For the moment right now, the response speed, Sanwa M17 is the fastest, Futaba 10px the second, and the third will be Flysky Noble Pro and Radiomaster MT12. But do remember, Sanwa, Futaba and Flysky have special decode encode method which will boost us the speed with SR/SSR/iBus2, which MT12 don't have. Flysky Noble Pro have 2ch mode, cut down the packet size and speed, which MT12 don't have. MT12 response is fast but still need to improve.
@@RCEVOLUTION Edge TX with ELRS will do F1000 mode over the air and 400hz pwm output on the receiver. This is already somewhere in the sub 4ms range between the control input and a change in pwm output at the receiver. Would the highest performing racer notice the difference between 1, 2, 3, or 4ms latency? I'm not sure. Though I do think it would be very cool if servos and receivers and surface ESCs that can talk Dshot like racequad ESCs come out at some point. That would be 1ms round trip latency finally realized. Dshot lets the flight controller in racequads tell the ESC what to do at just ridiculous speeds. Like under 20uS depending on what hardware being used.
AND it’ll take a module. AND it has switch expansion things. But even with all that, we still can’t figure out how to charge the radio and transfer data with just a single USB port… 🙄
@@swissfreek with this transmitter having to last as long as you let it last, yes, the ports WILL wear out, just like ANYTHING you use with frequency will wear out.
@@power21100 right but what are you actually saying? If your charge port wears out you will continue to use the radio by charging the battery externally and using the data port when needed? Or will you just replace the charge port? And if that’s the case what does it matter that it’s separate? And I know you say it *will* wear out, and I’ve heard of people having issues with USB-C ports, but I have never broken a single one ever, not on RC gear (radio, VTX, FC, etc.) or on any other personal items (I’m a Mac user so I’ve been almost exclusively USB-C for almost ten years). USB micro broke all the time, though, so I’m happy that’s finally pretty much gone from everything. I still argue that from a design perspective, having separate ports makes absolutely no sense. Your phone doesn’t do it. Your computer (probably) doesn’t do it. Your Bluetooth speaker doesn’t do it. You get my point. Even from a cost perspective it makes no sense. It would be cheaper for them to only put in one port. So why then? Laziness? I know my passion on this is irrational but as an engineer I just can’t figure out why they would do it.
Id recomend getting the 4 in 1 version since you probably already have ground vehichles that can use it, and an elrs nano module. The the elrs version is gimped at 250mw, while the module is up to 1 watt and the bluetooth and wifi are better. Plus the fan to keep things cool.
lol... 5:21 ... Telemetry power is *only* 10W... don't do that to me Lee! 🤣🤣 I know you misplaced a m there somewhere... but that would make it the highest telemetry power RX for ELRS to date 😆😆 Great video Lee... I hope this makes a lot of people excited as it has been a long time coming, and really is a great radio, with a lot of potential.
This is Great! It would be awesome if you could do some setup videos for things like ising this with tracked vehicles, or ground vehicles that have 2 steering axles, so need some different channel mixing modes tied to a switch.
I'm so exited for this radio, finally a radio you can program however you want, I've been okay with my Noble but this is what I've needed for years, I used to gave my FlySky Taranis for some of my crawlers but having a stick radio while driving cars feel like you're back to toy grade rc's again ;)
Here are the answers to the common questions below - 1) Will it bind to other ExpressLRS receivers? Yes any ExpressLRS RX is compatible. Plus, it'll support binding to multiple receivers for huge PWM channels in the model. See ua-cam.com/video/3q5KTM7IGI0/v-deo.html 2) What is the latency? F1000mode and 400hz PWM output = ~1.5ms F1000mode and 333hz PWM output = ~2.0ms 3) Can it be setup for tracked vehicles? Yes it can, all of the same options are in EdgeTX. ua-cam.com/video/YewheGdSqPU/v-deo.html shows how 4) Can it be setup to connect to a Head Tracker or trainer radio? Yes it has a trainer port that functions the same as other radios. Happy flying!
It's about time. Was no problem to set up cars on my Taranis but found it was messing up my muscle memory for flying. This obsoletes every ground radio made in the world.
This may push me over the edge to get a truck or crawler and set it up for FPV. I would be curious what the range is like. It has to be further than Spektrum and Traxxas radios I would think.
I want to know if this (with the 4-in-1 module) will work with the Losi Promoto mx 1/4-scale motorcycle and, if so, how you would need to program it for that RC motorcycle. It would also be interesting to see if this motor cycle will work as well with a ELRS receiver but I doubt it as the receiver provides some stabilization functionality.
I am very excited by this. Will be able to put my cars on inav now. Would be interested to see what the latency is. Top end car radios can have very low end to end latency numbers. From what I understand the pwm conversion adds a lot of latency into the loop. Also try setting it up on a wing! you only need 2 channels most of the time.
I have the Spektrum DX5 Rugged and it's a great radio though this making me think of ditching this system and going for the new Radio Master. The price point is great recievers are cheap and love it also has a case and not an extra cost.
What would really interest me is a latency and range comparison. The fact you can use the receivers with an internal or external antenna is golden! I am currently on a Sanwa MTS and the receivers with internal antennas are not reliable with RCs that have lots of metal around them, like a Baja 5B Flux or a Hyper VS Nitro. You bought the EXPRESSLRS version, right? Can you add a module to that one that supports Sanwa FH4?
Hi Lee, Great video and review of the RadioMaster X12. I still have a few rc cars and crawlers, I would have to check, but I might be able to setup directional steering for my 4wheel steering. Thanks again for the video and information
Yep, nothing different about the mixing available in this EdgeTX radio versus all of the others on the market. If you can do it in a TX16s, you can do it in this (if you have the controls!)
Looks great, any chance of an ultimate range test if you have a ground vehicle? I have an fpv rc car and use Radiolink, but the option of using Express LRS is tempting but would be good to know what the range would be like. Great video thanks Lee. 🙏
Nice video. However there are already ground transmitter which are easy to programm. Besides how about the speed of the radio and the speed of data transmission to the receiver? In car/ground usage (especially competion) speed is essential. So, is the protocol used on radio master with EdgeTX fast enough ? Thank you for your help
possibly a stupid question but can I set up gyro on my flysky receivers? I have 14 flysky receivers with gyro and I would hate to replace them. I've only owned cars for 30yrs so maybe this is a simple question for the plane and quad guys. thanks so much
Question: I understand that If I opt for the MT12 with built-in ELRS, I can purchase a 4-in-1 module separately and connect it to the radio. However, as I haven't come across an ELRS module for sale, am I correct in assuming that acquiring an MT12 with built-in 4-in-1 and subsequently adding an ELRS module is not feasible? Thanks.
Would be very interested to see what the latency is like compared to other more established ground radio brands. Looks super interesting though, and if the latency is good, I will absolutely be buying one!
It got 16ch already. While really not recommended to go back 4in1. PWM ELRS is more better. If you need more channel, you can use the ER8, binding 2 at the same time, you can extend to 16ch. This can be done at TX16/Zorro/Pocket a while, can do the same at MT12.
You can use the module bay on the controller for your Ghost, then you need to decide between ExpressLRS or 4in1. Most got for 4in1 if they have lots of legacy receivers they want to connect to. If not, then ELRS is the better bet
Regarding the multi-protocol version, protocol support can be hit or miss, so I would not purchase this expecting it to work with everything ready to run you have. That being said, if the community participates (and maybe RadioMaster can contribute to the effort?), we can get more protocols supported. Currently the RadioLink FHSS v1 protocol RX works for me, and I am having issues with an SCX 24 C10 and Kyosho FHSS Mini-Z. So even when it's listed as supported, there may be changes in more recent versions or v1 vs v2 electronics with only one of the two supported.
Yup have been reporting on github. I was actually able to resolve by updating Boxer internal 4in1 to the latest .33 firmware release, but my Zorro with .7 also worked. So I may have somehow had a partially messed up flash, or it may have been a bug in .20 release and or .14. In any case, things are looking a lot better now, regarding what is reported as supported actually working.
For Racing it is necessary to change Throttle, Brake and steering Dualrates quickly with Trimbuttons. I didnt get it working with my TX16S onlay with switches, not with trim buttons. Is it possible with the MT12 to change Dualrates with the trimbuttons?
@@Painless360 can you make a video and show how to change dualrates with the trim buttons for example on the TX16s? I spoke to many people and nobody figured it out how to do it with trim buttons only with switches it worked in our cases.
It’ll depend on which radio mode you use, but assuming they haven’t massively messed up the ELRS version should be able to get down around 4ms in F1000 mode.
Do you know if fcc or lbt versions make a difference to which receivers it binds to? Or is it just the output power, I need this tx to bind to the flysky fsgr3e, a gent in the states has tried and it does but he has the fcc version and I feel I should buy the lbt version after your advise
Hello me I ask if it is normal about radiomaster mt12 when the receiver battery inside RC buggy is drop about 40% the Rx signal will drop maximum 4 bars drops to 2bars and the calibration of steering will delay? I'm using radio master mt12 4in1
I have the Flysky NB4 and always hoped that it will also support the older protocols at some point, but it probably never will, since Flysky has no interest in doing that. The firmware is not bad, but certainly no EdgeTX. Also the RXs are pretty expensive. I therefore still use some older GT3C with the cheap Flysky RXs with a custom firmware. But the build quality isn't great and it's a bit complicated to set up. This radio could be ideal as a replacement (4in1 variant) to use with the simple transmitters, which are completely fine for most vehicles and only cost a few bucks. I hope this will also inspire others to create similar products in the future.
4.7km is the max for 250mW, although ground based vehicles can bump into issues with obstructions and other issues reducing usable range. For most (who don't want to do exploring WAYYYYY BLOS, it should be plenty). Plus, it has a module bay if you want to use something more exotic..
@@Painless360 no way this is correct. Oscars blog notes ELRS can hit 30+km at only 100mw with 250hz LoRa. Where are you getting 4.7km? That isn't even as far as the DJI hard limit and tons of people have but that. Though you are correct, surface reflections and being low to the ground complicate things. But to say ELRS is limited to < 5km at 250watts is false
Before watching this... 2/3rds of the world steers with their left hand and operates accessories with their right.🙂😞 Oh Well. Please tell them some would like two full sized joysticks on a transmitter tray with a yoke/spreader to keep the straps outside your arms. Between the sticks a tablet sized hooded video display above a radio or keyboard or wheel or yoke whatever the user wants. Everything should be configurable on or off the tray for a multi-operator device. (pilot/gunner) Lots of accessories to sell. Oh buy the folding chair, with pedals, and sit in the field. Lots of videos to make about how cool it is.
Enormous hole in the market they just filled. 16 channels and unlimited programmability for the scale crawler guys to get super dorky with all their lights and winches yadda yadda yadda. ELRS F1000 and 400hz servo pwm for the carpet buggy guys. MPM for the guys that have a bunch of different receivers and vehicles they need to bind to. Ability to run Crossfire or 900Mhz ELRS for people that want to long range FPV a surface vehicle. All for a radio and receivers that are a fraction the price of all the big names. Wins all around for the consumer. Another death knell for the proprietary software ecosystems.... They are going to make less money in the short term but if they want to stay in the radio business long-term Horizon and the other big names would do well to start making EdgeTX and ELRS equipment. There is still a market for radios that have a higher degree of fit and finish than Radiomaster but they must run EdgeTX and have a module bay to stay relevant imo. I'm picking up 2wd carpet buggy racing this season and am currently set up with my Boxer and ELRS since it's what I had. Now I have to juggle the idea of picking up one of these for a pistol grip style. Decisions decisions.... Then again the stick radio really doesn't seem to be slowing me down so I'll probably stick with that.
but daaamn that is expensive. I remember when i was buying my first programmable radio, entry lvl, Turnigy 9X. Also with 8ch receiver. At that time it was like 50€.
It's not amazing, but the air guys are getting 20+ km out of 100mW modules. LoRa is impressive stuff. So unless you're trying to give the Black Sea a few more coral reefs it's probably more than sufficient ;)
@@gregdavidd"Captain Drone" did a penetration test and ran it into the woods far enough for a DJI video signal to start artifacting without any control link degredation. He claimed that was way better than a Traxxis could manage so that seems promising.
This is the end of Futaba Sanwa and Spektrum. ELRS with Edge TX for cars is in the house. Finally someone did it.
well, i mean... try google Taranis Pistola: A pistol grip RC controller with a Taranis QX7 inside!
So will the 4in 1 do spektrum and sanwa?
I will never go back to Futaba after my TX16S. This will replace my Flysky ground radio from here forward.
For the moment right now, the response speed, Sanwa M17 is the fastest, Futaba 10px the second, and the third will be Flysky Noble Pro and Radiomaster MT12.
But do remember, Sanwa, Futaba and Flysky have special decode encode method which will boost us the speed with SR/SSR/iBus2, which MT12 don't have. Flysky Noble Pro have 2ch mode, cut down the packet size and speed, which MT12 don't have.
MT12 response is fast but still need to improve.
@@RCEVOLUTION Edge TX with ELRS will do F1000 mode over the air and 400hz pwm output on the receiver. This is already somewhere in the sub 4ms range between the control input and a change in pwm output at the receiver. Would the highest performing racer notice the difference between 1, 2, 3, or 4ms latency? I'm not sure.
Though I do think it would be very cool if servos and receivers and surface ESCs that can talk Dshot like racequad ESCs come out at some point. That would be 1ms round trip latency finally realized. Dshot lets the flight controller in racequads tell the ESC what to do at just ridiculous speeds. Like under 20uS depending on what hardware being used.
I can’t believe it took this long for someone to make a ground radio that was based on EdgeTX etc. But now it’s here.
AND it’ll take a module. AND it has switch expansion things. But even with all that, we still can’t figure out how to charge the radio and transfer data with just a single USB port… 🙄
@@swissfreek id rather have the data port and charge port separate, why? id rather have the charge port break first than the data port.
@@power21100 what because it gets used more? I’ve never had any of those ports break on me.
@@swissfreek with this transmitter having to last as long as you let it last, yes, the ports WILL wear out, just like ANYTHING you use with frequency will wear out.
@@power21100 right but what are you actually saying? If your charge port wears out you will continue to use the radio by charging the battery externally and using the data port when needed? Or will you just replace the charge port? And if that’s the case what does it matter that it’s separate?
And I know you say it *will* wear out, and I’ve heard of people having issues with USB-C ports, but I have never broken a single one ever, not on RC gear (radio, VTX, FC, etc.) or on any other personal items (I’m a Mac user so I’ve been almost exclusively USB-C for almost ten years). USB micro broke all the time, though, so I’m happy that’s finally pretty much gone from everything.
I still argue that from a design perspective, having separate ports makes absolutely no sense. Your phone doesn’t do it. Your computer (probably) doesn’t do it. Your Bluetooth speaker doesn’t do it. You get my point. Even from a cost perspective it makes no sense. It would be cheaper for them to only put in one port. So why then? Laziness? I know my passion on this is irrational but as an engineer I just can’t figure out why they would do it.
And goodness, it's $129. A decent ground radio from Spektrum is still three or four times that much. Crazy.
Just last night I was looking at a DIY 3D printed Zorro conversion because there isn’t a pistol ELRS. This is perfect.
With the DSC trainer port you can use it with a head tracker! Very interested in this.
Excellent! I've been waiting for this. Hopefully RadioMaster will follow up with a premium version like they have with so many of their other radios.
It reminds me of the phones with giant buttons for people that can't see very well...
really cool! ground vehicles always feel a bit sidelined but they're really fun!
Amazing review, Lee! Thanks a lot! 😃
FINALLY a radio like that in the market! I'm definitely going to get one!!!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Id recomend getting the 4 in 1 version since you probably already have ground vehichles that can use it, and an elrs nano module.
The the elrs version is gimped at 250mw, while the module is up to 1 watt and the bluetooth and wifi are better. Plus the fan to keep things cool.
lol... 5:21 ... Telemetry power is *only* 10W... don't do that to me Lee! 🤣🤣 I know you misplaced a m there somewhere... but that would make it the highest telemetry power RX for ELRS to date 😆😆
Great video Lee... I hope this makes a lot of people excited as it has been a long time coming, and really is a great radio, with a lot of potential.
10mw per the docs
This is Great! It would be awesome if you could do some setup videos for things like ising this with tracked vehicles, or ground vehicles that have 2 steering axles, so need some different channel mixing modes tied to a switch.
Very do-able with EdgeTX. ua-cam.com/video/YewheGdSqPU/v-deo.html shows how. Same on this radio.
I'm so exited for this radio, finally a radio you can program however you want, I've been okay with my Noble but this is what I've needed for years, I used to gave my FlySky Taranis for some of my crawlers but having a stick radio while driving cars feel like you're back to toy grade rc's again ;)
Can't wait to see the video in this series!
I’m all forward to a video that shows how to setup a car with EdgeTX
Love the concept! I might grab a 4in1 and use it for spektrum and crossfire. Would love to see some more content about it, thanks!
This is what we needed for long time. Changes are coming to cars.
Cool, hope the they look to 1/28 scale with nano ELRS RX with JST conector and hope that they gonna have lap sensor too.
FINALLY!!! I waited so long for an edgeTX surface radio. Hopefully it will be successful that there will be more options in the future. #MT12MAX 😋
radio looks so nice makes me want a car 😁
Here are the answers to the common questions below -
1) Will it bind to other ExpressLRS receivers?
Yes any ExpressLRS RX is compatible. Plus, it'll support binding to multiple receivers for huge PWM channels in the model. See ua-cam.com/video/3q5KTM7IGI0/v-deo.html
2) What is the latency?
F1000mode and 400hz PWM output = ~1.5ms
F1000mode and 333hz PWM output = ~2.0ms
3) Can it be setup for tracked vehicles?
Yes it can, all of the same options are in EdgeTX. ua-cam.com/video/YewheGdSqPU/v-deo.html shows how
4) Can it be setup to connect to a Head Tracker or trainer radio?
Yes it has a trainer port that functions the same as other radios.
Happy flying!
The real situation of lantency at F1000 with 400hz is 4ms.
But it is already really fast.
Is there a gyro based reciever?
@@mrthingdudeman Coming soon.
Really happy to see it, but also frustrated given I just built one from the internals of a radiomaster zorro lol
Ah man, head tracking would be cool to get set up with this. Also long range for rovers!
That is my plan for this radio. My FPV rock crawler will be much easier to drive without a TX16 hanging from my neck for the head tracker.
It's about time. Was no problem to set up cars on my Taranis but found it was messing up my muscle memory for flying. This obsoletes every ground radio made in the world.
Oh boy. Now, futaba, spektrum and sanwa needs to step it up! 😆
This may push me over the edge to get a truck or crawler and set it up for FPV. I would be curious what the range is like. It has to be further than Spektrum and Traxxas radios I would think.
I want to know if this (with the 4-in-1 module) will work with the Losi Promoto mx 1/4-scale motorcycle and, if so, how you would need to program it for that RC motorcycle. It would also be interesting to see if this motor cycle will work as well with a ELRS receiver but I doubt it as the receiver provides some stabilization functionality.
I am very excited by this. Will be able to put my cars on inav now. Would be interested to see what the latency is. Top end car radios can have very low end to end latency numbers. From what I understand the pwm conversion adds a lot of latency into the loop.
Also try setting it up on a wing! you only need 2 channels most of the time.
Looks like an awesome radio for sure. I'd love to see the receiver have ppm output for acessories. Do I see a headtracker input?
Yep, DSM is there for an aux controller or HT unit..
I would love to try using one for flying planes.. sounds crazy.. but I would like to try it.😂
I like the concept but idk about the button positions
I have the Spektrum DX5 Rugged and it's a great radio though this making me think of ditching this system and going for the new Radio Master. The price point is great recievers are cheap and love it also has a case and not an extra cost.
What would really interest me is a latency and range comparison. The fact you can use the receivers with an internal or external antenna is golden! I am currently on a Sanwa MTS and the receivers with internal antennas are not reliable with RCs that have lots of metal around them, like a Baja 5B Flux or a Hyper VS Nitro.
You bought the EXPRESSLRS version, right? Can you add a module to that one that supports Sanwa FH4?
Comparison? ELRS will make all other protocols (FASST) and brands like Futaba, etc look like complete amateurs! 🤣
Rejoice!!!
Hi Lee, Great video and review of the RadioMaster X12. I still have a few rc cars and crawlers, I would have to check, but I might be able to setup directional steering for my 4wheel steering. Thanks again for the video and information
Yep, nothing different about the mixing available in this EdgeTX radio versus all of the others on the market. If you can do it in a TX16s, you can do it in this (if you have the controls!)
I need this for my inav rover/proline monster.
Looks great, any chance of an ultimate range test if you have a ground vehicle?
I have an fpv rc car and use Radiolink, but the option of using Express LRS is tempting but would be good to know what the range would be like. Great video thanks Lee. 🙏
More testing needed but air pilots get over 4.7km on 250mW...
@@Painless360 Thanks Lee 🙂
I did 7km on 250mw. Can provide the link
Seems to be a really great radio! I'd very much like to see a serious range test with a RC car - who loses signal first, ELRS or DJI O3?
I'm sure lots of channels will be doing just that with the radio... Stay tuned
Nice video. However there are already ground transmitter which are easy to programm. Besides how about the speed of the radio and the speed of data transmission to the receiver? In car/ground usage (especially competion) speed is essential. So, is the protocol used on radio master with EdgeTX fast enough ? Thank you for your help
EdgeTX isn't super easy to program but more powerful than pretty much any radio operating system in use today.. Happy flying!
ELRS was developed and adopted by quadcopter racers, so I don't imagine latency/speed will be a problem.
Could you talk about various ways to update firmware for transmitter and receivers. Also what to do if you have problems?
I've done that already, check out the ExpressLRS playlist... Best of luck
Are the 4 trim buttons around the wheel Assignable to mixes/channels,
Or are they locked to their trim functions only?
ua-cam.com/video/ZnHjA20dMrU/v-deo.html
How far roughly in terms of degrees do the potentiometer switches on either side of the steering wheel rotate from the center detent?
150 degrees in both directions (so about 300 degrees form min to max)
I can’t seem to find published range for the 4-1 or elrs unit. Do you have those specs? Sorry if I missed them in the video.
Not for ground vehicles. I'm sure that many will put that to the test and publish the results... Happy flying
Finally…
possibly a stupid question but can I set up gyro on my flysky receivers? I have 14 flysky receivers with gyro and I would hate to replace them. I've only owned cars for 30yrs so maybe this is a simple question for the plane and quad guys. thanks so much
I'd expect you can, if you know what the channel order needs to be to control the gyro.. Best of luck!
Question: I understand that If I opt for the MT12 with built-in ELRS, I can purchase a 4-in-1 module separately and connect it to the radio. However, as I haven't come across an ELRS module for sale, am I correct in assuming that acquiring an MT12 with built-in 4-in-1 and subsequently adding an ELRS module is not feasible? Thanks.
You can do it either way. There is a bay on the radio that allows you to add a module to supplement the internal radio system.
@@Painless360 Roger that. I ordered the 4 in 1 version for now. Thanks.
Would be very interested to see what the latency is like compared to other more established ground radio brands. Looks super interesting though, and if the latency is good, I will absolutely be buying one!
ExpressLRS was developed for Drone racing, so I wouldn't be too bothered around that as those guys are vicious about added latency,...
Compare? ELRS will make all other protocols (FASST) and brands like Futaba, etc look like complete amateurs! 🤣
The receivers need more channels to work for Crawlers. I wonder if the 4 in 1 can pair with Flysky and Radiolink receivers?
The 4in1 is a full 4 chip MPM so should do. ua-cam.com/video/DfKyx0yTbXU/v-deo.html shows you how to check
It got 16ch already.
While really not recommended to go back 4in1. PWM ELRS is more better.
If you need more channel, you can use the ER8, binding 2 at the same time, you can extend to 16ch. This can be done at TX16/Zorro/Pocket a while, can do the same at MT12.
Will the ELRS version bind to NON-PWM Receives like the EP1 or EP2?
Yep, it's standard ELRS
Can you get the 4in1 module as well as ELRS? I run Ghost on my Air Craft would you recommend ELRS or the 4in1? Thank you
You can use the module bay on the controller for your Ghost, then you need to decide between ExpressLRS or 4in1. Most got for 4in1 if they have lots of legacy receivers they want to connect to. If not, then ELRS is the better bet
@@Painless360 thanks for the info elrs it is 👍🏻
Regarding the multi-protocol version, protocol support can be hit or miss, so I would not purchase this expecting it to work with everything ready to run you have. That being said, if the community participates (and maybe RadioMaster can contribute to the effort?), we can get more protocols supported. Currently the RadioLink FHSS v1 protocol RX works for me, and I am having issues with an SCX 24 C10 and Kyosho FHSS Mini-Z. So even when it's listed as supported, there may be changes in more recent versions or v1 vs v2 electronics with only one of the two supported.
Report issues to the MPM project so they know that those protocols need attention... Best of luck
Yup have been reporting on github. I was actually able to resolve by updating Boxer internal 4in1 to the latest .33 firmware release, but my Zorro with .7 also worked. So I may have somehow had a partially messed up flash, or it may have been a bug in .20 release and or .14. In any case, things are looking a lot better now, regarding what is reported as supported actually working.
For Racing it is necessary to change Throttle, Brake and steering Dualrates quickly with Trimbuttons.
I didnt get it working with my TX16S onlay with switches, not with trim buttons.
Is it possible with the MT12 to change Dualrates with the trimbuttons?
Yes, and on the TX16s too... Happy flying
@@Painless360 can you make a video and show how to change dualrates with the trim buttons for example on the TX16s? I spoke to many people and nobody figured it out how to do it with trim buttons only with switches it worked in our cases.
Done, it'll be out in December. Stay tuned! :D
@@Painless360 Thanks very much!
Do we know what the latency numbers are? That seems to be what keeps Futaba/Sanwa at the top for surface racing.
It’ll depend on which radio mode you use, but assuming they haven’t massively messed up the ELRS version should be able to get down around 4ms in F1000 mode.
@@techstuff6829 yeah makes sense. May just need to do this and get ELRS.
See pinned comment.
Hi, I live in the UK, should I get the fcc version or lbt version? its for all my ground based cars
LBT is what most use here in the UK ;)
Many thanks
Do you know if fcc or lbt versions make a difference to which receivers it binds to? Or is it just the output power, I need this tx to bind to the flysky fsgr3e, a gent in the states has tried and it does but he has the fcc version and I feel I should buy the lbt version after your advise
does this do dual esc for MOA crawler use?
It can do... Happy flying
Looks interesting but how can it use more channels it has a 3 channel receiver?
It'll work with any compatible receiver, plus you can bind multiple recievers..
ELRS supports up to 16 channels, you can get other receivers.
See pinned comment.
Hello me I ask if it is normal about radiomaster mt12 when the receiver battery inside RC buggy is drop about 40% the Rx signal will drop maximum 4 bars drops to 2bars and the calibration of steering will delay? I'm using radio master mt12 4in1
I've not seen that here
... Best of luck
Hopefully someone comes out with a gyro receiver for this transmitter.
Can you bind a Kyosho KR-331 receiver with this radio. It will help my purchase
Looks like it. ua-cam.com/video/DfKyx0yTbXU/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
I have the Flysky NB4 and always hoped that it will also support the older protocols at some point, but it probably never will, since Flysky has no interest in doing that. The firmware is not bad, but certainly no EdgeTX. Also the RXs are pretty expensive.
I therefore still use some older GT3C with the cheap Flysky RXs with a custom firmware. But the build quality isn't great and it's a bit complicated to set up.
This radio could be ideal as a replacement (4in1 variant) to use with the simple transmitters, which are completely fine for most vehicles and only cost a few bucks.
I hope this will also inspire others to create similar products in the future.
Range would be great 👍🏼
250mw at something like 50hz should go literal miles with nothing but air in-between.
4.7km is the max for 250mW, although ground based vehicles can bump into issues with obstructions and other issues reducing usable range. For most (who don't want to do exploring WAYYYYY BLOS, it should be plenty). Plus, it has a module bay if you want to use something more exotic..
@@Painless360 no way this is correct. Oscars blog notes ELRS can hit 30+km at only 100mw with 250hz LoRa. Where are you getting 4.7km? That isn't even as far as the DJI hard limit and tons of people have but that.
Though you are correct, surface reflections and being low to the ground complicate things.
But to say ELRS is limited to < 5km at 250watts is false
@@Painless360 I’ll be using it on my Traxxas Maxx and my Dji Ocusync Air System.
Hope they work well together.
Thanks to all 👍
I would love to see this radio set up with Tamiya MFC-01. This could be a game changer.
TX16S, zorro can use MFC01/03. You just need to do some setting and it can be use for MFC also.
I am aware of using my TX16 but it doesn't have a steering wheel. I like to use pistol radios for ground vehicles. Hence "Game changer" @@RCEVOLUTION
@@dirt5547 MT12 share the same system as TX16, so TX16 can, of course MT12 can.
DSMR support?
ua-cam.com/video/Nii4ElEbg6s/v-deo.html
Before watching this... 2/3rds of the world steers with their left hand and operates accessories with their right.🙂😞 Oh Well.
Please tell them some would like two full sized joysticks on a transmitter tray with a yoke/spreader to keep the straps outside your arms. Between the sticks a tablet sized hooded video display above a radio or keyboard or wheel or yoke whatever the user wants. Everything should be configurable on or off the tray for a multi-operator device. (pilot/gunner) Lots of accessories to sell. Oh buy the folding chair, with pedals, and sit in the field. Lots of videos to make about how cool it is.
can this fly a wing ??
I guess so.... Happy flying
im on it nice one keep up the vids
@@Painless360
Enormous hole in the market they just filled. 16 channels and unlimited programmability for the scale crawler guys to get super dorky with all their lights and winches yadda yadda yadda. ELRS F1000 and 400hz servo pwm for the carpet buggy guys. MPM for the guys that have a bunch of different receivers and vehicles they need to bind to. Ability to run Crossfire or 900Mhz ELRS for people that want to long range FPV a surface vehicle. All for a radio and receivers that are a fraction the price of all the big names. Wins all around for the consumer. Another death knell for the proprietary software ecosystems.... They are going to make less money in the short term but if they want to stay in the radio business long-term Horizon and the other big names would do well to start making EdgeTX and ELRS equipment. There is still a market for radios that have a higher degree of fit and finish than Radiomaster but they must run EdgeTX and have a module bay to stay relevant imo.
I'm picking up 2wd carpet buggy racing this season and am currently set up with my Boxer and ELRS since it's what I had. Now I have to juggle the idea of picking up one of these for a pistol grip style. Decisions decisions.... Then again the stick radio really doesn't seem to be slowing me down so I'll probably stick with that.
but daaamn that is expensive.
I remember when i was buying my first programmable radio, entry lvl, Turnigy 9X. Also with 8ch receiver. At that time it was like 50€.
Looked at any of the ground radios from vendors like Spektrum recently?
What?! This is like what they did with air radios. In a world where a decent radio from Futaba or Spektrum is $400+, this is $129, *with* a receiver.
Lmao. Sanwa charges $600 for a worse radio and $120 for the Rx's .
250mw is kinda sucky.
There is the module bay so you can run something more exotic.. Happy driving! :D
It's not amazing, but the air guys are getting 20+ km out of 100mW modules. LoRa is impressive stuff.
So unless you're trying to give the Black Sea a few more coral reefs it's probably more than sufficient ;)
@@ToastyMozart Its all about penetration. Nothing to do with range.
@@gregdavidd"Captain Drone" did a penetration test and ran it into the woods far enough for a DJI video signal to start artifacting without any control link degredation. He claimed that was way better than a Traxxis could manage so that seems promising.