The problem with the promises the A's are making is they made them for years in Oakland. "IF we could just build the stadium at Howard Terminal then we will actually sign and retain players"... We waited for years for this to become a reality. Oakland A's fans rooted for this team thru thick and thin and right as we were about to realize our goal the A's emerged out of the pandemic pursuing parallel paths with promises of waived relocation fees from MLB owners. Now they're off to Sac while the city hopes the team falls into their laps if (when) the Vegas deal falls apart. It's sickening what has transpired here in the East Bay.
The problem is the CITY never came up with the $700M they needed for "infrastructure" to make HT a reality. They got about 1/2 and have no plan other than pubic funding for the rest. What do you think the odds are that either the Oakland City Council or Oakland voters will vote for $350M in tax give aways for "John Fisher"? ZIP. That's what killed Howard Terminal and that's why the commissioner said Oakland had "no plan". He was right: They didn't.
I did not keep up as much, but at one point it seemed like Oakland could care less if they stayed (roughly 5 years ago) and from what I gathered is why they started shifting to relocate... I'm not really disputing what you said about the owner, but to me, sounds like Oakland really didn't try to keep them there.
My son is a young pitcher and we are involved in travel ball and all that entails. I taught him to throw at 80% to hit his spots and get the mechanics right and his mental approach. Like his dad he’s a lefty who has to be crafty and keep the ball down and hit his spots. My point is this phenomenon is always going to exist and I think it starts early on. My son doesn’t throw as hard as some but he doesn’t have to, the boys who throw hard and know it just throw they don’t pitch. All this isn’t new but I think it starts early and it’s a physical and mental thing that pitches encompasses. If you need TJ at 18 and been playing since you are 9 that’s a problem sorry for the rambling but I think people get it.
While i'm proud of you for keeping health a priority for your kid, I hope he's also only pitching "fastballs" and not any sort of breaking ball whatsoever. Outside of that, you're a good dad!
@@frenchfrey65 absolutely I kind of showed him a modified version of a sinker/curve/change-up thingy where he doesn’t have to snap off its just a modified two seam grip offset with emphasis on the middle finger on release and besides being a lefty we just have the natural break and movement. I know I’m a baseball dad and he’s my son but when he’s on he’s poised and to see the right hand batters panic swing because it’s going to be a strike and then swinging over it or soft ground ball makes me proud. I have stepped back and let him become himself and intervene when necessary mostly on the mental aspect, like my dad used to say pitching is 90% mental, to my young mind it sounded crazy to me but how right he was.
There is a roadmap with the A’s - Fisher owns the SJ Earthquakes and when San Jose “gifted” him a stadium, he did not change how he runs the team, increase the payroll as a percentage of the league, etc. Sacto, don’t believe the lies…
@@DamitFeelsGoodtobeaRaider There are lies you tell others. Sometimes I think the lies you tell yourself are the worst. That John Fisher will be motivated to sell when- if- he reaches Vegas? Seems like you’re telling yourself that one.
I think San Jose gifted the land, nothing else from what I understand. That facility is a cheapie. Then Fisher whines that it’s outmoded. That’s his fault in the first place.
@@PCSPounder no, really; this is a flip job. mark my words. this was always intended to be a flip job. fisher's a known giants fan; he just wants to flip the a's no matter how.
I think the triple-"A's" ramping up sounds good... except I expect they will use the fact that players won't want to come there as an excuse for why they didn't... Fisher has NEVER spent since he bought the team (the richest contract was signed nearly 20 years ago.... Baseball monies have exploded since then...). He also has been trying to move this team since day 1.... I think MLB just got sick and tired of the temper tantrum and realize that this is probably going to kill fisher...
Breaking pitches have increased dramatically in MLB since 2015. That's a significant contributor to injuries. So are the hard, slick balls they use, which causes pitchers to grip harder when they throw. And then we have every pitch put on a radar gun so pitchers throw with 100% effort on every pitch to light up the gun. Before radar guns were prevalent we didn't have this many arm injuries because pitchers threw for results as opposed to hitting a high number on the gun.
Ken, completely agree with you finally. LoL. That driveline statement is terrible. The sport isn't winning when players are getting hurt exponentially. Driveline can recalibrate and show pitchers how to throw with less velocity and still be effective. But they choose not to..
Like to see Salt Lake City Utah to have a Major League Baseball for the fastest growing state, even it is 10 years from now. They have the Utah Jazz for the NBA since 1979, and have proposed Utah Mounntineers for the NHL will start the 2024-25 season after moving from Phoenix Arizona.
So Greg, as I understand your latest thought, athletes (not students) will be employed by conferences, not universities? OK, there are literally hundreds of repercussions from that. The first would be that any employment contract would be between the player and the employer-conference. The athlete would be compensated by the employer-conference. I am guessing that there would need to be contracts between the employer-conference and the participating schools whereby the employees would be leased to the schools. Since the athlete-employees have no real connection with the schools other than the fact that they are owned by the conference and loaned to the school for a fee, there would be no real connection between the athletes and the schools' academic calendars, and no connection between the length of the employee contracts and such immaterial things as degrees. Therefore, if a conference wanted to grant an athlete a 10-year employment contract, and the agent of the employee negotiated for that contract, there would be no problem at all. You say, that this represents a big change. Greg, you are a grandmaster of understatement.
1) Urias has not played well in two years. He should not be on the roster. 2) If I am a struggling pitcher in AAA, am I willing to follow a path that gets me to the majors and earning a big league paycheck, even if it lands me on the the IL still collecting that paycheck, rather than topping out at AAA and never making that check, I'm willing to take that injury risk every single time.
Jackson Holliday's promotion has nothing to do with Westburg. Westburg is now effectively the starting third baseman, and he's hitting very well. Holliday is, for now, the starting second baseman over Urias and Mateo. Westburg may not play second base again for a long, long time.
I guess if the NFL and the NHL can go over big in Las Vegas, baseball can, as well. This ball park issue, on the other hand, is confusing. I’m wondering how much money they are planning on putting into the Sacramento ball park to bring it up to speed. It looks like other ballpark solutions would be available. Why wouldn’t they consider using their spring training facility in Arizona?
The owners likely LIKE another owner trying to hold up a city for a stadium, then, not getting it, leave. Might make it easier if they want t0 hold up THEIR city. "Oh, they will never leave XXX" "Yeah? They said that in Oakland...."
It wasn’t a coincidence that Kansas City rrjrctef the tax extension that would have paid for the Royals new stadium and renovation of Arrowhead Stadium. Taxpayers are finally taking note of what is happening to Oakland and A’s fans and are saying “Hell No” to subsidizing wealthy owners and the public is realizing the threat of relocation is a hollow threat, as relocation is not easy and it is costly. Even with Nevada pitching in a $385M public subsidy and MLB waiving the telication fer and unanimously approving relocation, the Begad stadium is stuck and going nowhere fast because Fisher still had to come up with $1.1B+ to cover his share of the proposed stadium’s construction costs. There hasn’t been any announcement about obtaining that financing and even if Fisher gets $1.1B+ in financing, the annual debt service on that amount of debt will amount to over $100M anuslly, which is almost twice as much his team’s current payroll. So, even with a public subsidy, relocating to Vegas will require Fisher to leverage up in debt in an amount of the team’s current value. Anybody who believes that Fisher will increase team payroll to $170M while taking on debt that will add $100M in annual financing costs to the team’s finances is smoking dope. Relocation only is viable if a new city is dumb enough to gift a new stadium to the team and those days are over. In California, the Dodgers, Giants, Lakers & Kings (twice - The Forum & Staples Center), Warriors, Clippers, Rams and 2 MLS teams built their stadiums without a cent of public miney involved. In fact, the Rams & Clippers owners spent $5B & $2B, respectively, to build their new stadiums without asking the public to foot any of those costs. The threat of relocation is being thrown around so much that it is not being perceived as a real threat anymore.
Glavine didn't throw hard. Jamie Moyer and Tommy John had long careers throwing soft. I think it was Doug Jones who had a few good years as a closer throwing at a below average speed. Mariano Rivera came up throwing hard, but learned the cutter. It was basically all he threw and at a slower speed because was able to move it around.
Pitching is like real estate. Location, location, location. Major League hitters can hit 105 mph fastballs a long way if the pitch is over the middle of the plate. I watched as Mark McGwire hit a 102 mph Billy Wagoner pitch into the upper deck at Busch 2. Phil Neikro won 300+ games and never threw higher the 80 mph.
9:10 Oh, the Player's Union wants to make absurd claims that the pitch clock causes injuries, but they're going to reduce the size of pitching staffs (jobs) to combat it? Right.
That's a great idea about reducing the amount of pitchers to force them to reduce velocity and be more crafty. If you can't go 7 or 9 we'll find someone who can used to be the standard. Now the back of pitchers baseball cards are a shit show.
Commissioner Manfred man should know A's owner and know how to deal with this situation with other owner's consent. Yeah, right. "Blinded by the Light" Manfred man has always been. Useless for fans.
Sutter health park is gonna be packed! Remember when the republic played at sac city and it sold out in one day! That was 20,000 seats So the As are gonna be sold out for awhile. I know ill be there
@@stefanbrown5872 i didn’t go to oakland because oakland is a shit show lol i watched most of the games though. And i know its not full time lol im just gonna enjoy it while its here.
Players have a choice ? You can play football knowing what long term damage it can do to your body, correct ? They made a choice. You want to maximize your velocity ? You have a choice. Never want to see anyone get hurt but this is a choice. DO you want to be Joe Blanton ? or Stephen Strasburg ? Choice
I cant believe that mlb and players dont understand how to avoid injuries and why theyre on the rise. Is for one thing and very simple. They do not train for withstanding more throws they only train for increasing velocity. Tell me which pitcher in the offseason goes all the way to 100-150 pitch bullpens? Nobody absolutely nobody. The only way to be prepared to throw 100 throws in the game is that in the offseason you slowly progress all the way to 100-150 throws. You might call me crazy to encourage offseason bullpens of 100-150 throws but its even crazier to think that 30 pitch bullpens will prepare you to throw 100 in the game. That is foolish nonsense. The arm doesnt know how many throws is doing it only knows stress. If youve only throwing 30 pitch bullpens and then increase it all of the sudden to 100 youre increasing more than double of what your body can handle. Now if you slowly progress in the offseason to 150 throws your body and arm are going to get use to that stress. But pitchers from today dont give their body the opportunity to get use to the stress. They think that fancy exercises or better mechanics will do it. Or they think that there is something else that will do the magic. It doesnt exist. The only thing you can do to prepare your body to throw 100 pitches in the game and remain healthy is that you slowly progress to those numbers of throws in the offseason. Period nothing else will do the job but that. Sometimes you only need logic and common sense to solve a problem. Its ironic that sometimes common sense is the least sense the human uses.
@@Dee_Rod That is exactly the point. If Fisher treats Sacramento and Vegas the dame as he treated Oakland, then those blaming Oakland for the A’s relocation will appreciate what Oakland and A’s fans have had to put up with in dealing with Fisher’s sh*t show all these years.
It looks bad either way, it would crush me if he spent money when in SAC or LV. Why the heck he spent 0 in Oakland to spit on fans here? So sad all around. Do billionaires think they have no Karma?
The reason is so obvious why this is happening, Vegas has a lot of money and a lot of tourism. Is fisher a terrible own yes, but if you playing the run. A new ball park in Vegas will make the team 2 billion dollars franchise like it did for the raiders. Majority of casino will buy loungers and suite and not mention it a lot easier to sell Vegas to visiting fans and host world baseball classic, college baseball world series and all star weekend. The factor are saying it terrible is laughable. As this business league. Plus fisher is changing the name when he goes to Vegas which will sell more merchandise. Vegas knows it will money well spent.
I lived in Baltimore for a year, and I remember Cal Ripkin Jr. dancing on top of the dugout, leading O chants. On a separate note: Depending on who the A's would be playing, I will drive down to see them play in Sacramento.
There’s not going to be a top 10 payroll. And if they actually end up in Vegas, they’ll overstate their contribution to the ballpark and either cheap that out or find a way to shift costs to Nevada. Fisher moved to Vegas with the following in mind: (1) collect small market revenue from other owners, (2) continue to field cheap teams, and (3) market to away fans coming to Vegas instead of locals. I think (besides the institutional silence of baseball owners in general) the reason the other owners tolerate him is it gives them more wins. Not that anyone thinks that’s good long-term strategy.
Fisher and his haphazard 'relocation' from Oakland has been completely bewildering at every turn. The way this has dragged out over years has been so painful. When you hear how little money the city of Oakland and Fisher were negotiating with to create the Howard Terminal ballpark it makes you want to rip your hair out. Something around 90million dollars to secure the future in Oakland for decades. Vegas doesnt even really want the A's, A's fans boycott outside their own stadium, Fisher releases fake AI renderings of a ballpark, lies about it being a retractable dome, raised ticket prices without increasing payroll, and told everyone how cool it'll be to see Judge crack homers against his own team. As a casual A's fan following this clown show it has been nothing short of exhausting and embarrassing. Everyone deserves better than this guy, Oakland, Vegas, and fans of any organized sport anywhere in the world. Sell. Please god. Sell
Actually, he won't, and here's why. Along with the vote to allow the A's to move to Vegas, the other owners added a special clause in the agreement, which says that if he sells the team within certain amount of time, there will be a HEAVY tax that he will be hit with. Fisher isn't that smart, but he isn't that dumb either.
Hybrid DH rules. Once the starter is out, so is the DH. Pitchers will then have a premium for going deep into games. That's how to attach in game value to not getting hurt
Holiday has to be the most overrated prospects in sports history watch him not perform lol minor league numbers don’t always transfer to major league ask vladdy jr about that 😂😂
Evidently, Baltimore management feels he is overrated as well, otherwise they would hold Holiday in the minors until he can't make a full year in the majors so they get another year before he is a free agent. If they think he is going to be a superstar, then you hold him in the minors for another two weeks.
Oakland very recently had three legendary teams. Three. All gone, in a very short period of time. It’s not as if one of the teams up and split. Or even two. All three. Why is that? That seems to be the most important question to ask. But nobody asks it. Well, outside of me.
Another reason this is fn DISGUSTING and shouldn’t be allowed to happen Tank the franchise purposely and now as soon as we can leave we will build a championship team? wtf??? 🤬 🤬💔💔🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 🤮
Two things occurred in Sacramento, CA which were announced a day apart about a week ago. CaLPERS announced that a choice downtown property they had held for decades with over $50 million invested over that time was being sold to the Miwok Indian tribe of Shingle Springs for $17 million. The tribe has gambling and resort businesses in the state and stated they had acquired an ancestral property. The following day it was announced the A's were moving to Sacramento for the 2025 season with plans for a 3-5 year stay. Vivek Ranadive, the owner of the Sacramento Kings, has ties to the A's owner, John Fisher and owns the Giants Triple A affiliate Sacramento River Cats club. We'll see what happens in a couple of years, but don't be surprised if the the A's end up in Sacramento for much longer than their planned temporary stop. Huge downtown real estate deals coupled with major league relocation don't just happen. Thanks for the segment.
A one block parcel is only big enough for a hotel and some condos so I’m not sure what you’re getting at? First Nations people can’t just open a casino / hotel in the central city. There was a casino hotel proposed by a tribe in West Sacramento back in the 90s that the West Sacramento City Council rejected.
Well, it looks good, I’ve been there for a game once. It will sell out a lot. In Oakland, they had 5000 fans on Easter and the river cats in Sacramento had 5500 on Easter. I don’t expect fisher to sit in Oakland the next three years and pay $240,000 in rent for EACH game for that.
@@johncummings2087 If he had spent money to fix the stadium and keep good players for the last twenty years, then fans would be coming in droves. He didn't invest, disrespected the fan base, and you see the results. They could have kept their cheap rent there, and could even have built a new stadium on the same sight. They aren't leaving because fans didn't come. Fans didn't come because ownership didn't care about his team and properly invest.
Sounds like you've never been to an a's game. There is no crime in the coliseum complex. It is like an isolated island. There is crime in the community around the stadium, but if you take bart or park in the lot, it is very safe. I've gone to games there for 25 years, and my experience is that it is very safe and family friendly. Ownership has let the condition of the stadium go to shit, but it isn't a dangerous, crime ridden environment. There is no connection to the community around it.
@@DMalltheway Just watched A's (5-8) beat the World Champion Rangers 1-0 while only giving up just one hit. Watched their rookie closer come in the 9th throwing the baseball between 102- 104 MPH.Taking 2 of 3 from Rangers and 4 of 6 on the road. Not made for a bunch of young kids having fun,,,Just heard Sacramento is getting thousands of calls for A's tickets,,,I will gladly pay for season tickets in las Vegas,,,
How much are the A's paying to lease in Sacramento? They only pay 1 million to Oakland now and in the past. The A's overpaying so players can play there.. now the A's fans know how Mets fans feel. LoL 😆
The problem with the promises the A's are making is they made them for years in Oakland. "IF we could just build the stadium at Howard Terminal then we will actually sign and retain players"... We waited for years for this to become a reality. Oakland A's fans rooted for this team thru thick and thin and right as we were about to realize our goal the A's emerged out of the pandemic pursuing parallel paths with promises of waived relocation fees from MLB owners. Now they're off to Sac while the city hopes the team falls into their laps if (when) the Vegas deal falls apart. It's sickening what has transpired here in the East Bay.
The problem is the CITY never came up with the $700M they needed for "infrastructure" to make HT a reality. They got about 1/2 and have no plan other than pubic funding for the rest. What do you think the odds are that either the Oakland City Council or Oakland voters will vote for $350M in tax give aways for "John Fisher"? ZIP. That's what killed Howard Terminal and that's why the commissioner said Oakland had "no plan". He was right: They didn't.
Thank you for speaking up
@@MrSpeedracer510 💯 I have to. I can't just stand by silent while they lie to the media and take our team.
I did not keep up as much, but at one point it seemed like Oakland could care less if they stayed (roughly 5 years ago) and from what I gathered is why they started shifting to relocate... I'm not really disputing what you said about the owner, but to me, sounds like Oakland really didn't try to keep them there.
@@flipmode916 Do the research on the money raised from grants. They have it all on their website.
My son is a young pitcher and we are involved in travel ball and all that entails.
I taught him to throw at 80% to hit his spots and get the mechanics right and his mental approach.
Like his dad he’s a lefty who has to be crafty and keep the ball down and hit his spots.
My point is this phenomenon is always going to exist and I think it starts early on. My son doesn’t throw as hard as some but he doesn’t have to, the boys who throw hard and know it just throw they don’t pitch.
All this isn’t new but I think it starts early and it’s a physical and mental thing that pitches encompasses.
If you need TJ at 18 and been playing since you are 9 that’s a problem sorry for the rambling but I think people get it.
Change is coming. Glad to hear you’re ahead of that
While i'm proud of you for keeping health a priority for your kid, I hope he's also only pitching "fastballs" and not any sort of breaking ball whatsoever. Outside of that, you're a good dad!
@@frenchfrey65 absolutely I kind of showed him a modified version of a sinker/curve/change-up thingy where he doesn’t have to snap off its just a modified two seam grip offset with emphasis on the middle finger on release and besides being a lefty we just have the natural break and movement.
I know I’m a baseball dad and he’s my son but when he’s on he’s poised and to see the right hand batters panic swing because it’s going to be a strike and then swinging over it or soft ground ball makes me proud.
I have stepped back and let him become himself and intervene when necessary mostly on the mental aspect, like my dad used to say pitching is 90% mental, to my young mind it sounded crazy to me but how right he was.
Don’t believe anything Fisher and Kaval say!
Thank you for speaking up
Nor should you
this story needs to get more coverage. Fisher is not a real baseball owner. I can't believe we have to deal with this shit
Fisher, Nutting and Monfort are the worst owners in all of sports. Stanton is right up there, too.
We had Peter Angelos, that was difficult as well..
Nah. Not “Fisher is not a real baseball owner.” /
He makes Rachel Phelps look good.
There is a roadmap with the A’s - Fisher owns the SJ Earthquakes and when San Jose “gifted” him a stadium, he did not change how he runs the team, increase the payroll as a percentage of the league, etc. Sacto, don’t believe the lies…
he will at least ramp up in vegas so that fisher can sell.
@@DamitFeelsGoodtobeaRaider There are lies you tell others. Sometimes I think the lies you tell yourself are the worst.
That John Fisher will be motivated to sell when- if- he reaches Vegas? Seems like you’re telling yourself that one.
@@DamitFeelsGoodtobeaRaider lmao no
I think San Jose gifted the land, nothing else from what I understand. That facility is a cheapie.
Then Fisher whines that it’s outmoded. That’s his fault in the first place.
@@PCSPounder no, really; this is a flip job. mark my words. this was always intended to be a flip job. fisher's a known giants fan; he just wants to flip the a's no matter how.
I think the triple-"A's" ramping up sounds good... except I expect they will use the fact that players won't want to come there as an excuse for why they didn't... Fisher has NEVER spent since he bought the team (the richest contract was signed nearly 20 years ago.... Baseball monies have exploded since then...). He also has been trying to move this team since day 1.... I think MLB just got sick and tired of the temper tantrum and realize that this is probably going to kill fisher...
Breaking pitches have increased dramatically in MLB since 2015. That's a significant contributor to injuries. So are the hard, slick balls they use, which causes pitchers to grip harder when they throw. And then we have every pitch put on a radar gun so pitchers throw with 100% effort on every pitch to light up the gun. Before radar guns were prevalent we didn't have this many arm injuries because pitchers threw for results as opposed to hitting a high number on the gun.
Love the energy, Ken.
Ken, completely agree with you finally. LoL.
That driveline statement is terrible. The sport isn't winning when players are getting hurt exponentially.
Driveline can recalibrate and show pitchers how to throw with less velocity and still be effective. But they choose not to..
Like to see Salt Lake City Utah to have a Major League Baseball for the fastest growing state, even it is 10 years from now. They have the Utah Jazz for the NBA since 1979, and have proposed Utah Mounntineers for the NHL will start the 2024-25 season after moving from Phoenix Arizona.
Philly misses you A's. It's time to come home.
The Pirates started out last year 20-8 and then went 56-78.
The key words here are “last year.” What does that have to do with this year?
If they haven't already, I would like to hear their thoughts on the Esteury Ruiz situation
One of the greatest baseball podcast in existence was canceled recently. Pour one out for the Battery Power podcast today.
I wonder if emphasis on velo started around the same time analytics started to become popular?
I have a great idea. Let’s penalize the pitchers one ball whenever they throw 100 mph or more! That should sure fix things
Greg, thanks for the information on the latest Holy Smokes Theatre.
So Greg, as I understand your latest thought, athletes (not students) will be employed by conferences, not universities? OK, there are literally hundreds of repercussions from that. The first would be that any employment contract would be between the player and the employer-conference. The athlete would be compensated by the employer-conference. I am guessing that there would need to be contracts between the employer-conference and the participating schools whereby the employees would be leased to the schools. Since the athlete-employees have no real connection with the schools other than the fact that they are owned by the conference and loaned to the school for a fee, there would be no real connection between the athletes and the schools' academic calendars, and no connection between the length of the employee contracts and such immaterial things as degrees. Therefore, if a conference wanted to grant an athlete a 10-year employment contract, and the agent of the employee negotiated for that contract, there would be no problem at all.
You say, that this represents a big change. Greg, you are a grandmaster of understatement.
1) Urias has not played well in two years. He should not be on the roster.
2) If I am a struggling pitcher in AAA, am I willing to follow a path that gets me to the majors and earning a big league paycheck, even if it lands me on the the IL still collecting that paycheck, rather than topping out at AAA and never making that check, I'm willing to take that injury risk every single time.
Jackson Holliday's promotion has nothing to do with Westburg. Westburg is now effectively the starting third baseman, and he's hitting very well. Holliday is, for now, the starting second baseman over Urias and Mateo. Westburg may not play second base again for a long, long time.
The A's are the biggest threat to destroying the MLB we have ever seen.
A’s staying in Sac. Vegas gets expansion team. Fisher sells A’s to Vivek Ranadive and Arctos Sports. This will all happen within 3 years time.
How about allowing pitchers to have more tack on the ball? MLB could even pre-tack the balls
Hitters get it.
Another positive for Sacramento is that it is NOT Oakland. West Sacramento isn't the greatest location for sure, but it beats the hell out of Oakland.
Absolutely!!! Much cleaner, no worries of breathing fentanyl, getting robbed. Nobody wants to be in Oakland, InNOut left too.
I guess if the NFL and the NHL can go over big in Las Vegas, baseball can, as well. This ball park issue, on the other hand, is confusing. I’m wondering how much money they are planning on putting into the Sacramento ball park to bring it up to speed. It looks like other ballpark solutions would be available. Why wouldn’t they consider using their spring training facility in Arizona?
Ripken Sr wore 47 also for quite a long time before 7
The owners likely LIKE another owner trying to hold up a city for a stadium, then, not getting it, leave. Might make it easier if they want t0 hold up THEIR city. "Oh, they will never leave XXX" "Yeah? They said that in Oakland...."
It wasn’t a coincidence that Kansas City rrjrctef the tax extension that would have paid for the Royals new stadium and renovation of Arrowhead Stadium. Taxpayers are finally taking note of what is happening to Oakland and A’s fans and are saying “Hell No” to subsidizing wealthy owners and the public is realizing the threat of relocation is a hollow threat, as relocation is not easy and it is costly. Even with Nevada pitching in a $385M public subsidy and MLB waiving the telication fer and unanimously approving relocation, the Begad stadium is stuck and going nowhere fast because Fisher still had to come up with $1.1B+ to cover his share of the proposed stadium’s construction costs. There hasn’t been any announcement about obtaining that financing and even if Fisher gets $1.1B+ in financing, the annual debt service on that amount of debt will amount to over $100M anuslly, which is almost twice as much his team’s current payroll. So, even with a public subsidy, relocating to Vegas will require Fisher to leverage up in debt in an amount of the team’s current value. Anybody who believes that Fisher will increase team payroll to $170M while taking on debt that will add $100M in annual financing costs to the team’s finances is smoking dope. Relocation only is viable if a new city is dumb enough to gift a new stadium to the team and those days are over. In California, the Dodgers, Giants, Lakers & Kings (twice - The Forum & Staples Center), Warriors, Clippers, Rams and 2 MLS teams built their stadiums without a cent of public miney involved. In fact, the Rams & Clippers owners spent $5B & $2B, respectively, to build their new stadiums without asking the public to foot any of those costs. The threat of relocation is being thrown around so much that it is not being perceived as a real threat anymore.
greg maddux had an outstanding career locating his pitches....it's possible.
Glavine didn't throw hard. Jamie Moyer and Tommy John had long careers throwing soft. I think it was Doug Jones who had a few good years as a closer throwing at a below average speed. Mariano Rivera came up throwing hard, but learned the cutter. It was basically all he threw and at a slower speed because was able to move it around.
Pitching is like real estate. Location, location, location. Major League hitters can hit 105 mph fastballs a long way if the pitch is over the middle of the plate. I watched as Mark McGwire hit a 102 mph Billy Wagoner pitch into the upper deck at Busch 2. Phil Neikro won 300+ games and never threw higher the 80 mph.
@@DFC-d1d Rob Dibble was the hardest throwing reliever when he came up, but he was hittable when his ball had no movement.
Tread athletics constantly cheering pitchers to give more and more effort and to hit a higher velo each pitch without regard for location
20% strikes
O's farm system is cray
lol players must be overpaid to play in Oakland right now too. What’s the point? This has been true for everyone not NY or LA
9:10 Oh, the Player's Union wants to make absurd claims that the pitch clock causes injuries, but they're going to reduce the size of pitching staffs (jobs) to combat it? Right.
If RPs have to go longer they’ll be less effective and then be removed for not being good and not finishing the inning
That's a great idea about reducing the amount of pitchers to force them to reduce velocity and be more crafty. If you can't go 7 or 9 we'll find someone who can used to be the standard. Now the back of pitchers baseball cards are a shit show.
Easy... teach to pitch control and location, less on funky ball movement.
Fischer just needs to sell the A's and remove the black eye on the MLB
Move the A's to Charlotte temporarily until their Vegas stadium is finished.
There’s no reason to have 4 remote feeds….
Didnt even realize Las Vegas was only 40th in media market. Kind of funny, Sac is 20th by comparison lol
Commissioner Manfred man should know A's owner and know how to deal with this situation with other owner's consent. Yeah, right. "Blinded by the Light" Manfred man has always been. Useless for fans.
Season ticket sales in Sacramento are selling very well for next year....looking forward to the athletics here in Sacramento
Sutter health park is gonna be packed! Remember when the republic played at sac city and it sold out in one day! That was 20,000 seats So the As are gonna be sold out for awhile. I know ill be there
@@XorgeGyou won’t be there after 100 loss season. Y’all didn’t show in Oakland.
Sac fans crack me up. Your city isn’t getting a full time team.
@@stefanbrown5872 i didn’t go to oakland because oakland is a shit show lol i watched most of the games though. And i know its not full time lol im just gonna enjoy it while its here.
@@XorgeG Why would they, if it's the same crappy team?
@@xjr.0 yea but its new lol its Major league. I guess we shall see. Not like its permanent
Smaller pitching staff.
Throw longer into games.
Great, pitchers with ERAs of over 5.
Delusional.
Players have a choice ? You can play football knowing what long term damage it can do to your body, correct ? They made a choice. You want to maximize your velocity ? You have a choice. Never want to see anyone get hurt but this is a choice. DO you want to be Joe Blanton ? or Stephen Strasburg ? Choice
Westburg slander will not stand.
I cant believe that mlb and players dont understand how to avoid injuries and why theyre on the rise. Is for one thing and very simple. They do not train for withstanding more throws they only train for increasing velocity. Tell me which pitcher in the offseason goes all the way to 100-150 pitch bullpens? Nobody absolutely nobody. The only way to be prepared to throw 100 throws in the game is that in the offseason you slowly progress all the way to 100-150 throws. You might call me crazy to encourage offseason bullpens of 100-150 throws but its even crazier to think that 30 pitch bullpens will prepare you to throw 100 in the game. That is foolish nonsense. The arm doesnt know how many throws is doing it only knows stress. If youve only throwing 30 pitch bullpens and then increase it all of the sudden to 100 youre increasing more than double of what your body can handle. Now if you slowly progress in the offseason to 150 throws your body and arm are going to get use to that stress. But pitchers from today dont give their body the opportunity to get use to the stress. They think that fancy exercises or better mechanics will do it. Or they think that there is something else that will do the magic. It doesnt exist. The only thing you can do to prepare your body to throw 100 pitches in the game and remain healthy is that you slowly progress to those numbers of throws in the offseason. Period nothing else will do the job but that. Sometimes you only need logic and common sense to solve a problem. Its ironic that sometimes common sense is the least sense the human uses.
All I ask is for Fisher to treat Sacramento and Las Vegas the same as he did with Oakland
That's not a great ask. Look at how he's treated Oakland. LoL.
@@Dee_Rod That is exactly the point. If Fisher treats Sacramento and Vegas the dame as he treated Oakland, then those blaming Oakland for the A’s relocation will appreciate what Oakland and A’s fans have had to put up with in dealing with Fisher’s sh*t show all these years.
It looks bad either way, it would crush me if he spent money when in SAC or LV. Why the heck he spent 0 in Oakland to spit on fans here? So sad all around. Do billionaires think they have no Karma?
@@elisemariecollinsyoga5905He’s going to spit on his fans and employees no matter where he goes.
The reason is so obvious why this is happening, Vegas has a lot of money and a lot of tourism. Is fisher a terrible own yes, but if you playing the run. A new ball park in Vegas will make the team 2 billion dollars franchise like it did for the raiders. Majority of casino will buy loungers and suite and not mention it a lot easier to sell Vegas to visiting fans and host world baseball classic, college baseball world series and all star weekend. The factor are saying it terrible is laughable. As this business league. Plus fisher is changing the name when he goes to Vegas which will sell more merchandise. Vegas knows it will money well spent.
I lived in Baltimore for a year, and I remember Cal Ripkin Jr. dancing on top of the dugout, leading O chants. On a separate note: Depending on who the A's would be playing, I will drive down to see them play in Sacramento.
been a As fan for 35 years this sounds like a load of shit
Fisher needs to sell the team to Lacob.
They should work something out with sharing the Aviators ball park. They are affiliated with the A's. Beautiful park.
Gonna be cool when he leaves because Baltimore won't pay him 😂 don't break him Baltimore. Other franchises might need him in a few years.
How are they going to have a top 10 payroll when all their money is spent fixing stadiums
There’s not going to be a top 10 payroll. And if they actually end up in Vegas, they’ll overstate their contribution to the ballpark and either cheap that out or find a way to shift costs to Nevada.
Fisher moved to Vegas with the following in mind: (1) collect small market revenue from other owners, (2) continue to field cheap teams, and (3) market to away fans coming to Vegas instead of locals. I think (besides the institutional silence of baseball owners in general) the reason the other owners tolerate him is it gives them more wins. Not that anyone thinks that’s good long-term strategy.
So how would Rosenthal stop pitchers from throwing hard and with more spin? He can rant, but he has no solution either, so get the high horse.
If you listened he had solutions. Pay attention maybe
Fisher and his haphazard 'relocation' from Oakland has been completely bewildering at every turn. The way this has dragged out over years has been so painful. When you hear how little money the city of Oakland and Fisher were negotiating with to create the Howard Terminal ballpark it makes you want to rip your hair out. Something around 90million dollars to secure the future in Oakland for decades.
Vegas doesnt even really want the A's, A's fans boycott outside their own stadium, Fisher releases fake AI renderings of a ballpark, lies about it being a retractable dome, raised ticket prices without increasing payroll, and told everyone how cool it'll be to see Judge crack homers against his own team.
As a casual A's fan following this clown show it has been nothing short of exhausting and embarrassing. Everyone deserves better than this guy, Oakland, Vegas, and fans of any organized sport anywhere in the world.
Sell. Please god. Sell
Throw 90-92 and your ERA is 5.00
That’s 100% accurate. Pitching is about hitting spots and changing eye levels. It is not about throwing 100 MPH.
Why call him jr, jr
Fisher will sell the team when they move to las Vegas
He won’t sell the team at all, he will refuse and keep the payroll down like he’s doing with the SJ Quakes. Get over yourself.
@@DMalltheway whatever I know more than u do
@@brandondavenport6147 You don’t know anything except ramble for a corporate lackey.
Actually, he won't, and here's why.
Along with the vote to allow the A's to move to Vegas, the other owners added a special clause in the agreement, which says that if he sells the team within certain amount of time, there will be a HEAVY tax that he will be hit with.
Fisher isn't that smart, but he isn't that dumb either.
Who cares , it’s a loss
And he’s 1 for his last 9 at bats every squirrel finds a nut once in awhile.
Not worth 20 mil a year
Hybrid DH rules. Once the starter is out, so is the DH. Pitchers will then have a premium for going deep into games. That's how to attach in game value to not getting hurt
Holiday has to be the most overrated prospects in sports history watch him not perform lol minor league numbers don’t always transfer to major league ask vladdy jr about that 😂😂
Any other terrible takes?
Your life sucks bro. I feel bad for you
Your life sucks bro.
Evidently, Baltimore management feels he is overrated as well, otherwise they would hold Holiday in the minors until he can't make a full year in the majors so they get another year before he is a free agent. If they think he is going to be a superstar, then you hold him in the minors for another two weeks.
@@BobThompson-y9pOr they just have respect for their players and call them up when they’re ready without thinking about player control BS.
Careful you don’t step in the bullshit
Oakland very recently had three legendary teams. Three. All gone, in a very short period of time. It’s not as if one of the teams up and split. Or even two. All three. Why is that? That seems to be the most important question to ask. But nobody asks it. Well, outside of me.
They are all different, and not comparable, situations.
Another reason this is fn DISGUSTING and shouldn’t be allowed to happen
Tank the franchise purposely and now as soon as we can leave we will build a championship team? wtf??? 🤬 🤬💔💔🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 🤮
I don’t blame the franchise, Oakland sucks ass
Two things occurred in Sacramento, CA which were announced a day apart about a week ago. CaLPERS announced that a choice downtown property they had held for decades with over $50 million invested over that time was being sold to the Miwok Indian tribe of Shingle Springs for $17 million. The tribe has gambling and resort businesses in the state and stated they had acquired an ancestral property. The following day it was announced the A's were moving to Sacramento for the 2025 season with plans for a 3-5 year stay. Vivek Ranadive, the owner of the Sacramento Kings, has ties to the A's owner, John Fisher and owns the Giants Triple A affiliate Sacramento River Cats club. We'll see what happens in a couple of years, but don't be surprised if the the A's end up in Sacramento for much longer than their planned temporary stop. Huge downtown real estate deals coupled with major league relocation don't just happen. Thanks for the segment.
A one block parcel is only big enough for a hotel and some condos so I’m not sure what you’re getting at? First Nations people can’t just open a casino / hotel in the central city. There was a casino hotel proposed by a tribe in West Sacramento back in the 90s that the West Sacramento City Council rejected.
Honestly if you were a sought after player how much money would it take to get you to the Sacramento As?
They either go to the Dodgers or Yankees anyway. Not like Oakland was going to sign Ohtani lol
All it would take is more than anyone else is offering. Which is what you can say for nearly every free agent signing.
AJ, why do you need to be so condescending, calling Ken, Junior? You aren't funny. It just makes you look bad.
I cannot count on my figures and toes how many times Ken Rosenthal has been WRONG about the A's leaving Oakland.
The Sacramento ballpark is much better than the coliseum.
Well, it looks good, I’ve been there for a game once. It will sell out a lot. In Oakland, they had 5000 fans on Easter and the river cats in Sacramento had 5500 on Easter.
I don’t expect fisher to sit in Oakland the next three years and pay $240,000 in rent for EACH game for that.
@@johncummings2087 If he had spent money to fix the stadium and keep good players for the last twenty years, then fans would be coming in droves. He didn't invest, disrespected the fan base, and you see the results. They could have kept their cheap rent there, and could even have built a new stadium on the same sight. They aren't leaving because fans didn't come. Fans didn't come because ownership didn't care about his team and properly invest.
minor league park > oakland colliseum. clean, family friendly, don't have to worry about getting mugged
Oakland Coliseum home of 6 major “world” championships won, historic landmark. Sorry if you got mugged.
@@filibertoperez6356 sure, then why've they been asking for a new ballpark?
Sounds like you've never been to an a's game. There is no crime in the coliseum complex. It is like an isolated island. There is crime in the community around the stadium, but if you take bart or park in the lot, it is very safe. I've gone to games there for 25 years, and my experience is that it is very safe and family friendly. Ownership has let the condition of the stadium go to shit, but it isn't a dangerous, crime ridden environment. There is no connection to the community around it.
Vegas Baby !!
Ken you'll be begging for free tickets from A's managment for the A's opener in 2028
Paid for by you, while the owner will still refuse to spend money and laugh at you while keeping a league low payroll.
@@DMalltheway Just watched A's (5-8) beat the World Champion Rangers 1-0 while only giving up just one hit. Watched their rookie closer come in the 9th throwing the baseball between 102- 104 MPH.Taking 2 of 3 from Rangers and 4 of 6 on the road. Not made for a bunch of young kids having fun,,,Just heard Sacramento is getting thousands of calls for A's tickets,,,I will gladly pay for season tickets in las Vegas,,,
How much are the A's paying to lease in Sacramento? They only pay 1 million to Oakland now and in the past.
The A's overpaying so players can play there.. now the A's fans know how Mets fans feel. LoL 😆
They're paying nothing
Please get rid of the coming up in the beginning of the video. It’s terrible