Hey Eben here, the DP of the TLOU episodes mentioned. I just wanted to say thank you for such a thorough and inspiring analysis, I'm genuinely touched to be referenced alongside so many of my heroes.
Wow, this genuinely just made my year! I really appreciated all of the coverage you posted on Twitter about your process in helping to develop the look of the show. It was particularly interesting to hear about your process of giving freedom to the actors - especially during the piano scene in episode three, which is absolutely stunning. I know you’ve talked about being inspired by Conrad Hall’s emotional connection to the characters in a scene, and I definitely can feel that in your work. I certainly share your admiration for his work, and I am really inspired by what you do. So grateful for this comment!
@@fromtheframe Well, capturing night or recreating it in camera is certainly nice, but is what you say really what we are looking at? For example 13:20 13:47 That is simple edge lit day for night in a horrible quality. Where is the helicopter in the original shot, where are the clouds coming from? I could have done a more subtly defined shot in a higher quality in front of a cheap Chinese greenscreen with a canon t3i and Magic Lantern. I know YT compression is bad. But it isn't THAT bad. So where is the justification for 65 mil and raping an Alex 65 into infrared here?!! Clear sky! Even in infrared. Next to no definition in the actor and bloody sky replacement. If you shoot CGI, man up to CGI. And you don't tell people they caught "Night" on camera here. And that next shot is even worse. One of the most memorable night scene was not in your doc. It is in a Spielberg film, i think it was ET, where a group of men is searching a forest at night with torches and dogs. Perhaps not natural, but in cinema, natural is crap. Suspended disbelief is here at work. For that moment I was in that forest. Avoid the uncanny valley, by not trying to be realistic in cinema. It never works. Cinema is not reality and it follows different rules.
That scene in The Last of Us jumped out to me and I immediately wanted to know how it was shot! But I never found out.... This video is amazing. I'm obsesed with night cinematography!
You choosed exactly the four night cinematography scenes that made me think a lot about night cinematography in the last year and you made a video about night cinematography using those four scenes as examples. Its conforting to know that i'm not alone. I think the technique that they invented for Nope is by far the best at recreating night as we see it, but the way they did it on The Northman gets very similar results and its seems to be a lot easier and cheaper.
Yeah, each of these films had pretty well documented BTS content, so that made it a little easier. It's interesting that Nope and The Northman were two films trying to recreate how our eyes actually perceive moonlight and yet each looks so different.
This is one of the most comprehensive, well presented, and well edited videos on a topic that I've watched. And it's the first video for the channel! I'm subscribing and I hope your channel grows exponentially. It certainly deserves to with this production value.
This video was so concise, consistently informative and eye catching. It made me late for work. Thank you for this! I already know I’m going to pretend I’m a cinematographer when my rod vision kicks in at night.
here before this channel pops off. super informative video and makes me feel better that professional, established cinematographers also get nervous for night shoots. great job !
this is an amazing breakdown and such a thorough examination with so many sources explored and explained. creating genuine discourse, this is probably one of the best video essay videos on motion pictures I've seen on UA-cam. please keep this content coming!
Another great video! Very well researched. Portraying night in film is one of the most interesting aspects of the cinematographic process. I love that they all look different and everybody has a different perspective on what night looks like. I went down the rabbit hole with my short film and ended up doing a day for night. It was one of the most formative experiences I've had in terms of lighting. I would recommend anyone interested in this to try for themselves. One tip I have if anybody is interested in this is to try shooting below the native ISO of the camera. That gives you more dynamic range in the shadows, which allows you to have deep blacks that are noise free. Thanks for the video!
Awesome video! I hope your channel grows. I'm attempting to get into filmmaking and lighting is one of the most difficult things to get a handle on, so videos like these are gold to me.
Thanks for the support! Yeah lighting is definitely hard to grasp. I highly recommend American Cinematographer Magazine or British Cinematographer Magazine for their in depth breakdowns and lighting plots for recent film releases. They also tend to post the articles on their website about a month after the magazine release, so that is also an option. Both of those sources have been invaluable to me as I continue to learn about the craft of cinematography.
I gotta say, this was incredible. I absolutely love how you dissected each scenarios process to reflecting what they visualized for Night. Well done!!!
This is the best cinematography at night video I've seen and I've seen a lot on youtube, but this perspective was much needed. Surprised by the low sub count wow, won't be long till you're sky high that's for sure haha, you gained another sub just now.
I've watched this multiple times becauese there is so much to learn from this video. It's so well researched and put together. I'm shooting a night scene next weekend, and I'm deffo goijg to be using some of techniques in this video. It's comforting to hear that even Deakins gets nervous before night scenes lol Thank you for doing this, it almost feels like cheating that we get this for free!!
Ha! I majored in film and never really learned about this. I learned a lot from ASC magazine and British Cinematographer magazine. Certain subscriptions give you access to their entire back catalogues, which are an absolute wealth of information.
Amazing video! This was incredibly well done. I myself am a fan of the harder lights night for night look. I feel like clarity is super important. The night scenes in some movies are so dark and lacking in contrast that if there's even a tiny bit of ambient light in the room you're watching it you can't tell what's going on. While watching Dune 2021 I even unplugged the LED lights in the back of my tv because it made it hard to see what was going on. I think my favorite night for night is Lord of the Rings. Hard and blue back lights with a softer front light. It's not true to life but it feels perfect for what they're conveying. Nope is definitely my favorite day for night look.
Definitely took some time trying to figure out how to explain concepts like scotopic, photopic, and the purkinje effect. Thanks for noticing the hard work!
My favourite night time scene in a movie is probably from Ryan's Daughter. There's quite a few night time scenes, but the one where all the villagers are rescuing cargo from the storm stricken sea is incredible. A scene that I will never forget.
My all-time favorite is still The Lord of the Rings-Peter Jackson nailed the fantasy of nighttime blue tinting while still showing full action so that detail wasn’t lost. It shouldn’t look like it works, high fill lights lighting up the actors all over, but it does. So many good fantasy light choices in those movies.
I will probably do more cinematography deep dives in the future, but also plan to focus on the filmmaking process more broadly as well. Thanks for watching!
Since around 2013 DPs have only illuminated scenes not lit them. Actors are less important than the background and when they are lit most of their faces go dark. And that comment is about day scenes. Night scenes like those shown here are so dark all one can hear is the dialogue. We used to call this radio. It is an insult to the actors and shows no trust in them to carry drama. In the old days night scenes were lit to give the IMPRESSION of darkness, not a literal missing of information. That means for a hundred years audiences understood that they were seeing night and easily accepted that. That was when lighting tried to emulate the great painting masters - just imagine if Vermeer or Rembrandt hung a canvas of black paint and called it art. I maintain that DPs have become lazy and their overuse of only a few soft sources is a reason that movies aren't as important as they used to be. I know that - for me - if I see a trailer where the cinematography was not worth doing well, I will reciprocate and not care about seeing that movie. Oh, by the way - this also applies to today's TV long form photography.
Hey Eben here, the DP of the TLOU episodes mentioned. I just wanted to say thank you for such a thorough and inspiring analysis, I'm genuinely touched to be referenced alongside so many of my heroes.
Wow, this genuinely just made my year! I really appreciated all of the coverage you posted on Twitter about your process in helping to develop the look of the show. It was particularly interesting to hear about your process of giving freedom to the actors - especially during the piano scene in episode three, which is absolutely stunning. I know you’ve talked about being inspired by Conrad Hall’s emotional connection to the characters in a scene, and I definitely can feel that in your work. I certainly share your admiration for his work, and I am really inspired by what you do. So grateful for this comment!
Even I also thanks to "From the frame" you did amazing job amazing analysis, amazing explanation, amazing research
Thank you so much ...❤️🎥
I sooooo feel the "hard light = moonlight" instinct. I caught myself shooting like that and realized it didn't make any sense, but it looks so right
Has to simply be one of the best, well researched and we'll presented video on this topic.
Wow, thank you for this comment!
@@fromtheframe Well, capturing night or recreating it in camera is certainly nice, but is what you say really what we are looking at?
For example 13:20 13:47 That is simple edge lit day for night in a horrible quality. Where is the helicopter in the original shot, where are the clouds coming from?
I could have done a more subtly defined shot in a higher quality in front of a cheap Chinese greenscreen with a canon t3i and Magic Lantern. I know YT compression is bad. But it isn't THAT bad. So where is the justification for 65 mil and raping an Alex 65 into infrared here?!! Clear sky! Even in infrared. Next to no definition in the actor and bloody sky replacement. If you shoot CGI, man up to CGI. And you don't tell people they caught "Night" on camera here. And that next shot is even worse.
One of the most memorable night scene was not in your doc. It is in a Spielberg film, i think it was ET, where a group of men is searching a forest at night with torches and dogs. Perhaps not natural, but in cinema, natural is crap. Suspended disbelief is here at work. For that moment I was in that forest. Avoid the uncanny valley, by not trying to be realistic in cinema. It never works. Cinema is not reality and it follows different rules.
Best UA-cam video I’ve seen in years.
That scene in The Last of Us jumped out to me and I immediately wanted to know how it was shot! But I never found out....
This video is amazing. I'm obsesed with night cinematography!
You choosed exactly the four night cinematography scenes that made me think a lot about night cinematography in the last year and you made a video about night cinematography using those four scenes as examples. Its conforting to know that i'm not alone. I think the technique that they invented for Nope is by far the best at recreating night as we see it, but the way they did it on The Northman gets very similar results and its seems to be a lot easier and cheaper.
Yeah, each of these films had pretty well documented BTS content, so that made it a little easier. It's interesting that Nope and The Northman were two films trying to recreate how our eyes actually perceive moonlight and yet each looks so different.
This is an amazing analysis. Thank you so much
amazing content guys, keep posting. thank you
First time seeing this channel, and as an aspiring (hopeful) future cinematographer, I am now obsessed!
This is one of the most comprehensive, well presented, and well edited videos on a topic that I've watched. And it's the first video for the channel! I'm subscribing and I hope your channel grows exponentially. It certainly deserves to with this production value.
Thank you so much!
This is a genius break down. Thank you for this and all the hard work that must have gone into it!
This is such a great video on lighting and cinematography in general. I'm glad I found this video on my feed. Looking forward to more 🙌
This video was so concise, consistently informative and eye catching. It made me late for work. Thank you for this! I already know I’m going to pretend I’m a cinematographer when my rod vision kicks in at night.
This is quality!!!
Thanks!
here before this channel pops off. super informative video and makes me feel better that professional, established cinematographers also get nervous for night shoots. great job !
Thanks for the support. It's definitely comforting to hear that night shoots scare both Deakins and Fraser as well.
This is one of the best videos I have ever seen on this topic. Keep doing what you’re are doing please!
That was great.
Nope is so good at being accurate, reminds me of night as your eyes get used to less and less light
this is an amazing breakdown and such a thorough examination with so many sources explored and explained. creating genuine discourse, this is probably one of the best video essay videos on motion pictures I've seen on UA-cam. please keep this content coming!
Great video. Absolutely brilliantly put-together. Will come back and watch again when I have time to slow down and take it all in.
Awesome, thank you!
Another great video! Very well researched. Portraying night in film is one of the most interesting aspects of the cinematographic process. I love that they all look different and everybody has a different perspective on what night looks like.
I went down the rabbit hole with my short film and ended up doing a day for night. It was one of the most formative experiences I've had in terms of lighting. I would recommend anyone interested in this to try for themselves.
One tip I have if anybody is interested in this is to try shooting below the native ISO of the camera. That gives you more dynamic range in the shadows, which allows you to have deep blacks that are noise free.
Thanks for the video!
Awesome video! I hope your channel grows. I'm attempting to get into filmmaking and lighting is one of the most difficult things to get a handle on, so videos like these are gold to me.
Thanks for the support! Yeah lighting is definitely hard to grasp. I highly recommend American Cinematographer Magazine or British Cinematographer Magazine for their in depth breakdowns and lighting plots for recent film releases. They also tend to post the articles on their website about a month after the magazine release, so that is also an option. Both of those sources have been invaluable to me as I continue to learn about the craft of cinematography.
I gotta say, this was incredible. I absolutely love how you dissected each scenarios process to reflecting what they visualized for Night. Well done!!!
Thank you!
Good start with your channel! Very very good video. Need more like this. Thanks a lot!!!
This was surprisingly excellent. Really learned a lot about a topic I thought I already knew quite well.
Glad you found it helpful!
1917 beautifully shot night on screen …. One of the best and very realistic visuals
Fantastic job putting this together! One of the best video essays I've watched in a long time.
This is quality work. Hope the channel blows up. And soon. Keep up the great work. Looking forward to more. Best wishes.
Much appreciated!
Really appreciated the explanation of how our eyes process light at night, will definitely take this into consideration when coloring night scenes!
This is the best cinematography at night video I've seen and I've seen a lot on youtube, but this perspective was much needed. Surprised by the low sub count wow, won't be long till you're sky high that's for sure haha, you gained another sub just now.
Thank you so much for the encouragement. It means a lot, especially since I'm just getting started.
I've watched this multiple times becauese there is so much to learn from this video. It's so well researched and put together. I'm shooting a night scene next weekend, and I'm deffo goijg to be using some of techniques in this video. It's comforting to hear that even Deakins gets nervous before night scenes lol
Thank you for doing this, it almost feels like cheating that we get this for free!!
Wow, that's such high praise. Good luck on your night shoot and thanks for checking this video out!
so wonderfully put together. thank you.
Fantastic video and breakdown. I watch A LOT of filmmaking videos on YT and you presented so much information and insight that is brand new to me.
Great variety, film examples, and depth, a must watch for the ‘no film school’ crowd 🎥💜
Ha! I majored in film and never really learned about this. I learned a lot from ASC magazine and British Cinematographer magazine. Certain subscriptions give you access to their entire back catalogues, which are an absolute wealth of information.
Cool! I’ve had an AC subscription for years, it’s invaluable🎞️
Great vid. Thank you for the attention to detail. Truly appreciated.
Thank you for watching!
Wow brilliantly put together video. The best on this topic I've ever seen. Thank you
Thank you!
Wish I'd have watched this BEFORE I shot out the night scenes for the feature I'm on. Thanks for giving me a bunch of concepts to think about!
What an amazing video!! Hope this channel grows.
Thank you!
Amazing video! This was incredibly well done.
I myself am a fan of the harder lights night for night look. I feel like clarity is super important. The night scenes in some movies are so dark and lacking in contrast that if there's even a tiny bit of ambient light in the room you're watching it you can't tell what's going on. While watching Dune 2021 I even unplugged the LED lights in the back of my tv because it made it hard to see what was going on. I think my favorite night for night is Lord of the Rings. Hard and blue back lights with a softer front light. It's not true to life but it feels perfect for what they're conveying. Nope is definitely my favorite day for night look.
Brilliant work! Thankyou for this great breakdown
This video is so well researched! I've gotta say that Nope looks the best.
That was beyond brilliant, instant Subs!
this is such a gem of a video
Excellent essay about this little known topic. Subscribed and keep up the great work!
Awesome, thank you!
What a great video! Definitely subscribing and hoping for more (I was secretly hoping the channel would already be full of videos :P)
Thank you for this awesome video. it must've taken a lot of work which is much much appreciated.
Definitely took some time trying to figure out how to explain concepts like scotopic, photopic, and the purkinje effect. Thanks for noticing the hard work!
My favourite night time scene in a movie is probably from Ryan's Daughter. There's quite a few night time scenes, but the one where all the villagers are rescuing cargo from the storm stricken sea is incredible. A scene that I will never forget.
I haven't seen Ryan's Daughter, but I'll have to watch it now. Thanks for the recommendation. Freddie Young is definitely a good pick!
great video!
Thank you!
What a magical channel!
Thanks for watching!
excellent video
Incredible breakdown, thank you
Wow, thanks to UA-cam for recommending this channel. What a discovery and what a video, holy shit this was great! Superb.
Great Video, perfect timing. I have been planning to practice my Night Exterior lighting.
Glad you found it helpful.
amazing i am looking for more videos on cinematography.
My all-time favorite is still The Lord of the Rings-Peter Jackson nailed the fantasy of nighttime blue tinting while still showing full action so that detail wasn’t lost. It shouldn’t look like it works, high fill lights lighting up the actors all over, but it does. So many good fantasy light choices in those movies.
You're definitely going to blow up, very informative!
Appreciate the support.
thank u sooo much for this video i going to watch this again soo much to learn
Thank you! Glad you found it helpful.
superb thz for making this. we r learning so much from it. ❤
My pleasure 😊
Amazing video, please do more cinematography deep dives like this
I will probably do more cinematography deep dives in the future, but also plan to focus on the filmmaking process more broadly as well. Thanks for watching!
Great video!
great video. reminded me of the channel every frame a painting. ☺️
Great video. Well done
I seldom comment, but I had to commend you on this video.
Great job on this video!
Thank you!
Really good and interesting aproach!
Thanks!
I'm loving this 😍 🙌 ❤
Instantly subscribed
Great video! This is very educational. Hope you can do a video on mirror shots one day.
Thanks for the support!
great video 👌
Amazing content, I really hope you grow on UA-cam.
I appreciate that!
Keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do!
interesting 👌🏻
great video! really enjoyed it:)
Glad you liked it!
Very nice video :)
See it's not just us, the weather here is weird which is why we talk about it so much 😂
such a good video
Thanks!
LOTR: The Two Towers. The battle of Helm's Deep is imo the standard of night battle scenes.
Love your videos. How did you get the audio graphics for the voice?
Lol. I make a living as a DOP. You’ve totally nailed it. Welcome to my hell. 😂
Subscribed!
Thanks!
Subbed! Now figure out the white noise on your audio. If you need a mic I'm sure everyone will pitch in so you can buy one
Can you guys do an episode that describes "The one Shot" technique used in films. Specifically the scene in the show True Detective episode 4.
This was awesome and super-insightful, just reduce vocal fry if its on purpose. If not, I'm sorry for complaining.
the vocal fry is so excruciating
Sorry if that ruined the video for you 😞
Since around 2013 DPs have only illuminated scenes not lit them. Actors are less important than the background and when they are lit most of their faces go dark. And that comment is about day scenes. Night scenes like those shown here are so dark all one can hear is the dialogue. We used to call this radio. It is an insult to the actors and shows no trust in them to carry drama.
In the old days night scenes were lit to give the IMPRESSION of darkness, not a literal missing of information. That means for a hundred years audiences understood that they were seeing night and easily accepted that. That was when lighting tried to emulate the great painting masters - just imagine if Vermeer or Rembrandt hung a canvas of black paint and called it art.
I maintain that DPs have become lazy and their overuse of only a few soft sources is a reason that movies aren't as important as they used to be. I know that - for me - if I see a trailer where the cinematography was not worth doing well, I will reciprocate and not care about seeing that movie.
Oh, by the way - this also applies to today's TV long form photography.
Only 750 subs?
Why wouldn't u talk about Blade Runner 2049? Literally the pinnacle of night life and Deakins' first Oscar win......
The laas tofus
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Won’t be watching the last of us because of its lgbt propaganda.
great video!
Thanks!