The biggest issue I had with the decision was it being unanimous. Not one judge thought Loma won which is the real head scratcher. Teddy said it best, “Sometimes beating the judges is harder than beating the fighter in front of you.” It’s probably my favorite Teddy quote.
This statement is so dumb? Your mad the judges agreed on who won? I feel Loma won for sure but thinking a split decision is a good thing in anyway shows a lack of understanding of whats really going. The winner should win and be picked to win by people appointed to appoint the winners.
Think about it. The younger, hungrier, bigger, taller, talented up/coming undisputed lightweight champion who on the night of the fight weighed 15-20lbs heavier barely escaped with a controversial close decision (that most felt he lost) to a much smaller, older fighter in Lomachenko! I think that’s impressive on Loma…..
Of course. Facts! I’m a Devin Haney fan/supporter. However, I’m am also a big fan of Loma as well. I was pulling for Devin; however, it was extremely hard for me to root against Loma. He’s inspirational athlete. I’ve studied his fight style closely for years. Even at the age of 35, Loma is still a joy to watch. He’s a fantastic fighter. One of the all-time greats..💯
It wasn’t the worst decision we’ve ever seen in boxing, but I saw Loma taking the decision. Haney only had good body shots, one at a time. Not enough to beat combinations and getting rocked a few times.
@@myththelegend1036 definitely not washed. Loma never got shook whereas Haney did. You can debate this round or that, fair enough. But nobody got washed
loma should've won it's much harder to hit someone in the head than the body. if you think otherwise go pick up boxing for a few months and spar, you'd see.
Everything that was said I felt was true. Loma stated that he backed off in the last round because he felt he didn’t need to win it. I don’t generally judge fights point by point. I generally look at how well a fighter can accomplish his strategy while denying the opponent’s will. Once I saw what happened in the 10th and 11th where Loma was hitting Haney at will to me that was definite. Loma also hurt Haney at one point which Haney was never able to do.
That is the dumbest shit ive ever heard, Loma backed off? That's bullshit, he shouldve taken Haney out, or at least knocked Haney down, he didnt, he lost a clost fight
You just admitted you couldnt have scored the fight accurately. You said you don’t judge it round by round. I think Loma won the fight, but he lost the boxing match. Boxing is scored round by round.
@@Ghragle- Loma lost both, i watched the fight at .25 speed and those early rounds for Loma are boring as fuck, he didnt do hardly anything until round 10, some of the early rounds were close but the 1 consistent punch the whole fight was Haney to Lomas body, the announcers all had Haney up, compubox had Haney up also, i dont get how anyone can say it was stolen wtf fight did they watch? They are the loma fanboys saying that
@@vicvega3614 thank you... he was maybe hitting Haney twice in a 8 punch flurry.. everytime he threw a flurry the crowd went wild.. and I said he's missing!🤣🤣🤣
@14:01 I thought that after the 10th and 11th round Loma had figured out Haney and would continue in the 12th, but he didn't. Perhaps the body shots took away his legs?
@@revskull no, I thought that Loma lost the fight because he didn't "clearly" win enough rounds. Although Loma generated good momentum from rounds 10 and especially 11, it was the early rounds and the last round that Loma didn't do enough, imo. That said, a few of those early rounds were extremely close, and could have been judged either way. Loma, should have known that, and perhaps should have KOd him, taking the decision out of 3 American judges hands.
Strange for Teddy to focus on so much outside the actual details of the fight. The cleaner more accurate work was delivered by Lomachenko. The only two clear rounds won by either fighter were 10&11 in which Lomachenko was dominant. 12th was much like the others but probably Haney’s. Lomachenko should feel very hard done to!
@@mrreeree3633 you are correct of course. However, the overall scoring of the round does take in to account the impact of the shots. Loma, did not look troubled in the way Haney, towards the end of the fight looked like he was getting a bit of a boxing lesson.
What you’re not taking into account is those close rounds that look pretty even are going to someone that’s calculating the accuracy. Those close rounds go to Haney. Probably because he’s the one wearing the title.
I wonder why people keep making an issue of Loma starting later? He understands his strengths and limitations as a fighter. He is the smaller guy, it’s hard for a smaller guy to go toe to toe with naturally bigger guys when they are still fresh. As a smaller guy you need to figure out the bigger guy & break them down systematically. Even Manny PacMan usually came on stronger at the back end of the fight when facing bigger opponents.
The only problem with that is the fight is judged round by round. The judge turns in his card after each round. In a 12 round fight, if you let your opponent bag 7 rounds (it could be rounds 1-7), you can't win unless you knock him out. KO or TKO. You can't get 70 pionts in 5 rounds.
@@abjr1800 it’s actually simple you give up important rounds and try to turn it on later you have to capitalize especially in the 12th he took his foot off the gas after 10 and 11
It's his inactivity in those early rounds, he went a whole minute in the 1st round before he threw his first jab. In the teo fight I personally scored alot of those rounds for teo just from touching his guard ,pushing him back ect and Loma having no answer for it
Personally, I think Loma got robbed. I think Loma won 7-5 or even 8-4. I think the fight should have, at least, been a draw for the sake of "$" generation. Thousands of people booed Haney as he left the fight. With all those that came to back Loma, even still, Loma won. This reminds me of when Fury fought Wilder the first time and getting a draw.... Loma won pure and simple.
As afro americans say.... you are wrong you are a casual, watch without commentators in slow motion, turn the tv sideways and put the room temperature at 23 degrees and you will see that Haney CLEARLY won, because we afro americans we are the best, the whole world is wrong only we are right. The world is against us.... pathetic. ofcourse Lomachenko clearly won... the whole world saw it except Afro americans.
The best part was when Shakur made it to the ring and then Haney just left. Shakur going to school that boy. Tank would sleep him though. I’d pick Tank to sleep him even with both hands broken lol
Was a great fight. A close fight. Haney was in trouble a few times. Loma was never in trouble. The Judges need firing. Close, but Loma won that fight in my opinion.
I thought Loma won the fight watching it then and after watching it again this afternoon. Loma was on the front foot all night, Loma was the ring General controlling Haney.The rounds Loma won he dominated. Haney won rounds and it was razor thin. Loma won the compubox numbers. Loma landed many more punches overall, I think 25 more. Loma got robbed. Loma looked like he was at least 2 weight classes smaller and still controlled the fight. Haney was holding on most of the fight.
I think it is questionable weather Haney won the 12th. it could've been judged either way, just because it wasn't a clear win for Loma like the 11th. does not mean he lost the 12th. but I agree that if the 12th was another round like the 11th. it would've been hard not to give Loma the fight. what I don't understand is why more people aren't talking about Haney's elbows in Loma's face. finally there are images that are starting to be posted of Haney holding Loma's arm so he can't use it. and Haney's has his elbow right up against Loma's face. every time things got to close for Haney he put his elbows in Loma's face. which is probably why Loma had the abrasions on his face after the fight. Personally I don't think Haney won all the early rounds. and he definitely lost allot of the later rounds. it could've easily of been a 7 to 5 fight in favor of Loma. depending on how. you looked at things. which is how many of the top boxers in the audience had the fight. and how Max Kellerman had the fight. and I don't really understand why the judges are three Americans. it just doesn't seem right. and the one judge that scored the fight 116 to 112 should be banned from judging another fight. and his bank account records should be checked, and this stuff always seems to happen in Floyds Vegas. which unfortunately is where the Spence vs Crawford fight is going to be.
I didn't see nothing Haney did on the 12 rd to win the round,if anything the round was a draw, Haney didn't hurt Lomo wirh rose weak shots at all, I gave the fight to Lomo, Haney was out of wind, barely holdingn on
i just want to show my appreciation for teddy's passion and poetic approach to talking about boxing. this is the sport of the heart...teddy really shows that.
Haney won 8 to 4. To many power body shots. I only saw Loma clearly win one round in 11. You could make a case for 10 but it was close. Haney did a great job with the body shots and unfortunately most of the world was against Haney and his own country. It’s sad when he’s at home. I’ll never pull for Loma again after what I’ve heard. I hope Loma doesn’t win again unless he earns it. Show me some other rounds Loma won. Haney won the first 9.
I still think promotions have a big influence on results. People are clueless if they dont believe that. "Follow the money" isnt just a common quote with no meaning. The younger fighters with names need to be made and promoted. Unless its undisputable. "Never leave it in the hands of the judges" is not just a common quote with no meaning. I knew if Lomachenko didnt get a finish and didnt stay the general through all 12 that he wouldnt get the DC. I think Lomachenko won by the skin of his teeth. Judges apparently thought Hayney was decisive.
The missing narrative here isnt that Haney performed in some mythical 12th round, Loma thought he won and Haney was relieved. And this wasnt Teo in the 12th. Loma also landed more punches in the 12th. Anyway, its all moot. Now, either Haney runs it back and proves we are all wrong or Haney runs scared, leaving questions for the rest of his career.
Beyond everyone’s personal biases, or how they personally feel about Haney because of the push or deeper no one who really watched this fight on mute, and who can honestly push their personal biases aside can deny Haney the victory. His body shots were spot on and that is what made the difference in this fight, and as much or as hard as Lomo tried the accumulation of those body shots early on is what made Lomo easy up on the gas and threw the accuracy off on a lot of his shots I saw a clear and concise 8-4 victory for Haney, and I’m certain that the Commission did too after reviewing Lomo’s complaint.
t wash This whole 'watch the fight on mute' is BS. Not simply because if you listen to the fight on mute you will miss Haney say to his corner that Lomo had his number, on and around 9th. The ensuing 10th round was a display of how much he did have Haney's number who's head kept on getting snapped back all fight as the fact registered he never seen or had any answer to Lomo's well disguised, zero telegraphed left. With much success in this endeavor, Haney started a wane as his head started getting snapped back by Lomo's right-more registration of those unseen punches. We can be fair, Haney did well, and it was an elite level fight by both parties'. However, what Lomo did surpassed what Haney did in that ring. As an aside, Haney isn't rematching for all the tea in China, either. Nor will you want him too... (A demonstration of how confident the Haney deserved the V claimants are in what you/they claim to believe!)
@@rareearthelement8698 Facts are facts regardless of however long your comment is. Not taking anything away from Lomo he is a fighter who has all the basics down, but this was his fight to lose and he lost that fight on his own volition. He started too late, he tried to win the last 10 seconds of each round, and he allowed those body shots to wind him in the later of the 11th and 12th rounds and that coupled with giving up all those earlier rounds is what cost him that fight.
@t wash I can tell YOU that facts are facts. And fact is, Haney said he was beat in the 9th, and since didn't win a clear round. Haney's head snapping back, and Lomo with his illusive movement, and I don't give a flying forearm what anyone else thinks, that's what I personally want to see. ...Outside of an unmitigated beast like the great Prime Mike, of cause.
@Rare Earth Element who looked more beat up after the fight? 😂 Haney was primarily working the body and still beat Loma up more in the face. And those body shots late in the fight were getting more and more effective. Ask any boxer they'll tell you , hit me in the face not the body.
If anyone goes back and watches the fight round by round it was clear that Haney won 8 rounds and Loma won 4 rounds. On a point by point analysis it is clearly Haney in 8 of the 12 rounds. I challenge anybody to go back and watch the fight and really score the bout clearly round by round.
Mr. Atlas as a fight fan I want an immediate rematch. Haney won by a razor thin margin. That fight was so good that a rematch would be spectacular. Split the purse 50/50. Hold the fight in Madison Square Garden, Dubai, London, or Australia. No need to argue or debate. In the words of the great Mills Lane "Lets Get It On". Let's go!
I'd love to see the rematch right away. But Loma scared Haney and even more the fight's reaction from fans scared his promoter. But money talks and it would be huge. I won't watch Haney again if he doesn't rematch Loma next.
@@dustinalbers8160 Loma has said No rematch but a 50/50 purse split and holding the fight in London, Dubai, Australia or Madison Square Garden may entice him to take the rematch fight. The money for the rematch will be bigger than for the first fight. That was a very good fight and I will pay to see the rematch for sure.
Loma won that fight against Haney, there are so many videos out there and so many comments when reading through where 80 percent say Loma won. Those damn robberies in boxing.
Stop... Lomachenko beat Haney, he exposed him and any who know boxing know Haney got outboxed, outquicked, out jabbed, out power punched .... Yet, Haney gets decision, lmao..
THEM HANEY BODY SHOTS IS WHY LOMA BACK OFF ON THE 11 ROUND AND DID NOTHING ON THE 12, THE LOMA BASEMENT WAS FULL OF WATER BY THE HANEY WATER CORPORATION
I had Lomo, and it wasn't that close. The smaller man moved forward 8 of 12 rounds, put together combos, and his jab never stopped working. Haney literally walked into his jab all night and offered zero defense and rarely strung two punches together. I wish the experts would just say he didn't drop him, so he lost.
If Haney offered zero defense, then why is it that Loma only landed around 10 more punches while throwing 100 more? Why did they land nearly the same but Loma had lower accuracy if Haney had no defense? The math doesn’t even add up, it actually shows Haney had better defense than Loma.
@Kevin Herron jr Good observation, but even if you've earned that point, if you take another look at my comment, I've got you beat in terms of points 4 to 1. To Haney's credit, his body work looked good and was effective, but he never controlled the fight. Make that 5 to 1.
@@SkyHighCloudLow points? What are you talking about? All I did was call out the nonsense u typed about defense with fact and statistics. I didn’t bother to go after your other points because the one I replied to highlights your bias or lack of knowledge on the sport. Another one is that you have Loma coming forward 8 rounds which is a blatant lie. You also give him credit for combos that didn’t land which counts as points to Haney’s defense.
Haney control da fight & Loma came on late in spurts .. 10 round Loma landed clear shots but any other round Haney answered…12th round da 24 yr old finish like a champ
Are they giving these fights to the younger fighters to build them up? There have been quite a few controversial decisions lately that seem similar to this one.
Loma was robbed! He beat Haney into the corner and controlled nearly every round of the fight. Haney got in a few weak, in-effective body shots, and somehow those punches counted, but the beating Haney got throughout the fight didn't? Even the announcers sounded more like "influancers" 🤣
@@myththelegend1036 Exactly. Loma's face doesn't lie. Haney out landed him and his face was the proof. And I haven't even mentioned those crisp body shots earlier in the fight
@@myththelegend1036Loma’s face was covered with lace burns cause the next day it was clear as for Haney and his body punching that’s fine if you mix it up and have some round generalship which is what was accomplished by Loma all twelve rounds as far as the twelfth round I seen it as close but Loma pulled it out. UuLoma won that fight and if you look at haney’s face it was still swollen two days later.
@@guestguest5128 Haney looked worse, and the scratches on Loma's face were probably from his own gloves. Haney hits like a wet noodle and mostly hit nothing but air and glove that night. 😆🖕
Teddy said what I said. It was a very close fight but Haney won. If had been scored a draw or Loma by one round it would have been inside the margin of error! For people that said Loma won big they had their fanboy hats on and did not score round by round objectively. It also shows a flaw in the way all fights are scored. We don’t have a ten point must system. We have a two point must system. When is the last time you saw someone win a round 10-7? A big round is 10-8. A close round is 10-9. That’s it. A guy gets dropped multiple times in a round and judges score 10-8. The need to use more of the ten points or go to a 3 point must system. Just my 10 cents worth.
Well, Teddy never said Haney won. He talked a lot but never gave his winner. Ha talked about what both fighters did and to be honest it sounds like he can't pick a winner so it's a draw in his head.
Yo you should hear Paulie's take on the fight, he broke it down how you expect but with emotions and never fails to take shots at the fans he considers d riders 😂 but these guys know their shit and the way they break it down is like music to your ears
@@Cloud-9_C9 I'm a big fan of Paulie as well. I really like hearing him announce a fight. He might even be better at that than he was as a fighter and he was a good fighter.
It was a close fight! Haney won Simple! Loma rallied two strong rounds towards the later end but it still wasn’t enough to cause any damage to the champion Haney If the tables was turned and Loma was the undisputed Champion and Haney faught the same way Loma did and Loma fought the same way Haney did. You would still say Loma won. There definitely is a bias
Hey Teddy, did you go back and watch the fight? I asked because it seems most of the professional pundit have said the fight was way closer than they thought it was live.
Lomachenko threw a lot of punches in the tenth and did not connect this is what happens when you want someone to win so badly you see what is not there.
I thought the last round was close but I in no way ever felt that Haney definitely won it. I had money on Haney and didn’t feel great about that round and I certainly didn’t think I won my bet when the fight was done
As much as I want to win loma the fight is being score by rounds not the one that dominated 2 rounds. Loma obviously dominated the later rounds but those score are 10-9 not 10-8 and thats how boxing is being scored regardless i had haney winning 115-113
Loma was getting close but not doing any damage. Too many body shots go unnoticed and not given the credit as a head shot would. The right fighter won imo and I wanted Loma to win
In those rounds that were close, Loma scored more points being more technical and throwing more punches. Rounds where Haney clearly won were fewer than Loma.
@@flamboyentpromotions3471He was making Haney miss and with the particular punch that he wanted Haney to throw. And countering well with not just the counter punches, but via getting into position for those counters. And calculated beyond the initial first move. Like in chess. He was able to plan 3 to 4 moves ahead and then execute them well. Obviously in the boxing ring - and in the nature of this fight it was done at a very high pace, whereby reflexes and timing is instrumental. That is why he was more technical. Though all too often his calculated positioning was unfortunately offset by receiving an elbow in the face, certainly far too blatant and often to sit comfortably with the Marques of Queensbury anyway.
He let up the 11th round??? What were you watching teddy? Loma dominated the 11th round! I saw complete and utter boxing dominance from Loma that 11th round. Not even close.
while a draw would have been fine, Devon did not seem to do enough to win the fight. history has shown that the younger usually gets the nod. so in that sense it is kind of a robbery.
Not a robbery but....Haney didn't win that fight, Loma in complete control of Haney and almost stopped him late. A far better fighter than Haney, a small guy bashing a big guy, Loma looked not only quicker but also a bigger puncher than Haney. Haney is still a very good fighter though, but Loma is exceptional. And at 35 yrs of age... staggering!
@@ajvindiesel8517Loma definitely lost this fight bro. If you go back and watch and look at how long he remains inactive during a rd you’ll see he lost. Doesn’t matter what he was doing you can’t take that long to throw a punch. My coach used to tell me even if it’s not a big punch you have to remain active throughout the rd. Even if you look at the punch stats and you give loma a W for every rd he had more landed and better accuracy he would still come up short.
@@dukea9053 you've completely contradicted yourself, inactive? That why he thrown and landed significantly more? It was laughable at the end, he was schooled and too scared to fight, he walked down that tunnel bemused and befuddled by what had just happened to him.
@@ajvindiesel8517 I didn’t contradict myself you just don’t understand what I’m saying which is why people think he won the fight. I’m telling you why I believe he lost he was inactive for too long during rds. Not to say he was completely inactive but there he had spurts where he worked where Haney was constantly looking for the open shots and looking to work off he jab in almost every rd. If you go back and watch and count how long it takes loma to throw a punch after Haney vs Haney throwing a punch after loma you’ll see what I’m talking about.
i agree, Haney win. Loma was better when he come close with speed combo, Haney must not play this game, it's to speed. you can play that game if your name is Davis and you send big scud in counter
The decision was BS. Loma won pretty easily, and he even won the 12th round because almost all of Haney's landed shots were non-scoring low blow fouls to the leg.
What fight were you watching? Nothing you said about the 12th round was remotely true. Even Loma admitted that he gave the 12th round away, because he was ahead. I don't think you even watched the fight to make such a ridiculous claim. Smdh!
Even if loma won the 12th which was close its still a majority draw on the score cards and thats the crazy part so teddy and alot of other people saying if loma would of won the 12 he would of won thats just not the case.. it would of been a bigger robbery then it is because the score cards would of been 114-114. 114-114 115-113 haney.a majority draw so even if u agree that he lost the 12th it wouldn't of won him the fight even though most people feel he won the fight without winning the 12th..loma got robbed either way..i got loma winning rounds 1,2,3,7,8,9,10,11 with the 6th and 12th swing rounds no way haney won that fight you would have to give haney every close round because he didn't have more then 1 round where he won clear and the only people that would give him every close rounds are biased
Loma had the opportunity to fight Haney 3 years ago. He declined the fight. 😔 So we can never say, Haney waited until Loma was pass his prime. He asked for the fight and Loma declined in his prime.
What rubbish! Boxing is a business. Haney brought nothing to the table. What is the point of fighting an opponent if there is nothing to win but the fight itself?
@@henkbielderman4243 you’re right and Haney alone doesn’t bring in the money. It’s still true even now and he’s undisputed. Look at Taylor he’s also undisputed, and he can’t bring in a sold out arena just on his name. Taylor is fighting Teo next week in Madison Square Garden. I’m curious on the sales of this fight too. These guys are still young and raw. Tank brings in more fans including casual ones. They know they’re going to see a guy either get dropped or maybe just maybe the unbeaten guy himself finally hits an immovable wall. Some want to see you succeed and others to see you fail. Haney and Taylor aren’t those guys imo. They don’t care if they win or lose. That’s the problem with them. They’re not as marketable as other fighters in the world. Anyways, that’s me and to each their own. Haney beating Loma is no surprise. Him winning unanimously is the only issue I have with it. For all three to say Haney definitely win is a lie. Combat sports are awesome, but judges are super biased just like the commentators. So not one judge thought Loma won. I had him winning, but it was close. Split decision would’ve been okay if it was for either guy.
@@blackblurable Great comment and on point! Haney is not a 'dangerous' fighter. He brings no sense of danger to the ring unlike GGG or Canelo. To be sure he is skilled but that alone is not enough to bring that frisson of excitement that viewers want at the big fights. As a lifelong boxing fan ( I am 70 years old) there are fights that I simply refuse to buy, especially when the result is a foregone conclusion a la Fury/ Chisora. I have also not watched one minute of the Mayweather/ McGregor 'fight' if it can be called that. Something else I wasted my time and money on was the Tyson/Roy Jones Jr. debacle. Never again will I pay any heed to watch an 'exhibition' bout between two geriatrics! I had Loma winning going away. When I watch a fight I look to see who's the Boss! Remember it is first a fight using boxing as the martial art. Loma was the Boss. The boo's Haney had to endure will forever ring in his ears. Remember Broner/Maidana? I am now also a big MMA fan. Good luck to you and thank you for your time.
Bla bla bla great story telling. Loma rocked him all fight. Those body shots were weak AF. All those body shots were because he couldnt use his jab. There is a big reason for that. Loma exposed Haney. Now that división smells blood in the water. Hes done.
You can dance around inventing all your dream excuses but Loma out boxed him anyway you want to twist things around. You saying you knew what he was thinking is a stupid statement no matter how many years you have broadcasting.
I'll take Teddy's word as gospel. There's no reason judges wouldnt have favored Loma. This debate can be settled with a rematch,but promoters are such Divas these days, it might take 10 yrs for it to happen.
Hainey did not win the 12th nor did he win the fight. He was gifted the decision. The fight was a lot closer than I thought it would be but even giving Hainey the benefit of the doubt in some of the "swing" rounds he still lost 7-5
Right, Teo was gifted the fight too. So did salido. TR had it right when they said Loma had no defeats when he had one. That’s extremely bias. Loma always getting this extra credit for doing NO HOMEWRK. he fight shakur he getting beat again. NEXT!!!
@@stanbernal2789 Fights are scored by rounds Haney won 1,2,4,5 and 12 Loma won 3,9,10,11 and round 6-8 were swing rounds. Loma had the momentum in 9-11 but that doesn’t win him the bout. 7-5 either way is a great card I thought Haney edged the bout I thought he won the 6th because he fought the entire round and Loma really didn’t 7 and 8 are extremely close also and both have an argument for those rounds
Hmm!...2 to 3 rounds? And you chose Loma for unanimous decision? You do realize that Loma would have to K.O. / T.K.O the champ to become the NEW champ!🤔
Loma shot Haney in the head effectively all night Haney's body shot didn't do shit there wasn't around Haney won nothing spectacular over hype boring fighter
I don't think Haney necessarily won the fight, but Loma lost the fight. He didn't do enough, and Havey was fighting out there. You don't see that from him.
It was close enough to be a draw regardless. If you think Loma is a legend, then Haney is elite. They both fought great and it was close either way. I had 115-113 for Haney with no rooting interest. People saying it was a robbery are insane.
I can not understand why people are saying the fight was a robbery. The fight was a even fight that could’ve gone three ways it just so only happened to go one. I think the people that are calling it a robbery we’re watching the fight with their hearts instead of their eyes.
I was in attendance, and have rewatched the fight about 5 times now. The first half of the fight was very competitive. Nearly every round was close. Rounds 5 and 6 were the clearest rounds I had for Devin. In my opinion, if you didnt have the fight even or close to even entering the 7th or 8th round, then you were being biased in one fighter's favor or the other. Loma took over in the 2nd half of the fight. I gave Loma rounds 7 to 11. Rounds 8 through 11 was the most one-sided stretch of the fight by far, with rounds 10 and 11 being dominant by Loma. Round 11 was a thing of beauty. Devin fought hard and did better in the 12th, and I gave him that round but this narrative people are trying to spin that he clearly took that round is atrocious. It was a close round. IMO 8-4, 7-5 to Loma were the most appropriate scores for the fight. It was a great fight, high-level, fast-paced stuff. It was awesome to witness it in person, but the wrong guy was given the decision. An overwhelming majority of the crowd was furious and rightfully so, including a lot of Haney supporters. It was a competitive fight, but just because it was competitive does not mean that there wasn't a clear winner. Lomachenko was the clear winner and should be the undisputed lightweight champion. But boxing will be boxing. What goes on inside of the ring between two competitors coming to win is real, but the results are too often not. It sucks because I love this sport and have loved it for ages, but the blatant corruption and audacity from these corrupt officials to constantly insult the intelligence of fans and try to make them question what they saw is sickening. It would be like if the NBA told fans that the Lakers beat the Nuggets in a game despite the fact that the Nuggets scored more points than the Lakers in that game. I truly hope things get better, but I'm not counting on it. Every fight is going to get the catch after the fact or stream treatment from me until Inoue-Fulton and Bud-Spence get down.
You guys were being hyped by th biased commentator. Loma maybe won the 3rd round. After that, it was all Haney, working the body, uppercuts, jab, and the commentators saying nothing, meanwhile they would scream at any Loma’s punch. Loma won the 9th, the 10th and the 11th. For me that’s it, all the other rounds were Haney’s, hands down. ESPN and Top Rank wanted Loma to win so bad. Even on the highlights they favor Loma.
Yes, and boxing is more than just how a fight turns out on a given night. Usually, one is a better fighter than the other and he wins, say, 8 out of 10 times. I think that's why Sugar Ray Leonard would not give Duran a rematch for many years. It wasn't because it was "bad for boxing." People said Sugar had the wrong strategy that night, but he admitted to Howard Cossell that he couldn't keep Duran off. Haney doesn't look interested in giving Loma a rematch now, which says a lot.
I think most people don't realize that loma has been the darling since the beginning of his pro career, remember he got a shot at the title on his 2nd pro fight unheard of. So has been the pattern. Now he looses to heiny and the world ends for his followers what about the guys that have to earn a shot......
Teddy You are biased. You always say how much you like Haney. SO you can't be honest about who won. Loma clearly won. This fight also defines you. You once called out the guy who beat Pacquiao and told him he did not win. But you can't do it now because of your bias. Disappointed.
The problem with Boxing is the level of human error and subjectivity that you're obviously going to get with only 3 judges (all sitting ring side), particularly in a close fight. The solution in my mind is to have many more judges (both ring side and watching on monitors and television) scoring both the rounds and registering punch statistics and then aggregate the results over a much wider sample size than 3. You get one vantage point (ring side), one set of punching stats, and three judge's decisions. You're never going to have close to the highest level of accuracy and objectivity you could get with a system like that. You also have quite binary scores 10-8 if there's a knock down and otherwise 10-9. Everyone can see plain as day that the most telling rounds in the fight were the 10th and 11th, the only rounds when one fighter (Loma) was mentally and physically overpowering his opponent. Moretti somehow gave the 10th 10-9 to Haney, which is a travesty, but that aside, there should be more reward for the fighter pressing the action and having his opponent rocked, than the same 10-9s Haney got in the earlier rounds (some of which we can question because they were very tight).
All that you typed , and I’m sure I agree with most of it but let’s be clear. Loma fans claim he beat Teo and TR was going around saying he’s undefeated when he wasn’t . I have no problem with being a fan of any fighter . HOWEVER, nobodies about to give Loma anything cause u guys feel for him. Loma has moved up in weight and fought tough guys he has earned my respect but nobody giving him fights he didn’t win. Fuck outta here
I was thinking along similar lines. More judges, watching in slow mo controversial moments between assaults if necessary, and a more robust process for scoring. And also a scoring of judges according to their accuracy, so that biased ones are spotted and eliminated from key fights.
You can’t win a fight with just 2 rounds (10th and 11th) no matter how spectaular and dominant they are-2 rounds not enough. People got wowed by 2 rounds and forgot the other 10. Can’t do that
This is really, really good analysis by Teddy. This is prob my favorite-- talking about the boxing gods even! He told a story and narrated all the drama that both fighters brought to the ring.
The biggest issue I had with the decision was it being unanimous. Not one judge thought Loma won which is the real head scratcher. Teddy said it best, “Sometimes beating the judges is harder than beating the fighter in front of you.” It’s probably my favorite Teddy quote.
Was waiting for,..... "FOLLOW THE MONEY 💰"
Never came 😔
This statement is so dumb? Your mad the judges agreed on who won? I feel Loma won for sure but thinking a split decision is a good thing in anyway shows a lack of understanding of whats really going. The winner should win and be picked to win by people appointed to appoint the winners.
Because Loma didn't do enough... go back and watch it minute by minute
Maybe cuz Loma didn't win
@@alexsykes4509 watching Haneys head bounce around was what I seen when watching back
Think about it. The younger, hungrier, bigger, taller, talented up/coming undisputed lightweight champion who on the night of the fight weighed 15-20lbs heavier barely escaped with a controversial close decision (that most felt he lost) to a much smaller, older fighter in Lomachenko! I think that’s impressive on Loma…..
No one took anything from Loma, just that night Haney won.
Usually if close rounds happen, judges will lean towards the champion. You TAKE those belts without a shadow of a doubt
@@Ze_Moose Exactly....
Of course. Facts! I’m a Devin Haney fan/supporter. However, I’m am also a big fan of Loma as well. I was pulling for Devin; however, it was extremely hard for me to root against Loma. He’s inspirational athlete. I’ve studied his fight style closely for years. Even at the age of 35, Loma is still a joy to watch. He’s a fantastic fighter. One of the all-time greats..💯
@@Ze_Moosehow did that work for Teo against Kambosses in madison square guardian
It wasn’t the worst decision we’ve ever seen in boxing, but I saw Loma taking the decision. Haney only had good body shots, one at a time. Not enough to beat combinations and getting rocked a few times.
Loma's combination punches weren't connecting the majority of the time. Loma got washed.
@@myththelegend1036 literally watched da nigga head pop back each combo
@@myththelegend1036 definitely not washed. Loma never got shook whereas Haney did. You can debate this round or that, fair enough. But nobody got washed
Loma was missing a lot , and the crowd was still cheering 😅😅😅😅.
loma should've won it's much harder to hit someone in the head than the body. if you think otherwise go pick up boxing for a few months and spar, you'd see.
Everything that was said I felt was true. Loma stated that he backed off in the last round because he felt he didn’t need to win it. I don’t generally judge fights point by point. I generally look at how well a fighter can accomplish his strategy while denying the opponent’s will. Once I saw what happened in the 10th and 11th where Loma was hitting Haney at will to me that was definite. Loma also hurt Haney at one point which Haney was never able to do.
That is the dumbest shit ive ever heard, Loma backed off? That's bullshit, he shouldve taken Haney out, or at least knocked Haney down, he didnt, he lost a clost fight
You just admitted you couldnt have scored the fight accurately. You said you don’t judge it round by round. I think Loma won the fight, but he lost the boxing match. Boxing is scored round by round.
Apparently you didn't watch loma face when getting hit in that body..
@@Ghragle- Loma lost both, i watched the fight at .25 speed and those early rounds for Loma are boring as fuck, he didnt do hardly anything until round 10, some of the early rounds were close but the 1 consistent punch the whole fight was Haney to Lomas body, the announcers all had Haney up, compubox had Haney up also, i dont get how anyone can say it was stolen wtf fight did they watch? They are the loma fanboys saying that
@@vicvega3614 thank you... he was maybe hitting Haney twice in a 8 punch flurry.. everytime he threw a flurry the crowd went wild.. and I said he's missing!🤣🤣🤣
@14:01 I thought that after the 10th and 11th round Loma had figured out Haney and would continue in the 12th, but he didn't. Perhaps the body shots took away his legs?
so you think Loma lost the fight because he wasn't dominant in the 12th?
@@revskull no, I thought that Loma lost the fight because he didn't "clearly" win enough rounds. Although Loma generated good momentum from rounds 10 and especially 11, it was the early rounds and the last round that Loma didn't do enough, imo. That said, a few of those early rounds were extremely close, and could have been judged either way. Loma, should have known that, and perhaps should have KOd him, taking the decision out of 3 American judges hands.
@Lions Truth loma was never down big and certainly didnt know he was even if the judges had him down big because the early round were close
@@revskull Loma lost because he wasn't dominant in the first half of this fight and he gave away the final round when he had nothing to lose.
plus loma outlanded haney in the 12th he lost the round because he was on the back foot and not controlling the ring
Strange for Teddy to focus on so much outside the actual details of the fight. The cleaner more accurate work was delivered by Lomachenko. The only two clear rounds won by either fighter were 10&11 in which Lomachenko was dominant. 12th was much like the others but probably Haney’s. Lomachenko should feel very hard done to!
I agree but the body shots from haney were very clean also
@@mrreeree3633 you are correct of course. However, the overall scoring of the round does take in to account the impact of the shots. Loma, did not look troubled in the way Haney, towards the end of the fight looked like he was getting a bit of a boxing lesson.
What you’re not taking into account is those close rounds that look pretty even are going to someone that’s calculating the accuracy. Those close rounds go to Haney. Probably because he’s the one wearing the title.
I would like to hear more comments from Ken. I think he always has good takes👍
Agreed. Ken is a class act.
I wonder why people keep making an issue of Loma starting later? He understands his strengths and limitations as a fighter. He is the smaller guy, it’s hard for a smaller guy to go toe to toe with naturally bigger guys when they are still fresh. As a smaller guy you need to figure out the bigger guy & break them down systematically. Even Manny PacMan usually came on stronger at the back end of the fight when facing bigger opponents.
Starting later cost ya points if your not able to knock opponent out
The only problem with that is the fight is judged round by round. The judge turns in his card after each round. In a 12 round fight, if you let your opponent bag 7 rounds (it could be rounds 1-7), you can't win unless you knock him out. KO or TKO. You can't get 70 pionts in 5 rounds.
@@abjr1800 it’s actually simple you give up important rounds and try to turn it on later you have to capitalize especially in the 12th he took his foot off the gas after 10 and 11
It's his inactivity in those early rounds, he went a whole minute in the 1st round before he threw his first jab. In the teo fight I personally scored alot of those rounds for teo just from touching his guard ,pushing him back ect and Loma having no answer for it
Regardless of how one performs during that fight, the judge who scored incorrectly during Pacquiao and Vargas fight was also the same judge.
Personally, I think Loma got robbed. I think Loma won 7-5 or even 8-4. I think the fight should have, at least, been a draw for the sake of "$" generation.
Thousands of people booed Haney as he left the fight. With all those that came to back Loma, even still, Loma won.
This reminds me of when Fury fought Wilder the first time and getting a draw....
Loma won pure and simple.
As afro americans say.... you are wrong you are a casual, watch without commentators in slow motion, turn the tv sideways and put the room temperature at 23 degrees and you will see that Haney CLEARLY won, because we afro americans we are the best, the whole world is wrong only we are right. The world is against us.... pathetic. ofcourse Lomachenko clearly won... the whole world saw it except Afro americans.
You say Loma got robbed then follow up with 7-5 which is one round. You contradict yourself in the same sentence.
@@ClassicManTV no contradiction
The best part was when Shakur made it to the ring and then Haney just left. Shakur going to school that boy. Tank would sleep him though. I’d pick Tank to sleep him even with both hands broken lol
First 6 5-1 haney easy look again with unbiased eyes
Was a great fight. A close fight. Haney was in trouble a few times. Loma was never in trouble. The Judges need firing. Close, but Loma won that fight in my opinion.
I thought Loma won the fight watching it then and after watching it again this afternoon. Loma was on the front foot all night, Loma was the ring General controlling Haney.The rounds Loma won he dominated. Haney won rounds and it was razor thin. Loma won the compubox numbers. Loma landed many more punches overall, I think 25 more. Loma got robbed. Loma looked like he was at least 2 weight classes smaller and still controlled the fight. Haney was holding on most of the fight.
Haney won all of the early rounds.
9-3 Haney
I think it is questionable weather Haney won the 12th. it could've been judged either way, just because it wasn't a clear win for Loma like the 11th. does not mean he lost the 12th. but I agree that if the 12th was another round like the 11th. it would've been hard not to give Loma the fight. what I don't understand is why more people aren't talking about Haney's elbows in Loma's face. finally there are images that are starting to be posted of Haney holding Loma's arm so he can't use it. and Haney's has his elbow right up against Loma's face. every time things got to close for Haney he put his elbows in Loma's face. which is probably why Loma had the abrasions on his face after the fight. Personally I don't think Haney won all the early rounds. and he definitely lost allot of the later rounds. it could've easily of been a 7 to 5 fight in favor of Loma. depending on how. you looked at things. which is how many of the top boxers in the audience had the fight. and how Max Kellerman had the fight. and I don't really understand why the judges are three Americans. it just doesn't seem right. and the one judge that scored the fight 116 to 112 should be banned from judging another fight. and his bank account records should be checked, and this stuff always seems to happen in Floyds Vegas. which unfortunately is where the Spence vs Crawford fight is going to be.
How did Floyd get into this?
@@l.b.9567 Good point?
I didn't see nothing Haney did on the 12 rd to win the round,if anything the round was a draw, Haney didn't hurt Lomo wirh rose weak shots at all, I gave the fight to Lomo, Haney was out of wind, barely holdingn on
@@thecounselorace621 yeah well Loma should've finished him then, he didnt. Loma didnt even knock Haney down
Loma is dirty he was spearing his shoulder into haneys ribs stop crying bro
Loma landed punches. Haney landed elbows.
Facts!
There's nothing quite like a Teddy Atlas fight review 🥊
Loma is incredible. I hope he doesn't retire & I hope he forces the rematch!
If he gets a rematch, he loses.
@@StuartCallendar nope Loma beat the shit out of Haney & y'all are so transparent, y'all are mustyy AF bruhhh
Loma rejected the rematch from Haney
He doesn't want to rematch
He’s know the rematch is gonna be much worst for him
i just want to show my appreciation for teddy's passion and poetic approach to talking about boxing. this is the sport of the heart...teddy really shows that.
It was a great fight. Despite the controversy. Both Loma and Haney are monsters
Haney impressed me in this fight he actually fought but the judges got it wrong he lost this fight 7-5
Haney won 8 to 4. To many power body shots. I only saw Loma clearly win one round in 11. You could make a case for 10 but it was close. Haney did a great job with the body shots and unfortunately most of the world was against Haney and his own country. It’s sad when he’s at home. I’ll never pull for Loma again after what I’ve heard. I hope Loma doesn’t win again unless he earns it. Show me some other rounds Loma won. Haney won the first 9.
Haney got exposed. He gets in there with tank or shakur it’ll be a short night. Lol
@@vincemeyers2064 Tank haven't fought nobody. A few dehydrated fighters
@@loubang100 haha devin got exposed.
A foreign fighter can't expect a fair judging in Vegas.
Robbed. Haney out boxed. Wobbled 3x. Loma aint popular enough w judges..
I still think promotions have a big influence on results. People are clueless if they dont believe that. "Follow the money" isnt just a common quote with no meaning. The younger fighters with names need to be made and promoted. Unless its undisputable. "Never leave it in the hands of the judges" is not just a common quote with no meaning. I knew if Lomachenko didnt get a finish and didnt stay the general through all 12 that he wouldnt get the DC. I think Lomachenko won by the skin of his teeth. Judges apparently thought Hayney was decisive.
Listening to teddy is like playing fight night again
I'm bout 2 watch it again 😂
Those games were fun. Fight Night 2 was my favorite for sure. I wish they remastered them or at least make another one.
Body shots caught up to him that’s why he let his foot off the gas
The missing narrative here isnt that Haney performed in some mythical 12th round, Loma thought he won and Haney was relieved. And this wasnt Teo in the 12th. Loma also landed more punches in the 12th. Anyway, its all moot. Now, either Haney runs it back and proves we are all wrong or Haney runs scared, leaving questions for the rest of his career.
Hold up Loma said himself that he took the 12th off so what you on about?
It's insane that Loma fanboys are saying he won a round that Loma himself said he gave away/lost in the post fight presser... Nothing short of insane.
@@flamboyentpromotions3471 He threw 55 punches in the 12th, tying the 5th round as the most he threw in the fight.
@@jwheels9876 how many hit?
@@flamboyentpromotions3471 Loma landed more than Haney in the 12th round
I disagree Loma took most of those early rounds at least 5 and at least 2 of the late rounds!!! Haney might have won round 1 but don't believe it!
Beyond everyone’s personal biases, or how they personally feel about Haney because of the push or deeper no one who really watched this fight on mute, and who can honestly push their personal biases aside can deny Haney the victory. His body shots were spot on and that is what made the difference in this fight, and as much or as hard as Lomo tried the accumulation of those body shots early on is what made Lomo easy up on the gas and threw the accuracy off on a lot of his shots I saw a clear and concise 8-4 victory for Haney, and I’m certain that the Commission did too after reviewing Lomo’s complaint.
t wash This whole 'watch the fight on mute' is BS. Not simply because if you listen to the fight on mute you will miss Haney say to his corner that Lomo had his number, on and around 9th. The ensuing 10th round was a display of how much he did have Haney's number who's head kept on getting snapped back all fight as the fact registered he never seen or had any answer to Lomo's well disguised, zero telegraphed left. With much success in this endeavor, Haney started a wane as his head started getting snapped back by Lomo's right-more registration of those unseen punches. We can be fair, Haney did well, and it was an elite level fight by both parties'. However, what Lomo did surpassed what Haney did in that ring.
As an aside, Haney isn't rematching for all the tea in China, either. Nor will you want him too... (A demonstration of how confident the Haney deserved the V claimants are in what you/they claim to believe!)
@@rareearthelement8698 Facts are facts regardless of however long your comment is. Not taking anything away from Lomo he is a fighter who has all the basics down, but this was his fight to lose and he lost that fight on his own volition. He started too late, he tried to win the last 10 seconds of each round, and he allowed those body shots to wind him in the later of the 11th and 12th rounds and that coupled with giving up all those earlier rounds is what cost him that fight.
@t wash I can tell YOU that facts are facts. And fact is, Haney said he was beat in the 9th, and since didn't win a clear round. Haney's head snapping back, and Lomo with his illusive movement, and I don't give a flying forearm what anyone else thinks, that's what I personally want to see. ...Outside of an unmitigated beast like the great Prime Mike, of cause.
I watched it on mute also. I couldn't believe how many elbows Haney threw. Dude is going to be a great MMA fighter.
@Rare Earth Element who looked more beat up after the fight? 😂 Haney was primarily working the body and still beat Loma up more in the face. And those body shots late in the fight were getting more and more effective. Ask any boxer they'll tell you , hit me in the face not the body.
If anyone goes back and watches the fight round by round it was clear that Haney won 8 rounds and Loma won 4 rounds. On a point by point analysis it is clearly Haney in 8 of the 12 rounds. I challenge anybody to go back and watch the fight and really score the bout clearly round by round.
Mr. Atlas as a fight fan I want an immediate rematch. Haney won by a razor thin margin. That fight was so good that a rematch would be spectacular. Split the purse 50/50. Hold the fight in Madison Square Garden, Dubai, London, or Australia. No need to argue or debate. In the words of the great Mills Lane "Lets Get It On". Let's go!
I'd love to see the rematch right away. But Loma scared Haney and even more the fight's reaction from fans scared his promoter. But money talks and it would be huge. I won't watch Haney again if he doesn't rematch Loma next.
Loma is too old to do it again. He knows it that's why he ain't pressing the issue
@@dustinalbers8160 Loma has said No rematch but a 50/50 purse split and holding the fight in London, Dubai, Australia or Madison Square Garden may entice him to take the rematch fight. The money for the rematch will be bigger than for the first fight. That was a very good fight and I will pay to see the rematch for sure.
Loma won that fight against Haney, there are so many videos out there and so many comments when reading through where 80 percent say Loma won. Those damn robberies in boxing.
Barely anyone had a scorecard
Man Teddy is great at telling the truth on these issues. What a great encyclopedia of knowledge.
Teddy is pretty Accurate on what he sees and I agree with him on this but my opinion is the Judge got it wrong.
Stop... Lomachenko beat Haney, he exposed him and any who know boxing know Haney got outboxed, outquicked, out jabbed, out power punched .... Yet, Haney gets decision, lmao..
THEM HANEY BODY SHOTS IS WHY LOMA BACK OFF ON THE 11 ROUND AND DID NOTHING ON THE 12, THE LOMA BASEMENT WAS FULL OF WATER BY THE HANEY WATER CORPORATION
I had Lomo, and it wasn't that close. The smaller man moved forward 8 of 12 rounds, put together combos, and his jab never stopped working. Haney literally walked into his jab all night and offered zero defense and rarely strung two punches together. I wish the experts would just say he didn't drop him, so he lost.
👏🏼👏🏼
If Haney offered zero defense, then why is it that Loma only landed around 10 more punches while throwing 100 more? Why did they land nearly the same but Loma had lower accuracy if Haney had no defense? The math doesn’t even add up, it actually shows Haney had better defense than Loma.
@Kevin Herron jr Good observation, but even if you've earned that point, if you take another look at my comment, I've got you beat in terms of points 4 to 1. To Haney's credit, his body work looked good and was effective, but he never controlled the fight. Make that 5 to 1.
@@SkyHighCloudLow points? What are you talking about? All I did was call out the nonsense u typed about defense with fact and statistics. I didn’t bother to go after your other points because the one I replied to highlights your bias or lack of knowledge on the sport. Another one is that you have Loma coming forward 8 rounds which is a blatant lie. You also give him credit for combos that didn’t land which counts as points to Haney’s defense.
@@kevinherronjr3998 Gotcha 👍
Haney control da fight & Loma came on late in spurts .. 10 round Loma landed clear shots but any other round Haney answered…12th round da 24 yr old finish like a champ
In 10yrs time nobody will rember the fight just the result
Everyone remembers Chavez robbery against Whitaker and Taylor. Or Leonard vs Hagler. Bob Arum is the white Don King.
When this fight is mentioned it will always be mentioned.
Maybe in the USA.. we live in a world full of different countries and cultures, so NO the rest of the world WONT FORGET ..
@@CommonSenseMatters1111 nah people in the US won’t forget. Boxing fans who respect and appreciate the sport anyway.
In 10 years nobody knows who is Devin Haney
Are they giving these fights to the younger fighters to build them up? There have been quite a few controversial decisions lately that seem similar to this one.
Loma was robbed! He beat Haney into the corner and controlled nearly every round of the fight. Haney got in a few weak, in-effective body shots, and somehow those punches counted, but the beating Haney got throughout the fight didn't? Even the announcers sounded more like "influancers" 🤣
Loma got beat up and his face says it all. He wasn't robbed at all, plus he only had 3 to 4 good rounds and was slow to figure out Haney.
@@myththelegend1036 Exactly. Loma's face doesn't lie. Haney out landed him and his face was the proof. And I haven't even mentioned those crisp body shots earlier in the fight
Loma’s ass wasn’t robbed. Loma face shows what happened to his ass…
@@myththelegend1036Loma’s face was covered with lace burns cause the next day it was clear as for Haney and his body punching that’s fine if you mix it up and have some round generalship which is what was accomplished by Loma all twelve rounds as far as the twelfth round I seen it as close but Loma pulled it out. UuLoma won that fight and if you look at haney’s face it was still swollen two days later.
@@guestguest5128 Haney looked worse, and the scratches on Loma's face were probably from his own gloves. Haney hits like a wet noodle and mostly hit nothing but air and glove that night. 😆🖕
Teddy said what I said. It was a very close fight but Haney won. If had been scored a draw or Loma by one round it would have been inside the margin of error! For people that said Loma won big they had their fanboy hats on and did not score round by round objectively. It also shows a flaw in the way all fights are scored. We don’t have a ten point must system. We have a two point must system. When is the last time you saw someone win a round 10-7? A big round is 10-8. A close round is 10-9. That’s it. A guy gets dropped multiple times in a round and judges score 10-8. The need to use more of the ten points or go to a 3 point must system. Just my 10 cents worth.
Well, Teddy never said Haney won. He talked a lot but never gave his winner. Ha talked about what both fighters did and to be honest it sounds like he can't pick a winner so it's a draw in his head.
Love the breakdown of the fight Teddy ... and I equally loved the breakdown of the fighters. That's some of your best work brother.
Agreed 100%
Yo you should hear Paulie's take on the fight, he broke it down how you expect but with emotions and never fails to take shots at the fans he considers d riders 😂 but these guys know their shit and the way they break it down is like music to your ears
@@Cloud-9_C9 I'm a big fan of Paulie as well. I really like hearing him announce a fight. He might even be better at that than he was as a fighter and he was a good fighter.
@@dprich100he was a gutsy fighter was Paulie
@@68majortom Totally agree.
It was a close fight!
Haney won Simple!
Loma rallied two strong rounds towards the later end but it still wasn’t enough to cause any damage to the champion Haney
If the tables was turned and Loma was the undisputed Champion and Haney faught the same way Loma did and Loma fought the same way Haney did.
You would still say Loma won.
There definitely is a bias
Haney should consider wearing gloves on his elbows but then again I don't think that would have helped because obviously he lost this fight!
Hey Teddy, did you go back and watch the fight? I asked because it seems most of the professional pundit have said the fight was way closer than they thought it was live.
When Teddy starts talking about the THE DOG!!! at 10:16 it gets me fired up 🔥every time. Teddy is the greatest boxing philosopher of our time.
If so that only speaks to the low state of boxing. He is a derivative pos.
Lomachenko threw a lot of punches in the tenth and did not connect this is what happens when you want someone to win so badly you see what is not there.
I thought the last round was close but I in no way ever felt that Haney definitely won it. I had money on Haney and didn’t feel great about that round and I certainly didn’t think I won my bet when the fight was done
Rare honesty bro, you dont see that nowadays. But hey, Congrats. count your winnings!
He won the round
Loma himself admitted he gave away/lost the 12th round in the post fight presser
@@dukington101 says a lot when he gave away a round and still won that bitch. Just because he said he gave it a way don’t mean you give it to Haney 🤡
This guy is a D rider. Stop giving Loma shit he didn’t earn.
If ever there is a competition to make a short story long, Teddy Atlas wins hands down.
This man can turn 'War and Peace' into a trilogy!
As much as I want to win loma the fight is being score by rounds not the one that dominated 2 rounds. Loma obviously dominated the later rounds but those score are 10-9 not 10-8 and thats how boxing is being scored regardless i had haney winning 115-113
I respect you for being honest. A lot of people’s hate for haney won’t allow them to be truthful.
Loma was getting close but not doing any damage. Too many body shots go unnoticed and not given the credit as a head shot would. The right fighter won imo and I wanted Loma to win
And when did Haney do damage? At what point was Loma hurt or even in trouble?
In those rounds that were close, Loma scored more points being more technical and throwing more punches. Rounds where Haney clearly won were fewer than Loma.
If you watch a video of punches landed, hard or soft, Loma wins very clearly
You niggas dont know how to score a fight 😂😂😂😂 bc he threw more punches he won the round? DEVIN LANDED AT A HIGHER PERCENTAGE
More technical?what does that mean? Haney was throwing shots to the head an body, Loma was only throwing head shots an slot of the pitty patty punches
@@flamboyentpromotions3471 have a look at the punches landed videos where they show ALL punches landed, Loma so far ahead
@@flamboyentpromotions3471He was making Haney miss and with the particular punch that he wanted Haney to throw. And countering well with not just the counter punches, but via getting into position for those counters. And calculated beyond the initial first move.
Like in chess. He was able to plan 3 to 4 moves ahead and then execute them well. Obviously in the boxing ring - and in the nature of this fight it was done at a very high pace, whereby reflexes and timing is instrumental. That is why he was more technical. Though all too often his calculated positioning was unfortunately offset by receiving an elbow in the face, certainly far too blatant and often to sit comfortably with the Marques of Queensbury anyway.
Fair man..me personally didn't look like lomachenco did anything until last 4 rounds
He let up the 11th round??? What were you watching teddy? Loma dominated the 11th round! I saw complete and utter boxing dominance from Loma that 11th round. Not even close.
while a draw would have been fine, Devon did not seem to do enough to win the fight. history has shown that the younger usually gets the nod. so in that sense it is kind of a robbery.
Finally!!! a proper analysis of this fight.
So many dumb people out there talking about a robbery.
So many people don't understand boxing.. Just the media hype... and it's sad. We all know Haney took this W...
Not a robbery but....Haney didn't win that fight, Loma in complete control of Haney and almost stopped him late. A far better fighter than Haney, a small guy bashing a big guy, Loma looked not only quicker but also a bigger puncher than Haney. Haney is still a very good fighter though, but Loma is exceptional. And at 35 yrs of age... staggering!
@@ajvindiesel8517Loma definitely lost this fight bro. If you go back and watch and look at how long he remains inactive during a rd you’ll see he lost. Doesn’t matter what he was doing you can’t take that long to throw a punch. My coach used to tell me even if it’s not a big punch you have to remain active throughout the rd. Even if you look at the punch stats and you give loma a W for every rd he had more landed and better accuracy he would still come up short.
@@dukea9053 you've completely contradicted yourself, inactive? That why he thrown and landed significantly more? It was laughable at the end, he was schooled and too scared to fight, he walked down that tunnel bemused and befuddled by what had just happened to him.
@@ajvindiesel8517 I didn’t contradict myself you just don’t understand what I’m saying which is why people think he won the fight. I’m telling you why I believe he lost he was inactive for too long during rds. Not to say he was completely inactive but there he had spurts where he worked where Haney was constantly looking for the open shots and looking to work off he jab in almost every rd. If you go back and watch and count how long it takes loma to throw a punch after Haney vs Haney throwing a punch after loma you’ll see what I’m talking about.
Lomachenko is a fighter who is only defeated by the judges. Have never been defeated by a fighter.
"To see that he was something more than flash; something more than neon talent" - Teddy Atlas.
And he showed it
i agree, Haney win. Loma was better when he come close with speed combo, Haney must not play this game, it's to speed. you can play that game if your name is Davis and you send big scud in counter
The decision was BS. Loma won pretty easily, and he even won the 12th round because almost all of Haney's landed shots were non-scoring low blow fouls to the leg.
What fight were you watching? Nothing you said about the 12th round was remotely true. Even Loma admitted that he gave the 12th round away, because he was ahead. I don't think you even watched the fight to make such a ridiculous claim. Smdh!
The fact that you think he won "easily" shows your bias
10-2 haney or 8-4 if you want to feel sorry for lamo but devin out worked and beat lamo easier than even he could imagine
Even if loma won the 12th which was close its still a majority draw on the score cards and thats the crazy part so teddy and alot of other people saying if loma would of won the 12 he would of won thats just not the case.. it would of been a bigger robbery then it is because the score cards would of been 114-114. 114-114 115-113 haney.a majority draw so even if u agree that he lost the 12th it wouldn't of won him the fight even though most people feel he won the fight without winning the 12th..loma got robbed either way..i got loma winning rounds 1,2,3,7,8,9,10,11 with the 6th and 12th swing rounds no way haney won that fight you would have to give haney every close round because he didn't have more then 1 round where he won clear and the only people that would give him every close rounds are biased
Haney 114/113 was my scoring card.
Loma had the opportunity to fight Haney 3 years ago. He declined the fight. 😔
So we can never say, Haney waited until Loma was pass his prime. He asked for the fight and Loma declined in his prime.
What rubbish!
Boxing is a business.
Haney brought nothing to the table. What is the point of fighting an opponent if there is nothing to win but the fight itself?
@@henkbielderman4243 you’re right and Haney alone doesn’t bring in the money. It’s still true even now and he’s undisputed. Look at Taylor he’s also undisputed, and he can’t bring in a sold out arena just on his name. Taylor is fighting Teo next week in Madison Square Garden. I’m curious on the sales of this fight too. These guys are still young and raw. Tank brings in more fans including casual ones. They know they’re going to see a guy either get dropped or maybe just maybe the unbeaten guy himself finally hits an immovable wall. Some want to see you succeed and others to see you fail. Haney and Taylor aren’t those guys imo. They don’t care if they win or lose. That’s the problem with them. They’re not as marketable as other fighters in the world. Anyways, that’s me and to each their own.
Haney beating Loma is no surprise. Him winning unanimously is the only issue I have with it. For all three to say Haney definitely win is a lie. Combat sports are awesome, but judges are super biased just like the commentators. So not one judge thought Loma won. I had him winning, but it was close. Split decision would’ve been okay if it was for either guy.
@@blackblurable Great comment and on point!
Haney is not a 'dangerous' fighter. He brings no sense of danger to the ring unlike GGG or Canelo. To be sure he is skilled but that alone is not enough to bring that frisson of excitement that viewers want at the big fights.
As a lifelong boxing fan ( I am 70 years old) there are fights that I simply refuse to buy, especially when the result is a foregone conclusion a la Fury/ Chisora.
I have also not watched one minute of the Mayweather/ McGregor 'fight' if it can be called that.
Something else I wasted my time and money on was the Tyson/Roy Jones Jr. debacle. Never again will I pay any heed to watch an 'exhibition' bout between two geriatrics!
I had Loma winning going away. When I watch a fight I look to see who's the Boss! Remember it is first a fight using boxing as the martial art. Loma was the Boss. The boo's Haney had to endure will forever ring in his ears. Remember Broner/Maidana?
I am now also a big MMA fan.
Good luck to you and thank you for your time.
Loma gave up the 12th round like a fool either that or haney hurt him to the body and he couldn't take the 12th
Loma won and dont let haney forget about that
Which 7 rounds did you give Loma?
@@kadeem8207 yeah ask again . Because the records don’t lie
@@kadeem8207 funny how when tht question is asked it's NEVER answered😂
@kidYadahyadahyadah17wins 3Loses and a crybaby don't deserve another shot.
Stop with the privilege
Bla bla bla great story telling. Loma rocked him all fight. Those body shots were weak AF. All those body shots were because he couldnt use his jab. There is a big reason for that. Loma exposed Haney. Now that división smells blood in the water. Hes done.
Teddy knows boxing. I'm not sure what fight his co-host was watching 🤦🏽♂️
The same one we were all watching cuz
And Rudolph The Red knows rain dear!
judges are killing boxing in EEUU...I won't pay to be arranged fights..
Thank you for your honesty. And staying uncompromised
No probs Phil. Just here to help 😊
These judges are delusional if they think Haney won they smokin crack 😂💯
You can dance around inventing all your dream excuses but Loma out boxed him anyway you want to twist things around. You saying you knew what he was thinking is a stupid statement no matter how many years you have broadcasting.
I'll take Teddy's word as gospel. There's no reason judges wouldnt have favored Loma. This debate can be settled with a rematch,but promoters are such Divas these days, it might take 10 yrs for it to happen.
Hainey did not win the 12th nor did he win the fight. He was gifted the decision. The fight was a lot closer than I thought it would be but even giving Hainey the benefit of the doubt in some of the "swing" rounds he still lost 7-5
Right, Teo was gifted the fight too. So did salido. TR had it right when they said Loma had no defeats when he had one. That’s extremely bias. Loma always getting this extra credit for doing NO HOMEWRK. he fight shakur he getting beat again. NEXT!!!
Haney closed out the fight. landed a lot of points to the body through out the rounds. He did get damaged in 9,10,11th but that’s out of 12 rounds 🙄
Teddy was spot on.. it was either 114-114 or 115-113 either way.. but it wasn't a robbery
It was stolen from Loma watch fight again.
@@stanbernal2789 I did.. I still had it 7-5 Haney
@@stanbernal2789 Fights are scored by rounds Haney won 1,2,4,5 and 12 Loma won 3,9,10,11 and round 6-8 were swing rounds. Loma had the momentum in 9-11 but that doesn’t win him the bout.
7-5 either way is a great card I thought Haney edged the bout I thought he won the 6th because he fought the entire round and Loma really didn’t 7 and 8 are extremely close also and both have an argument for those rounds
@@stanbernal2789 so teddy atlas doesn’t know what he’s talking about, is what you are saying, because he just said Haney won the fight.
It was a blatant robbery period!
Man Loma won that fight straight up ! It was close but I had Loma unanimous decision!
😂
You’re not 3 people.
Why is it unanimous?
@@MAGACOPP ahaha right bud
Hmm!...2 to 3 rounds? And you chose Loma for unanimous decision?
You do realize that Loma would have to K.O. / T.K.O the champ to become the NEW champ!🤔
@@MAGACOPP don’t even make sense bru ! Haney got beat rewatch the fight don’t matter though tank gonna fuck him up
@@a.c.6475 Bru rewatch the fight Loma won straight up ! Don’t matter Tank gonna fuck him up !
Loma let up because those body shots Haney hit him with were effective.
Loma won 12 Rd
@10:17 startled my dogs in the living room, they all stood up and started barking
The 10th & 11th rds are the only rds that can be definitely judged (for Loma). The first rds Haney was coming fwd while Loma was keeping the distance.
Exactly the 10th and 11th rounds were the only rounds Loma won clearly to me
@@since8810 and....what round did Haney decisively win? L 0 l
@@isaackwon1637 Haney won the first half of the fight what you on about 😂
Loma shot Haney in the head effectively all night Haney's body shot didn't do shit there wasn't around Haney won nothing spectacular over hype boring fighter
@@arycorvette884 Who got a more injured face? LOL
Tbh is was 7-5 Haney or coulda been a draw….watching the fight again Haney edge out alot of the early rounds
The emotions on Teddy's face says a lot how feels
No one gives a fuck about the emotions on teddy’s face.
I don't think Haney necessarily won the fight, but Loma lost the fight. He didn't do enough, and Havey was fighting out there. You don't see that from him.
Man that fool Devin got exposed too bad & made it obvious the decision was fake
It was close enough to be a draw regardless. If you think Loma is a legend, then Haney is elite. They both fought great and it was close either way. I had 115-113 for Haney with no rooting interest. People saying it was a robbery are insane.
@@darthrevan6 bullshit.
I can not understand why people are saying the fight was a robbery. The fight was a even fight that could’ve gone three ways it just so only happened to go one. I think the people that are calling it a robbery we’re watching the fight with their hearts instead of their eyes.
It’s the scorecards
I was in attendance, and have rewatched the fight about 5 times now. The first half of the fight was very competitive. Nearly every round was close. Rounds 5 and 6 were the clearest rounds I had for Devin. In my opinion, if you didnt have the fight even or close to even entering the 7th or 8th round, then you were being biased in one fighter's favor or the other. Loma took over in the 2nd half of the fight. I gave Loma rounds 7 to 11. Rounds 8 through 11 was the most one-sided stretch of the fight by far, with rounds 10 and 11 being dominant by Loma. Round 11 was a thing of beauty. Devin fought hard and did better in the 12th, and I gave him that round but this narrative people are trying to spin that he clearly took that round is atrocious. It was a close round. IMO 8-4, 7-5 to Loma were the most appropriate scores for the fight. It was a great fight, high-level, fast-paced stuff. It was awesome to witness it in person, but the wrong guy was given the decision. An overwhelming majority of the crowd was furious and rightfully so, including a lot of Haney supporters. It was a competitive fight, but just because it was competitive does not mean that there wasn't a clear winner. Lomachenko was the clear winner and should be the undisputed lightweight champion. But boxing will be boxing. What goes on inside of the ring between two competitors coming to win is real, but the results are too often not. It sucks because I love this sport and have loved it for ages, but the blatant corruption and audacity from these corrupt officials to constantly insult the intelligence of fans and try to make them question what they saw is sickening. It would be like if the NBA told fans that the Lakers beat the Nuggets in a game despite the fact that the Nuggets scored more points than the Lakers in that game. I truly hope things get better, but I'm not counting on it. Every fight is going to get the catch after the fact or stream treatment from me until Inoue-Fulton and Bud-Spence get down.
You guys were being hyped by th biased commentator. Loma maybe won the 3rd round. After that, it was all Haney, working the body, uppercuts, jab, and the commentators saying nothing, meanwhile they would scream at any Loma’s punch. Loma won the 9th, the 10th and the 11th. For me that’s it, all the other rounds were Haney’s, hands down. ESPN and Top Rank wanted Loma to win so bad. Even on the highlights they favor Loma.
Yes, and boxing is more than just how a fight turns out on a given night. Usually, one is a better fighter than the other and he wins, say, 8 out of 10 times. I think that's why Sugar Ray Leonard would not give Duran a rematch for many years. It wasn't because it was "bad for boxing." People said Sugar had the wrong strategy that night, but he admitted to Howard Cossell that he couldn't keep Duran off. Haney doesn't look interested in giving Loma a rematch now, which says a lot.
@@rr29fulthe highlights favour loma because loma was landing more shots.
Watch it in slow motion, champ 🤦
I think most people don't realize that loma has been the darling since the beginning of his pro career, remember he got a shot at the title on his 2nd pro fight unheard of. So has been the pattern. Now he looses to heiny and the world ends for his followers what about the guys that have to earn a shot......
Go and do your homework!
You offer an opinion that has no value!
Boxing is business!
Teddy You are biased. You always say how much you like Haney. SO you can't be honest about who won. Loma clearly won. This fight also defines you. You once called out the guy who beat Pacquiao and told him he did not win. But you can't do it now because of your bias. Disappointed.
Someone said in the comments that Haney weighed 15-20 lbs more on fight night. Is that right?
Haney weighed 5lbs more than Loma.
Big deal.
Cry about it.
@@MAGACOPP Hey! It's not my birthday and I'll cry when I wanna! 😝
Teddy had a stroke or 3 before this release
Loma won that fight
I liked seeing HANEY STAND N TRADE IN THE 12TH I THOUGHT LOMO MISSED HIS OPPORTUNITY IN THE 12TH AGAINST THE CHAMPION, RUN IT BACK
I Love the show , best wishes from the UK 🇬🇧
The problem with Boxing is the level of human error and subjectivity that you're obviously going to get with only 3 judges (all sitting ring side), particularly in a close fight. The solution in my mind is to have many more judges (both ring side and watching on monitors and television) scoring both the rounds and registering punch statistics and then aggregate the results over a much wider sample size than 3. You get one vantage point (ring side), one set of punching stats, and three judge's decisions. You're never going to have close to the highest level of accuracy and objectivity you could get with a system like that. You also have quite binary scores 10-8 if there's a knock down and otherwise 10-9. Everyone can see plain as day that the most telling rounds in the fight were the 10th and 11th, the only rounds when one fighter (Loma) was mentally and physically overpowering his opponent. Moretti somehow gave the 10th 10-9 to Haney, which is a travesty, but that aside, there should be more reward for the fighter pressing the action and having his opponent rocked, than the same 10-9s Haney got in the earlier rounds (some of which we can question because they were very tight).
All that you typed , and I’m sure I agree with most of it but let’s be clear. Loma fans claim he beat Teo and TR was going around saying he’s undefeated when he wasn’t . I have no problem with being a fan of any fighter . HOWEVER, nobodies about to give Loma anything cause u guys feel for him. Loma has moved up in weight and fought tough guys he has earned my respect but nobody giving him fights he didn’t win. Fuck outta here
They don't need other eyes on 2 people boxing. Two. is enough,
I was thinking along similar lines. More judges, watching in slow mo controversial moments between assaults if necessary, and a more robust process for scoring. And also a scoring of judges according to their accuracy, so that biased ones are spotted and eliminated from key fights.
You can’t win a fight with just 2 rounds (10th and 11th) no matter how spectaular and dominant they are-2 rounds not enough. People got wowed by 2 rounds and forgot the other 10. Can’t do that
Congratulations, Haney!
R u moretti?
@@bodanlunny1323 RU?
@@gone2soon86 no
Haney won. We know it. You know it. Atlas knows it. Stop crying in the comments.
This is really, really good analysis by Teddy. This is prob my favorite-- talking about the boxing gods even! He told a story and narrated all the drama that both fighters brought to the ring.
Should have been a draw because Haney was the champion and Loma didn't do enough to unanimously win his belts.
I've always liked Haney and am a big fan but the kid got beat for me to a all time great that is a magician in the boxing ring
I must say I appreciate Teddy's honesty. These biased fans and media swear this man is something he's not. But Teddy kept it 💯.
He did but he didn't say haney won also just lomo didn't show enough in the 12 to show the biased judge
@@johnjames-dp4tl Oh and the only ones that's bias are the insane Fanboys who has no knowledge of boxing their just in love with a fighter.
@@interstateneekyeh, Haney fans
@@vincentwatson2960 I'm a fan of the sport buddy not a man.
Haney lost.