I brought the same ASHP James also got the P7 error thinking of moving the ASHP into my filter house and cutting a hole in the filter house wall to vent the cold air out recon this may solve the issue 🤞 Keep making the videos mate always enjoy them Tight lines 🐟
Hi James, ive just bought an ASHP for myself and recognised the minus temps would be an issue for some of them, fortunately mine will work down to -10deg so hopefully should see most winters ok.
Without coming across cocky I'm pretty sure i stated this would be the case in the hope some might learn. The controllers are set to fault(cut out) at a set temp, 5c. You could set this lower but you'll still be pissing in the wind as they are then no longer efficient and then over worked. These mini ashp are designed for small pool's/hot tubs from May to September to back up inline heaters. I use mine on my indoor 5k pond so that pond holds 24c consistently from May to September. Currently the mini ashp like yourself is being called for heat but won't come on, so my inline heater is now picking up to maintain 11-12c. One more point to consider, holding 15c on your main pond is achieving nothing at all, either maintain 18c or 12-8c. Cheers
Look at your set up as well on that pond the showers are at air temperature so your cooling the water way faster than the heat pump can heat it. Showers need to be backed right off during the winter months if you intend to leave them running. My set up has enough fluid k1 to enable me to turn my shower completely off during winter if I so choose. This reduces the heating bill massively. Also if the manufacturer says you can get away with say a 12kw heat pump always go bigger 15k or 18k if you can afford it. It’s false economy to be under gunned with these thing, always over spec, so you have total confidence in it and it’s not struggling. I’m on my 3rd heat pump and have been running them on my 7000 gallon pond now for 20 years.
Can you box it in with some insulation round it only allowing air round where needed. Just see also will they go in your sheds. Good look. Welcome back.
I reckon just move your grow ons in the main pond over winter. Save the money from the running costs on the grow on and spend it on heating the main pond. You got plenty pf filtration on there to keep them all ticking over all winter. Onces its warmed up in the spring fire it back up and move them back over
@@JamesTHEKOIwhisperer123it’s only for a few months though mate, I’m sure it will handle it. You’re the koi whisper after all. Nothing you can’t handle 😂
@@JamesTHEKOIwhisperer123 Not with the level of filtration you have! Just think about the stocking levels in Japan and U.K. dealers! With the filter set up you have you could probably double your stock levels without any problems!
Just be careful around multiple ASHP. Permitted development only allows for ONE Air source heat pump to be installed on a property. Any more and you are required to apply for planning permission from the local council. Just a heads up, dont get caught out👍
James,You have got to cover your pond to keep the heat in otherwise your electric bill will be monstrous. The small heat pump and the larger pump will send your electric through the roof. Have a look at your electric meter when they are both running. I have a Thermotech 9kw heating my 13000l pond which is covered in the winter. It’s set at 14’c at the moment. The other benefit I have is that I have PV panels on the roof and batteries and an electric car which means I have electric at 7p a kw between 11.30 and 05.30 when I charge the car and batteries. My electric bill is a third of yours.
Cheers for the video mate, I've not fitted mine yet so think I'll wait till the spring now 👍 Some beauty's coming on in the grow on mind 😍 Looking the absolute Hammer 🔨
Hello James that’s why I was asking you the question when you got that heat pump for your grow on system what’s the minimum temperature that it will effectively work down to.
Make your self a polycarbonate bifold door for the front and a polycarbonate side panel. You may even be able to get a greenhouse company to cut you some side panels made to measure. The polycarbonate green house i built holds the heat very well.
James look into fitting an STC to it. Ur bro in law cud do it. Cost about 10 quid. My dream did the same but the STC means u can lower the temp to anything with 0.5 degrees
That`s bad news with the heat pump , James . I just had a quick look at the UK Koi Supplies website and the description of that model only mentions swimming pools ! If they`re selling them to koi pond owners , knowing that they don`t work below 5 degrees - there`s going to be a lot of peed off people ! I hope the other one works OK . It`ll be given a good work out over the next few days . Looking forward to seeing how it goes - I`m after one , myself !
@@JamesTHEKOIwhisperer123 I know you'll be giving it a fair and honest review. Just a thought - would it be possible to run both ponds off one heat pump , or would you be worried about cross - contamination?
Your small heat pump is not an inverter system it's a fixed speed unit, hence why they are cheap. They are designed to heat a pool or hot tub really which would generally be used in the warmer months. The larger unit you have is full inverter driven and clearly working a treat.
I have just set the same pump up today and got that same code, but after messing around with it, you can adjust the cut off temp and the code goes away and it comes back on.
I just sent back my mini pump- as not fit for purpose. I’ve had every single problem that you had, once the weather got colder. Temps up & down like a yo-yo. Just plumbed in a Ramera i9 about 4 hours ago. Works down to -15 - heats from 5 to 40. Comes with WiFi. Cost £1750. My fish couldn’t take it any more.
To be fair mate. Like you say you haven’t heated it before now. As the saying goes if it isn’t broke don’t fix it. I would just leave how you have had it from the beginning the fish have adapted and you don’t have the worry of the heater packing up over night and temps dropping 👍🏻
Just put the small pond fish into big one for now until temperature rises and enclose the big one with sheeting best of both world yes be cramped but better for you and bill bud big enough for a few months and then think about enclosing pipe work etc on small one when got money best option to be honest end of the day winter is not long time so no need to move fish on bud
No covers, no pipe lagging and two bakki showers loosing u a ton of heat and u wonder y your electric bill is so high🙈. Just saying. Also if u buy cheap u get cheap crap heaters. Just saying
They need a constant flow of fresh air, if you put it inside it will become a fridge then shut off when the inside gets as cold as the outside currently is.
@oliverskinner8962 it's not the waste air that's the problem, the unit removes heat from the fresh air which makes the fresh air colder... so if you have it in a shed then it would need fresh air or it would get colder and colder so best place for it is outside.
As you say , having that heat pump is to stop the temperature of the water from fluctuating, at least in the UK and over the winter months., so anyone wanting that should not buy that specific pump.. It's seems pretty ludicrous to me really and I would hope it advertises this point obviously and not tucked away somewhere in the small print. I would be extremely disappointed if that was my purchase, and I was not fully made aware of this. Maybe you were and it's an annoying mistake on your part, but maybe you should of been made aware at point of purchase also ? I feel for you james, that's all.
@Les-OZZYTHEOSCAR I've checked the website it doesn't say the limits nor does the manual. However it does say they are for swimming pools which you don't tend to use below 5c.
Just catching up mate great vid 👌👌 that trip to Japan looked awesome mate 👏 👏👏 great experience for you, trip of a life time mate 💯 yeah winter is definitely with us now man insulate them pond heaters out side temperatures are low , box them in and just allow for air flow ,down where you live you know it gets brass monkey's man 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🫡👊
It's not designed to work below around 5c, it's a cheap unit designed to heat a pool. The manufacturer also doesn't state this on the website or the manual. Heat pumps to work at freezing need to be inverter driven.
@PaulMcKinlay-b2b possibly but James said it stopped working below freezing on his video which is what they are designed to do once it gets below 5c otherwise just freezes up.
I think building a pond the word budget soon goes well over what we want to spend if you set a budget of £500 it aways cost £1000 ,I think it’s best just to take your time and build it so you are happy with the final product If it takes longer to build down to the budget it’s better to take the time and be happy with what you have build But most of all just enjoy the hobby and do what you can do I say
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P7 is the error code for when the air temp is below 5c rubbish realy
@@markcocking296well we live and we learn was cheap for a reason
Gutted mate as I also bought one
I brought the same ASHP James also got the P7 error thinking of moving the ASHP into my filter house and cutting a hole in the filter house wall to vent the cold air out recon this may solve the issue 🤞
Keep making the videos mate always enjoy them
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@ let me no if that works mate
Hi James, ive just bought an ASHP for myself and recognised the minus temps would be an issue for some of them, fortunately mine will work down to -10deg so hopefully should see most winters ok.
Yes, need to look into this heating stuff.
Great information James👍
Without coming across cocky I'm pretty sure i stated this would be the case in the hope some might learn. The controllers are set to fault(cut out) at a set temp, 5c. You could set this lower but you'll still be pissing in the wind as they are then no longer efficient and then over worked. These mini ashp are designed for small pool's/hot tubs from May to September to back up inline heaters. I use mine on my indoor 5k pond so that pond holds 24c consistently from May to September. Currently the mini ashp like yourself is being called for heat but won't come on, so my inline heater is now picking up to maintain 11-12c. One more point to consider, holding 15c on your main pond is achieving nothing at all, either maintain 18c or 12-8c. Cheers
great video as always James, really intresting about the heat pump as im looking at the same one to heat my koi pond.
Look at your set up as well on that pond the showers are at air temperature so your cooling the water way faster than the heat pump can heat it. Showers need to be backed right off during the winter months if you intend to leave them running. My set up has enough fluid k1 to enable me to turn my shower completely off during winter if I so choose. This reduces the heating bill massively. Also if the manufacturer says you can get away with say a 12kw heat pump always go bigger 15k or 18k if you can afford it. It’s false economy to be under gunned with these thing, always over spec, so you have total confidence in it and it’s not struggling. I’m on my 3rd heat pump and have been running them on my 7000 gallon pond now for 20 years.
Can you box it in with some insulation round it only allowing air round where needed. Just see also will they go in your sheds. Good look. Welcome back.
Done and ponds are looking great look forward to watching videos keep them coming
I reckon just move your grow ons in the main pond over winter. Save the money from the running costs on the grow on and spend it on heating the main pond. You got plenty pf filtration on there to keep them all ticking over all winter. Onces its warmed up in the spring fire it back up and move them back over
Think there would be to many in there if I moved them all over
@@JamesTHEKOIwhisperer123it’s only for a few months though mate, I’m sure it will handle it. You’re the koi whisper after all. Nothing you can’t handle 😂
@@JamesTHEKOIwhisperer123
Not with the level of filtration you have!
Just think about the stocking levels in Japan and U.K. dealers!
With the filter set up you have you could probably double your stock levels without any problems!
Done. Bit disappointing for you with the heat pump not working mate. as others have said I would put the grow ons in the main pond for the winter.
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Just be careful around multiple ASHP. Permitted development only allows for ONE Air source heat pump to be installed on a property. Any more and you are required to apply for planning permission from the local council. Just a heads up, dont get caught out👍
What kind of absolute madness is that? What’s the actual issue with more than one?
@GRPLiningServices dunno, UK regs for you I suppose.
James,You have got to cover your pond to keep the heat in otherwise your electric bill will be monstrous. The small heat pump and the larger pump will send your electric through the roof. Have a look at your electric meter when they are both running. I have a Thermotech 9kw heating my 13000l pond which is covered in the winter. It’s set at 14’c at the moment. The other benefit I have is that I have PV panels on the roof and batteries and an electric car which means I have electric at 7p a kw between 11.30 and 05.30 when I charge the car and batteries. My electric bill is a third of yours.
DONE 👍 absolute nightmare with the ashp hope you get it sorted mate 👍😉
Cheers for the video mate, I've not fitted mine yet so think I'll wait till the spring now 👍 Some beauty's coming on in the grow on mind 😍 Looking the absolute Hammer 🔨
Hello James that’s why I was asking you the question when you got that heat pump for your grow on system what’s the minimum temperature that it will effectively work down to.
Maybe box the heat pump in... cover it in other words... might help.😅
I agree worth a try
Make your self a polycarbonate bifold door for the front and a polycarbonate side panel. You may even be able to get a greenhouse company to cut you some side panels made to measure. The polycarbonate green house i built holds the heat very well.
Understand equipment problems, Hurricane Milton done some equipment problems to me here in Florida.
James look into fitting an STC to it. Ur bro in law cud do it. Cost about 10 quid. My dream did the same but the STC means u can lower the temp to anything with 0.5 degrees
Could fit a heat exchanger in return from the main pool into the grow on
That`s bad news with the heat pump , James . I just had a quick look at the UK Koi Supplies website and the description of that model only mentions swimming pools ! If they`re selling them to koi pond owners , knowing that they don`t work below 5 degrees - there`s going to be a lot of peed off people ! I hope the other one works OK . It`ll be given a good work out over the next few days . Looking forward to seeing how it goes - I`m after one , myself !
time will tell but I will deffo let you no how it goes
@@JamesTHEKOIwhisperer123 I know you'll be giving it a fair and honest review. Just a thought - would it be possible to run both ponds off one heat pump , or would you be worried about cross - contamination?
Those small heat pumps wont work over the winter only useful f9r summer@JamesTHEKOIwhisperer123
Your small heat pump is not an inverter system it's a fixed speed unit, hence why they are cheap. They are designed to heat a pool or hot tub really which would generally be used in the warmer months.
The larger unit you have is full inverter driven and clearly working a treat.
I have just set the same pump up today and got that same code, but after messing around with it, you can adjust the cut off temp and the code goes away and it comes back on.
How do you do this
@cookierblx72892
Hold the bottom left button, scroll up to “p” and select, then lower the temp to lowest setting then it doesn’t cut off.
But then your over working the heater.... its set at 5 for a reason 😅
@ struggling how long do you hold the bottom left button for
Should be advertised that stops at ambient temperature of 5 👍🏻
Yea that would of been nice to no
Spot on! We clearly state the minimum temp with any potential customers. Any decent retailer should do the same thing.
@@LivingJewel 100% agree
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Yea I need to
Time for a real heat pump . That’s crazy you need a heater to keep your heat pump warm while it heats up your pond .
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Had a duratech 10 on my pond for 12 yrs with no problems, maybe add a defrost kit to the drip tray as the heat stops iceing during cold spells.
Done koi look amazing 😊
Your not the only UA-camr that has bought this product and been advertising it for a company that has not mentioned they don’t work in cold weather.
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Could you add a small electric heater to kick in and stabilise if the temp drops to low for the Asha
@@RichardHendy544 yea I could do but that’s just more bills to pay lol 😂
Definitely not cheap to heat!
@@JamesTHEKOIwhisperer123
Not really, because it would only be on when the ASHP is off!
I just sent back my mini pump- as not fit for purpose. I’ve had every single problem that you had, once the weather got colder. Temps up & down like a yo-yo. Just plumbed in a Ramera i9 about 4 hours ago. Works down to -15 - heats from 5 to 40. Comes with WiFi. Cost £1750. My fish couldn’t take it any more.
Does solar work for you guys or not so much because of the rain? Does your parents property have a well?
In all honesty whatever company supplied you with the mini ASHP should have stated the limitations.
@@glenbrunt3692 well I didn’t really ask and I should of tbh worked great in the summer but like they say cheap for a reason lol 😂
move it in to your filter shed
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To be fair mate. Like you say you haven’t heated it before now. As the saying goes if it isn’t broke don’t fix it.
I would just leave how you have had it from the beginning the fish have adapted and you don’t have the worry of the heater packing up over night and temps dropping 👍🏻
Yea that’s a fair comment you could be right
This is the error i said to you on another video a few weeks back i have the same issue got to let the pond just go natural
Just put the small pond fish into big one for now until temperature rises and enclose the big one with sheeting best of both world yes be cramped but better for you and bill bud big enough for a few months and then think about enclosing pipe work etc on small one when got money best option to be honest end of the day winter is not long time so no need to move fish on bud
Put it in the shed mate. Itll be fine then 👍
What’s the dimensions of you main pond?
Can you not put all koi in one pond?
@@stephen8294 bit to many to all go in one pond
UK Koi supplies have really poor customer service and really poor packaging
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Please don’t post any more discount codes for a company that sells stuff knowing it won’t work in UK temperatures.
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Can you not put it in a covered polystyrene box of sorts James?
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If the koi in the main pond have been happy unheated over the years, just heat the grow on pond where you need a heated pond.
Put a hot tub cover over the top
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Don t get reed of no of your fish James cause they are your baby
Sorry for your luck. Do you give your koi treats ?
I do in the summer
@ I would be interested in what all treats you feed. I live in Florida so it never gets that cold here lol
its hard running a UA-cam channel mine is a awn care channel where i do vids on my lawn and my girlfriends lawn i make no money out of UA-cam
No covers, no pipe lagging and two bakki showers loosing u a ton of heat and u wonder y your electric bill is so high🙈. Just saying. Also if u buy cheap u get cheap crap heaters. Just saying
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Can u not just move the heat pump in ur shed
Yea i agree
Don’t think it would work as they are designed for airflow but not 100%
They need a constant flow of fresh air, if you put it inside it will become a fridge then shut off when the inside gets as cold as the outside currently is.
@@richardc1983 what about venting the waste air outside the shed ?
@oliverskinner8962 it's not the waste air that's the problem, the unit removes heat from the fresh air which makes the fresh air colder... so if you have it in a shed then it would need fresh air or it would get colder and colder so best place for it is outside.
£340 a month electric.. are you sure that’s correct
It's not steam.
Steam isn't visible.
It's water vapour.
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As you say , having that heat pump is to stop the temperature of the water from fluctuating, at least in the UK and over the winter months., so anyone wanting that should not buy that specific pump.. It's seems pretty ludicrous to me really and I would hope it advertises this point obviously and not tucked away somewhere in the small print. I would be extremely disappointed if that was my purchase, and I was not fully made aware of this. Maybe you were and it's an annoying mistake on your part, but maybe you should of been made aware at point of purchase also ? I feel for you james, that's all.
@Les-OZZYTHEOSCAR I've checked the website it doesn't say the limits nor does the manual. However it does say they are for swimming pools which you don't tend to use below 5c.
@@richardc1983 ahh, well that makes sense then. Thank you for that info.👍
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Just catching up mate great vid 👌👌 that trip to Japan looked awesome mate 👏 👏👏 great experience for you, trip of a life time mate 💯 yeah winter is definitely with us now man insulate them pond heaters out side temperatures are low , box them in and just allow for air flow ,down where you live you know it gets brass monkey's man 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🫡👊
It does get cold cold 🥶 mate hope you are doing well mate
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Yeah all good mate and you to 👍 just been flat out at work mate all good in the hud brother 🫡👊💪💪💪
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I think UK Koi supplies owe you big time for the business you and your channel bring them. Come on UKS upgrade James’ ASHP for free.
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And everything u buy u can claim for if ur self employed as u need them for ur job witch is u tube
if you build a pond for your parents, why not move some of your big koi to your parents pond?
Last comment u should become a koi breeder
Well think I will leave that to the guys in Japan 🇯🇵 got to no your limits I say
@ mate u could do it and ud smash it just take wat u learn wats most important then just keep it simple
Hi james
My mini heat pump has done the same will not start up constant p7 error code
It's not designed to work below around 5c, it's a cheap unit designed to heat a pool. The manufacturer also doesn't state this on the website or the manual. Heat pumps to work at freezing need to be inverter driven.
@richardc1983 mines stopped working at 8c with error code spoke to uk koi and was told it might be a bad batch
@PaulMcKinlay-b2b possibly but James said it stopped working below freezing on his video which is what they are designed to do once it gets below 5c otherwise just freezes up.
As someone who is building a new pond on a serious budget the costs soon start to add up 💯🧁👍👍👍
I think building a pond the word budget soon goes well over what we want to spend if you set a budget of £500 it aways cost £1000 ,I think it’s best just to take your time and build it so you are happy with the final product
If it takes longer to build down to the budget it’s better to take the time and be happy with what you have build
But most of all just enjoy the hobby and do what you can do I say
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