I mean if you look in the comments of some recent concerts people complain about how they miss Huss old singling, and that he sounds like Kermit and he shouldn’t ding as nasally anymore etc etc but nobody important has said he’s bad at singing.
I sometimes wonder whether it's a regional or cultural thing with people liking Serj. Vocally he's extremely talented, there's a plethora of vocalists and coaches on here that will attest to that. However his vocal style is heavily influenced by traditional Lebanese music with a lot of complex throat singing techniques. I'd imagine people are a lot more receptive to that style when they're used to hearing music from different regions of the world. I'd hazard a guess that their following is bigger in Europe than NA for that reason.
I won a contest back in 2014 to have lunch with Fred Durst when LB was coming through on tour. He is so 110% different than his persona in the band, he was extremely nice, soft-spoken, and friendly to everyone. I was an awkward 16 year old kid, and he really went out of his way to make me feel comfortable. I cannot say enough about him, SUPER nice dude.
I’ve been saying this for years and years. Fred really is a nice, friendly and super chill kinda dude. Plus he has that good ole country boy / southern gentleman type of manners. Dude from LB is straight up a douchebag but Fred is just a normal type of and really genuinely one of the sweetest people I’ve ever meet.
Additionally, I remember SOAD being praised and adored during their peak when I was in grade school, so I'm not sure where this opinion comes from that they were massively unpopular?
he just doesn't personally like them i think. Maybe we should just leave at that, i mean, how many times has he said he loves ariana grande or megan thee stallion and got me like???
It's not so much they were unpopular, it's just that they were seen the same way as every other Nu Metal band at the time rather than a band that is above that. That changed when Mesmerize/Hypnotize came out.
He doesnt like Megadeth, he doesnt like System of a down, sometimes I wonder what he does like, probably my chemical romance and good charlotte and that kind of stuff, so dont worry about that......
@@xainabshuja4215 its Alternative Metal, but it has some Nu Metal elements. They don't even use standard tuning, and have some waaaaay more experimental sounds than Nu Metal does.
@@gkezele “have some way more experimental sounds than nu metal” like on what? They’re good but you’re fooling yourself if you think they’re above nu metal.
If you think Serj's vocals are bad you might want to make an ENT appointment Finn. Just because he sings in a particular style that you're not a fan of doesn't mean his vocals are objectively bad. Let's try to be impartial here.
Linkin Park definitely launched my trajectory into metalhead Hybrid Theory blew my fucking mind when I was 9 and remained my favorite album for years. I had never heard anything like Chesters screaming and it definitely planted the seeds
I went back a few months ago and listened to all of LPs discography for the first time in a few years and forgot just how insanely good they were. I was obsessed with them when they came out. Still love ‘em.
He is indeed! Such an amazing person as well, he's incredibly nice, artistic and such a musical genius ^^ Love him so much, he's such a big inspiration and generally just an amazing person to look up to :3
Don't forget Limp Bizkit making a song specifically for mission impossible 2 just to steal a soundtrack spot from metallica, that is total Mustaine energy
They didn't steal a spot from them 🤨 Metallica was on that soundtrack too. In fact, Metallica's song was much bigger because "I Disappear" was made specifically for the movie and was leaked online before the movie even came out. Leading to the whole Metallica VS Napster debacle.
@@NeverDieAloneMusic metallica was on the soundtrack however it was planned to be the main title song until limp bizkit wrote a song with mission impossible-esque music and got the top spot while I disappear got bumped to only showing up during the end credits
He must've went a weird school or something that people thought sotd was trash... Because in my circles they were always praised... They are very innovative and quite different from the rest of nu metal... Strange take for sure
Not only that their sound is so different from the rest of the nu metal gene, that they are their own gene. Like tool is considered metal but so different from a lot of metal that tool is just tool. So just like both of them they are welcome in those respected genes but are so different from it that it’s there own thing.
Idk why he keeps lumping them in here. I feel nu-metal had a certain aesthetic and marketing, and Deftones, even Adrenaline, didn't seem to have the same type of vibe. And Around the Fur is far and away more of a artsy metal, with the only song that can be considered "rap rock" being the verses in Lhabia. And my third and final half-thought out argument, is that they have immense respect from band from all sorts of genres, none of which are nu-metal bands of today. I'm talking metal, pop, shoegaze, etc.
If we compare it to like the big 4 of 90s Grunge, Deftones is like the Smashing Pumpkins. Not in the big 4 but had similar style as peers early on and kind of branched off later and did their own thing. I love both bands and they always do different styles and experiment a lot. The big 4 here for nu metal was very solid. I wouldn't change it either.
@@Victorvonbass Deftones is defitnely the Smashing Pumpkins of nu metal Regarding the band's influence upon other groups, Greg Kot wrote in 2001, "Whereas Nirvana spawned countless mini-Nirvanas, the Pumpkins remain an island unto themselves." This is very relevant to Deftones as well
I get what you're saying about how Linkin Park should try to come back and revamp and make a bigger presence, but obviously that would be next to impossible without that one special missing part, and everybody knows what I mean. Let's just be thankful for the music they gave us, and keep enjoying it.
Itd be crazy if they tapped the dude from tetrach as a replacement. I know "replacing" chester is a touchy subject bit that dude is pretty well suited. Itd be a very acdc situation.
@@devizesolstice4617 LP will probably eventually make a come back but if they do I'm afraid they'll just turn into a radio rock band. I know that was the direction they were taking, but at least it sounded unique
Korn is the godfather and "Metallica" of Nu-Metal period. They released 4 albums and were headlining arenas worldwide before Linking Park even came out. LP was only "nu-metal" for a short period of time, about 2-3 albums, then they turned into a pop group. As for the Big 4, Korn, Limp Bizkit & Deftones will forever be on my list. It's that other spot that's tuff to nail down.... Slipknot, LP, Papa Roach...
well not pop group,Minutes To Midnight have pop-rock elements and they sounded on half album like U2 but other half is like Metallica(No More Sorrow,Given Up,Bleed It Out) A Thousand Suns is their most creative album,Living Things is like Depeche Mode album in heavy style,and then in 2014 they release The Hunting Party some of Lp heaviest work,One More Light is pop rap album but title song is amazing and one of the Linkin Park best songs.
I tend to agree. Something he didn't mention was the fact that the Big 4 of thrash were close to the first 4 bands too, or at least the first 4 to get their own scene. Korn, Limp Bizkit and Deftones fits that to a tee. Linkin Park came around a bit after this and then left the scene not too far after. More like Pantera who briefly went thrash, did an amazing job of it, but then moved on to other stuff. I'd probably have Slipknot as the 4th. They predate the Hybrid Theory/Disturbed era that set the second wave of nu metal by a year and have probably stayed the most relevant of any other band.
Korn is my favorite band of all time, and I totally get why you put them as the Anthrax; heck I'd actually say that like Korn, Anthrax were the most groundbreaking of the Big 4, at least when it came to experimenting with influences outside of just metal. And once again I have to give props to the utter accuracy of your description of Deftones fans, myself included, haha.
@@brandythacker4090 I’d say Anthrax’s collab with Public Enemy is actually very analogous to Korn’s collab with Skrillex Both bands were early adopters of a genre that would eventually feed back into their primary genre (Anthrax -> rap -> nu-metal :: Korn -> dubstep -> whatever genre you call ghostemane and such)
Same I work at a amp and seen marylin slipknot and korn countless times and korns my favorite, unrelater nickleback was 1000x better then I thought they would be
I never thought Linkin Park, Disturbed, Slipknot and System of A Down were NuMetal. They just happened to break out during that time. Otherwise they always felt like they were doing their own thing and not riding a wave, merely borrowing some elements here and there that were trendy. And yes, I second everyone defending Serj's vocals. I'm not even a SOAD fan but I can recognize the dude has mad talent.
you're right about disturbed, slipknot, and system of a down, but listen to with you, runaway, and by myself from linkin park. its the style of riffs, rapping, and huge choruses that make them nu-metal. also, what are you doing not listening to soad?
Each of those three bands’ first albums, I could see as being nu metal, but by their second, each of them had their own distinct sound. Go back and listen to believe, or Iowa, or toxicity, and tell me any of those sound like what people think of when they hear the term nu metal. It may just be me personally, but I don’t see either one of those albums as nu metal.
He once said; dont listen to 80s metal, so no metallica before the black album, no slayer 80s, no megadeth 80s, no motorhead ace of spades even, so take what he says with a grain of salt....
He's full of shit by disrespecting one of the most iconic metal bands ever. None of the shitty metalcore bands he panders to will do something on the level as Rust in Peace or Youthanasia.
The guy running this channel is equivalent to a 4chan sh*poster who looks like he's on the wrong side of 40 and dresses like a teenager so I would question his thrash metal music palate. His main concern is keeping his channel from continuing to dip in popularity from rehashing the same topics.
@@robertsteinberger5667 ¨Don't listen to 80's metal¨ , that's like the most moronic advice anyone could give regarding metal...considering that like 80% of the best and most universally acclaimed metal albums of all time are from the 80's: Metallica's first 4 albums, Slayer's ¨reign in blood¨, Anthrax ¨among the living¨, Iron Maiden's ¨number of the beast¨, Judas Priest's ¨British steel¨ ¨Screaming for vengeance¨, Motorheads ¨Ace of Spades¨, Exodus ¨bonded by blood¨, just to name a few..and yeah, Megadeth's ¨Rust in Peace¨ is among them.
@@fanofgodjimindiva2497 even as non-metal fan my jaw drops open, how could he have said that? And of course he shows some bad unknown metalband to support what ,says. I guess he aims for teenagers of now or something. I dont understand...
I'm convinced Finn has listened to a total of 1 full album's worth of songs between SoaD, Mudvayne and Deftones combined lol. He puts so much emphasis on their dress, personalities, fans, etc and has very little to add on their music itself time and time again. Not everyone has to be an expert fan, but the lack of commentary on their music shows.
You often said that Slipknot is extreme métal, not nu métal and I agree with you 100%. I would put Korn at the Slayer place for being the heavier and darker one. I'll put SOAD at the Anthrax place for being the weird one that touch other styles with lyrics about comic book or pizza or some shit.
They have an actual DJ in the band and they damn near never have guitar solos in their songs. How is that not Nu metal? The only album that is extreme the whole way through is Iowa. Vol 3 and their self-titled are peak Nu metal.
"You often said that Slipknot is extreme métal, not nu métal and I agree with you 100%." I think they're both because just look at the bands discussed in this video and consider the spectrum of genres they cover. Nu-metal is less about a style of music and more about a time for metal. Also kind of agree with your Korn and SOAD placements.
I can see why some people are turned off by Serj's vocals, personally I love them but can see how some people think it's weird or unusual, but I think system of a down is a more socially motivated band then anything. All you got to look at is there top 5 songs. Chop Suey is about the morality of suicide, Toxicity is about the toxic nature of our culture, BYOB is about politics I will give you that, Aerials is about the perspective of life, and Lonely day is about feeling lonely. Obviously there lyrics are up for interpretation, but those are the most common interpretations of those songs. There is only 1 song out of there top 5 that is actually politicized and I think that's where they differ from RATM. Well RATM is mostly politized, System of a down is more socially conscience
i'm aware that i am biased because of SOAD being one of my all-time favorite bands, but Serj Tankian is EXTREMELY vocally talented. the main reason why certain people seem to not like his voice is because of how unique it is,, plus the bizarre ways he utilizes it during some of their songs. i definitely understand that his vocal style isn't for everybody, but you gotta at least give the guy mad respect for the pure talent and effort he pours out into his vocals. then you got the added bonus of Daron Malakian who is a BADASS guitarist and also an amazing vocalist with a voice which is very different from serj's voice, yet they go together so well somehow! (at least in my opinion) Edit: this won't necessarily be a "big 4" comparison, but my personal top 4 nu metal bands have gotta be Linkin Park, Korn, Slipknot, and System of a Down.
Static-X. Still fun to listen to, totally unique sound. Even Waynes solo album before he died was great. The new album put together from leftover recording scraps is good too.
“Megadeth: music thats almost aggressively mediocre”….oh boy. Have you listened to Rust in Peace? Peace Sells? Countdown to Extinction? Seminal metal albums.
I understand what it means. I like megadeath and it is aggressive but it just lack that bite compared to old Metallica and slayer. Like its the kind on metal you listen to when cleaning your house on a sunday afternoon
Absolutely! They are the musicians band because how technically advanced their playing was. Dave was in Metallica and influenced Slayer, so he impacted 3 of the big 4. This video was trash. Lol
Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, KoRn, Slipknot if you count them as nu-metal, Deftones if not. SOAD are very good but so unconventional that they don't really represent nu-metal or any other genre all that well; they're arguably their own genre. I tend to think of them as alt metal, alt rock or world metal (as in world music but metal.)
I think nú metal was more than a genre but a vibe and era, soad were in the era and had the vibe whether technically or not. Alt rock and alt metal covers alot of 90snand early 2000s bands without being too specific. One thing I like about pop is that they usually don't be so specific with the genre, pop is diverse. Maybe nu metal is just alternative metal and rock
to me the old school analogue for SOAD is Faith no More. Both bands were off doing their own weird, wonderful thing, not caring what every other band sounded like.
Well, I think a lot of people from outside Los Angeles (and California in general) misunderstand what SOAD is about. They’re a band made up of Armenian Americans (first generations at that) and a lot of their ideas and styles are based on that identity (there’s a large community of Armenians in Los Angeles btw). SOAD is known in the state for their activism and support of that community as well. Hopefully this clears up some confusion.
He’s said multiple times he does this because this is what gets clicks. If you’re looking for different shit, his second channel covers subjects that ARENT about people from 20 years ago.
@ghost mall yeah I liked the old format much better as well, but we’re the minority here and dudes gotta make a living. I do enjoy when he talks about newer artists though. Keeps my boomer daily Descendents listening ass finding new stuff to check out 😂
RetroJunkie84 yeah I’m not blaming him if I was in his shoes I’d prolly do the same nonetheless Finn is right rock has become a nostalgia genre and it’s not healthy for the future of rock
At first I thought: huh, Korn is not Metallica or Slayer? Then I listened to your reasoning and I can totally see it. Their tone, style, Jonathan's vocal, guitar tones are so unique and Korn-like you really can't easily reference without being completely Korn. And I do agree they are a bit underrated in that they deserve more fans like Slipknot or Linkin Park. Their live shows are tight.
The most influential nu metal band is Korn. Korn made the movement mainstream. Korn helped launch Limp Bizkit. Korn had a label that launched by metal bands. Linkin Park doesn't get big without Korn kicking down the door and making nu metal mainstream.
@@demonoising Deftones were in there too. But they branched off the nu metal genre around White Pony. But Korn was basically the band that launched the genre. People will argue about who came before them, but Korn made it big. It's the same thing that happened with Nirvana and grunge.
Korn is a fascinating part of the genre, as both the granddaddies of it yet also something unique to it. Speaking as someone who got way into them a few years back --- wayyyy after I got into other nu metal bands, yeah I know shame on me --- I can totally understand the reasoning for putting them as the "most underrated and least emulated" as far as the big names go. I was a little too young listen to, much less appreciate, their 1994 debut when it originally released, but I can totally imagine how the sound and emotion on that thing would have been such a mind-blower at the time that it became the hot new inspiration for so many other bands. But at the same time, that album was kind of lightning in a bottle that really no one can truly copy, not even Korn themselves. Listening to their discography after that, it's like there's a weird "fork" in the direction of nu metal from then on, with the bands inspired by them going one way by taking that sound and putting their own twists on it --- Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit adding more hip hop influences, Deftones going in a more chill/atmospheric direction, Mudvayne bringing a technical/prog flavor, SOAD foregoing personal lyrics in favor of greater social messages, etc. --- and Korn just continuing in their own direction without being steered by outside influences (the tune "Y'all Want a Single" started playing in my head thinking about this, lol). Korn continued to progress and evolve their sound over the years, yet as the albums progress it still felt like they existed parallel to the rest of the genre --- a close evolutionary cousin, but one that spent enough time separated by a narrow strait to become its own thing.
The most I’ve ever disagreed with you is on your opinion on SOAD. In my opinion Serj is one of the best metal singers of all time, and in my opinion they play better than 99% of nu metal. Slipknot, LP and maybe a couple others are on their level, but no one else in nu metal. That’s just my opinion though and I respect that you feel differently even if I don’t understand why
I would concur Sir.Korn is also my favorite band of all time.Its crazy to think a band with 8 platinum albums 13 straight top 10 albums 2 gold albums,2 platinum VHS tapes a platinum greatest hits and a gold acoustic is underrated but very true.Thats insane to think
I have no clue how Hunting Party was considered their "sell out" album, Keys to the Kingdom, Guilty all the Same, War, Wastelands, and A Line in the Sand, are just as hard as hybrid theory.
I still to this day love the windstorm intro bit that A Line in the Sand has. For me, growing up listening to country and middle of the road type stuff, then transitioning to a rocker and metalhead once I started to grow into myself, it takes me back to The Thunder Rolls, a song I still enjoy.
Mate, they were sellouts right from the start, let's be honest. Signed to Warner Bros for their first album, said first album took THE #1 most popular rock genre of the late 90s and made it even more commercial than it was already... They were the Pearl Jam of nu metal.
It blows my mind how Chevelle is never mentioned anywhere. Four Number One hits. Another 12 in the top 10. I'm not sure that they should be considered nu metal but, like...not even a mention for one of the biggest early 2000s Hard Rock bands? And it's not just you, they seem to be totally forgotten by everyone. It is just stunning how their existence seems scrubbed from the collective consciousness.
Chevelle was my favorite band for the longest time and I think cause they were more alt metal/hard Rock so they got lumped With like breaking Benjamin three days grace 30 seconds to Mars etc plus the overlap with nu metal with bands like deftones making music that could fit with both groups there were just other bands that got more popular so chevelle kinda got forgotten with the times which sucks cause they are one of the most consistent bands of their scene most of those bands have an album I don't listen to but I genuinely like all of chevelles albums they evolved yet stayed true to themselves at the same time
I had a friend who once described Chevelle as "the most popular generic hard rock band you never remember the name of" and I personally can't really disagree. They're not bad by any means and I like most of their popular songs but I'm never like "oh man I really wanna jam to some Chevelle", I just enjoy them when they pop up on my playlist and otherwise almost completely forget about them because in my view there's really not much about them that genuinely stands out.
@@mattashworth9744 they're probably like the Bush of the nu-metal era. The type of band you sign to fill airwaves and sell CDs that no one seems to actively dislike but simeltaneously nor does anyone think very much of them. Always the bridesmaid, I guess.
It's a good album imho but I feel like it was probably the most generic and nondecsipt of their first run of albums. Still definitely a slipknot sounding album and I loved it on release but with time it's probably the album I revisit the least.
Maybe it's RATM who should be in the 4th slot, though. Maybe. Is slipknot really nu metal? I might put Korn in the Slayer spot and Rage in the Anthrax spot.
Rage against the machine are definitely similar to Nu-metal, but I would consider them to be funk metal/rap metal (yes there is a difference between Nu metal and rap metal)
One thing to mention about Korn is that they were the biggest band early 2000's but slowly declined after Head then Silveria left. Nowadays nobody brags about listening to the last Korn's album like they do about the new Deftones' or new Slipknot's album. They are still relatively big today solely because they were so HUGE back then but most people stopped caring after Take A Look In The Mirror.
But that happens to every band basically, its normal. Deftones tried to get away from all that numetal wave and tried to be more low key and steady which in the long run was the best decision.
Great breakdown.Korn is one of my favorite bands of all time I seen them four times more than any other artist. And I think it's hard for people to comprehend then in the age of Britney Spears Backstreet Boys Christina Aguilera that Korn was a nu metal band and they were selling a shit ton of albums they were on TRL all the time. They had massive crowds. At my job I work with at least 10 people who were not even born when follow-the-leader came. And most of them were probably just born when Hybrid Theory came out. And you were right it's amazing how everybody dump them Limp Biscuit and tried to pretend they didn't never Rock Limp Bizkit back in the day and now all the sudden it's completely turned around. I've always loved System of a Down toxicity came out his amazing album still to this day and even later on with mesmerised. But I definitely have to say I would just miss putting Disturbed in that group. Disturbed had some great albums over the years.
You baited the comment out me. I think SOAD deserves it's "God Status" in the music scene because even though they might not be the BEST musicians, their lyrical content, and the messages behind (most) of their songs are what give them notoriety. Like on Tiktok and other platforms people talk about how SOAD helped people realize the injustices in the world, especially at such a young age. People my age(26) grew up and found SOAD through SOME means, Guitar Hero, MTV, Pandora... you name it. Say whatever you want about SOAD, but their music is pretty unique sounding. It has a lot of neat time signatures, and progressions, but I think GENUINELY SOAD is a band that opened up peoples perspectives to the rest of the world, and Serj himself is such a cool figure. Not to mention Daron IS a good singer. I get your point, but thats my "argument" I guess:D (Im actually at the end of the video now, and I 100% fell for the bait lol)
Only thing I’d say is that they don’t have the same energy anymore. If you watch videos of them live from this year they look like they don’t gaf anymore. Serj looks like he’s singing karaoke with his hand in his pocket going through the motions.
I've been listening to Deftones since 2009 (I guess I was around 15 y o then) And I kind of liked that Deftones weren't so huge, so it was my "special" band)) Everyone was listening to LP and SOAD in Russia at that time)
This tier list is correct. I think Mudvayne gets a lot of credit for what could have been. At the time I played their first three albums as much as Slipknot's self titled and Iowa but they definitely didn't keep the energy past that little segment of time and it doesn't hold up anywhere near as well once you escape the nu-metal bubble. Strong 4 squad here tbh.
@@Malum09 I think this is an accurate take. I still stand by LD50 being among the best nu-metal albums ever made. Then they declined for like the next 2-3 albums. I think their self-titled was really good but practically no one cared about it.
@@Malum09 It's not only underwhelming from a writing perspective, but I don't know what the fuck happened in the production but that album sounds SO bad. I like some of the tracks, but I can't get past the sound so I never put it on. Like Finn so eloquently said in the video, it's aggressively mediocre.
And because LD50 was their only elite album and the only true real nu metal album. The End of All Things is also nu metal (still good), but starting with Lost and Found, Mudvayne went more post-grunge.
Did he just call holy wars mediocre and serj a bad vocalist? Finn is spending too much time with kids on twitch lol!! Also people hated your review on LP is because you didnt even listen to whole songs... wtf dude!
Nu metal was a huge movement. Bigger than any of today's kids realize. Being a member of the Streetwise Street team (which was actually started by manager of deftones and SOAD Beno Benveniste), I can tell you tons of nu metal bands that were huge for a year but got dropped by their labels including: Deadlights, Ultraspank, Spineshank, Finger eleven, Snot, slaves On Dope, Static X, Soulfly, Abloom, One Side Zero, IL Nino, Staind, Sevendust, Coal Chamber,, Deadsy, Godhead, Eye Hate God, Adema, Hed Pe, pressure 4 5, Loudermilk... but I'd say for sure the big 4 was: korn, limp bizkit, Godsmack, Linkin park and deftones. They'd call these the "Adidas bands". The big 4 always wore Adidas superstar shell toes as if they were endorsed. If you want nostalgia from one of today's domestic bands that sound like 1999, listen to Gemini Syndrome. You won't be disappointed.
I'm 36 and numetal was my life in highschool and even after many years still, after the popularity died down, and even through the hatred and snooty looks I'd get for loving this music.. I didn't care it was the sound that defined me, that being said I consider myself an expert in discussions of this genre of music, but I have nothing to say to your list, you absolutely nailed it and I couldn't agree more. Thank you for your insight and much respect.
Uhhh you used the album cover for The Hunting Party next to One More Light, which is their heaviest album. If there was a first 'sellout album' (they never sold out, anyone who knows anything knows that) it would be A Thousand Suns I guess (which we all know is their best album). Edit: Definitely not saying you are saying they sold out btw
THP is straight up borderline metalcore 😂😂😂 can't listen to it anymore without hearing KSE or Architects... It's also the only album by them where you hear a double kick.
Minutes to Midnight was their first "sell out" album. I loved it but I remember all the hate it got, also didn't help they got the transformers contract. Easy target for the gate keepers to say the band lost their touch.
@@atetchells The love and admiration for A Thousand Suns has grown exponentially over the years. You can find plenty of positive retrospectives on UA-cam and from music publications. Look at LP fan pages/groups on Facebook and Twitter and you'll see that a very large portion of the fanbase shares the sentiment that it is their best album. Personally I went from only liking a few singles to loving the entire album more than any of their others. It's a masterpiece.
I Love System Of A Down, But I Can Understand Why Some People Don’t Like Them. As Much As I Like Serj And Daron’s Vocal Harmonies, In Recent Years Serj’s Vocals Have Started To Take A Bit Of A Dive In Quality Since He’s Currently 54, So His Voice Sounds A Bit More Nasally. But There Are 2 Parts Of SOAD That I Love The Most: Their Political Themes And Their Musical Ability. So Yeah, I Love SOAD, And If You Don’t, Then That’s Fine, You Have The Right To Have That Opinion.
If I was gonna do a Big 4 of NuMetal tour I’d want to get Korn, Deftones, Linkin Park, & POD. Their stuff holds up, inspired a lot of kids and exposed them to more underground hardcore and alternative bands. And yeah, picking POD over Limp Bizkit is mostly personal taste. I would rather see BigDumbFace open the show than see a Limp Bizkit set
I think you made a mistake with the album image for the “soft” LP albums, The Hunting Party is heavier than their first 2 albums. I think you wanted to include “Living Things”. But great video, 100% agree with the top 4 .
@@scottymcribofficial honestly i think “A Thousand Suns” was the most polarizing one. back in 2010 a lot of people hated it because of the experimental electronic sound it had but it’s currently beloved by fans and a lot of them say it’s their best work.
That has to be your worst take on SOAD and Megadeth yet. Listen I hate Dave just as much as the next guy but calling the band mediocre is just false. Some of the best guitars, drums, and bass in the business. And calling Serj a bad vocalist is nuts. You don't have to like the bands or keep them on your playlist but you can't do them dirty and act like they didn't pump out bangers.
I would've thought Korn should be the Metallica with a much greater influence on the genre itself than Linkin Park. I figured Limp Bizkit was a very clear choice for the Megadeath; really didn't think that was a difficult choice there at all...
System of a down have several tracks with blastbeats, like X, Storagéd, Cigaro, genocidal humanoids.... Not to mention Serj Tankian uses several vocal techniques and doesn't sound like a stepped-on-cat as Dave Mustaine would (though I can appreciate that you wouldn't be into Serj's nasal tone).
Great video once again ! I love your content ! I'm 30 now, and I come from a certain neighbourhood in which you could only listen to rap and hip-hop music. So when I started listening to music in the 90s I was a child and rap was all around. I had The Slim Shady LP and The chronic with me all the time and I was a big fan of those albums (yes they allowed me to listen to this when I was a child but I'm from Europe, nobody understood the lyrics really haha). So for me, Nu-Metal has been a gateway genre that allowed me to discover metal and rock music ! Somebody borrowed me Chocolate Starfish of Limp Bizkit once saying "you should listen to this", then I bought Hybrid Theory and that was it I never stopped listening to metal and rock since then. I think it shows how influential and popular this genre was at the time. They brought a big audience to rock, even people that were not used to listen to heavy stuff. It is something that rock seems to be unable to do nowadays.... For this reason, I still have a bit of nostalgia for this genre to this day and I mostly agree with what you say : Linkin Park, Korn, Limp Bizkit and Slipknot can be the big four of Nu-Metal. It truly amazes me how some bands like Limp Bizkit (and Linkin Park) became legends. At the time, hip-hop heads hated you for listening to this, and metal heads despised you for saying it was metal or even music ... now twenty years later they're gods... hahaha what comes around goes around huh ? Now if I may comment the video more directly : I think the reason Korn has less Spotify listeners is also because they kinda lost themselves a bit after Take a Look In The Mirror in 2003... they put out really bad albums for the past decades and I think it truly contributed to a certain decrease of their fan base that still hurts their statistics to this day. It is something that should be taken into account. As for Deftones and SOAD... well I disagree haha. I think Toxicity is a classic. And I am personally a big fan of Deftones. But I think everything you say about their fan base in your videos (all of them) are true. We are fucking stoners with no sense of humor haha we should recognise it ^^'
Totally understand why some people don’t like system, but saying Serj Tankian’s vocals are bad???? I get it if it’s not your cup of tea. But damn the dude has range, unique vibrato, and is one of the most dynamic singers I’ve ever heard.
I'd love a big 4 of 90's-2000's butt rock/post grunge. Staind, Godsmack, Nickleback, Seether/PuddleofMudd. Just pull up a 2001 OzzFest lineup, take away the good bands, and rank the remainders. They'll all be there
@@PuddleOfPizza Its a tough category. Creed is a no. They are just a grunge band that showed up sooo late it became its own thing. Plus none of that angsty, antisocial vibe. TDD is a good one. It would be so cringy to call them the Slayer of butt rock but here I am. "My mom and dad weren't perfect but still you don't hear no cryinass bitcin from me, like there seems to be, on everybody cd's" -Saliva, when asked about post-grunge
@@Survivalisto You could make the argument that Creed's first album can be categorized as Grunge, But the rest of their stuff is undeniably Post-Grunge. Though if we're excluding them then Puddle Of Mudd can also be excluded since they formed in 1991 and released one EP and one full length album featuring a pure grunge sound. They technically classify as a grunge band that showed up (Or in this case got signed) really late. So in that case I'd say the big 4 is Nickelback, Three Doors Down, Seether, and Breaking Benjamin.
Toxicity, White Pony, and Hybrid Theory were a huge deal back in junior highschool days. I would listen to every song on those albums non stop with my CD Walkman. I think they still hold up today. Also shout out Anthrax and NYC, is this video music box?
Before this video, I thought of my own personal Big 4 of Nu Metal, and mine were exaclty the same. Linkin Park being the biggest and most succesful, Limp Bizkit with their insane popularity catapulted by Fred Durst's antics, Slipknot being the most heavy and maintaining their consistancy with their sound and image, and Korn pioneering the genre and while not having the most success as the rest, still remain the mst unique and infuential of the bunch. If I had it my way and if Chester was still with us, these 4 would be headlining the next DWP rock festival.
You seem to hold Anthrax to a high regard, and I appreciate that. They were my dad's favorite band and I think they're incredibly underrated (they blew Slayer off the stage when I saw them). So my question is, where is your video about them and Anthrax adjacent stuff? Between SOD, Brutal Truth, Nuclear Assault, The Damned Things, Public Enemy, Married With Children, Mr Bungle, i think they have enough material for a decent video. I don't know just bringing an idea to the table.
Deftones pretty quickly developed their sound away from Nu Metal so it makes sense they're not on this list. It seems as well they have done a lot of work trying NOT to associate themselves with the Nu Metal genre in general as well and are now really trying to cross over into a lot of different scenes w the remix album and touring with rappers etc. Great vid man thanks!
I agree. Their first two records are really they only ones I would consider remotely nu metal, though it's really only the second one that I feel qualifies. Their debut is like something else entirely, but I suppose a case could be made for calling it nu metal.
You always trash Deftones fans but I never see them in the comments reacting like you say they will. I feel like there is some deep personal history of something that happened between you and the Deftones/fans at some point. Time for PRMBA fan theories. Funniest one becomes official canon.
Stephen Carpenter gave Finn a joint laced with ketamine back in the 90s, temporarily paralyzing him so Chino could unsuccessfully flirt with Finn's girlfriend at the time, who had that fucking horse logo tattooed across her lower back.
So, personally my big 4 would be Slipknot, System of a Down, Korn and Linkin Park. A lot of people would throw Deftones in theirs but personally I'm not a super huge fan of them so that would be mine.
Megadeths first 5 records are anything but mediocre. Even Youthanasia cannot be called mediocre. Their first 5 records are Metal masterpieces and a masterclass of Thrash. Rust In Peace is a top 5 Metal album at least
soad and specifically Toxicity were my first metal band even though I was 7 when the album came out (slipknot a year later) my sister was the one who liked linkin park after her pop phase. Basically all the other nu metal bands mention are bands I didn’t hear or see how they looked like until I started watching this channel with the exception of Korn.
All your picks were both the ones I expected you to pick, and my choices for the slots as well. So I'm a little biased when I say great video lol Also, quick note on SOAD, they were pretty vocal about not wanting to be considered nu metal
HATEBREED IS SO GOOD. Hey Finn, been getting into Hatebreed lately and i really gotta thank ya because I think they're very good for my mental and life. I usually listen to a lot of Ghostemane, Lil Peep, $uicideboy$, and Bones. But I do know that sometimes they can really get me feeling down and sad. While Hatebreed is exactly what I need to generate some motivation and form a better mindset about life in general. I think that over time, Hatebreed will especially be good for changing my view unconsciously closer to that of a healthy and happy individual SO THANK YOU!
In this order: Korn Deftones Limp Bizkit Slipknot Reason being because of their influence and we’re some of the first popular amongst nu metal (even though the first 2 Deftones albums are their only nu-metal records)
def think soad should take the “anthrax” title, despite half their catalog being very politically charged, most of their music is just weird and fun. def do think they are underrated. of course everyone loves “toxicity” and “chop suey” but they have a bunch of other bangers that hit different. also, bonus points about their rap collabs. anthrax and public enemy, and soad with wu tang.
Calling Megadeth and SOAD mediocre is... interesting. Like damn. Mustaine and his ego project are one the most important Thrashers out there. He helped to create and popularise the genre. And Serj´s voice sure as hell is special and actually nice sounding, he sure can sing. But you do you :)
Serj is an amazing singer. The vocals on their self titled are one of my favorites. His singing is maybe not your taste, but saying he is a bad singer is just wrong.
I respect Mustaine a lot for making his vocals work for the band. He's clearly not a good vocalist by regular standards, but his style suits to the music perfectly and with his vocals, drumming and riffs combined, they have put out some of the best albums in thrash. I do understand the dislike for his vocals, took me a solid year to start finally appreciate Megadeth's work, but as it stands, they're one of the all time greats in my book. Good video
i dont remember a time where system of a down was "uncool" i always remember them being considered a good band, and yeah the limp bizkit switch was pretty sudden, not sure how that happened.
@@bennymountain1 Yeah that's why I called it an intro. An attention getter if you will. How does that change that they were mentioned in the beginning of the video? I could give a shit about deftones I just wanted to point it out. I love finn and would buy him a sandwich if I ever saw him.
i’ve never heard anyone say serj is a bad singer most vocal coach reactions to him singing is that they’re impressed
idk seems he just gets rage clicks cause he just dogs on nu metal
I mean if you look in the comments of some recent concerts people complain about how they miss Huss old singling, and that he sounds like Kermit and he shouldn’t ding as nasally anymore etc etc but nobody important has said he’s bad at singing.
He's not a bad singer, just very mediocre.
I sometimes wonder whether it's a regional or cultural thing with people liking Serj. Vocally he's extremely talented, there's a plethora of vocalists and coaches on here that will attest to that. However his vocal style is heavily influenced by traditional Lebanese music with a lot of complex throat singing techniques. I'd imagine people are a lot more receptive to that style when they're used to hearing music from different regions of the world. I'd hazard a guess that their following is bigger in Europe than NA for that reason.
Litterally thats just plain wrong lmao
I won a contest back in 2014 to have lunch with Fred Durst when LB was coming through on tour. He is so 110% different than his persona in the band, he was extremely nice, soft-spoken, and friendly to everyone. I was an awkward 16 year old kid, and he really went out of his way to make me feel comfortable. I cannot say enough about him, SUPER nice dude.
Yea he’s explained in interviews that red hat him was a completely different persona then how he actually is out of limp bizkit
I’ve been saying this for years and years. Fred really is a nice, friendly and super chill kinda dude. Plus he has that good ole country boy / southern gentleman type of manners. Dude from LB is straight up a douchebag but Fred is just a normal type of and really genuinely one of the sweetest people I’ve ever meet.
narcissists are always nice when they have their pedestal.
This story makes me think 2004 Fred Durst would just bully 2014 Fred Durst for his lunch money 😂
Additionally, I remember SOAD being praised and adored during their peak when I was in grade school, so I'm not sure where this opinion comes from that they were massively unpopular?
he just doesn't personally like them i think. Maybe we should just leave at that, i mean, how many times has he said he loves ariana grande or megan thee stallion and got me like???
I also remember them being much like Linkin Park where basically everyone listened to them, even the ones who weren’t into that type of music at all.
@@leoglasmeyer2853 that explains his shit taste 🤣😭
@@retronerds6884🤣 I’ve been trying to figure out his shit taste too now I know lmao
It's not so much they were unpopular, it's just that they were seen the same way as every other Nu Metal band at the time rather than a band that is above that. That changed when Mesmerize/Hypnotize came out.
System of a Down are crazy good and Serj is an objectively talented singer... I mean c'mon, who doesn't love BYOB? I am SHOOK
He doesnt like Megadeth, he doesnt like System of a down, sometimes I wonder what he does like, probably my chemical romance and good charlotte and that kind of stuff, so dont worry about that......
@@robertsteinberger5667 I have a friend like that and I never understood why
I like system but tbf they are heavily overrated. That said I’m more a metalcore fan myself.
@@robertsteinberger5667 hes kinda right abt megadeth. Never really been my thing
@@robertsteinberger5667damn right
KoRn is the king of nu-metal. As a 6th grader at the time, Blind changed everything.
Serj is a once in a generation voice. Sure its nasally, but its amazing.
Dude yeah I don't get his opinion on SOAD- i don't think it even classifies as nuu metal
@@xainabshuja4215 its Alternative Metal, but it has some Nu Metal elements. They don't even use standard tuning, and have some waaaaay more experimental sounds than Nu Metal does.
@@gkezele that's exactly why they shouldn't be lumped in with the genre
@@gkezele “have some way more experimental sounds than nu metal” like on what? They’re good but you’re fooling yourself if you think they’re above nu metal.
@@xainabshuja4215 at first it was mostly nu metal
I think you meant :
Fred “what the fuck are you looking at?”
Me “nothing”
Fred “so you calling me nothing?”
Fred Dunst was annoyed that in the end the kids that used to bully him now became his fans.......
Nice seeing ADV China guys on this video. Hahaha
If you think Serj's vocals are bad you might want to make an ENT appointment Finn. Just because he sings in a particular style that you're not a fan of doesn't mean his vocals are objectively bad. Let's try to be impartial here.
He's obviously never heard anything from mesmerize and hypnotize if he says the vocals aren't the best
no... he's definitely right. Serj's vocals are funny and interesting, but they aren't actually good.
@@tonyp9161 literally the opposite, listening to his vocal tracks alone you can easily ser that he is fucking amazing
@@luisaazul he's not a bad vocalist, he just isn't really special. all the stuff he does to sound unique is very forced.
@@brendanhoppe227 eh, his singing from Hypnotize onward is kinda bad
Linkin Park definitely launched my trajectory into metalhead
Hybrid Theory blew my fucking mind when I was 9 and remained my favorite album for years.
I had never heard anything like Chesters screaming and it definitely planted the seeds
I went back a few months ago and listened to all of LPs discography for the first time in a few years and forgot just how insanely good they were. I was obsessed with them when they came out. Still love ‘em.
@@HotStrange Meteora is a masterpiece of songwriting
@@atvena I agree completely. And the way the track list flows is just amazing.
@@HotStrange yep
@@TheCpj1976 downward spiral is one of my all time favorite albums, but LP are great also.
Mike Shinoda is such a gem, just showing up at twitch events out of no where lmao
Isn't he a really big Tiwtch streamer? 170k followers - makes sense that he would appear at an event. Gem for sure though regardless.
He is indeed! Such an amazing person as well, he's incredibly nice, artistic and such a musical genius ^^
Love him so much, he's such a big inspiration and generally just an amazing person to look up to :3
Don't forget Limp Bizkit making a song specifically for mission impossible 2 just to steal a soundtrack spot from metallica, that is total Mustaine energy
Lol yes
@Maverick Malone Damn brUh u old. I was 12 when mi3 dropped
They didn't steal a spot from them 🤨 Metallica was on that soundtrack too. In fact, Metallica's song was much bigger because "I Disappear" was made specifically for the movie and was leaked online before the movie even came out. Leading to the whole Metallica VS Napster debacle.
@@TheBrandonn I was 10 and that sound track really got me into heavy metal music.
@@NeverDieAloneMusic metallica was on the soundtrack however it was planned to be the main title song until limp bizkit wrote a song with mission impossible-esque music and got the top spot while I disappear got bumped to only showing up during the end credits
I have genuinely agreed with at least 90% of Finn’s takes over the years, but every time he talks about System of a Down I throw up in my mouth
Same
i often find myself disagreeing with him actually. but for the history of metal, he makes great content
Totally agree and add the Deftones! But to each their own right. From a music theroy perspective I usually agree with the narrative he's presenting.
He must've went a weird school or something that people thought sotd was trash... Because in my circles they were always praised... They are very innovative and quite different from the rest of nu metal... Strange take for sure
same
I ain’t even mad that Deftones isn’t in this list, arguably only their first two records are really nu metal
Not only that their sound is so different from the rest of the nu metal gene, that they are their own gene. Like tool is considered metal but so different from a lot of metal that tool is just tool. So just like both of them they are welcome in those respected genes but are so different from it that it’s there own thing.
They're more like our generations Depeche Mode or Cure
Idk why he keeps lumping them in here. I feel nu-metal had a certain aesthetic and marketing, and Deftones, even Adrenaline, didn't seem to have the same type of vibe.
And Around the Fur is far and away more of a artsy metal, with the only song that can be considered "rap rock" being the verses in Lhabia.
And my third and final half-thought out argument, is that they have immense respect from band from all sorts of genres, none of which are nu-metal bands of today. I'm talking metal, pop, shoegaze, etc.
If we compare it to like the big 4 of 90s Grunge, Deftones is like the Smashing Pumpkins. Not in the big 4 but had similar style as peers early on and kind of branched off later and did their own thing.
I love both bands and they always do different styles and experiment a lot.
The big 4 here for nu metal was very solid. I wouldn't change it either.
@@Victorvonbass Deftones is defitnely the Smashing Pumpkins of nu metal
Regarding the band's influence upon other groups, Greg Kot wrote in 2001, "Whereas Nirvana spawned countless mini-Nirvanas, the Pumpkins remain an island unto themselves."
This is very relevant to Deftones as well
I get what you're saying about how Linkin Park should try to come back and revamp and make a bigger presence, but obviously that would be next to impossible without that one special missing part, and everybody knows what I mean. Let's just be thankful for the music they gave us, and keep enjoying it.
Itd be crazy if they tapped the dude from tetrach as a replacement. I know "replacing" chester is a touchy subject bit that dude is pretty well suited. Itd be a very acdc situation.
@@devizesolstice4617 LP will probably eventually make a come back but if they do I'm afraid they'll just turn into a radio rock band. I know that was the direction they were taking, but at least it sounded unique
they released a new single
@@remembertofeelreal old single
@@matzmr you know i meant that they released music -_-
System of a down songs are brilliant and serj is an amazing vocalist
"Sexually successful" should be a song on the next Limp Bizkit album, change my mind.
Korn is the godfather and "Metallica" of Nu-Metal period. They released 4 albums and were headlining arenas worldwide before Linking Park even came out. LP was only "nu-metal" for a short period of time, about 2-3 albums, then they turned into a pop group. As for the Big 4, Korn, Limp Bizkit & Deftones will forever be on my list. It's that other spot that's tuff to nail down.... Slipknot, LP, Papa Roach...
well not pop group,Minutes To Midnight have pop-rock elements and they sounded on half album like U2 but other half is like Metallica(No More Sorrow,Given Up,Bleed It Out) A Thousand Suns is their most creative album,Living Things is like Depeche Mode album in heavy style,and then in 2014 they release The Hunting Party some of Lp heaviest work,One More Light is pop rap album but title song is amazing and one of the Linkin Park best songs.
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Well said!
Valid
I tend to agree. Something he didn't mention was the fact that the Big 4 of thrash were close to the first 4 bands too, or at least the first 4 to get their own scene. Korn, Limp Bizkit and Deftones fits that to a tee. Linkin Park came around a bit after this and then left the scene not too far after. More like Pantera who briefly went thrash, did an amazing job of it, but then moved on to other stuff. I'd probably have Slipknot as the 4th. They predate the Hybrid Theory/Disturbed era that set the second wave of nu metal by a year and have probably stayed the most relevant of any other band.
Korn is my favorite band of all time, and I totally get why you put them as the Anthrax; heck I'd actually say that like Korn, Anthrax were the most groundbreaking of the Big 4, at least when it came to experimenting with influences outside of just metal. And once again I have to give props to the utter accuracy of your description of Deftones fans, myself included, haha.
Plus Anthrax did the first rap/metal team up with Public Enemy
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I’d say Anthrax’s collab with Public Enemy is actually very analogous to Korn’s collab with Skrillex
Both bands were early adopters of a genre that would eventually feed back into their primary genre (Anthrax -> rap -> nu-metal :: Korn -> dubstep -> whatever genre you call ghostemane and such)
@@AndPsych That's a good point - I would've said Ice Cube and Tre from Pharcyde, but your comparison makes more sense re early adoption of a genre.
Same I work at a amp and seen marylin slipknot and korn countless times and korns my favorite, unrelater nickleback was 1000x better then I thought they would be
Korn isn’t my favorite band of all time but I do love them. That run from their debut to take a look in the mirror is legendary.
I never thought Linkin Park, Disturbed, Slipknot and System of A Down were NuMetal. They just happened to break out during that time. Otherwise they always felt like they were doing their own thing and not riding a wave, merely borrowing some elements here and there that were trendy. And yes, I second everyone defending Serj's vocals. I'm not even a SOAD fan but I can recognize the dude has mad talent.
Disturbed, soad and slipknot are not nu metal, alternative metal maybe, also linkin park, none are nu metal, nu metal is a trash label
Lol I love how everybody desperately claims the nu metal bands that they like aren't nu metal.
you're right about disturbed, slipknot, and system of a down, but listen to with you, runaway, and by myself from linkin park. its the style of riffs, rapping, and huge choruses that make them nu-metal. also, what are you doing not listening to soad?
Each of those three bands’ first albums, I could see as being nu metal, but by their second, each of them had their own distinct sound. Go back and listen to believe, or Iowa, or toxicity, and tell me any of those sound like what people think of when they hear the term nu metal. It may just be me personally, but I don’t see either one of those albums as nu metal.
If LP is NuMetal, so is Kid Rock.
The Megadeth disrespect. Rust in Peace and Peace Sells are both incredible all time albums
He once said; dont listen to 80s metal, so no metallica before the black album, no slayer 80s, no megadeth 80s, no motorhead ace of spades even, so take what he says with a grain of salt....
He's full of shit by disrespecting one of the most iconic metal bands ever. None of the shitty metalcore bands he panders to will do something on the level as Rust in Peace or Youthanasia.
The guy running this channel is equivalent to a 4chan sh*poster who looks like he's on the wrong side of 40 and dresses like a teenager so I would question his thrash metal music palate. His main concern is keeping his channel from continuing to dip in popularity from rehashing the same topics.
@@robertsteinberger5667 ¨Don't listen to 80's metal¨ , that's like the most moronic advice anyone could give regarding metal...considering that like 80% of the best and most universally acclaimed metal albums of all time are from the 80's: Metallica's first 4 albums, Slayer's ¨reign in blood¨, Anthrax ¨among the living¨, Iron Maiden's ¨number of the beast¨, Judas Priest's ¨British steel¨ ¨Screaming for vengeance¨, Motorheads ¨Ace of Spades¨, Exodus ¨bonded by blood¨, just to name a few..and yeah, Megadeth's ¨Rust in Peace¨ is among them.
@@fanofgodjimindiva2497 even as non-metal fan my jaw drops open, how could he have said that? And of course he shows some bad unknown metalband to support what ,says. I guess he aims for teenagers of now or something. I dont understand...
I'm convinced Finn has listened to a total of 1 full album's worth of songs between SoaD, Mudvayne and Deftones combined lol. He puts so much emphasis on their dress, personalities, fans, etc and has very little to add on their music itself time and time again. Not everyone has to be an expert fan, but the lack of commentary on their music shows.
Finns videos have never been about analyzing the music. He analyzes the culture and lore behind these subgenres
@@erickh6587 what’s the point then?
You often said that Slipknot is extreme métal, not nu métal and I agree with you 100%.
I would put Korn at the Slayer place for being the heavier and darker one.
I'll put SOAD at the Anthrax place for being the weird one that touch other styles with lyrics about comic book or pizza or some shit.
I was thinking the same thing.
Much better
They have an actual DJ in the band and they damn near never have guitar solos in their songs. How is that not Nu metal? The only album that is extreme the whole way through is Iowa. Vol 3 and their self-titled are peak Nu metal.
Agree on SOAD
"You often said that Slipknot is extreme métal, not nu métal and I agree with you 100%."
I think they're both because just look at the bands discussed in this video and consider the spectrum of genres they cover. Nu-metal is less about a style of music and more about a time for metal.
Also kind of agree with your Korn and SOAD placements.
Deftones are the only band that dominated nu metal then grew up and made amazing records that you can't put into a box
They were nu metal for one album then said "fuck this shit, we're on acid now!" and ever since then it's been a fantastic ride.
Deftones aren’t a nu metal band it’s disrespectful to compare them to shit like Slipknot or Korn.
@@WSlopeAggie what abt adrenaline?
@@chrisclarke9306 Adrenaline and Around the Fur are totally nu metal you can't deny that
@@chrisclarke9306 deftones sounds like a pile of steaming shit, so I agree it’s disrespectful to compare them to korn and slipknot 😂
I can see why some people are turned off by Serj's vocals, personally I love them but can see how some people think it's weird or unusual, but I think system of a down is a more socially motivated band then anything. All you got to look at is there top 5 songs. Chop Suey is about the morality of suicide, Toxicity is about the toxic nature of our culture, BYOB is about politics I will give you that, Aerials is about the perspective of life, and Lonely day is about feeling lonely. Obviously there lyrics are up for interpretation, but those are the most common interpretations of those songs. There is only 1 song out of there top 5 that is actually politicized and I think that's where they differ from RATM. Well RATM is mostly politized, System of a down is more socially conscience
i'm aware that i am biased because of SOAD being one of my all-time favorite bands, but Serj Tankian is EXTREMELY vocally talented. the main reason why certain people seem to not like his voice is because of how unique it is,, plus the bizarre ways he utilizes it during some of their songs. i definitely understand that his vocal style isn't for everybody, but you gotta at least give the guy mad respect for the pure talent and effort he pours out into his vocals. then you got the added bonus of Daron Malakian who is a BADASS guitarist and also an amazing vocalist with a voice which is very different from serj's voice, yet they go together so well somehow! (at least in my opinion)
Edit: this won't necessarily be a "big 4" comparison, but my personal top 4 nu metal bands have gotta be Linkin Park, Korn, Slipknot, and System of a Down.
Static-X.
Still fun to listen to, totally unique sound. Even Waynes solo album before he died was great. The new album put together from leftover recording scraps is good too.
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but Static X is more Industrial Metal
@@proyectowangoz2841 as a static x fan I would put them as more industrial.
“Megadeth: music thats almost aggressively mediocre”….oh boy. Have you listened to Rust in Peace? Peace Sells? Countdown to Extinction? Seminal metal albums.
Yeah it's shit mate
I understand what it means. I like megadeath and it is aggressive but it just lack that bite compared to old Metallica and slayer. Like its the kind on metal you listen to when cleaning your house on a sunday afternoon
Absolutely! They are the musicians band because how technically advanced their playing was. Dave was in Metallica and influenced Slayer, so he impacted 3 of the big 4. This video was trash. Lol
I am not into metal but I do know that Slayer and Megadeth in the metalscene are seen as equals....
@@hellboyy7019 Only a clown with absolutely shit taste in music would call ¨rust in peace¨ a shit album. Are you a fan of Travis Scott by any means?
Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, KoRn, Slipknot if you count them as nu-metal, Deftones if not.
SOAD are very good but so unconventional that they don't really represent nu-metal or any other genre all that well; they're arguably their own genre. I tend to think of them as alt metal, alt rock or world metal (as in world music but metal.)
I think nú metal was more than a genre but a vibe and era, soad were in the era and had the vibe whether technically or not. Alt rock and alt metal covers alot of 90snand early 2000s bands without being too specific. One thing I like about pop is that they usually don't be so specific with the genre, pop is diverse. Maybe nu metal is just alternative metal and rock
SOADcore
to me the old school analogue for SOAD is Faith no More. Both bands were off doing their own weird, wonderful thing, not caring what every other band sounded like.
System of a down are the ultimate alternative metal band
Well, I think a lot of people from outside Los Angeles (and California in general) misunderstand what SOAD is about. They’re a band made up of Armenian Americans (first generations at that) and a lot of their ideas and styles are based on that identity (there’s a large community of Armenians in Los Angeles btw). SOAD is known in the state for their activism and support of that community as well. Hopefully this clears up some confusion.
*Megadeth is an acquired taste, especially vocally, but they're still my favorite Thrash Metal band 🤘*
See I love the instrumental side but mustaine’s voice is too much which is why I prefer Metallica
@@reeeeeeeman8792That’s true I love Megadeth but I always thought that Mustaine voice is why they never got as mainstream as Metallica.
“The Hunting Party” being mentioned as an album that wasn’t heavy enough? It’s legit their heaviest record since Meteora.
It’s their heaviest record period . War is a straight up hardcore punk song
Finn is right, rock fans are stuck in the past. Even he can’t escape talking about bands that were popular 20 years ago…
He’s said multiple times he does this because this is what gets clicks. If you’re looking for different shit, his second channel covers subjects that ARENT about people from 20 years ago.
@ghost mall yeah I liked the old format much better as well, but we’re the minority here and dudes gotta make a living. I do enjoy when he talks about newer artists though. Keeps my boomer daily Descendents listening ass finding new stuff to check out 😂
@@retrojunkie8434 I still have a couple of trap metal songs from his video and accompanying playlist on my regular playlist.
RetroJunkie84 yeah I’m not blaming him if I was in his shoes I’d prolly do the same nonetheless Finn is right rock has become a nostalgia genre and it’s not healthy for the future of rock
@@v00doozz82 in other words he compromised his principles for clicks and now resents his fans for it. Real punk rock ethos right there
At first I thought: huh, Korn is not Metallica or Slayer? Then I listened to your reasoning and I can totally see it. Their tone, style, Jonathan's vocal, guitar tones are so unique and Korn-like you really can't easily reference without being completely Korn. And I do agree they are a bit underrated in that they deserve more fans like Slipknot or Linkin Park. Their live shows are tight.
Somewhere between Offspring and Deftones there is a part of me that still wants to watch Finn Mckenty videos. Love the postings. Thumbs up 👍👍
Also if you knew anymore about SOAD, you would definitely put them as the Slayer one. Slayer is literally one of System Of A Downs biggest influences
The most influential nu metal band is Korn. Korn made the movement mainstream. Korn helped launch Limp Bizkit. Korn had a label that launched by metal bands. Linkin Park doesn't get big without Korn kicking down the door and making nu metal mainstream.
Exactly man. They practically invented the genre. They were the first ones, then Limp Bizkit and after them all the other bands.
@@demonoising Deftones were in there too. But they branched off the nu metal genre around White Pony. But Korn was basically the band that launched the genre. People will argue about who came before them, but Korn made it big. It's the same thing that happened with Nirvana and grunge.
"Limp Bizkit is a little bit overrated by their fans"
FIGHT ME, FINN.
More like overhated by their haters
Why do you've a nonce as your profile picture?!😂😂
One thing tho - I'm pretty sure even the most ardent Limp Bizkit hater would say that John Otto is an incredible drummer.
Agreed! And Wes Borland is a good guitarist and very unique
I don't like them at all and I agree. Sick drummer!
"They should remix Hybrid Theory"
*laughs in Reanimation*
Korn is a fascinating part of the genre, as both the granddaddies of it yet also something unique to it. Speaking as someone who got way into them a few years back --- wayyyy after I got into other nu metal bands, yeah I know shame on me --- I can totally understand the reasoning for putting them as the "most underrated and least emulated" as far as the big names go. I was a little too young listen to, much less appreciate, their 1994 debut when it originally released, but I can totally imagine how the sound and emotion on that thing would have been such a mind-blower at the time that it became the hot new inspiration for so many other bands. But at the same time, that album was kind of lightning in a bottle that really no one can truly copy, not even Korn themselves. Listening to their discography after that, it's like there's a weird "fork" in the direction of nu metal from then on, with the bands inspired by them going one way by taking that sound and putting their own twists on it --- Linkin Park and Limp Bizkit adding more hip hop influences, Deftones going in a more chill/atmospheric direction, Mudvayne bringing a technical/prog flavor, SOAD foregoing personal lyrics in favor of greater social messages, etc. --- and Korn just continuing in their own direction without being steered by outside influences (the tune "Y'all Want a Single" started playing in my head thinking about this, lol). Korn continued to progress and evolve their sound over the years, yet as the albums progress it still felt like they existed parallel to the rest of the genre --- a close evolutionary cousin, but one that spent enough time separated by a narrow strait to become its own thing.
This was beautiful said. I agree 100%
Mudvayne's first record is actually very interesting. Give it a spin Phil, you won't regret it.
Yeah I think Mudvayne is actually really fucking good.
Second one "The end of things to come" is a true masterpiece as well
Finn*
The most I’ve ever disagreed with you is on your opinion on SOAD. In my opinion Serj is one of the best metal singers of all time, and in my opinion they play better than 99% of nu metal. Slipknot, LP and maybe a couple others are on their level, but no one else in nu metal. That’s just my opinion though and I respect that you feel differently even if I don’t understand why
SOAD like Rage are massively overrated and only popular for ripping off other band's stiles and being overtly political, not much else
@@z0phi3l how the fuck have they ripped off other bands? Soad is not the best band but no one sounds like them
@@gustav2398 the easiest thing to say about musicians is to say they ripped someone off when in reality the word "influenced" would often work.
@@z0phi3l huh????
Is SOAD even nu metal
The Deftones are one of the greatest and unique bands EVER!!! 🐱
I would concur Sir.Korn is also my favorite band of all time.Its crazy to think a band with 8 platinum albums 13 straight top 10 albums 2 gold albums,2 platinum VHS tapes a platinum greatest hits and a gold acoustic is underrated but very true.Thats insane to think
platinum VHS tape made me giggle, no hate just almost forgot about those
I have no clue how Hunting Party was considered their "sell out" album, Keys to the Kingdom, Guilty all the Same, War, Wastelands, and A Line in the Sand, are just as hard as hybrid theory.
I still to this day love the windstorm intro bit that A Line in the Sand has.
For me, growing up listening to country and middle of the road type stuff, then transitioning to a rocker and metalhead once I started to grow into myself, it takes me back to The Thunder Rolls, a song I still enjoy.
bit of a different sound but just as heavy
Just as hard? So soft as a tissue?
I was wondering when the obligatory LP hater was gonna show up
Mate, they were sellouts right from the start, let's be honest.
Signed to Warner Bros for their first album, said first album took THE #1 most popular rock genre of the late 90s and made it even more commercial than it was already...
They were the Pearl Jam of nu metal.
I don't normally agree with you, but I do here. (Except for the Limp Bizkit hate).
It blows my mind how Chevelle is never mentioned anywhere.
Four Number One hits.
Another 12 in the top 10.
I'm not sure that they should be considered nu metal but, like...not even a mention for one of the biggest early 2000s Hard Rock bands? And it's not just you, they seem to be totally forgotten by everyone. It is just stunning how their existence seems scrubbed from the collective consciousness.
I liked their sound.
Chevelle was my favorite band for the longest time and I think cause they were more alt metal/hard Rock so they got lumped With like breaking Benjamin three days grace 30 seconds to Mars etc plus the overlap with nu metal with bands like deftones making music that could fit with both groups there were just other bands that got more popular so chevelle kinda got forgotten with the times which sucks cause they are one of the most consistent bands of their scene most of those bands have an album I don't listen to but I genuinely like all of chevelles albums they evolved yet stayed true to themselves at the same time
I had a friend who once described Chevelle as "the most popular generic hard rock band you never remember the name of" and I personally can't really disagree. They're not bad by any means and I like most of their popular songs but I'm never like "oh man I really wanna jam to some Chevelle", I just enjoy them when they pop up on my playlist and otherwise almost completely forget about them because in my view there's really not much about them that genuinely stands out.
@@mattashworth9744 they're probably like the Bush of the nu-metal era. The type of band you sign to fill airwaves and sell CDs that no one seems to actively dislike but simeltaneously nor does anyone think very much of them. Always the bridesmaid, I guess.
They are NuMetal, but barely and tgeyre late enough in the game that you had that new wave of pre emo, Thrice, Three Days Grace, etc.
Korn is by far The Godfather’s of nu-metal
All Hope is Lost is considered a bad album? That album is incredible
My favorite Slipknot album tbh
It's better than V3TSMs.
I'm partial to their self-titled album and Iowa. All their shit is great.
It's a good album imho but I feel like it was probably the most generic and nondecsipt of their first run of albums. Still definitely a slipknot sounding album and I loved it on release but with time it's probably the album I revisit the least.
Maybe it's RATM who should be in the 4th slot, though. Maybe.
Is slipknot really nu metal? I might put Korn in the Slayer spot and Rage in the Anthrax spot.
Rage is not nu metal tho
Slipknot was straight up nu metal in their debut album best example is the song spit it out
Fair points.
RATM is actually considered as funk metal, same as Faith No More.
Rage against the machine are definitely similar to Nu-metal, but I would consider them to be funk metal/rap metal (yes there is a difference between Nu metal and rap metal)
Korn, Limp Bizkit, Mudvayne, Drowning Pool are the 4 bands that come to mind as most nu-metal.
One thing to mention about Korn is that they were the biggest band early 2000's but slowly declined after Head then Silveria left. Nowadays nobody brags about listening to the last Korn's album like they do about the new Deftones' or new Slipknot's album.
They are still relatively big today solely because they were so HUGE back then but most people stopped caring after Take A Look In The Mirror.
But that happens to every band basically, its normal. Deftones tried to get away from all that numetal wave and tried to be more low key and steady which in the long run was the best decision.
Their last three albums have been very good imo. I think they are definitely in resurgence
Great breakdown.Korn is one of my favorite bands of all time I seen them four times more than any other artist. And I think it's hard for people to comprehend then in the age of Britney Spears Backstreet Boys Christina Aguilera that Korn was a nu metal band and they were selling a shit ton of albums they were on TRL all the time. They had massive crowds. At my job I work with at least 10 people who were not even born when follow-the-leader came. And most of them were probably just born when Hybrid Theory came out. And you were right it's amazing how everybody dump them Limp Biscuit and tried to pretend they didn't never Rock Limp Bizkit back in the day and now all the sudden it's completely turned around. I've always loved System of a Down toxicity came out his amazing album still to this day and even later on with mesmerised. But I definitely have to say I would just miss putting Disturbed in that group. Disturbed had some great albums over the years.
You baited the comment out me. I think SOAD deserves it's "God Status" in the music scene because even though they might not be the BEST musicians, their lyrical content, and the messages behind (most) of their songs are what give them notoriety. Like on Tiktok and other platforms people talk about how SOAD helped people realize the injustices in the world, especially at such a young age. People my age(26) grew up and found SOAD through SOME means, Guitar Hero, MTV, Pandora... you name it. Say whatever you want about SOAD, but their music is pretty unique sounding. It has a lot of neat time signatures, and progressions, but I think GENUINELY SOAD is a band that opened up peoples perspectives to the rest of the world, and Serj himself is such a cool figure. Not to mention Daron IS a good singer. I get your point, but thats my "argument" I guess:D
(Im actually at the end of the video now, and I 100% fell for the bait lol)
Only thing I’d say is that they don’t have the same energy anymore. If you watch videos of them live from this year they look like they don’t gaf anymore. Serj looks like he’s singing karaoke with his hand in his pocket going through the motions.
@@aaronpeterson7521 that's because Serj doesn't feel he has a creative input for the band.
I've been listening to Deftones since 2009 (I guess I was around 15 y o then) And I kind of liked that Deftones weren't so huge, so it was my "special" band)) Everyone was listening to LP and SOAD in Russia at that time)
Тоже из России, подтверждаю) как-то Дефтонес у нас в стране мимо прошли, а жаль. Узнала о них слишком поздно(
I can understand thinking soad and serj's voice are corny, but to me they're songwriting was a level above all the other big nu-metal bands.
No one was calling system fans clowns 20 years ago. 20 years ago was chop suey, and that was a pretty rocking song that was well received.
Finn despises any kind of folk music, unless it’s done by Taylor Swift ! Soad and it’s Armenian influences probably irritate his ears
I think it’s mostly that the fans were cringy jackass™️ wanna bes
Yeah. Bad take and then he'll make a video talking about ppl not having thick skin about his SOAD jokes. Lol
What is this dude's real problem with Megadeth?
If your go to system song is chop suey. You probably aren't even a real fan
This tier list is correct.
I think Mudvayne gets a lot of credit for what could have been. At the time I played their first three albums as much as Slipknot's self titled and Iowa but they definitely didn't keep the energy past that little segment of time and it doesn't hold up anywhere near as well once you escape the nu-metal bubble.
Strong 4 squad here tbh.
The first Mudvayne album is great, The rest have good songs sprinkled in them
@@Malum09 I think this is an accurate take. I still stand by LD50 being among the best nu-metal albums ever made. Then they declined for like the next 2-3 albums. I think their self-titled was really good but practically no one cared about it.
@@TheJatonEffect I remember deciding to listen to The End of All Things to Come right after ending LD 50 and feeling it underwhelming
@@Malum09 It's not only underwhelming from a writing perspective, but I don't know what the fuck happened in the production but that album sounds SO bad. I like some of the tracks, but I can't get past the sound so I never put it on.
Like Finn so eloquently said in the video, it's aggressively mediocre.
And because LD50 was their only elite album and the only true real nu metal album. The End of All Things is also nu metal (still good), but starting with Lost and Found, Mudvayne went more post-grunge.
Did he just call holy wars mediocre and serj a bad vocalist? Finn is spending too much time with kids on twitch lol!!
Also people hated your review on LP is because you didnt even listen to whole songs... wtf dude!
@ghost mall to think that I'm younger too lol!!
@ghost mall Nice way of trying to dismiss someone when they have a point because it goes against the narrative you subscribe to
Nu metal was a huge movement. Bigger than any of today's kids realize. Being a member of the Streetwise Street team (which was actually started by manager of deftones and SOAD Beno Benveniste), I can tell you tons of nu metal bands that were huge for a year but got dropped by their labels including: Deadlights, Ultraspank, Spineshank, Finger eleven, Snot, slaves On Dope, Static X, Soulfly, Abloom, One Side Zero, IL Nino, Staind, Sevendust, Coal Chamber,, Deadsy, Godhead, Eye Hate God, Adema, Hed Pe, pressure 4 5, Loudermilk... but I'd say for sure the big 4 was: korn, limp bizkit, Godsmack, Linkin park and deftones. They'd call these the "Adidas bands". The big 4 always wore Adidas superstar shell toes as if they were endorsed.
If you want nostalgia from one of today's domestic bands that sound like 1999, listen to Gemini Syndrome. You won't be disappointed.
Those are not the big 4 , the ultimate big 4 of nu metal are KoЯn , SOAD , Slipknot & Deftones . The rest can go behind them.
I'm 36 and numetal was my life in highschool and even after many years still, after the popularity died down, and even through the hatred and snooty looks I'd get for loving this music.. I didn't care it was the sound that defined me, that being said I consider myself an expert in discussions of this genre of music, but I have nothing to say to your list, you absolutely nailed it and I couldn't agree more.
Thank you for your insight and much respect.
Uhhh you used the album cover for The Hunting Party next to One More Light, which is their heaviest album. If there was a first 'sellout album' (they never sold out, anyone who knows anything knows that) it would be A Thousand Suns I guess (which we all know is their best album).
Edit: Definitely not saying you are saying they sold out btw
THP is straight up borderline metalcore 😂😂😂 can't listen to it anymore without hearing KSE or Architects... It's also the only album by them where you hear a double kick.
Minutes to Midnight was their first "sell out" album. I loved it but I remember all the hate it got, also didn't help they got the transformers contract. Easy target for the gate keepers to say the band lost their touch.
Far from their best album. I’m astounded that’s a real opinion
@@Thenewbronzeagecollapse I've never felt it gets into metalcore territory. Metal yes, punk yes. It's a pretty kick ass album, very underrated.
@@atetchells The love and admiration for A Thousand Suns has grown exponentially over the years. You can find plenty of positive retrospectives on UA-cam and from music publications. Look at LP fan pages/groups on Facebook and Twitter and you'll see that a very large portion of the fanbase shares the sentiment that it is their best album. Personally I went from only liking a few singles to loving the entire album more than any of their others. It's a masterpiece.
I feel like if we’re talking early soad it’s really unfair to say serj had a bad voice I mean some of the notes that man hits are wild
Like Spiders
man, still hurts to hear how many people dislike all hope is gone. i grew up on that album and i swear thats a “zero skip” album for me
1. Incubus 2. Deftones 3. Sevendust 4. SOAD
I was 14 when korn came out and I was hooked…at 42 I’m still blasting korn every day
I Love System Of A Down, But I Can Understand Why Some People Don’t Like Them. As Much As I Like Serj And Daron’s Vocal Harmonies, In Recent Years Serj’s Vocals Have Started To Take A Bit Of A Dive In Quality Since He’s Currently 54, So His Voice Sounds A Bit More Nasally. But There Are 2 Parts Of SOAD That I Love The Most: Their Political Themes And Their Musical Ability. So Yeah, I Love SOAD, And If You Don’t, Then That’s Fine, You Have The Right To Have That Opinion.
You Capitalize The First Letter Of Every Word You Type? Do You Like Torturing Yourself?
@@JacobYoces Yes Daddy, I Like The Pain- (Cough) What?
@@samualthehumanperson7677 You're the worst type of person.
@@JacobYoces 👍🏼
If I was gonna do a Big 4 of NuMetal tour I’d want to get Korn, Deftones, Linkin Park, & POD.
Their stuff holds up, inspired a lot of kids and exposed them to more underground hardcore and alternative bands. And yeah, picking POD over Limp Bizkit is mostly personal taste. I would rather see BigDumbFace open the show than see a Limp Bizkit set
3 dollar bill yall is better than anything pod made
@@iSmellBreakfast Moot point. They only ever play faith… if you get really lucky, they might play counterfeit.
I think you made a mistake with the album image for the “soft” LP albums, The Hunting Party is heavier than their first 2 albums. I think you wanted to include “Living Things”. But great video, 100% agree with the top 4 .
I figured Minutes to Midnight was going to be the album cover he’d put there, the reception to that album when it came out was super polarized
@@scottymcribofficial honestly i think “A Thousand Suns” was the most polarizing one.
back in 2010 a lot of people hated it because of the experimental electronic sound it had but it’s currently beloved by fans and a lot of them say it’s their best work.
Yeah The Hunting Party was the album where they became heavy again.
Surge has amazing vocals, he has control in almost every range
As a LB, Slipknot, Deftones & koRn (see???) fans, your specific yet accurate descriptions of the fanbase kinda hurts; but it felt good. Well done!
That has to be your worst take on SOAD and Megadeth yet. Listen I hate Dave just as much as the next guy but calling the band mediocre is just false. Some of the best guitars, drums, and bass in the business. And calling Serj a bad vocalist is nuts. You don't have to like the bands or keep them on your playlist but you can't do them dirty and act like they didn't pump out bangers.
I would've thought Korn should be the Metallica with a much greater influence on the genre itself than Linkin Park. I figured Limp Bizkit was a very clear choice for the Megadeath; really didn't think that was a difficult choice there at all...
System of a down have several tracks with blastbeats, like X, Storagéd, Cigaro, genocidal humanoids.... Not to mention Serj Tankian uses several vocal techniques and doesn't sound like a stepped-on-cat as Dave Mustaine would (though I can appreciate that you wouldn't be into Serj's nasal tone).
Great video once again ! I love your content !
I'm 30 now, and I come from a certain neighbourhood in which you could only listen to rap and hip-hop music. So when I started listening to music in the 90s I was a child and rap was all around. I had The Slim Shady LP and The chronic with me all the time and I was a big fan of those albums (yes they allowed me to listen to this when I was a child but I'm from Europe, nobody understood the lyrics really haha).
So for me, Nu-Metal has been a gateway genre that allowed me to discover metal and rock music ! Somebody borrowed me Chocolate Starfish of Limp Bizkit once saying "you should listen to this", then I bought Hybrid Theory and that was it I never stopped listening to metal and rock since then. I think it shows how influential and popular this genre was at the time. They brought a big audience to rock, even people that were not used to listen to heavy stuff. It is something that rock seems to be unable to do nowadays....
For this reason, I still have a bit of nostalgia for this genre to this day and I mostly agree with what you say : Linkin Park, Korn, Limp Bizkit and Slipknot can be the big four of Nu-Metal.
It truly amazes me how some bands like Limp Bizkit (and Linkin Park) became legends. At the time, hip-hop heads hated you for listening to this, and metal heads despised you for saying it was metal or even music ... now twenty years later they're gods... hahaha what comes around goes around huh ?
Now if I may comment the video more directly : I think the reason Korn has less Spotify listeners is also because they kinda lost themselves a bit after Take a Look In The Mirror in 2003... they put out really bad albums for the past decades and I think it truly contributed to a certain decrease of their fan base that still hurts their statistics to this day. It is something that should be taken into account.
As for Deftones and SOAD... well I disagree haha. I think Toxicity is a classic.
And I am personally a big fan of Deftones. But I think everything you say about their fan base in your videos (all of them) are true. We are fucking stoners with no sense of humor haha we should recognise it ^^'
Interesting how even in Europe in the 90s, rap was preferred over rock. It just goes to show the influence hip hop has had over the last 30 years.
Totally understand why some people don’t like system, but saying Serj Tankian’s vocals are bad???? I get it if it’s not your cup of tea. But damn the dude has range, unique vibrato, and is one of the most dynamic singers I’ve ever heard.
I'd love a big 4 of 90's-2000's butt rock/post grunge. Staind, Godsmack, Nickleback, Seether/PuddleofMudd. Just pull up a 2001 OzzFest lineup, take away the good bands, and rank the remainders. They'll all be there
Breaking Benjamin is probably the best one ngl
The big 4 of Post-Grunge would be Nickelback, Creed, Puddle Of Mudd, and Three Doors Down
Staind is my favorite "dysfunction" and "break the cycle" is some of the best grunge out there.
@@PuddleOfPizza Its a tough category. Creed is a no. They are just a grunge band that showed up sooo late it became its own thing. Plus none of that angsty, antisocial vibe. TDD is a good one. It would be so cringy to call them the Slayer of butt rock but here I am. "My mom and dad weren't perfect but still you don't hear no cryinass bitcin from me, like there seems to be, on everybody cd's" -Saliva, when asked about post-grunge
@@Survivalisto You could make the argument that Creed's first album can be categorized as Grunge, But the rest of their stuff is undeniably Post-Grunge.
Though if we're excluding them then Puddle Of Mudd can also be excluded since they formed in 1991 and released one EP and one full length album featuring a pure grunge sound. They technically classify as a grunge band that showed up (Or in this case got signed) really late.
So in that case I'd say the big 4 is Nickelback, Three Doors Down, Seether, and Breaking Benjamin.
Toxicity, White Pony, and Hybrid Theory were a huge deal back in junior highschool days. I would listen to every song on those albums non stop with my CD Walkman. I think they still hold up today.
Also shout out Anthrax and NYC, is this video music box?
Before this video, I thought of my own personal Big 4 of Nu Metal, and mine were exaclty the same. Linkin Park being the biggest and most succesful, Limp Bizkit with their insane popularity catapulted by Fred Durst's antics, Slipknot being the most heavy and maintaining their consistancy with their sound and image, and Korn pioneering the genre and while not having the most success as the rest, still remain the mst unique and infuential of the bunch. If I had it my way and if Chester was still with us, these 4 would be headlining the next DWP rock festival.
This is the list
You seem to hold Anthrax to a high regard, and I appreciate that. They were my dad's favorite band and I think they're incredibly underrated (they blew Slayer off the stage when I saw them). So my question is, where is your video about them and Anthrax adjacent stuff? Between SOD, Brutal Truth, Nuclear Assault, The Damned Things, Public Enemy, Married With Children, Mr Bungle, i think they have enough material for a decent video. I don't know just bringing an idea to the table.
Every time I try and listen to anthrax I end up just listening to Stormtroopers of death.
Deftones pretty quickly developed their sound away from Nu Metal so it makes sense they're not on this list. It seems as well they have done a lot of work trying NOT to associate themselves with the Nu Metal genre in general as well and are now really trying to cross over into a lot of different scenes w the remix album and touring with rappers etc. Great vid man thanks!
I agree. Their first two records are really they only ones I would consider remotely nu metal, though it's really only the second one that I feel qualifies. Their debut is like something else entirely, but I suppose a case could be made for calling it nu metal.
You always trash Deftones fans but I never see them in the comments reacting like you say they will.
I feel like there is some deep personal history of something that happened between you and the Deftones/fans at some point.
Time for PRMBA fan theories. Funniest one becomes official canon.
Stephen Carpenter gave Finn a joint laced with ketamine back in the 90s, temporarily paralyzing him so Chino could unsuccessfully flirt with Finn's girlfriend at the time, who had that fucking horse logo tattooed across her lower back.
korn is 100% lowkey underrated. they're so underrated people don't realize it. great call.
So, personally my big 4 would be Slipknot, System of a Down, Korn and Linkin Park. A lot of people would throw Deftones in theirs but personally I'm not a super huge fan of them so that would be mine.
Megadeths first 5 records are anything but mediocre. Even Youthanasia cannot be called mediocre. Their first 5 records are Metal masterpieces and a masterclass of Thrash. Rust In Peace is a top 5 Metal album at least
soad and specifically Toxicity were my first metal band even though I was 7 when the album came out (slipknot a year later) my sister was the one who liked linkin park after her pop phase. Basically all the other nu metal bands mention are bands I didn’t hear or see how they looked like until I started watching this channel with the exception of Korn.
SOAD are the Metallica, Megadeath,Slayer and Anthrax of NuMetal
All your picks were both the ones I expected you to pick, and my choices for the slots as well. So I'm a little biased when I say great video lol
Also, quick note on SOAD, they were pretty vocal about not wanting to be considered nu metal
Nobody with self respect wanted to be defined as nu metal lol..
@@joeberben1982 nah nu metal is great.
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SO THANK YOU!
In this order:
Korn
Deftones
Limp Bizkit
Slipknot
Reason being because of their influence and we’re some of the first popular amongst nu metal (even though the first 2 Deftones albums are their only nu-metal records)
def think soad should take the “anthrax” title, despite half their catalog being very politically charged, most of their music is just weird and fun. def do think they are underrated. of course everyone loves “toxicity” and “chop suey” but they have a bunch of other bangers that hit different. also, bonus points about their rap collabs. anthrax and public enemy, and soad with wu tang.
Calling Megadeth and SOAD mediocre is... interesting. Like damn. Mustaine and his ego project are one the most important Thrashers out there. He helped to create and popularise the genre. And Serj´s voice sure as hell is special and actually nice sounding, he sure can sing. But you do you :)
Might sound good, but he's so out of place in a metal band that it sounds super gimmicky.
@@bennymountain1 I'm sorry you can't hear their music like I do. You're missing out
how megadeth's music is mediocore, try to play some theirs riffs, your fingers will fall off
Great video, I agree with all that you've said'. Now I'd like to see the Big 4' of modern rock/metal.
Serj is an amazing singer. The vocals on their self titled are one of my favorites. His singing is maybe not your taste, but saying he is a bad singer is just wrong.
I respect Mustaine a lot for making his vocals work for the band. He's clearly not a good vocalist by regular standards, but his style suits to the music perfectly and with his vocals, drumming and riffs combined, they have put out some of the best albums in thrash. I do understand the dislike for his vocals, took me a solid year to start finally appreciate Megadeth's work, but as it stands, they're one of the all time greats in my book. Good video
@ghost mall Somehow it clicked for me at point yeah, don't know if that makes me a better man though :D
i dont remember a time where system of a down was "uncool" i always remember them being considered a good band, and yeah the limp bizkit switch was pretty sudden, not sure how that happened.
"Deftones fans are probably writing an angry message right now because I haven't mentioned them"
Mentions them in the intro.
That part was copied and pasted from the second half of the video, put the bong down, will ya.
@@bennymountain1 Yeah that's why I called it an intro. An attention getter if you will. How does that change that they were mentioned in the beginning of the video? I could give a shit about deftones I just wanted to point it out. I love finn and would buy him a sandwich if I ever saw him.
I might be the first Limp Bizkit hipster, tbh, because I've been singing their praises for years LMFAO
I would go
1.Metallica(Linkin Park)
2.Megadeth(Korn)
3.Slayer(Slipknot)
4.Anthrax(System Of A Down)
so you're gonna just pretend "insert obscure band name that nobody really knows" doesn't exist?!?!