and you get chosen by the goblet of fire its some sort of magical contract, sort of like the unbreakable vow, and if you dont participate you die or something.
the thing about being forced into giving up the information is saying methods like the imperious curse, legilimancy, and veritaserum, things that take the info against your will won't work. but if your physically tortured and you talk, your willingly giving it up to stop the torture.
But is it explicitly explained in the books? I don't remember...
+William Soto no it's not, that was just the only explanation I could think of when I read the books
so what's the "cool" aspect of a secret keeper? ...
EXACTLY!!
Even simpler than that.
All Voldemort has to do is torture someone next to Sirius until he gives it up..
One I noticed in my last read through is Ron says Fred turned his teddy bear into a spider when he was little, but Fred would have been a small child at the time, performing magic without a wand and a complicated transfiguration spell to boot.
21:20 Hermione used an unnamed memory modification or fake memory implantation spell, not a memory charm. They’re different, because one changes memories and the other one erases them. “Obliviate”, the memory charm that was used in the movies, is also irreversible btw.
Secret Keeper: the condition as described is to willingly give up the secret in order to break the protection. If you were to be tortured and then gave up the secret to end the torture, then you have willingly given up the information.
Therefore, Sirius expected to be tortured and wasn't sure whether he would hold out under extreme magical torture.
So basically. it's useless
@@readysetmood9473 Well, no. As with any security system irl, you really can't ever have perfect infallible security. The main goal is to make it difficult or time consuming to circumvent the security. Locks on your doors for example are useless against anyone who is deadset on getting into your house or car because they can always smash a window or even pick the lock.
That doesn't mean you just leave your house or car unlocked.
Actually no giving up the secret under torture ISNT voluntary as its literally do wat i want or the pain continues THATS THE DEFINITION OF COERCION
@@mindovermatterbecomingyour1561 that's a matter of opinion. Ultimately you choose to end the pain. I believe the books specifically mention the Imperius curse and Verituserum overwrite your will and therefore cannot be used to undo secret keeping, but torture was left somewhat ambiguous.
@@Drummerx04 jk clarifies on pottermore that the info CANT b tortured out of u & wdym matter of opinion the very point of torture is 2 coerce info out of a person
the veritaserum is an interesting one. at one point Fudge says "[Barty] Crouch may have *believed* Voldemort was back." which basically makes veritaserum about as useful as sodium thiopental.
it doesn't make you state fact, it makes you speak what you consider to be the truth.
which means if you are under the effects of veritaserum and you are aware of it, you can deliberately spout all kinds of barely associated opinion and bias and have it satisfy the potions requirements of you.
"What were you doing last night?"
"I was at home, i made tea, i drank it. at 6 i had dinner. by 9 i was in bed, and i slept."
"Good, you're not the murderer then."
he is the murderer, it just happened between 7 and 8 and didn't lie. it requires careful questioning.
follow up question then- can you use obliviate on yourself? can you have a friend use a fidelius charm to make a fact unspeakable to stop veritaserum?
I just noticed this and it makes me happy, you pronounce Voldemort the way it actually should be! Always since i started learning french it was funny to me how they pronounced it VoldemorT in the movies, because it´s just an amalgamation of french words, turns out the actors didn´t know either how to pronounce it and that´s how we got it. But I never hear anyone do the linguistically correct version!
I think the forcing the secret keeper to reveal is more like mindreading and enchanting them than torture them into submission at which point it would be given up willingly
My favorite is in Book 1 when Hagrid says that Harry’s parents were Head Boy and Head Girl in their day, but in Book 5 you learn that James was never made a prefect, and Mrs. Weasley says being prefect is the first step to being Head Boy/Girl.
as in to say a being a prefect is surefire step to becoming a headboy. also she could be wrong
Ok, i think it's like Xena the warrior princess says: Whenever you find a plothole it means a wizard did it
Don't you mean Lucy Lawless? xD
1. Rowling can just say somebody actually required Dumbledore once he got there, even if for a minor affair, and he still got stuck. Do we know that he actually came back by broom? I don't think so. He may have chosen to go there by broom just because. I mean he must be required by the Ministry quite often, he maybe thought was not that urgent and wanted to ride a broom. And then when he figured something may be happening he used other means. It is reasonable to assume that being a seeked-after wizard to speak with, once he got to the Ministry he got stuck for a few hours because everybody wanted to talk to him or ask him for counsel. And again he was not suspicious anything happened, maybe until he got a meeting with the Minister, which may take a while he could have been out, he realised nobody actually needed him urgently and something was up.
2. In the book I believe the basilisc is not described to be as huge as the movies made it, they talk about 20 feet long skin, assuming is 30 feet long after shedding the skin, in the proportions of a snake it would still be 18 inches diameter max and maybe could squeeze a bit.
3. They can torture you so you give them the information, still counts as 'voluntarily' giving them the info. What they mean is that it can be extracted with veritaserum or magic. But if Peter Pettigrew hadn't been a traitor, it would've been actually a nice move, because it's possible that Sirius if tortured would eventually give it up, instead if they are looking for Sirius but Peter is the keeper the secret is safer even if they catch Sirius, so his reasoning was correct. The reason for not making it James is if he goes out eventually they'll go after him and capture him. Instead, if everything went according to the plan, nobody will suspect Pettigrew so it's even safer than James or Sirius that would be eventually captured.
4. It is explained in the books that there are ways to avoid the effects of veritaserum and so it can't be used in a court of law. They could have modified their memories or taken an antidote, even if put in prision there must be magical ways to hide it. Wizards with strong will can also cheat it, just like a polygraph.
5. Yes when there are adult wizards around the trace is difficult to prove, Harry is not called of except when there are no wizards around which is consistent. In book 4 Arthur comes to the chimney using the powder, not a spell, but again he is around. I have no answer for Tom Riddle he just got away with it. But he was going to willingly commit murder and he is a powerful wizard, he's creating freaking horcruxes which is the most advanced dark magic, surely there are ways to trick the 'trace' and they could be way easier than other things he's already done. But it may be difficult and not worth risking it unless you are deliberately going to commit a crime.
6. There must be a way of translating parsel tongue if you actually have time to carefully examine the thoughts over and over again? I mean Ron opens the chamber of secrets in book 7. Ok snakes may not obey you or you won't understand snakes if you aren't actually parsel tongue but conversations between humans, it is inferred from the books that you can actually memorise words and so probably it can also be descyphered if you have enough time and patience. Probably there are books or scripts on the main words of parsel tongue which allow Dumbledore to get the context. And we know Dumbledore is good at this stuff he even talks to mermaids in book 4.
7. Yeah maybe, that's a small one, as you said it could be different to modify temporarily the memories like with her parents, than to make somebody permanently erase some memory. It is reasonable to think it may be a different charm.
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Love that the castle has massive pipes but the nature of the basilisk's travel was still a mystery to everyone