I think Daniel Ricciardo lowkey had one of the best drives in that race. The RB has taken a huge step back since Barcelona with the new updates. It's still not a top 10 car but Danny Ric punched above his weight big time to finish 9th, and he was only 6 seconds behind Hulk in the Haas which was clearly a faster car. You have to compare team-mates and Tsunoda was no-where to be seen. It's also not really been spoken about, but Daniel Ricciardo has lowkey beaten Tsunoda the past 3 weekends in a row. Finally seeing some consistency with him now. He's gearing up for a strong 2nd part of the year.
Yeah but why did he beat yuki? because he got blocked in quali couldnt do a second run and because his team gave him a absolute terrible strategy. And barcelona the car was nowhere
@@keramik1269Yuki was nowhere near Daniel even in the first stint where they were on the same tires Yuki got pass Alonso and was losing massive time to Daniel n the others ahead it’s just been a terrible 3 race streak for Yuki which is why he’ll never get the Redbull seat
*Max vs Lando Topic* Go back & watch Max vs Sainz Lap 26 of Austria 2023. Sainz moves under braking, Max backs off, puts his wheel 'off track' Uses DRS to pass on the next straight for a clean overtake.
This is exactly why I don’t understand why people are acting like Lando was entirely innocent…..if his race craft wasn’t a bunch of desperate dive bombs he would’ve easily gotten the move done for sure and would’ve never been in that position to begin with
@@Nox_Desiree him being innocent by the rule book doesn’t change the fact that he lost 10 points to Max because he didn’t finish the race 🤷♂️ this is exactly why people say Lando doesn’t have a championship mentality. Max doesn’t care about maintaining his friendship or racing Lando “by the book”, all he cares about is winning - which is exactly why he’s the best in the business rn
First of all the damage was his fault he pushed Oscar off .Then speeded in the pit lane like a rookie ,and he talks about damage affecting his performance ,he stayed in the drs to hulk for around 20 laps he could clearly keep up with him so he clearly had the pace to pass and hulk played like a triangle
If Haas has a hundred fans, then I am one of them. If Haas has ten fans, then I am one of them. If Haas has only one fan, then that is me. If Haas has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against Haas, then I am against the world.
I think while lando could’ve used more curb and avoid the contact; by the rule book he isn’t obligated to use more curb and is entitled to a cars width from the white line no matter what. (Probably😭)
The British media is not objective with Max, do I really need to bring back evidence and quotes from 2021 again? C'mon Tommo. Anyway I do agree that anyone accusing you of being biased against Max despite the fact you've given him so much praise even in 2021 is an idiot.
They called the facts what it was and sometimes let max get away with some crazy things. They now are speaking up about 2021 besides the human error robbery. Max was driving like that all 21. They let things go at some points…
Using this section as a place for a semi-unrelated quick rant: I’m so tired of (mostly sky) pundits saying “were they (max in this case) punished harshly enough? It ended landos race entirely.” Like, you’ve been at this for over a decade-how many times do you need to be reminded that penalties are BASED ON THE INCIDENT, not the outcome. That was a very light, run of the mill contact that by chance had a race-ending outcome.
Talking to my gf that, this was hulk's best finish since 2019, she's like "why's he still driving?" and my head going through the fact he made it in a hass, and since then, never had a car to make so. simply lovely by the way, love all the biased analysis and the "this are my rating, my opinion" thing. cheers from Brasil
I enjoyed the weekend. I am an Oscar fan, he’s my boy. I’m with you with the track limits here, unnecessary. I will say that the limit of the track got wider in a way, as gravel was pushed away from the curb making it easier for the wheel to hang without being punished, but as you say that’s an oversight. Letter of the law my boi Puff went outside the line, but it’s just a bit harsh. I think they need to put something there that doesn’t move, whether it be thick grass to slow you down or whatever, then remove limits. Anyway, great review. Keep it up! ❤
Hi Tommo! Of course I am late, but it was an extremely enjoyable live race weekend for me. I even had the chance to meet nearly every driver and some of the team bosses as well. Meeting Oscar and Ollie was the best for me of course :) All the important talking points you covered perfectly as always. So I just want to add a small inside to Komatsu as team principal, because I was meeting him at the team truck where he analysed the tyres, exactly as last year. So he is still so much involved into the details, which is impressive for me. And I could even pick up a part of Landos tyre. So thats a very special souvenir of course :)
I agree it is lazy for people to criticize you for being bias against Max because you are British but it is also lazy of you to ignore the fact that Max's hate stems primarily from the British media and you just happen to be British media. I'm not saying Max is a media darling but the British hate is real especially when you see most reactions after the race yesterday and the repetitive mention of 2021 as if 2022, 2023 and the 2024 season upto the sprint race on Saturday are now irrelevant. What I love about Max is that in next race in Silverstone, he will put off the British media BS questions who will all be hogging on to this one incidence, and do what he does best......and that is drive and compete. Can't wait for next race
@@arglebargle5531 I agree. I think I should have used 'critic' instead of 'bias'. It just feels like most of the media who just happen to be mostly British are more hateful than critic of Max and that is shown by the constant reference of 2021.
Weren’t we supposed to “drive it out” in 2022 when Hamilton got jeered by Verstappen fans? But all these years later it’s free game for British media to go after Verstappen, riling up the British fans for Silverstone? I wonder how they will react to Verstappen? Sky are complicit in this hatred and toxicity spread online and in the grandstands
Frustrating to see Leclerc out of the race due to slight contact with Oscar. Why can't the front wings be designed to fit within the outer edge of the front wheels so end plates won't pop off with any kind of contact?
Such a good point, I understand the importance of aero and it’s sensitivities but the cars being much more durable would be overall good for the sport and racing imo. Kind of like how F1 used to be and how Indycar currently is. Those guys practically play bumper cars and the things keep trucking at full pace lol
The problem with the track limits discussion about how the space between the white line and the gravel, is that F1 cars change dimensions over time. So going with the argument of just move the white line so the cars physically can’t fit between them, is that then you’d have to change the racetrack itself every time f1 cars change dimensions. Like in ‘26 when the cars get narrower.
Really wouldn’t take that much effort... Regulations change every 5 or so years on average, and it’s not that much of a change. These things are also moved for other motorsports not just f1
@@dangraycon yeah it occurred to me after I had posted that it’s likely just some paint, I was thinking that the curb itself would need to be moved but looking at the photo, I think there’s enough space to edge the white line a bit further out and fix the issue
They are getting narrower yes, by 10cm. So if they lop off 20cm, that's the track sorted from 2025 til the next NEXT regs in like 2030 minimum. I think that's fine. With safety standards being what they are, I don't see the cars getting much smaller anyway.
yup, this needs to be acknowledged when incidents at the end of the race significantly effect who people would vote for. who I voted for when the voting opened is not who I would have voted for after the race and I’m sure that’s the case for many people
I think because Oscar went all 4 wheels outside the white line then his lap has to be deleted according to the rule, I don't think he lost enough time from the gravel to mitigate the track limit violation, I think its different when something like Lando in china sprint qualy happens as he clearly lost a lot of time in the gravel, but I would love them to move the gravel closer so that you can't go 4 wheels outside the line without touching gravel
He technically did go all 4 wheels out, absolutely. I'm arguing that at that corner specifically, it should not be possible to do that and not actually dip into the gravel. If the gravel was like 20cm closer, he'd have dipped, lost time, and there would be no need to enforce track limits at that corner.
I have to say I disagree with your opinion on Oscar's track limit violation. In my opinion that is a very "theoretical" approach you're taking but in reality we don't know every single variable. Even the cars have different width (although no car should be more than 2 meters wide). Let's say the redbull is the widest at exactly 200cm and the williams is the "slimmest" at 195cm. If you place the gravel 195cm outside the lines, then the redbull won't be able to use the turn at its fullest; if you place the gravel 200cm outside the line then the williams will be able to leave the track and not touch the gravel by centimeters (which is what happened to Oscar). I think you should just have limits everywhere. If someone touches the gravel, therefore not gaining an advantage, move on, but if they are outside and don't touch the gravel, just give him a track limit violation
Nice one Tommo. Agree Max deserved penalty. Also agree that Landos reaction was totally OTT. He needs to manage his emotions better. Lol about the bias and SM commentary. Totally trust ADs analysis and agree with what he had to say. Satisfied he makes his comments in good faith as does Peter Windsor who has an opposing view.
I'm sorry but that track limit rant was too much. Especially when you called it "a tiny grey area" when there isn't one. Track limits are annoying but it is black and white. if you cross the white line with 4 wheels, you're out of track. It's as simple as that. If all the others could followed the rules, why should one driver be rewarded for breaking them?
Re: the track limits thing, I do think we need to remember that the reason we have track limits working in the way we do is because everyone complained about the lack of consistency they used to have, where they tracked track limits on some corners and not others. We can't both have complete consistency in track limits AND rely on natural deterrents, it sort of is one or the other.
I wish Tommo could make a video discussing different driving styles and characteristics of different cars. For instance I’d love to know who besides Max would prefer a highly sensitive and pointy car like RedBull.
I appreciate your balanced opinion. But I don't see how you can come to the conclusion that Max forced Lando off the track deliberately after the flat tyre. He was in my opinion clearing the racing line, knowing he could not make speed again. If Lando had good tires, he would have passed him on the left, on the racing line. If Lando had a puncture, he would stay behind Max, also clearing the racing line. Now passing on the right with deflated tyre is crazy. I don't think you can ask Max to even consider that possibility. And Max was proven right. Lando destroyed his own car by driving way too fast with a flat tyre.
I completely agree with your view on track limits. Niels Wittichs interpretation of the rule is such a big shame, because he completely ignore the 2nd part of the rule "and gaining an advantage." And it is a slap into the face for Spielberg as well, because they invest so much money and effort into these temporary gravel strips. The white line marshal on our post was even telling me, that they was just monitoring F3 and Porsche Cup. So there was no track limits for F1 and F2, but Niels just want to stamp his authority.
Peter Windsor said in his review that Max' onboards Show he didn't move his steering wheel but the track curves slightly to the right which makes it look like he turned left.
uhhh yuki inconsistent that weekend? It was more team strat than his driving. He got undercut multiple times. +3s gap ahead stroll and albon just got evaporated.
I can't understand how people think Piastri was the banger drive and yet you are saying no chance for Norris. Without Max crashing into Norris, Piastri finishes 25 seconds behind his teammate and it is another poor race...
Oscar went over track limits, he didnt get punished by the gravel, so he was punished by the stewards. The gravel is a replacement for lap deletion, he went over the line and got one of them, so why does it matter?
I do feel like that entire rant about track limits is a bit misplaced since you're essentially advocating that they should have just taken the long way around the gravel trap for extra speed.
People are blaming Charles for getting squeezed because he qualified p6 but the same thing happened in Mexico last year for Charles when he got pole. Charles just has incredibly bad luck
50:50 This is another incorrect statement by farrrrrrrrr!!!! They didn’t penalize max correctly because he moved under braking 3!!!!! Different occasions. He only got penalized that 10 second penalty because he eventually cause Lando his race. If they gave max the 10 second penalty for driving under braking, that crash would’ve never happened!! Come on man be better…
1:18:16 It was clear even without a penalty but max didn’t even get a WARNING!!!!!!!!!! For moving under braking 3 TIMES!!!!!!!!!! We’ve seen drivers get warnings very quick for doing 1 move under braking. Max gets no warning at ALL!!!!!!!! He’s getting the 2021 treatment😂
I think it can be easy to maybe lose a little faith in lando’s ability after austria but i will say in his defence that the mclaren, despite how good a car it has become, is still one of the worse in straight line speed and with DRS-pretty much the polar opposite to Red Bull. That lends to having to be more aggressive with these divebombs when the pace is so similar.
Max was still driving into Lando's line when he had a puncture and couldn't know Lando had one. He drives like he thinks he is entitled to win. Quick to cry and moan when someone else does something like this to him. Russell was a 'dickhead' when he drove like this against Max, but Max maintains he's done nothing wrong. The guy is a fatanstic driver and a fantastic prick.
It seems like when Max is genuinely concerned about being overtaken, he puts the overtaking driver in a lose-lose situation. Either they back out and stay second all race, or they crash.
41:16 this is the problem with this statement… Why should drivers YIELD TO MAX JUST BECAUSE HE DRIVERS OVER THE LIMIT!!!!!!!!! WHYYYYYYYY!!!!!! I say let all the drivers keep doing that so max can keep showing his true colors and him getting penalized easier moving forward because of how he drives. It shouldn’t be the responsibility of everyone else to yield to max because he drives a crashtappen style strategy. Not everyone is going to be passive like Lewis in 2021… 44:10 max was doing that dive bomb move all season in 2021 u fairly and off track over the limit moves, AD21 divebomb stewards were going based off how terrorizing he was being all season and let that move go for Lewis. You are trying to be to neural here but missing the objective points that makes maxs moves over the limit and illegal man. You have to take the facts for what they are.
41:16 this is the problem with this statement… Why should drivers YIELD TO MAX JUST BECAUSE HE DRIVERS OVER THE LIMIT!!!!!!!!! WHYYYYYYYY!!!!!! I say let all the drivers keep doing that so max can keep showing his true colors and him getting penalized easier moving forward because of how he drives. It shouldn’t be the responsibility of everyone else to yield to max because he drives a crashtappen style strategy. Not everyone is going to be passive like Lewis in 2021… 44:10 max was doing that dive bomb move all season in 2021 u fairly and off track over the limit moves, AD21 divebomb stewards were going based off how terrorizing he was being all season and let that move go for Lewis. You are trying to be to neural here but missing the objective points that makes maxs moves over the limit and illegal man. You have to take the facts for what they are.
43:15 That's really interesting, because I'm the complete opposite. I think Lewis was right to keep that position, and Max was right to keep it this time too. Lando's divebombing was really clumsy, and I don't think other drivers should be encourages to be cleaner.
Max has driven like this his entire career and for some reason the narrative is always that the other person has to back out to save their race. Done it to Lewis countless times, did it to Mick for just a points finish at Silverstone and now Lando. He has great single lap pace, but can’t wheel to wheel race for more than one lap without crashing into the other person
My point exactly. Why does everyone else have to compromise their driving style for max? Why should everyone else have to avoid contact because max drives insanely over the limit
@@livefast-xc8lm But from Sainz's move on Verstappen in 2023 we see that this wasn't a 'we yield or we crash' moment. Obviously Verstappen was at fault for the crash but Norris could go slightly onto the kerb, prioritize getting a better exit and overtake Max after the corner like Verstappen did when Sainz left him no room last year. This crash was overall nothing special compared to what we see happen all the time, it's just blown up massively due to it being for the lead and for which drivers were involved. You didn't see people complain when Norris forced Verstappen onto the grass in Spain, but when Verstappen leaves Norris too little space it's suddenly the end of the world
@@cijfermanful overall it a widely know that max races like that. He was a reputation for a reason. He’s known as crashtappen for a reason. The fia implemented moving under braking because of max. It’s not like he’s known for being a clean driver his whole career. No ones making this up.
Styles make fights. I think Russell is the only driver that can take it to Verstappen. Not saying he is faster than Leclerc but he's the only one who doesn't back down, when his car atleast has a chance to be ahead. Leclerc and Norris give him too much respect.
@@JohnnyB-w8j nah you're wrong. When he has the car to atleast defend or attack, even if it wasn't faster than the Redbull, he got his elbows out and made it difficult. Everyone else waves and salutes him by. We will know for sure when Merc have the second or joint fastest car.
Leclerc litteraly beat Max on Red Bulls homeground in 22’. Watch how Leclerc battles Max vs how Lando battles him. It’s pretty clear that Leclerc knows when the move is on and that he can make the overtake stick. Lando, all weekend long, was so desperate to get ahead he always outbroke himself or let Max get through on the exit. Had Lando set himself better up in the exits of corners he’d clear Max pretty fast, the Mclaren was a lot quicker than the Red Bull on low fuel, clearly.
Make a video on why Pato O'ward is the best Perez replacement. Pros: They can most likely keep the Mexican Sponsorship. He is obviously faster then Perez. Has a Super Licence. Cons: Has a McLaren contract.
So Schumacher had like 3 really big crashes and thats about it. Other than that he was pretty much faster than Kevin since Canada. Tommo just rewatch the season before you speak please.
1:02:11 is this not still considered luck? Max managing to cause a collision and still finish 5th because his car wasn’t that banged up but his opponents was enough to dnf… like that in itself is an issue and should be considered when assessing penalty points. Causing a collision and ruining your rival title contender opponents race but you can still score points because your only given a 10s penalty is wild and you just proved a lot of people points from your statement in this part!!!
@@8tonystark8 it’s funny cuze they change rules all the time😂 I’m not sure but the moving under braking rule was implementing because of max’s driving style causing collisions and unsafe driving 😂 Google is free. Sorry you are new to f1 or something. Blinded by your opinions and feelings
Hey Tommo, idk if you already heard of this or not but i need to write this down. Can you please change your audio system or whatever to make your videos louder? I usually watch videos at 5 on my tv but on yours i have to put in on 20-25 to understand what your saying .. the main problem about this is when theres an advertise my whole house hearing everything 😢 + i cant watch you on my laptop cuz he just really cant be so loud to hear ya. Would be nice if you can change something with best greetings 🫡
A perfectly fair and unbiased analysis of the Grand Prix. Great job Tommo 👏🏽 ( I haven’t watched a second of the chinwag )
Thank you for your dellusion support. 🙌
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I called haas double points but I didn’t expect hulk to do that good lol
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Absolutely cooked 💯
Tommo: You’re sat there on the toilet..
Me: *Actually sitting on the toilet* How does he know..? 🤔🤣
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I feel so called out.
Oh God, me too! 😮😂
Get out of my bathroom, perv! Haha. Ok, me too.
He’s got cameras everywhere, does Tommo.
I think Daniel Ricciardo lowkey had one of the best drives in that race. The RB has taken a huge step back since Barcelona with the new updates. It's still not a top 10 car but Danny Ric punched above his weight big time to finish 9th, and he was only 6 seconds behind Hulk in the Haas which was clearly a faster car. You have to compare team-mates and Tsunoda was no-where to be seen.
It's also not really been spoken about, but Daniel Ricciardo has lowkey beaten Tsunoda the past 3 weekends in a row. Finally seeing some consistency with him now. He's gearing up for a strong 2nd part of the year.
He needs to keep on it now. Turn that 3 into 15. Only then, has he got a shot at Checo's seat.
@@TommoMcCluskeyproblem is that Tsynoda is quick
Yeah but why did he beat yuki? because he got blocked in quali couldnt do a second run and because his team gave him a absolute terrible strategy. And barcelona the car was nowhere
@@keramik1269Yuki was nowhere near Daniel even in the first stint where they were on the same tires Yuki got pass Alonso and was losing massive time to Daniel n the others ahead it’s just been a terrible 3 race streak for Yuki which is why he’ll never get the Redbull seat
@@keramik1269 he didn’t get blocked in quali
*Max vs Lando Topic*
Go back & watch Max vs Sainz Lap 26 of Austria 2023.
Sainz moves under braking, Max backs off, puts his wheel 'off track'
Uses DRS to pass on the next straight for a clean overtake.
And I agree, if Lando had dipped onto the kerb, he almost definitely would've got the move done into T4. He had DRS.
This is exactly why I don’t understand why people are acting like Lando was entirely innocent…..if his race craft wasn’t a bunch of desperate dive bombs he would’ve easily gotten the move done for sure and would’ve never been in that position to begin with
@@NewscasterNews4 Because according to the rule book he is entirely innocent. He doesn't HAVE to use the room on the kerb he has.
@@Nox_Desiree him being innocent by the rule book doesn’t change the fact that he lost 10 points to Max because he didn’t finish the race 🤷♂️ this is exactly why people say Lando doesn’t have a championship mentality. Max doesn’t care about maintaining his friendship or racing Lando “by the book”, all he cares about is winning - which is exactly why he’s the best in the business rn
Bruh, that Red Bull could pass anywhere it wanted last year. Different mentality, as Verstappen can afford to be way more patient
First of all the damage was his fault he pushed Oscar off .Then speeded in the pit lane like a rookie ,and he talks about damage affecting his performance ,he stayed in the drs to hulk for around 20 laps he could clearly keep up with him so he clearly had the pace to pass and hulk played like a triangle
Checo’s damage was caused by his driving. So he still deserves the criticism about the result.
If Haas has a hundred fans, then I am one of them. If Haas has ten fans, then I am one of them. If Haas has only one fan, then that is me. If Haas has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against Haas, then I am against the world.
Another GenA joke popular these few days
@@8tonystark8 Nah this joke has been around since 2015 at least lol, far before Gen A could scratch on their iPads
Hello Gene
I think while lando could’ve used more curb and avoid the contact; by the rule book he isn’t obligated to use more curb and is entitled to a cars width from the white line no matter what.
(Probably😭)
The British media is not objective with Max, do I really need to bring back evidence and quotes from 2021 again? C'mon Tommo. Anyway I do agree that anyone accusing you of being biased against Max despite the fact you've given him so much praise even in 2021 is an idiot.
They called the facts what it was and sometimes let max get away with some crazy things. They now are speaking up about 2021 besides the human error robbery. Max was driving like that all 21. They let things go at some points…
Using this section as a place for a semi-unrelated quick rant: I’m so tired of (mostly sky) pundits saying “were they (max in this case) punished harshly enough? It ended landos race entirely.” Like, you’ve been at this for over a decade-how many times do you need to be reminded that penalties are BASED ON THE INCIDENT, not the outcome. That was a very light, run of the mill contact that by chance had a race-ending outcome.
Yep, fully agree. You can't judge based on the outcome.
The bigger news of the weekend is that Danica Patrick was sacked from the Sky F1 team for believing Lizard People are real and control the government.
Talking to my gf that, this was hulk's best finish since 2019, she's like "why's he still driving?" and my head going through the fact he made it in a hass, and since then, never had a car to make so. simply lovely
by the way, love all the biased analysis and the "this are my rating, my opinion" thing. cheers from Brasil
Time to dump the gf
gf needs to scrub up on her wheel knowledge
I enjoyed the weekend. I am an Oscar fan, he’s my boy. I’m with you with the track limits here, unnecessary. I will say that the limit of the track got wider in a way, as gravel was pushed away from the curb making it easier for the wheel to hang without being punished, but as you say that’s an oversight. Letter of the law my boi Puff went outside the line, but it’s just a bit harsh. I think they need to put something there that doesn’t move, whether it be thick grass to slow you down or whatever, then remove limits. Anyway, great review. Keep it up! ❤
It's just a silly oversight in the rule. But there we go. Glad you enjoyed!
The most exciting race in 3 years is only a 7?!
8 easy for race rating
Imagine how toxic and insane would F1 community be in the 80s, 90s and 00s if social media existed
Honestly. Senna x Prost would be generational toxicity.
Hi Tommo!
Of course I am late, but it was an extremely enjoyable live race weekend for me.
I even had the chance to meet nearly every driver and some of the team bosses as well.
Meeting Oscar and Ollie was the best for me of course :)
All the important talking points you covered perfectly as always.
So I just want to add a small inside to Komatsu as team principal, because I was meeting him at the team truck where he analysed the tyres, exactly as last year.
So he is still so much involved into the details, which is impressive for me.
And I could even pick up a part of Landos tyre.
So thats a very special souvenir of course :)
Glad you had a good time Kira, it's a quality venue and event for sure! 🙌
I agree it is lazy for people to criticize you for being bias against Max because you are British but it is also lazy of you to ignore the fact that Max's hate stems primarily from the British media and you just happen to be British media. I'm not saying Max is a media darling but the British hate is real especially when you see most reactions after the race yesterday and the repetitive mention of 2021 as if 2022, 2023 and the 2024 season upto the sprint race on Saturday are now irrelevant.
What I love about Max is that in next race in Silverstone, he will put off the British media BS questions who will all be hogging on to this one incidence, and do what he does best......and that is drive and compete. Can't wait for next race
tommo: consistently says max is the best driver in f1 right now
comments: cant believe the british bias from tommo wow everyone from england hates him
The fact that Tommo is Brit media didn't matter. If people jump on that is on them for being knee jerks.
@@arglebargle5531 I agree. I think I should have used 'critic' instead of 'bias'. It just feels like most of the media who just happen to be mostly British are more hateful than critic of Max and that is shown by the constant reference of 2021.
Weren’t we supposed to “drive it out” in 2022 when Hamilton got jeered by Verstappen fans?
But all these years later it’s free game for British media to go after Verstappen, riling up the British fans for Silverstone? I wonder how they will react to Verstappen?
Sky are complicit in this hatred and toxicity spread online and in the grandstands
Frustrating to see Leclerc out of the race due to slight contact with Oscar. Why can't the front wings be designed to fit within the outer edge of the front wheels so end plates won't pop off with any kind of contact?
Such a good point, I understand the importance of aero and it’s sensitivities but the cars being much more durable would be overall good for the sport and racing imo. Kind of like how F1 used to be and how Indycar currently is. Those guys practically play bumper cars and the things keep trucking at full pace lol
The 2026 regs do fix this specific issue at least.
@@MoonSafariFilms Do they? Initial 2026 concept car shows a front wing every bit as large as the current wings.
Wommo
The problem with the track limits discussion about how the space between the white line and the gravel, is that F1 cars change dimensions over time. So going with the argument of just move the white line so the cars physically can’t fit between them, is that then you’d have to change the racetrack itself every time f1 cars change dimensions. Like in ‘26 when the cars get narrower.
Really wouldn’t take that much effort... Regulations change every 5 or so years on average, and it’s not that much of a change. These things are also moved for other motorsports not just f1
@@dangraycon yeah it occurred to me after I had posted that it’s likely just some paint, I was thinking that the curb itself would need to be moved but looking at the photo, I think there’s enough space to edge the white line a bit further out and fix the issue
If going off track is slightly faster or advantageous who cares? Sure track limits create controversy but its really lame.
They are getting narrower yes, by 10cm. So if they lop off 20cm, that's the track sorted from 2025 til the next NEXT regs in like 2030 minimum. I think that's fine. With safety standards being what they are, I don't see the cars getting much smaller anyway.
There is nothing wrong in acknowledging bias and favourites
Completely unbiased analysis on the race weekend 🙌🏼 Also, hugely biased opinion on England's quality on the Euro '24 😂
I don’t think people are realizing that DOTD vote ends a few laps before the race ends. People probably voted for lando before the collision with max
yup, this needs to be acknowledged when incidents at the end of the race significantly effect who people would vote for. who I voted for when the voting opened is not who I would have voted for after the race and I’m sure that’s the case for many people
I think because Oscar went all 4 wheels outside the white line then his lap has to be deleted according to the rule, I don't think he lost enough time from the gravel to mitigate the track limit violation, I think its different when something like Lando in china sprint qualy happens as he clearly lost a lot of time in the gravel, but I would love them to move the gravel closer so that you can't go 4 wheels outside the line without touching gravel
He technically did go all 4 wheels out, absolutely. I'm arguing that at that corner specifically, it should not be possible to do that and not actually dip into the gravel. If the gravel was like 20cm closer, he'd have dipped, lost time, and there would be no need to enforce track limits at that corner.
@@TommoMcCluskey couldn't agree more, atleast it was better than 2023 lol
I have to say I disagree with your opinion on Oscar's track limit violation. In my opinion that is a very "theoretical" approach you're taking but in reality we don't know every single variable. Even the cars have different width (although no car should be more than 2 meters wide). Let's say the redbull is the widest at exactly 200cm and the williams is the "slimmest" at 195cm. If you place the gravel 195cm outside the lines, then the redbull won't be able to use the turn at its fullest; if you place the gravel 200cm outside the line then the williams will be able to leave the track and not touch the gravel by centimeters (which is what happened to Oscar).
I think you should just have limits everywhere. If someone touches the gravel, therefore not gaining an advantage, move on, but if they are outside and don't touch the gravel, just give him a track limit violation
So make the gravel trap 100cm from the rumple strip. That way all cars can only run half the car on it. And still be well within track limits
Nice one Tommo. Agree Max deserved penalty. Also agree that Landos reaction was totally OTT. He needs to manage his emotions better. Lol about the bias and SM commentary.
Totally trust ADs analysis and agree with what he had to say. Satisfied he makes his comments in good faith as does Peter Windsor who has an opposing view.
I'm sorry but that track limit rant was too much. Especially when you called it "a tiny grey area" when there isn't one. Track limits are annoying but it is black and white. if you cross the white line with 4 wheels, you're out of track. It's as simple as that. If all the others could followed the rules, why should one driver be rewarded for breaking them?
Redbull was just doing what they normally do. Max Crashstappen and perez being mid
Re: the track limits thing, I do think we need to remember that the reason we have track limits working in the way we do is because everyone complained about the lack of consistency they used to have, where they tracked track limits on some corners and not others. We can't both have complete consistency in track limits AND rely on natural deterrents, it sort of is one or the other.
Not only did Haas have a fantastic weekend, but Magnussen was dealing with a PU issue aswell which makes it even better
Aston Martin doesn't have an Aston Martin engine. Just sayin😊
Tommo I think Lewis had that experience from 2016 when Nico tried driving him off and he turned to take a line and had a crash. 2018 he avoids more.
15:03 HOW DARE YOU 🤬
Esteban Ocon had floor damage!!!
Anyone else watch the argument in the live chat at the end lol
I wish Tommo could make a video discussing different driving styles and characteristics of different cars. For instance I’d love to know who besides Max would prefer a highly sensitive and pointy car like RedBull.
Have you seen any of Peter Windsors stuff?
I haven't even gotten to bangers and clangers but I feel like the predictions gunna be wrong as fuck😂
Russell is absolutely on it this year. He deserves more credit.
1:31:38 Mb I meant in the first half of the season 🙃
I appreciate your balanced opinion. But I don't see how you can come to the conclusion that Max forced Lando off the track deliberately after the flat tyre. He was in my opinion clearing the racing line, knowing he could not make speed again. If Lando had good tires, he would have passed him on the left, on the racing line. If Lando had a puncture, he would stay behind Max, also clearing the racing line. Now passing on the right with deflated tyre is crazy. I don't think you can ask Max to even consider that possibility. And Max was proven right. Lando destroyed his own car by driving way too fast with a flat tyre.
I completely agree with your view on track limits.
Niels Wittichs interpretation of the rule is such a big shame, because he completely ignore the 2nd part of the rule "and gaining an advantage."
And it is a slap into the face for Spielberg as well, because they invest so much money and effort into these temporary gravel strips.
The white line marshal on our post was even telling me, that they was just monitoring F3 and Porsche Cup.
So there was no track limits for F1 and F2, but Niels just want to stamp his authority.
Peter Windsor said in his review that Max' onboards Show he didn't move his steering wheel but the track curves slightly to the right which makes it look like he turned left.
uhhh yuki inconsistent that weekend? It was more team strat than his driving. He got undercut multiple times. +3s gap ahead stroll and albon just got evaporated.
I can't understand how people think Piastri was the banger drive and yet you are saying no chance for Norris. Without Max crashing into Norris, Piastri finishes 25 seconds behind his teammate and it is another poor race...
Oscar went over track limits, he didnt get punished by the gravel, so he was punished by the stewards. The gravel is a replacement for lap deletion, he went over the line and got one of them, so why does it matter?
I do feel like that entire rant about track limits is a bit misplaced since you're essentially advocating that they should have just taken the long way around the gravel trap for extra speed.
People are blaming Charles for getting squeezed because he qualified p6 but the same thing happened in Mexico last year for Charles when he got pole. Charles just has incredibly bad luck
No, Charles should have deliberately slowed down in Mexico so he qualified P3 and got the slipstream.
(I'm kidding, of course)
50:50
This is another incorrect statement by farrrrrrrrr!!!! They didn’t penalize max correctly because he moved under braking 3!!!!! Different occasions.
He only got penalized that 10 second penalty because he eventually cause Lando his race.
If they gave max the 10 second penalty for driving under braking, that crash would’ve never happened!! Come on man be better…
This might be a dumb question, where do I get a shirt like that
I checked like 3 hours before and there was no schedule so i missed it 😭
tommo consistently top of my current UA-cam watch every day. goat
Muchos gracias 🫡
1:18:16
It was clear even without a penalty but max didn’t even get a WARNING!!!!!!!!!! For moving under braking 3 TIMES!!!!!!!!!!
We’ve seen drivers get warnings very quick for doing 1 move under braking. Max gets no warning at ALL!!!!!!!!
He’s getting the 2021 treatment😂
2 hours of tommo. What a great day
I think it can be easy to maybe lose a little faith in lando’s ability after austria but i will say in his defence that the mclaren, despite how good a car it has become, is still one of the worse in straight line speed and with DRS-pretty much the polar opposite to Red Bull. That lends to having to be more aggressive with these divebombs when the pace is so similar.
Max was still driving into Lando's line when he had a puncture and couldn't know Lando had one. He drives like he thinks he is entitled to win. Quick to cry and moan when someone else does something like this to him.
Russell was a 'dickhead' when he drove like this against Max, but Max maintains he's done nothing wrong. The guy is a fatanstic driver and a fantastic prick.
It seems like when Max is genuinely concerned about being overtaken, he puts the overtaking driver in a lose-lose situation. Either they back out and stay second all race, or they crash.
So like Senna/Schumacher?
Tommo, you have emphasized driving styles correctly. So, who do you think could drive a pointy RB comfortably apart from max?
Leclerc definitely could
41:16 this is the problem with this statement…
Why should drivers YIELD TO MAX JUST BECAUSE HE DRIVERS OVER THE LIMIT!!!!!!!!!
WHYYYYYYYY!!!!!! I say let all the drivers keep doing that so max can keep showing his true colors and him getting penalized easier moving forward because of how he drives.
It shouldn’t be the responsibility of everyone else to yield to max because he drives a crashtappen style strategy.
Not everyone is going to be passive like Lewis in 2021…
44:10 max was doing that dive bomb move all season in 2021 u fairly and off track over the limit moves, AD21 divebomb stewards were going based off how terrorizing he was being all season and let that move go for Lewis.
You are trying to be to neural here but missing the objective points that makes maxs moves over the limit and illegal man. You have to take the facts for what they are.
41:16 this is the problem with this statement…
Why should drivers YIELD TO MAX JUST BECAUSE HE DRIVERS OVER THE LIMIT!!!!!!!!!
WHYYYYYYYY!!!!!! I say let all the drivers keep doing that so max can keep showing his true colors and him getting penalized easier moving forward because of how he drives.
It shouldn’t be the responsibility of everyone else to yield to max because he drives a crashtappen style strategy.
Not everyone is going to be passive like Lewis in 2021…
44:10 max was doing that dive bomb move all season in 2021 u fairly and off track over the limit moves, AD21 divebomb stewards were going based off how terrorizing he was being all season and let that move go for Lewis.
You are trying to be to neural here but missing the objective points that makes maxs moves over the limit and illegal man. You have to take the facts for what they are.
43:15 That's really interesting, because I'm the complete opposite. I think Lewis was right to keep that position, and Max was right to keep it this time too. Lando's divebombing was really clumsy, and I don't think other drivers should be encourages to be cleaner.
Max has driven like this his entire career and for some reason the narrative is always that the other person has to back out to save their race. Done it to Lewis countless times, did it to Mick for just a points finish at Silverstone and now Lando. He has great single lap pace, but can’t wheel to wheel race for more than one lap without crashing into the other person
My point exactly. Why does everyone else have to compromise their driving style for max? Why should everyone else have to avoid contact because max drives insanely over the limit
@@livefast-xc8lm But from Sainz's move on Verstappen in 2023 we see that this wasn't a 'we yield or we crash' moment. Obviously Verstappen was at fault for the crash but Norris could go slightly onto the kerb, prioritize getting a better exit and overtake Max after the corner like Verstappen did when Sainz left him no room last year. This crash was overall nothing special compared to what we see happen all the time, it's just blown up massively due to it being for the lead and for which drivers were involved. You didn't see people complain when Norris forced Verstappen onto the grass in Spain, but when Verstappen leaves Norris too little space it's suddenly the end of the world
@@cijfermanful ^ 💯
@@cijfermanful overall it a widely know that max races like that. He was a reputation for a reason. He’s known as crashtappen for a reason. The fia implemented moving under braking because of max. It’s not like he’s known for being a clean driver his whole career. No ones making this up.
@@cijfermanful I understand what you’re saying, but whenever he hasn’t had the best car by far it seems to happen much more with Max
Styles make fights. I think Russell is the only driver that can take it to Verstappen. Not saying he is faster than Leclerc but he's the only one who doesn't back down, when his car atleast has a chance to be ahead. Leclerc and Norris give him too much respect.
Norris didn't back off this time and look what happened, max hit him
Russel lacks the race craft to fight Max. His style also doesn’t matter when Max would rather use his car as battering ram.
@@JohnnyB-w8j nah you're wrong. When he has the car to atleast defend or attack, even if it wasn't faster than the Redbull, he got his elbows out and made it difficult. Everyone else waves and salutes him by. We will know for sure when Merc have the second or joint fastest car.
Leclerc litteraly beat Max on Red Bulls homeground in 22’. Watch how Leclerc battles Max vs how Lando battles him. It’s pretty clear that Leclerc knows when the move is on and that he can make the overtake stick.
Lando, all weekend long, was so desperate to get ahead he always outbroke himself or let Max get through on the exit.
Had Lando set himself better up in the exits of corners he’d clear Max pretty fast, the Mclaren was a lot quicker than the Red Bull on low fuel, clearly.
@@saahil_xdbecause Lando doesn’t know how to race. You can’t just send a bunch of desperate divebombs and expect to get by
Why wasn't Lando given a grid penalty for driving his damaged car back to pits like Pérez was in Canada?
Make a video on why Pato O'ward is the best Perez replacement.
Pros: They can most likely keep the Mexican Sponsorship.
He is obviously faster then Perez.
Has a Super Licence.
Cons: Has a McLaren contract.
So Schumacher had like 3 really big crashes and thats about it. Other than that he was pretty much faster than Kevin since Canada. Tommo just rewatch the season before you speak please.
The contact was 100% Landos fault
1:02:11 is this not still considered luck? Max managing to cause a collision and still finish 5th because his car wasn’t that banged up but his opponents was enough to dnf… like that in itself is an issue and should be considered when assessing penalty points. Causing a collision and ruining your rival title contender opponents race but you can still score points because your only given a 10s penalty is wild and you just proved a lot of people points from your statement in this part!!!
They are not going to change the rules after decades just because of your comment
@@8tonystark8 it’s funny cuze they change rules all the time😂 I’m not sure but the moving under braking rule was implementing because of max’s driving style causing collisions and unsafe driving 😂 Google is free. Sorry you are new to f1 or something. Blinded by your opinions and feelings
No way im watching 1hour and 40 minutes of this. I appreciate the content but this could really be condensed.
I mean, it's interactive and live chat based. It's gonna take a bit longer.
heres an idea just watch it in the bacground whilst you do somthing like clean or whatever
it also was a live stream
Tommo when Kevin Letchford dosent watch his livestream:😨
The Chinwag is meant to be a long form talk anyway.
Hey Tommo, idk if you already heard of this or not but i need to write this down. Can you please change your audio system or whatever to make your videos louder? I usually watch videos at 5 on my tv but on yours i have to put in on 20-25 to understand what your saying .. the main problem about this is when theres an advertise my whole house hearing everything 😢 + i cant watch you on my laptop cuz he just really cant be so loud to hear ya. Would be nice if you can change something with best greetings 🫡