I mean, he's not wrong. He just seemed to have forgotten what they do with the mass intelligence they need: taking it apart and sticking it in cybersuits. A slight oversight.
The old Cybermen left a lot for the imagination, which is what made them so perfect. You knew that inside the suit was a mutilated human body with metal and wires sticking out everywhere. They were pretty much a bunch of walking corpses with a computer brain keeping them alive. To make it even more creepy, the writers gave them various flaws, such as not being able to move their limbs correctly or control their vocal cords. They were utterly terrifying back then, and can still send a shiver down my spine.
Agreed. The one thing the modern cybermen do better, in my opinion,is sell the robotic part better, with stiffer costumes and more synchronized robotic movements, which the old ones are lacking.
@@ethribin4188 I dunno. The new designs are cool but there's something about the old ones having part machine parts, and part spacesuit... who knows what they are under there? Looks even creepier to me.
Their chest thingy in particular reminds me of a respirator. Like, the kind Darth Vader had. I imagine Cybermen are constantly struggling to breathe, hence their fragmented and rather slow speech. Being a Cyberman looks and sounds like it _hurts,_ which is a horrifying thought. They're willing to butcher themselves for the sake of survival.
Troughton and Hines were both relatively short men. 5'7" and 5'6" respectively according to the Internet. They hired actors to play the cybermen (yeti. ice warriors etc) who were well over 6 foot. Didn't work in later years because Pertwee was 6'2" and Tom Baker 6'4".
Michael Kilgariff who played the cyber controller was 6”4 (inch taller than me) and the boots he wore added a few inches on...that and the ridiculous phallic like head piece
I don't know if it was around just yet but they may have been using steady-cam shots, it could also have been low angle shots with the camera lower than it would usually be and angled slightly upwards.
The post-laryngectomy voice, the smooth deliberate movement, the blank mask with the only features placed in precise proportions of the eye sockets and teeth of a human skull. The Cybermen never got more frightening than this.
I think you're absolutely right. The voices, and faces, of the original cybermen are truly terrifying. even when I tried to make it funny to myself by saying "BLIIIII-MEY GOVNA, DOOOOO YOU WANT TO, POP ROUND TO THE PUB FORRRRRR, FISH AND CHIPS? IT IIIIIIS, TWELVE O CLOCK ANNNNNND I'M ON, LUNCH BREAK." it was still pretty scary. Mondasian cybermen were to me always the best and the most frightening of the cybermen.
Still the best cyberman story. I love that they are exploring the tombs of the Cybermen as if they were an extinct civilisation. It gives the story a great fictional history.
@@thunderspark1536Meh. Most overated monster for me. A collection of (inconsistent) gimmicks that rely on cheap jumpscares. Only ever good for one story.
For some reason the older versions of Dr Who and his foes scare me more then the modern version, I think its the fact that the effects and costumes are so, strange. They resemble obvious fake-ness which makes it even more creepy for some reason.
Josh23761 I always thought that for the Cybermen in the 60s since it was on a shoe string budget the lack of convincing props had the Cybermen look more human in nature (obviously adding to the idea of humans that are human no more) therefore giving a greater inflection into the emotionless soul that once inhabited their corporeal shell (one such example is the dead drone in their voice.)
Josh23761 also because many of the modern Dr who foes are cgi and the classic ones However dated they may be were actually there in front of you gave the impression the doctor was in real danger.
Josh23761 yea you can tell there are people acting in the suit but that adds to the fact that they were once human is this there purely logical without emotion in new who there evil which the no emotion thing is better than were evil because we were turned into robots
In addition to agreeing with the other comments, I think that having being shot in B&W video/film gives it a certain escapist look that is timeless, it's minimalist, not over-engineered, thus it relies a lot on the sound/audio design/music, acting, and the actors, rather just using special effects alone. Also it's a slower pace (Multi-Camera TV) which allows you time to take it in, not like today with fast cuts.
+Antonio De Medeiros As a man who grew up with the new series I have to agree. Certainly regarding the the Cybus voices but the latest sounds like a mix of the 80s and Tomb voices.
Bradley Cagle so true. I think it's because you can see and hear just how human they once were. really hope the new series doesn't mess up the mondasion cybermen.
I somehow love how the guys in the Cybermen suits salute differently to the leader. Like that guy on the front was about to lift his hand early at 00:43 and the guy on the right does it so halfheartedly.
I remember my Uncle showing me this episode when I was about 5. I was never afraid of any of the monsters in Doctor Who....but that voice sent a cold chill down my spine.
+TranscendentLion I'm not sure who came up with this theory but one of the writers for the show (I think it might have been the writer of nightmare in silver) came up with an idea that the Mondas Cybermen and the Parallel earth cybermen met and combined technology,I always thought it would be cool to see a Cyberman civil war that explains that concept.
"Upgrade In Progress" -Ironmen Cybermen "You are not required" -Mondasian Cybermen *Insert Mondasian weapon beam noise as the Ironmen Cybermen scream in pain before exploding*
@@uhejnjd we did, we got cybusmen, the Mondasian, the Cyberiad which I assume came from Telos originally, the cyber beasts, Missy's Gravebursting Cybermen. We also go the square headed Cybermen in the Chibnall era.
YOU SHALL BE, LIKE US. One of the most terrifying lines in Dr. Who. When a classic who villain says that to you, you know you've messed up, real, REAL bad.
I'd seriously like to see this voice come back for the Cybermen; yes, it's just a regular old artificial larynx, but it sure as hell fits the Cybermen better than any other voice.
I'm a bit mixed about that, in the 70s/80s they REALLY went back to the human side especially with the pissed off stormtrooper/stig design in the 80s. They had developed an incredibly huge anger management issue and their phobia of gold in silver nemesis was pitiful, getting so het up over a poop sized amount
I have to confess that I first got into Dr. Who through the Eccleston series. Then I started watching classic Who, particularly Troughton (who has been my favourite ever since) and since that I just haven't been able to enjoy the new Who, especially ones based on pre-existing monsters, to the same extent. You do get the odd gem like The Empty Child and the Weeping Angels but the Daleks and Cybermen were just so much creepier and more menacing back in the day.
IMO they're not that silly - They're showing that there's a human inside on purpose. blogs.houstonpress.com/artattack/2014/02/doctor_who_first_cybermen.php
+Omar Ahmed The idea of there being an actual human inside is much scarier in my opinion. It just adds to that whole uncanny valley thing the Cyberman had going on back then, they looked human, but yet not quite. It was bizarre, creepy. It made it that bit more "real" in a sense. Having just a brain inside an Iron Man-ripoff suit (2013 redesign) or a steampunk-ish suit of knight's armour (2006 redesign) is much less scary in my opinion, whereas I think that creepy is exactly what the Cybermen should be. That being said about the 2006 redesign, I liked Rise of the Cybermen and Age of Steel, they did a good job of making the Cybermen at least a bit creepy, especially with the scenes inside the factory.
I really agree that the voices were cool (that last line sent shivers down my spine!) But I only half agree with the suits being silly, I get what you mean in that they are a bit ridiculous but then again I also agree with all the others that it feels more scary when it actually looks like a human is trapped inside of there.
Because you can't create a truelly creepy atmosphere with computer generated effects, no matter how hard you try. Trick lighting and minimalist props will always come out on top
I think this may be my favorite version of the Cybermen. The truly cold and devoid of emotion voice of the Cyber Controller is powerful enough as it is, but also, and while I think this was probably an unintended side effect of just the special effects of the time, the fact that behind it you can hear a sharp whisper that reminds you that there is in fact a living being beneath that unfeeling shell makes it really creepy to hear them speak. Add onto it that this story is reminiscent of stories about mummies, has an amazingly unsettling soundtrack, and maybe it's just me but it gives me serious Forbidden Planet vibes, all come together to make Cybermen that are actually genuinely scary. Which makes me all the more upset that this was almost immediately dropped in favor of the Cybermen we had for the rest of the classic era which were just. Dudes in plastic heads doing their best to make their voices sound deep all while having the menace of a bad guy from a straight to video educational movie. Like, Earthshock is good, but I can't get past how uninteresting the Cybermen themselves are in it. Such a shame.
Fun fact: whe the Telosian CyberTomb was reopened later on by a team of CyberNomads, the CyberController was reconstrcted in a new body, becoming the CyberNeomorph Controller, and later appeared in "Attack of the Cybermen".
Eh, they were on the budget of a ham sandwich back then, so I don't blame them. But I would like to know why the Controller had an oversized egg on his head and what I can only hope is mayonnaise on his mouth.
I saw an interview with Michael Kilgarriff and he said that it had a battery inside for opening his mouth. I guess the plot was meant to be that it was his brain or something.
These were always my favourite incarnation of the cybermen, because they were so tall and moved in these unnerving slow undulations, and their voices were awesome!
The Patrick Troughton era was known as the Monster era.........i mean each week, it was either Daleks, Cybermen, Yeti, Ice Warriors etc. As a kid then.........i bloody loved it! :)
I got back into old who recently and you've gotten half of it right, when the scripts are good they're really good, great dialogue, fantastically unique ideas and a lot of the time their fantastically acted, then you have the charm of the low budgets and the clear signs of the times in which they were made, a good example is the incredibly 80s esque yet clever and funny Earthshock. All this to say, old who is truly brilliant.
god it was this episode! This one, this was my very first exposure to Dr Who. I was a kid camping out in an rv with my grandparents, they still had a tv antenna signal, and this was showing one night. I was like 10!
+Amber Condell thanks for your comments Kinda guessed you were Australian when you mention the ABC.censoring bits. Yes I was fortunately to see these early episodes produced on one pound budgets. Despite that they were imaginative stories with thought provoking adult themes which were way ahead of their time and even today leave many multi million science fiction shows in the dust for story complexity and human engagement. One example of this is the cyber men created by Dr Kit Pedlar and Jerry Davies long before Star Trek's Borg appeared they were pushing the mantra of "our way is the only way so we will forcibly convert you" seem familiar? Dr Kit pedlar was involved in cybernetics research in the sixties(I think) and wondered when people started replacing body parts with machine facsimiles would they still be human and how would it change their view of everything, . Its something we may have to confront if the age of trans humanism comes to pass.. Enough gas bagging from me hope that helps a little Cheers
They play with themes and story lines that touch on morality,the use and abuse of power,and the life and death struggles in a Universe that could be cold and frightening in one corner and warm and inviting in another..
I like these Cyber men better than the modern take on them. These ones seem more unearthly,cold and machine like. The stuff of nightmares for the human race.
cybermen! They were before the Borg. The Controller looks a bit absurd, but overall and with that artificial voice is very effective..alien! I suspect there is a mutatated human brain within the outer casing...the rest of the body is mechanical pumps and valves and joints moved by air pressure.
The Troughton era excelled at making creepy monsters whether it be the cunning and down right horrifying Daleks, the creepy crawlers of the Macra Terror or the brutal and powerful Yeti but the Cybermen take the cake as just some of the most powerful and ruthless creatures in the program
I was American kid living in England when this aired on the BBC. As a kid I was crazy as a kid About Doctor WhoI and as an adult I appreciate how scary their voices were. When I camback to America in 1968 no one knew Who Doctor I was in grief grief over my favorite show and nobody to talk to about it
As time goes on, I still find it hard to decide whether I prefer the Tenth Planet Cybermen more or the Tomb Cybermen more. Both have such great designs and voices.
The Tenth Planet Cybermen style of talking feel like the writers were trying to break away from the cliche mono-tone robot voices that was popular in other sci-fi at the time. It really was a unique approach.
The Tenth Planet Cybermen are the creepiest monsters on Doctor Who, ever. Flesh hands, yes, but what horrors lurk under that fabric face covering? The way they talk, too - they open that lipless mouth, and words come out, with no movement of the jaws. When they die, they just shrivel up. The conversion process shown on 'The Doctor Falls', takes a long time, with the converted being in pain through all of it. That's proper horror, right there, which makes you think for a long time afterwards.
The production value of Doctor Who is so much higher and on par with most streaming shows and movies today. In many ways none of it compares with what the original crew did in the 60s with so much less. I watched this stuff with my parents as a kid in the 80s syndicated on PBS, in those days I went to bed with the light on, bc of 1960s and 1970s Doctor Who, lol.
Exactly........the new shows have the money, where the old ones didnt.........BUT the old shows with there stories spread out over a few weeks, allowed viewers to become immersed in the stories and characters, and they hooked the viewer into looking forward to the following Saturday's episode, with a cliffhanger ending each week! Now, a whole story is rushed through in a special effects show in under an hour.....and that's it!
This episode was by far one of my favourite Troughton stories next to the Ice warriors, the alien villains back then were far more intimidating and scary.
Yes.....the Cybermen were at there best in the Troughton era (1966-1969), in which there were 4 stories. They may look a bit naff in early versions, but they were so creepy, emotionless creatures, and they had those great electronic voices! Today's Cybermen are not scary at all, they are just clunking robots. The BBC should at least get rid of that clonking noise they make when they walk, and give them a new voice, and make them look less like robots, but creepy cyborgs as before!
For those people who say "The modern ones look like robots" - that's the whole point. They started out humanoid and upgraded over time. It's like saying a modern smartphone doesn't look like one from the 1980's.
But after they became robots they're no longer creepy. The whole point of the '60s Cybermen is that disgusting combination between man and machine, where the organic and cybernetic parts horridly mesh together, making your skin crawl. You know that it was once a living, breathing human being, without you even being told beforehand, and you can feel the last few remants of its personality. After _Revenge of the Cybermen_, they became...robots. Nothing much more than that. They didn't have any impact anymore. They were just really camp robots who sounded like Darth Vader and either died when gold was a meter away from them, or thought they were Windows PCs.
iLikeTheUDK I understand what you are saying but I grew up with Classic Who and as a kid (my mindset) I found the Daleks scary because they didn't look even remotely human whereas I could see the Cybermen as just men in silver suits. At 55 I am way past the point where anything scares me but I find the New Who Cybermen to be a credible enemy and they are still a brain in a metal body which, if I was going to be scared, would scare me. The old Cybermen did have fantastic voices though 8-)
iLikeTheUDK They were excellent in Earthshock and Attack Of The Cybermen, Silver Nemesis is where it started going down hill. But I agree, the new ones suck a dirty donkeys bollocks
I wouldn't have a problem with the modern smartphone idea if it wasn't for the fact that they abandon quite a lot of the core ideas of the Cybermen in favour of making them more like a disposable army than a means of survival. One of the biggest problems with the Cybermen wasn't that they looked more robotic it was that at this point in their evolutionary line there wasn't a connection between the core concept of 'WE MUST SURVIVE' outside of just using nanobots to convert people (which for all intents and purposes just puts them in Agent Smith territory) Hell even Agent Smith makes for a better Cyberman than the Nightmare in Silver varients because at least he's more preoccupied in making everything like him rather than the NIS Cybermen who seem to be at The Master's beck and call.
Oh for crying out-- Look, I'm not normally one to complain about the effects from the 60s serials, and inf act, I think the Cybermen look pretty good here, considering. But did they seriously just scribble the Cyber Controller's face on with a magic marker five minutes before shooting began and then, just to make sure we didn't overlook this bit of technical wizardry, run the credits over a giant closeup of him? I feel like at least one of those things could have been avoided.
Honestly, I really love the way these Cybermen talk. They’re robotic, yet there is something unnerving about it. Like everything that was human about them before, no longer exists
No you're not, I was going to bring it up too til I saw your comment. That's a shoddiness you wouldn't get in today's overly polished tv - a lot of classic who is awesome
The Mondasian Cybermen's shabby and crude design made sense to me because Mondas was a dying planet. They were slapping together cybernetic body parts to keep the human race alive as conditions got worse and worse. The oldest of them may remember the cold, the suffering, the dying (even if they can't feel horror or pain) and so their creed is to make all organic life like them, incapable of suffering. The Cybus Cybermen lack personality and humanity. They may as well be robots 90% of the time they're on screen. It removes the body horror when the human is reduced to a weird "jelly" spread through an Iron Man suit. The scene where The Doctor talked to Sally was one of the few exceptions in Nu-Who
gomro It's pretty unnerving how they just speak in those monotone voices, it makes it kind of hard to believe that they were once human and still have human parts.
The thing thats so chilling about this incarnation of cybermen's voices... is that they speak with REAL-LIFE electrolarynxes, which is to say somebody thats actual voicebox has been replaced DO talk like that
@@sillygoose635 It is as its the most realistic, which makes it more scary. Cos im pretty sure they used an electrolyrinx for people who dont have a voice box. And being the 60s id imagine they were abit more primitive, but created this terriyfying sound. Point is if cybermen were somehow real and some scientist wanted them all to have the same voice, id imagine this is the route theyd go for
If you are talking about the music used in this scene, it is called 'Space Adventure Part 2', library music composed by Martin Slavin, and was first used on 'The Tenth Planet'. Hope this is of assistance.
"You need our mass intelligence", says the guy who thought reanimating Cybermen was a brilliant idea.
Well, Cybermen were considered extinct by said guy and his associates.
game4brains ' I suppose that's fair, but I wouldn't risk it knowing I was in a scifi TV show lol ;) :P
redraven24 Yeah lol
said the guy who also resurrected a species of mass intelligence.
I mean, he's not wrong. He just seemed to have forgotten what they do with the mass intelligence they need: taking it apart and sticking it in cybersuits.
A slight oversight.
"You belong to us. You shall be like us."
Sends a shiver down my spine.
Andrew Chapman Agreed. I want to use it when I start interviews for a new trainee accountant position. With that voice of course...
If you're really quiet you can hear the producers of Star Trek the Next Generation taking down notes for the borg lol
...If only I could understand what they're saying!
same just hearing the controller talk in that robotic voice is creepy to me
Still the best line of the "Cyber Controller!"
The old Cybermen left a lot for the imagination, which is what made them so perfect. You knew that inside the suit was a mutilated human body with metal and wires sticking out everywhere. They were pretty much a bunch of walking corpses with a computer brain keeping them alive. To make it even more creepy, the writers gave them various flaws, such as not being able to move their limbs correctly or control their vocal cords. They were utterly terrifying back then, and can still send a shiver down my spine.
Agreed.
The one thing the modern cybermen do better, in my opinion,is sell the robotic part better, with stiffer costumes and more synchronized robotic movements, which the old ones are lacking.
Yeah this adventure freaked me out as a kid. Utterly terrifying.
@@ethribin4188 I dunno. The new designs are cool but there's something about the old ones having part machine parts, and part spacesuit... who knows what they are under there? Looks even creepier to me.
@@ethribin4188 I feel the cloth faced Tenth Planet designs sell the creepy man/machine factor the best.
Their chest thingy in particular reminds me of a respirator. Like, the kind Darth Vader had. I imagine Cybermen are constantly struggling to breathe, hence their fragmented and rather slow speech. Being a Cyberman looks and sounds like it _hurts,_ which is a horrifying thought. They're willing to butcher themselves for the sake of survival.
"You need our mass intelligence." Kleig said to the Cyberman who clearly showcases a large brain.
1:29 - the Cybermen look truly HUGE in this clip. They've never really managed to capture that same sense of scale since Troughton's era
Troughton and Hines were both relatively short men. 5'7" and 5'6" respectively according to the Internet. They hired actors to play the cybermen (yeti. ice warriors etc) who were well over 6 foot. Didn't work in later years because Pertwee was 6'2" and Tom Baker 6'4".
Michael Kilgariff who played the cyber controller was 6”4 (inch taller than me) and the boots he wore added a few inches on...that and the ridiculous phallic like head piece
Then it's settled, we need them to hire shorter actors and hire taller villain actors!!
@@TheZodiacz Most people are about 5.7 my guy..
I don't know if it was around just yet but they may have been using steady-cam shots, it could also have been low angle shots with the camera lower than it would usually be and angled slightly upwards.
The post-laryngectomy voice, the smooth deliberate movement, the blank mask with the only features placed in precise proportions of the eye sockets and teeth of a human skull. The Cybermen never got more frightening than this.
I think you're absolutely right. The voices, and faces, of the original cybermen are truly terrifying. even when I tried to make it funny to myself by saying "BLIIIII-MEY GOVNA, DOOOOO YOU WANT TO, POP ROUND TO THE PUB FORRRRRR, FISH AND CHIPS? IT IIIIIIS, TWELVE O CLOCK ANNNNNND I'M ON, LUNCH BREAK." it was still pretty scary. Mondasian cybermen were to me always the best and the most frightening of the cybermen.
@@aburninglandfillofbadmovie2930 That was the most Bri'ish sentence I've ever read.
@@thunderspark1536 I read it in the cringe ass strong yorkshire accent
And how the mouth opens like a hatch when he's speaking...
I want this version to be brought back like they did with the Mondasians.
They interrupted their Cyberleader while he was trying to use the toilet. Very rude. :)
***** You're welcome. ;)
Now that you mention it the Cyber Controller did look like it was taking a dump;).
@@nicholasmaude6906 I kind of thought so. I get it's supposed to be a thrown or something but the design screams toilet to me. :)
It just needs somebody (ideally with "mass intelligence") to dub a flushing sound effect just before the door opens.
@@Morphstock That would be hilarious.
Still the best cyberman story.
I love that they are exploring the tombs of the Cybermen as if they were an extinct civilisation. It gives the story a great fictional history.
Best antagonists ever .
@@finnhoffman Only their origin .
@@Unit-3475 I prefer weeping angels myself but that's personal preference.
i wonder if Lovecraft's ATMOM had any influence on this story, since they both share some similarities.
@@thunderspark1536Meh. Most overated monster for me. A collection of (inconsistent) gimmicks that rely on cheap jumpscares. Only ever good for one story.
For some reason the older versions of Dr Who and his foes scare me more then the modern version, I think its the fact that the effects and costumes are so, strange. They resemble obvious fake-ness which makes it even more creepy for some reason.
They are in the uncanny valley.
Josh23761 I always thought that for the Cybermen in the 60s since it was on a shoe string budget the lack of convincing props had the Cybermen look more human in nature (obviously adding to the idea of humans that are human no more) therefore giving a greater inflection into the emotionless soul that once inhabited their corporeal shell (one such example is the dead drone in their voice.)
Josh23761 also because many of the modern Dr who foes are cgi and the classic ones However dated they may be were actually there in front of you gave the impression the doctor was in real danger.
Josh23761 yea you can tell there are people acting in the suit but that adds to the fact that they were once human is this there purely logical without emotion in new who there evil which the no emotion thing is better than were evil because we were turned into robots
In addition to agreeing with the other comments, I think that having being shot in B&W video/film gives it a certain escapist look that is timeless, it's minimalist, not over-engineered, thus it relies a lot on the sound/audio design/music, acting, and the actors, rather just using special effects alone. Also it's a slower pace (Multi-Camera TV) which allows you time to take it in, not like today with fast cuts.
That voice with that image saying "you shall be like us." Is the most genuinely chilling moment I've yet seen in the shows history.
Such a classic. Not just for Who, but for sci-fi as a whole.
@Quinn Thomas Have you not seen the story?
@@kdmedia1534 what
@@kieranmelville5451 wot
@@finnhoffman What racism?
@@finnhoffmanA shame people overeact.
The classic cybermen have cooler voices than the new ones.
+Antonio De Medeiros As a man who grew up with the new series I have to agree. Certainly regarding the the Cybus voices but the latest sounds like a mix of the 80s and Tomb voices.
Rocka Craig Same
Antonio De Medeiros Agreed. And scarier in every way
Depends on woch cybermens, but these are so cool !
Bradley Cagle so true. I think it's because you can see and hear just how human they once were. really hope the new series doesn't mess up the mondasion cybermen.
I somehow love how the guys in the Cybermen suits salute differently to the leader. Like that guy on the front was about to lift his hand early at 00:43 and the guy on the right does it so halfheartedly.
I think thats just the actor not knowing when to salute. Like waiting for other people.
Well, they couldn't really see that well, so they all saluted where they THOUGHT their foreheads were.
I think even mistakes like this help show off these cybermen. They're still human mentally from what I can tell, so they have quirks and names.
They’re probably all a bit slow after freshly de-icing.
I remember my Uncle showing me this episode when I was about 5. I was never afraid of any of the monsters in Doctor Who....but that voice sent a cold chill down my spine.
They speak like Robert the Robot from Fireball XL5
@fretboardmaster70 The voices were done the same way.
I really want to see these Cybermen take on the modern ones. Hey, if the Daleks can have a civil war, why not the Cybermen?
That - that's a really good idea. I'm steal- I mean, borrowing it ;)
+TranscendentLion I'm not sure who came up with this theory but one of the writers for the show (I think it might have been the writer of nightmare in silver) came up with an idea that the Mondas Cybermen and the Parallel earth cybermen met and combined technology,I always thought it would be cool to see a Cyberman civil war that explains that concept.
"Upgrade In Progress" -Ironmen Cybermen
"You are not required" -Mondasian Cybermen
*Insert Mondasian weapon beam noise as the Ironmen Cybermen scream in pain before exploding*
Since realizing that classic series Cybermen had like 5 or 6 different species. I wish we got more takes on them in modern age.
@@uhejnjd we did, we got cybusmen, the Mondasian, the Cyberiad which I assume came from Telos originally, the cyber beasts, Missy's Gravebursting Cybermen. We also go the square headed Cybermen in the Chibnall era.
These Cybermen are so much better.
No they aren't.
*Yes, they are*
Stevie
*yes they are*
Stevie they really are
No they really aren’t
The accompanying electronic music in this scene and the rest of the adventure is outstanding. I still remember it from when it was first transmitted.
YOU SHALL BE, LIKE US. One of the most terrifying lines in Dr. Who. When a classic who villain says that to you, you know you've messed up, real, REAL bad.
YOU WILL ALL BE MADE LIKE US.
I'd seriously like to see this voice come back for the Cybermen; yes, it's just a regular old artificial larynx, but it sure as hell fits the Cybermen better than any other voice.
Better than you will be deleted
I love how the cyber men start out the most human-like and over time, they act more and more “robot”
I'm a bit mixed about that, in the 70s/80s they REALLY went back to the human side especially with the pissed off stormtrooper/stig design in the 80s.
They had developed an incredibly huge anger management issue and their phobia of gold in silver nemesis was pitiful, getting so het up over a poop sized amount
Don't know why but that music is so cool like you KNOW the cyber men are coming
itsbronte Hopefully they'll use it for Series 10 Finale.
A Nightosphere's Lord yeah that would be so good
itsbronte Sorry for ask, but who's the girl on your avatar?
I have to confess that I first got into Dr. Who through the Eccleston series. Then I started watching classic Who, particularly Troughton (who has been my favourite ever since) and since that I just haven't been able to enjoy the new Who, especially ones based on pre-existing monsters, to the same extent. You do get the odd gem like The Empty Child and the Weeping Angels but the Daleks and Cybermen were just so much creepier and more menacing back in the day.
I find the Weeping Angels tiresomely overated honestly. Just a collection of gimmicks that rely on cheap jumpscares.
For 60s low budget TV, this was really awesome. Lucky they found it after losing it.
The suits are a bit silly, but the voices are much cooler! :D
IMO they're not that silly - They're showing that there's a human inside on purpose. blogs.houstonpress.com/artattack/2014/02/doctor_who_first_cybermen.php
***** 18...
+Omar Ahmed The idea of there being an actual human inside is much scarier in my opinion.
It just adds to that whole uncanny valley thing the Cyberman had going on back then, they looked human, but yet not quite. It was bizarre, creepy. It made it that bit more "real" in a sense.
Having just a brain inside an Iron Man-ripoff suit (2013 redesign) or a steampunk-ish suit of knight's armour (2006 redesign) is much less scary in my opinion, whereas I think that creepy is exactly what the Cybermen should be.
That being said about the 2006 redesign, I liked Rise of the Cybermen and Age of Steel, they did a good job of making the Cybermen at least a bit creepy, especially with the scenes inside the factory.
I really agree that the voices were cool (that last line sent shivers down my spine!) But I only half agree with the suits being silly, I get what you mean in that they are a bit ridiculous but then again I also agree with all the others that it feels more scary when it actually looks like a human is trapped inside of there.
The music in this story is incredible
They're so unsynchronized but I like their voice here, its creepier than today
Because you can't create a truelly creepy atmosphere with computer generated effects, no matter how hard you try.
Trick lighting and minimalist props will always come out on top
Vocalist92 horror video games kinda prove your point wrong a bit
I like that they are unsynchronised. It makes it feel so much more real than the CGI copy+paste we see these days.
Well they aren’t robots, they’re upgraded humans without emotions, they only survive, they don’t care about looking cool or spreading fear.
the music in this scene is actually stock music that the BBC used to have. Well done to doctor who for using it effectively.
I think this may be my favorite version of the Cybermen. The truly cold and devoid of emotion voice of the Cyber Controller is powerful enough as it is, but also, and while I think this was probably an unintended side effect of just the special effects of the time, the fact that behind it you can hear a sharp whisper that reminds you that there is in fact a living being beneath that unfeeling shell makes it really creepy to hear them speak. Add onto it that this story is reminiscent of stories about mummies, has an amazingly unsettling soundtrack, and maybe it's just me but it gives me serious Forbidden Planet vibes, all come together to make Cybermen that are actually genuinely scary. Which makes me all the more upset that this was almost immediately dropped in favor of the Cybermen we had for the rest of the classic era which were just. Dudes in plastic heads doing their best to make their voices sound deep all while having the menace of a bad guy from a straight to video educational movie. Like, Earthshock is good, but I can't get past how uninteresting the Cybermen themselves are in it. Such a shame.
This was the first episode of Classic Doctor Who I ever watched and got me hooked on the original Doctors.
Probably the greatest cliffhanger in the history of Doctor Who. Perfection.
this has to be a doctor who an all time classic one of the best stories from entire doctor series
Fun fact: whe the Telosian CyberTomb was reopened later on by a team of CyberNomads, the CyberController was reconstrcted in a new body, becoming the CyberNeomorph Controller, and later appeared in "Attack of the Cybermen".
I love the Cybermen voices from this episode. Easily the most creepy and intimidating.
Hmm... 'You belong to us...' Why does that sound so familiar?
Ah, what the heck?
ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!!!!!
Someone set up us the bomb!
NOTHING STOPS THE MAIL
Best Cyberman Voice Ever.
That cyberman is really creepy seriously, but it looks like it had its eyes drawn on with a magic marker xD
Eh, they were on the budget of a ham sandwich back then, so I don't blame them. But I would like to know why the Controller had an oversized egg on his head and what I can only hope is mayonnaise on his mouth.
I saw an interview with Michael Kilgarriff and he said that it had a battery inside for opening his mouth. I guess the plot was meant to be that it was his brain or something.
+RoBoSkullz I see. But what about the white stuff on his face?
+TheBrickmeister it's supposed to be ice I think
+RoBoSkullz ah ok thanks mate👍
These were always my favourite incarnation of the cybermen, because they were so tall and moved in these unnerving slow undulations, and their voices were awesome!
The Patrick Troughton era was known as the Monster era.........i mean each week, it was either Daleks, Cybermen, Yeti, Ice Warriors etc.
As a kid then.........i bloody loved it! :)
I got back into old who recently and you've gotten half of it right, when the scripts are good they're really good, great dialogue, fantastically unique ideas and a lot of the time their fantastically acted, then you have the charm of the low budgets and the clear signs of the times in which they were made, a good example is the incredibly 80s esque yet clever and funny Earthshock. All this to say, old who is truly brilliant.
my god. that voice still give me goosebumps
What do we do to make the music scarier, sir?
MORE REVERB!
god it was this episode! This one, this was my very first exposure to Dr Who. I was a kid camping out in an rv with my grandparents, they still had a tv antenna signal, and this was showing one night. I was like 10!
Brrrrr.....chilling. Love how the Cybermen loom, and are still disturbingly slightly human-looking. The Cyber-Controller's voice is very unnerving.
1:44 "YOU BELONG TO UUSS... YOU SHALL BE LIKE UUSS!"
These used to frighten me as a kid when I first saw them on tv
Memories!! I watched this when it was first shown in Australia in the late sixties and it was eerie and unsettling for an eight year old viewer!
+Amber Condell thanks for your comments Kinda guessed you were Australian when you mention the ABC.censoring bits.
Yes I was fortunately to see these early episodes produced on one pound budgets. Despite that they were imaginative stories with thought provoking adult themes which were way ahead of their time and even today leave many multi million science fiction shows in the dust for story complexity and human engagement. One example of this is the cyber men created by Dr Kit Pedlar and Jerry Davies long before Star Trek's Borg appeared they were pushing the mantra of "our way is the only way so we will forcibly convert you" seem familiar? Dr Kit pedlar was involved in cybernetics research in the sixties(I think) and wondered when people started replacing body parts with machine facsimiles would they still be human and how would it change their view of everything, . Its something we may have to confront if the age of trans humanism comes to pass.. Enough gas bagging from me hope that helps a little
Cheers
They play with themes and story lines that touch on morality,the use and abuse of power,and the life and death struggles in a Universe that could be cold and frightening in one corner and warm and inviting in another..
I like these Cyber men better than the modern take on them. These ones seem more unearthly,cold and machine like. The stuff of nightmares for the human race.
cybermen! They were before the Borg. The Controller looks a bit absurd, but overall and with that artificial voice is very effective..alien! I suspect there is
a mutatated human brain within the outer casing...the rest of the body is mechanical pumps and valves and joints moved by air pressure.
tbh cybermen back in the old days look a whole lot scarier than the ones rn
Especially the first generation (Tenth Planet) They looked like mummies hooked on to life-support systems.
The cybermen have never been as terrifying as in this episode ! I wish they could bring back this version of the cybermen in the new series :)
Old doctor who was terrifying. Like the further back you go on cybermen the creepier they get...
I wish that the Cyberman would go back to being something like this because I just cant stand the newer ones that we've got.
I feel the same with the whole show. It just sucks. Over exposed, trend-driven, & the music never shuts up.
The Troughton era excelled at making creepy monsters whether it be the cunning and down right horrifying Daleks, the creepy crawlers of the Macra Terror or the brutal and powerful Yeti but the Cybermen take the cake as just some of the most powerful and ruthless creatures in the program
Tomb of the Cybermen was a masterpiece.
0:41 Erie music but so GOOD
Convinced that the
"These things want to be us"
"No Doctor Chandra, you will be like us"
Bit in Winter of 83 was inspired by this.
1:23 my guy be talking to a dead human 😂
Still one of the best episodes in DW history
The music in this scene is so good! It sends shivers down my spine whenever I listen to it.
I remember when ‘The Tomb of the Cybermen’ was first broadcast. The defrosting of the Cyber Controller is etched in my memory. Iconic moment.
My favourite version of the Cybermen
I was American kid living in England when this aired on the BBC. As a kid I was crazy as a kid About Doctor WhoI and as an adult I appreciate how scary their voices were. When I camback to America in 1968 no one knew Who Doctor I was in grief grief over my favorite show and nobody to talk to about it
As time goes on, I still find it hard to decide whether I prefer the Tenth Planet Cybermen more or the Tomb Cybermen more. Both have such great designs and voices.
The Tenth Planet Cybermen style of talking feel like the writers were trying to break away from the cliche mono-tone robot voices that was popular in other sci-fi at the time. It really was a unique approach.
The Tenth Planet Cybermen are the creepiest monsters on Doctor Who, ever. Flesh hands, yes, but what horrors lurk under that fabric face covering? The way they talk, too - they open that lipless mouth, and words come out, with no movement of the jaws. When they die, they just shrivel up. The conversion process shown on 'The Doctor Falls', takes a long time, with the converted being in pain through all of it. That's proper horror, right there, which makes you think for a long time afterwards.
Why can't they make episodes like this again? This episode genuinely creeped me out
This is my favorite Cybermen episode, it's awesome and creepy.
Heya darling :D aaw it was so funny when you heard the talk you kinda squeaked and cuddled up to me x
idk blink to me was creepy.
Joraco Jicaro Blink was jumpy and atmospheric wheras this is designed to be dark and unsettling, two different kinds of scare.
samuella owens It was scary D:
That music scares the hell out of me at beginning
The production value of Doctor Who is so much higher and on par with most streaming shows and movies today. In many ways none of it compares with what the original crew did in the 60s with so much less. I watched this stuff with my parents as a kid in the 80s syndicated on PBS, in those days I went to bed with the light on, bc of 1960s and 1970s Doctor Who, lol.
These Cybermen are scary, I wish they would make a comeback
Probably my favourite Cyberman story, and probably the creepiest design and voice.
Exactly........the new shows have the money, where the old ones didnt.........BUT the old shows with there stories spread out over a few weeks, allowed viewers to become immersed in the stories and characters, and they hooked the viewer into looking forward to the following Saturday's episode, with a cliffhanger ending each week!
Now, a whole story is rushed through in a special effects show in under an hour.....and that's it!
One of my favourite Cyber voices
This episode was by far one of my favourite Troughton stories next to the Ice warriors, the alien villains back then were far more intimidating and scary.
Yes.....the Cybermen were at there best in the Troughton era (1966-1969), in which there were 4 stories.
They may look a bit naff in early versions, but they were so creepy, emotionless creatures, and they had those great electronic voices!
Today's Cybermen are not scary at all, they are just clunking robots.
The BBC should at least get rid of that clonking noise they make when they walk, and give them a new voice, and make them look less like robots, but creepy cyborgs as before!
My best doctor, and cybermen
1:43 - 1:53 and that ladies and gents is the scariest and best 10 seconds of the Cybermen ever and 10 of the best seconds of Doctor Who ever
Listen to that score
Incredibly scary and atmospheric
Today they ain't got a clue.
That "You shall be.. like usss" is so creepy!
One word.
Brilliant.
I remember watching this for the first time when it was found in 93. the cybercontroller is as chilling now as he was then.
do do-do-doo DOO DO-DOO
do do-do-doo DOO DO-DOO
DUN DUN DUN-DUN
Fucking love that music.
The cybermen terrified me back in the 60s
For those people who say "The modern ones look like robots" - that's the whole point. They started out humanoid and upgraded over time. It's like saying a modern smartphone doesn't look like one from the 1980's.
But after they became robots they're no longer creepy. The whole point of the '60s Cybermen is that disgusting combination between man and machine, where the organic and cybernetic parts horridly mesh together, making your skin crawl. You know that it was once a living, breathing human being, without you even being told beforehand, and you can feel the last few remants of its personality.
After _Revenge of the Cybermen_, they became...robots. Nothing much more than that. They didn't have any impact anymore. They were just really camp robots who sounded like Darth Vader and either died when gold was a meter away from them, or thought they were Windows PCs.
iLikeTheUDK I understand what you are saying but I grew up with Classic Who and as a kid (my mindset) I found the Daleks scary because they didn't look even remotely human whereas I could see the Cybermen as just men in silver suits. At 55 I am way past the point where anything scares me but I find the New Who Cybermen to be a credible enemy and they are still a brain in a metal body which, if I was going to be scared, would scare me. The old Cybermen did have fantastic voices though 8-)
iLikeTheUDK They were excellent in Earthshock and Attack Of The Cybermen, Silver Nemesis is where it started going down hill. But I agree, the new ones suck a dirty donkeys bollocks
I wouldn't have a problem with the modern smartphone idea if it wasn't for the fact that they abandon quite a lot of the core ideas of the Cybermen in favour of making them more like a disposable army than a means of survival.
One of the biggest problems with the Cybermen wasn't that they looked more robotic it was that at this point in their evolutionary line there wasn't a connection between the core concept of 'WE MUST SURVIVE' outside of just using nanobots to convert people (which for all intents and purposes just puts them in Agent Smith territory)
Hell even Agent Smith makes for a better Cyberman than the Nightmare in Silver varients because at least he's more preoccupied in making everything like him rather than the NIS Cybermen who seem to be at The Master's beck and call.
I thought the new cybermen (from tenth doctor series) were man-made, like from the other universe? They are actual aliens.
Wish I lived in this era. The music, the originality and the horrod of them
Oh for crying out--
Look, I'm not normally one to complain about the effects from the 60s serials, and inf act, I think the Cybermen look pretty good here, considering. But did they seriously just scribble the Cyber Controller's face on with a magic marker five minutes before shooting began and then, just to make sure we didn't overlook this bit of technical wizardry, run the credits over a giant closeup of him? I feel like at least one of those things could have been avoided.
if you think that's ridiculous, you should check out the adventure through space and time and see one of the cybermen smoke cigarettes : D
DOWSOE I know right, a person in a costume for a show during the 60's is smoking. :O
The cyber controller's voice makes me think of smoker's voiceboxes. And that TERRIFIES me.
Haha it's funny how it looks like there eyes have just been drawed on with a marker pen
their saluting motion is too cute
Honestly, I really love the way these Cybermen talk. They’re robotic, yet there is something unnerving about it. Like everything that was human about them before, no longer exists
Scary Stuff! A great scene from one of Patrick Troughton's best stories.
“You need our mass intelligence.”
“Actually we have that well in stock.”
am i the only one who notices that klieg screams before the cyber controller grabs him?
No you're not, I was going to bring it up too til I saw your comment. That's a shoddiness you wouldn't get in today's overly polished tv - a lot of classic who is awesome
Adam Rogers Probably thought he was gonna punch him in the face.
I always laugh because I notice that too.
The Mondasian Cybermen's shabby and crude design made sense to me because Mondas was a dying planet. They were slapping together cybernetic body parts to keep the human race alive as conditions got worse and worse. The oldest of them may remember the cold, the suffering, the dying (even if they can't feel horror or pain) and so their creed is to make all organic life like them, incapable of suffering.
The Cybus Cybermen lack personality and humanity. They may as well be robots 90% of the time they're on screen. It removes the body horror when the human is reduced to a weird "jelly" spread through an Iron Man suit. The scene where The Doctor talked to Sally was one of the few exceptions in Nu-Who
The Cybus Cybermen worked well in the context of Series 2, but it's a shame they became the default Cyberman until 2017.
Anyone else find this unsettling?
You bet. If you let it, it can still draw you in.
gomro It's pretty unnerving how they just speak in those monotone voices, it makes it kind of hard to believe that they were once human and still have human parts.
The thing thats so chilling about this incarnation of cybermen's voices... is that they speak with REAL-LIFE electrolarynxes, which is to say somebody thats actual voicebox has been replaced DO talk like that
That's just terrifying.. imagine if you were sleeping at night and suddenly you heard a voice like that... 0_0
I actually thought the voices were scarier in the following TOTC episodes.
Its a shame they didn't use this Cybermen voice more. Its one of the best and a hell of a lot better that what is used in the modern series.
it's really not
@@sillygoose635 It really is. :P
@@sillygoose635 It is as its the most realistic, which makes it more scary. Cos im pretty sure they used an electrolyrinx for people who dont have a voice box. And being the 60s id imagine they were abit more primitive, but created this terriyfying sound.
Point is if cybermen were somehow real and some scientist wanted them all to have the same voice, id imagine this is the route theyd go for
This ladies and gents is why Patrick Troughton's time in the TARDIS was so great.
1:43 the scariest voice for the cybermen
Even though these first Cybermen are the least 'cyber', they are the bloody creepiest out of all of them!!
Speak and spell Cyberman was grumpy after being crammed in a box
The music and voices are brilliant. Must've given kids the chills from Hell back in the day!
I love the closeup on its blank face covered with ice, cold and dead
Alright let’s have a conversation here,if you had to pick,which is your favorite Cyberman Design?
Personally a Mondasian Cyberman fan here
Im more of a Cyber Warrior/Ashad guy
This episode is brilliant for 1967. Love this early stuff
Love this theme. Wish they modernized it for the current Cybermen.
If you are talking about the music used in this scene, it is called 'Space Adventure Part 2', library music composed by Martin Slavin, and was first used on 'The Tenth Planet'. Hope this is of assistance.