Its fine when Google has a fee on the google play store but when Apple has a fee on its own app store nooo, the EU is bullshit anyone with half a brain knows how bad technology is used in politicians hands. The government shouldnt be able to tell a capitalist company what to do, it will limit innovation just like communism did in its time.
3rd party app stores are pretty annoying to have to install if you only care about having 1 app thats exclusive to it but individual sideloading is for sure necessary to use anything banned from the app store
I pretty like Steam and GOG an pc and I would hate if Windows would force it's only store. I don't know if something similar will ever happen on mobile os, but I want to make it possible at least. Free competation is great.
I’m concerned about unintended consequences after everything is said and done. I don’t want there to be Microsoft App Store for MS Office, Adobe App Store for photoshop, Google App Store for UA-cam, etc…. Like streaming services are now.
It should be like the way it is done in Android and MacOS, where there is a setting burried several layers deep in the settings app to enable side-loading. Most people don't install apps outside of Google Play because they don't trust third-party sources. My view is if they do, and something goes wrong, that's on them, and not something Google should be concerned about.
Exactly, some Apple evangelicals against this law act like if regular ppl go about their day on the web then a few clicks later they have 8 malware apps installed. This is far from the case on Android, except from having to enable installing from untrusted sources deep in settings, every install gives another warning and looks completely different than a play store install. Apple could make this even more obscure like requiring your full Apple ID to be entered at install.
+1. On android, you are either blissfully unaware of sideloading, or you have flashed a ROM at least once before. Same goes for intel Macs when you could still dual boot Windows
Android doesn't bury it. It lets you directly turn it on the instant you install an apk, xapk or an apks file from the web. Apple users are so out of touch.
@@methamphetamememcmeth3422 I have a Pixel 7a and an iPhone. I am describing my experience on the Pixel, where it was certainly possible to sideload, but definitely not friction-free in the way that installing from the Play store is. I think they have the balance right.
If the App store was anti-competative before, it certainly is now! Honestly I feel that if I own the phone I should be able to install what I want on it. Let me side-load!
Buy and android then because most if not all of us who have an iPhone never wanted that and is the whole reason why we picked apple over the competitors
You picked an iphone because it limits your app sourcing options? You do realize having the option to sideload is not in a single way bad for the consumer and was only a problem for apple's monopoly?@@Duffster115
I think I would be ok with their App store exclusivity if the "Apple tax" was being used to subsidize the price of the Iphone, selling it at cost (like Sony does with Playstation). However, they charge a PREMIUM on the Iphone and then block the ecosystem, it's just anti-consumer all around.
@@JPS13Laptop Exactly, just like the “PlAnNeD oBsOlEsCeNce” when in actuality it’s just no longer feasible to keep running ios in those older devices, the internals are just not capable of running them and on top of that the older models have less storage so they are prone to data capping.
Regarding the "you're not being forced to use an iPhone," I would argue many kids ARE forced to use iPhones since their parents choose to use them, and they want to communicate with FaceTime, FindMy, iMessage, Airdrop, etc. There's also A LOT of social pressure to use iPhones as a teen, so while you're not being "forced," societal pressure is Definitely a factor.
I'm totally pro free market. If you don't like it, you don't buy it. I don't like made up rules just because some company grew enough to get noticed. The best protection for the consumer is free capitalism. The only tricky part is keeping lobbies out of it.
You know I do like the iPhone because when I download an app it works. On my android it’s a crapshoot. I know apple does it for money but they are quite stable
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@@malekabdoh8639 extremely unlikely it would make any difference it's only purely beneficial, scammers aren't gonna use some third party app store to do anything it's not a big enough install base it's all call based and email based scams
@@malekabdoh8639my mom almost got scammed but Apple stopped it from the malicious actor to gain control of the system by popping up warning saying the app could potentially be unsafe. That’s when she called me. This shows that it does work. To let anyone and their grandma have the ability to just sideload is absurd
@@malekabdoh8639 Maybe something like android where you have a toggle that's off by default with an explanation of the dangers? If you then decide to turn it on anyways and install 3rd party apps you are accepting this risk. I don't see why we should limit the ability to install 3rd party apps just because some users don't understand that there are risks involved. Also your mom probably uses Windows or a Mac in which case a decent number of apps are already installed outside of the app store/windows store?
Honestly I would have been fine with Sideloading being done by downloading to the Mac and uploading to the iPhone like the iTunes days. If I ever leave the garden I would do something like the Fair Phone because if I am making a hard break from the Garden I want the Anti-Apple Device. Not android phones that chase iPhone in look and practice.
U.S. Americans focus a lot on freedome for the the 1 pct rich powerfull owners. EU focus on freedome for 99 pct. If you want competition in capitalisme. You have to have progressive taxes, regulations and split to big to fail companies up. Apple hardware and software store is like when a company owns the powergrid, sewercanal or internet cables. These companies also have to let other companies compete on their grid/hardware because competion on all “grid/hardware”(phones/internetcables a.s.o.) gives the best price all over on everything for 99pct of us and that is more freedome/money for 99pct of us instead of focusing on the rich 1pct.
One good thing about this is Apple will still be reviewing apps which means no-one will be able to easily introduce malicious software that at best are annoying and any worst are national security risks.
@@leviandhiro3596 It would be a potential national security threat if it had the form factor as an iPhone and had some of the shady developers pushing malware on the device like they did in the early days of Android.
This is bullshit. According to data published by Apple themselves, they have stopped roughly the same amount of malicious software in their store annualy as Google did in theirs. Be honest, have you ever really read anything about this subject or even listened to someone else other than Apple's PR? To me it sounds like you're regurgitating the same bullshit Apple is feedng you like a good little boy.
a national security risk? bro are you okay? you do realise that the idea isnt that your forced to download software outside the app store its that the option exists? If your really worried about malicious software then sadly the app store already has malicious software. There has been many cases of malware getting onto the app store, no one is safe.
I think the EU laws ere good changes. Apple is not a family run business - they are a trillion dollar company. They can and do abuse their power, so I think governments should step in and help users & developers (many of which are family run businesses) as they can't be trusted to do the right thing out of the goodness of their heart. That being said, I think there needs to be a lot more of a crackdown on data collection & privacy too (GDPR was a good start, but more is needed) and that would certainly affect Google a lot more than Apple.
Finally someone with common sense. You can close your restorant tomorow noone cares. If Google and Apple do the same the western civilisation and economy will collapse. That's hiw much they power have. tens or hundreds thoasands of businesses depend on their services. They can make many of them bankrupt with small policychanges. This is in insane power already and they just grow bigger and bigger every year. The governments should step in. they should have step in way earlier to reduce this dependency and risks.
Apple is acting like a child. In the process they'll make a few extra bucks, but they're also destroying their reputation towards developers and the general population (especially in Europe). I'm seeing more and more people here boycott Apple, or just have a very negative view about it as they did about Facebook a few years ago. It's very hard to repair long term reputation.
No, Apple actually created something that every other tech company has coveted forever. This is why every Android user wants the iPhone to be like Android. I own devices for both platforms. I personally like Apples approach for their platform, high security, no need for antivirus software. Android also has its positives, but I love having an alternative that just works properly and isn’t as open source. It’s like they are trying to kill diversity.
@@netvisionz It's only a illusion of security, by restricting freedom, the same freedom can be achieved on android by not sideloading, but those who want to should be able to on a device they purchased. Also, in what world is being open sources ever a bad thing? Please rationalize that to me, because it takes a type of sheep mentality to believe that.
dont they do that with the xbox and PlayStation and switch or can you add apps from the side. Im curious bc as much as it would be nice to allow apps from other stores each companies have the right to choose. my viewpoint but I do wish we could choose if we wanted to download from outside the store.
@@Yoshi123vettel That's a great question, to which I do not know the answer, why are consoles not held to the same standards in terms of you can only install from one source. Though I suppose the reason is that: A console is designed to do one thing, play video games, and maybe watch movies or tv shows via streaming services, so there's no need to try to get different types of apps onto those platforms.
@@Omeggaomelet I believe the EU will go after Apple bc they are a big company. But they aren’t a monopoly other than the smartwatch industry but it’s not a monopoly bc to use an Apple Watch you kinda need an Apple Watch ⌚️. I disagree with EU getting involved. Bc if Apple started charging 70% App Store fee and developers left so would consumers. I think atleast on the switch you can only download from Nintendo store. 🏬
@@Yoshi123vettelconsole is not apples to apples comparison. Those are sold near cost basically. iPhones are part of a global telecom infrastructure.... arguably the industry should be treated like public utility like land lines. Fact is, iOS and iPad OS are on an island in not allowing sideloading. Mac does it. And I don't understand John Prosser and others who are afraid of even having the ability to sideload as an option. You could turn it off. The default setting would be to restrict it, just like Android. Only a fraction of Android users sideloading but it opens up a world of open source utility that I would not want to go without. Browsers with desktop extensions. Privacy focused browsers. Third party launchers. But Prosser et al could stay in the walked garden of they want. Why do they care if I sideload f Droid? It almost seems like a ideological position against EU and regulations or maybe just blind cultural connection to iPhone. Some of the same people defend their anti repair tactics as well. Which is strange to argue for serialized parts and the like .
That is the funniest part tho. Apple doesn’t have years, but months. The DMA hasn’t been followed nether by the spirit of the law not technically as written. To go from 10% fine to 20% is only 3 rulings within 8 years
Good on Apple, screw the EU, will always get apps from the app store, many years ago I had an Android phone and sideloaded apps, biggest mistake, phone got hacked by a crap app and had to get all new bank cards, worst two months of my life trying to get everything sorted out. Be careful what you wish for people.
i dont care for 3rd party stores that much, and i see the pro-apple argument as apple transitions to selling services that run on their hardware, but i think sideloading is a MUST, they can definetely burry it in settings, and i would have them sandboxed by default as well, they can have stern warnings on the switches if they want I buy iphones for the reliability and longevity, but it would be great to have it be more like my linux desktop (apples software is already extremely efficient and optimized) in the selection of software i could have at my disposal on iOS as an advanced user
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Paying for number of downloads is the most stupid thing ever... Apple will be issued by all developers of the world.. Unity game engine tried to make this criminal action and basically got attacked by everyone because it is completely nonsense..
How many apps do you know that have had a million downloads in the EU alone? It’s actually not a bad option for developers. People just talk out of their asses. Also, Apple is a business and is here to grow. They won’t just bend over to rules if they have options.
@@TailosiveTech but can you name one that has had over 1 million downloads solely in the EU that is not from big companies like Meta? If there’s any any, you can easily count them as I’m sure there aren’t many.
I just don't know why any consumer would be bothered by the option of sideloading. It's optional. Stay in the walked garden. Let others use outside apps ....just like with mac. Has sideloading hurt the Mac experience?
I agree that Apple can’t win IF they keep playing the game with the eu. They could sort of win by choosing to simply leave the eu market, but that’s an even more extreme and way less likely event to occur. It would be funny to watch but sadly we probable won’t get to see that drama ever unfold
8:05 Well, if Microsoft Internet Explorer was the only browser on Windows, would that be a monopoly? Microsoft owns Windows, and they own Internet Explorer, so they should be able to do whatever they want with their products, right? Imaging using Windows and not being able to download Chrome. This argument gets a little weird.
Well. It depends. Because windows is Microsoft and the computer is dell. They should not allowed to enforce only Internet explorer on windows. On the Microsoft surface they should be allowed the set internet explorer as the only browser.
@@sdfjsd The different. macOS has always had open access to apps. If apple were to close that access, after all this time, then you should say something.
At one point there was only one browser. Microsoft was sanctioned by the EU for including Internet Explorer as an integrated browser to one up the competition. I had a problem with EU’s stance then and I have a problem with it now. If you want to use someone’s technology follow their rules or use the alternative. The EU wants companies to create tech for them for free is the real issue. Tech companies then have to spend extra money to develop whatever the Eu governments dream up.
Mate, you have no idea. In most things US is by far better but in consumer rights, services and diplomatic legalities the US isn't even close to EU. What the apple did was a mistake, EU forced US to have separate laws and rights in EU when it comes to consumer rights with close as big techs and many more at the same time.
But they won’t. There isn’t a single operating system that allows sideloading where this has ever happened. Microsoft App Store, google play store, even Samsung phones have a dedicated Samsung App Store. The only difference between those and Apple is that Apple can’t stand it when they can’t milk the indie dev of all their money and force them to go bankrupt for not using the App Store after they rejected their app. This isn’t sideloading either, you still have to go through the apple process so you can be granted permission to be on the apple sponsored sideloading store.
If Apple didn't have the iron fist control over everything on their platform. Would it still be faster or better than Android. Chances are probably not.
I’m in uk and side loading isn’t in our beta update, pro to leaving the E.U I guess, I really don’t thing side loading should be enforced, I can just imagine how many more bugs and problems this will cause, if we have to have it, make it a toggle to turn on buried deep in privacy settings, with several splash screens advising against turning it on
Is Apple acting like a petulant child who was told "no"? Yeah. But I think they kinda have a right to. People who have an iPhone chose to buy an iPhone. It's not like there aren't a thousand different Androids at every price point every year. 70% of phone buyers buy them. I have one myself, after being raised by a father who's been into Apple basically since they've existed - he had the _Apple Newton_ of all things, so of course all the tech I grew up with in the house was Apple. Why should Apple, whose design philosophy is creating a walled garden (with all the good and all the bad that entails), be required to break down those walls? People who buy iPhones want the walled garden. People who don't want a walled garden don't buy iPhones. As for it being anti-competition for app developers - no it isn't? Don't make an iPhone app if you don't want to deal with the App Store regulations. You can make Android-only apps if you want to. Practically nobody's gonna buy your apps unless you put them on the Google Play store which has basically the same rules as the App Store, but that is, quite literally, the price of using someone else's storefront - a lot of the work and advertising is taken out on your end, and you pay a cut of profits for the privilege.
@_Digitalguy Obviously there are outliers who just want the Apple logo but are happier with the design principles of Android. Generally speaking though, if you want the function Apple provides, that function is a walled garden. Everything will either work seamlessly, or work not at all. Apple's philosophy is to not offer options unless they are perfect, which some people like and some people can't stand.
Your argument is IDIOTIC. No smartphone company has the deep pockets necessary to make an iPhone. I cannot buy a smartphone that COMBINES the best of apple and android. Therefore forcing apple to incorporate those features is the best course of action.
I don't get the hype for Sideloading and having multiple App stores. I mean do we really want each wealthy tech company requiring you to install their store in order to avail their services? Do we want each bank requiring you to download their app to use their Touch To Pay feature in stores? Even on computers, gamers hate it when each game company asks them to download their launcher to play the game, they'd rather have it all grouped in steam. It's the same here for an average Joe using iOS.
well you have never used android? almost everything is on the play store, most people dont use the sideloading functionality but its there, and its good that its there.
@@SimonBauer7 I use the Amazon app store on my android device alongside the Play Store. I also sideloaded a virtual machine APK, to run old versions of android.
I think it's a good thing that Apple doesn't allow for 3th party app stores. Some people that don't know how to use phones will fall for spam and hacky app stores so they will become victim of malicious software.
0.50 euro per download is nothing for epic games. People spend more money on Fortnite than you think. As long as 1 in 6 people playing Fortnite spend at least 10 dollars a year (which isn’t that hard for epic to sell) then they are profitable with it
@@simonk5885 Yes so? If you have an Android phone you can download Apps outside of the playstore. Apple has some sort of monopoly on providing apps. On Android you are not forced to download from their own store.
I don´t want to buy an Android. But it still the fact that a company has a monopoly on providing software when they prevent everyone else from doing it (freely) is still true. lol just because I definitely prefer Apple over other competitors doesn´t mean that I have to lie to myself@@TailosiveTech
Yeah then now compare the rich poor gap, and the median level of life of EU and scandinevian countries to those countries where these giants grow. What is more important to you? The growth of the companies that already have unlimited money or your personal wellbeing, education, healthcare, healthy environment to live, proper labor rights etc.
@@ivanhoekum no because it's gonna end up costing us since less app developers are gonna make free applications or increase the cost of subscription for us to use said app and it means less completion on the iPhone which is bad for consumers
@@The_MEMEphis We seem to be doing fine so far. iPhone has been restricted all this time yet the App Store seems healthier than the Google Play Store. This is why so many of these developers seem desperate to break it open instead of just going over there.
@@ivanhoek that is to do more with the fact that people on iPhone tend to spend more money and the biggest example of a developer breaking away from the app store is fortnite and it's because of Apple's stupid policies and there's a lot of applications that you can't get on the Play store because they're on third party stores especially emulators that's a big appeal of Android is being able to emulate video games and that's just something that is not nearly as easily done on Apple devices and what can be done is way more limited
@@The_MEMEphisSo just use Android? I have an Android phone and they're not THAT bad. I like my ROG7u. The thought of trying to use a massive transnational government organization to change this other platform to make it more like Android rather than just use Android seems silly to me
I prefer Apple stand their ground and not let the E.U dictate there business practices. They don’t like it buy Samsung. Trust and believe they will need Apple before Apple will need them. 🍎 stand strong 💪
I will never understand why people want an iPhone to be an android phone. There is an open phone platform. That platform allows you to download anything. It’s the most used operating system on smartphones. It’s Android. Android has everything that the side loading minority of Apple users want. Samsung makes the Android iPhone. Buy that.
I used to be on android and they have great devices but I personally found apple devices work really well together. On the mac I can install apps using an installer any day of the week, why shouldn't I be allowed to do this on my iphone? Like I fully understand if people don't want to install 3rd party apps outside of the app store (and that's entirely valid) but there's literally no damage done by putting a toggle deep in the settings menu allowing people to install IPA files.
The problem is having a compromised phone on the Apple platform. What impact will that have on security? Do those iPhones, that now could have potential malicious apps, now have the ability to compromise other iPhone users information? All anyone needs is a backdoor into a system to compromise security. Unlike your Mac, cellphones don’t have antivirus or anti malware programs. You can’t conflate the two.
totally with u for the monopoly thing, most people in the EU don’t even own an iphone. thing is had apple not done what they’re doing now, most devs would just move away from the ios app store and apple would lose control over the safety of the apps. if people want to “freedom” with their phones then by all means switch over to android. there’s tones of choices out there. i love my iphone for what it is.
The EU could simply follow other countries. Ban all Apple products and software completely. Look at the country of India which banned Chinese products. That should be a win for EU lol
@@k.vn.k android ain’t trash buddy. I own a pixel 7 pro and an iPhone 14. Can tell you that android is the better phone but apple has the better ecosystem. It’s only cause nowadays people have ecosystems and the popularity of text messaging in the west is why apple has such a large market. You’re probably an apple user from what you said
Getting USBC was great but forcing side loading is a bunch of bs. Buy an android if you want other app stores and sht. The EU shouldn’t be able to force this garbage.
This is what happens when you try to force apple to do something that they dont wanna do the way iphone was befofe USBC was better tbh had this law not existed apple would have gone portless which is the way it should go
"The way it should go" lmao what's the point of going portless? You do realize how fckinng inefficient wireless charging is and how much it Heats Up the back of your phone right?????
Nothing about the law is stopping Apple from going portless - they can still do that if they wish. What made lightning better than USB-C? USB-C is far more ubiquitous, even more so now that we're moving away from lightning.
you don't have to sideload, you can keep your "walled garden" if you want to. infact it'll become better because now apple has to innovate in order to keep up with the rest
The funny thing is: Apple could have STILL made it decently hard to Sideload and stuff while still complying, but not like THIS, And now the EU is probably going to get VERY Specific in wich WAY you have to Comply to The DMA , so Apple made it WORSE for themselves for VERY short term Gains.
@@WybremGamingyou’re the reason the world is in the state is in. Sucking on the teet of the government and worshipping them as your god. Literally going against companies that are changing the world and actually benefiting society. Not some bureaucratic, power hungry, money grubbing, corrupt institution that is the EU.
@@WybremGamingnot they don’t the EU needs to be regulated for there bull crap. None of us ever wanted this bill crap, after all that’s why we chose Apple over the competitors!
Here’s the messed up part, prior to the EU push, apple actually reduced the amount of free developer apps you can have from 10 -> 3 and if you try to add more than 3, it says you can only have 3 “active” apps
You can sideload apps on a Mac. They don’t talk about that, but it works. I think Apple should approach this the same way. Ignore it and maybe “the problem” goes away?
I just think you're wrong on the whole "Let Apple decide to allow sideloading or not" when literally EVERY OTHER operating system lets you INCLUDING macOS.
I can imagine Tim cook having an evil villain laugh in the Apple board room when they presented him with the “core technology fee”
Its fine when Google has a fee on the google play store but when Apple has a fee on its own app store nooo, the EU is bullshit anyone with half a brain knows how bad technology is used in politicians hands. The government shouldnt be able to tell a capitalist company what to do, it will limit innovation just like communism did in its time.
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Like a real life Dr. Evil
3rd party app stores are pretty annoying to have to install if you only care about having 1 app thats exclusive to it
but individual sideloading is for sure necessary to use anything banned from the app store
I pretty like Steam and GOG an pc and I would hate if Windows would force it's only store.
I don't know if something similar will ever happen on mobile os, but I want to make it possible at least. Free competation is great.
Im worried that in the future we will need to have 700 different app stores on our phones because each app will be in a different store
they're not defeating the EU
this will only lead to more strict restrictions
I’m concerned about unintended consequences after everything is said and done. I don’t want there to be Microsoft App Store for MS Office, Adobe App Store for photoshop, Google App Store for UA-cam, etc…. Like streaming services are now.
Companies are obsessed with controlling distribution, so that really is inevitable I fear
That is not the case on Android, even though it could be.
There won't be. It's not a thing on Android, everything is on the Google Play Store despite the fact that you can side load.
no need to be, not happening on Android
@@eca3101 that wasn't the case 15 years ago. It's because of Apple fan boys they get away with it.
It should be like the way it is done in Android and MacOS, where there is a setting burried several layers deep in the settings app to enable side-loading.
Most people don't install apps outside of Google Play because they don't trust third-party sources. My view is if they do, and something goes wrong, that's on them, and not something Google should be concerned about.
Exactly, some Apple evangelicals against this law act like if regular ppl go about their day on the web then a few clicks later they have 8 malware apps installed. This is far from the case on Android, except from having to enable installing from untrusted sources deep in settings, every install gives another warning and looks completely different than a play store install. Apple could make this even more obscure like requiring your full Apple ID to be entered at install.
+1. On android, you are either blissfully unaware of sideloading, or you have flashed a ROM at least once before. Same goes for intel Macs when you could still dual boot Windows
Android doesn't bury it. It lets you directly turn it on the instant you install an apk, xapk or an apks file from the web. Apple users are so out of touch.
@@methamphetamememcmeth3422 I have a Pixel 7a and an iPhone. I am describing my experience on the Pixel, where it was certainly possible to sideload, but definitely not friction-free in the way that installing from the Play store is. I think they have the balance right.
@@methamphetamememcmeth3422 In that case, maybe it should be
That GOOOD MOOOORNING killed me lol
If the App store was anti-competative before, it certainly is now! Honestly I feel that if I own the phone I should be able to install what I want on it. Let me side-load!
Why not Try to do this with playstation or xbox
Buy and android then because most if not all of us who have an iPhone never wanted that and is the whole reason why we picked apple over the competitors
You picked an iphone because it limits your app sourcing options?
You do realize having the option to sideload is not in a single way bad for the consumer and was only a problem for apple's monopoly?@@Duffster115
@@yinchen7835you can in fact do both, there have been dedicated apps for it for years.
No we don’t to install crap on our phones
"Good morniiiiiing" always makes me laugh 🤣
I think I would be ok with their App store exclusivity if the "Apple tax" was being used to subsidize the price of the Iphone, selling it at cost (like Sony does with Playstation). However, they charge a PREMIUM on the Iphone and then block the ecosystem, it's just anti-consumer all around.
Well if people brick their phones downloading apps not from the App Store, that’s their problem 😂
You know they'll find some way to blame Apple anyway 😂
@@JPS13Laptop Exactly, just like the “PlAnNeD oBsOlEsCeNce” when in actuality it’s just no longer feasible to keep running ios in those older devices, the internals are just not capable of running them and on top of that the older models have less storage so they are prone to data capping.
Regarding the "you're not being forced to use an iPhone," I would argue many kids ARE forced to use iPhones since their parents choose to use them, and they want to communicate with FaceTime, FindMy, iMessage, Airdrop, etc. There's also A LOT of social pressure to use iPhones as a teen, so while you're not being "forced," societal pressure is Definitely a factor.
Some schools use Apple products as well. So you could be pressured or forced into using them.
I love how we found out about CHONK lightning after you posted this 😂😂😂😂
Im understand both sides of the argument but im leaning towards Apple with this one. Just my opinion.
I Agree with 100% of what you said thanks.
your killing it with these Skits! I love it 🙌
I'm with you, governments shouldn't be telling private companies how to run their business.
I'm totally pro free market. If you don't like it, you don't buy it.
I don't like made up rules just because some company grew enough to get noticed.
The best protection for the consumer is free capitalism. The only tricky part is keeping lobbies out of it.
I totally agree with you.
There is a reason why I confidently put my credit card information in my iPhone but wouldn’t dream of doing that with an Android phone.
Because you're the sort of tool that would pay $700 for a set of wheels?
You know I do like the iPhone because when I download an app it works. On my android it’s a crapshoot. I know apple does it for money but they are quite stable
You are correct. This is the case on modern android phones as well. A lot of inferior apps pass on the Play Store.
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Apple's lawyers are the living embodiement of "malicious compliance"
Yeeeaa…phk epic I just hope that infinity blade will come back to the AppStore
I wonder if Apple will just copy the Mac system or something else
Also my mom almost got scammed and hacked and probably would have if you could have downloaded apps from non app stores so it can’t be too easy
@@malekabdoh8639 extremely unlikely it would make any difference it's only purely beneficial, scammers aren't gonna use some third party app store to do anything it's not a big enough install base it's all call based and email based scams
@@malekabdoh8639my mom almost got scammed but Apple stopped it from the malicious actor to gain control of the system by popping up warning saying the app could potentially be unsafe.
That’s when she called me.
This shows that it does work. To let anyone and their grandma have the ability to just sideload is absurd
@malekabdoh8639 that's her problem not ours
@@malekabdoh8639 Maybe something like android where you have a toggle that's off by default with an explanation of the dangers? If you then decide to turn it on anyways and install 3rd party apps you are accepting this risk. I don't see why we should limit the ability to install 3rd party apps just because some users don't understand that there are risks involved. Also your mom probably uses Windows or a Mac in which case a decent number of apps are already installed outside of the app store/windows store?
Honestly I would have been fine with Sideloading being done by downloading to the Mac and uploading to the iPhone like the iTunes days.
If I ever leave the garden I would do something like the Fair Phone because if I am making a hard break from the Garden I want the Anti-Apple Device. Not android phones that chase iPhone in look and practice.
Downloading apps from anywhere hey wow what could possibly go wrong
U.S. Americans focus a lot on freedome for the the 1 pct rich powerfull owners. EU focus on freedome for 99 pct. If you want competition in capitalisme. You have to have progressive taxes, regulations and split to big to fail companies up.
Apple hardware and software store is like when a company owns the powergrid, sewercanal or internet cables. These companies also have to let other companies compete on their grid/hardware because competion on all “grid/hardware”(phones/internetcables a.s.o.) gives the best price all over on everything for 99pct of us and that is more freedome/money for 99pct of us instead of focusing on the rich 1pct.
Just buy android dude. People are not being forced
You’re not being forced to sideload.
10:55 gave me a jumpscare
I wonder if Apple think they can drag their feet until the EU give up
Okay that was one of the funniest openers I've seen in a long time!! nice... I gotta rewatch that.
One good thing about this is Apple will still be reviewing apps which means no-one will be able to easily introduce malicious software that at best are annoying and any worst are national security risks.
Are you saying macOS is a national security threat
@@leviandhiro3596 It would be a potential national security threat if it had the form factor as an iPhone and had some of the shady developers pushing malware on the device like they did in the early days of Android.
This is bullshit. According to data published by Apple themselves, they have stopped roughly the same amount of malicious software in their store annualy as Google did in theirs. Be honest, have you ever really read anything about this subject or even listened to someone else other than Apple's PR? To me it sounds like you're regurgitating the same bullshit Apple is feedng you like a good little boy.
I mean, if you downloading apps not from the apple store, it’s not their problem
a national security risk? bro are you okay? you do realise that the idea isnt that your forced to download software outside the app store its that the option exists? If your really worried about malicious software then sadly the app store already has malicious software. There has been many cases of malware getting onto the app store, no one is safe.
I think the EU laws ere good changes. Apple is not a family run business - they are a trillion dollar company. They can and do abuse their power, so I think governments should step in and help users & developers (many of which are family run businesses) as they can't be trusted to do the right thing out of the goodness of their heart. That being said, I think there needs to be a lot more of a crackdown on data collection & privacy too (GDPR was a good start, but more is needed) and that would certainly affect Google a lot more than Apple.
Finally someone with common sense. You can close your restorant tomorow noone cares. If Google and Apple do the same the western civilisation and economy will collapse. That's hiw much they power have. tens or hundreds thoasands of businesses depend on their services. They can make many of them bankrupt with small policychanges. This is in insane power already and they just grow bigger and bigger every year. The governments should step in. they should have step in way earlier to reduce this dependency and risks.
Looks like it didn't go well for Apple. EU has slapped them down big time.
Apple is acting like a child. In the process they'll make a few extra bucks, but they're also destroying their reputation towards developers and the general population (especially in Europe). I'm seeing more and more people here boycott Apple, or just have a very negative view about it as they did about Facebook a few years ago. It's very hard to repair long term reputation.
As long as they make great phones, none will care dude
Dont worry, they will hate android as well.
kinda funny how there are apple shills in these comments defending a thing that only hurts them as a consumer...man apples marketing is good.
No, Apple actually created something that every other tech company has coveted forever. This is why every Android user wants the iPhone to be like Android. I own devices for both platforms. I personally like Apples approach for their platform, high security, no need for antivirus software. Android also has its positives, but I love having an alternative that just works properly and isn’t as open source. It’s like they are trying to kill diversity.
@@netvisionz you need to check apple vulns, sorry but u are wrong on the security
@@netvisionzits killing diversity in one way, while creating diversity in another i guess.
@@netvisionz It's only a illusion of security, by restricting freedom, the same freedom can be achieved on android by not sideloading, but those who want to should be able to on a device they purchased. Also, in what world is being open sources ever a bad thing? Please rationalize that to me, because it takes a type of sheep mentality to believe that.
I bet there will be a DMA bis.
Why the heck people need a second App Store in their phone?? I don’t get it
Imagine if Microsoft only allowed you to download apps from the Microsoft store on Windows, is that not a monopoly?
dont they do that with the xbox and PlayStation and switch or can you add apps from the side. Im curious bc as much as it would be nice to allow apps from other stores each companies have the right to choose. my viewpoint but I do wish we could choose if we wanted to download from outside the store.
@@Yoshi123vettel That's a great question, to which I do not know the answer, why are consoles not held to the same standards in terms of you can only install from one source. Though I suppose the reason is that:
A console is designed to do one thing, play video games, and maybe watch movies or tv shows via streaming services, so there's no need to try to get different types of apps onto those platforms.
@@Omeggaomelet I believe the EU will go after Apple bc they are a big company. But they aren’t a monopoly other than the smartwatch industry but it’s not a monopoly bc to use an Apple Watch you kinda need an Apple Watch ⌚️. I disagree with EU getting involved. Bc if Apple started charging 70% App Store fee and developers left so would consumers. I think atleast on the switch you can only download from Nintendo store. 🏬
Yes and they got dinged by EU for same stuff.
@@Yoshi123vettelconsole is not apples to apples comparison. Those are sold near cost basically. iPhones are part of a global telecom infrastructure.... arguably the industry should be treated like public utility like land lines.
Fact is, iOS and iPad OS are on an island in not allowing sideloading. Mac does it.
And I don't understand John Prosser and others who are afraid of even having the ability to sideload as an option. You could turn it off. The default setting would be to restrict it, just like Android.
Only a fraction of Android users sideloading but it opens up a world of open source utility that I would not want to go without.
Browsers with desktop extensions. Privacy focused browsers. Third party launchers.
But Prosser et al could stay in the walked garden of they want. Why do they care if I sideload f Droid?
It almost seems like a ideological position against EU and regulations or maybe just blind cultural connection to iPhone.
Some of the same people defend their anti repair tactics as well. Which is strange to argue for serialized parts and the like .
The ass bending and saying buy android phones, just to protect anti consumer moves. Nice apple fan boy behaviour
Game streaming is already available for the iphone
That is the funniest part tho. Apple doesn’t have years, but months. The DMA hasn’t been followed nether by the spirit of the law not technically as written.
To go from 10% fine to 20% is only 3 rulings within 8 years
Good on Apple, screw the EU, will always get apps from the app store, many years ago I had an Android phone and sideloaded apps, biggest mistake, phone got hacked by a crap app and had to get all new bank cards, worst two months of my life trying to get everything sorted out.
Be careful what you wish for people.
How can you support a company like this?
The Tim’s voice is on pint 💀🤣
i dont care for 3rd party stores that much, and i see the pro-apple argument as apple transitions to selling services that run on their hardware, but i think sideloading is a MUST, they can definetely burry it in settings, and i would have them sandboxed by default as well, they can have stern warnings on the switches if they want
I buy iphones for the reliability and longevity, but it would be great to have it be more like my linux desktop (apples software is already extremely efficient and optimized) in the selection of software i could have at my disposal on iOS as an advanced user
Let me just say …. Wait, I have to accept cookies so give me a sec … the EU has some of the best technical … wait, another cookie request … consultants available vs the technical expertise… … sigh another cookie request … … … so the outcome of …. Dang it another freaking cookie request …. …. …. Never mind.
I’m hyped for your Vision Pro content
Apple just shot themselves in the foot.
Paying for number of downloads is the most stupid thing ever... Apple will be issued by all developers of the world.. Unity game engine tried to make this criminal action and basically got attacked by everyone because it is completely nonsense..
I thought the 3rd party marketplace was for the benefit to the consumers, not the developers?
Thats benefits large developers. Only benefit to consumers is confusion.
android give you the option in setting that allow you to download apps outside the playstore apple can do the same thing
Its like Apple DIY Repair program 😂
I feel like apple might get the Microsoft treatment lol
Free loading isn’t free.
Dang second, is it just me or are these skits are getting better and better?🎉
How many apps do you know that have had a million downloads in the EU alone? It’s actually not a bad option for developers. People just talk out of their asses. Also, Apple is a business and is here to grow. They won’t just bend over to rules if they have options.
There’s over 400 million people in EU. Not that hard to get an app over 1 million
@@TailosiveTech but can you name one that has had over 1 million downloads solely in the EU that is not from big companies like Meta? If there’s any any, you can easily count them as I’m sure there aren’t many.
I just don't know why any consumer would be bothered by the option of sideloading. It's optional. Stay in the walked garden. Let others use outside apps ....just like with mac.
Has sideloading hurt the Mac experience?
@@michaelcorcoran8768I agree with you. I think it's good to have options, as long as it's safe. Safety is my point.
They can just get an android
I agree that Apple can’t win IF they keep playing the game with the eu. They could sort of win by choosing to simply leave the eu market, but that’s an even more extreme and way less likely event to occur. It would be funny to watch but sadly we probable won’t get to see that drama ever unfold
They’d lose way more money
Yeah the re-draft will take another 10 years lol
8:05 Well, if Microsoft Internet Explorer was the only browser on Windows, would that be a monopoly? Microsoft owns Windows, and they own Internet Explorer, so they should be able to do whatever they want with their products, right? Imaging using Windows and not being able to download Chrome. This argument gets a little weird.
Well. It depends. Because windows is Microsoft and the computer is dell. They should not allowed to enforce only Internet explorer on windows. On the Microsoft surface they should be allowed the set internet explorer as the only browser.
@@simonk5885 That's fair, but what about on Mac then? What if Apple made Safari the only browser on macOS? Wouldn't that hurt consumers?
@@sdfjsd The different. macOS has always had open access to apps. If apple were to close that access, after all this time, then you should say something.
At one point there was only one browser. Microsoft was sanctioned by the EU for including Internet Explorer as an integrated browser to one up the competition. I had a problem with EU’s stance then and I have a problem with it now. If you want to use someone’s technology follow their rules or use the alternative. The EU wants companies to create tech for them for free is the real issue. Tech companies then have to spend extra money to develop whatever the Eu governments dream up.
Mate, you have no idea. In most things US is by far better but in consumer rights, services and diplomatic legalities the US isn't even close to EU.
What the apple did was a mistake, EU forced US to have separate laws and rights in EU when it comes to consumer rights with close as big techs and many more at the same time.
Or all the developers can just mass exodus their apps from the App store and destroy the iPhone in the process.
But they won’t. There isn’t a single operating system that allows sideloading where this has ever happened. Microsoft App Store, google play store, even Samsung phones have a dedicated Samsung App Store.
The only difference between those and Apple is that Apple can’t stand it when they can’t milk the indie dev of all their money and force them to go bankrupt for not using the App Store after they rejected their app.
This isn’t sideloading either, you still have to go through the apple process so you can be granted permission to be on the apple sponsored sideloading store.
Missing the point. You can install any app from any place or from any app on Android. It doesn't demand you do it their way or not at all.
If Apple didn't have the iron fist control over everything on their platform. Would it still be faster or better than Android. Chances are probably not.
I like apple but it's kinda evil, although EU is more evil just less smart
I’m in uk and side loading isn’t in our beta update, pro to leaving the E.U I guess, I really don’t thing side loading should be enforced, I can just imagine how many more bugs and problems this will cause, if we have to have it, make it a toggle to turn on buried deep in privacy settings, with several splash screens advising against turning it on
Is Apple acting like a petulant child who was told "no"? Yeah.
But I think they kinda have a right to. People who have an iPhone chose to buy an iPhone. It's not like there aren't a thousand different Androids at every price point every year. 70% of phone buyers buy them. I have one myself, after being raised by a father who's been into Apple basically since they've existed - he had the _Apple Newton_ of all things, so of course all the tech I grew up with in the house was Apple.
Why should Apple, whose design philosophy is creating a walled garden (with all the good and all the bad that entails), be required to break down those walls? People who buy iPhones want the walled garden. People who don't want a walled garden don't buy iPhones. As for it being anti-competition for app developers - no it isn't? Don't make an iPhone app if you don't want to deal with the App Store regulations. You can make Android-only apps if you want to. Practically nobody's gonna buy your apps unless you put them on the Google Play store which has basically the same rules as the App Store, but that is, quite literally, the price of using someone else's storefront - a lot of the work and advertising is taken out on your end, and you pay a cut of profits for the privilege.
nothing will change for Apple fanboys, it's just an option
@_Digitalguy it's an option no one asked for bcs if they did then they wouldn't have bought iPhones it's that simple
@@KARANRUPAREL29 speak for yourself
@_Digitalguy If people wanted it then Iphone wouldn't have been the highest shipper & wouldn't have the highest marketshare in 2023
@_Digitalguy Obviously there are outliers who just want the Apple logo but are happier with the design principles of Android. Generally speaking though, if you want the function Apple provides, that function is a walled garden. Everything will either work seamlessly, or work not at all. Apple's philosophy is to not offer options unless they are perfect, which some people like and some people can't stand.
apple needs to be stop being obnoxious af
I love Appstore. Not much garbage spamware unlike Android.
😂😂😂
Who even uses the port anymore 😂
Only for wired CarPlay which is quite annoying!
Your argument is IDIOTIC. No smartphone company has the deep pockets necessary to make an iPhone. I cannot buy a smartphone that COMBINES the best of apple and android. Therefore forcing apple to incorporate those features is the best course of action.
lol if you think apple loses
I don't get the hype for Sideloading and having multiple App stores. I mean do we really want each wealthy tech company requiring you to install their store in order to avail their services? Do we want each bank requiring you to download their app to use their Touch To Pay feature in stores? Even on computers, gamers hate it when each game company asks them to download their launcher to play the game, they'd rather have it all grouped in steam. It's the same here for an average Joe using iOS.
well you have never used android? almost everything is on the play store, most people dont use the sideloading functionality but its there, and its good that its there.
@@SimonBauer7 I use the Amazon app store on my android device alongside the Play Store. I also sideloaded a virtual machine APK, to run old versions of android.
I think it's a good thing that Apple doesn't allow for 3th party app stores.
Some people that don't know how to use phones will fall for spam and hacky app stores so they will become victim of malicious software.
It really feels like we live in the simulation
WOW 😂😂
0.50 euro per download is nothing for epic games. People spend more money on Fortnite than you think. As long as 1 in 6 people playing Fortnite spend at least 10 dollars a year (which isn’t that hard for epic to sell) then they are profitable with it
How can Apple not be a monopoly on the iPhone? Tell me any different option to download apps
Cause you don’t have to buy an iPhone. There are other phones.
Buy an Android
So you think iOS downloaded apps are a commodity and thus a monopoly? iOS Apps only exists because of apples APIs, Operating systems, and hardware.
@@simonk5885 Yes so? If you have an Android phone you can download Apps outside of the playstore. Apple has some sort of monopoly on providing apps. On Android you are not forced to download from their own store.
I don´t want to buy an Android. But it still the fact that a company has a monopoly on providing software when they prevent everyone else from doing it (freely) is still true. lol just because I definitely prefer Apple over other competitors doesn´t mean that I have to lie to myself@@TailosiveTech
Apple needs to be stopped
The people who are in politics are old and who make these decisions aren’t tech enthusiast and have no idea what they’re doing they just want power
These sort of intrusive regulations are why European companies don’t make it big.
Yeah then now compare the rich poor gap, and the median level of life of EU and scandinevian countries to those countries where these giants grow.
What is more important to you? The growth of the companies that already have unlimited money or your personal wellbeing, education, healthcare, healthy environment to live, proper labor rights etc.
This is still anti consumer.
Yeah if consumer == big developers
@@ivanhoekum no because it's gonna end up costing us since less app developers are gonna make free applications or increase the cost of subscription for us to use said app and it means less completion on the iPhone which is bad for consumers
@@The_MEMEphis We seem to be doing fine so far. iPhone has been restricted all this time yet the App Store seems healthier than the Google Play Store. This is why so many of these developers seem desperate to break it open instead of just going over there.
@@ivanhoek that is to do more with the fact that people on iPhone tend to spend more money and the biggest example of a developer breaking away from the app store is fortnite and it's because of Apple's stupid policies and there's a lot of applications that you can't get on the Play store because they're on third party stores especially emulators that's a big appeal of Android is being able to emulate video games and that's just something that is not nearly as easily done on Apple devices and what can be done is way more limited
@@The_MEMEphisSo just use Android? I have an Android phone and they're not THAT bad. I like my ROG7u. The thought of trying to use a massive transnational government organization to change this other platform to make it more like Android rather than just use Android seems silly to me
I don't agree with the EU.. it's their OS. If that's the case then go after Netflix and all of them as well..
The EU is so wrong on this issue
I prefer Apple stand their ground and not let the E.U dictate there business practices. They don’t like it buy Samsung. Trust and believe they will need Apple before Apple will need them. 🍎 stand strong 💪
I will never understand why people want an iPhone to be an android phone. There is an open phone platform. That platform allows you to download anything. It’s the most used operating system on smartphones. It’s Android. Android has everything that the side loading minority of Apple users want. Samsung makes the Android iPhone. Buy that.
I used to be on android and they have great devices but I personally found apple devices work really well together. On the mac I can install apps using an installer any day of the week, why shouldn't I be allowed to do this on my iphone?
Like I fully understand if people don't want to install 3rd party apps outside of the app store (and that's entirely valid) but there's literally no damage done by putting a toggle deep in the settings menu allowing people to install IPA files.
nothing will change for Apple fanboys, it's just an option
The problem is having a compromised phone on the Apple platform. What impact will that have on security? Do those iPhones, that now could have potential malicious apps, now have the ability to compromise other iPhone users information?
All anyone needs is a backdoor into a system to compromise security. Unlike your Mac, cellphones don’t have antivirus or anti malware programs. You can’t conflate the two.
totally with u for the monopoly thing, most people in the EU don’t even own an iphone.
thing is had apple not done what they’re doing now, most devs would just move away from the ios app store and apple would lose control over the safety of the apps.
if people want to “freedom” with their phones then by all means switch over to android. there’s tones of choices out there. i love my iphone for what it is.
For once, I am early. Now, watching time!
The EU could simply follow other countries. Ban all Apple products and software completely. Look at the country of India which banned Chinese products. That should be a win for EU lol
And win to Apple. I wish Apple just stop selling in Europe, EU is just a dictator. We don’t want another Android.
And they'll piss off a lot of ppl. They're not that dumb
That would generate a shit ton of e waste (but then again iPhones are trash) which is why they got the USB C law in the first place lol.
@@kylecastellino6402 less trashy than Androids of course
@@k.vn.k android ain’t trash buddy. I own a pixel 7 pro and an iPhone 14. Can tell you that android is the better phone but apple has the better ecosystem. It’s only cause nowadays people have ecosystems and the popularity of text messaging in the west is why apple has such a large market. You’re probably an apple user from what you said
Ok… the EU can eff off. =)
Getting USBC was great but forcing side loading is a bunch of bs. Buy an android if you want other app stores and sht. The EU shouldn’t be able to force this garbage.
This is what happens when you try to force apple to do something that they dont wanna do the way iphone was befofe USBC was better tbh had this law not existed apple would have gone portless which is the way it should go
"The way it should go" lmao what's the point of going portless? You do realize how fckinng inefficient wireless charging is and how much it Heats Up the back of your phone right?????
Nothing about the law is stopping Apple from going portless - they can still do that if they wish. What made lightning better than USB-C? USB-C is far more ubiquitous, even more so now that we're moving away from lightning.
I don't want sideloading keep that on open source buggy android eww I like the cleanliness of apple .....
you don't have to sideload, you can keep your "walled garden" if you want to. infact it'll become better because now apple has to innovate in order to keep up with the rest
The funny thing is: Apple could have STILL made it decently hard to Sideload and stuff while still complying, but not like THIS, And now the EU is probably going to get VERY Specific in wich WAY you have to Comply to The DMA , so Apple made it WORSE for themselves for VERY short term Gains.
exactly, and good tbh, Apple needs to be regulated.
@@WybremGamingyou’re the reason the world is in the state is in. Sucking on the teet of the government and worshipping them as your god. Literally going against companies that are changing the world and actually benefiting society. Not some bureaucratic, power hungry, money grubbing, corrupt institution that is the EU.
@@AnonN-sr6uuwait by killing sideloading apple is benefiting society? cmon dude are you really THAT stupid?
@@WybremGamingnot they don’t the EU needs to be regulated for there bull crap. None of us ever wanted this bill crap, after all that’s why we chose Apple over the competitors!
Here’s the messed up part, prior to the EU push, apple actually reduced the amount of free developer apps you can have from 10 -> 3 and if you try to add more than 3, it says you can only have 3 “active” apps
Apple lawyers are some of the finest.
Or the worst depending
lol
Finest BS creators
Apple is giving the great mouse lawyers over at Disney a run for their money
Because they have the money to pay for them.
Not even the EU can stop the, "Good morning!"
You can sideload apps on a Mac. They don’t talk about that, but it works.
I think Apple should approach this the same way. Ignore it and maybe “the problem” goes away?
GOOD MOURRRRRRRNNINGGGG!
I can’t wait for him to add in camera shakes and wind blowing his hair back for it lmao
@@blackmanrunfree i'm waiting for Drew to take his act on the road
The App Store is a monopoly since you can’t buy iOS software outside of apple’s app just like you can on macos, windows, linux, android.
Everyday I pray for Apple's downfall.
Good luck with that. 😂
What a purpose to have in life eh? Good for you.
keep praying
You must have a lot of time to waste.
there are few things that make me as happy as drew’s impression of tim’s “GOOD MORNING!!!! 🙏🏻”
I just think you're wrong on the whole "Let Apple decide to allow sideloading or not" when literally EVERY OTHER operating system lets you INCLUDING macOS.
@bobladif7249 yeah why not? Just because you can't use it doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to