Check a Portuguese Martial Art called "jogo do pau". It's a traditional stick fighting style that lately has been quite watered down into coreography, but it still looks super cool, and the stick moves are really powerful. Here's a refference: ua-cam.com/video/ajMnwhKgr1s/v-deo.html
You know how to make the girls fall for you ! I started in martial arts before starting dance... man the links between martial arts and dancing are numerous and life skills advantage
@@colemanstarr5404 As long as they aren't sturdy wooden I still see a chance - or just bring more. Maybe the true lesson here should be: Instead of getting into street fights with a couple of moden dancers with sturdy wooden sticks, make them your friends.
Hi Ramsey, Sometimes during MMA (or other) training sessions, I hear some teachers telling students complaining: "Hey, we’re not in a dance class here!" Those who say or think that probably never tried a modern dance class: it’s physically and mentally very hard (and, in terms of strength, endurance, mobility, it’s very complete). I’ve been a bouncer and a security guard for 25 years, and I confirm that physical condition is fundamental. Of course, it’s not that simple, there are so many parameters, but it is essential. "Thanks for reading ! Now, get outhere, and danse !" 😉 👊🙏🏻👊
And of course, a certain Mr Lee was Hong Kong Cha Cha champion, and JCVD studied Ballet. OK, they were into making martial arts look good for the screen, but if something feels good, you're more likely to persist, and tbh, if it feels good, mechanically, it's probably the smoothest and most efficient way to perform the move.
@@oranges557 Yes I did. It was in discos, bars, and shops in the south of France. I was not a sports fighter, but I practiced (a little) MMA and Aikido. Some techniques have served me, but I was mainly maintaining my physical condition. I stopped before I became depressed (I couldn’t stand the violence anymore). 🙏🏻
As someone that has been in a lot of full contact matches and has been around some amazing athletes, the male ballerinas are the ones you don't mess around with, and I'm 100% serious. I'm not kidding, those guys are in top physical shape, and they are very agile and fast. And they are ripped! Speaking as someone that did full contact for almost 10 years, I'll be the first to say that I won't mess with those guys.
Ikr. As a formal powerlifter and now a martial artist I'm very impressed by the strength dancers are showing. For example while lifting their partners and making it look so easy. Absolutely amazing!
When they're young yes, but as a medical doctor I'm appalled how destructive this art is for their bodies, especially the spine and lower limb joints. I'm examining all kinds of active and former athletes, ballerinas (both male and female) and gymnasts suffer the most damage by far, even compared to full contact fighters (I'm talking about long term debilitating problems, not accidents or acute injuries). So if a friend asks me where to take his kid for some sports activities I'm more inclined to recommend jiu-jitsu or wushu than dancing or even football, if done right martial arts training is more physiological than most modern sports.
@@Dr_V I mean Gymnastics is great for physical conditioning and you will likely be the strongest you can achieve in regards to strength/bodyweight ratio if you can pull off the more intense movements, such as various elements in a ring routine, or a full planche. But it does carry some inherent danger, though I'd say that's more to do with the competitive aspect and how hard those athletes are pushed, because you put a crazy strain on your upper body, and if things go wrong, they can go really wrong, especially in the dynamic portions of gymnastics like the High/Horizontal bar/s or if you stuff the landing with aerial movements. The wear and tear is also pretty high, but I believe that to be an issue with competitive sports in general, where injuries are placed aside in favour of constant performance. I would absolutely recommend gymnastics to anyone for physical conditioning though, you will likely be far more flexible and far stronger than the vast majority of people you meet, and training is easy to incorporate into existing workouts. Finding a gym is hard if you aren't a child though, but in my experience you can injury proof most parts of your body with enough pre/rehabilitation and careful conditioning. You can also mitigate wear and tear through careful training, and I do think many gymnastics movements are great for increasing joint stability and longevity if done correctly. I think this really depends on what exactly the aim is of that sport, I see gymnastics as purely a source of physical conditioning, if you push your child into intense training for competitive sport issues later in life are of course going to be more likely. I would say that it also really depends on which Martial Art in question and how it is practiced, BJJ is pretty low impact if you don't get caught in submissions and refuse to tap constantly, but Wushu can be incredibly demanding depending on the school. It basically is Modern Dance in many ways, with a focus on static active strength and flexibility, though without the extreme rigours of Ballet. If you don't properly work on injury prevention your risk of injury is also likely going to be fairly high in any sport over time unless it is zero impact, and injury prevention really depends on the instructor, and in my experience many instructors aren't up to date with quite a bit of modern mobility training and injury prevention methods. I mean stretching before a workout is still incredibly common in many sports despite being detrimental to performance and increasing risk of injury, so I'd say there are a variety of factors at work here.
Although they are trained, ballerinas don't know how to fight. But for sure, they have the best pre-condition to become martial artists. Intense sport isn't really healthy, and some movements in ballet or gymnastics are for sure an extreme stress for the body/joints There are things to improve the health: - You have to eat the right stuff, otherwise articular cartilage can degenerate-> can cause arthrosis - Avoid drugs (sugar, alcohol, nicotine included) - go outside, enjoy the sun (Vitamin D and near infrared light), important for the body - stretching and rolling will help against pain - enough sleep - use cold & heat (shower) to improve blood circulation
As someone who has done all 3 (former dancer/Kali practitioner who always carried sticks, and often hung out with other kali practitioners after training) I can say that this all makes complete sense. Nobody in their right mind is gonna go after 6 athletes with two sturdy sticks each.
I've seen videos showing "marker knife fights" meant to simulate how dangerous knives really are in real world scenarios. One person is unarmed, wears white clothing, while the other uses a marker as a knife. In the end, the person in white has marks all over their arms, face, neck, which would be serious slashes requiring immediate medical attention if real. A far cry from the demos of a single person effortlessly deflecting an exaggerated overhead attack!
Knives are the most dangerous weapon within their respective range. A knife is more dangerous than a gun in very close quarters, for example, because at least you can control the barrel direction and the firing mechanism (the hammer for a revolver or the slide for a semi-automatic for example), you flat out cannot control a knife directly, and the wrist is still highly mobile and even rotating the wrist can cause fairly deep cuts. Not only that but you can easily make very fast movements that cause hefty damage due to how easily a good knife cuts through a person like butter, and you can easily cause damage sufficient to disable someone (e.g. cutting into muscle and tendons in the arms) with momentary contact if you know what you are doing. Hard2Hurt recently had a video up with a knife fighting instructor, and basically if someone knows how to use a knife, and you don't have a good way to outrange them and defend yourself, it is basically a death sentence for anyone, no matter how skilled you might be in unarmed fighting. Even someone who doesn't know how to fight can pick up a knife and instantly be very dangerous, especially if they just resort to the "sewing machine" style of stabbing the body. Honestly even if you successfully defend yourself from a knife attack, you are going to be cut all over and very likely stabbed at least once, so it can be fatal even if you disable the attacker. If someone is out to actually seriously injure you, they also won't walk up to you and draw a knife while talking, they are most likely going to come up behind you and attack you before you can defend yourself! There's a reason that despite sword's and spear's being obsolete we still use knives in modern warfare! If you see someone has a knife, RUN!! Which is why knives are still far less scary than guns, you can't outrun a bullet!
I remember about 20+ years ago, my teacher at the time had us do 1 vs. 2 sparring. The lesson we all took home was to avoid fighting two people at once.
The best street fight is the one you never got into. You’re a lot more likely to get knocked down by some guy you didn’t see coming or jumped by a group of guys than anything resembling the fair fight you trained for. A guy I knew from my university’s MMA club randomly got stabbed outside a club and lost the use of his arm. The guy who stabbed him was drunk and mistook him for some other guy inside the club who was looking at his girlfriend. After that I just stopped going to those kinds of places where you have a bunch of drunks looking for trouble.
I must say these videos are very well timed. We were doing spinning kicks in muay thai and most people were bad at it, so i, having done salsa, taekwondo and kung fu for about 5 years each, gave a bunch of people pointers. I think it was the latin dance training that was most applicable to that scenario.
As a tango dancer, I know the history of it. The steps are based on footwork of knifedual forms. Those duels were not exactly meant to kill, but to argue on who the alpha is - roughly 150 years in the past :-D If this isn't for the streets, I don't know what is :-D
Social skills. You'll always have friends around, and can deescalate almost any fight before it happens. When you can't, you can buy enough time to be in better position to escape.
No joking, the wooden stick is one of the best options, especially considering the amount of cases where in a street fight the guy with the harder and longer stick wins, there was even a case in Brazil where a teenager knocked out 2 MMA fighters with a stick in the middle of the chaos.
Thanks! So true!..... David Carradine (Kung Fu TV show) was a dancer who later learned martial arts (but he's probably a bad example)....... A big stick can stop a knife attack better than having a knife yourself (it's legal to carry a walking cane)..... Being with friends rather than being alone will deter an individual from attacking you in the first place...... especially if your friends are good dancers!
I tell my Muay Thai instructor every class that Muay thai is just dance with a closed fist. The kicks are just pirouettes, kick checking is also a common pose found in dance. Idk man, I'm thinking we may have been approaching fighting wrong this whole time!
there is a dancing ritual known as Ram muay or Wai kru. you have to dance before the match starts. muay thai is also a part of the Buddhist philosophy.
when i say dance before the match. i mean you have to dance as a "Good Luck Charm" i would say or it prays from the gods from their blessings to begin the match
I mean many Martial Art's have been converted into dance to hide the intention, and warrior dances are common in many cultures to show athleticism and strength. Not only that but what is Kata and Shadow Boxing but a dance choreography with a different aim than aesthetics. Dance, Gymnastics/Tumbling, and Martial Art's are all just examples of physical expression, and there are only so many ways once can express themselves physically due to our shared biomechanical limitations, these activities also tend to have pretty good crossover, as flexibility and strength is necessary for all of them.
That’s what fighting basically is. It’s all about disrupting your opponent’s rhythm in order to land your own moves on them. It’s like a dance except it isn’t a dance.
As a wing chun guy. I 100% agree especially with the psysically argument. Way to much people in martial arts in general don't train their body or tank.
Yo!!! I've been telling my dojo I used to take jazz dance, modern dance, and ballet in college back in 2000-2003 for flexibilty and balance and they laughed at me. I had to say I'm serious, if you want to improve on those skills, take dance classes! Here I am 42 years old and more flexible than anyone in the class. When I'm stretching or try to do the splits I'm told it looks uncomfortable. I tried to tell them even Michael Jordan took ballet classes. After that I joined the marine corps. Then I took an arrow to the knee :p
Totally agree! I used to do Latin Dancing and was also doing grappling and was surprised at how both arts share a lot of fundamentals in terms of managing/guiding energies and managing space/distance.
@@EddyWoon Choreography and studying 'Time and Movement' is great. I was going to mention this but it looks like you grasped what I was talking about. Keep it up!
From my own experience, a few years ago I played in a local pool/billiards league. Walking home one night, I saw a guy being assaulted by another. I told him the attacker, the other guy had had enough as he was on the floor begging to be let go. He turns on me and grabs hold of me. At this point in my life I've had no training in combat sports or MA or anything. Now, my que case was just a padded sack, not the hard wood or plastic ones most guys have. Even so, 2 quick blows to head and he lets me go and backs down. What's my point? Never underestimate a good stick in your hand
Problem is most people with a sturdy wooden stick won't take the offensive. If you or me had a sturdy wooden stick or weapon we are going on a none stop offensive, from experience most people with weapons fight timid leaving room to take a hit get close grapple them to the ground where aside from stabbing weapons their weapon is useless. The mentality of attacking and dealing with aggression and applying aggression comes from training.
I think this is just the reality across the board because of the trope of the stoic warrior who just... waits and always has the perfect response. Pretty sure dewey did a video on tbis recently too lol. It's a very basic and important foundation of many old fencing methods (not so much modern foil bc of right of way rules) - if you want to control the fight, you have to do it actively,plain and simple
People underestimate size and strength as a form of self defense. Being built like a brick shithouse is probably one of the best forms of self defense out there. It's why most bouncers are big strong fellows rather than martial artists. Being big and strong means most people are going to be too intimidated by your size to see you as a potential target. That even if you do manage to find the very few people that would risk an altercation with a man built like a behemoth, you're likely strong enough to just squish them with the standard nooby wrestling of your common man. That most people that life heavy weights have enough knowledge on their body mechanics to pick you up and throw you. The best way to win a fight is to not get in one. Looking like someone that most people wouldn't want to fight, is a pretty effective way of defending ones self.
the "modern dance" one kind of has a point I guess and if you see what a break dancer and do with their body then you'll see how fit and physically strong they are. with the "wooden stick" one that's basically saying learn kail/escrima as yes a wooden stick can do some damage but someone who knows how to use that wooden stick can do more damage. the "bring a couple friends" one is 50/50 as I've seen people get beat up by a couple of guys in a 1v2 but I've seen a good boxer knock out 3 guys in less than 10 seconds before getting removed from the pub.
standup fighting is about reading rhythm, learning to syncopate your footwork and create the contrapoints with your striking. I would recommend european & latin folk dancing though as it contains kick checking, underhooks and more partner oriented exercises. In general, many dancing styles are actual KATAs of martial arts who - due to the fading of their historical context - become abstracted into cultural expressions rather than peoples militia training forms. folk dances are the katas of dead martial arts
Such good points about the poll winners! I never even thought properly about the modern dancers. I just can’t believe that Karate got beaten by Aikido and Krav Maga on the poll (thanks McDojos)😭😭
Yes ! BIG STICK ENERGY !!!! To be honest tho, If I have to choose(and I can choose), I think I would prefer to fight with my hands ON THE STREEETZ rather than a stick. Like, people think it is very easy to fight with a weapon - let me tell you, it is not. If you havent practice with it, or you dont know how to use your body, most likely(unless you are lucky)wont do anything. You will just get beaten with your own stick. The other thing is, that in demonstrations, people tend to threat a stick like it is a light saber. Unless you get hit on the head or somehow in the knees,(both things very hard to do)a stick doesnt do pretty much anything. I remember before Judo class, me and some other dude were messing around with some bokkens and we probably hit each other a 100 times, before eventually he broke his on my back. Not to mention, that if you crack someones skull ON THE STREETZ, you will likely be in even more trouble. People say stuff like "there are no rules on the streets", but they are - it is called law. So I will go with MMA on that one.
my hapkido instructor from years ago was one of the best ballet dancers in the US at one point, no joke. Dude's footwork and kicks were force to reckoned with during sparring.
From A speech given in 1978 by Kyokushin Karate founder Mas Oyama: I first heard this saying when I was in the USA. Ballet Dancers are good fighters. Oh I’m sorry, I’m only talking about fighting, but anyway, I hope it’s interesting for you. You know, Ballet dancers have a very nice walk and slim, strong bodies. In fighting they can fight very rhythmically. I had one ballet dancer friend who liked to fight. Once when I was out with this dancer, he started to fight against others, eventually I had to help him out, but at first when I was just watching, I was very impressed with his rhythmical movements, despite his funnily formed fist
When I started boxing I did a bunch of youtube dance tutorials to get at those muscles the boxing training wouldn't and add some grace because commentators of the time said Sugar Ray Robinson was the Fred Astaire of fighting and moved around his opponants like he was on ice skates. I can confirm ..dance is a weapon.
The Santa's fighting in da streetz really made my day 😆. I needed that. Just want to say that I haven't watched your channel in a while and I noticed an upgrade in the production which is awesome. When I first started watching your channel I was in the beginning stages of getting clean (addiction) and your channel was a part of the process of helping me get on my feet... however, after about 4 years of being clean I slipped up again about 2 months ago and I'm at the beginning again (2 weeks clean)... I guess I'm just saying this as a way to tell you how much I appreciate your content and that it's a big part of what's helped me, whether it's tips on training or your philosophy on life, etc. I've been obsessed with martial arts and boxing since I was about 12 and always find that fighters/trainers have the deepest insight on life. Combat sports are so relevant to how we live life, metaphorically. I mean, I listen to Teddy Atlas's corner speech to Timothy Bradley just to start my day "We're fireman. We control the flames!" Lol. Anyways.. thanks for taking the time to share your experiences with us, added with humor to make us laugh. It goes a long way for some of us.
So you are the wing chun master brian he mentioned?jk. And yeah you are right he is a meditation.it feels meditative when we listen to him such a great guy. Be strong friend.why don’t you try martial arts like bjj or boxing or any other shit.dedicate yourself to any shit.hooe it helps.Don't think anyone is happy.none are happy.
My daughter did ballet and hip hop; her Northern Shaolin has really benefited from her dance training. She gained explosive strength, kinesthetic awareness, grace, balance, and endurance from her background. Furthermore, when she is sparing, she doesn't move like the other students. It gives her advantages because she's somewhat unpredictable.
Thus demonstrating what we have always known, that England is supreme in martial arts with our traditional Morris Men. A bunch of coordinated dancing friends armed with sticks, with bells on.
The Gracies were masters of street fights. They always brought 15+ friends with themself to keep the fight uninterrupted who could beat the life out everybody anyway. Probably that is the reason why they never lost a single challange fight. At the end of the day even if a Gracie had bad performance or the opponent was better, they always won by decision. The decision of 15 though guys. Also they were rich as hell, so they had more platform spreading how good fighter they are than everybody who ever disagreed.
Haha, this sounds about right. If you look at the flaws of BJJ in regards to self-defence, and how it fails against multiple opponents because the ground is the most dangerous place you can be (pretty much every traditional Martial Art designed around self-defence, including Boxing and Karate, all focused on remaining standing as being taken down and mobbed by multiple attackers was the most common form of banditry apparently, not much seems to have changed), it's clearly not designed with fighting in normal self-defence scenarios as we think of them (where multiple armed attackers were common). The way I see it was that BJJ was likely developed solely for challenge matches and duelling, if two families disagreed they would get together and have a fight, 1 on 1, with the others making sure nothing untoward happened, the best way to do this while also reducing risk of injury to yourself and also reducing the chance you kill or seriously injure the opponent unintentionally and start a blood feud was to focus on the ground game, taking elements of Judo and hyperfocusing on floor based submissions. This is the only thing that really makes sense to me, it is also logical concerning the fact that the Gracie's challenged other stylists to similar fights to show how superior their fighting style was, because they'd been doing the same thing for a long time. The Gracie's are also great at telling stories, and the fact that people believe that BJJ was solely a result of the Gracie's is evidence of that! You can also tell this from the much lauded stories of the Gracie's street fighting despite their style being really quite dangerous to engage in such a fight, they likely had a huge group of friends and lackeys following them around as you say haha.
@@AveSicarius i wouldn't say it is useless bjj is just a piece of the original judo, also known as kano jiu jitsu. Wich was modern judo + extra judo technic that are banned + bjj The bjj moveset supposed to be worst case scenario not a gameplan. You should keep yourself on your feet with wresstling skills and get the fuck out of the ground with your ground fighting skills as fast as possible if you fall down. Bjj basically is harm reduction after your takedown defense failed.
In Isshinryu Karate, we cross-trained in Jiujitsu, Kenpo, Shotokan, and Combat Judo anyway. Isshinryu is one of the first systematic "Mixed Martial Arts" systems, and we know from real street self defense situations that students who practice at least 3 times per week beat the tar out of 1 or even 2 attackers in real street self defense situations. We had a Blue Belt woman one time who seriously injured her two male heavyweight attackers in a gang-rape situation, it was one of the first stories of the style which was told to me way back when I was 12 years old. Typical injuries an Isshinryu student inflicts on their attackers in a street fight include: broken arms, broken neck, broken nose, crushed trachea, broken/dislocated knee, internal organ damage especially to groin and bladder but also liver and kidneys or even heart. We know from real military engagements and real street self defense situations what happens to the attacker when an Isshinryu student defends themselves.
Taekwondo has easily the best athletic competition vs dancing... These are actually both going to get you in shape... That being said... Weapons, tactics, strategy, and maneuvering capabilities come first... We don't arm troops with hands. We give them land navigation skills, communication skills and equipment, teamwork skills, vehicles, air support, artillery support, radio equipment, and firearms... Soldiers need to be able to fight with their hands in case things go wrong... But when they go right they outflank their enemy until their enemy surrenders or they use a gun... (MMA and Parkour/Ninja warrior seem the most street relevant in places where you can't own a gun in my opinion.)
Modern dance athletes are often jacked because they have to lift one another and spin them around their heads! If you look at their bodies they are often muscled up and hawt. Modern TKD dudes tend to be quite thin and light on their feet. There is quite a clear difference in body strength.
Ramsey ,here are some questions for you:I know your favourite boxer is Dempsey.If you were to choose a boxer from the 19th century as your favourite, which one will you choose?Is it Corbett,Jeffries,Fitzsimmons,Sullivan or Heenan?And a question about sparring:I know and I agree with you that hard sparring is bad for health.In the past I did a lot of hard sparring,and after some matches I felt a dizziness.But me and a lot of guys think that hard sparring is good for self confidence:in a way that if you do hard sparring a lot,you will not ever be afraid if someone throws a hard punch or kicks on the streets.If you do only light sparring you will surely have a lack of self confidence.So what is the solution:I do not want to spar hard anymore,but if I do only light sparring I do not want to lose my confidence in my abilities.Thank you for your answer.
Ramsay can i ask a question what is your thoughts on Yaw Yan, Sikaran and Buno/Dumog Wrestling. those unarmed Filipino Martial Arts focus on Empty hand Fighting rather thanArnis Stickfighting arts. Yaw yan is a Hybrid kickboxing style derives from arnis but has other martial arts. sikaran is resembled Taekwondo. focus on kicks. many other sikaran practitioners compete to taekwondo and mma. same goes to yaw yan. it resembles muay thai but in long-range. buno or dumog is a wrestling/grappling arts like judo or wrestling. and another filipino art that i like to mention and that is Tapondo. this art kinda resembles Aikido but completely similar to it's japanese aikido counterpart. just want to ask a question. that's it if you are not too familiar with these Filipino martial arts styles. go research on that and give a shout out if you did.
This is great, I love your observation about dancers. However I don't think the question should be "which martial art". Martial arts should all fundamentally be the same thing philosophically. To a person with good fight IQ, someone that can handle themselves regardless of whether they train or study, all martial art systems have usable ideas. Its an individual differentiation, not a group differentiation. Every martial art system is going to have a McDojo, and every martial art system is going to provide good ideas to people who know how to cultivate and apply themselves. For an integrated person, the more systems you study, even at a distance or infrequently, the more prepared you are. If you do not know or connect with your self very well, then you must find a good school to help you, and hope to God the teachers know what they are doing. In this case its a school differentiation. The more comprehensive a specific school is with its understanding of its own martial art style, the better it will prepare you.
Dancing is so underrated when it comes to MA and fighting. It teaches you spatial awareness, rhythm, timing, flexibility, fitness, etc., but much like MA you shouldnt limit yourself to just one style. Gymnastics is another form of training that can be very beneficial, arguably more beneficial, for many of the same reasons, but you dont see many fighters with a dancing or gymnastics background or at least they dont talk about it if they do.
@@irishninja9857 I like GSP a lot but he has very weird beliefs and is a genetic freak. Regards the latter he was absurdly athletic all the time, he should have been in a better paying sport. Being that gifted you could write off his gymnastics as, yeah that guy can do anything no matter what he thinks is effective. GSP was so athletic he could have made wing chun real. And then there was the weird shit about aliens he would say every so often. People read that as CTE but he seems fine otherwise.
It's actually the best 3 advises i heard on a effective martial arts street fight on the internet. Remember, if you get attacked in the street, it's likely you already lost... cause they are predators who attack only when it's instant win (they likely do a surprise attack, have weapons, outnumber you, in better shape aka not drunk or drugged)
As much as I agree I still would pick Bas Rutten to win against a couple of dancers with wooden sticks. Also I would like to see the poll for what is the deadliest fighting technique for tha streeeetttzzz.
I’m a Bjj purple belt, but I dabble in bow staff works, and love it. I’m looking for a shillelagh, probably on the shorter end for edc. I also have a appreciation for nunchuck work as well
In my mind, most threats in general, would range from other people to birding building, traffic after an accident etc.. you would want to evade most of those issues and doing that you may trip over your own feet or other things. A dancer having probably some of the best mind body connection a person could have is far less likely to trip up.
I'd think either your friends are kids or you're decreasing your chances of survival by getting a hernia or a broken back and walking around like Smithers on the Simpsons. *** This is a joke, no drama ;)
Medieval knights and reneissance duelists, soldiers all practiced dancing and some masters in the past considered dancing to be integral to be a good swordsman.
Something I get asked all the time as a HEMA practitioner is "but how will this help ON DA STREETZ?!" (or something to that effect) My first response is usually, "If that's your main priority with a martial art, consider changing your lifestyle in other ways," but also if you can swing a sword, or thrust and bind and grapple with a spear (spears are mostly grappling in single combat), or grapple with a dagger... you're probably much better equipped to handle your average street thug than a guy who only knows empty hand techniques. Especially someone who only knows striking. Any and all of those techniques translate to "a big sturdy stick" you can pick up if the need arises. Athleticism of course matters a ton too. I regularly roll with a friend who's 250 pounds 6'5". I'm 140 lbs 5'10". I've been doing martial arts, albeit mostly other than wrestling, a lot longer than him, and we're about 50/50 on taps/pins. If you're taking a martial arts class for self defense PRIMARILY, there's probably other issues you're not looking at.
Of all the weapons I’ve trained with in the past, I’d take my skrima sticks over anything. Also, Tonfa ( which the cops use which they name their night stick).
I took several semesters of dance (modern and classical ballet ) in college. And that teacher stretched the holy living stuff out of me. I'm sure she increased my flexibility and my strength.
Every time I go on my walks around the block I bring my cold steel walkabout walking stick. Its made of polypropelene. Cold steel has footage of these smashing cynder blocks. I also have been able to take it with me at my old church walmart and the mall. Its on the shorter side. Like a cane. Ive done a good bit of stick play in my life with multiple different sized sticks having different weights. I originally bought it when I had my ingrown toe nail and couldnt walk well.
The answer depends on whether you separate how fit/strong/toned a person is from the martial art(s) they train. If you are in peak physical condition but have only a bit of training, you will EASILY outperform an unfit person who has lots of training. Strength, speed, and stamina are major factors in avoiding injury. If you don't separate fitness from martial arts, the best fitness levels will be in the more dynamic/strenuous arts. It will depend on the instructor much more than the art itself -- how hard do they train their students? But some arts that almost always train slow/soft will fall behind here unless instruction also includes physical training (weightlifting, running, etc). If you do separate them? Aikido is the best to survive an encounter with multiple attackers. It emphasizes everything you need; how to down an attack that grabs at you, how to position against multiple attackers, how to take space in an environment that i occupied by an unfriendly body, how to stay standing or get back to your feet immediately if you fall, how to get the better of a grappling situation, and most importantly how to disable an attack in a single quickly executed technique so that they are out of the fight. Aikido's flaws come almost entirely in the way that it is usually taught these days -- as a gentle art, practiced slowly without resistance. The art itself is extremely effective when simply looking to defend yourself from anyone coming close enough to hurt you. Boxing is kind of a contender too, but it has limitations. It is difficult to reliably KO someone with a single strike, and you can break your hand. It is difficult to strike when grabbed, and it is a less effective art when wearing clothes that can be easily grabbed (like a shirt or jacket). Boxing needs some room to move to be effective, and it is not very practical against multiple attackers. It does not have limb control techniques to deal with any weapons that might come out. Where boxing excels is mainly to stun attackers. A well thrown punch renders the target in front of you not able to do much as you move past them, in your effort to get away from the danger you are in. Boxing also has low risk attacks; you can throw an effective strike from a good range while keeping both feet under you, and you are trained to get back out of range before the target can fight back. That makes boxing a good art for trying to bay an attacker who has no weapon. Tai Chi is kind of a contender. The stances and movements of Tai Chi are extremely defensive in nature, making you hard to grab or strike. A lot of the techniques mess with an attacker's reflexes, to handle opponents that may otherwise be faster/stronger/bigger than you without needing to be as physically fit as other arts require. Tai Chi's main limitation is how difficult it is to take the attacker's space away from them and get that attacker on the ground reliably, so it is inferior to Aikido in a lot of ways. One of the worst arts "for the streets" is Muay Thai. You need one target to square up with you to throw any techniques, and there is no training for what happens if you are grabbed or taken to the ground. The one guy you land a blow on is going to have a really nasty bruise, but he's likely not out of the fight and you won't get to throw a second strike before getting mobbed. Muay Thai excels in too specific a situation -- unarmed combat, against a single attacker who just wants to stand and strike with you. So Muay Thai alone is bad for the streets. It could be excellent along with Aikido for the streets though, as a back-up plan for if/when an Aikido technique catastrophically fails. You try to down an attacker, mess up, and just elbow them in the face to knock them down instead (or sweep the leg; Muay Thai has some fantastic leg sweeps). Other striking arts that look to use speed and land lots of smaller blows, or ones that require a lot of kicking, are the worst. Those will get you killed in a real fight, even if you are well trained. Those are 1v1 arts that are useless in a street fight. Street fights are never going to be 1v1, because violent people don't pick fights when they are alone.
Check "Jogo do Pau" coreography, people. It may or may not be a good way to train stick fighting, but it both looks AWESOME and I you would not want to be even close to any of these sticks.
So a couple of friends with sturdy wooden sticks who know modern dance. Got it.
why am I imagining the droogs from clockwork orange doing a dance routine now?
JETS VS SHARKS!!!
That sounds like a badass gang of homies right there. Terrifying.
And don't forget the tight clothes with fluorescent colors for an intimidating plus.
Check a Portuguese Martial Art called "jogo do pau". It's a traditional stick fighting style that lately has been quite watered down into coreography, but it still looks super cool, and the stick moves are really powerful. Here's a refference: ua-cam.com/video/ajMnwhKgr1s/v-deo.html
I did ballroom dance sports for about 10 years. Now later in life, I started kickboxing and my footwork advantage is tremendous.
Bruce Lee himself was a regional cha-cha champion...
Show off
You know how to make the girls fall for you ! I started in martial arts before starting dance... man the links between martial arts and dancing are numerous and life skills advantage
You're used and conditioned too
Probably b/c you're coordinated. For some reason a lot of people have trouble using hands and legs together.
[Conclusion]
Don't get in to street fights!
But if you do, bring a couple of your modern dance friends with sturdy wooden sticks along!
And especially don't get into street fights with a couple dancers carrying sticks
@@colemanstarr5404 As long as they aren't sturdy wooden I still see a chance - or just bring more.
Maybe the true lesson here should be:
Instead of getting into street fights with a couple of moden dancers with sturdy wooden sticks, make them your friends.
Hi Ramsey,
Sometimes during MMA (or other) training sessions, I hear some teachers telling students complaining: "Hey, we’re not in a dance class here!"
Those who say or think that probably never tried a modern dance class: it’s physically and mentally very hard (and, in terms of strength, endurance, mobility, it’s very complete). I’ve been a bouncer and a security guard for 25 years, and I confirm that physical condition is fundamental.
Of course, it’s not that simple, there are so many parameters, but it is essential.
"Thanks for reading ! Now, get outhere, and danse !" 😉
👊🙏🏻👊
And of course, a certain Mr Lee was Hong Kong Cha Cha champion, and JCVD studied Ballet. OK, they were into making martial arts look good for the screen, but if something feels good, you're more likely to persist, and tbh, if it feels good, mechanically, it's probably the smoothest and most efficient way to perform the move.
I read the last part with Ramsey voice 🤣🤣
25 years man, you must have seen some real shit
@@oranges557 Yes I did.
It was in discos, bars, and shops in the south of France. I was not a sports fighter, but I practiced (a little) MMA and Aikido. Some techniques have served me, but I was mainly maintaining my physical condition.
I stopped before I became depressed (I couldn’t stand the violence anymore).
🙏🏻
@@Negrisimox : I wrote it with Ramsey’s voice 😊
So, putting all this together, a gang of stickdancers would be the ultimate street fighters.
As someone that has been in a lot of full contact matches and has been around some amazing athletes, the male ballerinas are the ones you don't mess around with, and I'm 100% serious. I'm not kidding, those guys are in top physical shape, and they are very agile and fast. And they are ripped!
Speaking as someone that did full contact for almost 10 years, I'll be the first to say that I won't mess with those guys.
Ikr. As a formal powerlifter and now a martial artist I'm very impressed by the strength dancers are showing. For example while lifting their partners and making it look so easy. Absolutely amazing!
When they're young yes, but as a medical doctor I'm appalled how destructive this art is for their bodies, especially the spine and lower limb joints. I'm examining all kinds of active and former athletes, ballerinas (both male and female) and gymnasts suffer the most damage by far, even compared to full contact fighters (I'm talking about long term debilitating problems, not accidents or acute injuries). So if a friend asks me where to take his kid for some sports activities I'm more inclined to recommend jiu-jitsu or wushu than dancing or even football, if done right martial arts training is more physiological than most modern sports.
@@Dr_V Dang, I never knew that.
@@Dr_V
I mean Gymnastics is great for physical conditioning and you will likely be the strongest you can achieve in regards to strength/bodyweight ratio if you can pull off the more intense movements, such as various elements in a ring routine, or a full planche. But it does carry some inherent danger, though I'd say that's more to do with the competitive aspect and how hard those athletes are pushed, because you put a crazy strain on your upper body, and if things go wrong, they can go really wrong, especially in the dynamic portions of gymnastics like the High/Horizontal bar/s or if you stuff the landing with aerial movements. The wear and tear is also pretty high, but I believe that to be an issue with competitive sports in general, where injuries are placed aside in favour of constant performance.
I would absolutely recommend gymnastics to anyone for physical conditioning though, you will likely be far more flexible and far stronger than the vast majority of people you meet, and training is easy to incorporate into existing workouts. Finding a gym is hard if you aren't a child though, but in my experience you can injury proof most parts of your body with enough pre/rehabilitation and careful conditioning. You can also mitigate wear and tear through careful training, and I do think many gymnastics movements are great for increasing joint stability and longevity if done correctly.
I think this really depends on what exactly the aim is of that sport, I see gymnastics as purely a source of physical conditioning, if you push your child into intense training for competitive sport issues later in life are of course going to be more likely.
I would say that it also really depends on which Martial Art in question and how it is practiced, BJJ is pretty low impact if you don't get caught in submissions and refuse to tap constantly, but Wushu can be incredibly demanding depending on the school. It basically is Modern Dance in many ways, with a focus on static active strength and flexibility, though without the extreme rigours of Ballet. If you don't properly work on injury prevention your risk of injury is also likely going to be fairly high in any sport over time unless it is zero impact, and injury prevention really depends on the instructor, and in my experience many instructors aren't up to date with quite a bit of modern mobility training and injury prevention methods. I mean stretching before a workout is still incredibly common in many sports despite being detrimental to performance and increasing risk of injury, so I'd say there are a variety of factors at work here.
Although they are trained, ballerinas don't know how to fight. But for sure, they have the best pre-condition to become martial artists.
Intense sport isn't really healthy, and some movements in ballet or gymnastics are for sure an extreme stress for the body/joints
There are things to improve the health:
- You have to eat the right stuff, otherwise articular cartilage can degenerate-> can cause arthrosis
- Avoid drugs (sugar, alcohol, nicotine included)
- go outside, enjoy the sun (Vitamin D and near infrared light), important for the body
- stretching and rolling will help against pain
- enough sleep
- use cold & heat (shower) to improve blood circulation
As someone who has done all 3 (former dancer/Kali practitioner who always carried sticks, and often hung out with other kali practitioners after training)
I can say that this all makes complete sense. Nobody in their right mind is gonna go after 6 athletes with two sturdy sticks each.
people go after cops, they alwasy have weapon and freinds.
@@stevemyopinion423 But are those cops athletes?
some of them, about half but they alwasy have gun and weapons and one call and they can bring a 100 on your head.
I've seen videos showing "marker knife fights" meant to simulate how dangerous knives really are in real world scenarios. One person is unarmed, wears white clothing, while the other uses a marker as a knife. In the end, the person in white has marks all over their arms, face, neck, which would be serious slashes requiring immediate medical attention if real. A far cry from the demos of a single person effortlessly deflecting an exaggerated overhead attack!
Ah, Paul Vunak ^^
Knives are the most dangerous weapon within their respective range. A knife is more dangerous than a gun in very close quarters, for example, because at least you can control the barrel direction and the firing mechanism (the hammer for a revolver or the slide for a semi-automatic for example), you flat out cannot control a knife directly, and the wrist is still highly mobile and even rotating the wrist can cause fairly deep cuts. Not only that but you can easily make very fast movements that cause hefty damage due to how easily a good knife cuts through a person like butter, and you can easily cause damage sufficient to disable someone (e.g. cutting into muscle and tendons in the arms) with momentary contact if you know what you are doing. Hard2Hurt recently had a video up with a knife fighting instructor, and basically if someone knows how to use a knife, and you don't have a good way to outrange them and defend yourself, it is basically a death sentence for anyone, no matter how skilled you might be in unarmed fighting. Even someone who doesn't know how to fight can pick up a knife and instantly be very dangerous, especially if they just resort to the "sewing machine" style of stabbing the body.
Honestly even if you successfully defend yourself from a knife attack, you are going to be cut all over and very likely stabbed at least once, so it can be fatal even if you disable the attacker. If someone is out to actually seriously injure you, they also won't walk up to you and draw a knife while talking, they are most likely going to come up behind you and attack you before you can defend yourself!
There's a reason that despite sword's and spear's being obsolete we still use knives in modern warfare! If you see someone has a knife, RUN!! Which is why knives are still far less scary than guns, you can't outrun a bullet!
I remember about 20+ years ago, my teacher at the time had us do 1 vs. 2 sparring. The lesson we all took home was to avoid fighting two people at once.
The best street fight is the one you never got into. You’re a lot more likely to get knocked down by some guy you didn’t see coming or jumped by a group of guys than anything resembling the fair fight you trained for.
A guy I knew from my university’s MMA club randomly got stabbed outside a club and lost the use of his arm. The guy who stabbed him was drunk and mistook him for some other guy inside the club who was looking at his girlfriend. After that I just stopped going to those kinds of places where you have a bunch of drunks looking for trouble.
I must say these videos are very well timed. We were doing spinning kicks in muay thai and most people were bad at it, so i, having done salsa, taekwondo and kung fu for about 5 years each, gave a bunch of people pointers. I think it was the latin dance training that was most applicable to that scenario.
As a tango dancer, I know the history of it. The steps are based on footwork of knifedual forms. Those duels were not exactly meant to kill, but to argue on who the alpha is - roughly 150 years in the past :-D
If this isn't for the streets, I don't know what is :-D
Social skills. You'll always have friends around, and can deescalate almost any fight before it happens. When you can't, you can buy enough time to be in better position to escape.
No joking, the wooden stick is one of the best options, especially considering the amount of cases where in a street fight the guy with the harder and longer stick wins, there was even a case in Brazil where a teenager knocked out 2 MMA fighters with a stick in the middle of the chaos.
Thanks! So true!..... David Carradine (Kung Fu TV show) was a dancer who later learned martial arts (but he's probably a bad example)....... A big stick can stop a knife attack better than having a knife yourself (it's legal to carry a walking cane)..... Being with friends rather than being alone will deter an individual from attacking you in the first place...... especially if your friends are good dancers!
Bruce Lee himself was a regional cha-cha champion...
@@shantanusapru holy fuck this is real, just looked it up. the more you know.
I think Lomachenko was a dancer, pretty sure I read that somewhere.
Patrick Swayze was a dancer and did train some Martial Arts.
@@cuzz63 Yes, how could I forget that!
Best Martial Arts on the street: COMMON SENSE..
I tell my Muay Thai instructor every class that Muay thai is just dance with a closed fist. The kicks are just pirouettes, kick checking is also a common pose found in dance. Idk man, I'm thinking we may have been approaching fighting wrong this whole time!
there is a dancing ritual known as Ram muay or Wai kru. you have to dance before the match starts. muay thai is also a part of the Buddhist philosophy.
when i say dance before the match. i mean you have to dance as a "Good Luck Charm" i would say or it prays from the gods from their blessings to begin the match
I mean many Martial Art's have been converted into dance to hide the intention, and warrior dances are common in many cultures to show athleticism and strength. Not only that but what is Kata and Shadow Boxing but a dance choreography with a different aim than aesthetics.
Dance, Gymnastics/Tumbling, and Martial Art's are all just examples of physical expression, and there are only so many ways once can express themselves physically due to our shared biomechanical limitations, these activities also tend to have pretty good crossover, as flexibility and strength is necessary for all of them.
That’s what fighting basically is. It’s all about disrupting your opponent’s rhythm in order to land your own moves on them. It’s like a dance except it isn’t a dance.
But which is better for the streets
- Having more friends
- Having a weapon
- being the better athlete
Having a weapon. (Machine gun :))
As a wing chun guy. I 100% agree especially with the psysically argument. Way to much people in martial arts in general don't train their body or tank.
Yo!!! I've been telling my dojo I used to take jazz dance, modern dance, and ballet in college back in 2000-2003 for flexibilty and balance and they laughed at me. I had to say I'm serious, if you want to improve on those skills, take dance classes! Here I am 42 years old and more flexible than anyone in the class. When I'm stretching or try to do the splits I'm told it looks uncomfortable. I tried to tell them even Michael Jordan took ballet classes.
After that I joined the marine corps. Then I took an arrow to the knee :p
Totally agree! I used to do Latin Dancing and was also doing grappling and was surprised at how both arts share a lot of fundamentals in terms of managing/guiding energies and managing space/distance.
@@EddyWoon Choreography and studying 'Time and Movement' is great. I was going to mention this but it looks like you grasped what I was talking about. Keep it up!
Arrow to the knee for the win! ha.
However, so true, my dance classes in college really greatly added to my flexibility.
From my own experience, a few years ago I played in a local pool/billiards league. Walking home one night, I saw a guy being assaulted by another. I told him the attacker, the other guy had had enough as he was on the floor begging to be let go. He turns on me and grabs hold of me. At this point in my life I've had no training in combat sports or MA or anything.
Now, my que case was just a padded sack, not the hard wood or plastic ones most guys have. Even so, 2 quick blows to head and he lets me go and backs down. What's my point? Never underestimate a good stick in your hand
Problem is most people with a sturdy wooden stick won't take the offensive. If you or me had a sturdy wooden stick or weapon we are going on a none stop offensive, from experience most people with weapons fight timid leaving room to take a hit get close grapple them to the ground where aside from stabbing weapons their weapon is useless. The mentality of attacking and dealing with aggression and applying aggression comes from training.
I think this is just the reality across the board because of the trope of the stoic warrior who just... waits and always has the perfect response. Pretty sure dewey did a video on tbis recently too lol.
It's a very basic and important foundation of many old fencing methods (not so much modern foil bc of right of way rules) - if you want to control the fight, you have to do it actively,plain and simple
Most effective? Being strong + aggressive is a good first step.
Who would have thought that a magic mike group is better for da streetz than a Karate Dojo :D
People underestimate size and strength as a form of self defense. Being built like a brick shithouse is probably one of the best forms of self defense out there. It's why most bouncers are big strong fellows rather than martial artists. Being big and strong means most people are going to be too intimidated by your size to see you as a potential target. That even if you do manage to find the very few people that would risk an altercation with a man built like a behemoth, you're likely strong enough to just squish them with the standard nooby wrestling of your common man. That most people that life heavy weights have enough knowledge on their body mechanics to pick you up and throw you.
The best way to win a fight is to not get in one. Looking like someone that most people wouldn't want to fight, is a pretty effective way of defending ones self.
the "modern dance" one kind of has a point I guess and if you see what a break dancer and do with their body then you'll see how fit and physically strong they are. with the "wooden stick" one that's basically saying learn kail/escrima as yes a wooden stick can do some damage but someone who knows how to use that wooden stick can do more damage. the "bring a couple friends" one is 50/50 as I've seen people get beat up by a couple of guys in a 1v2 but I've seen a good boxer knock out 3 guys in less than 10 seconds before getting removed from the pub.
standup fighting is about reading rhythm, learning to syncopate your footwork and create the contrapoints with your striking. I would recommend european & latin folk dancing though as it contains kick checking, underhooks and more partner oriented exercises. In general, many dancing styles are actual KATAs of martial arts who - due to the fading of their historical context - become abstracted into cultural expressions rather than peoples militia training forms. folk dances are the katas of dead martial arts
JCVD and Patrick Swayze had years of dancing experience. Their dexterity is / was unbelievable.
Such good points about the poll winners! I never even thought properly about the modern dancers. I just can’t believe that Karate got beaten by Aikido and Krav Maga on the poll (thanks McDojos)😭😭
The power of friendship really is overpowered
Wrestling ,boxing ,judo ,and agreat finishing moves is all you need
1. Take dance class
2. Find stick
3.enlarge circle of friends….
Got it, coach. Thanks!
I think a lot of people needed to hear that.
I learned boxing as a kid in Nicaragua, and I still remember their advice, don’t get ouch, and be fluid, like you are dancing.
i can't believe fleeing is not in the options
Honestly, basically every serious dancer i've met have been amazing athletes
A honorable mention is Track and field, especially if your opponent is a modern dancer with a stick and a couple of friends
Yes ! BIG STICK ENERGY !!!!
To be honest tho, If I have to choose(and I can choose), I think I would prefer to fight with my hands ON THE STREEETZ rather than a stick. Like, people think it is very easy to fight with a weapon - let me tell you, it is not. If you havent practice with it, or you dont know how to use your body, most likely(unless you are lucky)wont do anything. You will just get beaten with your own stick.
The other thing is, that in demonstrations, people tend to threat a stick like it is a light saber. Unless you get hit on the head or somehow in the knees,(both things very hard to do)a stick doesnt do pretty much anything. I remember before Judo class, me and some other dude were messing around with some bokkens and we probably hit each other a 100 times, before eventually he broke his on my back. Not to mention, that if you crack someones skull ON THE STREETZ, you will likely be in even more trouble. People say stuff like "there are no rules on the streets", but they are - it is called law.
So I will go with MMA on that one.
I love the down to earth answer.
No ego.
my hapkido instructor from years ago was one of the best ballet dancers in the US at one point, no joke. Dude's footwork and kicks were force to reckoned with during sparring.
From A speech given in 1978 by Kyokushin Karate founder Mas Oyama:
I first heard this saying when I was in the USA. Ballet Dancers are good fighters. Oh I’m sorry, I’m only talking about fighting, but anyway, I hope it’s interesting for you. You know, Ballet dancers have a very nice walk and slim, strong bodies. In fighting they can fight very rhythmically. I had one ballet dancer friend who liked to fight. Once when I was out with this dancer, he started to fight against others, eventually I had to help him out, but at first when I was just watching, I was very impressed with his rhythmical movements, despite his funnily formed fist
And lets not forget the classic board with a nail in it. That'll get the job done!
When I started boxing I did a bunch of youtube dance tutorials to get at those muscles the boxing training wouldn't and add some grace because commentators of the time said Sugar Ray Robinson was the Fred Astaire of fighting and moved around his opponants like he was on ice skates. I can confirm ..dance is a weapon.
The Santa's fighting in da streetz really made my day 😆. I needed that.
Just want to say that I haven't watched your channel in a while and I noticed an upgrade in the production which is awesome. When I first started watching your channel I was in the beginning stages of getting clean (addiction) and your channel was a part of the process of helping me get on my feet... however, after about 4 years of being clean I slipped up again about 2 months ago and I'm at the beginning again (2 weeks clean)...
I guess I'm just saying this as a way to tell you how much I appreciate your content and that it's a big part of what's helped me, whether it's tips on training or your philosophy on life, etc. I've been obsessed with martial arts and boxing since I was about 12 and always find that fighters/trainers have the deepest insight on life. Combat sports are so relevant to how we live life, metaphorically. I mean, I listen to Teddy Atlas's corner speech to Timothy Bradley just to start my day "We're fireman. We control the flames!" Lol. Anyways.. thanks for taking the time to share your experiences with us, added with humor to make us laugh. It goes a long way for some of us.
So you are the wing chun master brian he mentioned?jk.
And yeah you are right he is a meditation.it feels meditative when we listen to him such a great guy.
Be strong friend.why don’t you try martial arts like bjj or boxing or any other shit.dedicate yourself to any shit.hooe it helps.Don't think anyone is happy.none are happy.
Thanks for sharing your story Brian!
My daughter did ballet and hip hop; her Northern Shaolin has really benefited from her dance training. She gained explosive strength, kinesthetic awareness, grace, balance, and endurance from her background. Furthermore, when she is sparing, she doesn't move like the other students. It gives her advantages because she's somewhat unpredictable.
Thus demonstrating what we have always known, that England is supreme in martial arts with our traditional Morris Men. A bunch of coordinated dancing friends armed with sticks, with bells on.
I don’t have friends and maybe that is why I started martial arts in the first place lmaooo
The great irony of the martial artist!
The Gracies were masters of street fights. They always brought 15+ friends with themself to keep the fight uninterrupted who could beat the life out everybody anyway. Probably that is the reason why they never lost a single challange fight. At the end of the day even if a Gracie had bad performance or the opponent was better, they always won by decision. The decision of 15 though guys.
Also they were rich as hell, so they had more platform spreading how good fighter they are than everybody who ever disagreed.
And they paralyzed rufino dos santos for winning a grappling match
Haha, this sounds about right. If you look at the flaws of BJJ in regards to self-defence, and how it fails against multiple opponents because the ground is the most dangerous place you can be (pretty much every traditional Martial Art designed around self-defence, including Boxing and Karate, all focused on remaining standing as being taken down and mobbed by multiple attackers was the most common form of banditry apparently, not much seems to have changed), it's clearly not designed with fighting in normal self-defence scenarios as we think of them (where multiple armed attackers were common). The way I see it was that BJJ was likely developed solely for challenge matches and duelling, if two families disagreed they would get together and have a fight, 1 on 1, with the others making sure nothing untoward happened, the best way to do this while also reducing risk of injury to yourself and also reducing the chance you kill or seriously injure the opponent unintentionally and start a blood feud was to focus on the ground game, taking elements of Judo and hyperfocusing on floor based submissions. This is the only thing that really makes sense to me, it is also logical concerning the fact that the Gracie's challenged other stylists to similar fights to show how superior their fighting style was, because they'd been doing the same thing for a long time.
The Gracie's are also great at telling stories, and the fact that people believe that BJJ was solely a result of the Gracie's is evidence of that! You can also tell this from the much lauded stories of the Gracie's street fighting despite their style being really quite dangerous to engage in such a fight, they likely had a huge group of friends and lackeys following them around as you say haha.
@@AveSicarius i wouldn't say it is useless
bjj is just a piece of the original judo, also known as kano jiu jitsu. Wich was modern judo + extra judo technic that are banned + bjj
The bjj moveset supposed to be worst case scenario not a gameplan. You should keep yourself on your feet with wresstling skills and get the fuck out of the ground with your ground fighting skills as fast as possible if you fall down.
Bjj basically is harm reduction after your takedown defense failed.
In Isshinryu Karate, we cross-trained in Jiujitsu, Kenpo, Shotokan, and Combat Judo anyway. Isshinryu is one of the first systematic "Mixed Martial Arts" systems, and we know from real street self defense situations that students who practice at least 3 times per week beat the tar out of 1 or even 2 attackers in real street self defense situations. We had a Blue Belt woman one time who seriously injured her two male heavyweight attackers in a gang-rape situation, it was one of the first stories of the style which was told to me way back when I was 12 years old.
Typical injuries an Isshinryu student inflicts on their attackers in a street fight include: broken arms, broken neck, broken nose, crushed trachea, broken/dislocated knee, internal organ damage especially to groin and bladder but also liver and kidneys or even heart. We know from real military engagements and real street self defense situations what happens to the attacker when an Isshinryu student defends themselves.
I absolutely love how all these years later, you still chant "fo' da streetzz!!" By Master Wong 😂
Your community is knoweldgeable. They got the polls right. A dancer with a stick with a couple of friends is a force to be reckon
Shadiversity somewhere waving his stick to this
I immediately thought the same thing and scrolled down to find this, lol.
Saying a dancer can beat a taekwondo practitioner in a street fight is as stupid as saying Tiger Woods can beat one in a street fight.
That is not what was said. Pay attention.
That is not what was said. Pay attention.
For street fights, I always have preferred the Monty Python strategy: run away, run away!
Taekwondo has easily the best athletic competition vs dancing... These are actually both going to get you in shape...
That being said... Weapons, tactics, strategy, and maneuvering capabilities come first... We don't arm troops with hands. We give them land navigation skills, communication skills and equipment, teamwork skills, vehicles, air support, artillery support, radio equipment, and firearms...
Soldiers need to be able to fight with their hands in case things go wrong... But when they go right they outflank their enemy until their enemy surrenders or they use a gun... (MMA and Parkour/Ninja warrior seem the most street relevant in places where you can't own a gun in my opinion.)
Modern dance athletes are often jacked because they have to lift one another and spin them around their heads! If you look at their bodies they are often muscled up and hawt.
Modern TKD dudes tend to be quite thin and light on their feet. There is quite a clear difference in body strength.
You also need ground fighting experience in case you go to the ground and BJJ is a good option
Ramsey ,here are some questions for you:I know your favourite boxer is Dempsey.If you were to choose a boxer from the 19th century as your favourite, which one will you choose?Is it Corbett,Jeffries,Fitzsimmons,Sullivan or Heenan?And a question about sparring:I know and I agree with you that hard sparring is bad for health.In the past I did a lot of hard sparring,and after some matches I felt a dizziness.But me and a lot of guys think that hard sparring is good for self confidence:in a way that if you do hard sparring a lot,you will not ever be afraid if someone throws a hard punch or kicks on the streets.If you do only light sparring you will surely have a lack of self confidence.So what is the solution:I do not want to spar hard anymore,but if I do only light sparring I do not want to lose my confidence in my abilities.Thank you for your answer.
Ramsay can i ask a question
what is your thoughts on Yaw Yan, Sikaran and Buno/Dumog Wrestling. those unarmed Filipino Martial Arts focus on Empty hand Fighting rather thanArnis Stickfighting arts.
Yaw yan is a Hybrid kickboxing style derives from arnis but has other martial arts. sikaran is resembled Taekwondo. focus on kicks. many other sikaran practitioners compete to taekwondo and mma. same goes to yaw yan. it resembles muay thai but in long-range. buno or dumog is a wrestling/grappling arts like judo or wrestling.
and another filipino art that i like to mention and that is Tapondo. this art kinda resembles Aikido but completely similar to it's japanese aikido counterpart.
just want to ask a question. that's it
if you are not too familiar with these Filipino martial arts styles. go research on that and give a shout out if you did.
Only fight I saw a trained fighter loose to a wooden stick was a group fight where they got hit from behind, on the back of the head.
This is great, I love your observation about dancers. However I don't think the question should be "which martial art". Martial arts should all fundamentally be the same thing philosophically. To a person with good fight IQ, someone that can handle themselves regardless of whether they train or study, all martial art systems have usable ideas. Its an individual differentiation, not a group differentiation. Every martial art system is going to have a McDojo, and every martial art system is going to provide good ideas to people who know how to cultivate and apply themselves. For an integrated person, the more systems you study, even at a distance or infrequently, the more prepared you are. If you do not know or connect with your self very well, then you must find a good school to help you, and hope to God the teachers know what they are doing. In this case its a school differentiation. The more comprehensive a specific school is with its understanding of its own martial art style, the better it will prepare you.
As it turns out, the greatest treasure was the friends we made along the way.
I'm guessing the real challenge is if you don't expect a fight, so you don''t bring friends or a stick, but your opponents do.
This was beautiful! ❤️
Dancing is so underrated when it comes to MA and fighting. It teaches you spatial awareness, rhythm, timing, flexibility, fitness, etc., but much like MA you shouldnt limit yourself to just one style. Gymnastics is another form of training that can be very beneficial, arguably more beneficial, for many of the same reasons, but you dont see many fighters with a dancing or gymnastics background or at least they dont talk about it if they do.
GSP made a big deal out of his gymnastics I think. I don't know if anyone took him seriously about it.
I did :-D
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They should have he was one of the top fighters in the world after all.
@@irishninja9857 I like GSP a lot but he has very weird beliefs and is a genetic freak.
Regards the latter he was absurdly athletic all the time, he should have been in a better paying sport. Being that gifted you could write off his gymnastics as, yeah that guy can do anything no matter what he thinks is effective. GSP was so athletic he could have made wing chun real.
And then there was the weird shit about aliens he would say every so often. People read that as CTE but he seems fine otherwise.
So to rule DA STREETS, I need to start a dance team named the Teddy Roosevelts. Got it.
And of course the smooth beat provided by The Coach. Bravo and thanx! *:)
It's actually the best 3 advises i heard on a effective martial arts street fight on the internet. Remember, if you get attacked in the street, it's likely you already lost... cause they are predators who attack only when it's instant win (they likely do a surprise attack, have weapons, outnumber you, in better shape aka not drunk or drugged)
As much as I agree I still would pick Bas Rutten to win against a couple of dancers with wooden sticks.
Also I would like to see the poll for what is the deadliest fighting technique for tha streeeetttzzz.
I’m a Bjj purple belt, but I dabble in bow staff works, and love it. I’m looking for a shillelagh, probably on the shorter end for edc. I also have a appreciation for nunchuck work as well
In my mind, most threats in general, would range from other people to birding building, traffic after an accident etc.. you would want to evade most of those issues and doing that you may trip over your own feet or other things. A dancer having probably some of the best mind body connection a person could have is far less likely to trip up.
So when you combine these three, what you have is warfare. But then it introduces the fourth dimension of tactics and strategies
Nah! Just bring Chuck Norris!
What if our real friends were the sticks we picked up along the way?
I'd think either your friends are kids or you're decreasing your chances of survival by getting a hernia or a broken back and walking around like Smithers on the Simpsons.
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This is a joke, no drama ;)
Van damme did ballet before doing shotokan karate, he even said it helped his kicks be faster and powerful. Guess it works, for some.
Medieval knights and reneissance duelists, soldiers all practiced dancing and some masters in the past considered dancing to be integral to be a good swordsman.
1. Muay thai
2. Boxing + Kickboxing
3. Gun style
Sifu used to say the best form of self defence is a sense of humour.
Something I get asked all the time as a HEMA practitioner is "but how will this help ON DA STREETZ?!" (or something to that effect)
My first response is usually, "If that's your main priority with a martial art, consider changing your lifestyle in other ways," but also if you can swing a sword, or thrust and bind and grapple with a spear (spears are mostly grappling in single combat), or grapple with a dagger... you're probably much better equipped to handle your average street thug than a guy who only knows empty hand techniques. Especially someone who only knows striking. Any and all of those techniques translate to "a big sturdy stick" you can pick up if the need arises.
Athleticism of course matters a ton too. I regularly roll with a friend who's 250 pounds 6'5". I'm 140 lbs 5'10". I've been doing martial arts, albeit mostly other than wrestling, a lot longer than him, and we're about 50/50 on taps/pins.
If you're taking a martial arts class for self defense PRIMARILY, there's probably other issues you're not looking at.
Well said.
Of all the weapons I’ve trained with in the past, I’d take my skrima sticks over anything.
Also, Tonfa ( which the cops use which they name their night stick).
My guess would be slap fighting, snowball warfare, and rubber band snap-fu
I voted for modern dance because I figured it wouldn't be worse than the other options in most cases. Many modern dancers are really fit after all.
I took several semesters of dance (modern and classical ballet ) in college. And that teacher stretched the holy living stuff out of me. I'm sure she increased my flexibility and my strength.
This topic will never die....
Can you do a video where you show how to defend against two armbars, a heel hook and a rear naked choke at the same time
Shout very loudly for help and hope someone hears!
@@RamseyDewey THANK YOU
Imagine how this video would have played out if everyone didn't choose the goofiest options available
As honest as it gets this one. Couldn't agree more.
Every time I go on my walks around the block I bring my cold steel walkabout walking stick. Its made of polypropelene. Cold steel has footage of these smashing cynder blocks. I also have been able to take it with me at my old church walmart and the mall. Its on the shorter side. Like a cane. Ive done a good bit of stick play in my life with multiple different sized sticks having different weights. I originally bought it when I had my ingrown toe nail and couldnt walk well.
Cold Steel makes some really well made stuff!
Ive bought a decent bit from them.
That's real wisdom
Third: Krav Maga
Second: DUST
First: Ameridote
I can't agree more with the modern dance part. Moshing for example doubles as a semi contact martial art.
“Have more friends than the other guy” gonna have to start accepting more of those Facebook friend requests to flex on dem foolz on da streetz!! 🕺🕺🕺
"Speak softly and carry a big stick"~Roosevelt
The answer depends on whether you separate how fit/strong/toned a person is from the martial art(s) they train. If you are in peak physical condition but have only a bit of training, you will EASILY outperform an unfit person who has lots of training. Strength, speed, and stamina are major factors in avoiding injury.
If you don't separate fitness from martial arts, the best fitness levels will be in the more dynamic/strenuous arts. It will depend on the instructor much more than the art itself -- how hard do they train their students? But some arts that almost always train slow/soft will fall behind here unless instruction also includes physical training (weightlifting, running, etc).
If you do separate them?
Aikido is the best to survive an encounter with multiple attackers. It emphasizes everything you need; how to down an attack that grabs at you, how to position against multiple attackers, how to take space in an environment that i occupied by an unfriendly body, how to stay standing or get back to your feet immediately if you fall, how to get the better of a grappling situation, and most importantly how to disable an attack in a single quickly executed technique so that they are out of the fight. Aikido's flaws come almost entirely in the way that it is usually taught these days -- as a gentle art, practiced slowly without resistance. The art itself is extremely effective when simply looking to defend yourself from anyone coming close enough to hurt you.
Boxing is kind of a contender too, but it has limitations. It is difficult to reliably KO someone with a single strike, and you can break your hand. It is difficult to strike when grabbed, and it is a less effective art when wearing clothes that can be easily grabbed (like a shirt or jacket). Boxing needs some room to move to be effective, and it is not very practical against multiple attackers. It does not have limb control techniques to deal with any weapons that might come out. Where boxing excels is mainly to stun attackers. A well thrown punch renders the target in front of you not able to do much as you move past them, in your effort to get away from the danger you are in. Boxing also has low risk attacks; you can throw an effective strike from a good range while keeping both feet under you, and you are trained to get back out of range before the target can fight back. That makes boxing a good art for trying to bay an attacker who has no weapon.
Tai Chi is kind of a contender. The stances and movements of Tai Chi are extremely defensive in nature, making you hard to grab or strike. A lot of the techniques mess with an attacker's reflexes, to handle opponents that may otherwise be faster/stronger/bigger than you without needing to be as physically fit as other arts require. Tai Chi's main limitation is how difficult it is to take the attacker's space away from them and get that attacker on the ground reliably, so it is inferior to Aikido in a lot of ways.
One of the worst arts "for the streets" is Muay Thai. You need one target to square up with you to throw any techniques, and there is no training for what happens if you are grabbed or taken to the ground. The one guy you land a blow on is going to have a really nasty bruise, but he's likely not out of the fight and you won't get to throw a second strike before getting mobbed. Muay Thai excels in too specific a situation -- unarmed combat, against a single attacker who just wants to stand and strike with you. So Muay Thai alone is bad for the streets. It could be excellent along with Aikido for the streets though, as a back-up plan for if/when an Aikido technique catastrophically fails. You try to down an attacker, mess up, and just elbow them in the face to knock them down instead (or sweep the leg; Muay Thai has some fantastic leg sweeps).
Other striking arts that look to use speed and land lots of smaller blows, or ones that require a lot of kicking, are the worst. Those will get you killed in a real fight, even if you are well trained. Those are 1v1 arts that are useless in a street fight. Street fights are never going to be 1v1, because violent people don't pick fights when they are alone.
As they say in kengan ashura, "out of all people to avoid a fight with, never fight a ballerina"
So you're telling me my thunder kicks aren't the best martial art in the streets.
This is great, now do the 3 most effective streets for martial arts.
A modern dancer with a study wooden stick vs the guy with a cooler of friends. Now that's a fight I'd pay to see
This kind of like replying ‘yes’ to the question ‘how are you?’
Check "Jogo do Pau" coreography, people. It may or may not be a good way to train stick fighting, but it both looks AWESOME and I you would not want to be even close to any of these sticks.
Parkour?
I think the best martial art is a fiery stick that shoots hot metal bolts
Hardwood walking sticks are easy to buy online.
Never give a sword to man who can’t dance - Confucius