pancake only. Its far better, like nextgen. After playing quest 3 (before that i had Reverb G2) i will never back to fresnel. If i would choose between Quest 3 and 3s i would never get 3S. Sligthtly more money for "full 3", but far better image quality, pancake lens, and better FOV.
Fresnel. Lets way more light through which is always a good thing. You don't notice the blurry peripheral vision when you are immersed in a game anyways...
@@DiukPL Thats just my opinion bruther, as someone who has tried both. Do you know how pancake lenses work? They are completely different from Fresnel, and there is a reason not all headsets use them (even a lot of high-end headsets are still using Fresnel , i.e. VIVE Focus , or Aspheric like Pimax headsets - both of which transmit WAY more light than pancake lenses do). If pancake were the perfect lens technology, everyone would be using them - but they're not. The "folded optics" of pancake lenses comes with consequences. Fresnel lenses direct light a lot more efficiency than pancake do, so less light is lost, and I think that leads to less washed-out colors on Fresnel as well. To compensate for the poor light transmission of pancake, they just crank up the brightness to get to 100 nits, which hurts battery life and probably color accuracy.
This is all pretty much what I expected. Quest 2 looks great, Q3 looks best. Q3S is somewhere in-between. Or more like the Q3S is a noticeable upgrade in clarity from Q2.
As usual, the best comparison of visual quality. The labels for the headsets could perhaps be a little further up so that they are not overlapped by the controls when the video is paused.
3:43 right hand (Q3S): this is actually the quality we would need for every single shot. If the camera is out of focus or misaligned in some direction like in a lot of other shots, there is no fair comparison.
It seems that the change in sub pixels from 2 to 3s does alter the image slightly. Giving the image a slightly sharper look and the display seems to be brighter than quest 2.
Although the Quest 2 and Quest 3s have similar panels, they actually have a different sub pixel layout to each other, so the image quality can look different when compared. Ref Sadly it's Bradlry and ifixit.
@@BlackMarketHoney I looked it up and one says same and another says different. so no one has the correct spec's. or they are just not telling people and its a guessing game.
I don't think meta really knows! 😂 I just got V.72, ptc update. No new interface, not hide uninstalled apps, passthrough still warping. The only noticeable difference is the start up logo. Whoop Whoop! 😮💨
I'm curious to see what the difference between Quest 3 and Quest 3S would be if you set PCVR to the same resolution. I believe that the majority of people won't be able to play AAA PCVR games at max resolution anyway. For me, I would trade resolution for a higher refresh rate any day. I think it would be a very interesting test to see the actual difference between the lenses, so we don't get fooled by the higher resolution. Anyway, thank you for this video, you're helping a lot of people with valuable information.
Pancake lenses are a huge upgrade. I bought the Quest 3 just for the lenses. The biggest difference is that you can actually look around in the headset with your eyes and the image remains sharp all around the lenses. This is more natural, like how you look around in real life. However, with fresnel lenses, you can only look through the middle of the lenses for clarity because the periphery of fresnel lenses is blurry. So, you have to physically turn your head more to look around to keep things sharp. If the headset moves slightly on your head, or your IPD does not match the 3 presets, you get a more blurry image. It is worse on PSVR2 fresnel lenses as the sweet spot is even smaller.
@BlackMarketHoney, you’re 100% right. Yesterday, I got the Quest 3S mainly because I wouldn’t be able to play HLA at 90Hz in native resolution using the Quest 3, and I thought the higher resolution would be unnecessary. However, like you said, the sweet spot on the 3S is extremely small, and everything around it appears blurry. In videos, it doesn’t seem that bad, but in person, it's much more noticeable. So, my advice for anyone thinking like I did: think twice. If you can save up for the pancake lenses, even if you don’t use the full resolution, you’ll have a much better experience. I’m definitely going to save money to switch to the Quest 3 and sell my Quest 3S next year.
@@limecupcakes Thank you for the suggestion! I'm actually from Brazil and bought the Quest during a trip to the U.S. Given the high cost of return shipping and non-refundable import taxes, it makes more sense for me to sell it here and buy a new one when I return to the U.S. next year. That said, despite its limitations, I'm really enjoying playing Half-Life: Alyx after fine-tuning the setup with the Debug tool and other PCVR optimizations. I’m still planning to get the Quest 3, though-the screen door effect is something you just can't eliminate!
The Quest 3 is always noticeably sharper and clearer. Even when compared side by side, the 3’s canted displays (hence canted pixels) don’t seem to have too significant an affect on horizontal and vertical lines. However I am surprised that sharpness and color goes back and forth between the 2 and 3S, depending on the image. That being said, without comparing a 3 back to back, I think anyone getting into a 3S or even a 2 would be thrilled.
Despite the quest 2 and 3s having the same resolution, they definitely use better display for 3s, much better on showing text and having better colors and dipper black. Just likes quest 3 display, but lower resolution.
Better processor? It’s the same chip that’s in the Quest 3. Despite using the same display, maybe it’s more effective at rendering the image? No clue honestly but it seems to make a difference.
After reading a ton of comments and looking at various comparisons, I came to the conclusion that Quest 3s is not that bad, so if you don't have the opportunity to buy a more expensive version, but you want to play here and now, then you can definitely get this helmet 😇 How is the 3s version better than 2 and even 3? 1. The display manufacturer has increased the sweet-spot in the new model - the clarity in the center of the image and the contrast (better than in 2) 2. Color mixed reality camera (black and white camera in 2) 3. The controllers do not have rings (which interfered during active games in 2) 4. A more powerful processor (better than in 2) 5. More cameras (two RGB cameras, four infrared cameras and two IR emitters for illumination) 6. More charge than in 2 and less power consumption than in 3 7. Works well in the dark - there must be walls nearby (this function is not in 2 and 3)
After hand washing you could use a moisturiser as it could help with dry hands as the oils in ur hand are being dried up from vigorous washing but keep doing what ur doing love the content man.
Thanks for the comparisons. Your DCS methodology could do with some tightening up though. I don't know how easy it is to control variables like weather and time of day, but the sun pouring through the cockpit view hamstrung the Quest 2. And the in flight, altitude and heading could have impacted on the cockpit lighting.
That’s good enough don’t worry. I’m running on an i9 and an rtx 2060 and I can run games like bonelabs at high graphics. Just make sure if you want the best performance get a link or rlly good wifi. (Link better tho)
@@snowfull1029 thank you so much bro im kinda worried tbh im going to use a link ofc but idk about which is the best resolution for my pc and stuff because im going to be a new VR user so idk much
Defo pancake! After using the quest 3 for a few months. I was setting up my old quest 2 for nephew as gifted it to him. I can say I will never ever buy ahead set with Fresnel again. Was the worst experience ever putting the quest 2 back on. Defo wudnt have purchased the the 3s. Is worth that extra for better lenses by far. The quest 3s will do well only for people who are still upgrading from the quest 2. If they tried 3, 3s would never be purchased.
yeah the 3s is my first vr headset and im amaized, i imagine that going from the fresnel lenses to the pancake lenses is like going from a 60hz flatscreen to a 144hz screen, i did go from a 60hz screen to a 144 and i could never go back, id rather not touch my pc then play on a 60hz lol
@Hemi5Slow nope, that isn't the only difference compared to the Quest 3S The Quest 3S has Better lens Better chipset (which means better rendering, better resolution, better performance, and better color) Better battery Better controllers Better low light tracking
I would just go for a Quest 3 instead for PCVR. Guy Godin said it was the best for wireless PCVR for one, but yeah, those lenses will make a major difference along with the better processing for lower latency, higher bitrate, compression, etc.
this makes me want to just save for a quest 3 instead of going from a quest 2 to 3s. id probably be a bit disappointed. thanks for the comparisons. its tough to not pick up a 3s with all these black friday deals!
3 is looking very good, thinking about going to that after my now defunct HP Reverb G2 is a paper weight thanks to Microsoft pulling support of Windows Mixed Reality. I'm interested in the Pixmax Crystal but I'm concerned about getting a bum one and having to deal with them.
Still shock for NO comparison with Vision Pro with simple pics between each other, doesn’t has to be games etc, just lens comparison. But this channel hasn’t done it surprisingly, he usually does
I can't really tell a difference over the Q2. I'm going to stick with my Q2 for now, especially since the controller tracking is better for my applications (the lack of rings hurts detection in niche cases).
okay with more inspection it's the fresnel pattern, but it was sometimes really misaligned with the lens which caused that the accurate way to compare is to ignore it then, the text test really suffered from it
Very confusing video tbh. On the dashboard clips the 3s had oled back levels, in the F1 clips Quest 2 was the darkest rofl, then quest 2 again with elite dangerous (lol)
You can just sideload any android app that allows for color tuning and use it. It should work all the same as like any Android device. Just sideload the app and launch it like you would normally and then without closing it just load up your game as normal.
The Quest 3S' "new" (new supplier) LCD panel's new subpixel arrangement (still RGB, just a different layout than Q2's) seems to provide a slight but notably crisper, better resolving panel. It also appears brighter and more color accurate. But at the expense of having notably worse black levels than the Quest 2. 🤷
@@Onecrow1 That happens with improved clarity (be it lens or display) as less blur = less SDE hiding effect. 🤷 This is also why SDE on Quest 3 isn't dramatically, if all that much better than Quest 2 despite overall display resolution/clarity going up a bunch. Crystal clear from edge-to-edge pancake lenses = a TON less SDE hiding blur. All that said, I'd MUCH rather have a clearer, sharper, more detailed image with a slightly more visible pixel grid than the alternative. 🤷
@@Rlmfx Google it. Yes, they are both 3x subpixel RGB stripe but the physical layout of those 3x subpixels isn't quite the same between the two different panels. iFixit's high res photos of the Quest 3S and Quest 2 panels makes this blatantly clear. Pretty sure Meta's even confirmed a display supplier change.
@@Rlmfx Look it up. There's high-res pictures of the panels all over the place now. Despite both being 3x subpixel RGB stripe, the actual physical layout is VERY different. 🤷
you must add comparison on meta workrooms, it really weird to see text in VsCode through meta quest 3s please add comparison on workrooms mode, especially on vscode app and editing video app this really will change your mind, meta quest 3 will WIN
Ty, you really, really, really, should start doing these comparisons between each hardware versions running Virtual Desktop I know you probably already know but Quest Link is notoriously bad for video quality in comparison to VD Even running VD on low-Med settings I get such a better picture quality than I ever have through Link it's unreal. Meta's encoding is beyond terrible. EDIT: Nevermind, I spoke too soon. Ill hang my head in shame now EDIT #2: 3s came out throwing hands on DCS, Holy shit it looked good there.
You can do through the lense while wearing your quest 3s or quest 3. I've done it by recording from my quest 3 while holding my 3s up to my quest 3. It was weird seeing multiple windows for 2 different headsets throughout what felt like 1 pair of lenses.
Yea , you cant exactly make a conclusion based on a recording trough the lenses. In real life they have the same contrast , atleast to my eyes, but Q3 is much more sharper and has better lenses and clarity.
I used steamlink because I have 0€ left from paying 300€for the quest 3s I HATE that virtual desktop is not free, like, it should be a native function of the headset and built into it for free, not expensive extra software after already paying way too much...
@@Raphajobinn68682 and 3s come with one of two possible panels (same resolution of course). One of them is better, the other is slightly worse. It’s up to chance for which one yours will come with
@@robmichael8136 Dude, you're just watching a video. I'm watching it on a cell phone with OLED and that doesn't mean it's going to have the same quality as OLED. To know the colors, you'll just have to test them yourself.
So yesterday Oct 21, 2024, I bought the Quest 3 at GameStop at noon but I didn't open yet it bc I need the cover case to stay new longer yes I will order from Amazon also camera protector and the lens protector to my parents don't know I ordered the VR headset the Quest 3s looks pretty better than Quest 3 however yeah.
No it's not, the camera will auto adjust the contrast so you can't compare black levels with these videos, or brightness. Only resolution and sharpness.
So concluding? for games 3 vs 3s is no big difference? but in Batman if I move, on the side i see dark shadows, not so nice. for streaming netflix etc. -> the 3 will be sharper I guess? the weight is almost the same...:/ i hoped the 3 is lighter because its thinner? thanks for info
@@michalpetrilak3976 I know my point is just that buying a headset with fresnel lenses is definitely not a bad choice in 2024 as it's still widely used
@@Resident-eee The last new headset with fresnel is psvr2. Q3S and HTC are just recycled older designs. 3S is cheaper than 3 but you're saving on the worst place on VR headset - visuals. 3 is much more usable even outside gaming.
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pancake or fresnel?
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pancake only. Its far better, like nextgen. After playing quest 3 (before that i had Reverb G2) i will never back to fresnel. If i would choose between Quest 3 and 3s i would never get 3S. Sligthtly more money for "full 3", but far better image quality, pancake lens, and better FOV.
When you see pancake once, then there is no going back.
Fresnel. Lets way more light through which is always a good thing. You don't notice the blurry peripheral vision when you are immersed in a game anyways...
@@jss4837 LOL
@@DiukPL Thats just my opinion bruther, as someone who has tried both. Do you know how pancake lenses work? They are completely different from Fresnel, and there is a reason not all headsets use them (even a lot of high-end headsets are still using Fresnel , i.e. VIVE Focus , or Aspheric like Pimax headsets - both of which transmit WAY more light than pancake lenses do). If pancake were the perfect lens technology, everyone would be using them - but they're not. The "folded optics" of pancake lenses comes with consequences. Fresnel lenses direct light a lot more efficiency than pancake do, so less light is lost, and I think that leads to less washed-out colors on Fresnel as well. To compensate for the poor light transmission of pancake, they just crank up the brightness to get to 100 nits, which hurts battery life and probably color accuracy.
I'm impressed with how they dealt with chromatic aberration in the quest 3s, it looks really good for a fresnel lens
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8:13 , every time I wait for eye charts (Snellen chart) as that is - for me - most important. Great stuff, as always, thanks!
This is all pretty much what I expected. Quest 2 looks great, Q3 looks best. Q3S is somewhere in-between. Or more like the Q3S is a noticeable upgrade in clarity from Q2.
you can clearly see a lot of blur on the Q3s
@clamojoat8543 yeah, but LESS blur than the Quest 2.
Yes! )
Always interesting to see the changed subpixel arrangements of these lenses and results between the headsets. Excellent stuff!
7:22 it's like you hit the sweet spot in Q3S, that's better than even Q3
As usual, the best comparison of visual quality. The labels for the headsets could perhaps be a little further up so that they are not overlapped by the controls when the video is paused.
3:43 right hand (Q3S): this is actually the quality we would need for every single shot. If the camera is out of focus or misaligned in some direction like in a lot of other shots, there is no fair comparison.
It seems that the change in sub pixels from 2 to 3s does alter the image slightly. Giving the image a slightly sharper look and the display seems to be brighter than quest 2.
yeah but you can sharpen images with software too just needs more performance to run.
I lucked out on getting a barely used Quest 2 and carrying case on Marketplace for $80.
Although the Quest 2 and Quest 3s have similar panels, they actually have a different sub pixel layout to each other, so the image quality can look different when compared. Ref Sadly it's Bradlry and ifixit.
not according to meta.Q3s has same panel as Q3
@clamojoat8543 same size and resolution, but from a different factory.
@@BlackMarketHoney I looked it up and one says same and another says different. so no one has the correct spec's. or they are just not telling people and its a guessing game.
I don't think meta really knows! 😂 I just got V.72, ptc update. No new interface, not hide uninstalled apps, passthrough still warping. The only noticeable difference is the start up logo. Whoop Whoop! 😮💨
I'm curious to see what the difference between Quest 3 and Quest 3S would be if you set PCVR to the same resolution. I believe that the majority of people won't be able to play AAA PCVR games at max resolution anyway. For me, I would trade resolution for a higher refresh rate any day. I think it would be a very interesting test to see the actual difference between the lenses, so we don't get fooled by the higher resolution. Anyway, thank you for this video, you're helping a lot of people with valuable information.
Pancake lenses are a huge upgrade. I bought the Quest 3 just for the lenses. The biggest difference is that you can actually look around in the headset with your eyes and the image remains sharp all around the lenses. This is more natural, like how you look around in real life. However, with fresnel lenses, you can only look through the middle of the lenses for clarity because the periphery of fresnel lenses is blurry. So, you have to physically turn your head more to look around to keep things sharp. If the headset moves slightly on your head, or your IPD does not match the 3 presets, you get a more blurry image. It is worse on PSVR2 fresnel lenses as the sweet spot is even smaller.
@@BlackMarketHoneyThe lenses on Q3 are amazing and I came from a PC wired to Reverb G2.
@BlackMarketHoney, you’re 100% right. Yesterday, I got the Quest 3S mainly because I wouldn’t be able to play HLA at 90Hz in native resolution using the Quest 3, and I thought the higher resolution would be unnecessary. However, like you said, the sweet spot on the 3S is extremely small, and everything around it appears blurry. In videos, it doesn’t seem that bad, but in person, it's much more noticeable. So, my advice for anyone thinking like I did: think twice. If you can save up for the pancake lenses, even if you don’t use the full resolution, you’ll have a much better experience. I’m definitely going to save money to switch to the Quest 3 and sell my Quest 3S next year.
@@lumguerra Don't you still have time to refund the Quest 3S? Would probably be financially better to refund than to sell as used.
@@limecupcakes Thank you for the suggestion! I'm actually from Brazil and bought the Quest during a trip to the U.S. Given the high cost of return shipping and non-refundable import taxes, it makes more sense for me to sell it here and buy a new one when I return to the U.S. next year. That said, despite its limitations, I'm really enjoying playing Half-Life: Alyx after fine-tuning the setup with the Debug tool and other PCVR optimizations. I’m still planning to get the Quest 3, though-the screen door effect is something you just can't eliminate!
The Quest 3 is always noticeably sharper and clearer. Even when compared side by side, the 3’s canted displays (hence canted pixels) don’t seem to have too significant an affect on horizontal and vertical lines. However I am surprised that sharpness and color goes back and forth between the 2 and 3S, depending on the image. That being said, without comparing a 3 back to back, I think anyone getting into a 3S or even a 2 would be thrilled.
Great comparison again, thanks a lot!
Despite the quest 2 and 3s having the same resolution, they definitely use better display for 3s, much better on showing text and having better colors and dipper black. Just likes quest 3 display, but lower resolution.
Actually didn't expect Quest 3S to be better in clarity than Quest 2, I wonder how?
Better processor? It’s the same chip that’s in the Quest 3. Despite using the same display, maybe it’s more effective at rendering the image? No clue honestly but it seems to make a difference.
@@hopperhelp1 it's PCVR though so doesn't render in Q3S itself
its not look again
@@TRX25EX not how that works. the cpu on the headset still has to render the input signal to render the image on its display
@@clamojoat8543 the built in gpu in the cpu renders it actually
I love my Quest 3, this is still the best choice. Pancake lenses are the best by far.
Great job Ty!
After reading a ton of comments and looking at various comparisons, I came to the conclusion that Quest 3s is not that bad, so if you don't have the opportunity to buy a more expensive version, but you want to play here and now, then you can definitely get this helmet 😇
How is the 3s version better than 2 and even 3?
1. The display manufacturer has increased the sweet-spot in the new model - the clarity in the center of the image and the contrast (better than in 2)
2. Color mixed reality camera (black and white camera in 2)
3. The controllers do not have rings (which interfered during active games in 2)
4. A more powerful processor (better than in 2)
5. More cameras (two RGB cameras, four infrared cameras and two IR emitters for illumination)
6. More charge than in 2 and less power consumption than in 3
7. Works well in the dark - there must be walls nearby (this function is not in 2 and 3)
Quest 3 lenses look really good.
After hand washing you could use a moisturiser as it could help with dry hands as the oils in ur hand are being dried up from vigorous washing but keep doing what ur doing love the content man.
Dope information, even doper music, respect!
Is it me or the screen door effect looks more visible in Quest 3S?
The Quest 2 looks smoother
5:10 looks like there's a cross in the screen
uses same lens as Q2 and past HMDs so yep, you will see it
@@triopical6884 ya for some dam reason it looks sharper than the Q3s
Thanks for the comparisons. Your DCS methodology could do with some tightening up though. I don't know how easy it is to control variables like weather and time of day, but the sun pouring through the cockpit view hamstrung the Quest 2. And the in flight, altitude and heading could have impacted on the cockpit lighting.
When are you going to do an Apple Vision Pro vs Meta Quest 3 ? I mean you can just use a test video. I know there are no games on the AVP.
With the 4060ti can you quest3 in i-racing even in mid-high graphics and 72hz-90hz ?
Thanks mate
Pancake lenses are a game changer, they let me watch my Patrick Star Skibidi gyatt rizz ASMR more immersively
Pancake for life😉
French Toast is better. 💪
@@MobileDecay 😂😂😂
I like my VR lenses like I like my...
@@MobileDecay 💯
I ain’t upgrading till the either make a good pcvr headset that ain’t 1000$ or if my quest 2 breaks
To skakanie na początku, to jakaś moda 😂
Love pancakes, Lens and food 😂
guys i have ryzen 5 5600x and RTX3060 12vram is that good for quest 3 because im buying it next week
NO...
That’s good enough don’t worry. I’m running on an i9 and an rtx 2060 and I can run games like bonelabs at high graphics. Just make sure if you want the best performance get a link or rlly good wifi. (Link better tho)
@@snowfull1029 thank you so much bro im kinda worried tbh im going to use a link ofc but idk about which is the best resolution for my pc and stuff because im going to be a new VR user so idk much
@@rpirpz its more than enough. i use 2060 and 10105f and i can play on 1.5x resolution and 90fps without problem
@@PowerMiner thank you thats promising
Can you compare the quest 3 to the hp g2?
Defo pancake! After using the quest 3 for a few months. I was setting up my old quest 2 for nephew as gifted it to him. I can say I will never ever buy ahead set with Fresnel again. Was the worst experience ever putting the quest 2 back on. Defo wudnt have purchased the the 3s. Is worth that extra for better lenses by far. The quest 3s will do well only for people who are still upgrading from the quest 2. If they tried 3, 3s would never be purchased.
yeah the 3s is my first vr headset and im amaized, i imagine that going from the fresnel lenses to the pancake lenses is like going from a 60hz flatscreen to a 144hz screen, i did go from a 60hz screen to a 144 and i could never go back, id rather not touch my pc then play on a 60hz lol
Quest 2 is still holding very well.
I wouldn't say so
@@Resident-eeeI’d disagree the only thing that’s better besides resolution is the passthrough. The Quest 2 is still doing a good job
Quest 2 in cockpit had a softer nicer look. Others sharper but I found harsh
@Hemi5Slow nope, that isn't the only difference compared to the Quest 3S
The Quest 3S has
Better lens
Better chipset (which means better rendering, better resolution, better performance, and better color)
Better battery
Better controllers
Better low light tracking
@@Resident-eee Q3s has same lens. according to meta and reviews.
I don't see a point in upgrading to the 3S from Quest 2 if you just wanna play PCVR. The 3S is great for standalone at a great value.
I would just go for a Quest 3 instead for PCVR. Guy Godin said it was the best for wireless PCVR for one, but yeah, those lenses will make a major difference along with the better processing for lower latency, higher bitrate, compression, etc.
Yeah, if someone can afford a PC powerful enough to run PCVR then they can easily pay the extra 100 bucks for a 3 over the 3S.
@@McGregor43 100? where i am a 3s is 335e and a quest 3 is 670 lol
@@McGregor43 its a 200$ difference
Was the comparison done at the same resolution between Quest 2 and Quest 3 or at their respective full resolutions?
this makes me want to just save for a quest 3 instead of going from a quest 2 to 3s. id probably be a bit disappointed. thanks for the comparisons. its tough to not pick up a 3s with all these black friday deals!
From the 2 you really want to go to the 3 trust me. Dl
Jokes on you i cant see the difference i have astigmatism 🤡
3 is looking very good, thinking about going to that after my now defunct HP Reverb G2 is a paper weight thanks to Microsoft pulling support of Windows Mixed Reality. I'm interested in the Pixmax Crystal but I'm concerned about getting a bum one and having to deal with them.
You should have did comparisons in order of 3, 3s, & 2. Not 2 in the middle. That made it really hard to compare.
Still shock for NO comparison with Vision Pro with simple pics between each other, doesn’t has to be games etc, just lens comparison. But this channel hasn’t done it surprisingly, he usually does
Vision Pro uses eye tracking to adjust the display
with a camera it won't work.
I can't really tell a difference over the Q2. I'm going to stick with my Q2 for now, especially since the controller tracking is better for my applications (the lack of rings hurts detection in niche cases).
What about fov though?. It goes from feeling like you're looking at the virtual world through 2 holes to just looking at the virtual world.
Quest 3 rock overall, image is so sharp. In pilot bord scene the quest2 have a sun light that make it horrible. But seem very close to quest 3s.
Is this a reupload???
The black values look better on the quest 2 and 3s than on the quest3
ya I think that's because they changed the screen. but they advertised Q3s as same screen as Q3. so they may have lied just to increase sales
Is that Assetto Corsa?
i think you oversharpened a bit in 3s, it looks similar to color banding in some spots but isn't
okay with more inspection it's the fresnel pattern, but it was sometimes really misaligned with the lens which caused that
the accurate way to compare is to ignore it then, the text test really suffered from it
Very confusing video tbh. On the dashboard clips the 3s had oled back levels, in the F1 clips Quest 2 was the darkest rofl, then quest 2 again with elite dangerous (lol)
i wish the quest 3 had a saturnation slider to crank up the colors.. they are very washed out for me(yes i had a quest 3)
Its a lens issue, cant be corrected with contrast. As if you crank up contrast you lose details.
You can just sideload any android app that allows for color tuning and use it. It should work all the same as like any Android device. Just sideload the app and launch it like you would normally and then without closing it just load up your game as normal.
@@Cwayne1989 wich app you know off?
All LCD are like that especially compared to OLED.
@@dtz1000 i offcourse know,but i wish there was a way to crank the colors a bit.. i also could do that on my pimax 8kx(lcd)
Pancake. The way too go.
Espero al Quest4…
It’s crazy how bro just yapped for 3 minutes straight
Black levels on the Quest 2 is still amazing. I have the Quest 3 and how I wished it carried over...
The Quest 3S' "new" (new supplier) LCD panel's new subpixel arrangement (still RGB, just a different layout than Q2's) seems to provide a slight but notably crisper, better resolving panel. It also appears brighter and more color accurate. But at the expense of having notably worse black levels than the Quest 2. 🤷
the screen door effect seems worse in Quest 3S
@@Onecrow1 That happens with improved clarity (be it lens or display) as less blur = less SDE hiding effect. 🤷 This is also why SDE on Quest 3 isn't dramatically, if all that much better than Quest 2 despite overall display resolution/clarity going up a bunch. Crystal clear from edge-to-edge pancake lenses = a TON less SDE hiding blur. All that said, I'd MUCH rather have a clearer, sharper, more detailed image with a slightly more visible pixel grid than the alternative. 🤷
where are you getting this info that 3s and 2 have different subpixel arrangement? They are both RGB LCD , 3 subpixels
@@Rlmfx Google it. Yes, they are both 3x subpixel RGB stripe but the physical layout of those 3x subpixels isn't quite the same between the two different panels. iFixit's high res photos of the Quest 3S and Quest 2 panels makes this blatantly clear. Pretty sure Meta's even confirmed a display supplier change.
@@Rlmfx Look it up. There's high-res pictures of the panels all over the place now. Despite both being 3x subpixel RGB stripe, the actual physical layout is VERY different. 🤷
you must add comparison on meta workrooms, it really weird to see text in VsCode through meta quest 3s
please add comparison on workrooms mode, especially on vscode app and editing video app
this really will change your mind, meta quest 3 will WIN
You have the same voice as angryturtle (fallout 76 UA-camr)
Hi nice video!
Not related to VR. But I’m curious to what your accent is?
I think it's probably spanish, but that comes for a french speaking guy XD
Quest 3 ftw
Ty, you really, really, really, should start doing these comparisons between each hardware versions running Virtual Desktop
I know you probably already know but Quest Link is notoriously bad for video quality in comparison to VD
Even running VD on low-Med settings I get such a better picture quality than I ever have through Link it's unreal.
Meta's encoding is beyond terrible.
EDIT: Nevermind, I spoke too soon. Ill hang my head in shame now
EDIT #2: 3s came out throwing hands on DCS, Holy shit it looked good there.
haha nevermind, I spoke too soon :P
@@Cwayne1989 lol 🤣
Woot, I get to use my hand bell
Quest 2 solution is good
Good job. But I am sure quest 4will be better than quest 3 and quest 5will be better than quest 4and so on.
You can do through the lense while wearing your quest 3s or quest 3. I've done it by recording from my quest 3 while holding my 3s up to my quest 3. It was weird seeing multiple windows for 2 different headsets throughout what felt like 1 pair of lenses.
Can GTA 5 work with meta quest 3?
not fair for some samples
3s has deeper Blacks,almost like OLED.
Quest 3 is very sharp but man it’s soo Grey.
You can't judge black levels on a through the lens video as the camera will auto adjust the levels.
Yea , you cant exactly make a conclusion based on a recording trough the lenses. In real life they have the same contrast , atleast to my eyes, but Q3 is much more sharper and has better lenses and clarity.
You saved me from buying a Quest 3S...It looked to have the worst visual quality.
Screen door effect on Quest 3 and Quest 3s is horrible, I would take the softer graphic on Quest 2 any day over the other two.
well, it's not as you expect
I used steamlink because I have 0€ left from paying 300€for the quest 3s
I HATE that virtual desktop is not free, like, it should be a native function of the headset and built into it for free, not expensive extra software after already paying way too much...
It literally is built into the headset tho, there is meta version too. Virtual desktop is just best by far
But I can get a quest 2 for less than half the price :P
just use HVEC 10bit on the quest 2
Q3s lens look worse than Q2 and its the same dam lens and according to meta its the screen from the Q3. what a crock
I'm planning on upgrading from Q1 to Q3S. I don't feel like the graphics matter too much to me.
why do the blacks look so much worse on the quest 3?
Quest 3s has worse colours and things in motion look more blurred than quest 2
Have you tested both headsets? I really want to know, I'm curious hahaha.
@@Raphajobinn68682 and 3s come with one of two possible panels (same resolution of course). One of them is better, the other is slightly worse. It’s up to chance for which one yours will come with
Nonsense. I think the 3s looks way better then the 2. Did you watch the video?
@@otonielb I understand then, in short, it's luck.
@@robmichael8136 Dude, you're just watching a video. I'm watching it on a cell phone with OLED and that doesn't mean it's going to have the same quality as OLED. To know the colors, you'll just have to test them yourself.
No one talks annoying quest 3 lens glares while watching movie
I Think Quest 3s Is Better
TLDR: buy Quest 3
So yesterday Oct 21, 2024, I bought the Quest 3 at GameStop at noon but I didn't open yet it bc I need the cover case to stay new longer yes I will order from Amazon also camera protector and the lens protector to my parents don't know I ordered the VR headset the Quest 3s looks pretty better than Quest 3 however yeah.
keep the Q3 trust me, it's miles better than the 3S
Yay!!!
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Black levels on the Quest 3 are a disaster. Is this video representitive of the contrast and black levels of the Quest 3?
No it's not, the camera will auto adjust the contrast so you can't compare black levels with these videos, or brightness. Only resolution and sharpness.
Yeah quest 2s not bad at all. But meta lie us again. 😅
Doesn’t matter either way imho cos the resolution is now too low for 2024 for any of these options unless you’re ok with Xbox avatar graphics
So concluding? for games 3 vs 3s is no big difference? but in Batman if I move, on the side i see dark shadows, not so nice.
for streaming netflix etc. -> the 3 will be sharper I guess?
the weight is almost the same...:/ i hoped the 3 is lighter because its thinner? thanks for info
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The Quest 3S feels like a trap for new people. Who else would buy a fresnel headset in 2024.
Literally 90% of headsets are Fresnel
@@Resident-eee Yes, because they are the cheapest to produce, that is the only reason for their large presence. Pancake lenses have an image level up.
@@michalpetrilak3976 I know my point is just that buying a headset with fresnel lenses is definitely not a bad choice in 2024 as it's still widely used
ppl that dont have much money to spend on expensive stuff
@@Resident-eee The last new headset with fresnel is psvr2. Q3S and HTC are just recycled older designs.
3S is cheaper than 3 but you're saving on the worst place on VR headset - visuals. 3 is much more usable even outside gaming.