Let’s pump the brakes on the pick 12 for Ollie Lord idea! He’s a pick #49 from a few years ago who has played one legitimately good game. Pick 12 is in the ballpark of what Geelong will end up paying for Bailey Smith. He might be a promising prospect, but you can’t give up a pick like that for someone who hasn’t shown they can be a consistent performer yet
Hey Lukey we bring in Perryman and get pick 12 for Nobes and possibly bring in Houston OMG we have done well and then pick up a diamond in th rough in the draft because it does bat deep watch out and id LOVE it if we could somehow bring in Lord. Fingers Crossed we get that pick 12 for Nobes 🤞🤞🤞
Key position players should be top priority. Lack of key forward and key defender depth. Geelong have a better recruiting/scouting department than us tbh.
Must be heartbreaking for the recruiters who attend games looking at talent that they know they wont have the draft capital to select the gun players. Hoping Allan , Jiath , Di Mattia, Ryan, Smit and Long take a big step up next year .
Ive been saying for 20 years picks are no good. Get a ready made player, not spend 3-4 years developing a player who also takes up a spot on the list. That said unless you have a top 5 pick and can get a harley reid.
anyone who thinks we will get pick 12 for Noble is dreaming (he is good but not that good), we will most likely get 20, Also Thomas McGuane is predicated to go top 5 (maybe even top 3). As for topping up with players over drafting is fraught with danger, yes Geelong has done it successfully (but is starting to look at more draft players now), Hawthorn, West Coast, North Melbourne and St Kilda all tried it and looked what happened to them, trading away 1st round picks especially on good draft years i think is a bad move unless you are getting superstar players not players that are mediocre to good (and yes i am talking about Schultz so not worth a first and second round pick, maybe 2 second round picks at best), First round picks should only be traded if you are getting a Jeremy Cameron type of star (a player that you can build a team around) or future first if you have father/sons coming through and you are not in a rebuilding phase.
Luke, what are your thoughts on this. Ollie lord to collingwood for pick 33, pick up Perryman, noble to gold Coast for pick 12, and, very unlikely, use pick 12 and a future first for smithy
I really want one of the Whitlock brothers tho it be so handy especially Tassie are coming in teams will be trying their hardest to lock in important players till 2030 so then it’s extremely hard to them and other clubs to poach like if we’re still looking for key defenders and forwards the likes of Sam Taylor the king brothers Oscar Allen Sam dekoning and others are gonna be locked up which will force us to go and pick a couple up from the draft
Getting off the topic why does Geelong always tend to get good quality players that want to go there. My theory is a lot of players are country boys, out of the limelight unlike being a Collingwood player where everything you do is scrutinised. So much pressure.
Why haven't we done well with our draft picks the last few years? Is it because Collingwood makes bad choices in the draft. Or is it just that these kids dont live up to their potential? Or are these young players not being developed to their full potential??? Curious what you think, Swoop.
i feel like it’s a mixture of all three. look at the 2020 draft; by the end of this trade period, only beau and fin will probably be on our list. we’ve been very hit and miss. i think it comes down to strategy as well
@SwoopLuke it's a shame. I personally would like to have a good balance between the draft and bringing in established players. We need good talent either end.
To be fair, Scharenberg was touted by many as the best junior talent in the country. He also had two knee reco's. Now l'm not suggesting he wasn't a good pick, there are reasons why players get picked (known only to the recruiters) but the main criteria, l'd argue, is potential, and it can take years before that potential is realised, for some (most?) it isn't.
Let’s pump the brakes on the pick 12 for Ollie Lord idea! He’s a pick #49 from a few years ago who has played one legitimately good game. Pick 12 is in the ballpark of what Geelong will end up paying for Bailey Smith. He might be a promising prospect, but you can’t give up a pick like that for someone who hasn’t shown they can be a consistent performer yet
Lord is not worth pick 12 but he has 2 years to run on his contract which always cost clubs extra to get that player
Hey Lukey we bring in Perryman and get pick 12 for Nobes and possibly bring in Houston OMG we have done well and then pick up a diamond in th rough in the draft because it does bat deep watch out and id LOVE it if we could somehow bring in Lord. Fingers Crossed we get that pick 12 for Nobes 🤞🤞🤞
This is a elite draft
Key position players should be top priority. Lack of key forward and key defender depth. Geelong have a better recruiting/scouting department than us tbh.
We won a flag without one. Carlton didn't and they have two.
@@Johnny_Ayers Well winning without won’t happen again, it’s rare. Going to have to replace checkers eventually.
Must be heartbreaking for the recruiters who attend games looking at talent that they know they wont have the draft capital to select the gun players. Hoping Allan , Jiath , Di Mattia, Ryan, Smit and Long take a big step up next year .
Ive been saying for 20 years picks are no good. Get a ready made player, not spend 3-4 years developing a player who also takes up a spot on the list. That said unless you have a top 5 pick and can get a harley reid.
anyone who thinks we will get pick 12 for Noble is dreaming (he is good but not that good), we will most likely get 20, Also Thomas McGuane is predicated to go top 5 (maybe even top 3). As for topping up with players over drafting is fraught with danger, yes Geelong has done it successfully (but is starting to look at more draft players now), Hawthorn, West Coast, North Melbourne and St Kilda all tried it and looked what happened to them, trading away 1st round picks especially on good draft years i think is a bad move unless you are getting superstar players not players that are mediocre to good (and yes i am talking about Schultz so not worth a first and second round pick, maybe 2 second round picks at best), First round picks should only be traded if you are getting a Jeremy Cameron type of star (a player that you can build a team around) or future first if you have father/sons coming through and you are not in a rebuilding phase.
If we can't improve our list by trading Noble, we might as well keep him.
Lachie Schultz...excellent pick up 👀
Luke, what are your thoughts on this. Ollie lord to collingwood for pick 33, pick up Perryman, noble to gold Coast for pick 12, and, very unlikely, use pick 12 and a future first for smithy
oh god not the draft.
Swoop i only care that we move forward as long as we don'tmove backwards
Go get Ports Key Forward in Lord as well
I really want one of the Whitlock brothers tho it be so handy especially Tassie are coming in teams will be trying their hardest to lock in important players till 2030 so then it’s extremely hard to them and other clubs to poach like if we’re still looking for key defenders and forwards the likes of Sam Taylor the king brothers Oscar Allen Sam dekoning and others are gonna be locked up which will force us to go and pick a couple up from the draft
@benjaminrowley I think Oscar Allen would be great. I believe he is locked in till the end of 2025.
I agree with the coach we need ready made players also you don't want to stay down the bottom when you have nick daicos we can't waste his career.
Player
Getting off the topic why does Geelong always tend to get good quality players that want to go there. My theory is a lot of players are country boys, out of the limelight unlike being a Collingwood player where everything you do is scrutinised. So much pressure.
Taylor Adams leaves and now he can't get a game for swans
Unfortunately Kruger is a dud
Why haven't we done well with our draft picks the last few years? Is it because Collingwood makes bad choices in the draft. Or is it just that these kids dont live up to their potential? Or are these young players not being developed to their full potential??? Curious what you think, Swoop.
i feel like it’s a mixture of all three. look at the 2020 draft; by the end of this trade period, only beau and fin will probably be on our list. we’ve been very hit and miss. i think it comes down to strategy as well
I think hine has been poor that's why?
@SwoopLuke it's a shame. I personally would like to have a good balance between the draft and bringing in established players. We need good talent either end.
@@denisjeux1020 I think so. We still managed a GF. But I think he could have done even more.
Yeah but hine picked freeman & scharenberg over cripps so thats a big fail
Cripps and Merrett
To be fair, Scharenberg was touted by many as the best junior talent in the country. He also had two knee reco's. Now l'm not suggesting he wasn't a good pick, there are reasons why players get picked (known only to the recruiters) but the main criteria, l'd argue, is potential, and it can take years before that potential is realised, for some (most?) it isn't.
We haven't done well in the draft because hine is poor and needs to be moved on