Hurdles: 3 for scrapman, 2 for kan, 1 for moombo. Targets: 3 for moombo and kan, 1 for scrapman. Bale: 3 for moombo, 2 for scrapman and kan. Total: 7 for Moombo and Kan, 6 for scrapman I don't know what kind of strange math Scrapman was trying to pull in order to not be the last...
@@notanagger4861 I do believe in official ties, if it is a tie for first place there is no second place and third place would be the next closest figure.
Not quite, IF one counts the ties consistently that is. If you put a tie 1 place lower for each, which they don't, the score would be: SM 3 1 1 = 5 kAN 2 2 1 = 5 MB 1 2 3 = 6 and Our Moonboi wins If you put a tie 1 place higher for each, which they consistently do: SM 3 2 2 = 7 kAN 2 3 2 = 7 MB 1 3 3 = 7 And thus everyone is a winner! And to be honest, I do think WE are the winners of the SM:MM anyway and every time.
Due to the fact that the markers for where the bales land, are locked to a grid the accuracy should be no more finer than whole block measurements so I suggest that it should count as a tie!
it's simple. when you have 2 kids how do you get them to agree on a split. you have kid A split, and kid B pick first. Scrapman would be kid A in this scenario, and just so happened to not split it even enough. thus Kan won the bigger piece.
When I first saw Moonbo's train I was expecting him to get first place on hay bale throwing event because his mechanism is more like a roller than a launcher. As long as you can roll that hay bale and hit straight to the flag noone can beat you. The best they can do is a tie. Great job man!
It's a tie, in metrology you would round up to the smallest unit you're able to precisely measure or use an interval of the 2 closest, in SM that unit is the grid you place the markers on, in which case kAN and Scrapman are on roughly the same block distance or within the same block distance interval so they tie and apparently everyone wins.
Actually hitboxes are not all solid cubes. A button or switch takes up a fraction of the cube. Maybe if they put a switch at the end it would swing past scrapmans but not kans. Remember feet, miles, and meters are just made up measurements that became standards therefore 14 blocks and a switch would be an accurate measurable distance.
@@swskitso All of the blocks are still placed on a grid, my point was the MARKERS used to symbolise how close the bales were are tied to the grid, you can't place an entity on a fractional coordinate, no matter what shape or size the hitbox is. The difference in a fraction of blocs is due to the difference in angles relative to the grid, not block-wise distance. As such the minute difference is within the error bars of the marker precision (1 block).
I agree the markers are tied to the grid but as they showed here the measuring stick can measure as the crow flies. The position of the bales was not tied to the grid and could have been measured more accurately with a feeler gauge if they had not been deleted. Using the same method demonstrated they could have added one block at a time till they felt it was best to add a smaller item and work their way up until making contact. Thats the simple method. I understand why you assume blocks are the measurement to go by but you forget the block itself can be measured in pixels and the pixels clearly show kans win. If you want to lock measurement to the grid then you must count blocks on both axis, adding them together will show kan as the shorter distance likely by 1 block. Or you could do more complicated math, pythagorean theorem, which will show the fractional difference.
@@swskitso you're mixing up the 2 points. The marker is accurate to within a block in both axes, the measuring stick is accurate to whatever hitbox you use in a radius from the pole. They deleted the bales after putting down the marker so already the results are within a block at best, whatever hypothetical you want to spin is irrelevant.
For the final tie where you spent 30 minutes measuring who won, you could measure the distance on X and Y and convert it into radial using angle and real distance
my idea for the jumping is that you can have the wheels lock up in place and then jump, so that the wheels dont go off the track, and since its a straight line, you can build up speed and make it since the more speed the less angle you will have in a certain length. For the target i would have half the wheels on electric engines, while half on an electric engine with a switch so you can activate cruise control as if you were in the seat when you aren't. it would be like: electric engine to seat and electric engine to switch.
Make a challenge where you're 2 teams, and have to build a vehicle together, BUT, you can't communicate with each other, and have to place one block in each turn. Would be fun to see what the vehicle ends up as and how it performs in a race
Multilayer Monday idea! Let scrapman kan and moonbo mess around with all their previous multiplayer monday creations for 20 mins. No challenge just mess around
You guys could try a plane challenge where you take off regularly, set the plane to fly on a switch, get out of your seat (while somehow staying on your plane) then try and shoot targets, get back in your seat and land the plane successfully. Don't know if it would be possible but could be fun.
Moonbo and Kan tied for the win in the olympic clearly! The following placements in each round were: kan - 2, 1, 2 = 5 scrap - 1, 3, 2 = 6 moonbo- 3, 1, 1 = 5 (The one with the lowest total wins) Important note: when there is a tie, the next place skips one. So a tie for first eg. Amelia:1 Bob:1 Charlie: 3. In this game, the second round Kan and Moonbo tied for 1st, so Scrapman got 3rd; for the third round, kan and Scrapman tied for the 2nd place (as they were roughly the same point within error).
to clarify because it is confusing that you have the lower place with a higher total number. score wise they got 3 points for 1st, 2 points for 2nd, and 1 point for 3rd Kan - 2, 3, 2 - 7 points Scrap - 3, 1, 2 - 6 points moonbo - 1, 3, 3 - 7 points
@@LIEFDEenHAAT Yeah, both works, either you use the placements, and the one with the lowest total wins. Or, you convert the place to points and the one with the most points wins. Sorry it wasn't clear.
Could have gone the super accurate route and measures that right triangles from the center. Just get side A and B and solve for C. Would have gotten you the absolute result.
the marker they used to measure to is locked to a grid (which could effect the accuracy of the initial marker) thus the accuracy should be only measured to the whole block.
Hey kAN, I have a question, can I use your hexapod walker mechanism to make walking cars from my friend's cars? Of course I'll link it in the description
Why not do a challenge of this, build a course and have 15 mins to build any vehicle you like. Rules are no glitches no thrusters and has to be built in the 15 minute timer
Well ScrapMan 'cheated' at the sharpshooter one. He did not come as second but as third behind Moonbo and kAN so he would only got one point instead of two. So even if the second place is shared between him and kAN at the longtoss challenge and he got two point he only would have 6, and that would make him third at the Olympics either way.
Assuming high points better, 3 points for 1st, 2 for 2nd, 1 for 3rd. Event 1 Scrapman 3, Kan 2, Moonbo 1 Event 2 (1st and 2nd tie 3+2=5points divided between 2) Kan 2.5, Moonbo 2.5, Scrapman 1 Event 3 (2nd and 3rd tie 2+1=3 divided between 2 Moonbo 3, Kan 1.5, Scrapman 1.5 Total is thus Moonbo 6.5, Kan 6, Scrapman 5.5
The way i bet with friends, if you mention something like margin of error, but wait until after the results are read out of your favor, the argument is tossed out. Not that it isnt true or not, its just a a fair way to promote being objective
Hey Kan I got some more theories on scrap mechanic for you there by jotrain gamer on his chanel and the video is the scrap mechanic iceberg explained when you get some free time you should look at this video some time
Hurdles: 3 for scrapman, 2 for kan, 1 for moombo.
Targets: 3 for moombo and kan, 1 for scrapman.
Bale: 3 for moombo, 2 for scrapman and kan.
Total: 7 for Moombo and Kan, 6 for scrapman
I don't know what kind of strange math Scrapman was trying to pull in order to not be the last...
Scrapman got 2 in targets, not one. Since moonbo and kan tied first place scrapman got second.
@@notanagger4861 I do believe in official ties, if it is a tie for first place there is no second place and third place would be the next closest figure.
Not quite, IF one counts the ties consistently that is.
If you put a tie 1 place lower for each, which they don't, the score would be:
SM 3 1 1 = 5
kAN 2 2 1 = 5
MB 1 2 3 = 6 and Our Moonboi wins
If you put a tie 1 place higher for each, which they consistently do:
SM 3 2 2 = 7
kAN 2 3 2 = 7
MB 1 3 3 = 7
And thus everyone is a winner!
And to be honest, I do think WE are the winners of the SM:MM anyway and every time.
It's a video game people who cares lol. It's all about the fun
@@Death_Vail666 You're free to not care about video games. Please let other people care about them in peace 🕊️
Due to the fact that the markers for where the bales land, are locked to a grid the accuracy should be no more finer than whole block measurements so I suggest that it should count as a tie!
Agreed
Surely instead of a straight line measurement they could have used the x/y offsets to calculate the distance using Pythagoras' theorum.
@@MagicalPorkChop That would yield the same result.
There are ways of increasing your precision even with the locked grid by using angles and trigonometry. Lookup sine bars for reference
@@xEclipse56x No, the imprecision is a factor of the bales landing with floating precision but the markers being locked to a grid.
it's simple. when you have 2 kids how do you get them to agree on a split. you have kid A split, and kid B pick first. Scrapman would be kid A in this scenario, and just so happened to not split it even enough. thus Kan won the bigger piece.
When I first saw Moonbo's train I was expecting him to get first place on hay bale throwing event because his mechanism is more like a roller than a launcher. As long as you can roll that hay bale and hit straight to the flag noone can beat you. The best they can do is a tie. Great job man!
It's a tie, in metrology you would round up to the smallest unit you're able to precisely measure or use an interval of the 2 closest, in SM that unit is the grid you place the markers on, in which case kAN and Scrapman are on roughly the same block distance or within the same block distance interval so they tie and apparently everyone wins.
Actually hitboxes are not all solid cubes.
A button or switch takes up a fraction of the cube.
Maybe if they put a switch at the end it would swing past scrapmans but not kans.
Remember feet, miles, and meters are just made up measurements that became standards therefore 14 blocks and a switch would be an accurate measurable distance.
@@swskitso All of the blocks are still placed on a grid, my point was the MARKERS used to symbolise how close the bales were are tied to the grid, you can't place an entity on a fractional coordinate, no matter what shape or size the hitbox is. The difference in a fraction of blocs is due to the difference in angles relative to the grid, not block-wise distance. As such the minute difference is within the error bars of the marker precision (1 block).
Also, it's a bit of pedantry but most SI units haven't been arbitrary for decades, they are tied to universal "constants".
I agree the markers are tied to the grid but as they showed here the measuring stick can measure as the crow flies.
The position of the bales was not tied to the grid and could have been measured more accurately with a feeler gauge if they had not been deleted. Using the same method demonstrated they could have added one block at a time till they felt it was best to add a smaller item and work their way up until making contact. Thats the simple method.
I understand why you assume blocks are the measurement to go by but you forget the block itself can be measured in pixels and the pixels clearly show kans win.
If you want to lock measurement to the grid then you must count blocks on both axis, adding them together will show kan as the shorter distance likely by 1 block. Or you could do more complicated math, pythagorean theorem, which will show the fractional difference.
@@swskitso you're mixing up the 2 points. The marker is accurate to within a block in both axes, the measuring stick is accurate to whatever hitbox you use in a radius from the pole. They deleted the bales after putting down the marker so already the results are within a block at best, whatever hypothetical you want to spin is irrelevant.
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I think you won Kan :)
Canadians are always the true winners
even when we might seem like we lost
For the final tie where you spent 30 minutes measuring who won, you could measure the distance on X and Y and convert it into radial using angle and real distance
I think you have to much faith in their collective brain power. Lol
@@docha_tiarna9318 I mean kan does have an engineering degree so I think he *might* have a chance
That gets you the same result in that the distances are equal when considering the margin of error in the measurement (locked to the grid).
You do realize that the rotating stick does that exact thing without having to involve any math, right?
@@xEclipse56x but doing it gives you the exact distance, so no error and quicker check
I guess you could say y'all were TRAINing for this.
it would have been so nice if you had use smart target that count the point on their own with a beck display to count faster
my idea for the jumping is that you can have the wheels lock up in place and then jump, so that the wheels dont go off the track, and since its a straight line, you can build up speed and make it since the more speed the less angle you will have in a certain length. For the target i would have half the wheels on electric engines, while half on an electric engine with a switch so you can activate cruise control as if you were in the seat when you aren't. it would be like: electric engine to seat and electric engine to switch.
This is my most favorite video in the whole of UA-cam
Thank you so much for making this video
I love locomotives
Make a challenge where you're 2 teams, and have to build a vehicle together, BUT, you can't communicate with each other, and have to place one block in each turn. Would be fun to see what the vehicle ends up as and how it performs in a race
You are still my fav UA-camr since childhood
He's on that train grind you know!
Multilayer Monday idea! Let scrapman kan and moonbo mess around with all their previous multiplayer monday creations for 20 mins. No challenge just mess around
Nobody:
Literally nobody:
Scrap man on a Monday: WWWWUUUUUUELCOMELADIESANDGENTLEMEN
16th! Good job Kan, you are so cool!
The next MM yall should do wall climbing with plungers
You guys could try a plane challenge where you take off regularly, set the plane to fly on a switch, get out of your seat (while somehow staying on your plane) then try and shoot targets, get back in your seat and land the plane successfully. Don't know if it would be possible but could be fun.
now we need Camodo back in Multiplayer Monday, then the ol’ gang is back together
Moonbo and Kan tied for the win in the olympic clearly! The following placements in each round were:
kan - 2, 1, 2 = 5
scrap - 1, 3, 2 = 6
moonbo- 3, 1, 1 = 5
(The one with the lowest total wins)
Important note: when there is a tie, the next place skips one. So a tie for first eg. Amelia:1 Bob:1 Charlie: 3.
In this game, the second round Kan and Moonbo tied for 1st, so Scrapman got 3rd; for the third round, kan and Scrapman tied for the 2nd place (as they were roughly the same point within error).
to clarify because it is confusing that you have the lower place with a higher total number.
score wise they got
3 points for 1st, 2 points for 2nd, and 1 point for 3rd
Kan - 2, 3, 2 - 7 points
Scrap - 3, 1, 2 - 6 points
moonbo - 1, 3, 3 - 7 points
@@LIEFDEenHAAT Yeah, both works, either you use the placements, and the one with the lowest total wins. Or, you convert the place to points and the one with the most points wins. Sorry it wasn't clear.
Suggestion: do one of these but every game the losers get to add a block each to the winners vehicle, I would have 5+ challenges
I would’ve done a no friction block ring around the train for jumping so when I jump it would always stay upright
28:34 im pretty sure the Olympics wouldn't care that much for second place 1st place yeah but not second
Could have gone the super accurate route and measures that right triangles from the center. Just get side A and B and solve for C. Would have gotten you the absolute result.
You could easily just use the pythagorean theorem. I bet two smart boys like you could figure it out with math
I got one flying train and land back on the tracks and obstacles for the flying trains with the wings mod
Still kind of wish they would put in a train wheel, I mean it works well, but just be nice to know they still do some things to the game.
A three trained engine wacky race would have been amazing.
They could just measure the width and length of their markers and then use the Pythagorean theorem to find the exact distance.
Idea , best train built on a corner, may not be possible but idea
all points are equal, therefore the winner is the audience
You should have used the pythagorian theorem to determine the last test
I vote tie. This was awesome
Since moombo and kan tied for the target you two should have done another target round
A fraction of a block IS enough to matter
But the haybales themselves were measured using full blocks. So why should they suddenly switch to using fractions of blocks?
Use pythagorus triangle therum to get exact distance
I vote due to pixels being what they are, that was a tie. lol
An inch or a mile a win is a win
the marker they used to measure to is locked to a grid (which could effect the accuracy of the initial marker) thus the accuracy should be only measured to the whole block.
Kosmo was 1, kan was 2, and scrapman was 3
Most controversial ending to a Multiplayer Monday competition. Totally not biased, but kAN wins.
You both hit the same 2 dead center
TRAINSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH
Hey kAN, I have a question, can I use your hexapod walker mechanism to make walking cars from my friend's cars? Of course I'll link it in the description
Yet another train video how unexpected
Yup the second place goes to Kan.
MULTIPLAYER MONDAY TIME
I think you need a tie breaker event
Why not do a challenge of this, build a course and have 15 mins to build any vehicle you like. Rules are no glitches no thrusters and has to be built in the 15 minute timer
Next time create a triangel and calculatie the diagnal
since ya'll are working on a grid ya''ll should have just done 1/2(b*h). I think you guys tied still but in the end ya''ll just had fun.
KAN=WINNER
Rematch the haybale rolling. Same track, same vehicles
Well ScrapMan 'cheated' at the sharpshooter one. He did not come as second but as third behind Moonbo and kAN so he would only got one point instead of two.
So even if the second place is shared between him and kAN at the longtoss challenge and he got two point he only would have 6, and that would make him third at the Olympics either way.
Assuming high points better, 3 points for 1st, 2 for 2nd, 1 for 3rd.
Event 1
Scrapman 3, Kan 2, Moonbo 1
Event 2 (1st and 2nd tie 3+2=5points divided between 2)
Kan 2.5, Moonbo 2.5, Scrapman 1
Event 3 (2nd and 3rd tie 2+1=3 divided between 2
Moonbo 3, Kan 1.5, Scrapman 1.5
Total is thus
Moonbo 6.5, Kan 6, Scrapman 5.5
Love it
1 more round would have decided that
What happened with the multiplayer with Cosmo?
neat
TRAINS!!!
A missed opportunity to call it a Trainathlon, intead of a Train Olympics...
The way i bet with friends, if you mention something like margin of error, but wait until after the results are read out of your favor, the argument is tossed out.
Not that it isnt true or not, its just a a fair way to promote being objective
Kan definitely won
Could have use basic vektor math to solve the tie.
I think Kan's was closer
Hey Kan I got some more theories on scrap mechanic for you there by jotrain gamer on his chanel and the video is the scrap mechanic iceberg explained when you get some free time you should look at this video some time
I haven't ever been this early wtf
kAN VICTORY!!!!
I introduce to you... Screw war I
Why don't you guys do the challenge like your Noob vs pro Loading and unloading train challenge
kan when you play railroads online please please do a load with class 70 with hyce and do a run to the coal min
Car and turned in to train Olympics
Trains. They don't do that.
The answer is 42
can you do some more derail valley
Moombo always Wins ..
Banana
i vote for kan
Kan is closer than scrapman
7 7 7 tie all
Kan wins no doubt
kan win
Why not just do a third tie breaker launch instead of debating the margin of error?
nice got here early
Hello
Kan first moonbo second srcapman third
kAN wins the last one
someone do some trig lol
Kan wins
Kan
Kan got second
Helllllllloooooooo kan
Why not add a little engine to the gravity trains like Betsy?
You won by a pixile
Can i play 1 time whit you in railroads online
kan won second
I vote ScrapMan loses and kAN and Moonbo win :P
kan wins
PLEASE JUST PYTHAGORAS,
I got
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