hey steve love your channel the last time i used a shaper was in high school im 53 yrs old now back then they told us it was going in the garbage because nobody uses them anymore. we are all spoiled with our mills keep up the great vids thanks Pete
Hey Pete, Thanks For watching. The shaper is slow and the milling machine has taken the place of the shaper in the production world, I have a vertical mill but find that the shaper is more fun to run. Thanks again Steve Summers
Hi Steve, I found your channel in one of Adam's instagram comments. Nice shaper you have! I recently purchase one for myself, a Wecheco (made here in Argentina in the fiftys). It has seen some intensive use, but it is pretty restorable and I got it for less than a grinder costs. I'm so happy. Looking forward to follow up your job with the Cincinnati. Cheers!
Nice, sometimes you can find them cheap, hope it is not to worn and can be fixed easy.Thanks for watching and I hope you enjoyed, make sure to subscribe to the channel, always nice to have more shaper guys around. Steve Summers
Nice looking project. Not to dissuade you, but you can buy a 1/2 boring bar with a 3/16 square broached in the end for $20. I'm sure you could turn the OD down to fit your 5/8 bore. McMaster Carr # 32435A14. Looking forward to part 2.
great video again you are getting better and better at the shaper, perhaps you could make a Adjustable Angle Tool Holder too some time like the Armstrong every shaper needs one of those too and they are hard to get and very expensive you could sell it at the end if you don't need it. would be a great instructional video for others to build their own.keep it up buddy these videos are the best I've seen on working a shaper. may i ask what back ground do you have on machining?
In the future I may build an adjustable tool holder for the shaper, it would be a neat project. Thanks for the encouragement, I would not call myself a machinist, I reserve that name for the years of service guys who do it 100% for a living. I have been in the shop learning for about 8 -9 years part time. I have no trouble finding my way around a machine shop but I am also still learning everyday.. Thanks for stopping by and commenting.. Steve Summers
Yes and no, the bar is cold and the shank is hot, and of course the grade 8 bolt. Thanks for watching,,, Part 2 is in the works Thanks for watching George
I work with what I have most the time, I've been making due with what I have for as long as I can remember. I grew up on a tobacco farm and money was hard to come by so you did the best with what you had. Thanks for watching. Steve Summers
Steve I really dig your videos, great work! I'm sending you a message through youtube right now, I don't know about you but youtube never gives me a notification when I get a message. Please check when you get a chance, and keep up the great content!
The Joy of Precision Thanks man, I commented back to you. And u are correct, youtube did not alert me of the private message. Thanks for watching, glad you like the videos. Steve Summers
Another good and informative video, Steve. Very relevant for me as my SB shaper is now enroute to me. Thank you. What was that little critter roaming around in the background?
My finger lost a fight with a rubber hammer from Harbor freight, those cheap hammers will get you hurt. The head came off the handle and kissed my finger good, Feels great :0......
Your video setups and editing are really showing your experience! Super great project. I'll have to try this myself at some point. (It's amazing how much time 4-month old babies absorb, haven't had much time in the shop lately...)
Been there that's for sure, I have 2 kids and when they're real young they are a hand full and take all your time. Thanks for watching and hope all is well Steve Summers
Thanks for stopping by MSFN, I would not want to make the bar out of anything softer. I wanted to give this a shot, I have heard several people are wanting to make something similar. Hope my channel Shapes up:) Thanks Again; Steve Summers
Thanks, no shaper action on my channel but a variety of different stuff. A lot of my viewers have commented on my channel name and have said the same thing....repurpose "whatever" and getter done...aka MSFN :)
Another great video! I'm anxious to see the remainder of this project, as I'm considering tackling a small keyway bar as well. I've made several dedicated bars (mostly form/spline tools) with the cutter simply brazed to the bar. The adjustable bars that I've made thus far simply used set screws to hold the tool in a square filed hole. To maintain adjustability, holding the tool bit securely seems to be the most difficult challenge.
Agreed, holding the tool securely is the main deal, what I have done up to this point is straight forward, what I do from this point on will determine if the bar works or not. We will see. Thanks Robert, I am glad you stopped by.
Nice project, yes getting hurt by a machine is pretty scary. My first day of shop in high school a friend got his hair caught in a drill press, pulled out a bunch of hair and flesh about 2" diameter, it made a big impact on me and I'm very careful since I'm not afraid of machines just have a lot of respect for them. Of course we all called my friend "Spot" for a long time LOL
He was lucky, it can be worse. I know how powerful these machines are and I do my best to keep out of the way. Thanks for commenting and watching. Steve Summers
Really like your channel man. I have been machining in my shop for years, but just now got a shaper. Your shaper videos are awesome man, giving me all sorts of ideas for mine. Keep it up bud! Morgan from Texas
Glad you like them Morgan, The shaper is a neat machine tool and there's not a lot of good videos of people using them out there Thanks for watching Man, glad you stopped by. Steve Summers
I don't know if it would be practical with your setup there, but I'd bet it would be an awful lot safer to mount the holder on your carriage and do the machining with the cutter in the chuck. I do feel like i'm in a bit of a "teaching grandma how to suck eggs" situation, but if you're not already familiar operations like line boring can be really powerful to add to your arsenal
Rob Mckennie I've done that in the past with other projects but it kind of a pain to adjust the cutter. I felt fine doing it the way I did, just had to be extra careful. Thanks for watching Rob, hope u enjoyed.
I actually have most of the pieces sitting on my welding bench to build a keyway bar for my little shaper. I got sidetracked doing other jobs but hope to get back to finishing it soon.
that thing looks awfully familiar, lol. I'll probably end up doing the same thing as yours with the end of the boring bar to create the square hole. Mine warpped quite a bit when I welded it, but Ill be making a new one anyhow to hold boring bars, so it's all good anyhow, lol. Also, I just say that "it's not warpped, it's just built in side rake" :p
I'll look at your channel and see what you made, What video its on? This is one of the more simple designs, only hard part is holding the tool steel. Those square holes are not fun.
It's at the beginning of the steam engine build #7 P1, I was going to do a video cutting the square parts that the hss seats in, but that thing chattered and made the shaper jump around so badly that I was a little embarrised, lol. The tool holder isnt that far off of square, but I just couldnt get it clampped down effectively, and ended up just having to hold it down by hand to weld it, hence the slight warp. Also the table had some pits in it that I think threw it off the most.
I dont have the bolt or anything yet to finish it, and I dont have a die to make a 3/4" bolt either.. I may turn down a bolt to 3/4" and thread the end of it for 1/2" so that it can be put all together, but I just havnt needed it yet, so it's kinda on the backburner again. I had just gotten the main body of it finished was all, pretty much what you just made in the video, lol.
Dear Steve, Nice video. You are better and better. Why did you cut the slot at once? No rigidity? Please clarify. I need such holder and I will build it soon.
I cut the slot with 3 different cutters because the setup was not very ridged. I don't own a good set of v- blocks and just used what I had. Sucks to not have the tools you need. I'll get them one day. Thanks for watching Steve Summers
Great video's Steve! I just picked up a small 7" shaper and need to make a boring bar / broach holder. With the bar cutting tool being so far in front of the head, I was going to build in a half to 1 degree down angle on the round that's welded to bar. In doing so, I believe it will aid the tool from raising up on the cut stroke. Do you agree or is there something i'm missing?
Nick Vee I'm not sure that would help, but I could be wrong.The only thing to help deflection would be a larger more ridige bar. Cutter geometry is also important.👍 Thanks for watching, I really appreciate it And another thing, congratulations on the little shaper, they are really neat and a hot item right now 👍
Well the owner replied and just by eyeballing it said there is a slight angle in the holder. About a degree. My theory is that angle will keep the tool bit "digging" into the work and allow the bit to lift on the return so it doesn't dull as quickly or leave residual marks. Thanks Steve!
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hey steve love your channel the last time i used a shaper was in high school im 53 yrs old now back then they told us it was going in the garbage because nobody uses them anymore. we are all spoiled with our mills keep up the great vids thanks Pete
Hey Pete, Thanks For watching. The shaper is slow and the milling machine has taken the place of the shaper in the production world, I have a vertical mill but find that the shaper is more fun to run.
Thanks again Steve Summers
Thats really cool! I have a small home shop with a bunch of machines plus a little Broadhead Garret shaper. Need to go out there and play with it.
looking forward to next part. I love your shaper.
It's in the works, Thanks for watching
Thumbs up from Holland too!
Henk Claassen. Thanks Henk, really appreciate you watching and commenting. Hope you enjoyed. SteveSummers
Another excellent video there Steve, a real inspiration to get my own shaper earning its keep !! Please keep them coming ..
They are a great tool, not very fast but very capable. A shaper in the home shop is great
Hi Steve, I found your channel in one of Adam's instagram comments. Nice shaper you have! I recently purchase one for myself, a Wecheco (made here in Argentina in the fiftys). It has seen some intensive use, but it is pretty restorable and I got it for less than a grinder costs. I'm so happy. Looking forward to follow up your job with the Cincinnati. Cheers!
Nice, sometimes you can find them cheap, hope it is not to worn and can be fixed easy.Thanks for watching and I hope you enjoyed, make sure to subscribe to the channel, always nice to have more shaper guys around. Steve Summers
Hello Steve, very good first part, nice job as always, good continuation and good weekend ... 👌👍
Thanks Mayhem, sure is a lot of work that's for sure, I'm glad you liked it. There is just to much content for me to do this all in 1 video.
looks pretty good to me.. I need one too.. its on the list.. LOL.
Thanks for stopping by Emma, Very nice to see you. That neat shaper of yours could use one, they are a fun build.
Thanks again Steve Summers
Nice looking project. Not to dissuade you, but you can buy a 1/2 boring bar with a 3/16 square broached in the end for $20. I'm sure you could turn the OD down to fit your 5/8 bore. McMaster Carr # 32435A14. Looking forward to part 2.
Hey Wes, nice to see you, I have one already, I just wanted to build one for the fun of it
Wes Johnson Services - thx for the part call-out. It’s useful for me for my shaper.
great video again you are getting better and better at the shaper, perhaps you could make a Adjustable Angle Tool Holder too some time like the Armstrong every shaper needs one of those too and they are hard to get and very expensive you could sell it at the end if you don't need it. would be a great instructional video for others to build their own.keep it up buddy these videos are the best I've seen on working a shaper. may i ask what back ground do you have on machining?
In the future I may build an adjustable tool holder for the shaper, it would be a neat project.
Thanks for the encouragement, I would not call myself a machinist, I reserve that name for the years of service guys who do it 100% for a living. I have been in the shop learning for about 8 -9 years part time.
I have no trouble finding my way around a machine shop but I am also still learning everyday..
Thanks for stopping by and commenting.. Steve Summers
Steve, can a shaper put a square hole in a round bar if you started with a round hole, then broached it out?
Makin Sumthin From Nuthin ,well it depends on the hole size and if there is a place for the chip to break.
Those machines fascinate me, had you experience on one before buying yours? If not you sure have come a long way in a short time. Kudos 👍🏼
I had never even seen a shaper in person until the day I got this one.. Thanks
Steve, are you using hot rolled for this project? I also use grade 8 bolts for all kinds of machining. Good video I can't wait for part 2!
Yes and no, the bar is cold and the shank is hot, and of course the grade 8 bolt. Thanks for watching,,, Part 2 is in the works Thanks for watching George
Just found your channel via Adam, and really liking it, especially how you make stuff with what you have, vs having to have a ton of tooling.
I work with what I have most the time, I've been making due with what I have for as long as I can remember. I grew up on a tobacco farm and money was hard to come by so you did the best with what you had. Thanks for watching. Steve Summers
Steve I really dig your videos, great work! I'm sending you a message through youtube right now, I don't know about you but youtube never gives me a notification when I get a message. Please check when you get a chance, and keep up the great content!
The Joy of Precision Thanks man, I commented back to you. And u are correct, youtube did not alert me of the private message. Thanks for watching, glad you like the videos. Steve Summers
Where are your safety glasses?
I think this shaper tool is some kind of time wasting.
using a file is better than using this!
Another good and informative video, Steve. Very relevant for me as my SB shaper is now enroute to me. Thank you. What was that little critter roaming around in the background?
Nice man ! Regards from Germany and keep going ! By the way: Dont make War, Let your Beards Grow !
Thanks for stopping by, Glad to see the videos are getting out of the states. Much Love from the US
thanks Steve, lots of inspiration to use my small 8 inch shaper even more!
Teun (the Netherlands)
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That's a nasty bruise on your finger!
My finger lost a fight with a rubber hammer from Harbor freight, those cheap hammers will get you hurt. The head came off the handle and kissed my finger good, Feels great :0......
Your video setups and editing are really showing your experience! Super great project. I'll have to try this myself at some point. (It's amazing how much time 4-month old babies absorb, haven't had much time in the shop lately...)
Been there that's for sure, I have 2 kids and when they're real young they are a hand full and take all your time.
Thanks for watching and hope all is well Steve Summers
You don't look old enough to have kids!
I like them grade 8 bolts, your project is "shaping" up nicely Steve! :) Nice tig rig btw 👍🏼
Thanks for stopping by MSFN, I would not want to make the bar out of anything softer.
I wanted to give this a shot, I have heard several people are wanting to make something similar. Hope my channel Shapes up:) Thanks Again; Steve Summers
You will have more subs than me in no time, everybody loves a shaper!
Thanks, I really like your channel by the way, and your channel name is the way I live, seems like I always
need to make something from nothing :)
Thanks, no shaper action on my channel but a variety of different stuff. A lot of my viewers have commented on my channel name and have said the same thing....repurpose "whatever" and getter done...aka MSFN :)
Good stuff well presented. Bill, UK
Have ever checked that creek out for gold.
Another great video! I'm anxious to see the remainder of this project, as I'm considering tackling a small keyway bar as well. I've made several dedicated bars (mostly form/spline tools) with the cutter simply brazed to the bar. The adjustable bars that I've made thus far simply used set screws to hold the tool in a square filed hole. To maintain adjustability, holding the tool bit securely seems to be the most difficult challenge.
Agreed, holding the tool securely is the main deal, what I have done up to this point is straight forward, what I do from this point on will determine if the bar works or not. We will see. Thanks Robert, I am glad you stopped by.
Nice project, yes getting hurt by a machine is pretty scary. My first day of shop in high school a friend got his hair caught in a drill press, pulled out a bunch of hair and flesh about 2" diameter, it made a big impact on me and I'm very careful since I'm not afraid of machines just have a lot of respect for them. Of course we all called my friend "Spot" for a long time LOL
He was lucky, it can be worse. I know how powerful these machines are and I do my best to keep out of the way.
Thanks for commenting and watching. Steve Summers
Really like your channel man. I have been machining in my shop for years, but just now got a shaper. Your shaper videos are awesome man, giving me all sorts of ideas for mine. Keep it up bud! Morgan from Texas
Glad you like them Morgan, The shaper is a neat machine tool and there's not a lot of good videos of people using them out there Thanks for watching Man, glad you stopped by. Steve Summers
I don't know if it would be practical with your setup there, but I'd bet it would be an awful lot safer to mount the holder on your carriage and do the machining with the cutter in the chuck. I do feel like i'm in a bit of a "teaching grandma how to suck eggs" situation, but if you're not already familiar operations like line boring can be really powerful to add to your arsenal
Rob Mckennie I've done that in the past with other projects but it kind of a pain to adjust the cutter. I felt fine doing it the way I did, just had to be extra careful.
Thanks for watching Rob, hope u enjoyed.
I actually have most of the pieces sitting on my welding bench to build a keyway bar for my little shaper. I got sidetracked doing other jobs but hope to get back to finishing it soon.
Do it, they are great to have and once it's finished you can make up a reason to use it. Thanks for stopping by and commenting.
Cool good plan
once see a guy get wrapped up by a 1hp mill. don't underestimate the power of machine tools.
1 hp is stronger than most people think, especially it it is geared down, if your shirt gets hung in the cutter your in trouble.
that thing looks awfully familiar, lol. I'll probably end up doing the same thing as yours with the end of the boring bar to create the square hole. Mine warpped quite a bit when I welded it, but Ill be making a new one anyhow to hold boring bars, so it's all good anyhow, lol. Also, I just say that "it's not warpped, it's just built in side rake" :p
I'll look at your channel and see what you made, What video its on? This is one of the more simple designs, only hard part is holding the tool steel. Those square holes are not fun.
It's at the beginning of the steam engine build #7 P1, I was going to do a video cutting the square parts that the hss seats in, but that thing chattered and made the shaper jump around so badly that I was a little embarrised, lol. The tool holder isnt that far off of square, but I just couldnt get it clampped down effectively, and ended up just having to hold it down by hand to weld it, hence the slight warp. Also the table had some pits in it that I think threw it off the most.
I'll check it out when I get a chance, thanks Chirpy
I dont have the bolt or anything yet to finish it, and I dont have a die to make a 3/4" bolt either.. I may turn down a bolt to 3/4" and thread the end of it for 1/2" so that it can be put all together, but I just havnt needed it yet, so it's kinda on the backburner again. I had just gotten the main body of it finished was all, pretty much what you just made in the video, lol.
They are a pretty simple build, and a must have for the shaper
The only slim machinist guy on youtube is you steve...hehehe look at abom and keith rucker
135 lbs 5ft 6in, I'm not a big dude, that's for sure.
Dear Steve,
Nice video. You are better and better.
Why did you cut the slot at once? No rigidity? Please clarify. I need such holder and I will build it soon.
I cut the slot with 3 different cutters because the setup was not very ridged. I don't own a good set of v- blocks
and just used what I had. Sucks to not have the tools you need. I'll get them one day.
Thanks for watching Steve Summers
making a set of v blocks would be an excellent project for a shaper.
Great video's Steve! I just picked up a small 7" shaper and need to make a boring bar / broach holder. With the bar cutting tool being so far in front of the head, I was going to build in a half to 1 degree down angle on the round that's welded to bar. In doing so, I believe it will aid the tool from raising up on the cut stroke. Do you agree or is there something i'm missing?
Nick Vee I'm not sure that would help, but I could be wrong.The only thing to help deflection would be a larger more ridige bar. Cutter geometry is also important.👍 Thanks for watching, I really appreciate it
And another thing, congratulations on the little shaper, they are really neat and a hot item right now 👍
I think that is why you secure the clapper from clapping when cutting keyways. Somebody will correct me if I am wrong. Nice videos Steve.
Well the owner replied and just by eyeballing it said there is a slight angle in the holder. About a degree. My theory is that angle will keep the tool bit "digging" into the work and allow the bit to lift on the return so it doesn't dull as quickly or leave residual marks. Thanks Steve!
Are you Charles the humble mechanic,s brother ?
No, I don't know the guy. Why? do we look alike?
Steve Summers visit his chanel . The humble mechanic and you will see why i said it
Pau Ayelo ok, I will check it out.